From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 25 18:15:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAA637B401 for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 18:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from community10.interfree.it (community10.interfree.it [213.158.72.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D29E43F75 for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 18:15:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: (qmail 16856 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 01:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO linux) (80.104.111.252) by mail.interfree.it with SMTP; 26 May 2003 01:15:22 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: ".VWV." To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:16:08 -0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200305260316.08916.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> Subject: kernels' weight X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 01:15:25 -0000 Hi to all. I would like to post a question. We know Linux is the son of the microkernel Minix. Linux kernel is simple= and=20 light, but its compilation is complicate, owing to the need of a lot of=20 modules, and to the difference between several distributions. It is much=20 easier to compile a FreeBSD kernel, even if it needs some megabyte more. = If=20 we can compress the kernel following the instruction on the Dossier books= ,=20 who cares of its original weight? Once I know how to compile the FreeBSD kernel and how to write the file=20 'fstab', I can quite dominate my operating system - moreover, the=20 partitioning system is much more advanced -. I'm running FreeBSD as the main administration of a pair of workstations.= I=20 have no needs as for networks. Please forgive me if I'm writing from a de= ad=20 Linux installation, I have no time to learn the network commands on FreeB= SD,=20 whilst building my complicate hardwares... I have never liked the chaotic and competitive world of 'penguins', I'm p= roud=20 of learning the only unix with FreeBSD. Live Berkeley or die VITTORI From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 26 04:31:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057A437B401 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 04:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from razor.kraksystem.pl (razor.kraksystem.pl [217.97.202.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3746443F85 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 04:31:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ftyczka@ftyczka.org) Received: from h1-11.krak ([192.168.1.11] helo=192.168.1.11) by razor.kraksystem.pl with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19KGD4-0002bq-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:32:10 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:32:04 +0200 From: ftyczka X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62q) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1378432161.20030526133204@ftyczka.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: different approach in FreeBSD advocacy X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ftyczka List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:31:45 -0000 Hello, Has anybody thought that maybe due to the recent Linux lawsuit by SCO, it would be possible to take advantage of this situation, and promote FreeBSD, as the one system that doesn't risk getting into any legal problems? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 26 04:34:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F15337B401 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 04:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1E443F85 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 04:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB48E3D28; Mon, 26 May 2003 07:34:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: ftyczka Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 07:34:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3ED1C379.12979.A3BF2E1A@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1378432161.20030526133204@ftyczka.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: different approach in FreeBSD advocacy X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:34:19 -0000 On 26 May 2003 at 13:32, ftyczka wrote: > Has anybody thought that maybe due to the recent Linux lawsuit by SCO, > it would be possible to take advantage of this situation, and promote > FreeBSD, as the one system that doesn't risk getting into any legal > problems? This was recently and extensively discussed, either on freebsd- advocacy@freebsd.org or freebsd-chat. Please read that. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 26 06:17:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B1037B401 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 06:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (pc1-cdif2-5-cust38.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.150.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6539243FD7 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 06:17:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.20) id 19KHr0-000L20-7a for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 May 2003 14:17:30 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:17:30 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030526131730.GB80541@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies Subject: Retail Boxed Products in the Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:17:33 -0000 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Please cast your eye over to Appendix A of the Handbook, and the section titled "Retail Boxed Products". I'll wait. You'll see that we have Frys and CompUSA listed as retailers of boxed sets. Well CompUSA have told us that they don't stock these anymore; does anybody know if Frys still do, or is anyone in a position to call one and enquire? I'm thinking of removing this section altogether, and it's been suggested to me that I enlist your folks help in trying to whip up a list of retailers w= ho really do stock FreeBSD boxed sets, to try and save the section. If there's no interest in doing this, then that's fine too. I propose to remove the section on June 15th, so you have until then. Thanks, Ceri --=20 User: DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR? Iniaes: Sure, I can accept all forms of payment. -- www.chatterboxchallenge.com --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+0hPqocfcwTS3JF8RAj+DAJwNpoviLZlGXqNGzWuQQcqay4m2NACfWrwl odyWj3wt4IdXWLNlQgJPC9c= =VASf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 26 07:28:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5748237B404; Mon, 26 May 2003 07:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [65.60.36.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF6243FA3; Mon, 26 May 2003 07:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rab@ns1.freebsdmall.com) Received: from mall.freebsdmall.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B3E1CE70; Mon, 26 May 2003 07:29:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Ceri Davies In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 26 May 2003 14:17:30 BST." <20030526131730.GB80541@submonkey.net> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 07:29:31 -0700 From: Robert Bruce Message-Id: <20030526142931.04B3E1CE70@mail.freebsdmall.com> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: rab@freebsdmall.com Subject: Re: Retail Boxed Products in the Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:28:40 -0000 Ceri Davies said... >You'll see that we have Frys and CompUSA listed as retailers of boxed sets. >Well CompUSA have told us that they don't stock these anymore; Hi Ceri, An employee of CompUSA said that, but he was (partly) mistaken. CompUSA has pulled the current FreeBSD box product from their shelves, but they intend to stock the next edition. By the time the 3rd Ed. Handbook is printed, they should have it back on the shelf. >does anybody >know if Frys still do, or is anyone in a position to call one and enquire? There is a Fry's about four blocks from me (in Sunnyvale CA), and everytime I go there I check so see if they have FreeBSD on the shelf. They do a pretty bad job of managing their inventory, so it can be on the shelf for a month or so, then they sell out and another month goes by before they display it again. But they do carry the product. Another store that carries the FreeBSD box product is MicroCenter. They do a much better job than Fry's of keeping it on the shelf. But I don't know how widespread MicroCenter stores are. They have them in the Midwest, and there are a couple here in California, but I don't know where else. -bob From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 26 08:13:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B3A37B401 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 08:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E8443F3F for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 08:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (wapg01.centtech.com [204.177.173.226]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h4QFDW56060757 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 10:13:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3ED22F6D.5080804@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:14:53 -0500 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20030526131730.GB80541@submonkey.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Retail Boxed Products in the Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:13:36 -0000 Ceri Davies wrote: >All, > >Please cast your eye over to Appendix A of the Handbook, and the section >titled "Retail Boxed Products". I'll wait. >You'll see that we have Frys and CompUSA listed as retailers of boxed sets. >Well CompUSA have told us that they don't stock these anymore; does anybody >know if Frys still do, or is anyone in a position to call one and enquire? > >I'm thinking of removing this section altogether, and it's been suggested to >me that I enlist your folks help in trying to whip up a list of retailers who >really do stock FreeBSD boxed sets, to try and save the section. > >If there's no interest in doing this, then that's fine too. >I propose to remove the section on June 15th, so you have until then. > I'll check some local stores today/tomorrow and let you know what I find - I'll try to hit a Fry's, CompUSA, and BestBuy. Another place opening up soon near me is an "Ultimate Electronics" - if they don't carry it (whenever they open), we should maybe make a few phone calls and see if we can get it stocked. Eric From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 26 10:20:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99E437B401; Mon, 26 May 2003 10:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A774743F3F; Mon, 26 May 2003 10:20:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h4QHKn6k009021; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:20:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:09:23 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <20030526130923.4842e33e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030526131730.GB80541@submonkey.net> References: <20030526131730.GB80541@submonkey.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Retail Boxed Products in the Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:20:52 -0000 On Mon, 26 May 2003 14:17:30 +0100 Ceri Davies wrote: > > All, > > Please cast your eye over to Appendix A of the Handbook, and the section > titled "Retail Boxed Products". I'll wait. > You'll see that we have Frys and CompUSA listed as retailers of boxed sets. > Well CompUSA have told us that they don't stock these anymore; does anybody > know if Frys still do, or is anyone in a position to call one and enquire? I live near a Staples, Best Buy, Office Max, Walmart and Target. (Yes, Cranberry PA is a large shopping town). Walmart USED to keep a RedHat and Mandrake Linux boxed set, don't think they do anymore. I'll make a quick stop in sometime to see if any of these stores have the FreeBSD boxed set. > > I'm thinking of removing this section altogether, and it's been suggested to > me that I enlist your folks help in trying to whip up a list of retailers who > really do stock FreeBSD boxed sets, to try and save the section. A nice page, sorted by country/state/sovereignty linked to the front page might be nice. Or perhaps an article... > > If there's no interest in doing this, then that's fine too. > I propose to remove the section on June 15th, so you have until then. > I have an interest. Please, continue. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 26 14:12:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E5037B401; Mon, 26 May 2003 14:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8016D43FA3; Mon, 26 May 2003 14:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (otter3.centtech.com [10.177.173.12]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id h4QLC856076629; Mon, 26 May 2003 16:12:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from 207.200.3.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user anderson) by otter.centtech.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2003 16:12:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <41290.207.200.3.5.1053983528.squirrel@otter.centtech.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:12:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Eric Anderson" To: In-Reply-To: <20030526131730.GB80541@submonkey.net> References: <20030526131730.GB80541@submonkey.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.10 [cvs]) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Retail Boxed Products in the Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:12:10 -0000 Ceri Davies said: > > All, > > Please cast your eye over to Appendix A of the Handbook, and the section > titled "Retail Boxed Products". I'll wait. > You'll see that we have Frys and CompUSA listed as retailers of boxed > sets. Well CompUSA have told us that they don't stock these anymore; > does anybody know if Frys still do, or is anyone in a position to call > one and enquire? > > I'm thinking of removing this section altogether, and it's been > suggested to me that I enlist your folks help in trying to whip up a > list of retailers who really do stock FreeBSD boxed sets, to try and > save the section. Here's my report: BestBuy: nope - not even a section for it (only linux) CompUSA: nope - no section either Fry's - Yes! - They had the handbook, FreeBSD Power Pak, FreeBSD 4.6, and FreeBSD 5.0. I'll try to check CostCo sometime this week. Eric ------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Anderson anderson@centtech.com Centaur Technology You have my continuous partial attention ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 30 15:35:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EEB37B404 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 66C9143F85 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:35:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 2746 invoked by uid 65534); 30 May 2003 22:35:29 -0000 Received: from p508BF7FD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO oak.pohoyda.family) (80.139.247.253) by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 31 May 2003 00:35:29 +0200 Received: from oak.pohoyda.family (oak.pohoyda.family [127.0.0.1]) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4UMZRk8012951; Sat, 31 May 2003 00:35:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from apog@oak.pohoyda.family) Received: (from apog@localhost) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4UMZQ4U012856; Sat, 31 May 2003 00:35:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 00:35:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200305302235.h4UMZQ4U012856@oak.pohoyda.family> From: Alexander Pohoyda To: anholt@FreeBSD.org, jmz@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Advocacy opportunity in XFree86/xdm/xlogin X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:35:32 -0000 Hello XFree86 maintainers, I have found a suitable Beastie picture on FreeBSD.org site, and edited it a bit, to make it fit xlogin application. xlogin is used by xdm, as you well know. By default, XFree86 globe picture is displayed, and I thought that it would be a good advocacy to display our own logo there. You can see it here: http://www.alexander-pohoyda.privat.t-online.de/etc/badge.png and XPM file for the X: http://www.alexander-pohoyda.privat.t-online.de/etc/badge.xpm File to patch is xdm/config/Xres.cpp (before imake) or xdm/Xresources (after). Resource xlogin*logoFileName. I can create a PR, if needed. Thanks for your consideration! -- Alexander Pohoyda From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 30 15:39:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B2337B401 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847D743FCB for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F303F4E; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Alexander Pohoyda Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:39:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3ED7A56A.14510.BABA2BA5@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200305302235.h4UMZQ4U012856@oak.pohoyda.family> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity in XFree86/xdm/xlogin X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:39:40 -0000 On 31 May 2003 at 0:35, Alexander Pohoyda wrote: > By default, XFree86 globe picture is displayed, and I thought that it > would be a good advocacy to display our own logo there. Well done. I think it's a great idea. It's similar to the Netsaint port which has BSD rather than the original Linux graphics. The PNG looks a little ragged around the edges. Is that because it's blown-up? -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 13:02:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A74D37B401; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7978343F75; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from dialin202.cc.univie.ac.at (dialin202.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.202.202]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h4VK1uvH199526; Sat, 31 May 2003 22:01:58 +0200 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:01:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: Alexander Pohoyda In-Reply-To: <200305302235.h4UMZQ4U012856@oak.pohoyda.family> Message-ID: <20030531215958.U591@korben.in.tern> References: <200305302235.h4UMZQ4U012856@oak.pohoyda.family> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: unet 4243; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 cc: anholt@freebsd.org cc: jmz@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity in XFree86/xdm/xlogin X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:02:07 -0000 On Sat, 31 May 2003, Alexander Pohoyda wrote: > I have found a suitable Beastie picture on FreeBSD.org site, and > edited it a bit, to make it fit xlogin application. > xlogin is used by xdm, as you well know. > By default, XFree86 globe picture is displayed, and I thought that it > would be a good advocacy to display our own logo there. > > You can see it here: > http://www.alexander-pohoyda.privat.t-online.de/etc/badge.png > and XPM file for the X: > http://www.alexander-pohoyda.privat.t-online.de/etc/badge.xpm /usr/ports/x11/wdm already comes with a beastie image as default pic (I guess it's taken from the daemon in /usr/share/examples/BSD_daemon/.) regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 14:17:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E4637B401 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4CF743F3F for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:17:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 13313 invoked by uid 65534); 31 May 2003 21:17:55 -0000 Received: from p508BF267.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO oak.pohoyda.family) (80.139.242.103) by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 31 May 2003 23:17:55 +0200 Received: from oak.pohoyda.family (oak.pohoyda.family [127.0.0.1]) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4VLHrJX000263; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:17:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from apog@oak.pohoyda.family) Received: (from apog@localhost) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4VLHoU9000260; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:17:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:17:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200305312117.h4VLHoU9000260@oak.pohoyda.family> From: Alexander Pohoyda To: Lukas Ertl In-reply-to: <20030531215958.U591@korben.in.tern> (message from Lukas Ertl on Sat, 31 May 2003 22:01:54 +0200 (CEST)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <200305302235.h4UMZQ4U012856@oak.pohoyda.family> <20030531215958.U591@korben.in.tern> cc: mckusick@mckusick.com cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity in XFree86/xdm/xlogin X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:17:58 -0000 > From: Lukas Ertl > On Sat, 31 May 2003, Alexander Pohoyda wrote: > > I have found a suitable Beastie picture on FreeBSD.org site, and > > edited it a bit, to make it fit xlogin application. > > xlogin is used by xdm, as you well know. > > By default, XFree86 globe picture is displayed, and I thought that it > > would be a good advocacy to display our own logo there. > > > > You can see it here: > > http://www.alexander-pohoyda.privat.t-online.de/etc/badge.png > > and XPM file for the X: > > http://www.alexander-pohoyda.privat.t-online.de/etc/badge.xpm > > /usr/ports/x11/wdm already comes with a beastie image as default pic (I > guess it's taken from the daemon in /usr/share/examples/BSD_daemon/.) Well, but wdm is not installed by default, and I have never heard of it before. I would consider it a failed advocacy effort :-) I have just installed that port on 4.8-STABLE, and got an ugly Penguin face on my screen!! Thanks, but even XFree86 globe is better for me. After that I had a look at the Beastie pixmap provided by the wdm port. Well.... I fully admit that the one I proposed before is far from perfection, but it looks much better anyway. And, BTW, I deinstalled wdm port. That's not something I want to have on my machine. I hope that Marshall Kirk McKusick will give us the permission to use the picture in this case. Please compare: http://www.alexander-pohoyda.privat.t-online.de/etc/beastie.xpm and http://www.alexander-pohoyda.privat.t-online.de/etc/badge.xpm Let's promote the BSD style wherever that is possible! -- Alexander Pohoyda P.S. Still not response from maintainers. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 14:20:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B0737B401 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E4FE43F93 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:20:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 23074 invoked by uid 65534); 31 May 2003 21:20:37 -0000 Received: from p508BF267.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO oak.pohoyda.family) (80.139.242.103) by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 31 May 2003 23:20:37 +0200 Received: from oak.pohoyda.family (oak.pohoyda.family [127.0.0.1]) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4VLKaJX000288; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:20:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from apog@oak.pohoyda.family) Received: (from apog@localhost) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4VLKZ2b000285; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:20:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:20:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200305312120.h4VLKZ2b000285@oak.pohoyda.family> From: Alexander Pohoyda To: "Dan Langille" In-reply-to: <3ED7A56A.14510.BABA2BA5@localhost> (dan@langille.org) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3ED7A56A.14510.BABA2BA5@localhost> cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity in XFree86/xdm/xlogin X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:20:40 -0000 > From: "Dan Langille" > On 31 May 2003 at 0:35, Alexander Pohoyda wrote: > > By default, XFree86 globe picture is displayed, and I thought that it > > would be a good advocacy to display our own logo there. > > The PNG looks a little ragged around the edges. Is that because it's > blown-up? That's all I can do with The GIMP and my notebook stick-mouse. I suppose that XPM cannot have transparent colors. I'm not sure about this, however. -- Alexander Pohoyda From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 14:52:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D7337B401 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ac-net.at (secure.ac-net.at [212.24.125.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74B643F3F for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:52:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shammer@daemon.li) Received: from localhost (server.ac-net.at [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ac-net.at (AC-net Mailserver v1.3a) with ESMTP id 829143F94 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:51:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from daemon.li (dsl-238-92.utaonline.at [212.152.238.92]) by mail.ac-net.at (AC-net Mailserver v1.3a) with SMTP id 7DC013F4D for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 21:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 36461 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 21:54:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO daemon.li) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 May 2003 21:54:08 -0000 Received: (from shammer@localhost) by daemon.li (8.12.6/8.12.7/Submit) id h4VLs7Ta036459; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:54:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from shammer) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:54:06 +0200 From: Josef El-Rayes To: Alexander Pohoyda Message-ID: <20030531215406.GA36432@daemon.li> References: <200305302235.h4UMZQ4U012856@oak.pohoyda.family> <20030531215958.U591@korben.in.tern> <200305312117.h4VLHoU9000260@oak.pohoyda.family> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200305312117.h4VLHoU9000260@oak.pohoyda.family> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Reply-Path: j.el-rayes@daemon.li X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 with AC-networks extensions cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity in XFree86/xdm/xlogin X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.el-rayes@daemon.li List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:52:15 -0000 On 0, Alexander Pohoyda wrote: > > /usr/ports/x11/wdm already comes with a beastie image as default pic (I > > guess it's taken from the daemon in /usr/share/examples/BSD_daemon/.) > > Well, but wdm is not installed by default, and I have never heard of > it before. I would consider it a failed advocacy effort :-) > > Let's promote the BSD style wherever that is possible! i am patching wmdrawers default pinguin icon with a daemon image on port installation. you might reuse this icon. klaus goger made this nice daemon image/icon i put online [1] greets, josef [1] http://www.daemon.li/downloads/daemon.png -- www: http://www.daemon.li nic-hdl: JER1080312-NICAT FreeBSD PortMaintainer "Make World - Not War!" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 14:57:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676D037B401 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A8FA43F75 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:57:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 31159 invoked by uid 65534); 31 May 2003 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from p508BF267.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO oak.pohoyda.family) (80.139.242.103) by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 31 May 2003 23:57:43 +0200 Received: from oak.pohoyda.family (oak.pohoyda.family [127.0.0.1]) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4VLvgJX001731; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:57:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from apog@oak.pohoyda.family) Received: (from apog@localhost) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4VLvf6A001728; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:57:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:57:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200305312157.h4VLvf6A001728@oak.pohoyda.family> From: Alexander Pohoyda To: j.el-rayes@daemon.li In-reply-to: <20030531215406.GA36432@daemon.li> (message from Josef El-Rayes on Sat, 31 May 2003 23:54:06 +0200) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <200305302235.h4UMZQ4U012856@oak.pohoyda.family> <20030531215958.U591@korben.in.tern> <200305312117.h4VLHoU9000260@oak.pohoyda.family> <20030531215406.GA36432@daemon.li> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity in XFree86/xdm/xlogin X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:57:46 -0000 > From: Josef El-Rayes > On 0, Alexander Pohoyda wrote: > > > /usr/ports/x11/wdm already comes with a beastie image as default pic (I > > > guess it's taken from the daemon in /usr/share/examples/BSD_daemon/.) > > > > Well, but wdm is not installed by default, and I have never heard of > > it before. I would consider it a failed advocacy effort :-) > > > > Let's promote the BSD style wherever that is possible! > > i am patching wmdrawers default pinguin icon with a daemon image on port > installation. you might reuse this icon. > > klaus goger made this nice daemon image/icon i put online [1] > > greets, josef > > [1] http://www.daemon.li/downloads/daemon.png Cool! This one is even better than mine, but please apply a vertical mirror before reusing it in XDM. Beastie should face the user (login and password). MHO. -- Alexander Pohoyda From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 15:57:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8FA37B401 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 15:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mailbox.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B8D43F85 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 15:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from dialin202.cc.univie.ac.at (dialin202.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.202.202]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h4VMuuvH057192; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:57:02 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:56:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: Alexander Pohoyda In-Reply-To: <200305312117.h4VLHoU9000260@oak.pohoyda.family> Message-ID: <20030601004527.W8988@korben.in.tern> References: <200305302235.h4UMZQ4U012856@oak.pohoyda.family> <200305312117.h4VLHoU9000260@oak.pohoyda.family> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: mx1 4261; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity in XFree86/xdm/xlogin X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:57:11 -0000 On Sat, 31 May 2003, Alexander Pohoyda wrote: > Well, but wdm is not installed by default, and I have never heard of > it before. I would consider it a failed advocacy effort :-) xdm is not installed by default either - you have to install the XFree package to get it. (But that's nitpicking, ok...) wdm is the Wings Display Manager, and is sort of the xdm replacement if you want to have something that fits WindowMaker. It's light and easy. Why would it be a failed advocacy effort? > I have just installed that port on 4.8-STABLE, and got an ugly Penguin > face on my screen!! Thanks, but even XFree86 globe is better for me. I'm not sure which port you installed, but on my box there's no "Penguin face". > After that I had a look at the Beastie pixmap provided by the wdm > port. > Well.... I fully admit that the one I proposed before is far from > perfection, but it looks much better anyway. I didn't mean to put your artwork down. I just wanted to point out that there's already something like what you proposed. > And, BTW, I deinstalled wdm port. That's not something I want to have > on my machine. Why that? It doesn't bite. regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/