From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 22 11:02:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EBC16A4BF for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F307743FB1 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8MI1bFY010144 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8MI1bGs010126 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309221801.h8MI1bGs010126@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:02:01 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. 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From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 23 01:23:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B4916A4B3 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.65535.net (thor.65535.net [216.17.104.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E951A44003 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rghf@fsck.me.uk) Received: from jvds.demon.co.uk ([212.228.151.253] helo=bitch.localdomain) by thor.65535.net with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A1iRD-000JGC-TG for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:22:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:28 +0100 (BST) From: Rus Foster X-X-Sender: rghf@bitch.localdomain To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: List Owner X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:24:00 -0000 Hi, Could the list owner contact me off list as there is something I would like to post but it might be verging on spamming so I would like to check.. Thanks Rus From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 23 23:10:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E58A16A4B3 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsdgirl.com (daemonporn.com [66.36.228.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956814400B for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sektie@freebsdgirl.com) Received: from freebsdgirl.com (nat-66-223-56.interland.net [66.223.56.202] (may be forged)) by freebsdgirl.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8O6AlMl044529; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:10:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sektie@freebsdgirl.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:10:09 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: Mike Hoskins From: Randi Harper In-Reply-To: <20030918152944.I59860@fubar.adept.org> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a desktop OS was Re: Sorry X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:10:32 -0000 On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 06:35 PM, Mike Hoskins wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Johnson David wrote: >>> So if we combine X with FreeBSD we've got a desktop OS :) >> I'm using FreeBSD + XFree86 + KDE as my primary desktop at work and at >> home. But no one believes me. Even when they see me calmly working at >> my desk they don't believe me. > > let me guess -- they have pointy hair too. ;) > > seriously... for anyone that's doubtful (surely no one here), FreeBSD > makes a great desktop OS. more apps and utils are available every day, > emulation helps a lot, and there are more window managers in the ports > collection than you can shake a stick at! > Anyone that says FreeBSD doesn't make a good desktop doesn't know what they are talking about, in my opinion. It may take a little more work than redhat, but that's life. When I got my very first laptop, I wanted to install FreeBSD on it, and a very annoying person told me "That'll never happen, FreeBSD developers aren't concerned about laptop support. FreeBSD is for servers." How he knows what the developers are 'concerned about', I'm still not certain. FreeBSD worked fabulously on my laptop. neener neener. Randi Harper sektie@freebsdgirl.com http://freebsdgirl.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 09:30:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A8716A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10106.mail.yahoo.com (web10106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99B9343FB1 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from twigles@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030924163027.60899.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.5.49.41] by web10106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:30:27 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: twig les To: Randi Harper , Mike Hoskins In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a desktop OS was Re: Sorry X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:30:28 -0000 Neener neener? Hahaha. I think the point is that RH is shooting to be a desktop for ppl who can't recompile a kernel, will never know how to recompile a kernel and don't ever want to know what a kernel is. The key is abstraction...*heavy* abstraction. I point again to Mac. To get FreeBSD on my laptop I had to recompile the kernel for my NIC, and it took me awhile to figure out that when I enabled sound (another kernel rebuild) I had to tell it in the kernel to use a specific IRQ bc it booted my NIC out of its IRQ. This isn't whining, aside from some frustration I enjoyed learning the OS better, but my dad will *never* do that. Neither will my wife, sister, the lady in HR, the CFO, etc. To be honest I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from my own line of reasoning. I don't like the idea of core FBSD members working on making a GUI for everything under the sun, but without a team doing constant and professional coding I don't see what chance we have of surplanting M$ and stopping my mailbox from filling up with virii. --- Randi Harper wrote: > > On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 06:35 PM, Mike Hoskins > wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Johnson David wrote: > >>> So if we combine X with FreeBSD we've got a desktop OS :) > >> I'm using FreeBSD + XFree86 + KDE as my primary desktop at > work and at > >> home. But no one believes me. Even when they see me calmly > working at > >> my desk they don't believe me. > > > > let me guess -- they have pointy hair too. ;) > > > > seriously... for anyone that's doubtful (surely no one > here), FreeBSD > > makes a great desktop OS. more apps and utils are available > every day, > > emulation helps a lot, and there are more window managers in > the ports > > collection than you can shake a stick at! > > > Anyone that says FreeBSD doesn't make a good desktop doesn't > know what > they are talking about, in my opinion. It may take a little > more work > than redhat, but that's life. When I got my very first laptop, > I wanted > to install FreeBSD on it, and a very annoying person told me > "That'll > never happen, FreeBSD developers aren't concerned about laptop > support. > FreeBSD is for servers." How he knows what the developers are > > 'concerned about', I'm still not certain. FreeBSD worked > fabulously on > my laptop. > > neener neener. > > > Randi Harper > > sektie@freebsdgirl.com > http://freebsdgirl.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ===== ----------------------------------------------------------- Get a taste of Religion ... eat a priest! ----------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 09:51:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFD716A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl (pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl [217.97.36.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6302343FE0 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:51:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michal@pasternak.w.lub.pl) Received: (qmail 15155 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Sep 2003 18:48:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:48:48 +0000 From: Michal Pasternak To: twig les Message-ID: <20030924184848.GA15056@pasternak.w.lub.pl> References: <20030924163027.60899.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030924163027.60899.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a desktop OS was Re: Sorry X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Michal Pasternak List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:51:59 -0000 twig les [Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 09:30:27AM -0700]: > Neener neener? Hahaha. I think the point is that RH is > shooting to be a desktop for ppl who can't recompile a kernel, > will never know how to recompile a kernel and don't ever want to > know what a kernel is. Well, have you seen FreeBSD 5.x ? > To get FreeBSD on my laptop I had to recompile the kernel for my > NIC, and it took me awhile to figure out that when I enabled > sound (another kernel rebuild) I had to tell it in the kernel to > use a specific IRQ bc it booted my NIC out of its IRQ. Oh my my. That's sooo leet attitude. On my laptop I just loaded some modules, that came with Debian's 2.4.21 kernel package. Pity you had to wait for recompilation. > isn't whining, aside from some frustration I enjoyed learning > the OS better, but my dad will *never* do that. Why do you think, that editing some configuration file and typing "make" is "learning the OS better"? > To be honest I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from my own > line of reasoning. I see. -- Michal Pasternak :: http://pasternak.w.lub.pl Noise to meet you. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 09:54:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE2616A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10106.mail.yahoo.com (web10106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 380D64400D for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from twigles@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030924165411.65083.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.5.49.41] by web10106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:54:11 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: twig les To: Michal Pasternak In-Reply-To: <20030924184848.GA15056@pasternak.w.lub.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a desktop OS was Re: Sorry X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:54:12 -0000 Wow man, I thought this was a discussion (aka exchange of views and ideas). You have some serious little-man complex going on. I'm done with this thread now thnx. --- Michal Pasternak wrote: > twig les [Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 09:30:27AM -0700]: > > Neener neener? Hahaha. I think the point is that RH is > > shooting to be a desktop for ppl who can't recompile a > kernel, > > will never know how to recompile a kernel and don't ever > want to > > know what a kernel is. > > Well, have you seen FreeBSD 5.x ? > > > To get FreeBSD on my laptop I had to recompile the kernel > for my > > NIC, and it took me awhile to figure out that when I enabled > > sound (another kernel rebuild) I had to tell it in the > kernel to > > use a specific IRQ bc it booted my NIC out of its IRQ. > > Oh my my. That's sooo leet attitude. On my laptop I just > loaded some > modules, that came with Debian's 2.4.21 kernel package. Pity > you had to wait > for recompilation. > > > isn't whining, aside from some frustration I enjoyed > learning > > the OS better, but my dad will *never* do that. > > Why do you think, that editing some configuration file and > typing "make" is > "learning the OS better"? > > > To be honest I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from my > own > > line of reasoning. > > I see. > > -- > Michal Pasternak :: http://pasternak.w.lub.pl > Noise to meet you. ===== ----------------------------------------------------------- Get a taste of Religion ... eat a priest! ----------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 10:16:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B1E16A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao06.cox.net (lakemtao06.cox.net [68.1.17.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117C543FCB for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com) Received: from fortytwo ([68.109.49.234]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20030924171638.UHND4662.lakemtao06.cox.net@fortytwo>; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:16:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:15:24 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: "Mike King" Message-Id: <20030924121524.0fb1e819.kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com> In-Reply-To: <0F3177E4824EC94698BAA43AF73D1BC7C765@hercules.ocsny.com> References: <0F3177E4824EC94698BAA43AF73D1BC7C765@hercules.ocsny.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:16:48 -0000 So how has that gone? On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:00:20 -0400 "Mike King" wrote: > Installed and seem to have it configured, but I get desktop-freebsd unknoqwn > user...so I am thinking that the conf isn't quite right yet. will keep at it > thru the weekend and see if we can have a fully functioning mailman by > Monday... From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 14:47:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF24416A4FC for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao08.cox.net (lakemtao08.cox.net [68.1.17.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB7F43F75 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com) Received: from fortytwo ([68.109.49.234]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20030924214716.YUBC16616.lakemtao08.cox.net@fortytwo>; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:47:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:46:11 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: twig les Message-Id: <20030924164611.479dfefa.kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com> In-Reply-To: <20030924163027.60899.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030924163027.60899.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Randi Harper Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a desktop OS was Re: Sorry X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:47:22 -0000 On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:30:27 -0700 (PDT) twig les wrote: > Neener neener? Hahaha. I think the point is that RH is > shooting to be a desktop for ppl who can't recompile a kernel, > will never know how to recompile a kernel and don't ever want to > know what a kernel is. The key is abstraction...*heavy* > abstraction. I point again to Mac. > > To get FreeBSD on my laptop I had to recompile the kernel for my > NIC, and it took me awhile to figure out that when I enabled > sound (another kernel rebuild) I had to tell it in the kernel to > use a specific IRQ bc it booted my NIC out of its IRQ. This > isn't whining, aside from some frustration I enjoyed learning > the OS better, but my dad will *never* do that. Neither will my > wife, sister, the lady in HR, the CFO, etc. > > To be honest I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from my own > line of reasoning. I don't like the idea of core FBSD members > working on making a GUI for everything under the sun, but > without a team doing constant and professional coding I don't > see what chance we have of surplanting M$ and stopping my > mailbox from filling up with virii. Having the option for it could be good. But it should be made sure that it is clear what is happening at the command line level or whatever. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 14:49:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F237C16A535 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao08.cox.net (lakemtao08.cox.net [68.1.17.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4BC44025 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com) Received: from fortytwo ([68.109.49.234]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20030924214936.YUXM16616.lakemtao08.cox.net@fortytwo>; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:49:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:48:29 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: twig les Message-Id: <20030924164829.7f7c6bdd.kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com> In-Reply-To: <20030924163027.60899.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030924163027.60899.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Randi Harper Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a desktop OS was Re: Sorry X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:49:41 -0000 On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:30:27 -0700 (PDT) twig les wrote: > Neener neener? Hahaha. I think the point is that RH is > shooting to be a desktop for ppl who can't recompile a kernel, > will never know how to recompile a kernel and don't ever want to > know what a kernel is. The key is abstraction...*heavy* > abstraction. I point again to Mac. > > To get FreeBSD on my laptop I had to recompile the kernel for my > NIC, and it took me awhile to figure out that when I enabled > sound (another kernel rebuild) I had to tell it in the kernel to > use a specific IRQ bc it booted my NIC out of its IRQ. This > isn't whining, aside from some frustration I enjoyed learning > the OS better, but my dad will *never* do that. Neither will my > wife, sister, the lady in HR, the CFO, etc. BTW why not just load the kernel module??? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 16:29:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F4016A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fubar.adept.org (fubar.adept.org [63.147.172.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E501143FAF for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:29:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by fubar.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 75B9115227; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fubar.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D3D15226 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:29:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030924164611.479dfefa.kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com> Message-ID: <20030924161906.I37033@fubar.adept.org> References: <20030924163027.60899.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> <20030924164611.479dfefa.kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a desktop OS was Re: Sorry X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:29:25 -0000 On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Vulpes Velox wrote: > > use a specific IRQ bc it booted my NIC out of its IRQ. This > > isn't whining, aside from some frustration I enjoyed learning if reading man pages and LINT/README/whatever comments, etc. is sooooo hard... well i'll move on to my next point... > > the OS better, but my dad will *never* do that. Neither will my > > wife, sister, the lady in HR, the CFO, etc. different strokes for different folks. when we reach the point where "we have to do everything just like windoze so people will like us"... well, it'd seem we then stop having values of our own. luckily, the core team won't let that happen. we do have values. we do have strengths. we work as a server, or a desktop... and as the old adage goes, "Unix isn't unfriendly, it's just picky about its friends." > Having the option for it could be good. But it should be made sure that it is > clear what is happening at the command line level or whatever. precisely. if someone wants to make superwhizbanginstaller, and make it an option for "newbie installs" -- great. i've seen huge improvements in what we have though, and hate to see it so readily dismissed. (just moved my workstation here to 5.1 -- great job guys!) also, if the superwhizbanginstaller gets bundled into some sort of meta port (i.e. instant-newbie-workstation) so sysinstall works through a warmer, fuzzier frontend... fine. just don't think that everyone actually wants our install process to look like M$'. the point is, what we have works for some. i don't think anyone's opposed to coming up with options that attempt to make the majority happy (if they're not already)... but it has to be done properly -- i.e. power users don't get treated like newbies just so newbies don't have to learn. i mean, really... does anyone use that crappy X installer in RH? that's the only "bad" reference point i have off-hand. all i can say is if that became the default installer, i'd be severely disappointed. -mrh -- From: "Spam Catcher" To: spam-catcher@adept.org Do NOT send email to the address listed above or you will be added to a blacklist! From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 18:48:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD6C16A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsdgirl.com (daemonporn.com [66.36.228.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F80343FF3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sektie@freebsdgirl.com) Received: from freebsdgirl.com (nat-66-223-56.interland.net [66.223.56.202] (may be forged)) by freebsdgirl.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8P1miMl013199; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:48:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sektie@freebsdgirl.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:48:03 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: Mike Hoskins From: Randi Harper In-Reply-To: <20030924161906.I37033@fubar.adept.org> Message-Id: <4CFA04D3-EEFA-11D7-B2EE-000393D46EC6@freebsdgirl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) cc: FreeBSD Advocacy Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a desktop OS was Re: Sorry X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:48:12 -0000 On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 07:29 PM, Mike Hoskins wrote: > i mean, really... does anyone use that crappy X installer in RH? > that's > the only "bad" reference point i have off-hand. all i can say is if > that > became the default installer, i'd be severely disappointed. The day that happens, I switch to the Theo camp. *vomit* Randi Harper sektie@freebsdgirl.com http://freebsdgirl.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 06:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6C816A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DF24400F for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:37:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael.ireland@myrealbox.com) Received: from michael.ireland [203.220.199.213] by myrealbox.com with NetMail ModWeb Module; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:37:56 +1000 From: "Mick Ireland" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:37:56 +1000 X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: michael.ireland MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Rumour Mill on FreeBSD Death Still .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:37:52 -0000 Greetings !!! I sent away for a book, FreeBSD - The Complete Reference, to help me understand more about this OS, from an Internet site. No problems, got the book all okay, and there was everything I wanted - except that I was given a "Powered by Linux" computer badge !! So, I sent back an e-mail, thanking them for their prompt service and also a snide remark about their penguin badge : "G'day !!! "Just want to let you know that my parcel FreeBSD - The Complete Reference= =20 - has arrived and all in one piece too. :-) "Though why you would send me a Linux badge .... ;-)" I got this as their response :=20 "We did send you a Linux badge because we heard rumours that=20 BSD is dying. We want you to be aware of any close alternatives in case=20 death is imminent." Now, is that rumour still making the rounds ?? I mean, if it was only the= =20 people on these lists that are the only users of FreeBSD forever, it will still last longer than BeOS and such !!! As such, I do not know whether to be amused or annoyed by their reponse ! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *= * * * * * Thank you, Bro. Michael Ireland, Australia. "Yes, the Jews are to be put next to the Arabs - I am sure they have a lot to talk about." -- The Devil sorting out seating arrangements. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 06:43:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C2A16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thuis.piwebs.com (217-19-20-186.dsl.cambrium.nl [217.19.20.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C519B43FF3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avleeuwen@piwebs.com) Received: (qmail 28471 invoked by uid 85); 27 Sep 2003 13:43:26 -0000 Received: from avleeuwen@piwebs.com by thuis.piwebs.com by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.20rc1 (uvscan: v4.2.40/v4288. Clear:RC:1:. Processed in 0.0727100000000001 secs); 27 Sep 2003 13:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.109) (192.168.0.109) by 0 with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 13:43:25 -0000 From: Arjan van Leeuwen To: "Mick Ireland" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:43:17 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> In-Reply-To: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200309271543.17343.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rumour Mill on FreeBSD Death Still .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:43:21 -0000 On Saturday 27 September 2003 15:37, Mick Ireland wrote: > Greetings !!! > > I sent away for a book, FreeBSD - The Complete Reference, to help > me understand more about this OS, from an Internet site. > > No problems, got the book all okay, and there was everything I wanted - > except that I was given a "Powered by Linux" computer badge !! > > So, I sent back an e-mail, thanking them for their prompt service > and also a snide remark about their penguin badge : > > "G'day !!! > > > "Just want to let you know that my parcel FreeBSD - The Complete Reference > - has arrived and all in one piece too. :-) > > > "Though why you would send me a Linux badge .... ;-)" > > I got this as their response : > > "We did send you a Linux badge because we heard rumours that > BSD is dying. We want you to be aware of any close alternatives in case > death is imminent." > > Now, is that rumour still making the rounds ?? I mean, if it was only the > people on these lists that are the only users of FreeBSD forever, it will > still last longer than BeOS and such !!! > > As such, I do not know whether to be amused or annoyed by their reponse ! It's a 'joke' from a Linux guy. Read Slashdot to understand (or rather, read one of the trolls once, and then forget). Arjan From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 08:28:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC66B16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0133D43F85 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:28:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.191]) by smtp.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:20:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3F75AC6A.1000307@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:27:38 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030920 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arjan van Leeuwen References: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> <200309271543.17343.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> In-Reply-To: <200309271543.17343.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2003 15:20:02.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2568AC0:01C3850A] cc: Mick Ireland cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rumour Mill on FreeBSD Death Still .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:28:25 -0000 Arjan van Leeuwen wrote: >On Saturday 27 September 2003 15:37, Mick Ireland wrote: > > >>Greetings !!! >> >> >> >>"Though why you would send me a Linux badge .... ;-)" >> >>I got this as their response : >> >>"We did send you a Linux badge because we heard rumours that >>BSD is dying. We want you to be aware of any close alternatives in case >>death is imminent." >> >>Now, is that rumour still making the rounds ?? I mean, if it was only the >>people on these lists that are the only users of FreeBSD forever, it will >>still last longer than BeOS and such !!! >> >>As such, I do not know whether to be amused or annoyed by their reponse ! >> >> > >It's a 'joke' from a Linux guy. Read Slashdot to understand (or rather, read >one of the trolls once, and then forget). > >Arjan > Yes, indeed. I was going to suggest that you make them a button using one of the graphics from someplace like, maybe, linuxsucks.com; but we really don't need to act like that, do we? Incidentally, though slighly OT, is that Mr. Gates' head they've attached to the Beastie there in the "takin' it" graphic? Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 11:35:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9EE16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391004401A for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from question+advocacy@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 066C652A3; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:35:34 -0700 From: Linh Pham To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Message-ID: <20030927183534.GA28212@q.closedsrc.org> References: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> <200309271543.17343.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> <3F75AC6A.1000307@daleco.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FCuugMFkClbJLl1L" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F75AC6A.1000307@daleco.biz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: closedsrc.org Mail-Copies-To: poster X-PGP-Key: http://closedsrc.org/~question/pubkey.asc cc: Mick Ireland cc: Arjan van Leeuwen cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rumour Mill on FreeBSD Death Still .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:35:40 -0000 --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003-09-27 10:27 -0500, "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." = wrote: # Yes, indeed. I was going to suggest that you # make them a button using one of the graphics # from someplace like, maybe, linuxsucks.com; # but we really don't need to act like that, do we? #=20 # Incidentally, though slighly OT, is that Mr. # Gates' head they've attached to the Beastie there # in the "takin' it" graphic? Well I do have bsdnotlinux.org ;) --=20 Linh Pham question+advocacy@closedsrc.org Webmaster and FreeBSD Geek http://closedsrc.org Apprentice Manager Editor and Writer http://www.daemonnews.org Courage: The things I do for love | And So Western Civilization Crumbles --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/ddh2whofDeWkDMIRApluAJwI5L90y1f3ST1dXifNy9h62WfmTQCgoxWv a1qQ3zvPhMLpH65DOoPbU2E= =O3tM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 11:50:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5105816A4BF for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAF643FE0 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8RIoFFY002550 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:50:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8RIoFuh002549; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:50:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309271850.h8RIoFuh002549@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org From: "Stacy Olivas" Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stacy Olivas List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:50:17 -0000 The following reply was made to PR advocacy/47559; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Stacy Olivas" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:44:04 +0200 >State: closed >Responsible: bsdadvocacy@lists.bsdadvocacy.org Let's see if this works. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 12:00:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4643C16A4D7 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45F543F93 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:00:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8RJ0cFY003445 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:00:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8RJ0cPx003444; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:00:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309271900.h8RJ0cPx003444@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org From: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:00:40 -0000 The following reply was made to PR advocacy/47559; it has been noted by GNATS. From: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, olivas@digiflux.org Cc: Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:58:46 +0200 >State: Suspended >Responsible: bsdadvocacy@lists.bsdadvocacy.org Ok, let's see if this works. Sorry about the spoofing, I'm trying to turn off the spamming of the -advocacy list by the bugmaster. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 12:06:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2600B16A4B3; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2947244034; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8RJ6tFY006955; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8RJ6tgS006951; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ceri) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200309271906.h8RJ6tgS006951@freefall.freebsd.org> To: olivas@digiflux.org, ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:06:56 -0000 Synopsis: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ceri State-Changed-When: Sat Sep 27 12:06:02 PDT 2003 State-Changed-Why: bsdadvocacy.org is coming along quite nicely, along with (perhaps) bsdevents.org. Stacy, next time just ask ;-) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47559 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 12:19:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1815416A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.65535.net (thor.65535.net [216.17.104.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272AD43FDF for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:19:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rghf@fsck.me.uk) Received: from jvds.demon.co.uk ([212.228.151.253] helo=bitch.localdomain) by thor.65535.net with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3KZG-000Ej7-Dn for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:17:23 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:20:55 +0100 (BST) From: Rus Foster X-X-Sender: rghf@bitch.localdomain To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: bsdadvocacy.org DNS/Apache X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:19:09 -0000 Hi, Just noticed that www.bsdadvocacy.org works but bsdadvocacy.org -> www.anthonychavez.org Guess virtualhost apache config Rus -- w: http://www.jvds.com | Just Virtual Dedicated Servers e: rghf@jvds.com | banners: http://www.jvds.com/banners.php t: +44 7919 373537 | t: 1-888-327-6330 | email: sales@jvds.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 12:29:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C18216A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3854403D for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:29:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sentinel [10.0.2.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8RJT8ZG057201; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:29:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) From: Stacy Olivas To: Rus Foster , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:29:08 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200309272129.08738.olivas@digiflux.org> Subject: Re: bsdadvocacy.org DNS/Apache X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:29:13 -0000 On Saturday 27 September 2003 9:20 pm, Rus Foster wrote: > Hi, > Just noticed that www.bsdadvocacy.org works but bsdadvocacy.org -> > www.anthonychavez.org > > Guess virtualhost apache config > > Rus It was a place holder for the website until it stated being developed.. I think it's just an oversight now. :) -Stacy -- ------------------------------------ WarBSD (http://digiflux.org/warbsd/) The BSD Advocacy Project (http://bsdadvocacy.org) PGP public key is available from http://digiflux.org/olivas.asc From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 12:30:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C3A16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C255143FB1 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sentinel [10.0.2.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8RJUGZG057238 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:30:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) From: Stacy Olivas To: advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:30:18 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200309272130.18072.olivas@digiflux.org> Subject: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:30:21 -0000 Here's a question I thought I would ask, especially since I haven't done anything with it in a while: Does anyone use WarBSD? -Stacy -- ------------------------------------ WarBSD (http://digiflux.org/warbsd/) The BSD Advocacy Project (http://bsdadvocacy.org) PGP public key is available from http://digiflux.org/olivas.asc From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 13:22:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A555F16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B18244022 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from cpc3-cdif2-5-0-cust222.cdif.cable.ntl.com ([81.101.152.222] helo=shrike.submonkey.net ident=mailnull) by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with esmtp (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.22) id 1A3La3-000IjF-9N; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:22:15 +0100 Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.22) id 1A3La0-00020Z-Kb; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:22:12 +0100 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:22:12 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Stacy Olivas Message-ID: <20030927202212.GH915@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Stacy Olivas , advocacy@freebsd.org References: <200309272130.18072.olivas@digiflux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7LkOrbQMr4cezO2T" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200309272130.18072.olivas@digiflux.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:22:17 -0000 --7LkOrbQMr4cezO2T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 09:30:18PM +0200, Stacy Olivas wrote: > Here's a question I thought I would ask, especially since I haven't done= =20 > anything with it in a while: >=20 > Does anyone use WarBSD? Somebody must be: {setantae@shaft}-{~} $ grep -c warbsd.\*.tgz www/submonkey.net/logs/access.= log 275 Ceri --=20 --7LkOrbQMr4cezO2T Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/dfF0ocfcwTS3JF8RAsGmAJwInN6FdFw9aW3AyUdZoBOmWG2LgwCaAgz0 wsbIumQh2+GuvgSH07NFkao= =oKpN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7LkOrbQMr4cezO2T-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 15:29:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6B916A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7529343FF2 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:29:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcrudy@pacbell.net) Received: from adsl-67-121-152-112.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO pacbell.net) (dcrudy@pacbell.net@67.121.152.112 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 22:29:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3F760F63.9030705@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:29:55 -0700 From: Daniel Rudy Organization: SBC Internet Services User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11R6; U; FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE-p4; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> <200309271543.17343.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> <3F75AC6A.1000307@daleco.biz> <20030927183534.GA28212@q.closedsrc.org> In-Reply-To: <20030927183534.GA28212@q.closedsrc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Rumour Mill on FreeBSD Death Still .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrudy@pacbell.net List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:29:47 -0000 Somewhere around the time of 09/27/2003 11:35, the world stopped and listened as Linh Pham contributed this to humanity: > On 2003-09-27 10:27 -0500, "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." wrote: > > # Yes, indeed. I was going to suggest that you > # make them a button using one of the graphics > # from someplace like, maybe, linuxsucks.com; > # but we really don't need to act like that, do we? > # > # Incidentally, though slighly OT, is that Mr. > # Gates' head they've attached to the Beastie there > # in the "takin' it" graphic? > > Well I do have bsdnotlinux.org ;) > I loved the site. I didn't know that Netcraft, XFree86, and Apache run FreeBSD. I love it. Here's another link for you guys: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system_advocacy -- Daniel Rudy From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 15:38:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A4F16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB81044011 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:38:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcrudy@pacbell.net) Received: from adsl-67-121-152-112.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (HELO pacbell.net) (dcrudy@pacbell.net@67.121.152.112 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2003 22:38:40 -0000 Message-ID: <3F761179.5010600@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:38:49 -0700 From: Daniel Rudy Organization: SBC Internet Services User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11R6; U; FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE-p4; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Converting Linux Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrudy@pacbell.net List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:38:41 -0000 Hello, I've been around trying to convert Linux users to FreeBSD. It seems that the primary objection to FreeBSD is that their software won't run. I explain to them about the Linux, SVR4, and IBNSC2 ABIs. Their next argument is what about RPMs? I explain the package system and ports system to them. It seems that many Linux users don't know a whole lot about FreeBSD. I say we go on a campain to educate them. -- Daniel Rudy From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 15:42:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB2616A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl (pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl [217.97.36.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B15444014 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michal@pasternak.w.lub.pl) Received: (qmail 29803 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Sep 2003 00:38:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 00:38:35 +0000 From: Michal Pasternak To: Daniel Rudy Message-ID: <20030928003835.GA29773@pasternak.w.lub.pl> Mail-Followup-To: Daniel Rudy , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> <200309271543.17343.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> <3F75AC6A.1000307@daleco.biz> <20030927183534.GA28212@q.closedsrc.org> <3F760F63.9030705@pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F760F63.9030705@pacbell.net> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rumour Mill on FreeBSD Death Still .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Michal Pasternak List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:42:13 -0000 Daniel Rudy [Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 03:29:55PM -0700]: [...] > > Well I do have bsdnotlinux.org ;) > > > > I loved the site. I didn't know that Netcraft, XFree86, and Apache run > FreeBSD. I love it. "Zeus Technology" listed there doesn't. BTW I'm quite tired of "Yahoo! runs FreeBSD" advocacy. Few years ago, when it was the only dot-com, it was obvious, that it is a point for FreeBSD... but now? I think it's quite pointless. -- Michal Pasternak :: http://pasternak.w.lub.pl Resistance isn't futile, it's voltage divided by amperage From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 18:38:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E77E16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AAA43FE9 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:38:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from question+advocacy@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4DE9A52A3; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:38:49 -0700 From: Linh Pham To: Daniel Rudy Message-ID: <20030928013849.GA29099@q.closedsrc.org> References: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> <200309271543.17343.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> <3F75AC6A.1000307@daleco.biz> <20030927183534.GA28212@q.closedsrc.org> <3F760F63.9030705@pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F760F63.9030705@pacbell.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: closedsrc.org Mail-Copies-To: poster X-PGP-Key: http://closedsrc.org/~question/pubkey.asc cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rumour Mill on FreeBSD Death Still .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:38:56 -0000 --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003-09-27 15:29 -0700, Daniel Rudy wrote: # I loved the site. I didn't know that Netcraft, XFree86, and Apache run # FreeBSD. I love it. I was actually surprised by how many fairly well-known sites were running on BSD and I had to do something with the domain other than having it point to closedsrc.org :) So I did a wee bit of research and put up that page. The page isn't much... but it is one way that I can somehow contribute without knowing much about coding. # Here's another link for you guys: #=20 # http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system_advocacy That's a pretty good page! --=20 Linh Pham question+advocacy@closedsrc.org Webmaster and FreeBSD Geek http://closedsrc.org Apprentice Manager Editor and Writer http://www.daemonnews.org Courage: The things I do for love | And So Western Civilization Crumbles --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/djupwhofDeWkDMIRAjwAAJ9T9iT7fLv4Yc6mpMMLTfMQtz1G7gCdEQ+X kNkRY4feRcdYCZCbcph1TO8= =nTCG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 18:40:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A1216A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C1343FBF for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from question+advocacy@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6796852A3; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:40:41 -0700 From: Linh Pham To: Daniel Rudy , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030928014041.GB29099@q.closedsrc.org> References: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> <200309271543.17343.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> <3F75AC6A.1000307@daleco.biz> <20030927183534.GA28212@q.closedsrc.org> <3F760F63.9030705@pacbell.net> <20030928003835.GA29773@pasternak.w.lub.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030928003835.GA29773@pasternak.w.lub.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: closedsrc.org Mail-Copies-To: poster X-PGP-Key: http://closedsrc.org/~question/pubkey.asc Subject: Re: Rumour Mill on FreeBSD Death Still .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:40:48 -0000 --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003-09-28 00:38 +0000, Michal Pasternak wro= te: # "Zeus Technology" listed there doesn't. Thanks... looks like they moved over to Linux in the past "several" months :( # BTW I'm quite tired of "Yahoo! runs FreeBSD" advocacy. Few years ago, when # it was the only dot-com, it was obvious, that it is a point for FreeBSD... # but now? I think it's quite pointless. I agree, it is a bit aged of a statement now. I listed Yahoo! first because it's a recognizable name... else we need to have a much better list of "clients" :D --=20 Linh Pham question+advocacy@closedsrc.org Webmaster and FreeBSD Geek http://closedsrc.org Apprentice Manager Editor and Writer http://www.daemonnews.org Courage: The things I do for love | And So Western Civilization Crumbles --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/djwZwhofDeWkDMIRAmGwAKChPVCw4BvkPMOYpx4S+weQGjtz+gCaA9lw qNjz+YOPO6SxOtfXujiOMsw= =czGx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 19:15:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027AE16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (afg.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B230044035 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:15:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8S2D5QW043457; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: (from matto@localhost) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id h8S2D5KK043456; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:13:05 -0700 From: Matt Olander To: Linh Pham Message-ID: <20030927191304.R41031@knight.ixsystems.net> References: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> <200309271543.17343.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> <3F75AC6A.1000307@daleco.biz> <20030927183534.GA28212@q.closedsrc.org> <3F760F63.9030705@pacbell.net> <20030928003835.GA29773@pasternak.w.lub.pl> <20030928014041.GB29099@q.closedsrc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20030928014041.GB29099@q.closedsrc.org>; from question+advocacy@closedsrc.org on Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 06:40:41PM -0700 cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rumour Mill on FreeBSD Death Still .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 02:15:35 -0000 On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 06:40:41PM -0700, Linh Pham wrote: > # BTW I'm quite tired of "Yahoo! runs FreeBSD" advocacy. Few years ago, when > # it was the only dot-com, it was obvious, that it is a point for FreeBSD... > # but now? I think it's quite pointless. > > I agree, it is a bit aged of a statement now. I listed Yahoo! first > because it's a recognizable name... else we need to have a much better > list of "clients" :D well, we've used the yahoo example many times and I'm more than willing to keep beating it into the ground to convince enterprise level customers that other enterprise level companies believe that freebsd is suitable for the enterprise. the more revenue generating businesses that you can show to an IT manager, the better the chances ;) also, nice page Linh! -matt > > -- > Linh Pham question+advocacy@closedsrc.org > Webmaster and FreeBSD Geek http://closedsrc.org > Apprentice Manager Editor and Writer http://www.daemonnews.org > Courage: The things I do for love | And So Western Civilization Crumbles -- Matt Olander (408)943-4100 Phone (408)943-4101 Fax www.offmyserver.com -- "Those who don't read have no advantage over those who can't" -Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 19:35:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839AD16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D4C44028 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:35:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87152BD41 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:35:33 +1000 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C289B51836; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:05:18 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:05:18 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Mick Ireland Message-ID: <20030928023518.GB11520@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rumour Mill on FreeBSD Death Still .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 02:35:36 -0000 --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday, 27 September 2003 at 23:37:56 +1000, Mick Ireland wrote: > Greetings !!! > > I sent away for a book, FreeBSD - The Complete Reference, to help > me understand more about this OS, from an Internet site. > > No problems, got the book all okay, and there was everything I wanted - > except that I was given a "Powered by Linux" computer badge !! > > So, I sent back an e-mail, thanking them for their prompt service > and also a snide remark about their penguin badge : > > "G'day !!! > > "Just want to let you know that my parcel FreeBSD - The Complete Reference > - has arrived and all in one piece too. :-) > > "Though why you would send me a Linux badge .... ;-)" > > I got this as their response : > > "We did send you a Linux badge because we heard rumours that > BSD is dying. We want you to be aware of any close alternatives in case > death is imminent." (Not wearing core hat) I'd be very interested to hear who told you that. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. NOTE: Due to the currently active Microsoft-based worms, I am limiting all incoming mail to 131,072 bytes. This is enough for normal mail, but not for large attachments. Please send these as URLs. --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/dkjmIubykFB6QiMRAjoeAJ9NNLt50ssgEyNThV92llBQDWTiLQCglTsK j1XZXVigzF5agT5QFbg5jyk= =J7HF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 20:13:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AE716A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl (pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl [217.97.36.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A4CF4402A for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:13:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michal@pasternak.w.lub.pl) Received: (qmail 2418 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Sep 2003 05:09:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:09:57 +0000 From: Michal Pasternak To: Matt Olander Message-ID: <20030928050957.GA2362@pasternak.w.lub.pl> Mail-Followup-To: Matt Olander , Linh Pham , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <1064669876.5aee8e20michael.ireland@myrealbox.com> <200309271543.17343.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> <3F75AC6A.1000307@daleco.biz> <20030927183534.GA28212@q.closedsrc.org> <3F760F63.9030705@pacbell.net> <20030928003835.GA29773@pasternak.w.lub.pl> <20030928014041.GB29099@q.closedsrc.org> <20030927191304.R41031@knight.ixsystems.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030927191304.R41031@knight.ixsystems.net> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rumour Mill on FreeBSD Death Still .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Michal Pasternak List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:13:37 -0000 Matt Olander [Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 07:13:05PM -0700]: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 06:40:41PM -0700, Linh Pham wrote: > > # BTW I'm quite tired of "Yahoo! runs FreeBSD" advocacy. Few years ago, when > > # it was the only dot-com, it was obvious, that it is a point for FreeBSD... > > # but now? I think it's quite pointless. > > > > I agree, it is a bit aged of a statement now. I listed Yahoo! first > > because it's a recognizable name... else we need to have a much better > > list of "clients" :D > > well, we've used the yahoo example many times and I'm more than willing > to keep beating it into the ground to convince enterprise level > customers that other enterprise level companies believe that freebsd is > suitable for the enterprise. Of course, you're right, but someone might say: Who cares about identification string from WWW server? What if those companies host the webpages in other place? Better thing to provide would be some success stories. Who could write them? Sysadmins and developers, who use FreeBSD to do their work. They got it for free, so they could pay back to the community somehow ;) Maybe we should sent some spam-emails across UseNet unix & bsd groups and ask people about their success stories? I am sure there are plenty installations, which perform many important tasks every day... Regards, -- Michal Pasternak :: http://pasternak.w.lub.pl Resistance isn't futile, it's voltage divided by amperage