From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 26 5:14: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AE437B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 05:14:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sydney.lemis.com (sydney.lemis.com [192.109.197.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8F743F1E for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 05:13:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sydney.lemis.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QDCGJe001044; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:13:34 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0Q7la0L001766; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:47:36 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:47:36 +0800 From: Greg Lehey To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lawyers to be sicked on *BSD? Message-ID: <20030126074736.GC1606@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <0gvg0gn1o4.g0g@localhost.localdomain> <3E2F3BE6.A8FEEFA5@mindspring.com> <3E30B7AA.7000008@quadtelecom.com> <3E30C49B.51D10FAC@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 January 2003 at 10:02:45 -0800, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > I read that "BSD 4.4-Lite derived code bases" have nothing to worry > about. (Let's assume the settlement says that.) The settlement is secret. > Isn't the Linux kernel derived from BSD 4.4-Lite? No. > There was never much BSD code involved and maybe none by now, but > it's still a derivative. No. > FreeBSD is "more" of a derivative, but much less than it was in > 1995. Is OS/X 4.4-Lite-derived? How much derivation is needed to > satisfy the terms of the secret settlement? Who cares? A year ago Caldera (now SCO) released all the predecessor systems under a BSD license. After that, any other issue is irrelevant. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 26 9:15:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDD637B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1208643EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:15:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0QHFkd4007266 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:15:46 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: Subject: FW: FreeBSD Advocacy To Do and Goals list... Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:15:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c2c55e$8bcc60a0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'd like to try and make the community aware of something new that has started up. Here is the original post to -advocacy. ------------- Ok, I saw something here on this list about the To Do List / Goals list that was previously posted here.. along with the comment of why doesn't someone do something about it? Well, I've taken the initiative to go ahead and organize this list into something that looks a bit nicer. (sorry if anyone else was working on this as well!) :) you can find the list at: http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ Please take a look at it and let me know what you all think.. :) -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 26 12:36:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D4737B401; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1AA43E4A; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:36:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@phoenix.home.laserfence.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ctWB-000LKm-00; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:36:39 +0200 Received: from prometheus-p0.datel.laserfence.net ([192.168.255.1] helo=prometheus.home.laserfence.net) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ctVw-000LKf-00; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:36:25 +0200 Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ctVs-000Bwc-00; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:36:20 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18ctVr-0003yT-00; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:36:19 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Back-up DNS, mail and WWW servers for FreeBSD PR site Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:36:19 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, olivas@digiflux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301262236.19443.will@unfoldings.net> X-Spam-Score: (/) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18ctVw-000LKf-00*j0xGVGnUTsI* X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020422 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Earlier today, Stacy Olivas and I decided that it would be a good thing t= o set=20 up a site to handle PR, specifically for journalists and less technical t= ype=20 users. We've sent e-mails to some relevant people in charge and are hopin= g=20 for the official blessing, but even if we don't get it, we'd set up the s= ite=20 in an unofficial capacity anyway. I'm looking for people willing to act as back-up DNS, mail exchanger and = WWW=20 servers. We will be load balancing WWW requests with a round robin DNS=20 resolver. We have already sent out private requests to contacts in Europe= ,=20 the UK and the US for servers there, and have one server in Spain and one= in =20 South Africa which will be hosting DNS, mail and WWW. At this time, we are specifically looking for one more back-up DNS in the= =20 Asia-Pacific region. Australia, New Zealand, Japan, China, South Korea,=20 anywhere in the general area with good uptimes and reasonable bandwidth w= ould=20 be wonderful. People willing to act as back-up MX (mail exchanger) servers. This is a l= ow=20 traffic job, all that is required is that your server be willing to relay= =20 mail for the domain, and forward it later when the primary MX is back up.= =20 Mail will only ever arrive if all other backup MX servers listed before y= ours=20 is down, so it's highly unlikely that this will ever be needed, but we're= =20 taking no chances. All that is required here is some hard drive space on = /var=20 to handle a few MB of mail for a few hours if the need be. People willing to host WWW space. This would require a web server with su= pport=20 for PHP4, and a MySQL database accessable from the web server. Anyone wit= h a=20 nice big pipe and a strong server is very welcome, we want to get as many= =20 servers as we can, to be as prepared as we can for the posibility of being slashdotted one day . Anybody anywh= ere=20 in the world that is willing to help would be welcomed. We'd be willing to place small rotating adds for any project, ISP or=20 organization that donates any of these resources to the project, and a st= atic=20 add on each mirror for the entity that donates the mirror (as with exim.o= rg) Anybody offering to help out with one or more of these services is most=20 welcome, the help will be greatly appreciated. Please contact me if you are interested in lending a hand. Kind Regards Will --=20 Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@unfoldings.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 27 16: 7:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF9D37B401; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AE143F43; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:07:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0S07tvw066493; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:07:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0S07sll066492; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:07:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:07:54 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: (Re-)announcing advocacy.daemonnews.org! Message-ID: <20030128000753.GA66158@daemonnews.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Friends: Due to increasing interest in advocating BSD, Daemon News is stepping forth to offer the hosting space and coordination of a much-needed advocacy/PR clearinghouse for all of the BSD projects: FreeBSD, NetVSD, OpenBSD, Darwin, etc. The goal is to have a "one stop shop," where advocates can obtain flyers, presentations, banners, studies and other resources to utilize when working to convince others of BSD's value. These resources will be housed at http://advocacy.daemonnews.org/, which, obviously, needs some serious help. If you are interested in contributing ~anything~ to this effort (even if it's just questions and comments), please visit https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy and subscribe to our mailing list. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just curious if anyone is looking for cheap colocation service.. I'm doing this out of my home, and so I am looking for some people to help me cover the costs of going to a T1 next month (which I'm kind of being forced to do).. Email me off list if you're interested.. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 28 13:44:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0819937B407 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E19D43FAF for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:44:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0SLiWj7007357 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:44:32 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: Subject: RE: FreeBSD Advocacy To Do and Goals list... Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:44:22 +0100 Message-ID: <005701c2c716$6bd515d0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000c01c2c55e$8bcc60a0$0502000a@sentinel> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you haven't done so already, go take a look at what is happening on the -advocacy list these days... It's getting interesting. > > > Hello, > I'd like to try and make the community aware of something new that has > started up. Here is the original post to -advocacy. > ------------- > > > Ok, > I saw something here on this list about the To Do List / > Goals list that was > previously > posted here.. along with the comment of why doesn't someone > do something > about it? > > Well, I've taken the initiative to go ahead and organize this > list into > something that looks a bit > nicer. (sorry if anyone else was working on this as well!) :) > > you can find the list at: http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > Please take a look at it and let me know what you all think.. :) > > -Stacy > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 28 13:51:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0466E37B407 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36D343F43 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:51:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) id h0SLpAU3059081; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:51:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (electron.centtech.com [204.177.173.173]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0SLp9NG059073; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:51:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3E36FB44.8080402@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:51:00 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stacy Olivas Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Advocacy To Do and Goals list... References: <005701c2c716$6bd515d0$0502000a@sentinel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stacy Olivas wrote: > If you haven't done so already, go take a look at what is happening on > the -advocacy list these days... > It's getting interesting. More than interesting - it's getting productive.. :) Oh no!! Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 29 4:12:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E980137B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail5.bluewin.ch (mail5.bluewin.ch [195.186.1.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418EA43F75 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from morisdaniel_44@bluemail.ch) Received: from mss4n.bluewin.ch (195.186.4.217) by mail5.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 6.7.015) id 3E106090003447FE; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:07:36 +0000 Received: from [172.21.1.219] by mss4n.bluewin.ch with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:07:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:07:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3E19C592000F6CB4@mss4n.bluewin.ch> From: morisdaniel_44@bluemail.ch Subject: MY PROPOSITION MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Bluewin WebMail / BlueMail X-Originating-IP: 172.21.1.219 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mr MORIS DANIEL JOHANNESBURG SOUTH AFRICA ATTN: DIRECTOR/C.E.O Courtesy of business opportunity, I take liberty anchored on strong desire to solicit for your assistance on this mutual beneficiary and risk free transaction with you, which I hope you give urgent attention. To be precise, I am Mr MORIS DANIEL the manager of bills/exchange at the foreign remittance department of ABSA Bank. In my department, we discovered an abandoned sum of US$ 26.5 Million (Twenty Six Million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) in an account that belongs to one of our customers who died along with his entire family in 1988 Lockerbie Pan American Airline plane crash. Since we got information about his death, we have been expecting his next of kin to come over and claim his money because we cannot release it unless somebody applied for it as next of kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking procedures, but unfortunately to no avail and nobody has come forward to claim the money. Therefore, upon this discovery that I and other two officials in my department now decide to establish a cordial business relationship with you, hence my contacting you. We want you to purportedly present your good self as the next of kin or relation of the deceased so that we can release the fund (money) into your account for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it and again we do not want the money to go into the government account as unclaimed bill. The banking law and procedures herein stipulates that any accounts abandoned or dormant for a period of some years is subject to be closed and all money contained therein will be forfeited to the government treasury account. Now it is being speculated that the above sum will be transferred into government treasury account as unclaimed fund on or before April 2003. The reason for you to present your good self as the next of kin is occasioned by the fact that the deceased customer was a foreigner. Mode of Sharing After the successful completion of the transfer is as follows, for the role you will be expected to play in the whole exercise, we have agreed to give you twenty (20%) of the total sum, and 10% has been set aside for the expenses we are going to encounter by both parties in the process of this transaction and the remaining 70% shall be for my colleagues and I. In support of the aforementioned, you are urged to reply this letter indicating your readiness and interest to participate in the business. After your reply, you will be advised on the next step afterwards. I quite believe that you will protect our interest by keeping this business top secret and confidential. Your interest will be equally protected, as we must maintain maximum confidentiality. Trust to see your response THROUGH MY PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS count on your earliest reply. Thanks Yours faithfully. Mr MORIS DANIEL To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 29 7:26:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B43137B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:26:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmsrelay02.mx.net (cmsrelay02.mx.net [165.212.11.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D19143F43 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:26:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from immigrationguide@coollist.com) Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (HELO cmsoutbound.mx.net) (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2003 15:26:24 -0000 Received: from your-g4lzvxou0c [209.244.77.94] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/srosiere@mfire.com) via mtad (C8.MAIN.2.05) with ESMTP id 621HaCPAV0433M29; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:26:22 GMT From: "jon" Subject: Free Immigration Guide To USA To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; 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charset="ISO-8859-1"; charset="ISO-8859-1"; charset="ISO-8859-1"; charset="ISO-8859-1"; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: immigrationguide@coollist.com Reply-To: immigrationguide@coollist.com Organization: immigration guide Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:26:20 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 9.00.10 X-Mailer: Vallen e-Mailer R2003.0123 You have posted your email address and asked about information on immigration to the USA. Please go to the following site they offer a free immigration guide: http://immigrationguide.1colony.com If some one else has posted your email address please let us know so that we can take you off the email list that people subscribe to. Please send an email to: s_rosiere@msn.com give email address, state un-subcribe and use code: jan 29 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 29 19: 1:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E607037B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntl.com (pc1-glfd2-4-cust59.glfd.cable.ntl.com [81.99.187.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E912A43F3F for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from william@palfreman.com) Received: from aqua.lan.palfreman.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ntl.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0U2XSkn091660; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:33:28 GMT (envelope-from william@palfreman.com) Received: from localhost (william@localhost) by aqua.lan.palfreman.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id h0U2XSl1091657; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:33:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: aqua.lan.palfreman.com: william owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:33:28 +0000 (GMT) From: William Palfreman To: Fred Clift Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-Reply-To: <20030129163652.J22139-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> Message-ID: <20030130022654.C31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> References: <20030129163652.J22139-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Fred Clift wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, William Palfreman wrote: > > > mainstream root occur all the time - abusive behaviour by some > > government wannabees, abusive interference by courts in domain name > > ownership, ICANN, DDoS attacks, simple volume of traffic problems and > > > Are you saying that there is some other way than courts (or violence) to > ultimately resolve things that exist only in terms of law? ie > 'ownership'? Yes, of course. Agreement and mutual respect. Domains name certainly do not exist only in terms of law. They exist in the zonefile of the authoritative nameserver. Ultimately that is where any disputes are settled. Things like that don't really have anything to do with courts, less so once there are several roots (and overlapping TLDs), because a court simply cannot impose itself without the voluntary agreement the admin for the nameserver in question - which is as it should be. > Since the concept of ownership is basically just a legal definition, then > legal means will be (leaving out violence) the ultimate means of resolving > issues surrounding it. Legal means are not leaving out violence. They are violent. If someone lives in a country where a court decision goes against them, no matter how illegitimate that court decision, if they do not go along with it they can be fined ad imprisoned - and if they don't accept either police will come and arrest you, shooting if you resist. 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Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7405643E4A for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:47:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from temperanza@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 15542 invoked by uid 417); 30 Jan 2003 05:47:47 -0000 Received: from tap-.softhome.net (HELO jive.SoftHome.net) (172.16.2.22) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2003 05:47:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 23343 invoked by uid 417); 30 Jan 2003 05:47:46 -0000 Received: from adsl-63-194-84-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO dsl-63-194-84-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) (63.194.84.111) by 192.168.0.30 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2003 05:47:46 -0000 Received: from tomoyo (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:47:49 -0800 (PST)dsl-63-194-84-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h0U5lncH082020 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:47:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from temperanza@softhome.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:47:49 -0800 From: La Temperanza To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: About the ports bureaucracy Message-Id: <20030129214749.5a71f32b.temperanza@softhome.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd like to ask any committers around not to take this personally in advance; it's just my two cents, and I expect it's going to sound more inflammatory then I intended. However, if you want to call me a stupid n00b anyway, I won't deny it. ^_^ I've noticed for a while that many PRs in the ports section, particulary involving lesser-used applications, seem to sit around for months and months. These include maintainer updates and unbreakage patches, so I don't think I'm just looking at the incorrectly done or low-priority ones in the lot. I figured the most flattering explanation for this happening is that the ports committers are simply overwhelmed by the number of PRs and concentrate their efforts on the most important ones. I decided I'd like to help out, and sent an e-mail to the team asking how I could become a committer. Apparently you submit high-quality PRs until someone notices you and invites you to join the club. But if there are more PRs being submitted then they can deal with, isn't that just sort of silly? I understand the need to have someone trustworthy look over the PRs and make sure their suggested changes actually work, but I think that some of the testing & other grunt work could be delegated to less privilaged users while the committers concentrate on what only they can do- getting the good stuff into the ports tree. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 30 1: 4:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A751437B405 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999D143E4A for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:04:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from slave.gorean.org (uwstyoldexj55vg8@slave.gorean.org [10.0.0.1]) by 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0U94dfS001496; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:04:39 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton To: William Palfreman Cc: Fred Clift , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-Reply-To: <20030130022654.C31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> Message-ID: <20030130010126.Y341@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> References: <20030129163652.J22139-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> <20030130022654.C31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, William Palfreman wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Fred Clift wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, William Palfreman wrote: > > > > > mainstream root occur all the time - abusive behaviour by some > > > government wannabees, abusive interference by courts in domain name > > > ownership, ICANN, DDoS attacks, simple volume of traffic problems and > > > > > > Are you saying that there is some other way than courts (or violence) to > > ultimately resolve things that exist only in terms of law? ie > > 'ownership'? > > Yes, of course. Agreement and mutual respect. Domains name certainly > do not exist only in terms of law. They exist in the zonefile of the > authoritative nameserver. Ultimately that is where any disputes are > settled. Things like that don't really have anything to do with courts, > less so once there are several roots (and overlapping TLDs), because a > court simply cannot impose itself without the voluntary agreement the > admin for the nameserver in question - which is as it should be. > > > Since the concept of ownership is basically just a legal definition, then > > legal means will be (leaving out violence) the ultimate means of resolving > > issues surrounding it. > > Legal means are not leaving out violence. They are violent. If someone > lives in a country where a court decision goes against them, no matter > how illegitimate that court decision, if they do not go along with it > they can be fined ad imprisoned - and if they don't accept either > police will come and arrest you, shooting if you resist. Courts are the > very epitome of violence. I'm re-posting your whole message (something I don't usually do) because you rather neatly made my point, and contradicted your first statement. It is ENTIRELY possible that the courts (not the name server admins) will have the final say in regards to domain name disputes, since they have the ability to compel obedience to their edicts. Like it or not, domain names are part of business, and business and law are tightly intertwined. Doug -- If it's moving, encrypt it. If it's not moving, encrypt it till it moves, then encrypt it some more. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 30 1:19:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DFE37B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:19:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC6643F75 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:19:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from slave.gorean.org (28mcekngvnotqgia@slave.gorean.org [10.0.0.1]) by 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0U9JgfS001898; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:19:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton To: La Temperanza Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: About the ports bureaucracy In-Reply-To: <20030129214749.5a71f32b.temperanza@softhome.net> Message-ID: <20030130011315.U341@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> References: <20030129214749.5a71f32b.temperanza@softhome.net> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Having been in the position you're in now, I can sympathize with what you're saying, and no, I'm not offended. :) On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, La Temperanza wrote: > I've noticed for a while that many PRs in the ports section, particulary > involving lesser-used applications, seem to sit around for months and > months. These include maintainer updates and unbreakage patches, so I > don't think I'm just looking at the incorrectly done or low-priority > ones in the lot. I figured the most flattering explanation for this > happening is that the ports committers are simply overwhelmed by the > number of PRs and concentrate their efforts on the most important ones. I think you're partially correct. I maintain a small number of ports, basically ports that I use myself, either at home or work. I used to try and close ports PR's when time allowed, but recently time has not allowed. When looking at PR's to close I prioritized those that were easy to install (not too many dependencies that I don't already have, etc.); and easy to test. There are therefore a LOT of ports PR's that I won't touch with a 10' pole. Not because I don't think they are important, but because it's simply not possible for me to devote time to them. > I decided I'd like to help out, and sent an e-mail to the team asking > how I could become a committer. Apparently you submit high-quality PRs > until someone notices you and invites you to join the club. But if there > are more PRs being submitted then they can deal with, isn't that just > sort of silly? I understand that it doesn't _sound_ rational, but the system works. One thing that non-committers can do to help is to test ports PR's thoroughly, then submit a follow-up indicating the results of your tests. This will help committers who do have time to close random ports PR's to prioritize those which have a higher probability of success. Hope this helps, Doug -- If it's moving, encrypt it. If it's not moving, encrypt it till it moves, then encrypt it some more. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 30 9:17:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2107137B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F0743E4A for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:17:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DD785CD24; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:17:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B8CCD23; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:17:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:17:41 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Terry Lambert Cc: Matthew Dillon , Peter Wemm , Dale Woolridge , "" Subject: Re: Over heating of the ABit BP6 motherboard In-Reply-To: <3E3894E0.1388D52E@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20030130110940.X37618@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> References: <20030130022752.1872F2A89E@canning.wemm.org> <200301300246.h0U2kTbJ084870@apollo.backplane.com> <3E3894E0.1388D52E@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Moved to -chat... On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > The problem was that it was a college, and in order to sync all the > institutional clocks, it had an hourly voltage spike that would > cause the polar electrolytics to blow, letting out all the "secret > smoke". Ah ha. I always wondered how they kept those stupid clocks in sync when they were just plugged into a normal mains outlet with no other visible wiring. I remember they would also let out an occasional "buzz" when they were being syncronized. The smart and competent engineer would have put the clocks on their own power circuits, though at the time those clocks and the syncronization system were first designed, I doubt there was much in the way of "sensitive" equipment that you could have plugged into the mains. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 30 18:10:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B8337B401; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntl.com (pc1-glfd2-4-cust59.glfd.cable.ntl.com [81.99.187.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F5A43FBF; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from william@palfreman.com) Received: from aqua.lan.palfreman.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ntl.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0V2BSkn062101; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:11:28 GMT (envelope-from william@palfreman.com) Received: from localhost (william@localhost) by aqua.lan.palfreman.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id h0V2BSat062098; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:11:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: aqua.lan.palfreman.com: william owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:11:28 +0000 (GMT) From: William Palfreman To: Doug Barton Cc: Fred Clift , "" Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-Reply-To: <20030130010126.Y341@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> Message-ID: <20030131015918.J31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> References: <20030129163652.J22139-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> <20030130022654.C31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> <20030130010126.Y341@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Doug Barton wrote: > I'm re-posting your whole message (something I don't usually do) because > you rather neatly made my point, and contradicted your first statement. It > is ENTIRELY possible that the courts (not the name server admins) will > have the final say in regards to domain name disputes, since they have the > ability to compel obedience to their edicts. Only in the case of a _unitary_ domain name system. With different roots and different TLDs, based in different legal jurisdictions, it is not possible for a court to enforce arbitrary domain name decisions (as it is at present) because if their whim of the moment is not acceptable to the different competing nameserver admins, the is nothing the courts can do. The purpose of multiple competing roots and TLDs is precisely to get away from the legalistic takeover of the Internet, which is founded on their own ignorance and utter lack of technical understanding. > Like it or not, domain names are part of business, and business and law > are tightly intertwined. No. People think they are, but actually the are part of the DNS system, a popular distributed database service to make IP addresses easier to use. There is only a current de-facto relationship with businesses, courts, trademarks and so on, one which is impossible to force on people without actually securing the agreement of those managing the different zones in different places. -- W. Palfreman. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 30 18:43:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A4937B401; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8610843F75; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [193.0.9.156] (ip-26.shub-internet.org [194.78.144.26] (may be forged)) by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.20) with ESMTP id h0V2hkc11593; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:43:47 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030131015918.J31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> References: <20030129163652.J22139-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> <20030130022654.C31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> <20030130010126.Y341@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030131015918.J31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:43:58 +0100 To: William Palfreman From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net Cc: Doug Barton , Fred Clift , "" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 2:11 AM +0000 2003/01/31, William Palfreman wrote: > Only in the case of a _unitary_ domain name system. With different > roots and different TLDs, based in different legal jurisdictions, it is > not possible for a court to enforce arbitrary domain name decisions (as > it is at present) because if their whim of the moment is not acceptable > to the different competing nameserver admins, the is nothing the courts > can do. Not true. If you live in country B, and you are convicted of a crime in country A, you may think you are safe. However, if the legal system in country A can convince the legal system in country B that you should be expedited, you are toast. Heck, if country A decides to send in commandos to haul your ass in, they don't need the cooperation of the legal system in country B -- although, it does make things a lot easier. Then there's the International court. Either way, it may take longer, but the courts in the various countries are starting to become much more activist and deciding that their reach extends to anywhere in the world that they want it to, regardless of national boundaries. Don't think that you can hide forever. > The purpose of multiple competing roots and TLDs is precisely to get > away from the legalistic takeover of the Internet, which is founded on > their own ignorance and utter lack of technical understanding. When they can hire thugs to come break your kneecaps anywhere in the world, your techno-utopia of being immune to everything outside will come crashing down around your head. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 30 19: 1:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCDB37B401; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D8743FA3; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:01:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [193.0.9.156] (ip-26.shub-internet.org [194.78.144.26] (may be forged)) by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.20) with ESMTP id h0V31Cc00713; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 04:01:12 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20030129163652.J22139-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> <20030130022654.C31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> <20030130010126.Y341@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030131015918.J31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 04:01:32 +0100 To: Brad Knowles From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net Cc: William Palfreman , Doug Barton , Fred Clift , "" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 3:43 AM +0100 2003/01/31, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 2:11 AM +0000 2003/01/31, William Palfreman wrote: > >> Only in the case of a _unitary_ domain name system. With different >> roots and different TLDs, based in different legal jurisdictions, it is >> not possible for a court to enforce arbitrary domain name decisions (as >> it is at present) because if their whim of the moment is not acceptable >> to the different competing nameserver admins, the is nothing the courts >> can do. > > Not true. If you live in country B, and you are convicted of a crime > in country A, you may think you are safe. However, if the legal system > in country A can convince the legal system in country B that you should > be expedited, you are toast. Heck, if country A decides to send in s/expedited/extradited/ Sigh.... ;-( > commandos to haul your ass in, they don't need the cooperation of the > legal system in country B -- although, it does make things a lot easier. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 30 20:11:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E2E37B401; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB6643F43; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:11:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0284.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.29] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18eSWJ-0005XX-00; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:11:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3E39F705.F24B2188@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:09:41 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Knowles Cc: William Palfreman , Doug Barton , Fred Clift , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net References: <20030129163652.J22139-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> <20030130022654.C31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> <20030130010126.Y341@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030131015918.J31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4ccf34daaa7557b545bdc3d15b71a40a2548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad Knowles wrote: > Not true. If you live in country B, and you are convicted of a > crime in country A, you may think you are safe. However, if the > legal system in country A can convince the legal system in country B > that you should be expedited, you are toast. Is that like "extradited", only very very quickly? 8-). > > The purpose of multiple competing roots and TLDs is precisely to get > > away from the legalistic takeover of the Internet, which is founded on > > their own ignorance and utter lack of technical understanding. > > When they can hire thugs to come break your kneecaps anywhere in > the world, your techno-utopia of being immune to everything outside > will come crashing down around your head. It looks like "thugsforhire.com" is not registered... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 30 21:33:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8A637B401; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB63A43F43; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:33:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983D73D28; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:33:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:34:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: design review, FreshPorts change Message-ID: <3E39C492.3185.7F3FB01D@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, I know a number of you use FreeBSD and my FreshPorts website. I've just posted http://www.freshports.org/docs/404-for-virtual-pages.php which contains some proposed changes. Of note is the use of a rule to update a cross reference table. I'd appreciate feedback please, both technical and user. Cheers -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 30 23: 5:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4923837B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:05:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE7843E4A for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:05:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au) Received: from elkanah.its.unimelb.edu.au (elkanah.its.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.18.41]) by ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0V75H3J007775 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:05:17 +1100 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: JacobRhoden Organization: University of Melbourne To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: using squid to block out adds and other things Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:05:17 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301311805.17445.jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone here use a proxy server to block out ads? Is anyone aware of = /=20 does anyone have a list of the domains of add servers? I currently have a= bout=20 10 of the main ones blocked and it is really nice, and often stops alot o= f=20 popups too (: (I am also asking this because i am curious as to if anyone thinks I am e= vil=20 for doing it . . . i wonder how many Mb of data I have saved from being=20 downloaded . . . ) (: - jacob =20 Jacob Rhoden Phone: +61 3 8344 6102 ITS Division Email: jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au Melbourne University Mobile: +61 403 788 386 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 30 23:16:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAC937B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from wabakimi.chat.carleton.ca (wabakimi.chat.carleton.ca [134.117.1.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402D043F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:16:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from creyenga@connectmail.carleton.ca) Received: from fireball (resnet-89-057.cavern.carleton.ca [134.117.89.57]) by wabakimi.chat.carleton.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h0V7GAk20042; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:16:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001f01c2c8f8$b88f5140$0200000a@sewer.org> From: "Craig Reyenga" To: "JacobRhoden" Cc: References: <200301311805.17445.jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au> Subject: Re: using squid to block out adds and other things Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:16:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I do, using Squid+bannerfilter (www.phroggy.com/bannerfilter). Believe me, I have _no_ remorse for it. Websites load faster, most popups are gone, and the space that most ads take up is given back to the content. I think you should go for it and never look back. -Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "JacobRhoden" To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 02:05 Subject: using squid to block out adds and other things Does anyone here use a proxy server to block out ads? Is anyone aware of / does anyone have a list of the domains of add servers? I currently have about 10 of the main ones blocked and it is really nice, and often stops alot of popups too (: (I am also asking this because i am curious as to if anyone thinks I am evil for doing it . . . i wonder how many Mb of data I have saved from being downloaded . . . ) (: - jacob Jacob Rhoden Phone: +61 3 8344 6102 ITS Division Email: jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au Melbourne University Mobile: +61 403 788 386 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 31 1: 6:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E992137B405; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatesrv.RZ.UniBw-Muenchen.de (gatesrv.RZ.UniBW-Muenchen.de [137.193.11.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3F743E4A; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:06:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lizard@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de) Received: from nemesis.informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (nemesis.Informatik.UniBw-Muenchen.de [137.193.60.30]) by gatesrv.RZ.UniBw-Muenchen.de (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h0V8fpF10932; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:41:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost.informatik.unibw-muenchen.de [127.0.0.1]) by nemesis.informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414A75A547; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:41:51 +0100 (CET) Received: by nemesis.informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5D1EC5A546; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:41:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:41:49 +0100 From: Oliver Braun To: Dan Langille Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: design review, FreshPorts change Message-ID: <20030131084149.GA88273@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de> Mail-Followup-To: Oliver Braun , Dan Langille , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <3E39C492.3185.7F3FB01D@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E39C492.3185.7F3FB01D@localhost> X-PGP-Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xEF25B1BA X-PGP-Key-Alternative: finger obraun@FreeBSD.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6A3B 042A 732E 17E4 B6E7 3EAF C0B1 6B7D EF25 B1BA X-URL: http://ist.unibw-muenchen.de/People/obraun X-Accept-Language: de en X-Editor: Vim-601 http://www.vim.org/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dan, * Dan Langille [2003-01-31 00:34 -0500]: > I know a number of you use FreeBSD and my FreshPorts website. I've > just posted http://www.freshports.org/docs/404-for-virtual-pages.php > which contains some proposed changes. Of note is the use of a rule > to update a cross reference table. I'd appreciate feedback please, > both technical and user. Obviously I like the idea ;o) Proposed implementation looks good to me, both technical and user. Just to be sure: This approach includes that, e.g. databases/zpygresqlda is also shown on http://www.freshports.org/www/ ? Regards, Olli --=20 obraun@ -+-[ informatik.unibw-muenchen.de ]-+-[ IIS _ INF _ UniBwM ] |-[ FreeBSD.org ]-+-[ FreeBSD Commmitter ] |-[ unsane.org ]-+-[ everything __ else ] --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+OjbNwLFrfe8lsboRAlJnAJ96ThXn+dkS3q+yXiVFOER1FG9P7QCfWPi9 bd+w4LAxKmAT+rIrXn4Mm8Y= =okYa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 31 1:12:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A4337B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C38B43E4A for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:12:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 901EF536E; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:48:23 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Pete Lindstrom's parametric worm warning From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:48:22 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 47 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-=-= [lifted off RISKSL] --=-=-= Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:07:53 -0800 From: Jeremy Epstein Subject: Pete Lindstrom's parametric worm warning MIME-Version: 1.0 [From Pete Lindstrom, Spire Security, petelind@spiresecurity.com] * Computer Worm Internet* In the wee hours of , a computer worm spread throughout the Internet. Dubbed because , and also known as and , the worm has infected an estimated systems within . Experts are calling this worm the most since . The worm exploits a hole in that was first identified months ago by . In an attempt to secure the planet, released detailed information about the vulnerability and how to exploit it. They also mentioned how to fix it, but apparently listened. Coincidentally, the worm that exploited this hole was also first identified by . Even more coincidentally, they make a product to protect against . "Actually, it's not really a , it's a ," said . " A true works by ." The worm's payload every system by the . Comparatively speaking, this is much worse than but not as bad as . The computers of were hit the hardest. Current damage is estimated at . " This worm has the potential to ," said . " It just goes to show you that ." Though there is no way to protect against this particular bug, experts recommend trying or , neither of which matter, since nobody will do it anyway. --=-=-= DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org --=-=-=-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 31 6: 3: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C36937B401; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E3443F79; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:03:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C183D27; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:02:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Oliver Braun Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:03:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: design review, FreshPorts change Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3E3A3BED.20218.8111EBC3@localhost> In-reply-to: <20030131084149.GA88273@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3E39C492.3185.7F3FB01D@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 31 Jan 2003 at 9:41, Oliver Braun wrote: > Hi Dan, > > * Dan Langille [2003-01-31 00:34 -0500]: > > I know a number of you use FreeBSD and my FreshPorts website. I've > > just posted http://www.freshports.org/docs/404-for-virtual-pages.php > > which contains some proposed changes. Of note is the use of a rule > > to update a cross reference table. I'd appreciate feedback please, > > both technical and user. > > Obviously I like the idea ;o) > > Proposed implementation looks good to me, both technical and user. > Just to be sure: This approach includes that, e.g. > databases/zpygresqlda is also shown on http://www.freshports.org/www/ > ? Yes, and http://www.freshports.org/zope/zpygresqlda. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 31 15:36:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBB737B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from m20.unixathome.org (ip50-169.qv-ott.istop.com [66.11.169.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC9B43F43 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:36:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: by m20.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 69C387A1E; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m20.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE591E8F; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:36:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:36:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille X-X-Sender: dan@m20.unixathome.org To: chat@freebsd.org Cc: dan@langille.org Subject: HEADS UP: IP address change to FreeBSDDiary etc Message-ID: <20030131183312.G845-100000@m20.unixathome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just got word from my provider that they have to change the IP addresses.... it seems it has been forced upon them, more or less. I don't yet know what the new addresses will be, but the sites may be unavailable until the changes propogate. This affects: freebsddiary.org freshports.org freshsource.org dvl-software.com as well as a few other more obscure sites. cheers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 31 20:31: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C091C37B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from m20.unixathome.org (ip50-169.qv-ott.istop.com [66.11.169.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E64643F3F for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:31:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: by m20.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 425FB7A1E; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m20.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E92B1E8F for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:30:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:30:51 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille X-X-Sender: dan@m20.unixathome.org To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: IP address change to FreeBSDDiary etc In-Reply-To: <20030131183312.G845-100000@m20.unixathome.org> Message-ID: <20030131232936.G2991-100000@m20.unixathome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Dan Langille wrote: > I just got word from my provider that they have to change the IP > addresses.... it seems it has been forced upon them, more or less. I > don't yet know what the new addresses will be, but the sites may be > unavailable until the changes propogate. > > This affects: > freebsddiary.org > freshports.org > freshsource.org > dvl-software.com > as well as a few other more obscure sites. The DNS has been updated, but some are proving more fun than others. In the meantime, these URLs should get you to where you want to go: http://freshsource.unixathome.org/ http://ww2.freebsddiary.org/ http://ww2.freshports.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 31 21:46:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7ECB37B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from seattlefenix.net (seattlefenix.net [216.231.34.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612A143E4A for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:46:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roo@seattlefenix.net) Received: by seattlefenix.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B8E2DB23A; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:41:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:41:35 -0800 From: Benjamin Krueger To: Dan Langille Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: IP address change to FreeBSDDiary etc Message-ID: <20030201054135.GB27356@surreal.seattlefenix.net> Reply-To: Benjamin Krueger References: <20030131183312.G845-100000@m20.unixathome.org> <20030131232936.G2991-100000@m20.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030131232936.G2991-100000@m20.unixathome.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Dan Langille (dan@langille.org) [030131 20:25]: > On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Dan Langille wrote: > > > I just got word from my provider that they have to change the IP > > addresses.... it seems it has been forced upon them, more or less. I > > don't yet know what the new addresses will be, but the sites may be > > unavailable until the changes propogate. > > > > This affects: > > freebsddiary.org > > freshports.org > > freshsource.org > > dvl-software.com > > as well as a few other more obscure sites. > > The DNS has been updated, but some are proving more fun than others. In > the meantime, these URLs should get you to where you want to go: > > http://freshsource.unixathome.org/ > http://ww2.freebsddiary.org/ > http://ww2.freshports.org/ Thanks for the heads up. When will your changes be added to the global arpa hosts file, and what FTP will it be hosted on? ;) -- Benjamin Krueger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 31 23:55: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F72C37B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6598043F75 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:55:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from temperanza@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 6376 invoked by uid 417); 1 Feb 2003 07:55:01 -0000 Received: from tap-.softhome.net (HELO jive.SoftHome.net) (172.16.2.22) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 1 Feb 2003 07:55:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 19040 invoked by uid 417); 1 Feb 2003 07:55:00 -0000 Received: from adsl-63-194-84-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO dsl-63-194-84-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) (63.194.84.111) by 192.168.0.30 with SMTP; 1 Feb 2003 07:55:00 -0000 Received: from tomoyo (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:55:02 -0800 (PST)dsl-63-194-84-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h117t2T1067638 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:55:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from temperanza@softhome.net) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:55:02 -0800 From: La Temperanza To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Learning about other architectures Message-Id: <20030131235502.08f068c8.temperanza@softhome.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I currently own an Athlon XP 1700+ and am toying with the idea of saving up for a computer of different platform- preferably Alpha, or possibly SPARC/IA64/PPC, but I think I could live with using NetBSD if the best choice isn't supported under Free. I'm pretty uninformed, so tell me about some of the alternatives to x86. Will I be able to match or improve performance/stability/etc as a home UNIX user? How is sound and graphics support (since I listen to music, watch DVDs in mplayer and like to play the occasional 3D game)? Are there any other caveats I should know about? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 1 3:26:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5325B37B401 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0DB43E4A for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:26:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 54FC35371; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:26:33 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Biggest 419 scam ever From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 12:26:32 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 96 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [lifted off rec.humor.funny] > URGENT ASSISTANCE - FROM USA > > IMMEDIATE ATTENTION NEEDED : > HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL > > FROM: GEORGE WALKER BUSH > 202.456.1414 / 202.456.1111 > FAX: 202.456.2461 > > DEAR SIR / MADAM, > > I AM GEORGE WALKER BUSH, SON OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED > STATES OF AMERICA GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, AND CURRENTLY SERVING AS > PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THIS LETTER MIGHT SURPRISE > YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT MET NEITHER IN PERSON NOR BY CORRESPONDENCE. I > CAME TO KNOW OF YOU IN MY SEARCH FOR A RELIABLE AND REPUTABLE PERSON TO > HANDLE A VERY CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS TRANSACTION, WHICH INVOLVES THE > TRANSFER OF A HUGE SUM OF MONEY TO AN ACCOUNT REQUIRING MAXIMUM > CONFIDENCE. > > I AM WRITING YOU IN ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE PRIMARILY TO SEEK YOUR > ASSISTANCE IN ACQUIRING OIL FUNDS THAT ARE PRESENTLY TRAPPED IN THE > REPUBLIC OF IRAQ. MY PARTNERS AND I SOLICIT YOUR ASSISTANCE IN > COMPLETING A TRANSACTION BEGUN BY MY FATHER, WHO HAS LONG BEEN ACTIVELY > ENGAGED IN THE EXTRACTION OF PETROLEUM IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, > AND BRAVELY SERVED HIS COUNTRY AS DIRECTOR OF THE UNITED STATES CENTRAL > INTELLIGENCE AGENCY. > > IN THE DECADE OF THE NINETEEN-EIGHTIES, MY FATHER, THEN VICE-PRESIDENT > OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SOUGHT TO WORK WITH THE GOOD OFFICES OF > THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ TO REGAIN LOST OIL REVENUE SOURCES > IN THE NEIGHBORING ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN. THIS UNSUCCESSFUL VENTURE > WAS SOON FOLLOWED BY A FALLING-OUT WITH HIS IRAQI PARTNER, WHO SOUGHT TO > ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL OIL REVENUE SOURCES IN THE NEIGHBORING EMIRATE OF > KUWAIT, A WHOLLY-OWNED U.S.-BRITISH SUBSIDIARY. > > MY FATHER RE-SECURED THE PETROLEUM ASSETS OF KUWAIT IN 1991 AT A COST OF > SIXTY-ONE BILLION U.S. DOLLARS ($61,000,000,000). OUT OF THAT COST, > THIRTY-SIX BILLION DOLLARS ($36,000,000,000) WERE SUPPLIED BY HIS > PARTNERS IN THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA AND OTHER PERSIAN GULF > MONARCHIES, AND SIXTEEN BILLION DOLLARS ($16,000,000,000) BY GERMAN AND > JAPANESE PARTNERS. BUT MY FATHER'S FORMER IRAQI BUSINESS PARTNER > REMAINED IN CONTROL OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ITS PETROLEUM > RESERVES. > > MY FAMILY IS CALLING FOR YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE IN FUNDING THE REMOVAL > OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ACQUIRING THE PETROLEUM > ASSETS OF HIS COUNTRY, AS COMPENSATION FOR THE COSTS OF REMOVING HIM > FROM POWER. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR PARTNERS FROM 1991 ARE NOT WILLING TO > SHOULDER THE BURDEN OF THIS NEW VENTURE, WHICH IN ITS UPCOMING PHASE MAY > COST THE SUM OF 100 BILLION TO 200 BILLION DOLLARS ($100,000,000,000 - > $200,000,000,000), BOTH IN THE INITIAL ACQUISITION AND IN LONG-TERM > MANAGEMENT. > > WITHOUT THE FUNDS FROM OUR 1991 PARTNERS, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO > ACQUIRE THE OIL REVENUE TRAPPED WITHIN IRAQ. THAT IS WHY MY FAMILY AND > OUR COLLEAGUES ARE URGENTLY SEEKING YOUR GRACIOUS ASSISTANCE. OUR > DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUES IN THIS BUSINESS TRANSACTION INCLUDE THE > SITTING VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, RICHARD CHENEY, > WHO IS AN ORIGINAL PARTNER IN THE IRAQ VENTURE AND FORMER HEAD OF THE > HALLIBURTON OIL COMPANY, AND CONDOLEEZA RICE, WHOSE PROFESSIONAL > DEDICATION TO THE VENTURE WAS DEMONSTRATED IN THE NAMING OF A CHEVRON > OIL TANKER AFTER HER. > > I WOULD BESEECH YOU TO TRANSFER A SUM EQUALING TEN TO TWENTY-FIVE > PERCENT (10-25 %) OF YOUR YEARLY INCOME TO OUR ACCOUNT TO AID IN THIS > IMPORTANT VENTURE. THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE OF THE UNITED STATES OF > AMERICA WILL FUNCTION AS OUR TRUSTED INTERMEDIARY. I PROPOSE THAT YOU > MAKE THIS TRANSFER BEFORE THE FIFTEENTH (15TH) OF THE MONTH OF APRIL. > I KNOW THAT A TRANSACTION OF THIS MAGNITUDE WOULD MAKE ANYONE > APPREHENSIVE AND WORRIED. BUT I AM ASSURING YOU THAT ALL WILL BE WELL > > AT THE END OF THE DAY. A BOLD STEP TAKEN SHALL NOT BE REGRETTED, I > ASSURE YOU. PLEASE DO BE INFORMED THAT THIS BUSINESS TRANSACTION IS > 100% LEGAL. IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO CO-OPERATE IN THIS TRANSACTION, > PLEASE CONTACT OUR INTERMEDIARY REPRESENTATIVES TO FURTHER DISCUSS THE > MATTER. > > I PRAY THAT YOU UNDERSTAND OUR PLIGHT. MY FAMILY AND OUR COLLEAGUES > WILL BE FOREVER GRATEFUL. PLEASE REPLY IN STRICT CONFIDENCE TO THE > CONTACT NUMBERS BELOW. > > SINCERELY WITH WARM REGARDS, > > GEORGE WALKER BUSH > > Switchboard: 202.456.1414 > Comments: 202.456.1111 > Fax: 202.456.2461 > Email: president@whitehouse.gov DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 1 8:11:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F6837B401 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-88.apple.com [17.250.248.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B729643F3F for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:11:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolnif@mac.com) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h11GBChn027935 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([66.92.1.188]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H9N0YO00.OJF; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:11:12 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:07:03 -0800 Subject: Re: oh my god the nasa shuttle blewup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: chat@freebsd.org To: From: John Martinez In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3417F02C-35FF-11D7-9E46-0003937C0B34@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 08:01 AM, JoeB wrote: > Seven soles lost in the disaster. Yeah, what a tragedy for our nation. I hope this doesn't affect our space program negatively, but we will recover from this. My heart and prayers go out to the families of the astronauts. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 1 17:12:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5C937B401 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-67-115-74-80.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.74.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D96343E4A for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:12:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F7467C38; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AE321908; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:12:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:12:22 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: La Temperanza Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Learning about other architectures Message-ID: <20030202011222.GA41196@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030131235502.08f068c8.temperanza@softhome.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+QahgC5+KEYLbs62" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030131235502.08f068c8.temperanza@softhome.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 11:55:02PM -0800, La Temperanza wrote: > I'm pretty uninformed, so tell me about some of the alternatives to x86. > Will I be able to match or improve performance/stability/etc as a home > UNIX user? non-x86 hardware tends to be more expensive (supply and demand), but you can pick up good cheap second-hand equipment on ebay. e.g. a sun ultra 30 goes for about US$200, an ultra 60 for about $400 (watch a few auctions to get a sense of the price fluctuations before buying). If you want something as fast as the latest x86 CPUs expect to pay MUCH more. > How is sound and graphics support (since I listen to music, > watch DVDs in mplayer and like to play the occasional 3D game)? Are > there any other caveats I should know about? FreeBSD/sparc64 does not yet have console support (e.g. no X), but for any PCI-based machine you can just use ordinary PCI cards. Non-x86 platforms have not been as widely tested, so you may run into caveats (e.g. some network drivers do not yet work on sparc because they are written non-portably). Kris --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+PHB2Wry0BWjoQKURAmyIAKCZAqKsA6Nc+wT7d878QEkAeFcZCgCg+zSD TDv3MAzpTmRSTW/4YKJc91U= =qpHg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 1 18: 3:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE1F37B401 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 18:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from riker.skynet.be (riker.skynet.be [195.238.3.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B39843E4A for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 18:03:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [193.0.9.156] (ip-26.shub-internet.org [194.78.144.26] (may be forged)) by riker.skynet.be (8.12.7/8.12.7/Skynet-OUT-2.21) with ESMTP id h122392q003791; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:03:22 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3417F02C-35FF-11D7-9E46-0003937C0B34@mac.com> References: <3417F02C-35FF-11D7-9E46-0003937C0B34@mac.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 02:38:16 +0100 To: John Martinez From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: oh my god the nasa shuttle blewup Cc: , chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 8:07 AM -0800 2003/02/01, John Martinez wrote: >> Seven soles lost in the disaster. > > Yeah, what a tragedy for our nation. I guess they have to rename the agency again. After Challenger blew up, I heard that NASA stood for Need Another Seven Astronauts. I guess now it will have to be NASAA -- Need Another Seven Astronauts Again. 0.5 ;-0 > I hope this doesn't affect our space program negatively, but we will > recover from this. It was almost three years after Challenger before we finally put another shuttle in space. It's probably going to be two to three years before we launch another shuttle, assuming we do launch any more shuttles. What's going to happen to the space station in the meanwhile? What about the people there now? With Russian commitment having crumbled, are we going to leave those people to die? Assuming they come back safely, do we abandon the ISS, the way we abandoned the previous two space stations? Moreover, just exactly how is Bush going to handle four simultaneous crises -- continuing to hunt down Al Qaeda, going after Sadam, dealing with North Korea, and now dealing with the aftermath of Columbia? IMO, this is the end of his presidency. He tried to do too many things at the same time, and go after too many old enemies at the same time. > My heart and prayers go out to the families of the astronauts. Mine too. I just hope that we can prove that there wasn't a bomb or sabotage involved, because otherwise we've just seen the start of WWIII. The Israelis have nuclear capability, and they've never been shy to use any force they deem fit when they think they have enough evidence to convince themselves. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 1 23: 4:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7685337B401 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 23:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B46E43F3F for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 23:04:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from temperanza@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 25873 invoked by uid 417); 2 Feb 2003 07:04:07 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO jive.SoftHome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 2 Feb 2003 07:04:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 25853 invoked by uid 417); 2 Feb 2003 07:04:06 -0000 Received: from adsl-63-194-84-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO dsl-63-194-84-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) (63.194.84.111) by 192.168.0.6 with SMTP; 2 Feb 2003 07:04:06 -0000 Received: from tomoyo (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Sat, 1 Feb 2003 23:04:03 -0800 (PST)dsl-63-194-84-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h12743a2007526; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 23:04:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from temperanza@softhome.net) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 23:04:03 -0800 From: La Temperanza To: Kris Kennaway Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Learning about other architectures Message-Id: <20030201230403.4e419daa.temperanza@softhome.net> In-Reply-To: <20030202011222.GA41196@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030131235502.08f068c8.temperanza@softhome.net> <20030202011222.GA41196@rot13.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, without X support it doesn't sound like my type of system, but hopefully it would mature while I'm scraping together a grand or two. The workstations you suggested seem reasonable on eBay. I used to be a Mac user, so I'm not completely spoiled by dirt-cheap hardware :) Hmm... the UltraSPARC II's nbench numbers don't look too great compared to some other non-x86 CPUs, though. I'm quite tempted by the 750mHz Alpha 21264 being able to match a Pentium 4 1.7gHz (impaired by Red Hat, unfortunately) in integer performance and an Athlon XP 1700+ like mine in floating point. However, benchmarks are pretty bogus- expecially under *NIX- and I'm not sure if the "Compaq C" that Alpha was compiling with is available for BSD or available at all. On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:12:22 -0800 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 11:55:02PM -0800, La Temperanza wrote: > > > I'm pretty uninformed, so tell me about some of the alternatives to > > x86. Will I be able to match or improve performance/stability/etc as > > a home UNIX user? > > non-x86 hardware tends to be more expensive (supply and demand), but > you can pick up good cheap second-hand equipment on ebay. e.g. a sun > ultra 30 goes for about US$200, an ultra 60 for about $400 (watch a > few auctions to get a sense of the price fluctuations before buying). > If you want something as fast as the latest x86 CPUs expect to pay > MUCH more. > > > How is sound and graphics support (since I listen to music, > > watch DVDs in mplayer and like to play the occasional 3D game)? Are > > there any other caveats I should know about? > > FreeBSD/sparc64 does not yet have console support (e.g. no X), but for > any PCI-based machine you can just use ordinary PCI cards. Non-x86 > platforms have not been as widely tested, so you may run into caveats > (e.g. some network drivers do not yet work on sparc because they are > written non-portably). > > Kris > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message