From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 10:06:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3891516A4CF for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnull.com (dnull.com [209.237.44.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D1CF43FBD for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:06:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@dnull.com) Received: (qmail 42361 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Dec 2003 17:52:02 -0000 Date: 3 Dec 2003 17:52:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20031203175202.42359.qmail@dnull.com> From: jessem@dnull.com To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: SVBUG Thursday (12-04-2003) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:06:16 -0000 Announcement for 2003-12-04 Topic: EVEN More Follow up to Simple Rulles for Avoiding Spam This month, Dec., we are meeting. The meeting will start at 7:00pm. Yes, we are starting early. Directions to the meeting are on the website: http://www.svbug.com/directions/ Please note the special starting time. Thank You Jessem. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 00:33:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEC916A4CF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnull.com (dnull.com [209.237.44.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B359843FD7 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:33:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@dnull.com) Received: (qmail 67170 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Dec 2003 08:18:50 -0000 Date: 4 Dec 2003 08:18:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20031204081850.67168.qmail@dnull.com> From: jessem@dnull.com To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: SVBUG Today (12-04-2003) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:33:06 -0000 Announcement for 2003-12-04 Topic: EVEN More Follow up to "Simple Rules for Avoiding Spam". This month, Dec., we are meeting. The meeting will start at 7:00pm. Yes, we are starting early. Directions to the meeting are on the website: http://www.svbug.com/directions/ Please note the special starting time. Thank You Jessem. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 16:18:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEB716A4CE for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41AF43FB1 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:18:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619463D34 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:18:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:18:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FCF887E.7562.4A7C8BE3@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 00:18:27 -0000 Hi folks, Today I was told about freshports.net which was passing itself off as FreshPorts.org and asking for donations. If you sent money there thinking it was going to FreshPorts.org, you may wish to contact Paypal and ask for a refund. To their credit, they removed my material from their website promptly after my request to do so. More information here: http://www.freshports.org/fraud/ -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 17:09:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8B516A4CE for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C756B44015 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:09:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:12:49 -0600 Message-ID: <3FCFDAD0.2030808@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:09:36 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <3FCF887E.7562.4A7C8BE3@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3FCF887E.7562.4A7C8BE3@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 01:12:49.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6730C20:01C3BACC] cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:09:51 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: >Hi folks, > >Today I was told about freshports.net which was passing itself off as >FreshPorts.org and asking for donations. If you sent money there >thinking it was going to FreshPorts.org, you may wish to contact >Paypal and ask for a refund. > >To their credit, they removed my material from their website promptly >after my request to do so. > >More information here: http://www.freshports.org/fraud/ > > > > Youch! Makes me feel better about what happened to me this week. A client we'll call "foochurch" used to be "foochurch.com"; we dropped it some months ago after trouble with NetSol/Verisign and went to "foochurch.org", which is more in line with what a church should be, anyhow. So over the (US) Thanksgiving holiday, some member of theirs hits an outdated bookmark to foochurch.com and sees a teenage girl Sunday School class who forgot to put on their Sunday best...someone's buying expired names and redirecting....darn near thought I'd lose a client when that happened. I'd say you might have a better chance at legal recompense, but lawyers willing to touch International cases are no doubt too much for the average operator's budget. Sure does look like "IP theft" though.... Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 23:43:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7485E16A4CF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnull.com (dnull.com [209.237.44.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5972443FE0 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:43:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@dnull.com) Received: (qmail 7685 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Dec 2003 07:29:01 -0000 Date: 5 Dec 2003 07:29:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20031205072901.7683.qmail@dnull.com> From: jessem@dnull.com To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: SVBUG what happened tonight (12-04-2003) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:43:22 -0000 Announcement for 2003-12-04 Topic: What happened to me tonight. The reflections of a night can at times be beyond one's control. To make it short, I got in a car accident tonight. I am okay, nothing wrong; just a shaken realization. As the CHP officer said, "your still alive". And I am glad of that. My vehicle is totaled and replacement will not be easy. At least not as easy as when I worked in the tech sector. My decision has been and always will be to stay in computers. However, it's a pity that my life decisions are not as good a my technical. (some might argue otherwise). To surmise I'm a bit melancholy, but what's important to you is this: Jon Syrstad of Ampex has confirmed that my findings that using a white list is the key to avoiding spam. He estimates that within a month his job of reviewing the daily SPAM from "8 times a day for legitamite email" to "once". Jon uses a full set of tools and is personally charged by the CEO to reduce SPAM. He has both commercial and open source tools. None have been or will every be as effective as a "white list", consisting of family, friends, business associates and people you really want to talk to. So, as a local company selling cell phone service likes to say, "get off 'their' clock, permission to speak freely". Thank You Jessem. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 00:40:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C9B16A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.157.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962FC43F85 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:40:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (Ugrondar@localhost [127.0.0.1]) hB58eBHL022008; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:40:11 GMT (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: (from Ugrondar@localhost)hB58eBRT022004; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:40:11 GMT (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) X-Authentication-Warning: storm.FreeBSD.org.uk: Ugrondar set sender to mark@grondar.org using -f Received: from grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])hB58ZQDw041749; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:35:26 GMT (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) From: Mark Murray Message-Id: <200312050835.hB58ZQDw041749@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Jesse Monroy In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 05 Dec 2003 00:18:10 PST." <5.2.1.1.0.20031205001711.00a39a10@dnull.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:35:26 +0000 Sender: mark@grondar.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FROM_NO_LOWER,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SVBUG what happened tonight (12-04-2003) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:40:14 -0000 [ Moved to chat ] Jesse Monroy writes: > You are an idiot. Get your head out of your ass. What a wonderfully eloquent response! The sensitivity, the thought and the sprit of compromise is amazing. The composition indicates a rare ability to communicate subtle thoughts with crystal clarity. I am quite choked up. M -- Mark Murray iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 01:26:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2731B16A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32AF43F93 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:26:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 01DCF530C; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:26:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id EA1C05308; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:26:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id C9E4533C6A; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:26:08 +0100 (CET) To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." References: <3FCF887E.7562.4A7C8BE3@localhost> <3FCFDAD0.2030808@daleco.biz> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:26:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3FCFDAD0.2030808@daleco.biz> (Kevin D. Kinsey's message of "Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:09:36 -0600") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.60 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:26:19 -0000 "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." writes: > So over the (US) Thanksgiving holiday, some member of theirs hits an > outdated bookmark to foochurch.com and sees a teenage girl Sunday > School class who forgot to put on their Sunday best...someone's > buying expired names and redirecting....darn near thought I'd lose a > client when that happened. I had a similar experience recently, except that the expired domain used to belong to a previous employer, and a prospective employer found the stale link in my CV. Oops :) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 07:01:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A133516A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0577343FDF for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:01:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com ([81.103.67.204] helo=shrike.submonkey.net ident=mailnull) by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with esmtp (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1ASHSs-0004j0-LK; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:01:54 +0000 Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1ASHSq-000DX9-Dq; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:01:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:01:52 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20031205150152.GM63350@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Dan Langille , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <3FCF887E.7562.4A7C8BE3@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ai3I8gwHc37+ASRI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FCF887E.7562.4A7C8BE3@localhost> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:01:57 -0000 --ai3I8gwHc37+ASRI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:18:22PM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: > Hi folks, >=20 > Today I was told about freshports.net which was passing itself off as=20 > FreshPorts.org and asking for donations. If you sent money there=20 > thinking it was going to FreshPorts.org, you may wish to contact=20 > Paypal and ask for a refund. >=20 > To their credit, they removed my material from their website promptly=20 > after my request to do so. To their credit, absolutely nothing, as far as I'm concerned. This is an outright abuse, and if I were you I'd lodge a complaint with ICANN to get the domain transferred to you. Ceri --=20 --ai3I8gwHc37+ASRI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/0J3gocfcwTS3JF8RAqyKAKCeYnFrYGHgZgokxgwkETdGYmZ09QCfYA2f nM2YtF8hP3DvGprh6GsSSRk= =XDNv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ai3I8gwHc37+ASRI-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 07:26:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9842116A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D8743FE0 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:26:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 3572C530A; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:26:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id CE9855308; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:26:44 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 5B8E033C6A; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:26:44 +0100 (CET) To: Ceri Davies References: <3FCF887E.7562.4A7C8BE3@localhost> <20031205150152.GM63350@submonkey.net> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:26:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20031205150152.GM63350@submonkey.net> (Ceri Davies's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:01:52 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.60 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:26:56 -0000 Ceri Davies writes: > To their credit, absolutely nothing, as far as I'm concerned. This is > an outright abuse, and if I were you I'd lodge a complaint with ICANN to > get the domain transferred to you. The side has been taken down, so it's hard to prove any wrong-doing. If the perps decide to fight the charges, it'll be Dan's word against theirs. The fact that Dan has had freshports.org for two and a half years while freshports.net was only registered two weeks ago would certainly help Dan's case, but I'm not sure that it would be enough. The complaints also cost money. A fraud suit backed with evidence from from PayPal might work, except the perps are in Sweden, so the cost of litigation would be truly horrendous, and it might turn out to be nearly impossible for a Swedish court to subpoena evidence from PayPal. The only practical recourse is for people who have actually donated money to file a complaint with PayPal. From what I've heard, PayPal generally (and summarily) sides with the donor in cases like this. That policy can spell real trouble for the recipient if the complaints are false, but in this case it works to Dan's advantage. Donors would get their money back, and the perps would lose their PayPal account, but not much else would happen. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 07:34:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9089016A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6981443FBD for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807203D32; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:34:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=" Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:34:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FD05F2D.20453.4DC33728@localhost> Priority: normal References: <20031205150152.GM63350@submonkey.net> (Ceri Davies's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:01:52 +0000") In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:34:27 -0000 On 5 Dec 2003 at 16:26, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Ceri Davies writes: > > To their credit, absolutely nothing, as far as I'm concerned. This is > > an outright abuse, and if I were you I'd lodge a complaint with ICANN = to > > get the domain transferred to you. > > The side has been taken down, so it's hard to prove any wrong-doing. There are several witnesses, and screen shots have been stored at http://www.freshports.org/faud/ On a similar note, I just found today, by accident, defcon1.org is also stealing my content. Compare this: http://www.google.com/search?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&oe=3Dutf- 8&q=3D%22correct+way+to+stop+httpd+is%22&btnG=3DGoogle+Search I have just emailed defconf.org to request removal. This is not the first time I've had to do this. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 08:02:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5572316A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta7.adelphia.net (mta7.adelphia.net [68.168.78.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FC443F75 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:02:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([68.68.113.33]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031205153250.SKND14499.mta13.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:32:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3FD0A522.2000502@potentialtech.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:32:50 -0500 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <3FCF887E.7562.4A7C8BE3@localhost> <20031205150152.GM63350@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:02:19 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Ceri Davies writes: > >>To their credit, absolutely nothing, as far as I'm concerned. This is >>an outright abuse, and if I were you I'd lodge a complaint with ICANN to >>get the domain transferred to you. > > The side has been taken down, so it's hard to prove any wrong-doing. > If the perps decide to fight the charges, it'll be Dan's word against > theirs. The fact that Dan has had freshports.org for two and a half > years while freshports.net was only registered two weeks ago would > certainly help Dan's case, but I'm not sure that it would be enough. > The complaints also cost money. > > A fraud suit backed with evidence from from PayPal might work, except > the perps are in Sweden, so the cost of litigation would be truly > horrendous, and it might turn out to be nearly impossible for a > Swedish court to subpoena evidence from PayPal. > > The only practical recourse is for people who have actually donated > money to file a complaint with PayPal. From what I've heard, PayPal > generally (and summarily) sides with the donor in cases like this. > That policy can spell real trouble for the recipient if the complaints > are false, but in this case it works to Dan's advantage. Donors would > get their money back, and the perps would lose their PayPal account, > but not much else would happen. Almost makes me wish I had donated money, so I could help out by complaining! -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 08:17:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C3116A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B575D43F93 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:17:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BC03D28 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:17:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:17:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FD0693F.6350.4DEA8F55@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3FD05F2D.20453.4DC33728@localhost> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:17:25 -0000 On 5 Dec 2003 at 10:34, Dan Langille wrote: > On 5 Dec 2003 at 16:26, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > > > Ceri Davies writes: > > > To their credit, absolutely nothing, as far as I'm concerned. This = is > > > an outright abuse, and if I were you I'd lodge a complaint with ICAN= N to > > > get the domain transferred to you. > > > > The side has been taken down, so it's hard to prove any wrong-doing. > > There are several witnesses, and screen shots have been stored at > http://www.freshports.org/faud/ Typo: http://www.freshports.org/fraud/ -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 08:25:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138AD16A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E629D43F3F for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:25:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([68.68.113.33]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031205162522.HFHH23237.mta9.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:25:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3FD0B16E.3050004@potentialtech.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:25:18 -0500 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <3FD0693F.6350.4DEA8F55@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3FD0693F.6350.4DEA8F55@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:25:21 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: > On 5 Dec 2003 at 10:34, Dan Langille wrote: > >>On 5 Dec 2003 at 16:26, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >> >>>Ceri Davies writes: >>> >>>>To their credit, absolutely nothing, as far as I'm concerned. This is >>>>an outright abuse, and if I were you I'd lodge a complaint with ICANN to >>>>get the domain transferred to you. >>> >>>The side has been taken down, so it's hard to prove any wrong-doing. >> >>There are several witnesses, and screen shots have been stored at >>http://www.freshports.org/faud/ > > Typo: http://www.freshports.org/fraud/ It seems like Gabriel is either ignorant of what constitutes fraud and theft, or is very clever at pretending to be ignorant once he's caught. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 08:39:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C47916A4CF for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B2243F93 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:39:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07663D28; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:39:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Bill Moran Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:39:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FD06E8C.19927.4DFF43B0@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3FD0B16E.3050004@potentialtech.com> References: <3FD0693F.6350.4DEA8F55@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:39:58 -0000 On 5 Dec 2003 at 11:25, Bill Moran wrote: > It seems like Gabriel is either ignorant of what constitutes fraud and > theft, or is very clever at pretending to be ignorant once he's caught. Well, I think the latter. Have a look around http://www.finito.net/ and you'll find more stolen content. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 09:42:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE3116A4CE; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from amsfep13-int.chello.nl (amsfep13-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D881243F93; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:42:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dodell@sitetronics.com) Received: from sitetronics.com ([213.46.143.85]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl ESMTP <20031205174203.KAIB28766.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@sitetronics.com>; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:42:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:42:01 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Devon H.O'Dell In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5518C2AA-274A-11D8-B8AD-000502C708CB@sitetronics.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what's unix and what's not X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:42:08 -0000 On Friday, December 5, 2003, at 06:38 PM, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: >> Perhaps the moderator(s) could create a FreeBSD General Discussion >> list? > > There is the "chat" list. > > Jeremy C. Reed > http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ > Yes, and this would be a perfect place for the discussion to continue -- sorry; I forgot about it initally. Note to involved/affected parties: when using reply-all, please remove freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org from the Cc: field ;P --Devon From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 10:09:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F8116A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA9F43FE3 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:09:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1ASKOA-00020D-00; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:09:14 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:09:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Dan Langille In-Reply-To: <3FD05F2D.20453.4DC33728@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:09:35 -0000 On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Dan Langille wrote: > On a similar note, I just found today, by accident, defcon1.org is > also stealing my content. Compare this: > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf- > 8&q=%22correct+way+to+stop+httpd+is%22&btnG=Google+Search > > I have just emailed defconf.org to request removal. This is not the > first time I've had to do this. Over the past three or four years, I have various different websites republish my content without my permission. Some with my by-line and some without any attribution. When asked, they have politely removed my content. Sometimes, I wonder if some website makers (I don't use the term "editor") don't understand about reusing content. Another thing that is strange, is that an online media company that I worked for a couple years ago, put my by-line on a variety of articles that I never even wrote (or knew nothing about until a couple months ago). I think it may have accidently been done when they migrated some websites (and maybe when the article was missing a by-line it used the previous one since they forgot to blank it out). Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 10:28:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D289916A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from tx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk (tx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB69843F85 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from scan1.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.166] helo=localhost) by tx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASKgw-0000b4-Iz for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:28:38 +0000 Received: from rx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.165]) by localhost (scan1.oucs.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.166]) (amavisd-new, port 25) with ESMTP id 02286-01 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:28:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.161.253]) by rx1.oucs.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASKgw-0000a4-3t for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:28:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 28886 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2003 18:28:38 -0000 Received: from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk by gateway by uid 71 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.71. spamassassin: 2.53. Clear:. Processed in 1.596264 secs); 05 Dec 2003 18:28:38 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk via gateway X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.16 (Clear:. Processed in 1.596264 secs) Received: from dhcp1131.wadham.ox.ac.uk (HELO piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk) (163.1.161.131) by gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 18:28:36 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20031205181830.03340f98@popserver.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@popserver.sfu.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:25:30 +0000 To: "Jeremy C. Reed" , Dan Langille From: Colin Percival In-Reply-To: References: <3FD05F2D.20453.4DC33728@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:28:41 -0000 At 10:09 05/12/2003 -0800, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: >Over the past three or four years, I have various different websites >republish my content without my permission. Some with my by-line and some >without any attribution. When asked, they have politely removed my >content. Sometimes, I wonder if some website makers (I don't use the term >"editor") don't understand about reusing content. I had the same experience with my BSDCon paper about FreeBSD Update; net-security.org misappropriated it (and even managed to get a link from the news section of the FreeBSD website). Now, they did remove it about 6 hours after I complained, but they didn't really seem to understand that republishing my paper without my permission was illegal. Meanwhile, fma.com seems to have decided to squat on daemonology.com, in reaction to my use of the .net. A waste of $10/year (or whatever domain registration costs these days) if you ask me; most people can't even *spell* daemonology, let alone enter the .com by mistake. Colin Percival From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 10:34:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0622E16A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8016A43FCB for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:34:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FCC3D28; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:34:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Colin Percival Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:34:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FD0895E.25670.4E680A02@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.1.20031205181830.03340f98@popserver.sfu.ca> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:34:35 -0000 On 5 Dec 2003 at 18:25, Colin Percival wrote: > Meanwhile, fma.com seems to have decided to squat on daemonology.com, in > reaction to my use of the .net. A waste of $10/year (or whatever domain > registration costs these days) if you ask me; most people can't even > *spell* daemonology, let alone enter the .com by mistake. freshports.com has been around a long time... I actually think I had freshports.net at one time. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/