From owner-freebsd-emulation Sun Jan 12 1: 2:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC4E37B401 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl (pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl [217.97.36.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7922F43EB2 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:02:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michal@pasternak.w.lub.pl) Received: (qmail 4118 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Jan 2003 08:57:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:57:42 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Pasternak To: Julian Elischer Cc: emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vmware and turbotax Message-ID: <20030112085742.GA12052@pasternak.w.lub.pl> Reply-To: Michal Pasternak References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Julian Elischer [Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 11:05:07PM -0800]: > > I have vmware working on my current box and windows 98 (that I got with > this laptop) runs fine, but turbotax doesn't run. It seems to work > onthe native hardware. (dammit I have to boot windows). Does anyone have > any ideas about what they might be trying to do that can tell the > difference? Is it windows program? Have you tried to run it on wine with native windows DLLs ? -- mp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Sun Jan 12 15: 3:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31EA37B401 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from CRWdog.demon.co.uk (adsl-66-123-232-98.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net [66.123.232.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049A343F3F for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:03:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spadger@best.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by CRWdog.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007A19E; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:03:40 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Julian Elischer Cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vmware and turbotax In-Reply-To: Message from Julian Elischer of "Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:05:07 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:03:40 -0800 From: Andy Sparrow Message-Id: <20030112230341.007A19E@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I have vmware working on my current box and windows 98 (that I got with > this laptop) runs fine, but turbotax doesn't run. Hmmm, it's worked for me on -STABLE for the last 3 years, if that's any help... Haven't tried this year's software yet. > It seems to work > onthe native hardware. (dammit I have to boot windows). Does anyone have > any ideas about what they might be trying to do that can tell the > difference? The only software I've encountered that won't run under VMWare is the Sybex CCNA Virtual Lab, which believes that its running under a debugger, complains, and won't run. The CCNP Virtual Lab (which Sybex provided as a replacement, after I complained), however, works fine. Cheers, AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Sun Jan 12 15:20:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB62C37B401 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3851E43F1E for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garycor@comcast.net) Received: from comcast.net (bgp423316bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net [68.36.187.78]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H8M00EA4JIE3Y@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for emulation@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:20:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:21:42 -0500 From: Gary Corcoran Subject: Re: vmware and turbotax To: Andy Sparrow , Julian Elischer Cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <3E21F886.A839D5AA@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20030112230341.007A19E@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andy Sparrow wrote: > > > > > I have vmware working on my current box and windows 98 (that I got with > > this laptop) runs fine, but turbotax doesn't run. > > Hmmm, it's worked for me on -STABLE for the last 3 years, if that's any > help... > > Haven't tried this year's software yet. > > > It seems to work > > onthe native hardware. (dammit I have to boot windows). Does anyone have > > any ideas about what they might be trying to do that can tell the > > difference? I read a news article about this year's TurboTax. Seems they've incorporated "product activation", like Microsoft, which not only wants to low-level probe your hardware, but which will also keep you from moving your tax records to another machine down the road (since you won't have an activation code for the new machine). Not only that, I read today that the bastards also go and install some viral-ware called C-Dilla that constantly runs to monitor your CD-RW actitivities, to disallow the copying of the installation CD. Seems that it not only sucks up some CPU, but can interfere with other CD-RW activities as well. Unless you like this kind of crap, I'd suggest boycotting TurboTax (or returning it if you already bought it - if you can). Full story here: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,821479,00.asp Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Mon Jan 13 11:49:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071BA37B401 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509EC43F18 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:49:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org (12-232-168-4.client.attbi.com[12.232.168.4]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <2003011319494200300ldkppe>; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:49:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA72098; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:49:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:49:38 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Pasternak Cc: emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vmware and turbotax In-Reply-To: <20030112085742.GA12052@pasternak.w.lub.pl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, [iso-8859-2] Micha=B3 Pasternak wrote: > Julian Elischer [Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 11:05:07PM -0800]: > >=20 > > I have vmware working on my current box and windows 98 (that I got with > > this laptop) runs fine, but turbotax doesn't run. It seems to work > > onthe native hardware. (dammit I have to boot windows). Does anyone hav= e > > any ideas about what they might be trying to do that can tell the > > difference? >=20 > Is it windows program? Have you tried to run it on wine with > native windows DLLs ? it is a windows program.. I am just intrested that somehow this program can tell that it is not on real hardware.. interesting.. >=20 > --=20 > mp >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Mon Jan 13 12: 4:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C81F37B401 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC74043F3F for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:04:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org (12-232-168-4.client.attbi.com[12.232.168.4]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with ESMTP id <20030113200410051007r482e>; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:04:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA72258; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:04:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:04:08 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Andy Sparrow Cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vmware and turbotax In-Reply-To: <20030112230341.007A19E@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Andy Sparrow wrote: > > > > I have vmware working on my current box and windows 98 (that I got with > > this laptop) runs fine, but turbotax doesn't run. > > Hmmm, it's worked for me on -STABLE for the last 3 years, if that's any > help... Yeah mine ran the last few years as well, just not the new one.. stops immediatly with some error (I forget.. something descriptive like: V-C++ error > > Haven't tried this year's software yet. it won't run under vmware 2.0.. no idea about 3.x > > > It seems to work > > onthe native hardware. (dammit I have to boot windows). Does anyone have > > any ideas about what they might be trying to do that can tell the > > difference? > > The only software I've encountered that won't run under VMWare is the > Sybex CCNA Virtual Lab, which believes that its running under a > debugger, complains, and won't run. > > The CCNP Virtual Lab (which Sybex provided as a replacement, after I > complained), however, works fine. I might ask intuit. > > Cheers, > > AS > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Mon Jan 13 14:28: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A8937B401 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from birch.ripe.net (birch.ripe.net [193.0.1.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F50343F13 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:27:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marks@ripe.net) Received: from laptop.6bone.nl (cow.ripe.net [193.0.1.239]) by birch.ripe.net (8.12.5/8.11.6) with SMTP id h0DMROvP013330; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:27:24 +0100 Received: (nullmailer pid 35597 invoked by uid 1000); Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:26:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:26:53 +0100 From: Mark Santcroos To: Julian Elischer Cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vmware and turbotax Message-ID: <20030113222653.GM628@laptop.6bone.nl> References: <20030112230341.007A19E@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Handles: MS6-6BONE, MS18417-RIPE Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 12:04:08PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > Yeah mine ran the last few years as well, > just not the new one.. > > stops immediatly with some error (I forget.. something descriptive like: I don't know the program, but do you need a license or an activator for it? (My question is: is it copy protection or something else?) It could check for some things; cpuid, mac address, that sort of stuff. What was that windows debugger called? WinIce or something like that? You could give it a try to run it in there to find out what it is doing. Mark -- Mark Santcroos RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.ripe.net/home/mark/ New Projects Group/TTM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Mon Jan 13 15:40:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AD537B401 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3170C43EB2 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:40:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org (12-232-168-4.client.attbi.com[12.232.168.4]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with ESMTP id <2003011323404605100pni7te>; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:40:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA73918; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:40:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:40:44 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Mark Santcroos Cc: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vmware and turbotax In-Reply-To: <20030113222653.GM628@laptop.6bone.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Mark Santcroos wrote: > On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 12:04:08PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > Yeah mine ran the last few years as well, > > just not the new one.. > > > > stops immediatly with some error (I forget.. something descriptive like: > > I don't know the program, but do you need a license or an activator for > it? (My question is: is it copy protection or something else?) > It could check for some things; cpuid, mac address, that sort of stuff. yes it has an activator and I thinkit is doing something like that. However it would be interesting what cpuid-type instruction vmware doesn't do, considering that win98 works and IT has similar activation. > > What was that windows debugger called? WinIce or something like that? > You could give it a try to run it in there to find out what it is doing. possibly but at present I have it running on the raw hardware and I'll just buy the competition next year. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Santcroos RIPE Network Coordination Centre > http://www.ripe.net/home/mark/ New Projects Group/TTM > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-emulation Tue Jan 14 9:28:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F5B37B401 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:28:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.cognigen.net (gw.cognigen.net [209.67.6.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C41D43F13 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:28:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grumple@zaphon.llamas.net) Received: by gw.cognigen.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 69967159A5; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:28:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:28:25 -0800 From: Greg Rumple To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: VMWare 3.0 Message-ID: <20030114172825.GA52664@gw.cognigen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay it's been just a month shy of a year since this has been brought up (at least my searching of the archives show the last date as 2-26-2002), but is anyone working on 3.0? I feel were really starting to fall behind the times here stuck on 2.0 (and for that matter, I'm glad I've been using VMWare long enough to still have a 2.0 license, as I'm sure you can't get one anymore). So any updates? Greg -- Greg Rumple grumple@zaphon.llamas.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message