From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 29 02:36:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2806037B401; Thu, 29 May 2003 02:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2A743FA3; Thu, 29 May 2003 02:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E08E66B9B; Thu, 29 May 2003 02:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07858AFB; Thu, 29 May 2003 02:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:36:51 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: re@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030529093651.GA97272@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Uploading i386 packages for 5.1-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:36:53 -0000 --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'm uploading i386 packages for 5.1-R to ftp-master. I might still end up sliding some tags if people get back to me with fixes in time, but that will only mean rebuilding a handful of packages. alpha packages should be ready tomorrow or so, sparc64 might still take a few days, and ia64 is nowhere in sight because the machines are crashing so much that no packages are getting built. FYI, I didn't remove the NO_CDROM packages from the i386 set - anyone who takes these packages for a CD set needs to weed out those themselves (the disc 1 split is not a problem since those packages are all resellable). I have a script that does this if anyone needs it. Kris --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+1dSzWry0BWjoQKURAu3NAKDqEdT67ZoURMwAW9BnKaQHqvgJGwCgqYHx B7Xe8g0DNv11C620N2C5pYE= =pbLw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 29 13:24:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343A237B401; Thu, 29 May 2003 13:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5F843F3F; Thu, 29 May 2003 13:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (qlwxkl@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4TKOiB5056778; Thu, 29 May 2003 22:24:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h4TKOhIa056776; Thu, 29 May 2003 22:24:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200305292024.h4TKOhIa056776@lurza.secnetix.de> To: kris@obsecurity.org (Kris Kennaway) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:24:43 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20030529093651.GA97272@rot13.obsecurity.org> from "Kris Kennaway" at May 29, 2003 02:36:51 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: re@freebsd.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Uploading i386 packages for 5.1-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:24:48 -0000 Hi, Kris Kennaway wrote: > I'm uploading i386 packages for 5.1-R to ftp-master. Still no packages in sight (almost 12 hours later) ... Any ETA? > FYI, I didn't remove the NO_CDROM packages from the i386 set - anyone > who takes these packages for a CD set needs to weed out those > themselves (the disc 1 split is not a problem since those packages are > all resellable). Except for Germany, where CD #1 cannot be sold as-is, because of the games on it (kdegames etc.). :-( But of course, that's not your fault. > I have a script that does this if anyone needs it. Could be helpful indeed (I don't feel like re-inventing the wheel). Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." -- God in Futurama season 4 episode 8 From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 29 14:17:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEC937B401 for ; Thu, 29 May 2003 14:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from franky.speednet.com.au (franky.speednet.com.au [203.57.65.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024B743F3F for ; Thu, 29 May 2003 14:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from hewey.af.speednet.com.au (hewey.af.speednet.com.au [203.38.96.242])h4TLHjxe013704; Fri, 30 May 2003 07:17:46 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from hewey.af.speednet.com.au (hewey.af.speednet.com.au [172.22.2.1])h4TLHiUN045789; Fri, 30 May 2003 07:17:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:17:43 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-X-Sender: andyf@hewey.af.speednet.com.au To: Oliver Fromme In-Reply-To: <200305292024.h4TKOhIa056776@lurza.secnetix.de> Message-ID: <20030530071545.V45590-100000@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Uploading i386 packages for 5.1-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:17:49 -0000 On Thu, 29 May 2003, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Except for Germany, where CD #1 cannot be sold as-is, > because of the games on it (kdegames etc.). :-( Could you briefly elaborate please? Sounds odd, even for a super-censored society like us Aussies... -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 29 14:41:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E3637B404; Thu, 29 May 2003 14:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80C843F75; Thu, 29 May 2003 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9488866CFB; Thu, 29 May 2003 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 892C6AFD; Thu, 29 May 2003 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:41:24 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <20030529214124.GA271@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030529093651.GA97272@rot13.obsecurity.org> <200305292024.h4TKOhIa056776@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jI8keyz6grp/JLjh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200305292024.h4TKOhIa056776@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: re@freebsd.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Uploading i386 packages for 5.1-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:41:25 -0000 --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 10:24:43PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > I'm uploading i386 packages for 5.1-R to ftp-master. >=20 > Still no packages in sight (almost 12 hours later) ... > Any ETA? Grr, the rsync transfer stalled overnight. > > FYI, I didn't remove the NO_CDROM packages from the i386 set - anyone > > who takes these packages for a CD set needs to weed out those > > themselves (the disc 1 split is not a problem since those packages are > > all resellable). >=20 > Except for Germany, where CD #1 cannot be sold as-is, > because of the games on it (kdegames etc.). :-( > But of course, that's not your fault. Hmm, odd :( > > I have a script that does this if anyone needs it. >=20 > Could be helpful indeed (I don't feel like re-inventing the > wheel). http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/cdrom-5.1.sh Kris --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+1n6DWry0BWjoQKURAqhnAKD+juXR1egc3jRgm7yiNPWwmtoz0wCg8T6Y CAFrLWCsL7msZlhunIi+ZdM= =f7pd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 30 00:57:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B9C37B401 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 00:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAC943F3F for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 00:57:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from langd@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Received: from mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.254.8]) by mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49206630B; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:56:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A8F76F; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:57:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 04955-07; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:57:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: from atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.42.129]) by mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E6A76B; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:57:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: by atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 20455) id DB73113735; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:56:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:56:57 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: Andy Farkas Message-ID: <20030530075657.GA34283@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <200305292024.h4TKOhIa056776@lurza.secnetix.de> <20030530071545.V45590-100000@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030530071545.V45590-100000@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.tu-muenchen.de cc: Oliver Fromme cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Uploading i386 packages for 5.1-R X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:57:09 -0000 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Andy Farkas wrote on Fri, May 30, 2003 at 07:17:43AM +1000: [..] > > Except for Germany, where CD #1 cannot be sold as-is, > > because of the games on it (kdegames etc.). :-( >=20 > Could you briefly elaborate please? Sounds odd, even for a super-censored > society like us Aussies... [..] AFAIK, due to recent changes in the laws for juvenile protection, computer games need a FSK[1] like label, just as movies/videos/DVDs, if and how these games are suitable for persons of what age. The problem is _all_ games need that, no matter if violent or not, and of course the examination and the label itself cost. I think the matter is still in discussion, so hopefully the=20 this will be adapted to a less ridicilous and useless measure. For instance, the ancient game "Pong" would now be illegal, because it will never get the label, but violent game demos, which are downloaded are legal. ;) This resulted from blind, quick action due to public demand after the school massacre of Erfurt, where Counter-Strike was bashed as a possible cause. 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Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E830837B401; Sat, 31 May 2003 06:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic-mail.adaptec.com [208.236.45.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CDD43FAF; Sat, 31 May 2003 06:04:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott_long@btc.adaptec.com) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4VCxPZ10372; Sat, 31 May 2003 05:59:25 -0700 Received: from btc.adaptec.com (hollin.btc.adaptec.com [10.100.253.56]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8p2+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27101; Sat, 31 May 2003 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ED8A845.8000006@btc.adaptec.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 07:04:05 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: re-builders@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: re@freebsd.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: 5.1-RC1 building X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:04:18 -0000 Builders, The RELENG_5_1 branch is ready for building RC1. I'll build i386 and alpha; can the usual others please build sparc64, pc98, etc? Thanks! Hubs, I'm hoping to get the i386 bits up quickly, likely within the next 24 hours. I'm torn on whether to remove the BETA2 bits right away. How is everyone doing on space? Scott From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 07:47:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EAE37B401; Sat, 31 May 2003 07:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic-mail.adaptec.com [208.236.45.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA1143F3F; Sat, 31 May 2003 07:47:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott_long@btc.adaptec.com) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4VEgrZ04686; Sat, 31 May 2003 07:42:53 -0700 Received: from btc.adaptec.com (hollin.btc.adaptec.com [10.100.253.56]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8p2+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19648; Sat, 31 May 2003 07:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ED8C082.1080405@btc.adaptec.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 08:47:30 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hubs@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: re@freebsd.org Subject: Coordinating and distributing the release X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:47:46 -0000 Hubs, After 5.0 we discussed ways to coordinate the release so that iso images could fully propogate to the mirrors before before they were available to the public. However, I'm not sure if a decision was ever made. Is this still a reasonable goal? Can it be done using unix file permissions? If so, how do we propagate out the file permission change quickly? Another idea that came to mind in talking with others is investigating using BitTorrent to augment the distribution of iso images. For those not familiar, it's a distributed file sharing protocol that specializes in balancing loads between every node so that everyone who is downloading also contributes upload bandwidth to others. It seems to be catching on quite quickly with the linux iso people since it has a net effect of reducing bandwidth load on the primary mirrors. For those that are interested, go to http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/index.html Thanks! Scott From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 09:13:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBA737B401; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic-mail.adaptec.com [208.236.45.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F9743F3F; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott_long@btc.adaptec.com) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4VG8ZZ14201; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:08:35 -0700 Received: from btc.adaptec.com (hollin.btc.adaptec.com [10.100.253.56]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8p2+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07887; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ED8D49C.40804@btc.adaptec.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 10:13:16 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mirror-maintainer@mirror.averse.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: re@freebsd.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Coordinating and distributing the release X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:13:28 -0000 mirror-maintainer@mirror.averse.net wrote: > (mail was NOT cc'ed to hubs@ and re@ as the freebsd.org MX refuses to > accept mail when my IP has no PTR record) > > On Sat, 31 May 2003, Scott Long wrote: > > >>After 5.0 we discussed ways to coordinate the release so that iso images >>could fully propogate to the mirrors before before they were available >>to the public. However, I'm not sure if a decision was ever made. Is >>this still a reasonable goal? Can it be done using unix file >>permissions? If so, how do we propagate out the file permission change >>quickly? > > > Would this mean that secondary mirrors (those who don't have direct access > to one of the ftp-masters) won't be able to obtain the files too? > Can we just enable :archive 0770 on the files/directories and have them safely propogate out to all of the mirrors that way, while still leaving them invisible to normal visitors? I certainly do not want to exclude the secondary mirrors. > >>Another idea that came to mind in talking with others is investigating >>using BitTorrent to augment the distribution of iso images. For those >>not familiar, it's a distributed file sharing protocol that specializes >>in balancing loads between every node so that everyone who is >>downloading also contributes upload bandwidth to others. It seems to be >>catching on quite quickly with the linux iso people since it has a net >>effect of reducing bandwidth load on the primary mirrors. For those >>that are interested, go to http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/index.html > > > I'm open to running a btdownloader. > > From what I know about about BitTorrent, the person who I upload > to/download from is essentially randomly selected from all the people > using a particular tracker. This means that we wouldn't be localising > traffic to the region of each mirror - which may or may not be a goal. > > ftp.sg > > I'm not sure if localizing traffic is good or not. Like I said, its' popularity is defintely growing in the linux iso area. Scott From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 10:31:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955F237B401; Sat, 31 May 2003 10:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DF643F3F; Sat, 31 May 2003 10:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4VHVbVo079329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 May 2003 13:31:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4VHVbA0079326; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:31:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:31:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200305311731.h4VHVbA0079326@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <3ED8D49C.40804@btc.adaptec.com> References: <3ED8D49C.40804@btc.adaptec.com> X-Spam-Score: -19.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: re@freebsd.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Coordinating and distributing the release X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:31:41 -0000 < said: > Can we just enable :archive 0770 on the files/directories and have > them safely propogate out to all of the mirrors that way, while still > leaving them invisible to normal visitors? I certainly do not want to > exclude the secondary mirrors. Not reliably, since users and groups are not standardized across all the mirrors. (For example, a 770-mode file on my mirror would only be readable by members of group `mirror', which has only one member, the user `mirror'. rsyncd and cvsupd run under different users and groups.) However, I think it may well be good enough, and the intermediate mirror operators can deal if you give them enough advance notice as to how the release will be handled. -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 12:49:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4FE37B401; Sat, 31 May 2003 12:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mailbox.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA7343F3F; Sat, 31 May 2003 12:49:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from dialin202.cc.univie.ac.at (dialin202.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.202.202]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h4VJnJvH136812; Sat, 31 May 2003 21:49:23 +0200 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:49:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <3ED8C082.1080405@btc.adaptec.com> Message-ID: <20030531213844.D591@korben.in.tern> References: <3ED8C082.1080405@btc.adaptec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: mx1 4261; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 cc: re@freebsd.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Coordinating and distributing the release X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:49:37 -0000 On Sat, 31 May 2003, Scott Long wrote: > After 5.0 we discussed ways to coordinate the release so that iso images > could fully propogate to the mirrors before before they were available > to the public. However, I'm not sure if a decision was ever made. Is > this still a reasonable goal? I would say yes, and not just for the ISOs, but also for the complete release tree. So people can't jump the gun and shout "hey, 5.1 is out" (can you say "slashdot"?) before it is released officially. > Can it be done using unix file permissions? I guess so. The RedHat mirrors use this scheme. They rsync from one master server, where you have to be registered, and they set their directory permissions to 0700 and flip the bit when the release is out. (The exact time when this will happen is announced on the mailing list.) Of course, this only works if the owner of the files is different from the ftpd user. > Another idea that came to mind in talking with others is investigating > using BitTorrent to augment the distribution of iso images. For those Actually, I guess I won't use BitTorrent, although it sounds interesting. I'm happy with the performance that we get from ftp-master.cz, and as soon as the files are there I can have them within half an hour. Other mirrors are welcome to use us as upstream servers. regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 12:53:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B9437B404; Sat, 31 May 2003 12:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mailbox.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9714043F93; Sat, 31 May 2003 12:53:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from dialin202.cc.univie.ac.at (dialin202.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.202.202]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h4VJr5vH192428; Sat, 31 May 2003 21:53:07 +0200 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:53:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <3ED8A845.8000006@btc.adaptec.com> Message-ID: <20030531215116.S591@korben.in.tern> References: <3ED8A845.8000006@btc.adaptec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: mx1 4261; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 cc: re@freebsd.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.1-RC1 building X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:53:22 -0000 On Sat, 31 May 2003, Scott Long wrote: > Hubs, > > I'm hoping to get the i386 bits up quickly, likely within the next 24 > hours. I'm torn on whether to remove the BETA2 bits right away. How > is everyone doing on space? I'd vote for removing the BETA2 bits when RC1 is uploaded. Or is anybody interested in BETA2 once RC1 is available? I don't think so. regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 31 13:30:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279A637B401; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic-mail.adaptec.com [208.236.45.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9240743F3F; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott_long@btc.adaptec.com) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4VKPYZ14135; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:25:34 -0700 Received: from btc.adaptec.com (hollin.btc.adaptec.com [10.100.253.56]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8p2+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11650; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ED910D5.7070102@btc.adaptec.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:30:13 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long References: <3ED8A845.8000006@btc.adaptec.com> In-Reply-To: <3ED8A845.8000006@btc.adaptec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: re@freebsd.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: re-builders@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.1-RC1 building X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:30:28 -0000 Scott Long wrote: > Builders, > > The RELENG_5_1 branch is ready for building RC1. I'll build i386 and > alpha; can the usual others please build sparc64, pc98, etc? Thanks! > > Hubs, > > I'm hoping to get the i386 bits up quickly, likely within the next 24 > hours. I'm torn on whether to remove the BETA2 bits right away. How > is everyone doing on space? > > Scott I've finally started the i386 and alpha builds. The line I used is: make release BUILDNAME=5.1-RC1 CHROOTDIR=/usr1/release CVSROOT=/usr1/ncvs RELEASETAG=RELENG_5_1