From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 30 18:39:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519E937B401 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from methodius.lutgen.net (methodius.lutgen.net [209.181.202.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 74C6D43FD7 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@lutgen.net) Received: (qmail 19126 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2003 01:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.lutgen.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 2003 01:39:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:39:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Lutgen To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: USWx.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:39:03 -0000 Hi All, Who all is in charge of the usw boxen now? I used to do some on site admin work on them when I worked there and want to get in touch with the freebsd people that now handle them to get some stuff transitioned. Any help you all can give would be appreciated. Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___ Mark M. Lutgen /___\ mark@lutgen.net AIM: adeo888 (o\ | /o) http://www.lutgen.net/ ICQ: 126564382 U """ U http://www.churchdocs.org/ "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty." John F. Kennedy From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 30 22:32:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8B737B401 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A7443FBF for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h615Wlbr020372 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 01:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h615Wluh020371 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 01:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 01:32:47 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030701053247.GB19346@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Amount of stuff to upload X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 05:32:49 -0000 The re@ folks have begun to look at the Draft Release Guide and had a few questions. One was whether it's better to have fewer large uploads or more smaller uploads. Any thoughts? -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 1 00:31:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694CD37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664CA44003 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:31:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from langd@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:31:02 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030701073102.GC77826@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <20030701053247.GB19346@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030701053247.GB19346@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.tu-muenchen.de cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Amount of stuff to upload X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:31:05 -0000 --DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Ken Smith wrote on Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 01:32:47AM -0400: >=20 > The re@ folks have begun to look at the Draft Release Guide and had a > few questions. One was whether it's better to have fewer large uploads > or more smaller uploads. Any thoughts? Depends on the interval between the uploads, we are talking about. I would say, more smaller uploads are better. The worst thing to sync are always the package trees. They seem to take ages, and this is always a big chunk. Releases and ISOs are harmless. I have no clue how to split up the package trees, though.... Maybe by letter and have them synced in a few consecutive days? Like: first day packages starting with a-g, 2nd h-m, etc. Of course the letters should be chosen to match the distribution of packages, to have sets of roughly equal size. It should not take longer than 5 days, I'd say. Best regards, Daniel --=20 IRCnet: Mr-Spock - ceterum censeo Microsoftinem esse delendam - =20 Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * +49 89 289 18532 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/ --DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIIXgAYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIXcTCCF20CAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC FUAwggbMMIIFtKADAgECAgIVezANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCBpjELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxETAP BgNVBAcTCE11ZW5jaGVuMSkwJwYDVQQKEyBUZWNobmlzY2hlIFVuaXZlcnNpdGFldCBNdWVu Y2hlbjEiMCAGA1UECxMZRmFrdWx0YWV0IGZ1ZXIgSW5mb3JtYXRpazEYMBYGA1UEAxMPUkJH LUJlbnV0emVyLUNBMRswGQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFgxjYUBpbi50dW0uZGUwHhcNMDMwNTIwMTIz MTQyWhcNMDQwNTIxMDAwMDAwWjCBqzELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxETAPBgNVBAcTCE11ZW5jaGVu MSkwJwYDVQQKEyBUZWNobmlzY2hlIFVuaXZlcnNpdGFldCBNdWVuY2hlbjEiMCAGA1UECxMZ RmFrdWx0YWV0IGZ1ZXIgSW5mb3JtYXRpazEUMBIGA1UEAxMLRGFuaWVsIExhbmcxJDAiBgkq hkiG9w0BCQEWFWRhbmllbC5sYW5nQGluLnR1bS5kZTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAw 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mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1556337B401 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFDA43F75 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:52:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (crytyt@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h617qqB5099329; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:52:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h617qpqN099327; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:52:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200307010752.h617qpqN099327@lurza.secnetix.de> To: dl@leo.org (Daniel Lang) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:52:51 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20030701073102.GC77826@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Daniel Lang" at Jul 01, 2003 09:31:02 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: Amount of stuff to upload X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:52:58 -0000 Daniel Lang wrote: > I would say, more smaller uploads are better. The worst thing > to sync are always the package trees. They seem to take ages, > and this is always a big chunk. Releases and ISOs are harmless. > > I have no clue how to split up the package trees, though.... > Maybe by letter and have them synced in a few consecutive days? > Like: first day packages starting with a-g, 2nd h-m, etc. > Of course the letters should be chosen to match the distribution > of packages, to have sets of roughly equal size. > It should not take longer than 5 days, I'd say. Uhm, maybe I'm missing the point here, but what exactly is the problem with the package trees? I usually mirror a new package tree at once (using FTP, not CVSup), and it only takes a few hours. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law, from Profiles of the Future From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 1 04:57:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8599D37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 04:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF05444035 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 04:57:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h61BvMbr025389 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h61BvMa5025388 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:57:21 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030701115721.GB24724@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030701073102.GC77826@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <200307010752.h617qpqN099327@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200307010752.h617qpqN099327@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Amount of stuff to upload X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 11:57:23 -0000 On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 09:52:51AM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Uhm, maybe I'm missing the point here, but what exactly is > the problem with the package trees? I usually mirror a new > package tree at once (using FTP, not CVSup), and it only > takes a few hours. My initial answer to re@ about this was that I didn't think there would be concensus on the answer but I'd ask. I think peoples' experiences/pain/etc. with the packages varies which is why I thought the answers will vary. For what it's worth if there is a large-ish package update the transfer of the ports/ section takes my system anywhere from six to ten hours and that's an rsync from here to ftp12 (UIUC, I haven't verified it but that should be I-2...). For now think in the context of prepping for a release, because I think day-to-day stuff is a bit different (if you want we can work on trying to get that adjusted later as a separate thing, I don't know if it's as big a problem yet). Would you agree that everything they could post except for what is in the ports tree as they prep for a release (and as Betas/RCs are posted) is stuff they don't need to pay any special attention to, and that it's only the stuff in the ports/ area that tends to choke things? They would like the Betas/RCs to get as widely distributed as possible within 2 to 3 days. Is that possible as long as it doesn't involve ports/ updates? I asked if they handle the announcements about the Betas/RCs in a less public forum than announce@. IMO it might not hurt to admit to that group a tiering structure and tell them what the Tier-1 servers are. Personally I think it might be best to not acknowledge this tiering structure to a wide audience so they make their decisions on what sites to get stuff from based on other things ("closeness"). -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 1 05:28:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A98037B401 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 05:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genius.tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FC043FE3 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 05:28:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@genius.tao.org.uk) Received: by genius.tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id D43E542A6; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:27:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:27:54 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Mark Lutgen Message-ID: <20030701122754.GA15183@genius.tao.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Josef Karthauser , Mark Lutgen , freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USWx.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:28:05 -0000 --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 08:39:00PM -0500, Mark Lutgen wrote: > Hi All, >=20 > Who all is in charge of the usw boxen now? I used to do some on site admin > work on them when I worked there and want to get in touch with the freebsd > people that now handle them to get some stuff transitioned. Any help you > all can give would be appreciated. >=20 Email admin@FreeBSD.org. Joe --=20 Josef Karthauser (joe@tao.org.uk) http://www.josef-k.net/ FreeBSD (cvs meister, admin and hacker) http://www.uk.FreeBSD.org/ Physics Particle Theory (student) http://www.pact.cpes.sussex.ac.uk/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D An eclectic mix of fact an= d theory. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAj8BfkoACgkQXVIcjOaxUBYT4ACghdZuwgpRwhfKtBulyRg3hzqX 02YAnAzOfJc5+jU01OaElPB184X3kLDR =bgRM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 1 10:26:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEEC37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9E643FF5 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:26:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h61HQq4U093244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:26:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id h61HQqtP093243; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:26:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:26:52 +0200 From: Rudolf Cejka To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030701172652.GA91388@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <20030701073102.GC77826@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <200307010752.h617qpqN099327@lurza.secnetix.de> <20030701115721.GB24724@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030701115721.GB24724@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Amount of stuff to upload X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:26:59 -0000 Ken Smith wrote (2003/07/01): > My initial answer to re@ about this was that I didn't think there > would be concensus on the answer but I'd ask. I think peoples' > experiences/pain/etc. with the packages varies which is why I > thought the answers will vary. I think there is not a problem in few larger against more smaller. There is a problem in a limited mirroring throughput, which is furthermore hard to predict. It does not matter so much if there is more smaller or few larger - if any portion of ftp archive is updated and it has to be distributed as soon as possible, any other ftp updates should be simply delayed, so that mirrors have time to update it and do not start to update not so important parts. And as I think, it is hard to say any time limits - the better way is simply to check, if datas are distributed on sufficient number of observed mirrors, so that other parts of ftp archive can be updated. For example, if I want to distribude i386 packages, I should update just them and wait, until they are distributed, before I update packages for other architectures. > posted) is stuff they don't need to pay any special attention to, and > that it's only the stuff in the ports/ area that tends to choke > things? Maybe a better thing would be to say some data limit - 500 MB a day or so, which would not hurt mirrors' updating "responsivity". ... Until there is some feedback, so that people on ftp-master can check distribution state themselves :o) > IMO it might not hurt to admit to that > group a tiering structure and tell them what the Tier-1 servers are. Does anybody know, which mirrors are Tier-1 and which are Tier-2? :o))) This is any other reason for my proposals - I think, that nobody knows, which mirrors are Tier-[12], and what Tier-[12] mirrors really should be and should do/offer. -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 1 10:35:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F0E37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E322544017 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:35:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h61HZ24U093666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:35:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id h61HZ2Xg093665; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:35:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:35:02 +0200 From: Rudolf Cejka To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030701173502.GB91388@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <20030619190549.GA29748@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030619190549.GA29748@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where to go from here X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 17:35:09 -0000 Ken Smith wrote (2003/06/19): > There hasn't been much time for Cejka's comments to settle in. But > IMO his comments are not something that should be passed on to re@ and > portmgr@. They should be passed on to the Mirror System > Coordinator(s) because I think they all address things that the > re@/portmgr@ folks won't feel they should be involved in. It was meant mainly as a question to re@ and ftp-master folks - whether they are interested in things I proposed, or not. Then we can think about real realization (= re@ and ftp-master folks will be the users of proposed system), or we can forget it (there are not any possible users). > they're the users of that box but they'd prefer it if they did > not need to know how it works or tinker around in it. They do not need to know the internals - they just can run some commands with informational output, like if they can upload new things, or they would rather wait some time until previous datas are distributed. So at first, my proposals really need the express from re@ and ftp-master folks, if they would like to use proposed things. > the only issue IMO would be getting enough sites to buy > in at the Tier-1 level and I have no idea right now > if that's easy or hard. Hopefully it's easy. :-) If there would be a problem with small starting number of mirror sites, we can call new class of mirrors Tier-0 and Tier-1/Tier-2 leave as they are (aren't). However, I still would prefer some policy, so that ftp-master is not overloaded in any case. -- > Does anyone (Cejka in particular :-) see a problem with that? Wow :o) Problem is solved - I have found option realname in mutt, so that I'm allowed to switch the order of my names to the correct order... :o) -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 1 13:08:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F0637B401 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ilg01-195-114-52-166.hi.delfi.lv (ilg01-195-114-52-166.hi.delfi.lv [195.114.52.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D2143FBF for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from system@soft.lv) Received: by shadow.soft.lv (Postfix, from userid 1016) id 3774B43A4; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:02:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rubicon.soft.lv (unknown [62.85.83.210]) by shadow.soft.lv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB3E4390 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:02:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: by rubicon.soft.lv (Postfix, from userid 1016) id 8250B7642; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:58:36 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rubicon (unknown [195.13.233.5]) by rubicon.soft.lv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9339175E9 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:58:28 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <00dd01c33fe9$ce641060$0b000a0a@rubicon> From: "Valentin Yeliseev" To: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:58:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: need to update ns records X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:08:46 -0000 Hello, All. We need to update ns records for lv.freebsd.org, but hostmaster coudn't be reached. I have sent email to hostmaster@ 3 days ago, but did not recieved answer. Where He is and how to find him? From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 1 13:12:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B976837B401 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.portrait.com (mail.portrait.com [64.171.32.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A22943F85 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:12:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@webvolution.net) Received: from webvolution.net (novato.portrait.com [64.171.32.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.portrait.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h61KCPcb065017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@webvolution.net) Message-ID: <3F01EB28.3000007@webvolution.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:12:24 -0700 From: Joao Pedras User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hubs@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: about pt.freebsd.org... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:12:33 -0000 This message is being resent. It was originally sent to dnsadm@freebsd on 5/13 and again on 6/19. Hi! Regarding pt.freebsd.org... In the past the dns contact has been really slow to reply to dns change requests. Last week another daemon on the hubs@freebsd.org list was reporting the fact that he has cvsup and www mirrors ready. He contacted the dns admin for pt.freebsd.org for more than a month now and no reply came. I have checked with some buddies and we are willing to host the dns for pt.freebsd.org with a total of 3 dns servers. I have also been doing cvsup.pt.freebsd.org for a couple years now. Please tell me if you want the change to happen and I will give you the dns info. Thanks Joao From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 1 15:50:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707C837B404 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B1243F85 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:50:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h61MoNbr010699 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h61MoNpZ010697 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:50:23 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030701225023.GE9691@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030701073102.GC77826@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <200307010752.h617qpqN099327@lurza.secnetix.de> <20030701115721.GB24724@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030701172652.GA91388@fit.vutbr.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030701172652.GA91388@fit.vutbr.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Amount of stuff to upload X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:50:25 -0000 On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 07:26:52PM +0200, Rudolf Cejka wrote: > Maybe a better thing would be to say some data limit - 500 MB a day > or so, which would not hurt mirrors' updating "responsivity". ... That's the most logical thing to ask them to limit but I'm not sure if it's practical because of the way stuff on ftp-master gets added. Different people seem to do it. And it's not simple to figure out how much has changed - "df" won't reflect needing to transfer lots of stuff because an entire package set got updated so the different people involved would need to compare notes on what they've changed. > Until there is some feedback, so that people on ftp-master can check > distribution state themselves :o) :-) > Does anybody know, which mirrors are Tier-1 and which are Tier-2? :o))) Well, I now know what all of the FTP sites are. There are a total of 48 country-code-based zones four of which are not functioning properly. I've got a list of all ftp*.CC.freebsd.org sites currently defined in DNS for each of those zones. I'm hoping to turn that into something more than just the list of machines through the next couple of weeks. > This is any other reason for my proposals - I think, that nobody knows, > which mirrors are Tier-[12], and what Tier-[12] mirrors really should > be and should do/offer. It appears that you're correct on that. If you folks don't mind me pestering you individually as I work my way through that list I can gather up contact info, what each site's up-stream site is, etc. If we can assemble that list and then if people who are able to make changes that would effect the list report those changes as they happen we'd be in good shape. :-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 04:03:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5B137B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 04:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amun.isnic.is (amun.isnic.is [193.4.58.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BE244011 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 04:02:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oli@amun.isnic.is) Received: from amun.isnic.is (oli@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amun.isnic.is (8.12.9/8.12.9/isnic) with ESMTP id h62B2tWx072075; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:02:55 GMT (envelope-from oli@amun.isnic.is) Received: (from oli@localhost) by amun.isnic.is (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h62B2s9D072074; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:02:54 GMT (envelope-from oli) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:02:54 +0000 From: Olafur Osvaldsson To: Valentin Yeliseev Message-ID: <20030702110254.GQ39194@isnic.is> Mail-Followup-To: Valentin Yeliseev , freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org References: <00dd01c33fe9$ce641060$0b000a0a@rubicon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00dd01c33fe9$ce641060$0b000a0a@rubicon> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=6.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55-isnic X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55-isnic (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: need to update ns records X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 11:03:00 -0000 Valentin, Send an email to dnsadm@freebsd.org /Oli On Tue, 01 Jul 2003, Valentin Yeliseev wrote: > Hello, All. > > We need to update ns records for lv.freebsd.org, but hostmaster coudn't be > reached. I have sent email to hostmaster@ 3 days ago, but did not recieved > answer. Where He is and how to find him? > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hubs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hubs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Olafur Osvaldsson Systems Administrator Internet a Islandi hf. Tel: +354 525-5291 Email: oli@isnic.is From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 07:57:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30BA37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 07:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDB743FBF for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 07:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h62Evwbr025527 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h62EvwCH025525 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:57:58 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030702145758.GI22213@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <00dd01c33fe9$ce641060$0b000a0a@rubicon> <20030702110254.GQ39194@isnic.is> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030702110254.GQ39194@isnic.is> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: need to update ns records X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 14:57:59 -0000 On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 11:02:54AM +0000, Olafur Osvaldsson wrote: > Valentin, > Send an email to dnsadm@freebsd.org Just FYI... The latest proposal for the DNS guide generated one editing change to word something better (thanks!) but nothing else. My first attempt, which people didn't like, generated lots of discussion so we're guessing silence means this one was acceptable. I don't know any other way to handle it. :-/ So Jun approved it and the default answer to this changes as a result. DNS issues related to the Mirror System that appear here will be handled by the Mirror Site Coordinator who sees them as they arrive here. Same for offers to become Mirror Sites, issues with zones not functioning quite right, etc. Thanks to everyone who helped create a proposal that was apparently acceptable by arguing with me so I could learn what it was that you cared about. I wasn't particularly happy with doing that and I think I've learned other ways to handle you folks teaching me what I need to learn (in a nutshell learn who it is that seems to be in a position to fill me in on what I'm missing based on their first responses but then ask them if they'd mind answering my questions off-list, summarizing what I learn on-list so they get a chance to make sure I learned what I should have). So hopefully as we move forward we can do this sort of thing better. This only works if you voice your opinions when you don't like something that gets proposed and doing it on-list is fine. If it's me that keeps coordinating the proposals though I'll just try to do some of the more involved back-and-forth questions/answer sessions privately with someone who seems to have a bigger clue than I do as long as I can find someone(s) willing to help me with that. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 09:38:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787A937B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AE343F75 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from langd@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:38:03 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR" Content-Disposition: inline X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.tu-muenchen.de Subject: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:38:06 -0000 --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, it seems Ken wants to get some things into place, that seemed to have reached some concensus on this list and also with our fellows from the FreeBSD project. Even if there may be silent agreement already, formal appointments and more important documentation helps to avoid confusion and to provide clear advice for any future requests in that matter. In order to get on with it and not getting stuck, I suggest to implement the role of a mirror coordinator (in some discussions also called "Chris") ASAP. I suggest nominations for the role of the mirror coordinator (lets say for one week at most). After the nomination period, or earlier if there is general agreement that all serious nominations have been placed, votes should finally choose our mirror coordinator. I suggest one vote for each subscriber of . I don't expect this election to be abuse-prone, so I hope we don't need to rely on signed votes. Of course a signed vote is encouraged, though. The result of the election should then be approved by Jun Kuriyama, who (also as a core team member) will provide enough legitimation for our new elected mirror coordinator. The new role and its responsibilities, requirements and of course the person currently fulfilling the role should be documented in a fitting, prominent place within the FreeBSD documentation. To be specific, I nominate Ken Smith for the role of the mirror coordinator. 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mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D262237B404 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.portrait.com (mail.portrait.com [64.171.32.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AB443FEC for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:51:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@webvolution.net) Received: from webvolution.net (novato.portrait.com [64.171.32.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.portrait.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h62Gowcb071117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:50:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@webvolution.net) Message-ID: <3F030D6E.2060500@webvolution.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:50:54 -0700 From: Joao Pedras User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> In-Reply-To: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:51:06 -0000 A vote for Ken here, if he wants the job. :) Daniel Lang wrote: >To be specific, >I nominate Ken Smith >for the role of the mirror coordinator. > > From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 10:01:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E7D37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pth3kpc.mcc.virginia.edu (pth3kpc.mcc.Virginia.EDU [128.143.108.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E321643F3F for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pth3k@pth3kpc.mcc.virginia.edu) Received: from pth3kpc.mcc.virginia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h62H1e6a027257 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:01:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pth3k@pth3kpc.mcc.virginia.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by pth3kpc.mcc.virginia.edu (8.12.9/8.12.6/Submit) id h62H1diQ027256 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:01:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Ty Hoeffer To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:01:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307021301.39743.pth3k@virginia.edu> Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 17:01:41 -0000 I agree Add another vote for Ken. Ty FTP14.FreeBSD.org >A vote for Ken here, if he wants the job. :) > >Daniel Lang wrote: > >>To be specific, >>I nominate Ken Smith >>for the role of the mirror coordinator. >> >> -- *************************************************************************** * Ty Hoeffer -- IS Net Engineer -- UVa. Health System/Computing Services * pth3k at Virginia.EDU -- http://warhammer.mcc.virginia.edu/ty * "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. * Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the decision." Ben Franklin *************************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 10:10:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CC337B404 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BA143FBD for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:10:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F070210BF8B; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:10:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:10:12 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Daniel Lang Message-ID: <20030702171012.GF398@nitro.dk> References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IU5/I01NYhRvwH70" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 17:10:16 -0000 --IU5/I01NYhRvwH70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.07.02 18:38:03 +0200, Daniel Lang wrote: > After the nomination period, or earlier if there is general agreement > that all serious nominations have been placed, votes should > finally choose our mirror coordinator. > I suggest one vote for each subscriber of . >=20 > I don't expect this election to be abuse-prone, so I hope > we don't need to rely on signed votes. Of course a signed > vote is encouraged, though. As a lurker on the list, may I suggest that each person who votes note what their relation to -hubs is? E.g. 'Maintainer of ftp.XX.freebsd.org', 'Member of RE', and so on. I also doubt it is needed, but if anyone has any doubt about the validity of a vote, it should be easy to tell this way, if somebody is trying to fake a vote. Just a suggestion; use at will. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --IU5/I01NYhRvwH70 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/AxH08kocFXgPTRwRAjWKAKCdSQaYI9AnPLV2QMYo1/S92iiw8ACfWG8e 1bSO6Pikwt/56LoyvNwGgy8= =T+oS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IU5/I01NYhRvwH70-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 10:10:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ED337B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40CC43FE0 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2889B3D28 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:10:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:10:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3F02D9D1.5576.6381E49C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 17:10:43 -0000 On 2 Jul 2003 at 18:38, Daniel Lang wrote: > To be specific, > I nominate Ken Smith > for the role of the mirror coordinator. I second the nomination. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 10:14:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E6A37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CB543FCB for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (adslle.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.102.11]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h62HEXt4031522; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:14:35 +0200 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:14:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: Daniel Lang In-Reply-To: <20030702171012.GF398@nitro.dk> Message-ID: <20030702191348.H718@korben.in.tern> References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030702171012.GF398@nitro.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: unet 4244; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 17:14:43 -0000 > On 2003.07.02 18:38:03 +0200, Daniel Lang wrote: > > > After the nomination period, or earlier if there is general agreement > > that all serious nominations have been placed, votes should > > finally choose our mirror coordinator. > > I suggest one vote for each subscriber of . > > > > I don't expect this election to be abuse-prone, so I hope > > we don't need to rely on signed votes. Of course a signed > > vote is encouraged, though. FWIW, here's my vote for Ken. Good luck :-) regards, le, ftp2.at.freebsd.org --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 10:28:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC6637B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MX2.estpak.ee (ld3.estpak.ee [194.126.101.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E3043FBF for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:28:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kalts@estpak.ee) Received: from kevad.internal (80-235-38-109-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.38.109]) by MX2.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38526735D0; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:27:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: by kevad.internal (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D496C8DC; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:31:25 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:31:25 +0300 From: Vallo Kallaste To: Daniel Lang Message-ID: <20030702103125.GA3819@kevad.internal> References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kalts@estpak.ee List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 17:28:54 -0000 I'll vote for Ken. You pushed for it, now you're hooked up :) current maintainer of ftp.ee.freebsd.org -- Vallo Kallaste From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 11:18:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5FD37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amun.isnic.is (amun.isnic.is [193.4.58.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC97943FDD for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:18:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oli@amun.isnic.is) Received: from amun.isnic.is (oli@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amun.isnic.is (8.12.9/8.12.9/isnic) with ESMTP id h62IICaI077312 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:18:12 GMT (envelope-from oli@amun.isnic.is) Received: (from oli@localhost) by amun.isnic.is (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h62IIChL077308 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:18:12 GMT (envelope-from oli) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:18:12 +0000 From: Olafur Osvaldsson To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030702181812.GA76920@isnic.is> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=6.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55-isnic X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55-isnic (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:18:17 -0000 --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My vote goes to Ken. /Oli - is.FreeBSD.org On Wed, 02 Jul 2003, Daniel Lang wrote: > To be specific, > I nominate Ken Smith > for the role of the mirror coordinator. --=20 Olafur Osvaldsson Systems Administrator Internet a Islandi hf. Tel: +354 525-5291 Email: oli@isnic.is --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/AyHk8xNRBRknOFwRAtSGAKDEJl9rF2ogwn24gmxzQ2bCddXKlwCfTC/P krW9X2PVy5CiRpT4BkVlauk= =NuLJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 11:27:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478E737B413 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaultopia.org (yttrium.4ph.com [66.197.0.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8869F43F75 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from e@gaultopia.org) Received: (qmail 54815 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2003 18:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.gaultopia.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jul 2003 18:27:55 -0000 Received: from 68.100.144.62 (SquirrelMail authenticated user eng) by www.gaultopia.org with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <65272.68.100.144.62.1057170475.squirrel@www.gaultopia.org> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:27:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erik Gault" To: hubs@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.0 [CVS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:27:58 -0000 I wonder how many votes we'll feel are needed =). I'll vote for Ken... ftp2/cvsup2.freebsd.org Erik From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 11:42:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2240C37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schurli.wu-wien.ac.at (schurli.wu-wien.ac.at [137.208.16.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFC9043FD7 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from georg.graf@wu-wien.ac.at) Received: (qmail 67584 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Jul 2003 18:42:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:42:02 +0200 From: Georg Graf To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030702184202.GA67478@wu-wien.ac.at> Mail-Followup-To: Georg Graf , freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:42:05 -0000 --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:38:03PM +0200, Daniel Lang wrote: [dd] > To be specific, > I nominate Ken Smith > for the role of the mirror coordinator. One more from Austria for Ken. (www|cvsup|ftp).at.freebsd.org Thanks! --=20 Vienna University of Economics and Business Administration Center for Computer Services PGP/GPG Key ID: 0xa5232ad5 --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj8DJ3kACgkQrYhtKaUjKtVikACgqv2EBlYZgtxkofWNTs0fq5Zf a0AAn3L4+EcCm5zEMYlOC8CdkVUxrmrP =vj+Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 12:14:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4911237B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381DC43FE1 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (wtcfqp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62JEqB5071798 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:14:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h62JEqDS071796 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:14:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200307021914.h62JEqDS071796@lurza.secnetix.de> To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:14:52 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Daniel Lang" at Jul 02, 2003 06:38:03 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 19:14:55 -0000 Daniel Lang wrote: > To be specific, > I nominate Ken Smith > for the role of the mirror coordinator. I second that. I vote for Ken Smith, too. Regards Oliver (ftp7.de.freebsd.org) -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic." -- Josef Stalin From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 12:37:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28C837B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6894143FAF for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from langd@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:37:38 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: Erik Gault Message-ID: <20030702193738.GB12441@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <65272.68.100.144.62.1057170475.squirrel@www.gaultopia.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="xgyAXRrhYN0wYx8y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <65272.68.100.144.62.1057170475.squirrel@www.gaultopia.org> X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.tu-muenchen.de cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 19:37:44 -0000 --xgyAXRrhYN0wYx8y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Erik Gault wrote on Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 02:27:55PM -0400: > I wonder how many votes we'll feel are needed =3D). I'll vote for Ken... [..] I guess you didn't mean that that serious .-), but still, here's a serious answer. Sorry for that. %-} It's probably no matter of number of votes. Either our time frame is exceeded, or no more votes or nominations are placed. Then it should be easy to see if there is a clear result for a nominee or if the result may be questionable. In the unlikely event of a doubtful result, we can discuss the matter again, do a strict count or second ballot. I hope we can avoid the bikeshed. :-))) Best regards, Daniel --=20 IRCnet: Mr-Spock =20 - In dieser Mail ist ein Geist, der Dich in den Hintern beisst -=20 Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * +49 89 289 18532 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/ --xgyAXRrhYN0wYx8y Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIIXgAYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIXcTCCF20CAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC FUAwggbMMIIFtKADAgECAgIVezANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCBpjELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxETAP BgNVBAcTCE11ZW5jaGVuMSkwJwYDVQQKEyBUZWNobmlzY2hlIFVuaXZlcnNpdGFldCBNdWVu Y2hlbjEiMCAGA1UECxMZRmFrdWx0YWV0IGZ1ZXIgSW5mb3JtYXRpazEYMBYGA1UEAxMPUkJH LUJlbnV0emVyLUNBMRswGQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFgxjYUBpbi50dW0uZGUwHhcNMDMwNTIwMTIz MTQyWhcNMDQwNTIxMDAwMDAwWjCBqzELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxETAPBgNVBAcTCE11ZW5jaGVu MSkwJwYDVQQKEyBUZWNobmlzY2hlIFVuaXZlcnNpdGFldCBNdWVuY2hlbjEiMCAGA1UECxMZ RmFrdWx0YWV0IGZ1ZXIgSW5mb3JtYXRpazEUMBIGA1UEAxMLRGFuaWVsIExhbmcxJDAiBgkq 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Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E33137B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genius.tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B638043FE1 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@genius.tao.org.uk) Received: by genius.tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id DB0504576; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:06:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:06:21 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Daniel Lang Message-ID: <20030702200621.GC10735@genius.tao.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Josef Karthauser , Daniel Lang , freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m51xatjYGsM+13rf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:06:33 -0000 --m51xatjYGsM+13rf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:38:03PM +0200, Daniel Lang wrote: >=20 > To be specific, > I nominate Ken Smith > for the role of the mirror coordinator. >=20 I vote for him too. Joe (uk.FreeBSD.org coordinator, admin@FreeBSD.org, cvs meister@FreeBSD.org) --=20 Josef Karthauser (joe@tao.org.uk) http://www.josef-k.net/ FreeBSD (cvs meister, admin and hacker) http://www.uk.FreeBSD.org/ Physics Particle Theory (student) http://www.pact.cpes.sussex.ac.uk/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D An eclectic mix of fact an= d theory. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --m51xatjYGsM+13rf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAj8DOzwACgkQXVIcjOaxUBb24wCeIzCiNJgKknQtQXyLPNULjxuR q3EAoL7DrZoj2hp7fad2BoC2zRrn0Lw3 =dKGj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m51xatjYGsM+13rf-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 14:00:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1951437B4E4 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594A243F93 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:00:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id CA0AC48E6F; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 07:00:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B609E52D96; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 07:00:33 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 07:00:33 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030702200621.GC10735@genius.tao.org.uk> Message-ID: References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030702200621.GC10735@genius.tao.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:00:36 -0000 On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Josef Karthauser wrote: > On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:38:03PM +0200, Daniel Lang wrote: > > > > To be specific, > > I nominate Ken Smith > > for the role of the mirror coordinator. > > > > I vote for him too. ditto. -jason ftp.au.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 14:11:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1747037B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carrick.bishnet.net (carrick.bishnet.net [217.204.9.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1BD43FA3 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:11:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tdb@carrick.bishnet.net) Received: from tdb by carrick.bishnet.net with local (Exim 4.20) id 19XosZ-0007vh-VT; Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:11:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:11:03 +0100 From: Tim Bishop To: Daniel Lang Message-ID: <20030702211103.GH73464@carrick.bishnet.net> References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP-Key: 0x5AE7D984 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1453 086E 9376 1A50 ECF6 AE05 7DCE D659 5AE7 D984 Sender: "T.D.Bishop" X-Bishnet-MailScanner-Information: Contact postmaster@bishnet.net X-Bishnet-MailScanner-VirusCheck: Found to be clean cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:11:10 -0000 On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:38:03PM +0200, Daniel Lang wrote: > > I suggest nominations for the role of the mirror coordinator > (lets say for one week at most). Does anyone other than Ken want to be nominated? It's a choice of Ken, or Ken at the moment ;) (Ken - nothing personal, just an observation :-) Tim. -- Tim Bishop http://www.bishnet.net/tim PGP Key: 0x5AE7D984 From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 14:23:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC1C37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF49F43F93 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 90D9E48E6F; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 07:23:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8775352D96; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 07:23:47 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 07:23:47 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Tim Bishop In-Reply-To: <20030702211103.GH73464@carrick.bishnet.net> Message-ID: References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030702211103.GH73464@carrick.bishnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:23:49 -0000 On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Tim Bishop wrote: > On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:38:03PM +0200, Daniel Lang wrote: > > > > I suggest nominations for the role of the mirror coordinator > > (lets say for one week at most). > > Does anyone other than Ken want to be nominated? It's a choice of > Ken, or Ken at the moment ;) > > (Ken - nothing personal, just an observation :-) my $0.02, there have been a few of us interested in the mirror co-ordination role (and yes, i was one of them) but ken has proven that he's willing to step in and do things.. as well as listen to people's suggestions without getting bogged down and that is a big win from my POV. so i'm happy if the role is by acclamation (hmm, if we do that does that make him a mirror king? a-mer-ican.. gettit ? oh nevermind..) regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 14:25:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3275A37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D3543F85 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:24:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from langd@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:24:57 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: Tim Bishop Message-ID: <20030702212457.GA13266@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030702211103.GH73464@carrick.bishnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030702211103.GH73464@carrick.bishnet.net> X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.tu-muenchen.de cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:25:00 -0000 --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Tim Bishop wrote on Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 10:11:03PM +0100: [..] > Does anyone other than Ken want to be nominated? It's a choice of > Ken, or Ken at the moment ;) >=20 > (Ken - nothing personal, just an observation :-) I didn't mention it, but of course the nominee must agree to=20 do the job. Also I would suggest (forgot to mention) that anyone should be allowed to nominate him-/herself. So if anyone else would like to step forward, feel free to do it. It may even be useful to have a small team to do the job. Ok, I don't want to make things too complicated.... :-) Daniel --=20 IRCnet: Mr-Spock - Me transfere sursum, Caledoni - =20 Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * +49 89 289 18532 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/ --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIIXgAYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIXcTCCF20CAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC FUAwggbMMIIFtKADAgECAgIVezANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCBpjELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxETAP BgNVBAcTCE11ZW5jaGVuMSkwJwYDVQQKEyBUZWNobmlzY2hlIFVuaXZlcnNpdGFldCBNdWVu Y2hlbjEiMCAGA1UECxMZRmFrdWx0YWV0IGZ1ZXIgSW5mb3JtYXRpazEYMBYGA1UEAxMPUkJH LUJlbnV0emVyLUNBMRswGQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFgxjYUBpbi50dW0uZGUwHhcNMDMwNTIwMTIz MTQyWhcNMDQwNTIxMDAwMDAwWjCBqzELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxETAPBgNVBAcTCE11ZW5jaGVu MSkwJwYDVQQKEyBUZWNobmlzY2hlIFVuaXZlcnNpdGFldCBNdWVuY2hlbjEiMCAGA1UECxMZ RmFrdWx0YWV0IGZ1ZXIgSW5mb3JtYXRpazEUMBIGA1UEAxMLRGFuaWVsIExhbmcxJDAiBgkq 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Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C9037B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amun.isnic.is (amun.isnic.is [193.4.58.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C1A43FF3 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:09:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oli@amun.isnic.is) Received: from amun.isnic.is (oli@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amun.isnic.is (8.12.9/8.12.9/isnic) with ESMTP id h62M92aI079664 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:09:03 GMT (envelope-from oli@amun.isnic.is) Received: (from oli@localhost) by amun.isnic.is (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h62M92tK079663 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:09:02 GMT (envelope-from oli) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:09:02 +0000 From: Olafur Osvaldsson To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030702220902.GB76920@isnic.is> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030702211103.GH73464@carrick.bishnet.net> <20030702212457.GA13266@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030702212457.GA13266@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=6.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55-isnic X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55-isnic (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:09:07 -0000 On Wed, 02 Jul 2003, Daniel Lang wrote: > So if anyone else would like to step forward, feel free to do it. > > It may even be useful to have a small team to do the job. I'm willing to serve as backup or as a part of a team of coordinators, but not as the only one. /Oli - is.FreeBSD.org Admin -- Olafur Osvaldsson Systems Administrator Internet a Islandi hf. Tel: +354 525-5291 Email: oli@isnic.is From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 25 10:35:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE21F37B41E; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A7443FDD; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:35:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5PHZ7br014115; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5PHZ7di014114; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:35:07 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Josef Karthauser , Ken Smith , Daniel Lang , freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030625173507.GB12736@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030624173337.GD11784@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <7m7k7b564w.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030625011941.GB26111@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625061059.GB3446@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030625071704.GB1478@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625081018.GC3446@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030625140931.GA8427@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625142848.GM39194@isnic.is> <20030625152443.GA9860@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625171159.GC59760@genius.tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030625171159.GC59760@genius.tao.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: DRAFT - DNS Admin Guide X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:35:12 -0000 On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 06:11:59PM +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: > Ok, here's another thought then. I've been running the uk.FreeBSD.org > name space for many years. We've currently got a handful of web, cvsup > and ftp mirrors. We also have a number of other entries in the DNS to > handle local servers (storm.uk.freebsd.org) and local email > user@uk.freebsd.org as well as a subdomain that the UK FreeBSD user > group use. If uk.FreeBSD.org gets sucked back into a central administration > am I going to get the same level of support for changes to the name > space as we do at the moment, or will we be forced to drop our "extra" > stuff because we're the only ones that do it? IMO this would be one of the things that would prompt dnsadm@ to do a delegation, and it's what I meant by making these decisions on the merits of DNS issues instead of other issues. In this scenario either: - you be one of the recipients of all mail sent to dnsadm@ and you act on anything coming in for uk.freebsd.org. The list of people allowed to make valid requests is very short (the www, cvsup, and ftp coordinators) so you have relatively little checking to do. - the folks who do receive dnsadm@ email know you're handling uk.freebsd.org and bump any requests for that to you Which of those is best depends on things like volume of email to dnsadm@ and that sort of thing, sorry I don't know if that's an issue or not. Your request to take over the delegation would be exactly analogous to a site making the request to become a mirror site to the mirror site coordinator, though in this case it is dnsadm@ who are viewed as the coordinator. They decide if you seem to know what you are doing, if you seem to have the necessary infrastructure, and they set up what they view to be the proper set of procedures for the communication amongst you all. If you do not live up to your responsibilities they revoke the delegation (sorry, I'm not suggesting you would). The "extras" you provide are not FreeBSD.org-wide by definition so the fact there is no central flow for those things is a non-issue and the folks who expect the extras are by definition beholden to you for them. You are a case where there is a strong regional organization and I don't think there is a need for you to suffer but at the same time I don't think places that do not have a strong regional organization should be ignored. And, again sorry but you offered to be an example, if you were to disappear uk.freebsd.org simply gets sucked back into the central nameservers with zero other issues needing to be addressed. They'd even presumably have a file resulting from a zone transfer that could become the master file if for some reason your disappearance was so sudden there was no warning at all. Since you don't exist any more the extras you were providing also disappear but that's to be expected. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 20:27:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329C437B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567D143F93 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:27:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h633Rcbr010790 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h633Rci4010789 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:27:38 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030703032738.GF8787@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: [kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU: Re: DRAFT - DNS Admin Guide] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 03:27:40 -0000 Hmm, hub must have liked that message for some reason. It held on to it for quite a while... :-/ Just curious, is this a mailman-ism? This seems to happen every once in a while on another mailing list I'm on that's handled by mailman too. ----- Forwarded message from Ken Smith ----- > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP > id D082037B401; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:11:48 -0700 (PDT) > Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org > Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP > id AE21F37B41E; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT) ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 20:42:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AF537B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spam.averse.net (mirror.averse.net [203.208.241.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F9043FDF for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:42:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mirror-maintainer@mirror.averse.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.averse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFA6677D8 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:42:43 +0800 (SGT) Received: from spam.averse.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (spam [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13954-05 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:42:41 +0800 (SGT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.averse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0596768F for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:42:39 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:42:38 +0800 (SGT) From: mirror-maintainer@mirror.averse.net X-X-Sender: pyng@spam.averse.net To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030702212457.GA13266@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at averse.net Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 03:42:48 -0000 On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Daniel Lang wrote: > Tim Bishop wrote on Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 10:11:03PM +0100: > I didn't mention it, but of course the nominee must agree to > do the job. Also I would suggest (forgot to mention) that > anyone should be allowed to nominate him-/herself. If Ken wants to do it, I'd say to go for it too. He's proven himself most committed, interested, and willing, if rather verbose in his mails :) > So if anyone else would like to step forward, feel free to do it. > It may even be useful to have a small team to do the job. Agree. Don't see why the "Mirror Coordinator" should be a single person. If a team is the way to go, I'd support Jason Andrade and Oli too. Pui Yong (ftp|cvsup|www2).sg From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 20:46:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BFE37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5F143FA3 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:46:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6352A4233 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:46:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A856F421A for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:46:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8D71E4628 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:46:48 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 12:46:48 +0900 Message-ID: <7mof0cb7br.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.0 (Venus) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.4 Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="pgp-sign-Multipart_Thu_Jul__3_12:46:45_2003-1"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 03:46:52 -0000 --pgp-sign-Multipart_Thu_Jul__3_12:46:45_2003-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ok guys, I'm happy to announce a new hat for our victim: "Mirror Site Coordinator" as Ken Smith . This position will handle: o Current list of {ftp,cvsup,www}.FreeBSD.org and it's contact o Current list of CC.FreeBSD.org delegation information o Request of new official mirrors and other things on hubs@. I've set up mirror-admin@FreeBSD.org alias for an official contact address of this position which includes Ken (and me as backup). Ken can add other person to this position if he wants. I think first task for him is to update articles/hubs/article.sgml appropriately. Go ahead, Ken! -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project --pgp-sign-Multipart_Thu_Jul__3_12:46:45_2003-1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA/A6co7jxNu/47Wc0RAn6CAKCnb/zLcLNU24XmGtW8qubWNu/8EACbBRV2 CtyIKnoieObCfjQQWRIe2yE= =fa0k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pgp-sign-Multipart_Thu_Jul__3_12:46:45_2003-1-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 21:27:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB17337B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7C943FE9 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h634Rrbr011791 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 00:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h634RqLJ011790 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 00:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 00:27:52 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030703042752.GI8787@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030702163803.GA12193@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <7mof0cb7br.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7mof0cb7br.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Get things into place (formally) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 04:27:54 -0000 [ Blushing ] Thanks for the show of support everyone. On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:46:48PM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > I've set up mirror-admin@FreeBSD.org alias for an official contact > address of this position which includes Ken (and me as backup). Ken > can add other person to this position if he wants. One person as backup should be Ok for now and Jun is already wired in to everything that's needed for the job so at least for now we're probably set. Once the initial cataloging of everything is done the day-to-day stuff should be almost trivial. I'll reserve the right to decide I was wrong (again :-) and ask for help later though if that's OK. We've still got lots of other stuff to do that falls outside this job description though. This stuff is really just being an Administrative Assistant... ;-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 3 16:07:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF04037B401 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023C84400E for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:07:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h63N7ebr001891 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 19:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h63N7djv001890 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 19:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 19:07:39 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030703230739.GA1467@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: article.sgml - Formalize Requirements? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 23:07:42 -0000 As part of updating article.sgml should I formalize the requirements to become an Official Mirror Site? I already know opinions on that vary and depend at least a little bit on exactly what the requirements are so I'm going to make a mini-proposal to try and focus any discussion that comes of this a little bit. I also realize hubs@ doesn't reach all the mirror admins, I'd need to use the cataloging effort as a means to reach some of the mirror admins. This will be vague, just enough to give you an idea of where we could go with it. If you think it's a horrible idea let us know. I'll interpret silence as you think it's a good idea and/or you want to see more detail before commenting (or you just don't care :-). First it might be time to set some requirements made of all Official Mirror Sites. With releases being staged now if it will not offend too many of the existing mirror sites it might be time to require split uids (different uid does sync than anonymous ftp). It's a new issue so we'd need to be careful but at the same time there are issues if we don't do this (I already knew a few, the talk with re@ about the Release Guide added a few some of which are actually in your best interest :-). The other thing I'd suggest we do is formalize the tiering structure a little bit. Tier-1's sync from an ftp-master (we currently have three) and carry everything. Tier-2's either don't sync from an ftp-master or they don't carry everything (or both). Requirements on Tier-2's would be minimal (e.g. most current releases of at least one architecture type thing) but they'd need to satisfy the above mentioned requirements placed on all sites. Thoughts? I'll summarize the stuff that has come from the Release Guide being looked at by re@ later. Right now it's mostly them teaching me stuff and me teaching them stuff - just a couple email exchanges with questions. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 3 18:00:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA2537B401 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF2943FD7 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h64103br003516 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h64102lq003515 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:00:02 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030704010002.GB2392@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030703230739.GA1467@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030703230739.GA1467@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: article.sgml - Formalize Requirements? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 01:00:05 -0000 I forgot to say if you do think it's time to formalize some requirements and want to send your initial thoughts just to me I'll try to make the initial proposal reflect some sort of average of what you send. I'm trying to work out a way to do this sort of stuff fairly but with a little less on-list traffic so it's less potentially annoying. I think we're doing good stuff but at the same time the volume of email through the past few weeks seems to be way up and might be getting to be too much for some folks. To get things rolling I've been posting entire proposals and then seeing what the fallout is but as Jun said that's probably not the best approach. I'd like to try: 1) Post thought on a discussion topic and just barely enough to get the ball rolling in the right direction. 2) You guys send initial thoughts straight to me and I try to make the initial proposal as some sort of average of this initial input. 3) Post proposal for general discussion. 4) Refine proposal based on discussion. If you think that's a bad idea let me know but I'm hoping it's a reasonable way to move forward with things while not generating too much email. I'm sure a lot of you have real jobs. :-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel |