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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Mar 8 17:23: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE58737B407 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (mail-out1.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0C543FAF for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:23:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@apple.com) Received: from mailgate2.apple.com (A17-129-100-225.apple.com [17.129.100.225]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h291N3Yv028487 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from scv2.apple.com (scv2.apple.com) by mailgate2.apple.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:23:03 -0800 Received: from apple.com (vpn-scv-x2-161.apple.com [17.219.193.161]) by scv2.apple.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h291N2Q26350; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:23:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:23:15 -0800 Subject: Status of Citrus project merge work? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20-146318854 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: Landon Fuller To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org From: Jordan Hubbard Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Apple-Mail-20-146318854 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi guys, I'm currently looking at the NetBSD libc support for wchar_t and noticing that the support seems to be considerably more fully-fleshed out there. There is a citrus/ subdirectory in src/lib/libc which FreeBSD does not have and it also appears that there are quite a few more of the standard ISO/IEC 9899:1999 functions defined there. Is there work ongoing to sync up FreeBSD's libc with NetBSD's libc in this respect (or from the original Citrus sources, for that matter)? I've looked at http://citrus.bsdclub.org/ and it certainly appears like there's some sort of effort underway to do this work for all the BSDs, but I haven't been following the matter closely enough to know how active the FreeBSD branch of this work has been. I have a reason for asking, of course, and that's because Apple is currently reviewing what it would take to bring this work into our own libc for Mac OS X, a libc which is substantially based on FreeBSD's at this point and something I would rather not have gratuitous divergence from. If there's no work currently underway to bring this support in from NetBSD, it's conceivable that I could have some Apple engineers work on the merge and bring FreeBSD's up to date before bringing that, in turn, into Mac OS X but I don't want to step on any toes, either. Comments appreciated. Thanks. - Jordan -- Jordan K. Hubbard Engineering Manager, BSD technology group Apple Computer --Apple-Mail-20-146318854 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi guys, I'm currently looking at the NetBSD libc support for wchar_t and noticing that the support seems to be considerably more fully-fleshed out there. There is a citrus/ subdirectory in src/lib/libc which FreeBSD does not have and it also appears that there are quite a few more of the standard ArialISO/IEC 9899:1999 functions defined there. Is there work ongoing to sync up FreeBSD's libc with NetBSD's libc in this respect (or from the original Citrus sources, for that matter)? I've looked at http://citrus.bsdclub.org/ and it certainly appears like there's some sort of effort underway to do this work for all the BSDs, but I haven't been following the matter closely enough to know how active the FreeBSD branch of this work has been. I have a reason for asking, of course, and that's because Apple is currently reviewing what it would take to bring this work into our own libc for Mac OS X, a libc which is substantially based on FreeBSD's at this point and something I would rather not have gratuitous divergence from. If there's no work currently underway to bring this support in from NetBSD, it's conceivable that I could have some Apple engineers work on the merge and bring FreeBSD's up to date before bringing that, in turn, into Mac OS X but I don't want to step on any toes, either. Comments appreciated. Thanks. - Jordan -- Jordan K. Hubbard Engineering Manager, BSD technology group Apple Computer --Apple-Mail-20-146318854-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Mar 8 18:29:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6856637B401 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp01.syd.iprimus.net.au (smtp01.syd.iprimus.net.au [210.50.30.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A9C43F85 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:29:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@robbins.dropbear.id.au) Received: from dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au ([210.50.113.169]) by smtp01.syd.iprimus.net.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:29:30 +1100 Received: from dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au (ub8t2o6t8sg4hpo0@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h292TUJK093916; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:29:30 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from tim@dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h292TTRw093915; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:29:29 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from tim) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:29:29 +1100 From: Tim Robbins To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, Landon Fuller Subject: Re: Status of Citrus project merge work? Message-ID: <20030309132929.A92620@dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from jkh@apple.com on Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 05:23:15PM -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2003 02:29:31.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[B74BA4C0:01C2E5E3] Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 05:23:15PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm currently looking at the NetBSD libc support for wchar_t and > noticing that the support seems to be considerably more fully-fleshed > out there. Please list the features that we are missing and that you would like to see implemented -- FreeBSD 5.0 implements ISO C90 Amd 1 and ISO C99 wide character support with few exceptions (WCHAR_MIN/WCHAR_MAX macros, wcstof(), wcstold()). I was limited in what I could change in libc by ABI/API issues; I have cleaned up the wide char. support significantly since the 5.x ABI became slushy and will commit these changes when the RELENG_5 branch is created. I recently put these changes into the Perforce repo so that people could browse them, comment on them, etc. The root of the tree is here: http://perforce.freebsd.org/dtb.cgi?FSPC=depot/user/tjr/wchar&HIDEDEL=NO The interesting bits are here: http://perforce.freebsd.org/dtb.cgi?FSPC=depot/user/tjr/wchar/src/lib/libc/locale&HIDEDEL=NO A brief list of what's been changed, and what changes I have in mind for FreeBSD 6 is here: http://perforce.freebsd.org/fv.cgi?FSPC=//depot/user/tjr/wchar/README&REV=2 FWIW, here is a list of missing features or bugs in the current NetBSD implementation to make my arguments about the completeness and correctness of the FreeBSD implementation credible: - wcstod() does not handle Infinity or NaN, wcstof() and wcstold() are missing. - wcstoll(), wcstoull(), wcstoimax(), wcstoumax() are not implemented. - wcsftime() is not implemented. - wcswidth() does not handle non-printing characters correctly. - wcschr() does not handle searching for a null character correctly. - wcsrchr() makes two passes over the string - wcsncpy() contains an off-by-one buffer overflow and does not pad the destination string with null wide characters. - wprintf(), vwprintf(), fwprintf(), vfwprintf(), swprintf(), vswprintf() are not implemented. - wscanf(), vwscanf(), fwscanf(), vfwscanf(), swscanf(), vswscanf() are not implemented. The following functions were added to NetBSD in the past week, but have been in FreeBSD 5 for 6 months: - wctype(), iswctype(), wctrans(), towctrans(), wcscoll(), wcsxfrm(), wcstok(), fgetws(), fputws(). > There is a citrus/ subdirectory in src/lib/libc which > FreeBSD does not have and it also appears that there are quite a few > more of the standard ISO/IEC 9899:1999 functions defined there. Please list them. I believe that all the ISO/IEC 9899:1999 functions have been implemented in FreeBSD 5.0 except wcstof() and wcstold(), which will appear in FreeBSD 5.1. > Is there work ongoing to sync up FreeBSD's libc with NetBSD's libc in this > respect (or from the original Citrus sources, for that matter)? No. Many people tried to do it, gave up or got sick of it, and haven't been heard from since. I stepped in and implemented the missing functions in August and September 2002. I grabbed some pieces from NetBSD that were easy to merge in, but rewrote the bulk of it from scratch because it turned out easier that way. > I've looked at http://citrus.bsdclub.org/ and it certainly appears like > there's some sort of effort underway to do this work for all the BSDs, > but I haven't been following the matter closely enough to know how > active the FreeBSD branch of this work has been. It looks to me like they stopped working on FreeBSD and decided to concentrate their efforts on NetBSD. > I have a reason for asking, of course, and that's because Apple is > currently reviewing what it would take to bring this work into our own > libc for Mac OS X, a libc which is substantially based on FreeBSD's at > this point and something I would rather not have gratuitous divergence > from. If there's no work currently underway to bring this support in > from NetBSD, it's conceivable that I could have some Apple engineers > work on the merge and bring FreeBSD's up to date before bringing that, > in turn, into Mac OS X but I don't want to step on any toes, either. I believe that FreeBSD 5.0 implements the C99 wide character functionality as well as any other implementation does for encodings that are not state-dependent: Big5, SJIS, UTF8, and EUC are not state-dependent; ISO2022, UTF-7, HZ, ZW are, and will have to wait until FreeBSD 6.0 to be implemented. (UTF-16 and UTF-32 are partly state-dependent because of the Unicode byte-order marker (BOM) that is at the start of the file, and I haven't decided how to implement these yet). I'm happy to work with Apple to implement any missing functionality etc. Let me know what you think is wrong with the implementation in 5.0 and I will fix it for 5.1 if it doesn't break the 5.x API, or I will fix it in my Perforce tree then merge it into 6.0-current when RELENG_5 branches. Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Mar 8 22:46:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (unknown [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7495037B40B; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (mail-out1.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936FC43FF7; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:22:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@apple.com) Received: from mailgate1.apple.com (A17-128-100-225.apple.com [17.128.100.225]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h293MrYv012837; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from scv1.apple.com (scv1.apple.com) by mailgate1.apple.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:22:49 -0800 Received: from apple.com (vpn-scv-x2-161.apple.com [17.219.193.161]) by scv1.apple.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h293Mqs01478; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:22:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:23:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Status of Citrus project merge work? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, Landon Fuller To: Tim Robbins From: Jordan Hubbard In-Reply-To: <20030309132929.A92620@dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au> Message-Id: <719CEB74-51DE-11D7-B1FB-000393BB9222@apple.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, part of the problem may be that Mac OS X has been tracking -stable exclusively so far and -stable is the reference code base we look at whenever we're interested in what the state of affairs in FreeBSD-land is, so clearly we missed the work you did in 5.0 when we did our comparison. It's not that we're blind to 5.0's existence, by the way, we've just been waiting for it to become a -stable branch of its own before we shift our eyeballs over to looking at what it's going to take to synchronize with it. Given the many and varied areas of divergence between Mac OS X and FreeBSD, even with our efforts to keep all the relevant bits in sync, it simply represents a rather big job to even compare parts of the two operating systems and 5.0 has just been one of those "we'll cross that bridge when the time comes" sorts of things. Now that we know the real meat of FreeBSD's wchar_t implementation lies in 5.0 (or in Perforce for that matter), we'll shift our eyes over there and see what we can do with that. Thanks. - Jordan On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 06:29 PM, Tim Robbins wrote: > Please list the features that we are missing and that you would like to > see implemented -- FreeBSD 5.0 implements ISO C90 Amd 1 and ISO C99 > wide character support with few exceptions (WCHAR_MIN/WCHAR_MAX macros, > wcstof(), wcstold()). > -- Jordan K. Hubbard Engineering Manager, BSD technology group Apple Computer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message