From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 13:47:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1A037B404 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net [65.242.152.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7BB43F93 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 13:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpb@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (localhost.v6.thrupoint.net [127.0.0.1]) by sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FFD4CF9 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 16:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jpb@localhost)h4DKlKqT020045 for freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 May 2003 16:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:47:20 -0400 From: Jim Brown To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:47:23 -0000 Hi All, Please have a look at the latest hardware release notes page at: http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/ia64/article.html and follow up to the list if you have any additions, or corrections. Since it's a low volume list you don't have to put [ia64] in the subject. Thanks and Best Regards, jpb === From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 17:04:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAC537B401 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 17:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B7D43F3F for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 17:04:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4E04Iwk054379 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 17:04:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4E04Iir000815 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 17:04:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4E04IdY000814 for freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 May 2003 17:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:04:18 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 00:04:20 -0000 On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:47:20PM -0400, Jim Brown wrote: > Hi All, > > Please have a look at the latest hardware release notes > page at: > > http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/ia64/article.html > > and follow up to the list if you have any additions, or > corrections. I slight bogon: Under the supported chipsets, it lists HP i2000. The BigSur is not a chipset. The BigSur uses the 460GX chipset. Also: We generally abbreviate Uniprocessor as UP, not UNP. The stability concern may need to be revisited. I committed a couple of fixes. Kris is testing it by having package builds spawned on the machine in question. More on this later... I would also suggest to remove headings for which we don't have a body. In the final version of course. This removes 3.3-3.7, 3.9-3.10 and 3.12-3.14. I don't think we don't support ISDN devices or FDDI or Firewire, but we simply don't know. Better to leave things unsaid... Other than that: excellent work! I especially like the CPU links. Nice gesture... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 21:53:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF84337B401; Tue, 13 May 2003 21:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cueball.rtp.FreeBSD.org (cueball.rtp.FreeBSD.org [192.58.184.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163C843F3F; Tue, 13 May 2003 21:53:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@cueball.rtp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from cueball.rtp.FreeBSD.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h4E4pUKX042556; Wed, 14 May 2003 00:51:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from des@cueball.rtp.FreeBSD.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by cueball.rtp.FreeBSD.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4E4pU3d042553; Wed, 14 May 2003 04:51:30 GMT Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 04:51:30 GMT From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Message-Id: <200305140451.h4E4pU3d042553@cueball.rtp.FreeBSD.org> To: current@freebsd.org, ia64@freebsd.org Subject: CURRENT tinderbox failure on ia64/ia64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 04:53:45 -0000 TB --- 2003-05-14 04:39:01 - starting CURRENT tinderbox run for ia64/ia64 TB --- cd /home/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64 TB --- 2003-05-14 04:39:01 - checking out sources TB --- /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- cd /home/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src TB --- 2003-05-14 04:40:45 - building world TB --- /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4: populating /home/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/obj/ia64/vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/i386/usr/include >>> stage 4: building libraries [...] cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_SCCS -I/vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm -c /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_getloadavg.c -o kvm_getloadavg.o cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_SCCS -I/vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm -c /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_getswapinfo.c -o kvm_getswapinfo.o cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_SCCS -I/vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm -c /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_proc.c -o kvm_proc.o /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_proc.c: In function `kvm_proclist': /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_proc.c:103: storage size of `procsig' isn't known /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_proc.c:195: structure has no member named `p_procsig' /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_proc.c:196: structure has no member named `p_procsig' /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_proc.c:198: structure has no member named `p_procsig' *** Error code 1 Stop in /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src/lib/libkvm. *** Error code 1 Stop in /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /vol/vol0/users/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64/src. TB --- 2003-05-14 04:51:30 - /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2003-05-14 04:51:30 - ERROR: failed to build world TB --- 2003-05-14 04:51:30 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 09:26:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65A037B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 09:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FFD43F75 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 09:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with ESMTP id <2003051416261200200l74hse>; Wed, 14 May 2003 16:26:12 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4EGQBrh064702; Wed, 14 May 2003 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4EGQBre064701; Wed, 14 May 2003 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:26:11 -0700 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0F1p//8PRICkK4MW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ cc: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:26:14 -0000 --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline If memory serves me right, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > I would also suggest to remove headings for which we don't have > a body. In the final version of course. This removes 3.3-3.7, > 3.9-3.10 and 3.12-3.14. I don't think we don't support ISDN > devices or FDDI or Firewire, but we simply don't know. Better > to leave things unsaid... Hi Marcel-- This problem has been bothering me for a long time too, but it'll be hard to fix, due to some really bizarre design choices I made when I first SGML-ified this document and tried to make it more MI. It has to do with the way that we turn text on and off for different architectures. I probably ranted on this on the doc@ list several times. Bottom line: It's probably not anything that Jim can do anything about...sorry about that. :-( Bruce. PS. We could *insert* some MD text into those sections so that they are not empty, but I can't make the section headings go away. --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+wm4i2MoxcVugUsMRAsV0AJ9SUMxqTlXQy2J8HyhuiYhKVZJvcgCglY0e LlrMXnV9d9JO5CYYPTFk+F4= =vqyv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW-- From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 10:40:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73E737B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 10:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net [65.242.152.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFAF43F3F for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 10:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpb@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (localhost.v6.thrupoint.net [127.0.0.1]) by sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C034CF9 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 13:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jpb@localhost)h4EHeV4R022022 for freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 May 2003 13:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:40:31 -0400 From: Jim Brown To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030514174031.GA21904@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:40:33 -0000 * Marcel Moolenaar [2003-05-13 20:04]: > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:47:20PM -0400, Jim Brown wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Please have a look at the latest hardware release notes > > page at: > > > > http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/ia64/article.html > > > > and follow up to the list if you have any additions, or > > corrections. > > I slight bogon: Under the supported chipsets, it lists > HP i2000. The BigSur is not a chipset. The BigSur uses > the 460GX chipset. > OK, that's out of the chipset section. A reference to BigSur remains in the USB section, but I qualified it with '(HP i2000)'. > Also: We generally abbreviate Uniprocessor as UP, not UNP. Done > > The stability concern may need to be revisited. I committed > a couple of fixes. Kris is testing it by having package builds > spawned on the machine in question. More on this later... No changes until you confirm... Also- I normalized all reference to 'IA-64' by using &arch.print in almost all places where it would show up. Please let me know if this breaks the other ports. jpb === From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 11:22:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D1C37B401; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030A543FA3; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4EILrwk061499; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:21:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4EILrKj000626; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:21:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4EILrvA000625; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:21:53 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: "Bruce A. Mah" Message-ID: <20030514182153.GB553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i cc: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:22:01 -0000 On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:26:11AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > I would also suggest to remove headings for which we don't have > > a body. In the final version of course. This removes 3.3-3.7, > > 3.9-3.10 and 3.12-3.14. I don't think we don't support ISDN > > devices or FDDI or Firewire, but we simply don't know. Better > > to leave things unsaid... > > Bottom line: It's probably not anything that Jim can do anything > about...sorry about that. :-( No worries. > PS. We could *insert* some MD text into those sections so that they > are not empty, but I can't make the section headings go away. Why not. If all else fails we can sum up the device we think have a chance to work. Just collect all the devices we know about and filter out those devices that don't have PCI interfaces. Given that we don't have much experience in the field, describing what we expect on top of what we know may be informative... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 11:37:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F058537B407; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FBB43F3F; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:37:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with ESMTP id <2003051418375105300d365me>; Wed, 14 May 2003 18:37:51 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4EIbprh065895; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:37:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4EIbpu0065894; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:37:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:37:51 -0700 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <20030514183751.GA65771@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514182153.GB553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030514182153.GB553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ cc: "Bruce A. Mah" cc: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:37:54 -0000 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:26:11AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > PS. We could *insert* some MD text into those sections so that they > > are not empty, but I can't make the section headings go away. >=20 > Why not.=20 It's a really bizarro, stupid SGML problem of my own making. Due to the way I implemented the MD hardware/release notes stuff, if we turn off the section headings, they'll still occupy sequence number space. This would lead to gaps in the section numbering (e.g. "1.1" followed by "1.5"). If I had to do this over again, I would have implemented all of the conditional text with cpp(1) rather than try to be a DocBook and stylesheet purist. :-( > If all else fails we can sum up the device we think have > a chance to work. Just collect all the devices we know about and > filter out those devices that don't have PCI interfaces. Given > that we don't have much experience in the field, describing what > we expect on top of what we know may be informative... That's a thought...I think that the sparc64 hardware notes had some informed conjecture along these lines too (maybe it still does). Thanks, Bruce. --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+woz+2MoxcVugUsMRAtq3AKDDAR4COhkY9S6r+tssPHGKeZtl5gCfdzRx l6lTsJPSZS/1C3QlIkCZ714= =g+SY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 12:03:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF7437B401; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F310543F3F; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4EJ3Wwk061678; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4EJ3WKj000732; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4EJ3Wq4000731; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:03:32 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: "Bruce A. Mah" Message-ID: <20030514190332.GC553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514182153.GB553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514183751.GA65771@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030514183751.GA65771@intruder.bmah.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i cc: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:03:36 -0000 On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:37:51AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > If all else fails we can sum up the device we think have > > a chance to work. Just collect all the devices we know about and > > filter out those devices that don't have PCI interfaces. Given > > that we don't have much experience in the field, describing what > > we expect on top of what we know may be informative... > > That's a thought...I think that the sparc64 hardware notes had some > informed conjecture along these lines too (maybe it still does). Or alternatively: sum up all devices and have a colorcoded bullet that indicates the chance of it working. Something like: Green: Been there, done that Yellow: Should Work (tm) Orange: probably not Red: when hell freezes over Anyway: just more thoughts. I think adding some contents is the way to go. What exactly, I leave to Jim :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 17:56:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D5737B401; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h000103e92f1f.ne.client2.attbi.com (h000103e92f1f.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.62.37.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FF643FB1; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjpelletier@mjpelletier.com) Received: from h000103e92f1f.ne.client2.attbi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h4G0uFMg016992; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:56:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mjpelletier@mjpelletier.com) Received: (from https@localhost)h4G0u9UR016991; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:56:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: h000103e92f1f.ne.client2.attbi.com: https set sender to mjpelletier@mjpelletier.com using -f Received: from AC8C8A4E.ipt.aol.com (AC8C8A4E.ipt.aol.com [172.140.138.78]) by mail.mjpelletier.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:56:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1053046569.f0b2ee7da38a9@mail.mjpelletier.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:56:09 -0400 From: "Michael J. Pelletier" To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_3aa73f7ae9728f97345e60" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs X-Originating-IP: 172.140.138.78 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Quick question ia64 vs amd 32/64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:56:59 -0000 This message is in MIME format. --=_3aa73f7ae9728f97345e60 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_880c74b8de739214b7e634"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This message is in MIME format and has been PGP signed. --=_880c74b8de739214b7e634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am currently doing research into up grading the servers here to a 64 bit architecture. I have a couple of questions: 1) Which architecture is currently supported more Intel or AMD? 2) Which architecture will be maturely supported first by FreeBSD? I seemed to find more hardware companies supporting AMD than Intel with resp= ect to motherboard availability. In your option which architecture is better and why? Thank you in advance for your time, -- \__ Michael J. Pelletier __/ \_ Ashland, MA _/ \ USA / ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ --=_880c74b8de739214b7e634 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: PGP Digital Signature Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+xDcp++kT/uPgVIgRApJNAJ4/PDzzfzkhi6WtF5Uwby4sQEz4EwCgot+z bNy2M/SSHWkUevvJPsNN83w= =QT8/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_880c74b8de739214b7e634-- --=_3aa73f7ae9728f97345e60-- From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 18:39:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D9237B401; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B67143F93; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:39:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G1dfm2042315; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:39:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4G1dfD6042314; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:39:41 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Michael J. Pelletier" Message-ID: <20030516013941.GA38966@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <1053046569.f0b2ee7da38a9@mail.mjpelletier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1053046569.f0b2ee7da38a9@mail.mjpelletier.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Quick question ia64 vs amd 32/64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 01:39:54 -0000 On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:56:09PM -0400, Michael J. Pelletier wrote: > 1) Which architecture is currently supported more Intel or AMD? Intel IA-64 > 2) Which architecture will be maturely supported first by FreeBSD? IMHO, AMD64. Note I am biased though. Today more committers have AMD64 boxes than IA-64, much less 6 mo. from now. The AMD64 platform has a much more common i386 architecture and can share i386's packages. > In your option which architecture is better and why? AMD64, but again I'm strongly biased and this question should be taken to chat@freebsd.org -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 19:47:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FA237B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net [65.242.152.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E84443F85 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpb@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (localhost.v6.thrupoint.net [127.0.0.1]) by sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624E54CF9 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jpb@localhost)h4G2l2qk025130 for freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:47:01 -0400 From: Jim Brown To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030516024701.GA25123@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514182153.GB553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514183751.GA65771@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514190332.GC553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030514190332.GC553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 02:47:06 -0000 * Marcel Moolenaar [2003-05-14 15:03]: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:37:51AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > > > If all else fails we can sum up the device we think have > > > a chance to work. Just collect all the devices we know about and > > > filter out those devices that don't have PCI interfaces. Given > > > that we don't have much experience in the field, describing what > > > we expect on top of what we know may be informative... > > > > That's a thought...I think that the sparc64 hardware notes had some > > informed conjecture along these lines too (maybe it still does). > > Or alternatively: sum up all devices and have a colorcoded bullet that > indicates the chance of it working. Something like: > > Green: Been there, done that > Yellow: Should Work (tm) > Orange: probably not > Red: when hell freezes over > > Anyway: just more thoughts. I think adding some contents is the way > to go. What exactly, I leave to Jim :-) > > -- > Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ia64 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ia64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Sounds like a table to me. I especially like that last row... I'l put some thought into it... jpb === From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 19:48:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A340E37B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net [65.242.152.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DC643FAF for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:48:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpb@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (localhost.v6.thrupoint.net [127.0.0.1]) by sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E174CF9 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jpb@localhost)h4G2mvdk025144 for freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:48:57 -0400 From: Jim Brown To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030516024857.GB25123@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org References: <1053046569.f0b2ee7da38a9@mail.mjpelletier.com> <20030516013941.GA38966@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030516013941.GA38966@dragon.nuxi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Quick question ia64 vs amd 32/64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 02:48:59 -0000 * David O'Brien [2003-05-15 21:40]: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:56:09PM -0400, Michael J. Pelletier wrote: > > 1) Which architecture is currently supported more Intel or AMD? > > Intel IA-64 > > > 2) Which architecture will be maturely supported first by FreeBSD? > > IMHO, AMD64. Note I am biased though. Today more committers have AMD64 > boxes than IA-64, much less 6 mo. from now. The AMD64 platform has a > much more common i386 architecture and can share i386's packages. > > > > In your option which architecture is better and why? > > AMD64, but again I'm strongly biased and this question should be taken to > chat@freebsd.org > > -- > -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ia64 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ia64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > You're probably better off getting infrom from Gartner or Giga. They track stuff like that... jpb === From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 20:52:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84DD37B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CA043F75 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:52:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0FA2A918 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:52:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20030516024857.GB25123@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:52:43 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030516035243.4C0FA2A918@canning.wemm.org> Subject: Re: Quick question ia64 vs amd 32/64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 03:52:44 -0000 Jim Brown wrote: > * David O'Brien [2003-05-15 21:40]: > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:56:09PM -0400, Michael J. Pelletier wrote: > > > 1) Which architecture is currently supported more Intel or AMD? > > > > Intel IA-64 > > > > > 2) Which architecture will be maturely supported first by FreeBSD? > > > > IMHO, AMD64. Note I am biased though. Today more committers have AMD64 > > boxes than IA-64, much less 6 mo. from now. The AMD64 platform has a > > much more common i386 architecture and can share i386's packages. > > > > > > > In your option which architecture is better and why? > > > > AMD64, but again I'm strongly biased and this question should be taken to > > chat@freebsd.org > > > > -- > > -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) > > You're probably better off getting infrom from Gartner or > Giga. They track stuff like that... They probably dont track FreeBSD kernel stability on the two respective platforms. The FreeBSD/amd64 is way more robust than FreeBSD/ia64 at the moment. This is probably because it is a far less complicated system to target and we can lean directly on the i386 code. Anyway, FreeBSD/amd64 hasn't been released yet so its a bit academic until then. But it is coming along at a very nice pace and there'll probably be an unofficial 5.1 ISO of it. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 21:27:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F7237B401; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2913F43FA3; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G4RHwk070924; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:27:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G4RHml002223; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:27:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4G4RHi1002222; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:27:17 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: "Michael J. Pelletier" Message-ID: <20030516042717.GA2132@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <1053046569.f0b2ee7da38a9@mail.mjpelletier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1053046569.f0b2ee7da38a9@mail.mjpelletier.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quick question ia64 vs amd 32/64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 04:27:19 -0000 On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:56:09PM -0400, Michael J. Pelletier wrote: > Hello, > > I am currently doing research into up grading the servers here to a 64 bit > architecture. I have a couple of questions: > > 1) Which architecture is currently supported more Intel or AMD? > 2) Which architecture will be maturely supported first by FreeBSD? At this time the FreeBSD/ia64 port is ahead of the FreeBSD/amd64 port because the latter has just started. I think that the FreeBSD/amd64 port will mature more quickly due to various reasons, of which one you mention below. When and how amd64 will surpass ia64 is basicly an unknown and it may not happen at all. > I seemed to find more hardware companies supporting AMD than Intel > with respect > to motherboard availability. > In your option which architecture is better and why? I doubt your business needs are served with my opinion on this matter. I also don't think that my definition of better is compatible with the use of better in your question. Hence: the answer is left as an exercise to the reader (an exercise in speculation :-) HTH, -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 08:29:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F2137B401 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 08:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net [65.242.152.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E316443F3F for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 08:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpb@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (localhost.v6.thrupoint.net [127.0.0.1]) by sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2085C4CF9 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 11:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jpb@localhost)h4GFTP7w026379 for freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 11:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:29:25 -0400 From: Jim Brown To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030516152925.GA26202@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514182153.GB553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514183751.GA65771@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030514183751.GA65771@intruder.bmah.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:29:28 -0000 * Bruce A. Mah [2003-05-14 14:38]: > If memory serves me right, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:26:11AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > > > PS. We could *insert* some MD text into those sections so that they > > > are not empty, but I can't make the section headings go away. > > > > Why not. > > It's a really bizarro, stupid SGML problem of my own making. Due to > the way I implemented the MD hardware/release notes stuff, if we turn > off the section headings, they'll still occupy sequence number space. > This would lead to gaps in the section numbering (e.g. "1.1" followed > by "1.5"). > > If I had to do this over again, I would have implemented all of the > conditional text with cpp(1) rather than try to be a DocBook and > stylesheet purist. :-( It *is* difficult to work through the pages as they exist now, trying to make sure you have the proper arch="foo" tags. Ugh. There has been talk on -STABLE of a hardware database project along the lines of the Linux hardware database. If that gets going, we ought to be able to leverage that. > > > If all else fails we can sum up the device we think have > > a chance to work. Just collect all the devices we know about and > > filter out those devices that don't have PCI interfaces. Given > > that we don't have much experience in the field, describing what > > we expect on top of what we know may be informative... > > That's a thought...I think that the sparc64 hardware notes had some > informed conjecture along these lines too (maybe it still does). I seem to be in the middle here- I don't have any IA-64 hardware at all and must depend on the list for knowledge of working hardware. I'll work up a sample table I mentioned in my other email, but I still need to know what to put into it. > > Thanks, > > Bruce. Best Regards, jpb === From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 20:50:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D8237B401 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 20:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net [65.242.152.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB03D43F85 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 20:50:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpb@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (localhost.v6.thrupoint.net [127.0.0.1]) by sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B194CF9 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 23:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jpb@localhost)h4H3oo2t027322 for freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 23:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 23:50:50 -0400 From: Jim Brown To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030517035050.GA27183@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514182153.GB553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514183751.GA65771@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514190332.GC553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030514190332.GC553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 03:50:52 -0000 * Marcel Moolenaar [2003-05-14 15:03]: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:37:51AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > > > If all else fails we can sum up the device we think have > > > a chance to work. Just collect all the devices we know about and > > > filter out those devices that don't have PCI interfaces. Given > > > that we don't have much experience in the field, describing what > > > we expect on top of what we know may be informative... > > > > That's a thought...I think that the sparc64 hardware notes had some > > informed conjecture along these lines too (maybe it still does). > > Or alternatively: sum up all devices and have a colorcoded bullet that > indicates the chance of it working. Something like: > > Green: Been there, done that > Yellow: Should Work (tm) > Orange: probably not > Red: when hell freezes over > > Anyway: just more thoughts. I think adding some contents is the way > to go. What exactly, I leave to Jim :-) > Well, there is now a table- but I still have no idea of content... I did look as the sparc64 page but was not able to pull out the 'informed conjecture' noted above. I must be really dense lately... Anyway, the table is available. Who wants to help set the table? :^) http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/ia64/article.html Color was fun; we should do more of that. Note- I only changed the HTML source on this page and added corresponding entries in the local docbook.css stylesheet, not the SGML originals. I just wanted to see if I could get table headings in different colors. If you like it, we should be able to work it in. I used classes. Best Regards, jpb === From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 21:50:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C871E37B401 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 21:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FF243F75 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 21:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4H4oXwk077447 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 21:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4H4oWWI049481 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 21:50:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4H4oWop049480 for freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 21:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 21:50:32 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030517045032.GA49372@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514182153.GB553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514183751.GA65771@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514190332.GC553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030517035050.GA27183@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030517035050.GA27183@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 04:50:35 -0000 On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 11:50:50PM -0400, Jim Brown wrote: > > Well, there is now a table- but I still have no idea of content... The colors look nice, but it may be difficult to use in this form. A list of devices is what it's called: a list. A one- dimensional thingy :-) What if we list all the device drivers we have (ordered on driver name) and give the driver name the color coding. Something like: mpt(4) - Driver for the LSILogic blablabla vesa(4) - Generic VESA video driver This is a format that works well when there's a database for this kind of info. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 09:01:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C3F37B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F05743FD7 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with ESMTP id <20030517160134053007f8tge>; Sat, 17 May 2003 16:01:34 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4HG1Xrh004252 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4HG1X5j004251 for freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:01:33 -0700 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030517160133.GA3594@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514182153.GB553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514183751.GA65771@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514190332.GC553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030517035050.GA27183@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030517035050.GA27183@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:01:36 -0000 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline If memory serves me right, Jim Brown wrote: > > Color was fun; we should do more of that. Note- I only changed > the HTML source on this page and added corresponding entries in the > local docbook.css stylesheet, not the SGML originals. I just wanted to see > if I could get table headings in different colors. If you like it, > we should be able to work it in. I used classes. > Interesting work! I'm going to play devil's advocate in just this one message just to air a couple of concerns. Regardless, I'm glad you are working on this stuff. 1. We don't want to make the meaning of the table dependant on color (especially in HTML). Two reasons: o Some people have difficulty visually distinguishing colors. o I don't want to lose the ability to have meaningful, decent-looking dead-tree versions of documents, which are usually rendered in PostScript or PDF. 2. As you know, we try to keep the hardware notes as MI as possible, so I want to make sure that your changes still fit into this framework. (Maybe the premise that we can have mostly-MI release documentation is a mistake, but that's another issue.) Do you have the SGML sources for your changes available somewhere? I'd like to think about folding some of these back into the sources. How closely are you tracking the HEAD sources? Thanks! Bruce. PS. I marked you as the owner of the "ia64 hardware notes" task on the 5.1 release TODO list, so don't be surprised if you see your name there. :-) --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+xlzd2MoxcVugUsMRAv+QAKCPib0F7K3DPLdlGzIdvL3LtFYwigCeOIF8 W1Pb4khbP5NkYE5SG9puBI8= =ByxU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 14:37:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A4837B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 14:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net [65.242.152.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E61843FA3 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 14:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpb@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net) Received: from sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (localhost.v6.thrupoint.net [127.0.0.1]) by sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9674CF9 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jpb@localhost)h4HLbq7b031927 for freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:37:52 -0400 From: Jim Brown To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030517213752.GA31520@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514182153.GB553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514183751.GA65771@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514190332.GC553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030517035050.GA27183@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030517160133.GA3594@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030517160133.GA3594@intruder.bmah.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 21:37:54 -0000 * Bruce A. Mah [2003-05-17 12:02]: > If memory serves me right, Jim Brown wrote: > > > > > Color was fun; we should do more of that. Note- I only changed > > the HTML source on this page and added corresponding entries in the > > local docbook.css stylesheet, not the SGML originals. I just wanted to see > > if I could get table headings in different colors. If you like it, > > we should be able to work it in. I used classes. > > > > Interesting work! Thanks! > > I'm going to play devil's advocate in just this one message just to > air a couple of concerns. Regardless, I'm glad you are working on > this stuff. > > 1. We don't want to make the meaning of the table dependant on color > (especially in HTML). Two reasons: > > o Some people have difficulty visually distinguishing colors. > > o I don't want to lose the ability to have meaningful, > decent-looking dead-tree versions of documents, which are > usually rendered in PostScript or PDF. Right. Color doesn't usually render well in Black&White print. Even with hatch/thatch/dithering schemes it just never looks good. I fully agree. > > 2. As you know, we try to keep the hardware notes as MI as possible, > so I want to make sure that your changes still fit into this > framework. (Maybe the premise that we can have mostly-MI > release documentation is a mistake, but that's another issue.) This is going to be the hard part. I tried to modify the tables but it just doesnt' work well. With all four columns, the spacing shrinks until it's unworkable: http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/ia64/T01/article.html With just one column at a time, the presentation is better, but the underlying structure doesn't support it very well: http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/ia64/T02/article.html With the example above, I can't get the SCSI sections into the table without big gaps resulting from the intervening non arch="ia64" paragraphs. I think what we ought to do here is to just try and get the material out in some modified paragraph format for the release, then work on a plan for re-working the MI architecture somehow. Finally- have a look at: http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/ia64/WORKING/article.html I used the construction to simulate a table. This is structured within a <para="ia64"> so it shouldn't affect other MI sections. This is probably the best we can do until we rethink the MI issues. But- I'm still learning this stuff, so if you or anyone has another suggestion, I'll be glad to follow it up. > > Do you have the SGML sources for your changes available somewhere? > I'd like to think about folding some of these back into the sources. > How closely are you tracking the HEAD sources? I mirror the CVS repository using 'cvs-all' (*default release=cvs), and run my checkouts against my own tree. I'm updating every 4 hours. I set it up so that I could get more involved in testing -CURRENT and providing feedback, but my other machine is now in use for something more pressing. > > Thanks! > > Bruce. > > PS. I marked you as the owner of the "ia64 hardware notes" task on > the 5.1 release TODO list, so don't be surprised if you see your name > there. :-) !!! Guess I better get busy and finish this up... Best Regards, jpb === PS- Apologies to all readers of this list hoping for more technical content on the platform- it's coming back soon! From owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 15:19:45 2003 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B1637B401 for <freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org>; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA2A43FBD for <freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org>; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:19:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4HMJiwk084971 for <freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org>; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:19:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4HMJiZA001233 for <freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org>; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:19:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4HMJifG001232 for freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:19:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:19:44 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net> To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030517221944.GA1046@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030513204720.GA20034@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030514000418.GA735@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514162611.GA64570@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514182153.GB553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030514183751.GA65771@intruder.bmah.org> <20030514190332.GC553@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030517035050.GA27183@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> <20030517160133.GA3594@intruder.bmah.org> <20030517213752.GA31520@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030517213752.GA31520@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ia64 5.1-BETA Hardware Notes Page Preview X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the IA-64 <freebsd-ia64.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ia64>, <mailto:freebsd-ia64-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ia64> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-ia64-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ia64>, <mailto:freebsd-ia64-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:19:45 -0000 On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 05:37:52PM -0400, Jim Brown wrote: > > Finally- have a look at: > > http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/ia64/WORKING/article.html > > I used the <note><title> construction to simulate a table. > This is structured within a <para="ia64"> so it shouldn't affect > other MI sections. > > This is probably the best we can do until we rethink the MI issues. > But- I'm still learning this stuff, so if you or anyone has another > suggestion, I'll be glad to follow it up. It's definitely good enough for now. Go for it... > PS- Apologies to all readers of this list hoping for more technical > content on the platform- it's coming back soon! Don't worry about it. I don't expect everbody on the list to focus on the nitty-gritty details of the inner workings of the kernel. People generally use the list for everything ia64 related. This definitely fits :-) Thanks for helping out! -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net