From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 3 08:06:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA21437B401 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer.cat.co.za (mail.cat.co.za [196.33.33.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 409D443FBF for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:06:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bradd@cat.co.za) Received: (qmail 9443 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 16:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stuart) (196.33.33.52) by mail.cat.co.za with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 16:05:35 -0000 Message-ID: <00e301c2f9fa$d8ac5cb0$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> From: "Brad" To: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:05:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:06:17 -0000 Hi I was wanting to find out if isdn4bsd supported external ISDN modems = (serial or USB), or are ISDN cards the only option.=20 Thanks=20 Brad From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 3 09:40:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6EF37B404 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:40:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from dual.staaken.org (IP-213157024118.dialin.heagmedianet.de [213.157.24.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A92D43F3F for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from free@staaken.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dual.staaken.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h33HdRXV040519; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:39:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from free@staaken.org) From: Jan To: Brad In-Reply-To: <00e301c2f9fa$d8ac5cb0$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> References: <00e301c2f9fa$d8ac5cb0$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1049391567.28571.2.camel@dual.staaken.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 03 Apr 2003 19:39:27 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:40:06 -0000 > I was wanting to find out if isdn4bsd supported external ISDN modems (serial or USB), or are ISDN cards the only option. usually these external isdn-modems act as normal modems, so you can't use i4b. you can use the 'classical' ppp-stuff here. JAN From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 3 22:01:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A1A37B401 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer.cat.co.za (pop.cat.co.za [196.33.33.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8E7A43F93 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:01:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bradd@cat.co.za) Received: (qmail 21693 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 06:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stuart) (196.33.33.52) by mail.cat.co.za with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 06:00:53 -0000 Message-ID: <01b801c2fa6f$876a9c20$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> From: "Brad" To: "Jan" References: <00e301c2f9fa$d8ac5cb0$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> <1049391567.28571.2.camel@dual.staaken.org> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:00:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 cc: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 06:01:59 -0000 What's the advantage using i4b then, as opposed to isdn-modems as normal modems? Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" To: "Brad" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards > > I was wanting to find out if isdn4bsd supported external ISDN modems (serial or USB), or are ISDN cards the only option. > > usually these external isdn-modems act as normal modems, so you can't > use i4b. you can use the 'classical' ppp-stuff here. > > JAN > > From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 3 23:16:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE01737B401 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 23:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from peedub.jennejohn.org (p62.246.211.168.tisdip.tiscali.de [62.246.211.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC7843F85 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 23:16:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garyj@jennejohn.org) Received: from peedub.jennejohn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.jennejohn.org (8.12.9/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h347FluN002558; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:16:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.jennejohn.org) Message-Id: <200304040716.h347FluN002558@peedub.jennejohn.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.3 To: "Brad" In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:00:42 +0200." <01b801c2fa6f$876a9c20$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:15:47 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn cc: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org cc: Jan Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 07:16:46 -0000 "Brad" writes: > What's the advantage using i4b then, as opposed to isdn-modems as normal > modems? > I4B is meant to support internal ISDN cards. If you want to use an external ISDN TA then there's no reason to even think about I4B. --- Gary Jennejohn / garyj@jennejohn.org gj@freebsd.org gj@denx.de From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 3 23:55:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B1737B401 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 23:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer.cat.co.za (pop.cat.co.za [196.33.33.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A17E243FA3 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 23:54:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bradd@cat.co.za) Received: (qmail 13005 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 07:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stuart) (196.33.33.52) by mail.cat.co.za with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 07:34:26 -0000 Message-ID: <024501c2fa7c$99285080$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> From: "Brad" To: "Gary Jennejohn" References: <200304040716.h347FluN002558@peedub.jennejohn.org> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:34:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 cc: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org cc: Jan Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 07:55:03 -0000 Is there a performance benefit using an ISDN card with i4b over an ISDN TA? Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Jennejohn" To: "Brad" Cc: "Jan" ; Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:15 AM Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards > "Brad" writes: > > What's the advantage using i4b then, as opposed to isdn-modems as normal > > modems? > > > > I4B is meant to support internal ISDN cards. If you want to use an external > ISDN TA then there's no reason to even think about I4B. > > --- > Gary Jennejohn / garyj@jennejohn.org gj@freebsd.org gj@denx.de > > From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 00:18:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C1937B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23BC43F93 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:18:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mh@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de (daemon@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.4]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22500 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:15:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from mh@localhost) by fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) id h348FVg11400 for freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:15:31 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:15:31 +0200 From: Matthias Heidbrink To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030404081531.GA9973@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <200304040716.h347FluN002558@peedub.jennejohn.org> <024501c2fa7c$99285080$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <024501c2fa7c$99285080$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:18:51 -0000 On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 09:34:17AM +0200, Brad wrote: > Is there a performance benefit using an ISDN card with i4b over an ISDN TA? I would assume that the delay is a bit lower. But this should only influence the response time of interactive applications over a connection, not the transfer rate or things like that. The main difference is that passive ISDN cards are much cheaper than ISDN TAs. Ciao, Matthias From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 00:19:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB0E37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from peedub.jennejohn.org (p62.246.211.168.tisdip.tiscali.de [62.246.211.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E9043F85 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:19:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garyj@jennejohn.org) Received: from peedub.jennejohn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.jennejohn.org (8.12.9/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h348J3uN007026; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:19:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.jennejohn.org) Message-Id: <200304040819.h348J3uN007026@peedub.jennejohn.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.3 To: "Brad" In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:34:17 +0200." <024501c2fa7c$99285080$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 10:19:03 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn cc: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org cc: Jan Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:19:22 -0000 "Brad" writes: > Is there a performance benefit using an ISDN card with i4b over an ISDN TA? > Not in my experience. 64 Kb/s is easily handled by a serial port, so you generally get the full bandwidth. One advantage that a card brings is fewer interrupts. since most cards only interrupt every 32 bytes, whereas a TA interrupts for every byte, but if you have a fast CPU it makes little difference. Cards are usually cheaper than TAs, though. --- Gary Jennejohn / garyj@jennejohn.org gj@freebsd.org gj@denx.de From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 00:24:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352B837B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274B443FA3 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:24:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www-data@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h348Oh3O006123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:24:43 +0200 Received: (from www-data@localhost) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-1) id h348Ohxj006121; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:24:43 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:24:43 +0200 Message-Id: <200304040824.h348Ohxj006121@hirsch.in-berlin.de> X-Envelope-From: www-data X-Envelope-To: ripley@nostromo.in-berlin.de From: ripley@nostromo.in-berlin.de To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Sender: postmaster@nostromo.in-berlin.de X-Mailer: UUCP WebMail - IN-Berlin e.V. Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:24:46 -0000 "Brad" writes: > Is there a performance benefit using an ISDN card with i4b over an ISDN > TA? For a starter passive internal cards have a tendency to perform better on your budget than external active modems. They may have a better throughput performance as well if the serial port to which the external modem would be attached may have a lower bandwidth than the external link (128kBit vs. 115kBit). HTH, Ripley From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 02:18:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D9E37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 02:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from jhs.muc.de (pD9EB742C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.116.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347DC43FAF for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 02:18:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34AMxT43082; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:22:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34AMi144844; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:22:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200304041022.h34AMi144844@flip.jhs.private> To: "Brad" , freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message from Gary Jennejohn <200304040819.h348J3uN007026@peedub.jennejohn.org> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:22:44 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 10:18:43 -0000 > "Brad" writes: > > Is there a performance benefit using an ISDN card with i4b over an ISDN TA? Feature benefit also, which keeps me a keen i4b addict, even though I now also use flat rate DSL at 768 Kbps for normal net access. i4b allows you to have the name (or number) of everyone who phones you pop up on your screen i4b logs in & outgoing calls, useful to check phone bill, EG isdnd.log3:13.03.2003 14:04:36 CHD 00016 \ Call from "TH Gary Jennejohn" to "TH +Julian Personal" Remote end identification, useful for additional security in addition to all Unix type password stuff. (which I suppose only phone exchange technicians are in a position to forge :-) Maybe some of those features are achievable with an ISDN TA, but I've never tried, & no need now, as people give me 8 & 16 bit isdn cards for free these days, & an internal card is one less box, 'cos the seperate small PCs firewall/gates already exist here. I've still got a few 8 bit i4b compliant cards Hellmuth gave me, after I sent him a wedge of stamps to lubricate his stock clearance :-). If anyone wants one, terms in prefered order are: 1 Free if you post me a pre paid pre stamped & addressed container. 2 Free, if you collect (there's a Vintage Computer Fest Europa http://www.vcfe.org coming up in Munich soon) 3 If you want me to box it, & calculate postage to some random part of world, pre pay in {Euro postage stamps} or {Euro/UK sterling/US dollar} cash or {Euro/UK Sterling (but no US $) - international bank charges are prohibitive} {cheque or bank transfer} in advance, adding price of 2 beers at bar prices, & next time Hellmuth visits Munich I'll buy him a beer. Private mail first if interested. Option 1 is best. Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 04:23:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAFD37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 04:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer.cat.co.za (mailer.cat.co.za [196.33.33.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE3BE43F75 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 04:23:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bradd@cat.co.za) Received: (qmail 7026 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 12:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stuart) (196.33.33.52) by mail.cat.co.za with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 12:22:32 -0000 Message-ID: <035a01c2faa4$d2130e80$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> From: "Brad" To: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:22:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: ISDN Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:23:19 -0000 Hi=20 Could someone please confirm if an internal terminal adapter will work = with i4b? Brad From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 04:47:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6021937B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 04:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from math.teaser.net (math.teaser.net [213.91.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABF943FB1 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 04:47:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from e-masson@kisoft-services.com) Received: from notbsdems.interne.kisoft-services.com (nantes.kisoft-services.com [193.56.60.243]) by math.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A466C806; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by notbsdems.interne.kisoft-services.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E18E55B711; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:47:14 +0200 (CEST) To: "Brad" From: Eric Masson In-Reply-To: <035a01c2faa4$d2130e80$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> (Brad's message of "Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:22:09 +0200") References: <035a01c2faa4$d2130e80$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-RC i386 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:47:14 +0200 Message-ID: <86wuiasa3x.fsf@notbsdems.interne.kisoft-services.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.090018 (Oort Gnus v0.18) XEmacs/21.4 (Common Lisp, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISDN Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:47:36 -0000 >>>>> "Brad" == Brad writes: Brad> Hi Could someone please confirm if an internal terminal adapter Brad> will work with i4b? Depends on the chipset used in the card, check your card and then : http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=isdn&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+4.7-stable&apropos=1&format=html Eric Masson -- FB: Je suis a la recherche sur mac d'un outil de generation de bruitages (zip, boum, paf, ...) NS: C'est un gag? fcsm te suffit pas? ;-) -+- NS in Guide du Macounet Pervers : Lisez la charte nom de Jobs! -+- From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 05:18:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82DF37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 05:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from jhs.muc.de (pD9EB742C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.116.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321F843FAF for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 05:18:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34DMQT43609; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:22:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h34DMB146194; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:22:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200304041322.h34DMB146194@flip.jhs.private> To: "Brad" , freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message from "Julian H. Stacey" <200304041022.h34AMi144844@flip.jhs.private> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:22:11 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:18:10 -0000 I wrote: > I've still got a few 8 bit i4b compliant cards Hellmuth gave me, after Detail of my 6 cards: "Teles S0-Karte Revision 1.2 Copyright 1992 by TELES" 8 bit ISA slot 9 pin D shape female connector You have to make up your own simple converter cable, pin out on http://www.berklix.com/jhs/standards/rs232.v24 (dont worry it IS isdn despite plug shape & file name) Postage detail (so others perf. not me can work out postage :-) raw card size unpacked: 15 cm x 13 cm x 2cm ~ 100 grams naked (without even an anti static bag weighed in) Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 06:47:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8741D37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 06:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DAA43F85 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 06:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mh@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de (daemon@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.4]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25016 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:45:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from mh@localhost) by fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) id h34EjZJ28527; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:45:35 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:45:34 +0200 From: Matthias Heidbrink To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Cc: Message-ID: <20030404144534.GA25248@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <035a01c2faa4$d2130e80$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <035a01c2faa4$d2130e80$5e22a8c0@cat.co.za> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: Re: ISDN Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:47:33 -0000 Hi, On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 02:22:09PM +0200, Brad wrote: > Could someone please confirm if an internal terminal adapter will work with i4b? It won't. The only difference between an internal and an external TA is that on the internal one, the UART (serial interface chip) is on the same card as the TA. If your internal TA has got an UART that is supported by your BSD system, you can use the standard PPP stuff like you would do with an modem. Just to make this difference clear: A modem or a TA, may it be internal or external, is an intelligent device that can do the line protocol (be it analogue or ISDN) on its own and offers a serial interface for high-level commands and data to the computer. An ISDN card is usually quite a dumb device that offers not much more than a hardware interface between the ISDN bus and the combuter's internal bus. Most of the ISDN protocol and an API for applications must be offered by the drivers. This task (and a lot more) is what I4b is for. The problem that is solved by i4b simply does not exist if you use a TA, so there's no way to use i4b with a TA. Hope that this finally answers all your questions ;-) . Ciao, Matthias From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 10:32:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1ACA37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from sep.oldach.net (sep.oldach.net [194.180.25.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7589943FB1 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:32:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: from sep.oldach.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])h34IWQTb069352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:32:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by sep.oldach.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h34IWFJC069324; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:32:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hmo) Message-Id: <200304041832.h34IWFJC069324@sep.oldach.net> In-Reply-To: <200304041022.h34AMi144844@flip.jhs.private> from "Julian H. Stacey" at "Apr 4, 2003 12:22:44 pm" To: jhs@berklix.com (Julian H. Stacey) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:32:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Helge Oldach X-Message-Flag: No HTML mail please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 18:32:56 -0000 Julian H. Stacey: > > "Brad" writes: > > > Is there a performance benefit using an ISDN card with i4b over an ISDN TA? Apart from the issues mentioned already there is a minor encapsulation gain. While on an external TA you usually can run HDLC encapsulation with byte stuffing only, an internal card would allow for bit stuffing which is slightly more efficient. In practice however the delta is so small that it's probably not worth explaining the difference. :-) It does matter only if you utilize the link at full speed with true binary data (precisely, with a randomly distributed amount of 0x7E patterns). > adding price of 2 beers at bar prices, & next time > Hellmuth visits Munich I'll buy him a beer. Hellmuth, being used to north Germany beer strength, will probably need both in Bavarian beers for a noticable effect. :-) Helge From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 11:36:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5BA37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from beverly.kleinbus.org (p508E200A.dip.t-dialin.net [80.142.32.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D02F43FBD for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:36:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from is@beverly.kleinbus.org) Received: by beverly.kleinbus.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id D7F72E96F; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:35:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:35:55 +0200 From: Ignatios Souvatzis To: Helge Oldach Message-ID: <20030404193555.GA9775@beverly.kleinbus.org> References: <200304041022.h34AMi144844@flip.jhs.private> <200304041832.h34IWFJC069324@sep.oldach.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200304041832.h34IWFJC069324@sep.oldach.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org cc: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:36:13 -0000 Hi, On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 08:32:15PM +0200, Helge Oldach wrote: > Apart from the issues mentioned already there is a minor encapsulation > gain. While on an external TA you usually can run HDLC encapsulation > with byte stuffing only, an internal card would allow for bit stuffing > which is slightly more efficient. err... sane ISDN TA do (well, can be operated) in a mode where computer-side async HDLC is converted to line-side sync HDLC. Everything else would not interoperate with the PPP over ISDN at the other end. Unless you only want to run V110/V120 instead of full speed, of course. Regards, -is From owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 4 11:47:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E92A37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:47:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sep.oldach.net (sep.oldach.net [194.180.25.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1C543F75 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:47:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: from sep.oldach.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])h34Jl6Tb069886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:47:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hmo@sep.oldach.net) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by sep.oldach.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h34Jkw2u069881; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:46:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hmo) Message-Id: <200304041946.h34Jkw2u069881@sep.oldach.net> In-Reply-To: <20030404193555.GA9775@beverly.kleinbus.org> from Ignatios Souvatzis at "Apr 4, 2003 9:35:55 pm" To: is@beverly.kleinbus.org (Ignatios Souvatzis) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:46:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Helge Oldach X-Message-Flag: No HTML mail please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org cc: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD Modems & Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Using ISDN with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:47:39 -0000 Ignatios Souvatzis: > On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 08:32:15PM +0200, Helge Oldach wrote: > > > Apart from the issues mentioned already there is a minor encapsulation > > gain. While on an external TA you usually can run HDLC encapsulation > > with byte stuffing only, an internal card would allow for bit stuffing > > which is slightly more efficient. > sane ISDN TA do (well, can be operated) in a mode where computer-side > async HDLC is converted to line-side sync HDLC. ACK, with the buzzword being "sane". In my (of course biased) perception that translates to: too many options, too many parameters, too many bugs to make this a truely reliable thing over a wide range of TAs. (Been there, done that, concluded that it is Not Funny (tm).) OTOH this is essentially a non-issue with internal cards because there is full access to whatever HDLC framing you like. As always, YMMV, and in fact it might also be an enlightening experience to fiddle with external TAs... :-) Helge