From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 0: 1:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6AC37B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 00:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC90843F75 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 00:01:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hm@kts.org) Received: from fwd01.sul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18x0Pp-0002Vx-0F; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:01:13 +0100 Received: from ernie.kts.org (520021727764-0001@[217.227.39.85]) by fmrl01.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18x0Pj-1LwriaC; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:01:07 +0100 Received: from bert.int.kts.org (bert.int.kts.org [172.31.42.2]) by ernie.kts.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EE14C98B; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:01:06 +0100 (CET) Received: by bert.int.kts.org (Postfix, from userid 100) id 3D7195499; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:01:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Production Machine, Custom Kernel, Updating to P9 In-Reply-To: <20030322125653.V11496@seven.alameda.net> To: ulf@Alameda.net Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:01:06 +0100 (CET) Cc: Lewis Watson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL99b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20030323080106.3D7195499@bert.int.kts.org> From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) X-Sender: 520021727764-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > Here is in short form what I do in production machines: > > cvsup (RELENG_4 or RELENG_4_7 depending what it runs) > cd /usr/src > make buildworld > make buildkernel KERNCONF= > make installkernel KERNCON= > make installworld > mergemaster > > I am doing it all the time, even on machines remotely, with no consoles. Do you bring down the machine to single user mode for "make installworld" ? If not, what is your experience with doing a "make installworld" on a running system ? hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Hamburg, Europe hm\at\kts.org www.kts.org a duck is like a bicycle because they both have two wheels except the duck (tl) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 0:45:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB8D37B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 00:45:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from seven.Alameda.net (seven.Alameda.net [64.81.63.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EB643F3F for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 00:45:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@Alameda.net) Received: by seven.Alameda.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8936A3A203; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 00:45:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 00:45:21 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Hellmuth Michaelis Cc: ulf@Alameda.net, Lewis Watson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Production Machine, Custom Kernel, Updating to P9 Message-ID: <20030323004521.W11496@seven.alameda.net> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <20030322125653.V11496@seven.alameda.net> <20030323080106.3D7195499@bert.int.kts.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030323080106.3D7195499@bert.int.kts.org>; from hm@kts.org on Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 09:01:06AM +0100 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p2 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 09:01:06AM +0100, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > > > Here is in short form what I do in production machines: > > > > cvsup (RELENG_4 or RELENG_4_7 depending what it runs) > > cd /usr/src > > make buildworld > > make buildkernel KERNCONF= > > make installkernel KERNCON= > > make installworld > > mergemaster > > > > I am doing it all the time, even on machines remotely, with no consoles. > > Do you bring down the machine to single user mode for "make installworld" ? > > If not, what is your experience with doing a "make installworld" on a > running system ? > > hellmuth > -- > Hellmuth Michaelis Hamburg, Europe hm\at\kts.org www.kts.org > a duck is like a bicycle because they both have two wheels except the duck (tl) I usual do not bring it down, but I usual stop services before doing it. Stopping services, installworld, mergemaster and reboot is usual only 5 minutes. -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 You can find my resume at: http://seven.Alameda.net/~ulf/resume.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 1:57: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC9A37B407 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 01:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com (mailout09.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036D143F3F for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 01:57:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18x2Do-0004ep-04; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:56:56 +0100 Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (520065502893-0001@[217.83.27.58]) by fmrl04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18x2Da-0eWmumC; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:56:42 +0100 Received: from Magelan.Leidinger.net (Magelan [192.168.1.1]) by Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2N9ueOq052926; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:56:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from Magelan.Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id h2N9ueE9008962; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:56:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:56:40 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger To: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Cc: ulf@Alameda.net, lists@visionsix.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Production Machine, Custom Kernel, Updating to P9 Message-Id: <20030323105640.41aba4df.Alexander@Leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: <20030323080106.3D7195499@bert.int.kts.org> References: <20030322125653.V11496@seven.alameda.net> <20030323080106.3D7195499@bert.int.kts.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 520065502893-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:01:06 +0100 (CET) hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) wrote: > Do you bring down the machine to single user mode for "make installworld" ? > > If not, what is your experience with doing a "make installworld" on a > running system ? I did a lot of updates without ever being in SU mode. A lot of production class systems (the minority of them had a backup system for failover). So far I had only 1 case (as far as I can remember), where the update caused an interrupt of the services running on the system (not counting the necessary reboot after the update). This case was either the update from 3-stable to 4.1.1 or the update from 4.1.1 to 4.2 (or something like this). The cause was an incompatible change in OpenSSL without a library version bump (which wasn't a problem because of the installworld in MU mode). Even if this particular problem wasn't known in advance to me, I expected to have a 'problem' with this particular update, so the update was done at a time where a 'hickup' wouldn't have a huge impact. If you want to go the safe route, you maybe want to redefine INSTALL to "install -S" in make.conf (I did every update without redefining it so far, but maybe this will change... just to be on the safe side). And for the general audience: You should have enough free space on the disk(s) off course (specially on a softupdates enabled slice), else the installworld may fail, but this is a general problem again and not particular to a installworld in MU mode. BTW.: Everyone who updates from 4.6: watch out for old MySQL start scripts (the contain the sequence "& &&" in one line, workaround: split the line after the first '&' and remove "&&"), they will fail to start MySQL after the update to 4.7. Bye, Alexander. -- Reboot America. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 5:57:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD0337B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 05:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388FC43FAF for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 05:57:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2NDvi6u097997 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:57:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2NDvh4j097996 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:57:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:57:43 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Production Machine, Custom Kernel, Updating to P9 Message-ID: <20030323135743.GA97849@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <20030322125653.V11496@seven.alameda.net> <20030323080106.3D7195499@bert.int.kts.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030323080106.3D7195499@bert.int.kts.org> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.43 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ashes to ashes, and DOS to DOS Hellmuth Michaelis was heard to say on or about Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 09:01 : > Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > > > Here is in short form what I do in production machines: > > cvsup (RELENG_4 or RELENG_4_7 depending what it runs) > > cd /usr/src > > make buildworld > > make buildkernel KERNCONF= > > make installkernel KERNCON= > > make installworld > > mergemaster > > I am doing it all the time, even on machines remotely, with no consoles. > Do you bring down the machine to single user mode for "make > installworld" ? > If not, what is your experience with doing a "make installworld" on a > running system ? Unless you have a way in through serial ports you do have to be up in multi-user mode to be able to get into the machine via a network - unless someone has some magic commands that I'm not aware of. I do the above - and since they are remoted machines - I do them in step - and run the commands with a command like nohup make buildworld & Then I log out. I check later and look at the nohup.out and if it's ok go to the next step. I only do the make installworld if the kernel reboot into multi-user mode fails - and it has never failed so far. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 7:41:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4587F37B404 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nortenet.pt (mar.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CF043F93 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:41:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from guilherme@nortenet.pt) Received: from nortenet.pt (v2-pppS40.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.100]) by mail.nortenet.pt (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h2NEd5a30404 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:39:09 +0100 Message-ID: <3E7DD572.1020700@nortenet.pt> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:40:34 +0000 From: "Guilherme J. R. Oliveira" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030308 X-Accept-Language: pt, pt-br, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Production Machine, Custom Kernel, Updating to P9 References: <20030322125653.V11496@seven.alameda.net> <20030323080106.3D7195499@bert.int.kts.org> <20030323004521.W11496@seven.alameda.net> In-Reply-To: <20030323004521.W11496@seven.alameda.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 09:01:06AM +0100, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: >>Do you bring down the machine to single user mode for "make installworld" ? >> >>If not, what is your experience with doing a "make installworld" on a >>running system ? >> >>hellmuth >>-- >>Hellmuth Michaelis Hamburg, Europe hm\at\kts.org www.kts.org >>a duck is like a bicycle because they both have two wheels except the duck (tl) > > > I usual do not bring it down, but I usual stop services before doing it. > Stopping services, installworld, mergemaster and reboot is usual only > 5 minutes. > What could happen if I don't stop the services: the file won't be updated because it's open or what ? If it's correct, INSTALL -C could warn the failed files ? Tnx. -- mailto:guilherme@nortenet.pt || http://guilherme.host-valley.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 8:13:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDB737B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06F343FCB for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:13:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@monkey-online.net) Received: from eric.monkey-online.net (195-241-113-9-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl [195.241.113.9]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA9943FBDB for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:13:42 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030323164230.047f5650@mail.monkey-online.net> X-Sender: eric@mail.monkey-online.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:13:55 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Eric Veraart Subject: Server redundancy over 2 co-locations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, We currently have a few webservers at location 1, and are planning to place backup servers at location 2. Location 1 and 2 are seperated about 200km from each other. I want location 1 as the default location, and only put location 2 active when location 1 is down. This because location 2 is read-only, so the databases and documents on the two locations stay consistent. I've been looking at a few ways to achieve this; -The world famous F5 Networks 3-DNS controller; You pay for a lot of fancy things that I don't need, because it can ballance the connection over multiple locations, which I don't need. -Some sort of round-robin system, that runs on both locations (primary at location 1 and secondary at location 2) and checks if location 1 is still up, and otherwise points to location 2. I don't know if I'll get problems with TTL times, DNS caches etc with the round-robin system, or with the 3-DNS controller. What are your thoughts and experiences on this subject? Greetings, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 9:20:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E57537B405 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw1-out.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9AB43FB1 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virus-gate.meiway.com [212.73.210.91]) by mgw1-out.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 4C600EF69E for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:04:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.meiway.com [127.0.0.1]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 17BC65D009 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:24:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B240D5D008 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:24:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from tx0-go2france-c.Go2France.com [24.242.169.51] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A18463B01F6; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:40:20 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030323110847.03d78188@mail.go2france.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.go2france.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:20:29 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Server redundancy over 2 co-locations In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030323164230.047f5650@mail.monkey-online.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >-The world famous F5 Networks 3-DNS controller; You pay for a lot of fancy >things that I don't need yep >because it can ballance the connection over multiple locations, which I >don't need. nope >-Some sort of round-robin system, that runs on both locations (primary at >location 1 and secondary at location 2) and checks if location 1 is still >up, and otherwise points to location 2. This is pretty easy to do with a dynamic, sandboxed sub-zone for a www.domain.com zone. I helped an on-line travel site set up his Radware Linkproof box and got to learn all about this approach with the Radware people. I have a (commercial) scheme like this for load-balancing and failing over of MX gateways as part of IMGate. >I don't know if I'll get problems with TTL times All DNS load-balancing and/or failover tactics require tiny TTL on the A records. >, DNS caches Your unwanted effects of caching are minimized with the short TTL > etc with the round-robin system, or with the 3-DNS controller. > >What are your thoughts and experiences on this subject? round-robin won't give you primary/secondary failover. It will give you dumb load distribution, so when one ip is down, it will still see traffic (that will time out, not a desirable "user experience") since DNS will still be passing out the RR-set of A records for the www domain name. To do exactly what you want, there used to be a project called "fez" (nothing to do with Arabs, you Super Patriots) on sourceforge but has been gone quite a while. You can find Linkproof boxes on eBay for the typical fraction of $new. Len _____________________________________________________________________ MenAndMice.com/DNS-training: Austin; Chicago; San Jose; Toronto IMGate.MEIway.com: anti-spam gateway, effective on 1000's of sites, free To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 10:44:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1527D37B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEFB43F75 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:44:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@monkey-online.net) Received: from eric.monkey-online.net (195-241-113-9-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl [195.241.113.9]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4ACB37325; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:44:28 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030323193018.04836338@mail.monkey-online.net> X-Sender: eric@mail.monkey-online.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:44:42 +0100 To: Len Conrad , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Eric Veraart Subject: Re: Server redundancy over 2 co-locations In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030323110847.03d78188@mail.go2france.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030323164230.047f5650@mail.monkey-online.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for your input. >round-robin won't give you primary/secondary failover. It will give you >dumb load distribution, so when one ip is down, it will still see traffic >(that will time out, not a desirable "user experience") since DNS will >still be passing out the RR-set of A records for the www domain name. But what if a script checks things like HTTP, FTP etc and if a service fails it takes the server out of the RR-set? The only problem I see is when only a part of the internet fails, so the primary DNS points to location 1 and the secondary DNS points to location 2. I want all users to go to the servers at the same locations. It seems to me Linkproof is not what I'm looking for. The Web Server Director looks more like it, but that comes close to 3DNS of F5 Networks. Money is not the major problem, but I don't want to invest money in stuff I don't need. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 11:17:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C5637B404 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011BD43F85 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com ([129.44.43.88]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030323191715.OBCW6884.pop018.verizon.net@mac.com> for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:17:15 -0600 Message-ID: <3E7E0837.1080408@mac.com> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:17:11 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Maximum recommended user limits on mail server References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [129.44.43.88] at Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:17:15 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Samplonius wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Bill Vermillion wrote: [ ... ] >> He's thinking he needs to go with 'big iron' such as SUN. > Well, if he wants to waste money.... 10 to 15K accounts is not a lot > accounts. Plus, "Sun big iron" comes with such slow processors. For > instance, the 2.4Ghz Xeon is going to be faster than any single Sun > processor. You'll need a quad Ultrasparc to keep up with a basic dual > Xeon (like Dell Poweredge 2650). # of disk spindles and the I/O system matter a lot more than CPU power does for the user aspects of what mail servers do; ie, the box(es) with filestorage holding user's mailboxes, the place which runs your IMAP/POP services, etc. You'd want CPU power more for virus scanning and spam-testing; a Dell PE would do just fine as the SMTP relay box, which processes all mail in and out of the mbox-storage/MUA system(s). A Sun E450 with twenty disks across five SCSI channels (66MHz/64bit PCI) can make the difference between fifty hours of downtime per year with Intel gear versus 50 minutes with the Sun. If ~50 hours of downtime per year costs more than $30K, getting the Sun is probably worth it. That's not to say that Sun is the only solution, but you do want something which can handle up to 1.6+ Gbs of disk bandwidth plus however much for network traffic as well. If this mail server is local to a company's office, and they're doing multimedia, you might need more than 100Mbs ethernet. An E450, or maybe a 280R + a D1000 storage setup would fit the bill nicely. Or perhaps a Apple Xserve plus their new fibre RAID storage box? :-) I'd wait for SATA drives, MB's, and such to evolve for another generation and see how they're doing then, before I'd switch from SCA-2 [80-pin hot-pluggable SCSI-3 format] as a preferred format. And you should be looking to do RAID-1,0 (or -10, or -0+1), not RAID-5. And you should be looking for disks that have at least a 3-year warrantee. -- -Chuck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 12: 0:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9AE37B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD73E43F85 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:00:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 35637 invoked by uid 85); 23 Mar 2003 20:00:35 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-1.02 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. . Clean. Processed in 0.661046 secs); 23 Mar 2003 20:00:35 -0000 Received: from pool-141-152-68-119.roa.east.verizon.net (HELO abyss) (141.152.68.119) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2003 20:00:34 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: Subject: RE: Maximum recommended user limits on mail server Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:00:52 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c2f176$e8ca9260$aa8ffea9@abyss> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3E7E0837.1080408@mac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well said Chuck, but I don't know if I agree with the 50 hour vs. 50 minute argument. Anyone who has 2 days of downtime per year needs to find a new line of work. I won't argue, however, that downtime on a properly configured Sun would be a fraction of a properly configured i386 box (I'm not too familiar with sun, but isn't there a model with hot-swap everything, including processor modules?). My current storage solution (FreeBSD 4-STABLE on a Celeron 600, 512MB, RAID5 [amr 466, 16MB, LVD, 40Mbit/s, SCA]) has seen less than 5 hours of downtime in the last 30 months. My SMTP/AV host has seen less than 2 hours of downtime in the last 18 months. Nearly all of that downtime was planned, and occurred in the wee hours of the morning. Personally, I can't see needing a Sun for quite some time. I know that my current solution would handle at least 20k accounts without much issue at all. The only concern I currently have, is that the hardware is coming up on 3 years old and should probably be replaced sooner than later. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks http://www.psknet.com 540.994.4254 ~ 866.477.5638 Pulaski Chamber 2002 Small Business Of The Year > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Chuck Swiger > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 2:17 PM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Maximum recommended user limits on mail server > > > Tom Samplonius wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Bill Vermillion wrote: > [ ... ] > >> He's thinking he needs to go with 'big iron' such as SUN. > > Well, if he wants to waste money.... 10 to 15K accounts is > not a lot > > accounts. Plus, "Sun big iron" comes with such slow > processors. For > > instance, the 2.4Ghz Xeon is going to be faster than any single Sun > > processor. You'll need a quad Ultrasparc to keep up with a > basic dual > > Xeon (like Dell Poweredge 2650). > > # of disk spindles and the I/O system matter a lot more than > CPU power > does for the user aspects of what mail servers do; ie, the > box(es) with > filestorage holding user's mailboxes, the place which runs > your IMAP/POP > services, etc. You'd want CPU power more for virus scanning and > spam-testing; a Dell PE would do just fine as the SMTP relay > box, which > processes all mail in and out of the mbox-storage/MUA system(s). > > A Sun E450 with twenty disks across five SCSI channels > (66MHz/64bit PCI) > can make the difference between fifty hours of downtime per year with > Intel gear versus 50 minutes with the Sun. If ~50 hours of > downtime per > year costs more than $30K, getting the Sun is probably worth it. > > That's not to say that Sun is the only solution, but you do want > something which can handle up to 1.6+ Gbs of disk bandwidth > plus however > much for network traffic as well. If this mail server is local to a > company's office, and they're doing multimedia, you might > need more than > 100Mbs ethernet. An E450, or maybe a 280R + a D1000 storage > setup would > fit the bill nicely. Or perhaps a Apple Xserve plus their new fibre > RAID storage box? :-) > > I'd wait for SATA drives, MB's, and such to evolve for another > generation and see how they're doing then, before I'd switch > from SCA-2 > [80-pin hot-pluggable SCSI-3 format] as a preferred format. And you > should be looking to do RAID-1,0 (or -10, or -0+1), not > RAID-5. And you > should be looking for disks that have at least a 3-year warrantee. > > -- > -Chuck > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 14:14:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA87C37B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063E443F85 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:14:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18xDj8-00013W-08; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:14:02 +0100 Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (520065502893-0001@[217.83.27.58]) by fmrl05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18xDj7-0Ya2KWC; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:14:01 +0100 Received: from Magelan.Leidinger.net (Magelan [192.168.1.1]) by Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2NMDwOq055022; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:13:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from Magelan.Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id h2NMDwE9088288; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:13:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:13:58 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger To: "Guilherme J. R. Oliveira" Cc: FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Production Machine, Custom Kernel, Updating to P9 Message-Id: <20030323231358.5e29af1e.Alexander@Leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: <3E7DD572.1020700@nortenet.pt> References: <20030322125653.V11496@seven.alameda.net> <20030323080106.3D7195499@bert.int.kts.org> <20030323004521.W11496@seven.alameda.net> <3E7DD572.1020700@nortenet.pt> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 520065502893-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:40:34 +0000 "Guilherme J. R. Oliveira" wrote: > > I usual do not bring it down, but I usual stop services before doing it. > > Stopping services, installworld, mergemaster and reboot is usual only > > 5 minutes. > > > > What could happen if I don't stop the services: the file won't be > updated because it's open or what ? No, it will get updated. We don't have advisory locks, we have cooperative locks. The only thing which can happen is: the service segfaults, dies, hangs, aborts, stops, produces garbage or continues to operate as usual. Bye, Alexander. -- I believe the technical term is "Oops!" http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 23 14:30:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AA337B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nortenet.pt (mar.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9BB43FA3 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:30:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from guilherme@nortenet.pt) Received: from nortenet.pt (v1-pppS41.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.41]) by mail.nortenet.pt (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h2NLSja04008 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:28:45 +0100 Message-ID: <3E7E3586.9000506@nortenet.pt> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:30:30 +0000 From: "Guilherme J. R. Oliveira" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030308 X-Accept-Language: pt, pt-br, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Production Machine, Custom Kernel, Updating to P9 References: <20030322125653.V11496@seven.alameda.net> <20030323080106.3D7195499@bert.int.kts.org> <20030323004521.W11496@seven.alameda.net> <3E7DD572.1020700@nortenet.pt> <20030323231358.5e29af1e.Alexander@Leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: <20030323231358.5e29af1e.Alexander@Leidinger.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alexander Leidinger wrote: > On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:40:34 +0000 > "Guilherme J. R. Oliveira" wrote: > > >>>I usual do not bring it down, but I usual stop services before doing it. >>>Stopping services, installworld, mergemaster and reboot is usual only >>>5 minutes. >>> >> >>What could happen if I don't stop the services: the file won't be >>updated because it's open or what ? > > > No, it will get updated. We don't have advisory locks, we have > cooperative locks. The only thing which can happen is: the service > segfaults, dies, hangs, aborts, stops, produces garbage or continues to > operate as usual. Umm, I'm asking this because I'll need do this remotely. So it's "secure" installworld remotely and then remotely reboot the machine ? This way we load the fresh binaries daemons in memory. I was confused thinking the binaries (in disc) weren't updated if we had the daemons running. This way it works too... -- mailto:guilherme@nortenet.pt || http://guilherme.host-valley.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 3: 6:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DA137B401 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5245A43F85 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:06:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18xPmr-0001HL-05; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:06:41 +0100 Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (520065502893-0001@[217.83.25.140]) by fmrl02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18xPmc-1ig9MuC; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:06:26 +0100 Received: from Magelan.Leidinger.net (Magelan [192.168.1.1]) by Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2OB6POq057246; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:06:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from Magelan.Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id h2OB6Rfb000975; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:06:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:06:27 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger To: "Guilherme J. R. Oliveira" Cc: FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Production Machine, Custom Kernel, Updating to P9 Message-Id: <20030324120627.44c76d87.Alexander@Leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: <3E7E3586.9000506@nortenet.pt> References: <20030322125653.V11496@seven.alameda.net> <20030323080106.3D7195499@bert.int.kts.org> <20030323004521.W11496@seven.alameda.net> <3E7DD572.1020700@nortenet.pt> <20030323231358.5e29af1e.Alexander@Leidinger.net> <3E7E3586.9000506@nortenet.pt> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 520065502893-0001@t-dialin.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-17.8 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, X_NJABL_DIALUP autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:30:30 +0000 "Guilherme J. R. Oliveira" wrote: > >>What could happen if I don't stop the services: the file won't be > >>updated because it's open or what ? > > > > > > No, it will get updated. We don't have advisory locks, we have > > cooperative locks. The only thing which can happen is: the service > > segfaults, dies, hangs, aborts, stops, produces garbage or continues to > > operate as usual. > > Umm, I'm asking this because I'll need do this remotely. I always update remotely... but with a helping hand a couple of seconds away from the machines, in case I forgot to do something important (so I can tell them to load the old kernel or to guide them to bring the system into a state where I can login remotely (e.g. once after deinstalling sshd from the ports collection after updating the system to a version on the secfix branch I got interrupted for some minutes and forgot to enable the system sshd in rc.conf)). > So it's "secure" installworld remotely and then remotely reboot the > machine ? You have to read UPDATING carefully. And you have to make sure the kernel config contains everything you need to at least boot into some kind of multi user mode where sshd runs to be able to login and maybe fix some mistakes (e.g. there's an entry in UPDATING which tells you to include miibus in some cases (for fxp), if you fail to do so, there's no NIC accessible...). > This way we load the fresh binaries daemons in memory. > > I was confused thinking the binaries (in disc) weren't updated if we had > the daemons running. It depends. I know some specific programs where overwritting them (with "cp") doesn't work when they are running. But so far I don't know of such a file in the set of binaries in the base system (and installworld uses "install" instead of "cp"). The only problem with an installworld I had was in low diskspace situations. Bye, Alexander. -- Press every key to continue. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 9:49:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6BF37B401 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D9443FB1 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:49:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@monkey-online.net) Received: from eric.monkey-online.net (195-241-113-9-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl [195.241.113.9]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BFE36F65; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:49:17 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030324184224.04831e98@mail.monkey-online.net> X-Sender: eric@mail.monkey-online.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:49:42 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Eric Veraart Subject: Re: Server redundancy over 2 co-locations Cc: LConrad@Go2France.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030323164230.047f5650@mail.monkey-online.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.8 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I found an example of what I want, check http://cmi.autofailover.com/Services/Index.html. Does anyone have any programs/scripts to realize this under FreeBSD? At 05:13 PM 23/3/2003 +0100, Eric Veraart wrote: >Hello, > >We currently have a few webservers at location 1, and are planning to >place backup servers at location 2. Location 1 and 2 are seperated about >200km from each other. I want location 1 as the default location, and only >put location 2 active when location 1 is down. This because location 2 is >read-only, so the databases and documents on the two locations stay >consistent. I've been looking at a few ways to achieve this; >-The world famous F5 Networks 3-DNS controller; You pay for a lot of fancy >things that I don't need, because it can ballance the connection over >multiple locations, which I don't need. >-Some sort of round-robin system, that runs on both locations (primary at >location 1 and secondary at location 2) and checks if location 1 is still >up, and otherwise points to location 2. > >I don't know if I'll get problems with TTL times, DNS caches etc with the >round-robin system, or with the 3-DNS controller. > >What are your thoughts and experiences on this subject? > >Greetings, >Eric > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 24 21:46:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9809F37B401 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB83E43F85 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com ([129.44.43.88]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030325054636.LUHJ24156.pop015.verizon.net@mac.com> for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:46:36 -0600 Message-ID: <3E7FED30.3070709@mac.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:46:24 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Maximum recommended user limits on mail server References: <003401c2f176$e8ca9260$aa8ffea9@abyss> In-Reply-To: <003401c2f176$e8ca9260$aa8ffea9@abyss> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.73.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [129.44.43.88] at Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:46:35 -0600 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-31.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Troy Settle wrote: > Well said Chuck, but I don't know if I agree with the 50 hour vs. 50 > minute argument. Anyone who has 2 days of downtime per year needs to > find a new line of work. After the past year or so, I'd be tempted to agree with you. :-/ > I won't argue, however, that downtime on a properly configured Sun > would be a fraction of a properly configured i386 box (I'm not too > familiar with sun, but isn't there a model with hot-swap everything, > including processor modules?). Most of Sun's lineup above the entry-class servers support hot-swap everything, yes: things like an E4500. The 3-digit Sun boxes like the E250, 280, 450, 480, etc are hot-swap disk only, not CPU or memory. > My current storage solution (FreeBSD 4-STABLE on a Celeron 600, 512MB, > RAID5 [amr 466, 16MB, LVD, 40Mbit/s, SCA]) has seen less than 5 hours of > downtime in the last 30 months. My SMTP/AV host has seen less than 2 > hours of downtime in the last 18 months. Nearly all of that downtime > was planned, and occurred in the wee hours of the morning. Sounds good to me. It's not that I believe that decent Intel hardware is particularly unreliable, but faults tend to be more serious (if only due to less redundancy and ECC thru various datapaths than in Sun's hardware). OpenFirmware's a plus, too...not that I need to advocate OF around people using a platform with FICL. > Personally, I can't see needing a Sun for quite some time. I know that > my current solution would handle at least 20k accounts without much > issue at all. The only concern I currently have, is that the hardware > is coming up on 3 years old and should probably be replaced sooner than > later. That may be the biggest difference right there, although the presence of SCSI adds significant longevity to the lifespan of an x86 server. Still, getting replacement parts (ie, hard drives with identical cylinder layouts to your original drives) after 3 or 5 years becomes a concern that a Sun box wouldn't have. That's one reason to pay the 3:1 or so markup for Sun-branded versus OEM drives. Another is that you're getting drives that test well-- for example, below-average spindle motor current required to maintain speed (indicating a slightly better bearing). Same effect as distributing resistors by quality into groups +/- 5%, +/- 10%, and +/- 20% tolerance. -Chuck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 5: 0:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC9B37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 05:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net (web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net [206.47.131.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 24A6343F93 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 05:00:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@hawk-systems.com) Received: (qmail 66025 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 13:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1) (24.157.103.51) by web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 13:00:21 -0000 From: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" To: Subject: RE: Maximum recommended user limits on mail server Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:00:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3E7FED30.3070709@mac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chuck Swiger >> I won't argue, however, that downtime on a properly configured Sun >> would be a fraction of a properly configured i386 box (I'm not too >> familiar with sun, but isn't there a model with hot-swap everything, >> including processor modules?). > >Most of Sun's lineup above the entry-class servers support hot-swap >everything, yes: things like an E4500. The 3-digit Sun boxes like the >E250, 280, 450, 480, etc are hot-swap disk only, not CPU or memory. It is sometimes easier to justify two intel based servers for redundancy at half or 2/3 the cost of 1 sun box... then have one of the intel servers down all day while you piddle with it... doesn't affect downtime for the sites/services hosted by the pair(or cluster) of servers. IMO this is even more relevant when you are talking sites/applications that require clusters. Sun gets pricey fast, and unless your accounting department still writes blank cheques... Would rather pay for decent cisco routing/switching equipment, and have a whack of cheaper redundant intel based servers. >> My current storage solution (FreeBSD 4-STABLE on a Celeron 600, 512MB, >> RAID5 [amr 466, 16MB, LVD, 40Mbit/s, SCA]) has seen less than 5 hours of >> downtime in the last 30 months. My SMTP/AV host has seen less than 2 >> hours of downtime in the last 18 months. Nearly all of that downtime >> was planned, and occurred in the wee hours of the morning. > >Sounds good to me. It's not that I believe that decent Intel hardware >is particularly unreliable, but faults tend to be more serious (if only >due to less redundancy and ECC thru various datapaths than in Sun's >hardware). OpenFirmware's a plus, too...not that I need to advocate OF >around people using a platform with FICL. There are a lot of arguments FOR sun architecture. Same arguments I use for Cisco vs other routing/switching/access products. In the end it comes down to preference. Like arguing that Macs are better than PCs, an argument that will not be settled since both camp is convinced they are correct and can provide the proof to back up their claims. >> Personally, I can't see needing a Sun for quite some time. I know that >> my current solution would handle at least 20k accounts without much >> issue at all. The only concern I currently have, is that the hardware >> is coming up on 3 years old and should probably be replaced sooner than >> later. > >That may be the biggest difference right there, although the presence of >SCSI adds significant longevity to the lifespan of an x86 server. >Still, getting replacement parts (ie, hard drives with identical >cylinder layouts to your original drives) after 3 or 5 years becomes a >concern that a Sun box wouldn't have. Again, you can afford to replace the Intel box 2, maybe 3 times if you want to, then re-deploy the other boxes to smaller sites/services. You will still come under budget compared to a sun based solution, without much if any change in performance from the end user's perspective. >That's one reason to pay the 3:1 or so markup for Sun-branded versus OEM >drives. Another is that you're getting drives that test well-- for >example, below-average spindle motor current required to maintain speed >(indicating a slightly better bearing). Same effect as distributing >resistors by quality into groups +/- 5%, +/- 10%, and +/- 20% tolerance. Again, easier to get 10 spare drives at $100ea approved vs 3 spare drives at $300 ea. Looks like more bang for the buch, and generally you get the same end results over time... again, IMO. Am beginning to wonder if this thread has strayed a bit though. Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 6: 0:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F027037B404 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from likya.bimel.com.tr (likya.bimel.com.tr [212.175.96.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AEF43F3F for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:00:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ustuntas@bimel.com.tr) Received: (from root@localhost) by likya.bimel.com.tr (8.12.8/8.12.7) id h2PDsOLj074550 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:54:24 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ustuntas@bimel.com.tr) Received: from bimel.com.tr (zeugma.bimel.com.tr [212.175.96.11]) by likya.bimel.com.tr (8.12.8/8.12.7av) with ESMTP id h2PDsM8B074540 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:54:23 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ustuntas@bimel.com.tr) Message-ID: <3E806356.4080900@bimel.com.tr> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:10:30 +0200 From: Murat USTUNTAS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021202 X-Accept-Language: tr, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: sendmail content filter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I read more source on sendmail/content filtering to blok spams. But, i didnt find effective one. Is there anybody know or use the effective and more flexible content filtering for sendmail? I dont replace sendmail with others (qmail) so in some time i will run on sendmail. Regards, Murat Ustuntas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 6:12:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5BF37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:12:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.bt.net (relay2.bt.net [194.72.6.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA1F43F75 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:12:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simong@desktop-guardian.com) Received: from host213-122-73-17.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.73.17] helo=dtg19) by relay2.bt.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18xp9n-0000MG-00; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:12:03 +0000 Received: from dtg17 ([192.100.100.17]) by dtg19 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:09:44 +0000 Message-ID: <007501c2f2d8$2d5fb560$116464c0@desktopguardian.com> From: "Simon Gray" To: "Murat USTUNTAS" , References: <3E806356.4080900@bimel.com.tr> Subject: Re: sendmail content filter Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:09:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.9 required=5.0 tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We use spamassassin >> http://spamassassin.org/ I've heard you can also filter with promail however i've not personally done this. Hope this helps, Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat USTUNTAS" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: sendmail content filter > Hello all, > > I read more source on sendmail/content filtering to blok spams. But, > i didnt find effective one. > Is there anybody know or use the effective and more flexible content > filtering for sendmail? I dont replace sendmail with others (qmail) > so in some time i will run on sendmail. > > Regards, > > Murat Ustuntas > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 6:18:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB9537B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.bt.net (relay2.bt.net [194.72.6.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A786043FCB for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:18:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simong@desktop-guardian.com) Received: from host213-122-73-17.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.73.17] helo=dtg19) by relay2.bt.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18xpFh-0003SU-00; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:18:09 +0000 Received: from dtg17 ([192.100.100.17]) by dtg19 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:15:50 +0000 Message-ID: <008001c2f2d9$07d638e0$116464c0@desktopguardian.com> From: "Simon Gray" To: "Murat USTUNTAS" , References: <3E806356.4080900@bimel.com.tr> Subject: Re: sendmail content filter Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:15:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org correction 'procmail' not 'promail' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murat USTUNTAS" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: sendmail content filter > Hello all, > > I read more source on sendmail/content filtering to blok spams. But, > i didnt find effective one. > Is there anybody know or use the effective and more flexible content > filtering for sendmail? I dont replace sendmail with others (qmail) > so in some time i will run on sendmail. > > Regards, > > Murat Ustuntas > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 6:49:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4208937B40F for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD4943F75 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:49:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2PEn76u029157 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:49:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2PEn6qt029156 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:49:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:49:06 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail content filter Message-ID: <20030325144906.GA28948@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <3E806356.4080900@bimel.com.tr> <007501c2f2d8$2d5fb560$116464c0@desktopguardian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <007501c2f2d8$2d5fb560$116464c0@desktopguardian.com> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-16.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Knocking over a stack of dishes in the heat sink Simon Gray wondered out loud about: > We use spamassassin >> http://spamassassin.org/ > > I've heard you can also filter with promail however i've not personally done > this. You'll note that smamassassin typically uses your .procmailrc file when run for individuals and not system wide. Putting in spamassassin with my sendmail was the best move I've made. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 9:15: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96AD37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from swisseasy.net (dns1.swisseasy.net [195.134.144.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE1E43F85 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:15:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arie@gerszt.ch) Received: (qmail 89569 invoked by uid 85); 25 Mar 2003 16:30:17 -0000 Received: from arie@gerszt.ch by caramba.gerszt.ch by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.66 NSV. spamassassin: 2.44. Clear:. Processed in 1.359797 secs); 25 Mar 2003 16:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DELLARIE) (212.41.71.113) by mail.swisseasy.net with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 16:30:15 -0000 From: "Arie J. Gerszt" To: Subject: file system help needed Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:14:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Everybody I have a huge problem as you see ... Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 99183 96309 -5060 106% / /dev/ad0s1e 5458605 2866595 2155322 57% /usr /dev/ad0s1g 17876344 1085421 15360816 7% /usr/www /dev/ad0s1f 4465853 212592 3895993 5% /var procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc This server is a production server and I can't add any dns zonefiles or passwords, because they sit in /etc which is full, evidently. What can I do to solve that rather quickly? The disk ad0 has free space: caramba# fdisk /dev/ad0 ******* Working on device /dev/ad0 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=3649 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=3649 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 63, size 58621122 (28623 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 The data for partition 2 is: The data for partition 3 is: The data for partition 4 is: caramba# --> but i am not sure what to do, because I can't have any long downtime, understandibily. Thanks for help, Arie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 9:26:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D0437B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:26:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01.britesite.net (mx01.bsinet.net [63.175.65.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCF643FAF for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:26:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lanshark@bsinet.net) Received: (qmail 23388 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 17:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO station9) ([63.175.65.23]) (envelope-sender ) by mx01.bsinet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Mar 2003 17:26:34 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01c2f2f4$8b515360$1701a8c0@britesite.net> From: "Edward Shabotinsky" To: "Arie J. Gerszt" , References: Subject: Re: file system help needed Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:32:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.8 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Try move some files off of /, this my help and then just link them. Regards. _____________________________________ Edward Shabotinsky eshabot@bsinet.net Systems Engineer BSIG Inc. www.bsinet.net 773-772-7300 _____________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arie J. Gerszt" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: file system help needed > Hi Everybody > > I have a huge problem as you see ... > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s1a 99183 96309 -5060 106% / > /dev/ad0s1e 5458605 2866595 2155322 57% /usr > /dev/ad0s1g 17876344 1085421 15360816 7% /usr/www > /dev/ad0s1f 4465853 212592 3895993 5% /var > procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > > This server is a production server and I can't add any dns zonefiles or > passwords, > because they sit in /etc which is full, evidently. > > What can I do to solve that rather quickly? The disk ad0 has free space: > > caramba# fdisk /dev/ad0 > ******* Working on device /dev/ad0 ******* > parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: > cylinders=3649 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 > parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: > cylinders=3649 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > Media sector size is 512 > Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 > Information from DOS bootblock is: > The data for partition 1 is: > sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) > start 63, size 58621122 (28623 Meg), flag 80 (active) > beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; > end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 > The data for partition 2 is: > > The data for partition 3 is: > > The data for partition 4 is: > > caramba# > > > --> but i am not sure what to do, because I can't have any long downtime, > understandibily. > Thanks for help, > > Arie > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 9:29:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0FE37B413 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemligt.net (loki.ulovligt.net [129.142.164.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A51343F93 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:29:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skl@securehosting.dk) Received: from bigchief ([195.249.47.43]) by hemligt.net ([129.142.164.58]) with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.5.2.R) for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:29:13 +0100 Message-ID: <00d701c2f2f4$3cebe5f0$2b32a8c0@hemligt.net> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Klintrup?= To: References: <87CAE486F1968A4B823A6CEEB23B8D8D73820C@hermes2.intranet.eurotrust.dk> Subject: Re: file system help needed Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:30:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authenticated-Sender: securehosting@hemligt.net X-Lookup-Warning: SMTP connection lookup on 195.249.47.43 does not match 195.249.47.43 X-MDRemoteIP: 195.249.47.43 X-Return-Path: skl@securehosting.dk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Reply-To: skl@securehosting.dk X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-22.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Arie J. Gerszt wrote: > Hi Everybody > > I have a huge problem as you see ... > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s1a 99183 96309 -5060 106% / > /dev/ad0s1e 5458605 2866595 2155322 57% /usr > /dev/ad0s1g 17876344 1085421 15360816 7% /usr/www > /dev/ad0s1f 4465853 212592 3895993 5% /var > procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > > This server is a production server and I can't add any dns zonefiles > or passwords, > because they sit in /etc which is full, evidently. > > What can I do to solve that rather quickly? The disk ad0 has free > space: > yep - the problem is that you have a lot of zonefiles in /etc/namedb .. here is several solutions to this problem, I've listed a few here : 1) move the files from /etc/namedb to /usr/local/namedb or something like that and make a symbolic link 2) make a new slice for /etc/namedb with enough room for your files - and copy the old files to this slice 3) change the configuration for named so it points to another configfile and change the config to point at a new location with enough space 4) Install a new version of bind ( http://www.isc.org ) to another location and configure it correctly. Theres ofcourse more solutions, but I'm headed home now after a long day yelling at a windows server that crashed so if you want more, make them up yourself ;) Good luck getting the server back on it's feet. Greetings, Søren Klintrup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 10:10: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A9437B404 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.pressenter.com (hermes.pressenter.com [209.224.20.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298C443FA3 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@hiltonbsd.com) Received: from [209.224.20.112] (helo=daggar.sbgnet.net) by hermes.pressenter.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18xsrs-0003zD-00; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:09:49 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:09:58 -0600 From: Stephen Hilton To: "Arie J. Gerszt" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file system help needed Message-Id: <20030325120958.274be1a3.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-26.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:14:59 +0100 "Arie J. Gerszt" wrote: > Hi Everybody > > I have a huge problem as you see ... > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s1a 99183 96309 -5060 106% / > /dev/ad0s1e 5458605 2866595 2155322 57% /usr > /dev/ad0s1g 17876344 1085421 15360816 7% /usr/www > /dev/ad0s1f 4465853 212592 3895993 5% /var > procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > > This server is a production server and I can't add any dns zonefiles or > passwords, > because they sit in /etc which is full, evidently. > > What can I do to solve that rather quickly? The disk ad0 has free space: Arie, Check your /tmp directory, there may be a lot of cruft in there that you can delete. Regards, Stephen Hilton nospam@hiltonbsd.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 10:30: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DB537B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0245843FB1 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:29:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2PITh6u032004 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:29:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2PITgRZ032003 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:29:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:29:41 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: file system help needed Message-ID: <20030325182941.GA31323@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <87CAE486F1968A4B823A6CEEB23B8D8D73820C@hermes2.intranet.eurotrust.dk> <00d701c2f2f4$3cebe5f0$2b32a8c0@hemligt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00d701c2f2f4$3cebe5f0$2b32a8c0@hemligt.net> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-21.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 18:30 , S?ren Klintrup moved his mouse, rebooted for the change to take effect, and then said: > Arie J. Gerszt wrote: > > Hi Everybody > > > > I have a huge problem as you see ... > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/ad0s1a 99183 96309 -5060 106% / > > /dev/ad0s1e 5458605 2866595 2155322 57% /usr > > /dev/ad0s1g 17876344 1085421 15360816 7% /usr/www > > /dev/ad0s1f 4465853 212592 3895993 5% /var > > procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > > This server is a production server and I can't add any dns > > zonefiles or passwords, because they sit in /etc which is > > full, evidently. > > What can I do to solve that rather quickly? The disk ad0 has free > > space: > yep - the problem is that you have a lot of zonefiles in > /etc/namedb .. How have you determined that? /etc is part of / which is full but just because he can't edit this dns files does not mean they are the culprit. Based on dns useage I've seen on my DNS he'd have to have 10K+ domains to make a significant impact - unless he's dumped a lot of files. I suspect it's something else. If he's running a default install perhaps something like his mail program has left a huge temporary mailbox in /tmp. I always make my TMPDIR to be /usr/tmp to avoid such thints. > here is several solutions to this problem, I've listed a few here : > 1) move the files from /etc/namedb to /usr/local/namedb or > something like that and make a symbolic link And given the df output he has most of the space in a slice called /usr/www - though /usr certainly has more than enough, as there is more free space in /usr than totally used in / > 2) make a new slice for /etc/namedb with enough room for your > files - and copy the old files to this slice That's pretty drastics unless you are running 10's of thousands of entries in you DNS - at least that's how I view it. > 3) change the configuration for named so it points to another > configfile and change the config to point at a new location > with enough space > 4) Install a new version of bind ( http://www.isc.org ) to > another location and configure it correctly. That's quite a bit of overkill. He just needs to pass the the options to named for the config file to use, copy the current named.conf to that location, and specify the working directory there. Leave the reinstall to systems that require it - eg MS thingys. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 11: 7:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7210637B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mighty.grot.org (66-117-150-96.web.lmi.net [66.117.150.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F35543F3F for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:07:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aditya@grot.org) Received: by mighty.grot.org (Postfix, from userid 515) id 2189F5D4D; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:07:11 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Maximum recommended user limits on mail server References: <3E7FED30.3070709@mac.com> X-Archive: encrypt From: Aditya Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:07:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: ("Dave [Hawk-Systems]"'s message of "Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:00:20 -0500") Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) XEmacs/21.4 (Common Lisp, i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-25.9 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:00:20 -0500, "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" said: > Am beginning to wonder if this thread has strayed a bit though. There is a mailing list to deal about scaling systems that this would be very-on-topic for at: scalable@arctic.org to subscribe, send email to scalable-help@arctic.org and the archives are at: http://archive.develooper.com/scalable@arctic.org/ I've had very good luck with using a large number of cheap boxes (most recently with RLX blade servers) running FreeBSD, maildir and heavy-duty NFS with Netapps and low-cost load-balancers (Foundry ServerIrons). I can describe it in detail on scalable@arctic.org if someone wants. Thanks, Adi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 11:26:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4344537B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from swisseasy.net (dns1.swisseasy.net [195.134.144.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8BE43F75 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:26:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arie@gerszt.ch) Received: (qmail 1354 invoked by uid 85); 25 Mar 2003 18:42:07 -0000 Received: from arie@gerszt.ch by caramba.gerszt.ch by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.66 NSV. spamassassin: 2.44. Clear:. Processed in 2.040226 secs); 25 Mar 2003 18:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DELLARIE) (212.41.71.113) by mail.swisseasy.net with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 18:42:05 -0000 From: "Arie J. Gerszt" To: Subject: AW: file system help needed Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:26:48 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <001a01c2f2f4$8b515360$1701a8c0@britesite.net> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi List Thanks for pointers. I deleted /tmp and moved mostly of /sbin /bin to /usr/copy/(s)bin and created symbolic links instead. Probably not a very good solution, but it worked quickly. I also moved /modules/snd* to somewhere else. Any pitfalls? Regards and Thanks Arie -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]Im Auftrag von Edward Shabotinsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. März 2003 18:33 An: Arie J. Gerszt; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Betreff: Re: file system help needed Hi, Try move some files off of /, this my help and then just link them. Regards. _____________________________________ Edward Shabotinsky eshabot@bsinet.net Systems Engineer BSIG Inc. www.bsinet.net 773-772-7300 _____________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arie J. Gerszt" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: file system help needed > Hi Everybody > > I have a huge problem as you see ... > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s1a 99183 96309 -5060 106% / > /dev/ad0s1e 5458605 2866595 2155322 57% /usr > /dev/ad0s1g 17876344 1085421 15360816 7% /usr/www > /dev/ad0s1f 4465853 212592 3895993 5% /var > procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > > This server is a production server and I can't add any dns zonefiles or > passwords, > because they sit in /etc which is full, evidently. > > What can I do to solve that rather quickly? The disk ad0 has free space: > > caramba# fdisk /dev/ad0 > ******* Working on device /dev/ad0 ******* > parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: > cylinders=3649 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 > parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: > cylinders=3649 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > > Media sector size is 512 > Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 > Information from DOS bootblock is: > The data for partition 1 is: > sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) > start 63, size 58621122 (28623 Meg), flag 80 (active) > beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; > end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 > The data for partition 2 is: > > The data for partition 3 is: > > The data for partition 4 is: > > caramba# > > > --> but i am not sure what to do, because I can't have any long downtime, > understandibily. > Thanks for help, > > Arie > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 11:32:11 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5CC37B404 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from users.munk.nu (213-152-51-194.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [213.152.51.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B94343F3F for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: from users.munk.nu (munk@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.munk.nu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PJXSHP084653 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:33:28 GMT (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: (from munk@localhost) by users.munk.nu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PJXSgo084652 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:33:28 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:33:28 +0000 From: Jez Hancock To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file system help needed Message-ID: <20030325193328.GB84513@users.munk.nu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <001a01c2f2f4$8b515360$1701a8c0@britesite.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-32.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 08:26:48PM +0100, Arie J. Gerszt wrote: > Hi List > > Thanks for pointers. I deleted /tmp and moved mostly of /sbin /bin to > /usr/copy/(s)bin and created symbolic links instead. Probably not a > very good solution, but it worked quickly. You should not do this - if you have to reboot into single user mode /usr will not be mounted and you won't be able to do anything since all your important binaries are in /usr/copy/sbin etc. Always leave /bin and /sbin alone. Regards, Jez To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 11:47:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3789E37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.pressenter.com (hermes.pressenter.com [209.224.20.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5393C43FB1 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@hiltonbsd.com) Received: from [209.224.20.112] (helo=daggar.sbgnet.net) by hermes.pressenter.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18xuOM-0006OY-00; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:47:27 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:47:36 -0600 From: Stephen Hilton To: "Arie J. Gerszt" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AW: file system help needed Message-Id: <20030325134736.6db0d861.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> In-Reply-To: References: <001a01c2f2f4$8b515360$1701a8c0@britesite.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-26.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:26:48 +0100 "Arie J. Gerszt" wrote: > Hi List > > Thanks for pointers. I deleted /tmp and moved mostly of /sbin /bin to > /usr/copy/(s)bin and created symbolic links instead. Probably not a > very good solution, but it worked quickly. > > I also moved /modules/snd* to somewhere else. > > Any pitfalls? > > Regards and Thanks > Arie Arie, Regarding deleting /tmp, did you just empty /tmp out, or remove the whole directory? You do need a tmp dir, so if you deleted it then create a sym link to /var/tmp if you have a /var/tmp. # ln -s /var/tmp /tmp Regards, Stephen Hilton nospam@hiltonbsd.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 12:16:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D822E37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from swisseasy.net (dns1.swisseasy.net [195.134.144.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF2643F93 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:16:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arie@gerszt.ch) Received: (qmail 5509 invoked by uid 85); 25 Mar 2003 19:32:01 -0000 Received: from arie@gerszt.ch by caramba.gerszt.ch by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.66 NSV. spamassassin: 2.44. Clear:. Processed in 1.689376 secs); 25 Mar 2003 19:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DELLARIE) (212.41.71.113) by mail.swisseasy.net with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 19:31:59 -0000 From: "Arie J. Gerszt" To: Subject: 2nd - file system help needed Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:16:43 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-13.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All Thanks for inputs. I have another partition on a second disk, which is 1G, and unused. What is the standard procedure to move the whole / to this disk, so the system keeps bootable? ad0 is the full disk (actually it is ad0s1a). I would like to move / (which is mounted to ad0s01a) to ad3. What must I do? Any help very appreciated. Arie caramba# disklabel ad0 # /dev/ad0c: type: ESDI disk: ad0s1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 3648 sectors/unit: 58621122 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 204800 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - 12*) b: 1048576 11468800 swap # (Cyl. 713*- 779*) c: 58621122 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 3648*) e: 11264000 204800 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 12*- 713*) f: 9216000 12517376 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 779*- 1352*) g: 36887746 21733376 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 1352*- 3648*) caramba# disklabel ad3 # /dev/ad3c: type: ESDI disk: ad3s1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 16 sectors/cylinder: 1008 cylinders: 31206 sectors/unit: 31456593 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] c: 31456593 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 31206*) e: 4194304 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - 4161*) f: 12582912 4194304 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 4161*- 16644*) g: 12582912 16777216 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 16644*- 29127*) h: 2096465 29360128 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 29127*- 31206*) -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]Im Auftrag von Stephen Hilton Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Marz 2003 20:48 An: Arie J. Gerszt Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Betreff: Re: AW: file system help needed On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:26:48 +0100 "Arie J. Gerszt" wrote: > Hi List > > Thanks for pointers. I deleted /tmp and moved mostly of /sbin /bin to > /usr/copy/(s)bin and created symbolic links instead. Probably not a > very good solution, but it worked quickly. > > I also moved /modules/snd* to somewhere else. > > Any pitfalls? > > Regards and Thanks > Arie Arie, Regarding deleting /tmp, did you just empty /tmp out, or remove the whole directory? You do need a tmp dir, so if you deleted it then create a sym link to /var/tmp if you have a /var/tmp. # ln -s /var/tmp /tmp Regards, Stephen Hilton nospam@hiltonbsd.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 15:32:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BCA37B40B for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:32:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC11440BF for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:27:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2PNQq6u035135 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:26:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2PNQpcc035134 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:26:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:26:50 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: file system help needed Message-ID: <20030325232650.GE31323@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <001a01c2f2f4$8b515360$1701a8c0@britesite.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-23.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know you'll find this hard to believe, but on Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 20:26 , Arie J. Gerszt actually admitted to saying: > Hi List > Thanks for pointers. I deleted /tmp and moved mostly of /sbin /bin to > /usr/copy/(s)bin and created symbolic links instead. Probably not a > very good solution, but it worked quickly. > > Any pitfalls? PLENTY. You do NOT want to move /sbin and /bin out of the primary partition. If you have a problem and boot into single user mode all the files you need for recovery will be on an unreachable partition. You can run with only 100GB in / but be sure to keep /bin, /sbin and /etc on that partition and link other things. Did you ever determine exactly WHAT used up the space. Nothing in those above should use that much - unless you have tons in namedb and that's easy to configure to point elsewhere. I'd suggest moving /bin and /sbin and the base /etc files back onto the / partition before you have a problem and need them. Read man 7 hier so you undestand what needs to be where for single user. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 25 22:18:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74A737B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from swisseasy.net (dns1.swisseasy.net [195.134.144.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387EC43FAF for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:18:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arie@gerszt.ch) Received: (qmail 47957 invoked by uid 85); 26 Mar 2003 05:34:03 -0000 Received: from arie@gerszt.ch by caramba.gerszt.ch by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.66 NSV. spamassassin: 2.44. Clear:. Processed in 2.591997 secs); 26 Mar 2003 05:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DELLARIE) (212.41.74.56) by mail.swisseasy.net with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 05:34:00 -0000 From: "Arie J. Gerszt" To: Subject: update filesystem problems - still unsolved but new evidence Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:18:47 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030325182941.GA31323@wjv.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All Thanks for your reply. As I freed up some space by moving /sbin /bin to another parition, which gave me 3MB, today I see, that the / parition overruns 107% again. I just can't figure out, who that is, why it happens. What I also see is: Mar 26 06:12:43 caramba /kernel: pid 46469 (sweep), uid 85 on /: file system full Mar 26 06:21:16 caramba /kernel: pid 47054 (sweep), uid 85 on /: file system full sweep is the av scanner for qmail (user id 85). Strangely, the av scanner does not sit on /, rather /usr/ An "du -s /" doesn't seem to work either; but a "du /" works. So it shows, that something over night or a regular process is filling /, because I cleared 3 MB yesterday as mentioned above and now again it is full. I am running the du / pipeing it into a file (on another partition of course) and will sort it quickly. Maybe this gives a clue too. Any help in solving that very appreciated. Thanks, arie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 26 00:49:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8239D37B404 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.kiev.sovam.com (relay.kiev.sovam.com [212.109.32.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9144043F85 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:49:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dimitry@al.org.ua) Received: from [212.109.32.116] (helo=dimitry.kiev.sovam.com) by relay.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #5) id 18y6b9-000Np8-00; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:49:27 +0200 From: Dmitry Alyabyev To: "Arie J. Gerszt" , Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:49:26 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: X-NCC-RegID: ua.svitonline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303261049.26763.dimitry@al.org.ua> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-26.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: Re: update filesystem problems - still unsolved but new evidence X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dimitry@al.org.ua List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:49:40 -0000 On Wednesday 26 March 2003 08:18, Arie J. Gerszt wrote: > Hi All > > Thanks for your reply. As I freed up some space by moving /sbin /bin to > another > parition, which gave me 3MB, it's bad way - as bad as have root's shell not in / by the way - you should have /bin and /sbin and other staff in / partition in case on troubles and posibility to run some checks/fixes over others partitions. > today I see, that the / parition overruns 107% > again. > > I just can't figure out, who that is, why it happens. > > What I also see is: > > Mar 26 06:12:43 caramba /kernel: pid 46469 (sweep), uid 85 on /: file > system full > Mar 26 06:21:16 caramba /kernel: pid 47054 (sweep), uid 85 on /: file > system full > > sweep is the av scanner for qmail (user id 85). Strangely, the av scanner > does not > sit on /, rather /usr/ in my opinion the problem is in /tmp (Bill Vermillion wrote about it) files in /tmp can be used by your av scanner and others programs. the solution is to move /tmp/* to /usr/tmp or /var/tmp and make symlink -- Dimitry From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 25 23:12:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777ED37B404 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from alcatraz.wolfpaw.net (alcatraz.wolfpaw.net [216.194.99.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8190E43F3F for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:12:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin-lists@wolfpaw.net) Received: (qmail 3246 invoked by uid 0); 26 Mar 2003 07:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wolf) (216.123.201.128) by 0 with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 07:12:30 -0000 From: "Wolfpaw - Dale Corse" To: "Arie J. Gerszt" , Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:24:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: RE: update filesystem problems - still unsolved but new evidence X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:12:39 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:12:39 -0000 [SNIP] > sweep is the av scanner for qmail (user id 85). Strangely, > the av scanner > does not > sit on /, rather /usr/ > > An "du -s /" doesn't seem to work either; but a "du /" works. > > So it shows, that something over night or a regular process > is filling /, > because > I cleared 3 MB yesterday as mentioned above and now again > it is full. > > I am running the du / pipeing it into a file (on another > partition of > course) and > will sort it quickly. Maybe this gives a clue too. > > Any help in solving that very appreciated. > Have you tried removing logs, and rebooting the daemons they belong to? For example, apache logs can get HUGE, and I seem to recall a simular bug on a box we had, in which you would blow away the log file, and if it was big enough, it would not free the space correctly for some reason until apache was restarted, if I recall syslog had some simular issues. Either killall -KILL (then restart it), or clean up and reboot your box.. Might work.. might not.. just a thought.. I didn't read the whole thread, so its a stab in the dark :) Good luck :) Dale. -------------------------------- Dale Corse System Administrator Wolfpaw Services Inc. http://www.wolfpaw.net (780) 474-4095 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 25 23:44:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D8937B404 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from exhsto1.se.dataphone.com (exhsto1.se.dataphone.com [212.37.6.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB2B43FAF for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:44:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrik.forsberg@dataphone.net) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:44:15 +0100 Message-ID: <8F69143C0B1A9F4D95AFC58CF69877E54E61FD@exhsto1.se.dataphone.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: update filesystem problems - still unsolved but new evidence Thread-Index: AcLzZxpKdlsAqbudQpOEFBID+ebv3wAAzueA From: "Patrik Forsberg" To: "Arie J. Gerszt" , X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1 autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: RE: update filesystem problems - still unsolved but new evidence X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:44:20 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:44:20 -0000 > > I am running the du / pipeing it into a file (on another > > partition of > > course) and > > will sort it quickly. Maybe this gives a clue too. Id try a "du -hsx /" and see what exacly is taking up the space. Move out /etc/named to /var/named or something and reconfigure named for it. Do a "find / -x -iname "*core*" -print" and see if you have and stale core-files somewhere taking up the space - and if so erase them. > > Any help in solving that very appreciated. > >=20 >=20 > Have you tried removing logs, and rebooting the daemons they=20 Um.. he have a seperate /var so I dont think that could be the problem.. >=20 > Might work.. might not.. just a thought.. I didn't read the=20 > whole thread, so its a stab in the dark :) Its a few things to try.. but if it is still growing something is taking up some major space by now and I dont think just enlarging the disk would fix this permanently. Good luck, patrik From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 26 01:46:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBEB37B404 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 01:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemligt.net (loki.ulovligt.net [129.142.164.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6015343F75 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 01:46:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skl@securehosting.dk) Received: from bigchief ([195.249.47.43]) by hemligt.net ([129.142.164.58]) with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.5.2.R) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:46:42 +0100 Message-ID: <00c501c2f37c$cc7b1d70$2b32a8c0@hemligt.net> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Klintrup?= To: References: <87CAE486F1968A4B823A6CEEB23B8D8D738212@hermes2.intranet.eurotrust.dk> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:48:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authenticated-Sender: securehosting@hemligt.net X-Lookup-Warning: SMTP connection lookup on 195.249.47.43 does not match 195.249.47.43 X-MDRemoteIP: 195.249.47.43 X-Return-Path: skl@securehosting.dk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-22.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: Re: file system help needed X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: skl@securehosting.dk List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:46:45 -0000 Bill Vermillion wrote: > On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 18:30 , S?ren Klintrup moved his mouse, > rebooted for the change to take effect, and then said: > >> yep - the problem is that you have a lot of zonefiles in >> /etc/namedb .. > > How have you determined that? /etc is part of / which is full but > just because he can't edit this dns files does not mean they are > the culprit. > > Based on dns useage I've seen on my DNS he'd have to have 10K+ > domains to make a significant impact - unless he's dumped a lot of > files. > > I suspect it's something else. If he's running a default install > perhaps something like his mail program has left a huge temporary > mailbox in /tmp. I always make my TMPDIR to be /usr/tmp to avoid > such thints. You are quite right - since his problem was adding more zones for customers I kinda figured that was the case - a bad assumption from my side, which I see now after a good nights sleep :) >> here is several solutions to this problem, I've listed a few here : > >> 1) move the files from /etc/namedb to /usr/local/namedb or >> something like that and make a symbolic link > > And given the df output he has most of the space in a slice called > /usr/www - though /usr certainly has more than enough, as there is > more free space in /usr than totally used in / imo /usr/www wouldn't be a logical place to set the files if /usr has enough space, but it's all a matter of personal preference and system setup, ie if you have chrooted your apache to /usr/www it'd have access to zonefiles as well. >> 2) make a new slice for /etc/namedb with enough room for your >> files - and copy the old files to this slice > > That's pretty drastics unless you are running 10's of thousands of > entries in you DNS - at least that's how I view it. true, was just listing options that came to my mind >> 3) change the configuration for named so it points to another >> configfile and change the config to point at a new location >> with enough space > >> 4) Install a new version of bind ( http://www.isc.org ) to >> another location and configure it correctly. > > That's quite a bit of overkill. He just needs to pass the > the options to named for the config file to use, copy the current > named.conf to that location, and specify the working directory > there. as stated in #3 - but a bit vague I suspect. > Leave the reinstall to systems that require it - eg MS thingys. been there, done that - refused to recieve the t-shirt. It was "late" after a day bashing at ms machines, shouldn't have replied to the email I guess, the windows machine is running nicely now and I'm back on familiar grounds again (FreeBSD) - sorry for any inconvenience /Søren From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 26 08:43:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68F737B404 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:43:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from blue.gerhardt-it.com (gw.gerhardt-it.com [204.83.38.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F0743FF2 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:42:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@g-it.ca) Received: from [24.71.178.119] (h24-71-178-119.ss.shawcable.net [24.71.178.119]) by blue.gerhardt-it.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FB6FD96 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:42:52 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:42:44 -0600 From: Scott Gerhardt To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: Periodic Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:43:04 -0000 I have a number of web maintenance scripts (rotate logs, backups, systems checks etc.). Some of these scripts are run by periodic d/m/w and others are run at specific times by cron. My question is can I add a "periodic hourly" entry to crontab and create a "/usr/local/etc/periodic/hourly" directory and put the hourly scripts in this directory? Will they be executed? I don't want to pollute crontab with too many entries and I also want to keep everything logical and well organized so that other SysAdmins understand what I have done. Where is the most logical standard place to keep these custom scripts? Any recommendations? Thanks, -- Scott Gerhardt, P.Geo. Gerhardt Information Technologies [G-IT] From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 26 10:47:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A53E37B404 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A5E43F3F for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fearow@attbi.com) Received: from god.woofcat.com (12-251-110-17.client.attbi.com[12.251.110.17]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <20030326184714003004kaume>; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:47:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:46:45 -0600 From: Anti To: Scott Gerhardt Message-Id: <20030326124645.4da675f3.fearow@attbi.com> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Woofcat X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-26.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, QUOTE_TWICE_1,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Periodic Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:47:17 -0000 On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:42:44 -0600 Scott Gerhardt wrote: > > I have a number of web maintenance scripts (rotate logs, backups, systems > checks etc.). Some of these scripts are run by periodic d/m/w and others > are run at specific times by cron. > > My question is can I add a "periodic hourly" entry to crontab and create a > "/usr/local/etc/periodic/hourly" directory and put the hourly scripts in > this directory? Will they be executed? > > I don't want to pollute crontab with too many entries and I also want to > keep everything logical and well organized so that other SysAdmins > understand what I have done. Where is the most logical standard place to > keep these custom scripts? yes, this would work just fine... From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 26 11:49:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310F837B404 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6E043F3F for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:49:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sellis@telus.net) Received: from WHATEVER ([216.232.133.79]) by priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.netESMTP <20030326194911.OUPE26116.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@WHATEVER>; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:49:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:45:15 -0800 From: Sean Ellis X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: yes X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <18340858833.20030326114515@telus.net> To: Scott Gerhardt In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,REFERENCES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Periodic Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sean Ellis List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:49:14 -0000 > Any recommendations? this article (parts 1 and 2) may be of use. "Understanding the Automatons Dru Lavigne explains scripts that are run automatically by your system. Understanding these scripts can be the key to keeping your system tuned and secure." http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2001/11/08/FreeBSD_Basics.html Here are others in this series: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/ct/15 -- Sean mailto:sellis@telus.net From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 26 12:10:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA98E37B404 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from users.munk.nu (213-152-51-194.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [213.152.51.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662D543FAF for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:10:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: from users.munk.nu (munk@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.munk.nu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2QKBvHP007783 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:11:57 GMT (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: (from munk@localhost) by users.munk.nu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2QKBvbc007782 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:11:57 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:11:57 +0000 From: Jez Hancock To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030326201157.GA7599@users.munk.nu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-32.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: Re: Periodic Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:10:58 -0000 On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:42:44AM -0600, Scott Gerhardt wrote: > My question is can I add a "periodic hourly" entry to crontab and create a > "/usr/local/etc/periodic/hourly" directory and put the hourly scripts in > this directory? Will they be executed? Create a directory: /etc/periodic/hourly/ populating it with scripts in a manner similar to /etc/periodic/daily et al, then add variables into your /etc/periodic.conf file for the daily scripts and call it from cron using: 1 * * * * root periodic hourly in /etc/crontab. man periodic seems to suggest you can do this: SYNOPSIS periodic directory ... If an argument is an absolute directory name it is used as is, otherwise it is searched for under /etc/periodic and any other directories speci- fied by the local_periodic setting in periodic.conf(5) (see below). The periodic program will run each executable file in the directory or directories specified. If a file does not have the executable bit set, it is silently ignored. Regards, Jez From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 26 18:20:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D155D37B404 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9FC43F75 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:20:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fearow@attbi.com) Received: from god.woofcat.com (12-251-110-17.client.attbi.com[12.251.110.17]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with SMTP id <2003032702202800200jf603e>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 02:20:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:19:58 -0600 From: Anti To: Jez Hancock Message-Id: <20030326201958.6b163dcd.fearow@attbi.com> In-Reply-To: <20030326201157.GA7599@users.munk.nu> References: <20030326201157.GA7599@users.munk.nu> Organization: Woofcat X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-25.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Periodic Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 02:20:32 -0000 On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:11:57 +0000 Jez Hancock wrote: > On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:42:44AM -0600, Scott Gerhardt wrote: > > My question is can I add a "periodic hourly" entry to crontab and create a > > "/usr/local/etc/periodic/hourly" directory and put the hourly scripts in > > this directory? Will they be executed? > Create a directory: > > /etc/periodic/hourly/ > > populating it with scripts in a manner similar to /etc/periodic/daily et al, > then add variables into your /etc/periodic.conf file for the daily scripts > and call it from cron using: > > 1 * * * * root periodic hourly > > in /etc/crontab. > > > man periodic seems to suggest you can do this: better to keep custom scripts under /usr/local/etc imo... the default periodic.conf checks these directories as well as the ones under /etc... From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 26 18:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2535037B404 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net (web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net [206.47.131.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F2C8543FB1 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:24:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@hawk-systems.com) Received: (qmail 3499 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 02:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1) (24.157.103.51) by web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 02:24:53 -0000 From: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" To: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:24:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: pmap_collect kernel message X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 02:24:57 -0000 Getting the following message on occasion fro a moderately high load server(for us anyway), lost my secret decoder ring, anyone care to shed some light on the problem and solution? Mar 26 21:11:46 web1 /kernel: pmap_collect: collecting pv entries -- suggest increasing PMAP_SHPGPERPROC Thanks Dave From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 26 21:08:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED9637B404 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from blue.gerhardt-it.com (gw.gerhardt-it.com [204.83.38.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77A143F93 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:08:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@g-it.ca) Received: from [24.71.178.119] (h24-71-178-119.ss.shawcable.net [24.71.178.119]) by blue.gerhardt-it.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D05EFD96; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:08:22 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:08:20 -0600 From: Scott Gerhardt To: Anti , Jez Hancock Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030326201958.6b163dcd.fearow@attbi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Periodic Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:08:27 -0000 On 3/26/03 8:19 PM, "Anti" wrote: > On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:11:57 +0000 > Jez Hancock wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:42:44AM -0600, Scott Gerhardt wrote: >>> My question is can I add a "periodic hourly" entry to crontab and create a >>> "/usr/local/etc/periodic/hourly" directory and put the hourly scripts in >>> this directory? Will they be executed? >> Create a directory: >> >> /etc/periodic/hourly/ >> >> populating it with scripts in a manner similar to /etc/periodic/daily et al, >> then add variables into your /etc/periodic.conf file for the daily scripts >> and call it from cron using: >> >> 1 * * * * root periodic hourly >> >> in /etc/crontab. >> >> >> man periodic seems to suggest you can do this: > > > better to keep custom scripts under /usr/local/etc imo... the default > periodic.conf checks these directories as well as the ones under /etc... Yes, I agree that it would be best to keep all the custom scripts under /usr/local/etc, that is what I have been doing so far. Thanks for all your great comments! -- Scott Gerhardt, P.Geo. Gerhardt Information Technologies [G-IT] From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 27 01:17:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F94F37B448 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 01:17:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.voljatel.si (mail.voljatel.si [217.72.64.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10338440A8 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:58:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jaka.erjavec@voljatel.si) Received: from mainframe.hide.voljatel.si (pehta.voljatel.si [217.72.64.8]) by mail.voljatel.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F994A330; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:57:59 +0100 (CET) From: Jaka Erjavec Organization: Voljatel telekomunikacije d.d. To: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" , Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:02:31 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303271002.31860.jaka.erjavec@voljatel.si> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-26.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: Re: pmap_collect kernel message X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jaka.erjavec@voljatel.si List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:17:20 -0000 Hi Dave, You should do just what it says. Increase PMAP_SHPGPERPROC option in kernel. Read below. --------------------- copied from the LINT ----------------------------------- # # Set the number of PV entries per process. Increasing this can # stop panics related to heavy use of shared memory. However, that can # (combined with large amounts of physical memory) cause panics at # boot time due the kernel running out of VM space. # # If you're tweaking this, you might also want to increase the sysctls # "vm.v_free_min", "vm.v_free_reserved", and "vm.v_free_target". # # The value below is the one more than the default. # options PMAP_SHPGPERPROC=201 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaka On Thursday 27 March 2003 03:24, Dave [Hawk-Systems] wrote: > Getting the following message on occasion fro a moderately high load > server(for us anyway), lost my secret decoder ring, anyone care to shed > some light on the problem and solution? > > Mar 26 21:11:46 web1 /kernel: pmap_collect: collecting pv entries -- > suggest increasing PMAP_SHPGPERPROC > > Thanks > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Jaka Erjavec ------------------------------------ VOLJATEL Telekomunikacije d.d. Smartinska 106, Ljubljana, Slovenia Tel. +386.(0)1.5875 834 Fax. +386.(0)1.5875 899 ------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 04:43:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B40037B401 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 04:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from swisseasy.net (dns1.swisseasy.net [195.134.144.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A228743FB1 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 04:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arie@gerszt.ch) Received: (qmail 95172 invoked by uid 85); 28 Mar 2003 11:58:59 -0000 Received: from arie@gerszt.ch by caramba.gerszt.ch by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.66 NSV. spamassassin: 2.44. Clear:. Processed in 1.50519 secs); 28 Mar 2003 11:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DELLARIE) (212.41.74.56) by mail.swisseasy.net with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 11:58:57 -0000 From: "Arie J. Gerszt" To: Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:43:24 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: lsof output X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:43:32 -0000 hi can anyone tell me what does outputs from lsof should indicate? named 262 bind 4u IPv4 0xdde79bc0 0t0 UDP *:blackjack --> blackjack? named 72138 bind 4u IPv4 0xdde79c80 0t0 UDP *:2063 --> named on 2063? thanks and regards arie From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 12:46:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8870B37B409 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from gray.impulse.net (gray.impulse.net [207.154.64.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5103E4405D for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:44:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ted@gray.impulse.net) Received: from gray.impulse.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gray.impulse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4677284 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:44:26 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Ted Cabeen Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:44:26 -0800 Sender: ted@gray.impulse.net Message-Id: <20030328204426.4677284@gray.impulse.net> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=PGP_SIGNATURE autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: *** SAGE: It's Salary Survey Time! (fwd) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:46:22 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey everybody. In the past I've found the results of this salary survey to be *very* helpful. Can you pass it on to any sysadmins that you know and fill it out yourself if you are one? The more people who fill it out, the better the data will be. You get a copy of the survey results in return for filling it out. - ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:49:23 -0700 (MST) From: "Rob Kolstad, SAGE E.D." To: sage-all@sage.org Subject: *** SAGE: It's Salary Survey Time! Each year, SAGE administers a salary survey to gauge the state of affairs of sysadmin compensation. This year, SAGE has teamed up with SANS and Sun's BigAdmin group to expand the reach of the survey, potentially to as many as 250,000 admins. Why team up? Because salary surveys are valuable when their participation level is high. They reveal statistics about salaries, work habits, and other information that you can use to point out legitimate industry trends or argue with your HR department. I'm trying to make this year's salary survey the best ever! Not only have the questions streamlined but the software also includes a complete (different) survey just for consultants and others who are self-employed. The survey takes less than 20 minutes to complete (many say that 17 minutes feels about right). Why not give it a whirl? You get a free copy of the results in exchange for completing the survey... and you also get the good feeling of knowing you have done a Good Thing. Here's the URL: http://www.sage.org/salsur Please encourage your colleagues to participate, as well. RK ====================================================================== * /\ Rob Kolstad Executive Director, SAGE * /\ / \ kolstad@sage.org FAX: +1 719-481-6551 /\/ \/ \ +1 719-481-6542 15235 Roller Coaster Road / \ / \ http://www.sage.org Colorado Springs, CO 80921 ====================================================================== - ------- End of Forwarded Message - -- Ted Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen ted@impulse.net Check Website or Keyserver for PGP/GPG Key BA0349D2 secabeen@pobox.com "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon secabeen@cabeen.org "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot cabeen@netcom.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE+hLQqoayJfLoDSdIRAi9RAJ98FxEsaX139qIDmlbzMFVpbTTLVwCgtw0W SM0zrdKVwA4NKf86BRMV6Nw= =w4Qd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 03:19:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A70137B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 03:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f103.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C30643F85 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 03:19:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unixtools@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 03:19:26 -0800 Received: from 203.199.109.165 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:19:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.199.109.165] X-Originating-Email: [unixtools@hotmail.com] From: "Sunil Sunder Raj" To: arie@gerszt.ch Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:49:25 +0530 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2003 11:19:26.0043 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E9002B0:01C2F5E5] cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file system help needed X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:19:27 -0000 HI, Consider your zone files in /etc/named cd /etc mv named to /usr/www ln -s /usr/www/named /etc/named this will help you out. Cheers SSR >From: "Arie J. Gerszt" >To: >Subject: file system help needed >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:14:59 +0100 > >Hi Everybody > >I have a huge problem as you see ... > >Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >/dev/ad0s1a 99183 96309 -5060 106% / >/dev/ad0s1e 5458605 2866595 2155322 57% /usr >/dev/ad0s1g 17876344 1085421 15360816 7% /usr/www >/dev/ad0s1f 4465853 212592 3895993 5% /var >procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > >This server is a production server and I can't add any dns zonefiles or >passwords, >because they sit in /etc which is full, evidently. > >What can I do to solve that rather quickly? The disk ad0 has free space: > >caramba# fdisk /dev/ad0 >******* Working on device /dev/ad0 ******* >parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: >cylinders=3649 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > >Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 >parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: >cylinders=3649 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) > >Media sector size is 512 >Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 >Information from DOS bootblock is: >The data for partition 1 is: >sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) > start 63, size 58621122 (28623 Meg), flag 80 (active) > beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; > end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 >The data for partition 2 is: > >The data for partition 3 is: > >The data for partition 4 is: > >caramba# > > >--> but i am not sure what to do, because I can't have any long downtime, >understandibily. >Thanks for help, > >Arie > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Mobile, masti, magic! 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