From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 21:46:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638D016A4BF for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.bee-s.net (smtp.bee-s.net [195.128.150.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A351343FEA for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:46:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@bee-s.com) Received: from inet11.beeline-samara.ru (inet11.bee [172.24.40.229]) by www.bee-s.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id h814n8G68852 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:49:09 +0500 (SAMST) (envelope-from brian@bee-s.com) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:46:40 +0500 From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=EC=C5=CA=CB=C1=CE=C4?= To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030901094640.38576293.brian@bee-s.com> Organization: BeeLine Samara Internet X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: df and du output different ( X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 04:46:49 -0000 Hi, all ! Tomorrow i got a such curius output - see below su-2.05# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da1s1e 14G 9.1G 4.3G 68% /data su-2.05# cd /data su-2.05# du -d1 -h 129M ./template 1.0K ./dim 1.2G ./mail 616M ./stat 128M ./template4renew 611M ./php 1.2G ./posh 694M ./news 394M ./switch04 3.0G ./elite 7.9G . Can you prompt me where is 9.1G-7.9G=1.2G ? P.S. su-2.05# uname -a FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #4: Thu May 15 09:31:08 SAMST 2003 root@localhost:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TUNED i386 -- Thanks, Andrew. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 22:44:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B30016A4BF for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inetbml02.citec.qld.gov.au (inetbml02.citec.qld.gov.au [203.5.10.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5656743F93 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:44:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgcccdc@citec.qld.gov.au) Received: from inetbml1.citec.qld.gov.au (inetbml1.citec.qld.gov.au [147.132.176.90]) by inetbml02.citec.qld.gov.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id F006993BB1 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:44:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from guru.citec.qld.gov.au (ux11003313.pclan.citec.com.au [147.132.22.88]) by inetbml1.citec.qld.gov.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF67A60008 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:44:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from guru.citec.qld.gov.au (localhost.citec.qld.gov.au [127.0.0.1]) by guru.citec.qld.gov.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 930F0D92A for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:44:36 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:44:36 +1000 From: Colin Campbell To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030901154436.4a11d02b.sgcccdc@citec.qld.gov.au> In-Reply-To: <20030901094640.38576293.brian@bee-s.com> References: <20030901094640.38576293.brian@bee-s.com> Organization: Citec X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-freebsd4.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: df and du output different ( X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 05:44:39 -0000 Hi, On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:46:40 +0500 =E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA =EC=C5=CA=CB=C1=CE=C4 wrote: > Hi, all ! >=20 > Tomorrow i got a such curius output - see below=20 >=20 > su-2.05# df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/da1s1e 14G 9.1G 4.3G 68% /data >=20 > su-2.05# cd /data > su-2.05# du -d1 -h > 129M ./template > 1.0K ./dim > 1.2G ./mail > 616M ./stat > 128M ./template4renew > 611M ./php > 1.2G ./posh > 694M ./news > 394M ./switch04 > 3.0G ./elite > 7.9G . >=20 > Can you prompt me where is 9.1G-7.9G=3D1.2G ? You have a file whose directory entry has been deleted but a process still = has the file open. I know you can find it with lsof. Maybe you can find it with fstat, too. Colin -- Colin Campbell Unix Support/Postmaster/Hostmaster Citec +61 7 3227 6334 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 23:19:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6491916A4BF for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aragorn.summit.net.au (aragorn.summit.net.au [203.221.180.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92F043FF7 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:19:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lachlan@fatpanda.net) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.summit.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id B777014CA7 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:19:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from D7B3B81S (project.summit.net.au [218.185.87.4]) by aragorn.summit.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id D36E214C04 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:19:15 +1000 (EST) From: "Lachlan" To: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:19:24 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: RE: Chosing a hosting server. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 06:19:29 -0000 Just about managing users,emails and quota's, a program like plesk would probably do it. I don't know a lot about it, but it might be worth having a look at. Regards, Lachlan -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Charles Hatvany Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 12:13 AM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; freebsd@yazzy.org Subject: Re: Chosing a hosting server. Martin, DNS should allow you to split the mail from the web by pointing the MX and the A records to different places. Ditto for ftp, if that is set up with a different URL (such as ftp.xxxx.com). So you could have 3 servers doing different services. The database could be on any of the servers as long as you can mount the filesystem on the other two. I'll let someone else answer the question about the tools - I would also be interested in that answer. Charles Hatvany >>> Martin Jessa 8/28/03 9:15:32 AM >>> Hi. I am planning setup of misc services for an Wireless ISP. They want to host mail and websites of their users. The server will run mail (imap, pop3), web and ftp services which will all authenticate users against the same sql database. They want to have about 5000+ customers. Each of the users will have granted 30 megs web space and about the same for their emails. The problem is chosing a server that can handle all that. I could split the services between different servers but I am not aware of an application that can allow me to do so. Any suggestions ? As I said I would also need some sort of tool to be able to easly handle things like adding new users with custom email and web quota, ability to add new email addresses for one user, it should also be able to talk to a radius server which will authenticate connections with the same database as the mail server. It does not have to be an open source application. Any help appreciated. Cheers, YazzY _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 02:09:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B74316A4BF for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 02:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hep.uchicago.edu (hep.uchicago.edu [128.135.102.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84E443FE1 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 02:09:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oser@hep.uchicago.edu) Received: (from oser@localhost) by hep.uchicago.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h8199UfT15900604 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:09:30 GMT Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:09:30 GMT Message-Id: <200309010909.h8199UfT15900604@hep.uchicago.edu> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Auto-Submitted: auto-replied From: oser@hep.uchicago.edu (Scott Oser) Precedence: bulk Subject: Account error X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:09:31 -0000 This account no longer exists. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 02:27:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6317016A4BF for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 02:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exchange.wan.no (exchange.wan.no [80.86.128.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F5343FBD for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 02:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sten.daniel.sorsdal@wan.no) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:24:33 +0200 Message-ID: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Multi-Homed Routing Thread-Index: AcNupYot8D3RmK0JRcuOg56KNhXNgQBxQTWA From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sten_Daniel_S=F8rsdal?= To: "Kenneth Kabagambe" , "Thomas Dwyer" , Subject: RE: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:27:10 -0000 [.snip.] >=20 > this solution would work if you had alot of extra cash=20 > stashed away, just=20 > waiting to be used, which i dont think is the case here. yes=20 > bgp is the=20 > accepted solution but is way too expensive to implement. >=20 Aye >=20 > > However. > >=20 > > You could achieve almost the same effect by using a script to > > check if both gateways are up and if one goes down it automatically=20 > > changes the default route to the working ISP. > > Then automatically adjust your DNS pointers to the new ip=20 > address(es). >=20 > kudos to the venerable ping. Kudos! >=20 > >=20 > > Your public ip address(es) will change, and hence some people wont=20 > > be able to reach your site until their DNS's are updated. Some=20 > > people have caching DNS's that wont expire a record for a long time=20 > > to not generate alot of traffic and wont reach your site at all. > >=20 >=20 > Stan, Cant someone use dyndns? wouldnt it be easier to use? Sten :) Dyndns is one of many similar solutions, of course someone could use = dyndns. I do believe that dyndns has the same "flaw" i describe above, but that = is a local dns management issue. So yes. 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Please call my cell phone (214) 727-9741 if it is = emergency. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 12:10:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A7816A4BF for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (a65-124-16-8.svc.towardex.com [65.124.16.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2753D44003 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:10:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from haesu@mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com) Received: by mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (TowardEX ESMTP 3.0p11_DAKN, from userid 1001) id 7E7462F921; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:10:48 -0400 From: Haesu To: Sten Daniel S?rsdal , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030901191048.GA93348@scylla.towardex.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 19:10:35 -0000 On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 11:24:33AM +0200, Sten Daniel S?rsdal wrote: > [.snip.] > > > > this solution would work if you had alot of extra cash > > stashed away, just > > waiting to be used, which i dont think is the case here. yes > > bgp is the > > accepted solution but is way too expensive to implement. > > > Aye Yes and no. If you use some residential ISP or some cheapo local isp that doesnt even know how to configure BGP, then yes it is expensive path to take. If you already have competant provider as your upstreams, turning up bgp is just a matter of typing 'portinstall zebra' and get AS number from RIR and request minimum of /24 from LIR. Then just register your /24 at ALTDB for free. BGP *may* be expensive, but it truly is scalable and fully configurable for hosting applications. I.e. I can play the whole BGP game to route x amount of my customers via some cheap bandwidth provider, or some cust blocks out via premium bandwidht providers, etc, etc It's definately a powerful tool if you are up for it. -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 > > > > > > However. > > > > > > You could achieve almost the same effect by using a script to > > > check if both gateways are up and if one goes down it automatically > > > changes the default route to the working ISP. > > > Then automatically adjust your DNS pointers to the new ip > > address(es). > > > > kudos to the venerable ping. > > Kudos! > > > > > > > > > Your public ip address(es) will change, and hence some people wont > > > be able to reach your site until their DNS's are updated. Some > > > people have caching DNS's that wont expire a record for a long time > > > to not generate alot of traffic and wont reach your site at all. > > > > > > > Stan, Cant someone use dyndns? wouldnt it be easier to use? > > Sten :) > > Dyndns is one of many similar solutions, of course someone could use dyndns. > I do believe that dyndns has the same "flaw" i describe above, but that is a > local dns management issue. So yes. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 13:02:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0071016A4BF for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yazzy.org (yazzy.org [217.8.140.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9779C43F3F for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:02:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@yazzy.org) Received: from yazzy.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E82593980D; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:02:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ti231120a080-0959.bb.online.no ([80.212.227.191]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user freebsd@yazzy.org) by mail.yazzy.org with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:02:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <32841.80.212.227.191.1062446566.squirrel@mail.yazzy.org> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:02:46 +0200 (CEST) From: "Martin Jessa" To: In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chosing a hosting server. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@yazzy.org List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:02:49 -0000 I have about one day to build the network infrastructure. I've been running services with misc purpose as long as I can remember but it's the first time when I have to plan a setup for 5000 users. What I am most worried about is what kind of hardware to use. I.e I am not sure if I can set up failover FreeBSD servers as the main front routers for my network. The deal is I would get fiber optical cable to my server room which will get hooked to a Cisco router. Then I have to devide the network between about 50 wireless nodes, each with 50-90 mbit link. All the nodes have to talk to my server park with misc services like bw limiting, mail,web,radius for user auth, live streaming etc. Now, I have no idea how to hook the nodes together with the servers behind my routers so that the traffic doesn't get choked. I would have to limit bw of the users on those front routers as well, most propably with DUMMYNET or ALTQ. I also have to plan server(s) for web and email hosting. I have to deceide how to split them, what CPU's to use and how much HD space (each user will get about 30 megs of email and 30 megs of web space). I can set up all the services with my eyes closed but I have zero experience with that big amount of traffic. Please give me an advice guys, I really feel lost here :) Thanks a lot in advance. YazzY > Just about managing users,emails and quota's, > > a program like plesk would probably do it. I don't know a lot about it, > but it might be worth having a look at. > > > Regards, > Lachlan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Charles Hatvany Sent: > Friday, August 29, 2003 12:13 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; freebsd@yazzy.org > Subject: Re: Chosing a hosting server. > > > Martin, > > DNS should allow you to split the mail from the web by pointing the MX > and the A records to different places. Ditto for ftp, if that is set up > with a different URL (such as ftp.xxxx.com). So you could have 3 > servers doing different services. The database could be on any of the > servers as long as you can mount the filesystem on the other two. > > I'll let someone else answer the question about the tools - I would also > be interested in that answer. > > Charles Hatvany > >>>> Martin Jessa 8/28/03 9:15:32 AM >>> > Hi. > > I am planning setup of misc services for an Wireless ISP. > They want to host mail and websites of their users. > The server will run mail (imap, pop3), web and ftp services which will > all authenticate users against the same sql database. > They want to have about 5000+ customers. > Each of the users will have granted 30 megs web space and about the same > for their emails. > The problem is chosing a server that can handle all that. I could split > the services between different servers but I am not aware of an > application that can allow me to do so. > Any suggestions ? > As I said I would also need some sort of tool to be able to easly handle > things like adding new users with custom email and web quota, ability to > add new email addresses for one user, it should also be able to talk to > a radius server which will authenticate connections with the same > database as the mail server. > It does not have to be an open source application. > Any help appreciated. > > Cheers, > YazzY > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 21:26:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0E316A4BF for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from light.sdf.com (light.sdf.com [207.200.153.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B02E43FCB for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:26:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by light.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19u2k8-000FdH-Ip; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:26:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:26:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Haesu In-Reply-To: <20030901191048.GA93348@scylla.towardex.com> Message-ID: <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901191048.GA93348@scylla.towardex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Tom cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 04:26:41 -0000 On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Haesu wrote: > On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 11:24:33AM +0200, Sten Daniel S?rsdal wrote: > > [.snip.] > > > > > > this solution would work if you had alot of extra cash > > > stashed away, just > > > waiting to be used, which i dont think is the case here. yes > > > bgp is the > > > accepted solution but is way too expensive to implement. > > > > > Aye > > Yes and no. If you use some residential ISP or some cheapo local isp > that doesnt even know how to configure BGP, then yes it is expensive > path to take. > > If you already have competant provider as your upstreams, turning up bgp > is just a matter of typing 'portinstall zebra' and get AS number from > RIR and request minimum of /24 from LIR. Then just register your /24 at > ALTDB for free. Assuming your IP registry will provide you a /24. For those in the Americas, ARIN will not give you anything less than a /19, and you need to prove that you can use most of it within 6 months. That means most small providers can't go this route. Plus, some have suggested just advertising your existing assignments from your other provider. Bad idea. Most providers address allocated is not portable. Check WHOIS for "ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE". Besides, even if your existing provider's IP blocks work, and your provider allows you to do this (you should always ask first), you'll be advertising a more specific prefix of one of their larger blocks. Guess what that will do? ALTDB? Route registry is only as good as good as the networks that use it. There are so many registries now. RADB is ok. You have to pay a a small yearly admin fee. But that means that they can have actual staff to make sure everything is up to date. Any route registry that allows anyone and their dog to register anything, isn't going to something that big tier 1 providers are going to trust to build route policies. > BGP *may* be expensive, but it truly is scalable and fully configurable > for hosting applications. I.e. I can play the whole BGP game to route x > amount of my customers via some cheap bandwidth provider, or some cust > blocks out via premium bandwidht providers, etc, etc It's definately a > powerful tool if you are up for it. But you need to know what you doing. If you dump the routing table, you'll see that many networks can't even do basic route summaries. > -hc > > -- > Sincerely, > Haesu C. > TowardEX Technologies, Inc. > WWW: http://www.towardex.com > E-mail: haesu@towardex.com > Cell: (978) 394-2867 Tom From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 21:33:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA3716A4BF for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4428D43FF9 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:33:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@freebsd.org) Received: from master.dougb.net (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com[12.234.22.23](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <200309020433130120024hh2e>; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 04:33:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:33:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Tom In-Reply-To: <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> Message-ID: <20030901213220.U6074@znfgre.qbhto.arg> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Haesu Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 04:33:16 -0000 On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Tom wrote: > For those in the Americas, ARIN will not give you anything less than a > /19 If this was ever true, it hasn't been true for a long time: http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv4.html Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 21:54:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7E816A4BF; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from light.sdf.com (light.sdf.com [207.200.153.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADA643FCB; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by light.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19u3Aw-000FqK-R3; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:53:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <20030901213220.U6074@znfgre.qbhto.arg> Message-ID: <20030901214806.I60750@light.sdf.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> <20030901213220.U6074@znfgre.qbhto.arg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Tom cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Haesu Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 04:54:17 -0000 On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Doug Barton wrote: > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Tom wrote: > > > For those in the Americas, ARIN will not give you anything less than a > > /19 > > If this was ever true, it hasn't been true for a long time: > > http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv4.html Strictly speaking it is a /20 now. It was changed. But to get a /20, you need to prove that you are actually using a /20's worth of space of already. That means completing filling at least 12 class-Cs. And by getting a block from ARIN, you are compelled to re-number, meaning most of your /20 is gone. That is ok, if your network isn't growing too quickly, but if you are adding lots yet, most networks will want a /19. You certainly are not going to get a /24 from ARIN: ARIN allocates IP address prefixes no longer than /20. If allocations smaller than /20 are needed, ISPs should request address space from their upstream provider. > Doug > > -- Tom From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 03:22:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7E416A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yazzy.wrs.no (mail.wrs.no [213.236.173.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33A643FBF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@yazzy.org) Received: from h311r4iz3r.wrs (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yazzy.wrs.no (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FBCE4388 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:01:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:01:24 +0200 From: Martin Jessa To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030902120124.42c7171d.freebsd@yazzy.org> Organization: ezUnix.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Stunnel - robust enough? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:22:55 -0000 Hi. I use stunnel today to tunnel IMAPS -> IMAP. I have just a few users that connect to the tunnel. It's been up for allmost a year with no problems so far. I wonder how robust stunnel would be if it had to handle a couple hundred of concurrent connections. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 05:42:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B10716A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 05:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bart.LF.net (bart.LF.net [212.9.190.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA8643FBF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 05:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ms@bart.LF.net) Received: from ms by bart.LF.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 19uATb-0001Ee-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Di, 02 Sep 2003 14:41:39 +0200 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:41:39 +0200 From: Marc Schoechlin To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030902124139.GA4688@LF.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Ticket-Action: x X-Ticket-Nr: x Sender: Marc Schoechlin Subject: how to implement a logging of a anonymous-cvs server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:42:12 -0000 Hi ! I would like to implement a logging of a public anonymous-cvs server. How can I get a logile which gives me information about any access to the repository (regardless of the type of access)? I know that there is a logfile which contains the commit- add-, and remove-operations (CVROOT/history). The background of this question is, that I´m maintaining a small open-source-project, and I would like know who is using and testing my software :-)) If I activate logging for inetd, also all the other inetd-sessions are logged (i.e. ftp-transfers) - and that decreases the free space of my harddisk very quickly :-)) Maybe there is a way to decrease the logging of inetd/syslogd to cvs-connections ? Best regards Marc Schoechlin -- Gruss / Best regards | LF.net GmbH | fon +49 711 90074-413 Marc Schoechlin | Ruppmannstr. 27 | fax +49 711 90074-33 ms@LF.net | D-70565 Stuttgart | http://www.lf.net From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 07:34:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A6516A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (a65-124-16-8.svc.towardex.com [65.124.16.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB80343FF2 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from haesu@mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com) Received: by mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (TowardEX ESMTP 3.0p11_DAKN, from userid 1001) id 773932F946; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:34:36 -0400 From: Haesu To: Tom , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030902143436.GA34200@scylla.towardex.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> <20030901213220.U6074@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <20030901214806.I60750@light.sdf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030901214806.I60750@light.sdf.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:34:21 -0000 Policy Proposal 2003-11 at ARIN may end up reducing from /20 to /22 for multihomed organizations. But regardless, getting a /24 is not hard. Ask your upstream. Your upstream provider assigns you a /24, not your regional RIR. Your RIR will only assign you on bigger needs, i.e. /20 as you said. Get on route-views.oregon-ix.net and see to yourself how many /24's are existing on internet routing table, not to mention how many of them are from North America, especially USA. -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 09:53:54PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Doug Barton wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Tom wrote: > > > > > For those in the Americas, ARIN will not give you anything less than a > > > /19 > > > > If this was ever true, it hasn't been true for a long time: > > > > http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv4.html > > Strictly speaking it is a /20 now. It was changed. But to get a /20, > you need to prove that you are actually using a /20's worth of space of > already. That means completing filling at least 12 class-Cs. And by > getting a block from ARIN, you are compelled to re-number, meaning most of > your /20 is gone. That is ok, if your network isn't growing too quickly, > but if you are adding lots yet, most networks will want a /19. > > You certainly are not going to get a /24 from ARIN: > > ARIN allocates IP address prefixes no longer than /20. If allocations > smaller than /20 are needed, ISPs should request address space from their > upstream provider. > > > > Doug > > > > -- > > > Tom From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 07:46:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF9316A4C0 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (a65-124-16-8.svc.towardex.com [65.124.16.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815DC43F85 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:46:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from haesu@mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com) Received: by mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (TowardEX ESMTP 3.0p11_DAKN, from userid 1001) id A0A4B2F993; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:46:49 -0400 From: Haesu To: Tom , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030902144649.GA34440@scylla.towardex.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901191048.GA93348@scylla.towardex.com> <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:46:37 -0000 > > Plus, some have suggested just advertising your existing assignments > from your other provider. Bad idea. Most providers address allocated > is not portable. Check WHOIS for "ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE > NON-PORTABLE". Besides, even if your existing provider's IP blocks work, > and your provider allows you to do this (you should always ask first), > you'll be advertising a more specific prefix of one of their larger > blocks. Guess what that will do? Obviously you have not had enough experience working with BGP customers. Longer matches always win. Your provider announces the aggregate. It's funny to say I've had up to /20 being announced elsewhere with provider's permission even when whois shows ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE. Most providers will not care as long as you can justify why you want to announce the block elsewhere, and as long as you properly register them at IRR. Yes IRR routing registry is only as good as the networks that use it. But you know what? Major carriers do use them, and those who filter routes on RIR registration boundaries either a) point a default route to elsewhere or b) build filter based on IRR. Try peering with some big national carrier-- they will not peer with you if you do not use IRR -- especially in US. Frankly, if you are a backbone filtering /24s, you obviously don't know where to get to the internet if you are not even using IRR. Even our good old friends at Verio is accepting our announced /24's now as long as registered in the IRR. > But you need to know what you doing. If you dump the routing table, > you'll see that many networks can't even do basic route summaries. You mean aggregation? I don't follow. -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 > > > -hc > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Haesu C. > > TowardEX Technologies, Inc. > > WWW: http://www.towardex.com > > E-mail: haesu@towardex.com > > Cell: (978) 394-2867 > > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 09:56:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D1A16A4E2 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from light.sdf.com (light.sdf.com [207.200.153.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8381F43FB1 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by light.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uERy-000LJ5-Sx; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:56:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:56:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Haesu In-Reply-To: <20030902143436.GA34200@scylla.towardex.com> Message-ID: <20030902094522.H63339@light.sdf.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901213220.U6074@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <20030902143436.GA34200@scylla.towardex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Tom cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:56:32 -0000 On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Haesu wrote: > Policy Proposal 2003-11 at ARIN may end up reducing from /20 to /22 for > multihomed organizations. > > But regardless, getting a /24 is not hard. Ask your upstream. Your upstream provider assigns you a /24, not your regional RIR. > Your RIR will only assign you on bigger needs, i.e. /20 as you said. Getting a portable /24 from your upstream is hard. Even, then you end likely end up annoucing a more specific prefix. > Get on route-views.oregon-ix.net and see to yourself how many /24's are > existing on internet routing table, not to mention how many of them are > from North America, especially USA. Yes, there are a lot of /24's in the routing table. That is legacy, and if you look closely, many of those are pretty stupid too. The policy today, is that only small prefixes should be announced in order to prevent route table bloat. In fact, I've seen a table on the ARIN site, which I can't find right now, which shows the minimum block size that ARIN has assigned in each /8. For instance, 204/8 the size was /24, and for 216/8, it was /20. A lot of networks use these rules to build a routing policy to block bogus routes. It keeps the legacy junk routes contained. > -hc > > -- > Sincerely, > Haesu C. > TowardEX Technologies, Inc. > WWW: http://www.towardex.com > E-mail: haesu@towardex.com > Cell: (978) 394-2867 Tom From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 10:03:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A3A16A4C0 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (a65-124-16-8.svc.towardex.com [65.124.16.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DC743FDD for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from haesu@mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com) Received: by mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (TowardEX ESMTP 3.0p11_DAKN, from userid 1001) id 7AA922F972; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:03:16 -0400 From: Haesu To: Tom , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030902170316.GB40781@scylla.towardex.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> <20030901213220.U6074@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <20030901214806.I60750@light.sdf.com> <20030902143436.GA34200@scylla.towardex.com> <20030902094522.H63339@light.sdf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030902094522.H63339@light.sdf.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:03:04 -0000 > > Getting a portable /24 from your upstream is hard. Even, then you end > likely end up annoucing a more specific prefix. How is it that you need a "PORTABLE" /24 to announce it from your AS? I am talking stricly from experience here, this had been done, and is being continued to be done by many. Huh????? Hard?? That's new. Even our good old friends at QWEST will off a /24 for BGP easily as long as request is justified. The definition of portability is, the upstream holder of the IP you have is the organization that you received the IP from. If you quit buying service from that organization, and your assigned IPs are not portable, you have to return it back. > > > Get on route-views.oregon-ix.net and see to yourself how many /24's are > > existing on internet routing table, not to mention how many of them are > > from North America, especially USA. > > Yes, there are a lot of /24's in the routing table. That is legacy, and > if you look closely, many of those are pretty stupid too. The policy > today, is that only small prefixes should be announced in order to prevent > route table bloat. Legacy? Really? I see a lot of 69/8 prefixes that are /24's whether they are b/c networks don't know how to aggregate or b/c of legitimate traffic engineering or other reasons. And to mind you, 69/8 is the newest ARIN allocation from IANA. Oh and also, a lot of countries in Asia-pacific regions do need to announce longer prefixes as they need to announce sub-prefixes in different locations due to expensive intra-AS and domestic circuits in their local market. This is no longer a legacy. Why is this discussion even happening at ARIN to allow prefixes longer than /20 to be allocated if this is legacy? > > In fact, I've seen a table on the ARIN site, which I can't find right > now, which shows the minimum block size that ARIN has assigned in each /8. > For instance, 204/8 the size was /24, and for 216/8, it was /20. A lot of > networks use these rules to build a routing policy to block bogus routes. > It keeps the legacy junk routes contained. We were just talking about routing table. You don't always get your IP's from ARIN or other RIR. You get it from your upstream. How hard is it to call up your upstream and say 'hey i need a /24 and here is my justification'? Not hard, unless you have issues with your provider. RIRs are there to help you if you need to get a direct allocation in larger quantity. -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 > > > -hc > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Haesu C. > > TowardEX Technologies, Inc. > > WWW: http://www.towardex.com > > E-mail: haesu@towardex.com > > Cell: (978) 394-2867 > > > Tom From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 10:11:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C13516A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from light.sdf.com (light.sdf.com [207.200.153.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC0943FAF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:11:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by light.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uEgw-000LQR-Tw; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:11:42 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Haesu In-Reply-To: <20030902144649.GA34440@scylla.towardex.com> Message-ID: <20030902095643.C63339@light.sdf.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> <20030902144649.GA34440@scylla.towardex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Tom cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:11:59 -0000 On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Haesu wrote: > > > > Plus, some have suggested just advertising your existing assignments > > from your other provider. Bad idea. Most providers address allocated > > is not portable. Check WHOIS for "ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE > > NON-PORTABLE". Besides, even if your existing provider's IP blocks work, > > and your provider allows you to do this (you should always ask first), > > you'll be advertising a more specific prefix of one of their larger > > blocks. Guess what that will do? > > Obviously you have not had enough experience working with BGP customers. > Longer matches always win. Your provider announces the aggregate. Where did I say differently? "more specific" means a longer match. > It's funny to say I've had up to /20 being announced elsewhere with > provider's permission even when whois shows ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK > ARE NON-PORTABLE. Most providers will not care as long as you can > justify why you want to announce the block elsewhere, and as long as you > properly register them at IRR. > > Yes IRR routing registry is only as good as the networks that use it. > But you know what? Major carriers do use them, and those who filter > routes on RIR registration boundaries either a) point a default route to > elsewhere or b) build filter based on IRR. Yes, most carriers do use them. But a major carrier is not going to use some fly-by-night route registry. In fact, several carriers operate their own registries, and don't trust information from anywhere else. > Try peering with some big national carrier-- they will not peer with you > if you do not use IRR -- especially in US. Doing that already. > Frankly, if you are a backbone filtering /24s, you obviously don't know where > to get to the internet if you are not even using IRR. Even our good old > friends at Verio is accepting our announced /24's now as long as registered in > the IRR. And you sure they are getting farther than that? I see only three /24s from your AS (presumably 27552), and a /21 and a /22. > > But you need to know what you doing. If you dump the routing table, > > you'll see that many networks can't even do basic route summaries. > > You mean aggregation? I don't follow. At least 10% of the routes in the table are unnecessary. > -hc > > -- > Sincerely, > Haesu C. > TowardEX Technologies, Inc. > WWW: http://www.towardex.com > E-mail: haesu@towardex.com > Cell: (978) 394-2867 > Tom From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 10:17:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FDD16A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (a65-124-16-8.svc.towardex.com [65.124.16.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425D843FD7 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:17:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from haesu@mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com) Received: by mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (TowardEX ESMTP 3.0p11_DAKN, from userid 1001) id 0A9E52F946; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:17:51 -0400 From: Haesu To: Tom , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030902171751.GA42133@scylla.towardex.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> <20030902144649.GA34440@scylla.towardex.com> <20030902095643.C63339@light.sdf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030902095643.C63339@light.sdf.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:17:35 -0000 < snip > > > Yes, most carriers do use them. But a major carrier is not going to use > some fly-by-night route registry. In fact, several carriers operate their > own registries, and don't trust information from anywhere else. Ohhh yes, and they also mirror other IRR db's too. > > And you sure they are getting farther than that? I see only three /24s > from your AS (presumably 27552), and a /21 and a /22. www.cidr-report.org They also provide view from three different ASes. Let see how many /24's you can count. > > At least 10% of the routes in the table are unnecessary. No, you meant to say 28.8% gain by fixing deaggregates -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 > > > -hc > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Haesu C. > > TowardEX Technologies, Inc. > > WWW: http://www.towardex.com > > E-mail: haesu@towardex.com > > Cell: (978) 394-2867 > > > > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 10:54:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476A216A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Chow.corp.media.net (rottie.media.net [66.113.65.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9437543FE1 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:54:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from max.clark@media.net) Received: from MCLARK (76.0.6.10.IN-ADDR.ARPA [10.6.0.76]) by Chow.corp.media.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id HKLLIV00.33M for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:49:43 -0700 From: "Max Clark" To: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:00:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: 20TB Storage System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:54:28 -0000 Hi all, I need to attach 20TB of storage to a network (as low cost as possible), I need to sustain 250Mbit/s or 30MByte/s of sustained IO from the storage to the disk. I have found external Fibre Channel -> ATA 133 Raid enclosures. These enclosures will house 16 drives so with 250GB drives a total of 3.5TB each after a RAID 5 format. These enclosures have advertised sustained IO of 90-100MByte/s each. One solution we are thinking about is to use a Intel XEON server with 3x FC HBA controller cards in the server each attached to a separate storage enclosure. In any event we would be required to use ccd or vinum to stripe multiple storage enclosures together to form one logical volume. I can partition this system into two separate 10TB storage pools. Given the above: 1) What would my expected IO be using vinum to stripe the storage enclosures detailed above? 2) What is the maximum size of a filesystem that I can present to the host OS using vinum/ccd? Am I limited anywhere that I am not aware of? 3) Could I put all 20TB on one system, or will I need two to sustain the IO required? 4) If you were building this system how would you do it? (The installed $/GB must be below $5.00 dollars). My other options are to use Solaris or Windows (which I would rather not do). Thanks in advance, Max From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 11:05:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CCE16A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.lphp.org (APastourelles-107-1-3-213.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.53.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3471F4400E for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajacoutot@lphp.org) Received: from sta01 (sta01.lphp.org.local [192.168.0.4]) by mx1.lphp.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h82I5ECY026992 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:05:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ajacoutot@lphp.org) From: Antoine Jacoutot To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:05:08 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200309022005.14753.ajacoutot@lphp.org> Subject: need advice on routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:05:20 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi ! I have a question not FreeBSD specific, but since I'm going to use FreeBSD = to=20 achieve what I need, I wanted your advice. I just arrived in a new company and their network has 2 xDSL connexions to = the=20 Net. I was wondering what would be the best setup using FreeBSD as a gateway: =2D - should I make FreeBSD use the 2 connections as the same time (to have= twice=20 the bandwidth), with bandwidth management for important services we host =2D - or should I install 2 FreeBSD gateways, one for each connection (lan = <-->=20 net; public_ip_pool <--> net) and make them communicate within a local LAN= =20 (separate from the main one). I need the main lan to be able to communicate= =20 with the public_ip_pool. =2D - or something else ... ? If I had only one connection, I would build a LAN+DMZ+gateway, but I never= =20 really worked with 2 connections. If you have any advice concerning this, working under FreeBSD of course,=20 please let me know. Best regards. =2D --=20 Antoine Jacoutot ajacoutot@lphp.org http://www.lphp.org PGP/GnuPG key: http://www.lphp.org/ressources/ajacoutot.asc =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/VNvaY3Hnhkr+5cQRAqvTAJ9YN3GzWfGgFvHtvQiYWfCqG+71zgCdGb3F l1o7ilJEY5QoU+Xs00DG1vk=3D =3DcL/h =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 11:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D703516A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from light.sdf.com (light.sdf.com [207.200.153.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2AA43FD7 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by light.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19uFtU-000M0G-LM; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:28:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Haesu In-Reply-To: <20030902171751.GA42133@scylla.towardex.com> Message-ID: <20030902112259.C63339@light.sdf.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030902144649.GA34440@scylla.towardex.com> <20030902171751.GA42133@scylla.towardex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Tom cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:29:01 -0000 On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Haesu wrote: > < snip > > > > > > Yes, most carriers do use them. But a major carrier is not going to use > > some fly-by-night route registry. In fact, several carriers operate their > > own registries, and don't trust information from anywhere else. > > Ohhh yes, and they also mirror other IRR db's too. Some do, and some don't. CW RR doesn't mirror RADB RR for instance. > > And you sure they are getting farther than that? I see only three /24s > > from your AS (presumably 27552), and a /21 and a /22. > > www.cidr-report.org They also provide view from three different ASes. Let see > how many /24's you can count. Only three are visible to me here, which shows there is a proprogation problem of some sort. > > > > At least 10% of the routes in the table are unnecessary. > > No, you meant to say 28.8% gain by fixing deaggregates 28.8% is greater than 10%, and I said that more than 10% of the routing table is junk. > -hc > > -- > Sincerely, > Haesu C. > TowardEX Technologies, Inc. > WWW: http://www.towardex.com > E-mail: haesu@towardex.com > Cell: (978) 394-2867 Tom From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 11:39:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AD316A4C0 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (a65-124-16-8.svc.towardex.com [65.124.16.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81D043F93 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from haesu@mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com) Received: by mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (TowardEX ESMTP 3.0p11_DAKN, from userid 1001) id 466C72F979; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:39:34 -0400 From: Haesu To: Tom , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030902183934.GA45181@scylla.towardex.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> <20030902144649.GA34440@scylla.towardex.com> <20030902095643.C63339@light.sdf.com> <20030902171751.GA42133@scylla.towardex.com> <20030902112259.C63339@light.sdf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030902112259.C63339@light.sdf.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:39:19 -0000 > > Only three are visible to me here, which shows there is a proprogation > problem of some sort. BGP table version is 23573, local router ID is 65.116.132.200 Status codes: s suppressed, d damped, h history, * valid, > best, i - internal Origin codes: i - IGP, e - EGP, ? - incomplete Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path *> 65.116.132.0/24 65.116.132.145 0 32768 i *> 65.124.16.0/21 65.116.132.145 0 32768 i *>i65.124.22.0/24 65.116.132.137 50 100 0 27464 i *>i65.126.230.0/24 65.116.132.165 0 0 30071 i *> 67.130.96.0/22 65.116.132.145 0 32768 i box02rsm-en01>q It's b/c I am only announcing three :) And there is no propagation problem ;) route-server.he.net>sh ip bgp reg _27552 | in /24 BGP table version is 266248501, local router ID is 64.62.142.154 Status codes: s suppressed, d damped, h history, * valid, > best, i - internal, r RIB-failure Origin codes: i - IGP, e - EGP, ? - incomplete Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path * i65.124.22.0/24 64.200.150.105 46 100 0 7911 209 27552 27552 27552 27552 27464 i * i65.126.230.0/24 64.200.150.105 46 100 0 7911 209 27552 30071 i Same deal goes to ATT route-server, oregon-ix route-views, sprint looking glass, telstra, telia route-server, dacom/bora looking glass, kdd.ne.jp. The routes are globally propagated to major backbones. And no, C&W is not filtering my /24's either. route-server.cw.net>sh ip bgp reg _27552 | in /24 BGP table version is 2160759, local router ID is 209.1.220.234 Status codes: s suppressed, d damped, h history, * valid, > best, i - internal Origin codes: i - IGP, e - EGP, ? - incomplete Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path *>i65.124.22.0/24 208.172.146.29 100 0 209 27552 27552 275 52 27552 27464 i 52 27552 27464 i *>i65.126.230.0/24 208.172.146.29 100 0 209 27552 30071 i route-server.cw.net> I rather ending this argument on the list; If you want to further discuss on this thread, please talk to me off-list. -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 16:07:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3A716A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aragorn.summit.net.au (aragorn.summit.net.au [203.221.180.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D5843FBF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:07:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lachlan@fatpanda.net) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.summit.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D88814C68; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:07:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from D7B3B81S (project.summit.net.au [218.185.87.4]) by aragorn.summit.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 2974914B2A; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:07:07 +1000 (EST) From: "Lachlan" To: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:07:10 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <32841.80.212.227.191.1062446566.squirrel@mail.yazzy.org> Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chosing a hosting server. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:07:16 -0000 Well, You already seem to know enough i would say. Using DUMMYNET between your 50 wireless nodes would control them enough for a start. With hardware for your servers, it should be simple enough. Just don't purchase cheap crap and you'll be fine. Regards, Lachlan -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Martin Jessa Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:03 AM To: lachlan@fatpanda.net Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chosing a hosting server. I have about one day to build the network infrastructure. I've been running services with misc purpose as long as I can remember but it's the first time when I have to plan a setup for 5000 users. What I am most worried about is what kind of hardware to use. I.e I am not sure if I can set up failover FreeBSD servers as the main front routers for my network. The deal is I would get fiber optical cable to my server room which will get hooked to a Cisco router. Then I have to devide the network between about 50 wireless nodes, each with 50-90 mbit link. All the nodes have to talk to my server park with misc services like bw limiting, mail,web,radius for user auth, live streaming etc. Now, I have no idea how to hook the nodes together with the servers behind my routers so that the traffic doesn't get choked. I would have to limit bw of the users on those front routers as well, most propably with DUMMYNET or ALTQ. I also have to plan server(s) for web and email hosting. I have to deceide how to split them, what CPU's to use and how much HD space (each user will get about 30 megs of email and 30 megs of web space). I can set up all the services with my eyes closed but I have zero experience with that big amount of traffic. Please give me an advice guys, I really feel lost here :) Thanks a lot in advance. YazzY > Just about managing users,emails and quota's, > > a program like plesk would probably do it. I don't know a lot about it, > but it might be worth having a look at. > > > Regards, > Lachlan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Charles Hatvany Sent: > Friday, August 29, 2003 12:13 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; freebsd@yazzy.org > Subject: Re: Chosing a hosting server. > > > Martin, > > DNS should allow you to split the mail from the web by pointing the MX > and the A records to different places. Ditto for ftp, if that is set up > with a different URL (such as ftp.xxxx.com). So you could have 3 > servers doing different services. The database could be on any of the > servers as long as you can mount the filesystem on the other two. > > I'll let someone else answer the question about the tools - I would also > be interested in that answer. > > Charles Hatvany > >>>> Martin Jessa 8/28/03 9:15:32 AM >>> > Hi. > > I am planning setup of misc services for an Wireless ISP. > They want to host mail and websites of their users. > The server will run mail (imap, pop3), web and ftp services which will > all authenticate users against the same sql database. > They want to have about 5000+ customers. > Each of the users will have granted 30 megs web space and about the same > for their emails. > The problem is chosing a server that can handle all that. I could split > the services between different servers but I am not aware of an > application that can allow me to do so. > Any suggestions ? > As I said I would also need some sort of tool to be able to easly handle > things like adding new users with custom email and web quota, ability to > add new email addresses for one user, it should also be able to talk to > a radius server which will authenticate connections with the same > database as the mail server. > It does not have to be an open source application. > Any help appreciated. > > Cheers, > YazzY > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 17:18:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9884516A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aragorn.summit.net.au (aragorn.summit.net.au [203.221.180.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343B743FE0 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lachlan@fatpanda.net) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.summit.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FCD514CBE; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:18:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from D7B3B81S (project.summit.net.au [218.185.87.4]) by aragorn.summit.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 342C114CBB; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:18:28 +1000 (EST) From: "Lachlan" To: "Christopher Raven" , Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:18:30 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <9400266.1062548825@[10.0.0.3]> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chosing a hosting server. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:18:35 -0000 http://www.smartbridges.com/ are also low in price. I have only started t= o use them, but so far, i have found no problems at all. Regards, Lachlan -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Raven [mailto:c.raven@uk.cian.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:27 AM To: Lachlan; freebsd@yazzy.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chosing a hosting server. take a look at mikrotik.com for some good, off-the-shelf wireless solutions... you can limit your clients at source using the client router= s (you can remotely control them). They can also act as proxies for network services etc... the cost of these things is so low you would have to be seriously tight on budget not to at least consider them. CR --On 03 September 2003 09:07 +1000 Lachlan wrote: > Well, > > You already seem to know enough i would say. Using DUMMYNET between you= r > 50 wireless nodes would control them enough for a start. With hardware > for your servers, it should be simple enough. Just don't purchase cheap > crap and you'll be fine. > > Regards, > Lachlan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Martin Jessa > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:03 AM > To: lachlan@fatpanda.net > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Chosing a hosting server. > > > I have about one day to build the network infrastructure. > I've been running services with misc purpose as long as I can remember = but > it's the first time when I have to plan a setup for 5000 users. > What I am most worried about is what kind of hardware to use. > I.e I am not sure if I can set up failover FreeBSD servers as the main > front routers for my network. The deal is I would get fiber optical cab= le > to my server room which will get hooked to a Cisco router. Then I have = to > divide the network between about 50 wireless nodes, each with 50-90 mbi= t > link. > All the nodes have to talk to my server park with misc services like bw > limiting, mail,web,radius for user auth, live streaming etc. > Now, I have no idea how to hook the nodes together with the servers beh= ind > my routers so that the traffic doesn't get choked. > I would have to limit bw of the users on those front routers as well, m= ost > propably with DUMMYNET or ALTQ. > I also have to plan server(s) for web and email hosting. I have to dece= ide > how to split them, what CPU's to use and how much HD space (each user w= ill > get about 30 megs of email and 30 megs of web space). > I can set up all the services with my eyes closed but I have zero > experience with that big amount of traffic. > Please give me an advice guys, I really feel lost here :) > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > YazzY > >> Just about managing users,emails and quota's, >> >> a program like plesk would probably do it. I don't know a lot about it= , >> but it might be worth having a look at. >> >> >> Regards, >> Lachlan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Charles Hatvany Sen= t: >> Friday, August 29, 2003 12:13 AM >> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; freebsd@yazzy.org >> Subject: Re: Chosing a hosting server. >> >> >> Martin, >> >> DNS should allow you to split the mail from the web by pointing the MX >> and the A records to different places. Ditto for ftp, if that is set = up >> with a different URL (such as ftp.xxxx.com). So you could have 3 >> servers doing different services. The database could be on any of the >> servers as long as you can mount the filesystem on the other two. >> >> I'll let someone else answer the question about the tools - I would al= so >> be interested in that answer. >> >> Charles Hatvany >> >>>>> Martin Jessa 8/28/03 9:15:32 AM >>> >> Hi. >> >> I am planning setup of misc services for an Wireless ISP. >> They want to host mail and websites of their users. >> The server will run mail (imap, pop3), web and ftp services which will >> all authenticate users against the same sql database. >> They want to have about 5000+ customers. >> Each of the users will have granted 30 megs web space and about the sa= me >> for their emails. >> The problem is chosing a server that can handle all that. I could spli= t >> the services between different servers but I am not aware of an >> application that can allow me to do so. >> Any suggestions ? >> As I said I would also need some sort of tool to be able to easly hand= le >> things like adding new users with custom email and web quota, ability = to >> add new email addresses for one user, it should also be able to talk t= o >> a radius server which will authenticate connections with the same >> database as the mail server. >> It does not have to be an open source application. >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Cheers, >> YazzY >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Christopher Raven c.raven@uk.cian.net http://www.cian.net/ =A6 A PLESK Gold Partner IP transit, web registration, hosting, design & consultancy services From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 17:23:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A6D16A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host8.apollohosting.com (host8.apollohosting.com [209.239.33.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C253743FA3 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:23:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sales@nwpsw.com) Received: (from nwpsinc@localhost) by host8.apollohosting.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h830NfX2018303; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:23:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:23:41 -0400 From: sales@nwpsw.com Message-Id: <200309030023.h830NfX2018303@host8.apollohosting.com> X-Authentication-Warning: host8.apollohosting.com: nwpsinc set sender to sales@nwpsw.com using -f To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <200309030023.h830NZ4u018280@host8.apollohosting.com> In-Reply-To: <200309030023.h830NZ4u018280@host8.apollohosting.com> X-Loop: default@nwpsw.com Precedence: junk Subject: Re: Re: My details X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:23:43 -0000 Sorry, this email address does not exist. If you need to email us, please use the online form here: http://www.nwpsw.com/email.html From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 16:27:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D35316A4C2 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web4.cian-uk.net (binky.cian-uk.net [213.239.45.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9827843F85 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:27:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from c.raven@uk.cian.net) Received: (qmail 48815 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 23:27:04 -0000 Received: from pc1-runc2-6-cust89.bagu.cable.ntl.com (81.97.107.89) by polarbeartec.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 23:27:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:27:05 +0100 From: Christopher Raven To: Lachlan , freebsd@yazzy.org Message-ID: <9400266.1062548825@[10.0.0.3]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.0b6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:13:55 -0700 cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Chosing a hosting server. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:27:10 -0000 take a look at mikrotik.com for some good, off-the-shelf wireless=20 solutions... you can limit your clients at source using the client routers=20 (you can remotely control them). They can also act as proxies for network=20 services etc... the cost of these things is so low you would have to be=20 seriously tight on budget not to at least consider them. CR --On 03 September 2003 09:07 +1000 Lachlan wrote: > Well, > > You already seem to know enough i would say. Using DUMMYNET between your > 50 wireless nodes would control them enough for a start. With hardware > for your servers, it should be simple enough. Just don't purchase cheap > crap and you'll be fine. > > Regards, > Lachlan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Martin Jessa > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:03 AM > To: lachlan@fatpanda.net > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Chosing a hosting server. > > > I have about one day to build the network infrastructure. > I've been running services with misc purpose as long as I can remember = but > it's the first time when I have to plan a setup for 5000 users. > What I am most worried about is what kind of hardware to use. > I.e I am not sure if I can set up failover FreeBSD servers as the main > front routers for my network. The deal is I would get fiber optical cable > to my server room which will get hooked to a Cisco router. Then I have to > divide the network between about 50 wireless nodes, each with 50-90 mbit > link. > All the nodes have to talk to my server park with misc services like bw > limiting, mail,web,radius for user auth, live streaming etc. > Now, I have no idea how to hook the nodes together with the servers = behind > my routers so that the traffic doesn't get choked. > I would have to limit bw of the users on those front routers as well, = most > propably with DUMMYNET or ALTQ. > I also have to plan server(s) for web and email hosting. I have to = deceide > how to split them, what CPU's to use and how much HD space (each user = will > get about 30 megs of email and 30 megs of web space). > I can set up all the services with my eyes closed but I have zero > experience with that big amount of traffic. > Please give me an advice guys, I really feel lost here :) > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > YazzY > >> Just about managing users,emails and quota's, >> >> a program like plesk would probably do it. I don't know a lot about it, >> but it might be worth having a look at. >> >> >> Regards, >> Lachlan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Charles Hatvany Sent: >> Friday, August 29, 2003 12:13 AM >> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; freebsd@yazzy.org >> Subject: Re: Chosing a hosting server. >> >> >> Martin, >> >> DNS should allow you to split the mail from the web by pointing the MX >> and the A records to different places. Ditto for ftp, if that is set up >> with a different URL (such as ftp.xxxx.com). So you could have 3 >> servers doing different services. The database could be on any of the >> servers as long as you can mount the filesystem on the other two. >> >> I'll let someone else answer the question about the tools - I would also >> be interested in that answer. >> >> Charles Hatvany >> >>>>> Martin Jessa 8/28/03 9:15:32 AM >>> >> Hi. >> >> I am planning setup of misc services for an Wireless ISP. >> They want to host mail and websites of their users. >> The server will run mail (imap, pop3), web and ftp services which will >> all authenticate users against the same sql database. >> They want to have about 5000+ customers. >> Each of the users will have granted 30 megs web space and about the same >> for their emails. >> The problem is chosing a server that can handle all that. I could split >> the services between different servers but I am not aware of an >> application that can allow me to do so. >> Any suggestions ? >> As I said I would also need some sort of tool to be able to easly handle >> things like adding new users with custom email and web quota, ability to >> add new email addresses for one user, it should also be able to talk to >> a radius server which will authenticate connections with the same >> database as the mail server. >> It does not have to be an open source application. >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Cheers, >> YazzY >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Christopher Raven c.raven@uk.cian.net http://www.cian.net/ =A6 A PLESK Gold Partner IP transit, web registration, hosting, design & consultancy services From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 22:28:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE5516A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flash.mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua (flash.mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua [194.44.157.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AA943FBD for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:28:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from artem@mipk.kharkiv.edu) Received: from mipk.kharkiv.edu (rainbow.mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua [192.168.9.241]) h835QbgX044862 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:26:43 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from artem@mipk.kharkiv.edu) Message-ID: <3F557B8C.1010304@mipk.kharkiv.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:26:36 +0300 From: "Artyom V. Viklenko" Organization: IIAT NTU "KhPI" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: ru, uk, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <3F4DE2C1.10703@mipk.kharkiv.edu> <20030829193520.28D6243FEA@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030829193520.28D6243FEA@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: strange problem with ttyp0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:28:45 -0000 Vlad Galu wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:08:49 +0300 "Artyom V. Viklenko" > wrote: > > >>I have strange problem with one of my routers. >>OS FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE. The first telnet connection >>use ttyp1, second - ttyp2, etc. But never to ttyp0! >>The same effect with ssh. >> > Install lsof and issue a 'lsof | grep ttyp0' to see if any process uses it. Thanks! I find it. It is pppd daemon. I use it with "demand" option. Without it pppd does not use any pseudo-terminals. -- Sincerely yours, Artyom V. Viklenko. ====================================================== System Administrator artem@mipk.kharkiv.edu ------------------------------------------------------ IIAT NTU "KhPI" 21, Frunze Str., Kharkov Ukraine 61002 Phone: +380 (572) 400026 Fax: +380 (572) 474062 ====================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 14:47:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7022616A4BF for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diaspar.rdsnet.ro (diaspar.rdsnet.ro [81.196.201.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACC443FE1 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:47:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Vlad.Galu@rdsnet.ro) Received: (qmail 24561 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2003 20:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO diaspar.rdsnet.ro) (81.196.201.65) by 0 with SMTP; 2 Sep 2003 20:47:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:47:24 +0300 From: Vlad Galu To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200309022005.14753.ajacoutot@lphp.org> References: <200309022005.14753.ajacoutot@lphp.org> Organization: Romania Data Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030903214727.DACC443FE1@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: need advice on routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:47:29 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:05:08 +0200 Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi ! > > I have a question not FreeBSD specific, but since I'm going to use FreeBSD to > achieve what I need, I wanted your advice. > I just arrived in a new company and their network has 2 xDSL connexions to the > > Net. > I was wondering what would be the best setup using FreeBSD as a gateway: > - - should I make FreeBSD use the 2 connections as the same time (to have > twice the bandwidth), with bandwidth management for important services we host > - - or should I install 2 FreeBSD gateways, one for each connection (lan <--> > net; public_ip_pool <--> net) and make them communicate within a local LAN > (separate from the main one). I need the main lan to be able to communicate > with the public_ip_pool. > - - or something else ... ? > > If I had only one connection, I would build a LAN+DMZ+gateway, but I never > really worked with 2 connections. > If you have any advice concerning this, working under FreeBSD of course, > please let me know. > See Alex Popa's article on policy routing, on bsdnews.org. > Best regards. > > - -- > Antoine Jacoutot > ajacoutot@lphp.org > http://www.lphp.org > PGP/GnuPG key: http://www.lphp.org/ressources/ajacoutot.asc > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) > > iD8DBQE/VNvaY3Hnhkr+5cQRAqvTAJ9YN3GzWfGgFvHtvQiYWfCqG+71zgCdGb3F > l1o7ilJEY5QoU+Xs00DG1vk= > =cL/h > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > - ------ Vlad Galu Network & Systems Administrator Romania Data Systems NOC in Bucharest Phone: +40 21 30 10 850 Web: http://www.rdsnet.ro PGP: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x53ABCE97 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. 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In such a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/VQHcP5WtpVOrzpcRAmD5AJ9Gn+MHHh+GksVk87x2eSFcd764cwCgijzV fZ6c2bKsLZj1GNHJ9+Drnag= =YEH2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 15:15:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742EC16A4C1 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from morpheus.mind.net (morpheus.mind.net [69.9.130.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15DE43FDF for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfox@morpheus.mind.net) Received: from morpheus.mind.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morpheus.mind.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h83MF77m069441 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:15:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfox@morpheus.mind.net) Received: (from jfox@localhost) by morpheus.mind.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h83MF69l069440 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:15:06 -0700 From: John Fox To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030903221506.GM63060@mind.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Quip: Fly the white flag of war! Subject: livingston radius problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:15:07 -0000 I'm trying to add a dictionary file to my Livingston RADIUS setup, and though everything looks right to me, my attempts are failing. I am hoping that someone here can point me to a good mailing list wherein livingston radius is discussed, so that I can describe my problem in full for any helpful experts. Any list suggestions would be appropriate, and I hope this isn't (too) off-topic. Thank you, John -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | John Fox | System Administrator | InfoStructure | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "The people and friends that we have lost, the dreams that have faded... | | never forget them." -- Yuna, Final Fantasy X | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 15:30:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6928B16A4C0 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gray.impulse.net (gray.impulse.net [207.154.64.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9479943FE9 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from secabeen@pobox.com) Received: by gray.impulse.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2E581D2; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:30:25 -0700 (PDT) To: John Fox References: <20030903221506.GM63060@mind.net> From: Ted Cabeen Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:30:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030903221506.GM63060@mind.net> (John Fox's message of "Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:15:06 -0700") Message-ID: <87y8x55wu6.fsf@gray.impulse.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1001 (Gnus v5.10.1) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: livingston radius problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:30:27 -0000 John Fox writes: > I'm trying to add a dictionary file to my Livingston RADIUS setup, and > though everything looks right to me, my attempts are failing. Don't use Livingston RADIUS. Switch to cistron-radiusd, or if you want bleeding edge, FreeRADIUS. cistron is almost identical to Livingston, but it's supported and works well. > I am hoping that someone here can point me to a good mailing list wherein > livingston radius is discussed, so that I can describe my problem in full > for any helpful experts. There aren't many Livingston installations left anymore. -- Ted Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen ted@impulse.net Check Website or Keyserver for PGP/GPG Key BA0349D2 secabeen@pobox.com "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon secabeen@cabeen.org "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot cabeen@netcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 20:17:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354EB16A4BF for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from taka.swcp.com (taka.swcp.com [198.59.115.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E3243FDD for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deichert@wrench.com) Received: from shimi.swcp.com (shimi.swcp.com [198.59.115.14]) by taka.swcp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h843H4QF076854 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (deichert@localhost) by shimi.swcp.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA05346 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:17:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shimi.swcp.com: deichert owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:17:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@shimi.swcp.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <87y8x55wu6.fsf@gray.impulse.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=10.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.54 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.54 (1.174.2.17-2003-05-11-exp) Subject: Re: livingston radius problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 03:17:08 -0000 John Fox writes: > > I'm trying to add a dictionary file to my Livingston RADIUS setup, and > though everything looks right to me, my attempts are failing. > > I am hoping that someone here can point me to a good mailing list wherein > livingston radius is discussed, so that I can describe my problem in full > for any helpful experts. I support both XT-RADIUS, a derivative of Cistron RADIUS, and Open System Consultant's http://www.open.com.au/radiator/, Radiator RADIUS server. You can relatively easily extend either, I recommend Radiator for people who like having a vendor to fall back on for support. g.day From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 00:44:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9799F16A4BF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yazzy.wrs.no (mail.wrs.no [213.236.173.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5A343FD7 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:44:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@yazzy.org) Received: from h311r4iz3r.wrs (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yazzy.wrs.no (Postfix) with SMTP id 09C144578 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:44:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:44:28 +0200 From: Martin Jessa To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030904094428.650404be.freebsd@yazzy.org> Organization: ezUnix.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Hardware Raid X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:44:35 -0000 Hi guys. I have to set up two servers, one with email and one with web services. For that I need a reliable storage solution. I was wondering what RAID controllers would work well with FreeBSD in RAID 5 mode. Thanks in advance, YazzY From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 06:11:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE9616A4BF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 06:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yazzy.wrs.no (mail.wrs.no [213.236.173.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E920B43FE5 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 06:11:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@yazzy.org) Received: from h311r4iz3r.wrs (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yazzy.wrs.no (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FF0E45B5 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:11:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:11:31 +0200 From: Martin Jessa To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030904151131.6a2d3f19.freebsd@yazzy.org> Organization: ezUnix.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NFS and Server resources. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:11:38 -0000 Hi guys. I need some hints to figure out how much RAM and how fast CPU(s) would be required to serve NFS mounted file system on a RAID 5 array for 2 servers running: 1. mail(pop3/imap) and MySQL with user data. 2. web server (apache+mod_php,mod_perl) and radius server for about 3000 users? The users will also be able to ftp to the file server and upload/download their files. The link speed is 100mbit. Thanks, YazzY From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 09:53:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3810316A4F4 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emerald.incredible.com.na (NSP.inc.net.na [196.44.138.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9143143FF9 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:53:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schalk@home.incredible.com.na) Received: from [10.222.101.2] (helo=Fujitsu) by emerald.incredible.com.na with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uxLq-000ABW-00; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:52:55 +0100 From: "Schalk Erasmus" To: "Martin Jessa" , Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:53:08 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030904094428.650404be.freebsd@yazzy.org> Subject: RE: Hardware Raid X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:53:16 -0000 Adaptec is your best bet. But Perc should be fine as well. We only use Adaptec on our Servers. Both IDE and SCSI is good! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Martin Jessa Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:44 AM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Hardware Raid Hi guys. I have to set up two servers, one with email and one with web services. For that I need a reliable storage solution. I was wondering what RAID controllers would work well with FreeBSD in RAID 5 mode. Thanks in advance, YazzY _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 10:18:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617E916A4BF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yazzy.wrs.no (mail.wrs.no [213.236.173.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A756843FBD for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:18:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@yazzy.org) Received: from h311r4iz3r.wrs (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yazzy.wrs.no (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DCB745A2; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:18:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:18:41 +0200 From: Martin Jessa To: "Schalk Erasmus" Message-Id: <20030904191841.0a10f169.freebsd@yazzy.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20030904094428.650404be.freebsd@yazzy.org> Organization: ezUnix.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hardware Raid X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:18:50 -0000 Hi Which Adaptec models do you use with RAID 5/0 ? On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:53:08 +0200 "Schalk Erasmus" wrote: > Adaptec is your best bet. > > But Perc should be fine as well. > > We only use Adaptec on our Servers. Both IDE and SCSI is good! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Martin Jessa > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:44 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Hardware Raid > > > > Hi guys. > > I have to set up two servers, one with email and one with web services. > For that I need a reliable storage solution. > I was wondering what RAID controllers would work well with FreeBSD in RAID 5 > mode. > > Thanks in advance, > YazzY > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 10:29:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B7316A4BF for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emerald.incredible.com.na (NSP.inc.net.na [196.44.138.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA5C43FE5 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:29:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schalk@home.incredible.com.na) Received: from [10.222.101.2] (helo=Fujitsu) by emerald.incredible.com.na with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19uxuv-000AHA-00; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:29:09 +0100 From: "Schalk Erasmus" To: "Martin Jessa" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:29:25 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030904191841.0a10f169.freebsd@yazzy.org> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Hardware Raid X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:29:30 -0000 Adaptec 2400A for IDE RAID http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/techspecs.html?sess=no&language=Eng lish+US&prodkey=AAR-2400A&cat=%2fProduct%2fAAR-2400A#suppOS and Adaptec 2100S for SCSI RAID Check: http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/techspecs.html?sess=no&language=Eng lish+US&prodkey=ASR-2100S&cat=%2fProduct%2fASR-2100S#suppOS Works beautifully. :) Regards Schalk Erasmus Progressive Systems http://www.prosys.com.na -----Original Message----- From: Martin Jessa [mailto:freebsd@yazzy.org] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:19 PM To: Schalk Erasmus Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hardware Raid Hi Which Adaptec models do you use with RAID 5/0 ? On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:53:08 +0200 "Schalk Erasmus" wrote: > Adaptec is your best bet. > > But Perc should be fine as well. > > We only use Adaptec on our Servers. Both IDE and SCSI is good! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Martin Jessa > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:44 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Hardware Raid > > > > Hi guys. > > I have to set up two servers, one with email and one with web services. > For that I need a reliable storage solution. > I was wondering what RAID controllers would work well with FreeBSD in RAID 5 > mode. > > Thanks in advance, > YazzY > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 06:18:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FA816A4BF for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from insourcery.net (ns1.insourcery.net [198.93.171.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C1A43FD7 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:17:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 80) by insourcery.net with local; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 06:17:57 -0700 Received: from customer-200-79-7-2.uninet.net.mxmail.encontacto.net (Horde) with HTTP for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:17:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1062767877.8cbd42c952096@mail.encontacto.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:17:57 -0700 From: Edwin Culp To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <200309022005.14753.ajacoutot@lphp.org> <20030903214727.DACC443FE1@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030903214727.DACC443FE1@mx1.FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs X-Originating-IP: 200.79.7.2 Subject: Re: need advice on routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:18:01 -0000 Mensaje citado por Vlad Galu : | See Alex Popa's article on policy routing, on bsdnews.org. | I've been trying bsdnews.org for the last couple of days with no luck. I hope they will be up again soon but in the meantime I would sure appreciate a alternate link or a copy of the article. ( an email attachment would be fine if you have it. ) Thanks, ed http://bsdnews.org/0101/policy_routing.php -------------------------------------------------