From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 04:06:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6965C16A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mutare.noc.clara.net (mutare.noc.clara.net [195.8.70.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572B143D4C for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:06:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ollie@mutare.noc.clara.net) Received: from ollie by mutare.noc.clara.net with local (Exim 4.24) id 1AY2ME-0001m7-Cs for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:06:50 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:06:50 +0000 From: Ollie Cook To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031221120650.GB4588@mutare.noc.clara.net> References: <20031219165302.GA51410@ns2.wananchi.com> <20031219190055.GD85955@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031219190055.GD85955@alexis.mi.celestial.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE i386 X-NCC-RegID: uk.claranet Sender: Ollie Cook X-Envelope-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Managing Maildirs X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:06:52 -0000 On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 11:00:55AM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: > Number one above will do the trick and is far more efficient than using the > ``find ...-exec'', although you might want to modify it to only nuke mail > over a certain age. To nuke all trash over 30 days old: > > find /home/*/Maildir/.Trash -type f -mtime +30 | xargs rm Using '-delete' rather than 'find ... | xargs rm' should be more efficient still: find /home/*/Maildir/.Trash -type f -mtime +30 -delete Ol. -- Oliver Cook Systems Administrator, Claranet UK ollie@uk.clara.net 020 7903 3065 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 12:58:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B42C16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com (dagney.celestial.com [192.136.111.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B7B43D53 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:58:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 3641111E8A7; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:58:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:58:22 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031221205822.GB2951@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20031219165302.GA51410@ns2.wananchi.com> <20031219190055.GD85955@alexis.mi.celestial.com> <20031221120650.GB4588@mutare.noc.clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031221120650.GB4588@mutare.noc.clara.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Managing Maildirs X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:58:24 -0000 On Sun, Dec 21, 2003, Ollie Cook wrote: >On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 11:00:55AM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: >> Number one above will do the trick and is far more efficient than using the >> ``find ...-exec'', although you might want to modify it to only nuke mail >> over a certain age. To nuke all trash over 30 days old: >> >> find /home/*/Maildir/.Trash -type f -mtime +30 | xargs rm > >Using '-delete' rather than 'find ... | xargs rm' should be more efficient >still: > > find /home/*/Maildir/.Trash -type f -mtime +30 -delete Hmmm. That would be nice, but it seems to be BSD-centric. I don't see the ``-delete'' option in any version of find I have around, certainly not in the find from gnu: gfind . -name xxxxyyyyzzz -delete gfind: invalid predicate `-delete' I find using options like this leads to portability problems. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?'' -- Patrick Henry June 9, 1788, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 14:28:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E3316A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from Shenton.org (23.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E4B243D5A for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:28:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@Shenton.Org) Received: (qmail 83255 invoked by uid 1001); 21 Dec 2003 22:28:20 -0000 To: Mike Tancsa References: <6.0.1.1.0.20031220185608.075ba008@209.112.4.2> From: Chris Shenton Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:28:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20031220185608.075ba008@209.112.4.2> (Mike Tancsa's message of "Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:06:55 -0500") Message-ID: <868yl57qm3.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large pop3 servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:28:25 -0000 Mike Tancsa writes: > As our pop3 requirements grow I want to try and remove as many single > points of failure as possible as well as scale the system as needed. > Is there anything like > http://www.remote.org/jochen/mail/popular/ > being used on FreeBSD ? Does anyone have any pointers on building > large scale load balanced pop3 systems ? I prototyped on FreeBSD but my client's policies dictated a Solaris deployment. :-( I used qmail + qmail-ldap, and use qmail's pop3d for POP and POPS; I also offer courier-imap for IMAP and IMAPS. I have 5 1U servers behind a pair of load balancers; one is the LDAP master, the other are LDAP replicas which also run the MTA, POP and IMAP servers. They all store mail on a backend NFS server (NetApp). (The POPular proxying thing seems like qmail-ldap's notion of clustering which routes mail and users to their respective storage servers. I believe shared storage is more simple and doesn't cripple a chunk of your users if one of the POPular storage servers goes down) The thing that makes the shared storage possible is Maildir storage rather than monolithic mbox-style files; it also greatly improves performance. On the system we're replacing (with qpopper), the disks are constantly thrashing when users check for mail (scan entire file looking for new stuff), while Maildir makes it a simple dir scan. Even worse is when a user deletes a msg from an mbox, requiring copying then copying back sans the target message. Before deciding to go with an entire new system, I did a test using the existing sendmail delivering via Maildrop into Maildirs, then used qmail's pop3d to offer mail to users from the Maildirs. It was much much faster than the mbox. So you could go this route even if you're not a inclined to use qmail. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 01:09:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1DC16A4CE; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail012.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail012.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE31A43D46; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:09:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anubis357@optusnet.com.au) Received: from 10.0.0.101 (rdlax11-b222.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.40.222])hBM99No24072; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:09:24 +1100 From: anubis To: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" , , Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:15:36 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <200312181951.hBIJpTjS031140@smtp.doruk.net.tr> In-Reply-To: <200312181951.hBIJpTjS031140@smtp.doruk.net.tr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312221915.36699.anubis357@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: Anybody Use 2 or More CPU at Production Env. ( SMP ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:09:35 -0000 On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:32 am, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: > Hi Everybody , > > > I watching freebsd-stable list I saw that somebody have a problem > with SMP support which they are using 4.9 . I know that some improvement > are coming with 5.x .... But this problem are very important for example > somebody when enable SMP support system start to reset itself or under high > load crashed ?!!!!! > > I wonder Does anybody use SMP Support without Problem . Because SMP > is very important things ... > > I wonder too What about HyperThreading ?! > > > Second How can I learn What is 1:1 and M:N thread libraries ? ! How > it's work ?! How SMP work on FreeBSD ?! > > > Because I'm using Redhat for a long time and I don't have any > problem with it of course under high load ... > > > Thanks > Vahric MUHTARYAN > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" The problem with looking at mailing lists is that you only hear about problems. The thousands of happy BSDers with working hardware dont post to these lists saying every thing is working ok so you get a biased view. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 01:26:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0BD16A4CF for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.doruk.net.tr (smtp.doruk.net.tr [212.58.5.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583BD43D48 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:25:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vahric@doruk.net.tr) Received: from VAHOXP (vahric.doruk.net.tr [212.58.13.17]) by smtp.doruk.net.tr (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBM9iN0m031073; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:44:23 +0200 Message-Id: <200312220944.hBM9iN0m031073@smtp.doruk.net.tr> From: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" To: "'anubis'" Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:24:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200312221915.36699.anubis357@optusnet.com.au> Thread-Index: AcPIa92E39Xtvar6QHyOT1oBH8g+hgAAFbtw cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Anybody Use 2 or More CPU at Production Env. ( SMP ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:26:01 -0000 I think you mis understand something . I don't have any biased view about FreeBSD and I like it if you watching the list you can see my mail about FreeBSD Feature question ... if you read it you can understand How I biased view or not but not in only mailing list I get some information that not sounds good . I have to ask it I'm a new FreeBSD user I don't want something to goes wrong if I start to use it ... Vahric -----Original Message----- From: anubis [mailto:anubis357@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:16 AM To: Vahric MUHTARYAN; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody Use 2 or More CPU at Production Env. ( SMP ) On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:32 am, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: > Hi Everybody , > > > I watching freebsd-stable list I saw that somebody have a problem > with SMP support which they are using 4.9 . I know that some improvement > are coming with 5.x .... But this problem are very important for example > somebody when enable SMP support system start to reset itself or under high > load crashed ?!!!!! > > I wonder Does anybody use SMP Support without Problem . Because SMP > is very important things ... > > I wonder too What about HyperThreading ?! > > > Second How can I learn What is 1:1 and M:N thread libraries ? ! How > it's work ?! How SMP work on FreeBSD ?! > > > Because I'm using Redhat for a long time and I don't have any > problem with it of course under high load ... > > > Thanks > Vahric MUHTARYAN > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" The problem with looking at mailing lists is that you only hear about problems. The thousands of happy BSDers with working hardware dont post to these lists saying every thing is working ok so you get a biased view. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 02:55:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E4316A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mutare.noc.clara.net (mutare.noc.clara.net [195.8.70.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FCF43D53 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:55:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ollie@mutare.noc.clara.net) Received: from ollie by mutare.noc.clara.net with local (Exim 4.24) id 1AYNir-000HHJ-Jt; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:55:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:55:37 +0000 From: Ollie Cook To: Bill Campbell Message-ID: <20031222105537.GI22954@mutare.noc.clara.net> References: <20031219165302.GA51410@ns2.wananchi.com> <20031219190055.GD85955@alexis.mi.celestial.com> <20031221120650.GB4588@mutare.noc.clara.net> <20031221205822.GB2951@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031221205822.GB2951@alexis.mi.celestial.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE i386 X-NCC-RegID: uk.claranet Sender: Ollie Cook cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Managing Maildirs X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:55:40 -0000 On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 12:58:22PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: > >Using '-delete' rather than 'find ... | xargs rm' should be more efficient > >still: > > > > find /home/*/Maildir/.Trash -type f -mtime +30 -delete > > Hmmm. That would be nice, but it seems to be BSD-centric. I don't see the > ``-delete'' option in any version of find I have around, certainly not in > the find from gnu: > gfind . -name xxxxyyyyzzz -delete > gfind: invalid predicate `-delete' Well, forgive me, but this is a FreeBSD-centric mailing list. :) Ol. -- Oliver Cook Systems Administrator, Claranet UK ollie@uk.clara.net 020 7903 3065 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 06:52:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3960216A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com (dagney.celestial.com [192.136.111.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F9743D41 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:52:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id E69F211E8B6; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:52:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:52:46 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: Bill Campbell , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031222145246.GA56240@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: Bill Campbell , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20031219165302.GA51410@ns2.wananchi.com> <20031219190055.GD85955@alexis.mi.celestial.com> <20031221120650.GB4588@mutare.noc.clara.net> <20031221205822.GB2951@alexis.mi.celestial.com> <20031222105537.GI22954@mutare.noc.clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031222105537.GI22954@mutare.noc.clara.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Managing Maildirs X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:52:48 -0000 On Mon, Dec 22, 2003, Ollie Cook wrote: >On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 12:58:22PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: >> >Using '-delete' rather than 'find ... | xargs rm' should be more efficient >> >still: >> > >> > find /home/*/Maildir/.Trash -type f -mtime +30 -delete >> >> Hmmm. That would be nice, but it seems to be BSD-centric. I don't see the >> ``-delete'' option in any version of find I have around, certainly not in >> the find from gnu: >> gfind . -name xxxxyyyyzzz -delete >> gfind: invalid predicate `-delete' > >Well, forgive me, but this is a FreeBSD-centric mailing list. :) That's true, but I learned a long time ago to avoid ``features'' specific to any vendor as using them only causes me grief on other systems. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When the customer has beaten upon you long enough, give him what he asks for, instead of what he needs. This is very strong medicine, and is normally only required once. -- The Consultant's Curse: From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 10:07:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E7916A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from manor.msen.com (manor.msen.com [148.59.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEAC43D31 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:07:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wayne@staff.msen.com) Received: from manor.msen.com (wayne@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manor.msen.com (8.12.7M/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hBMI7TwG006774 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:07:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312221807.hBMI7TwG006774@manor.msen.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:07:29 -0500 From: "Michael R. Wayne" Subject: A headsup re Verizon Wireless paging X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:07:31 -0000 Summary: If you use Verizon Wireless pagers (pagers with an @myairmail.com email address) to monitor your network, your alerts may be blocked without notice. The saga: We use multiple paging companies for our pagers, under the theory that redundancy is a "good thing". Last week, our people who carry pagers from Verizon Wireless realized that they were not getting pages from our Netsaint monitoring system, although they were getting other pages and people carrying pagers from other paging companies were getting Netsaint pages. After a bit of testing, we discovered that email to pagers from netsaint@ was not getting through but email to pagers from any other username on that machine seemed to go through fine. So one of my people contacted their tech support Friday morning. After 7.5 hours of being told: 1) The problem is that you are not running a web server on that machine. (Actually we are but it's firewalled and why should they care?) 2) The problem is that DNS is broken for that address. (It's not, plus why do pages for other users go through?) 3) The problem is that our server is not actually sending the messages to Verizon wireless (we sent them the sendmail logs to prove that the messages were accepted). 4) The problem must be something else at our end. 5) The problem is that you are using email to deliver the page, can't you use a modem? 6) Assorted other excuses which we neglected to note. someone FINALLY admitted that pages from the netsaint address were being filtered. The guy who eventually admitted this basically told the gal who had been working on this all day: "We did this to protect our network, no, you cannot speak to anyone else about it, we may just leave it in forever and we're not going to do anything about it." And hung up on her. He must have been pretty rude (which I why I omit his name) because after dealing with this all day she was frustrated to the point that she was in tears. So, I sent her home and picked up the fight. I eventually, reached the same person who admitted that they were filtering email from that address because of a problem with one customer earlier in the month so they discarded messages to ALL customers if the address contained netsaint. His stand: - Verizon Wireless did this to protect their network. - They occasionally install such filters for an indeterminate amount of time. - No notice is given to customers of such a filter. When I asked about it he seemed to feel that there was no way to inform customers. I figure it would take about an hour to develop a script with a simple database of pager destinations that paged once to inform customers that a word was suppressed. - No notice is given to their tech support people that such a filter has been put in place. - No notice is given to their resellers, so if a customer calls to inquire, the reseller has no clue that it's going on. - There is no clear process for a customer to determine that such a filter has been installed. - He had to obtain permission from "the field" as to whether or not the block could be removed. - He pretty much ignored my question as to why they blocked all customers rather than just the one in question. But he promised to contact me before leaving for the day. I started hacking a filter to simply substitute another address for netsaint and, in the process, discovered that what was actually going on was that any page that contains the word netsaint anywhere in the header or in the message was being discared without notice. I did get a call back as promised. I mentioned that they were not filtering on address but the entire messaged and got an: "Oh, I knew that" (would have been nice of him to TELL me). He claimed that the block would be removed either later Friday night, Saturday morning at the latest. Pages were still being blocked Friday night and Saturday morning but a test page sent this morning worked OK. /\/\ \/\/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 08:55:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F97016A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlasta.net (wow.atlasta.net [12.129.13.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 741EA43D41 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:55:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drais@wow.atlasta.net) Received: (qmail 20622 invoked by uid 1068); 23 Dec 2003 16:55:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 16:55:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:55:32 -0800 (PST) From: David Raistrick To: Francisco Javier Fabra Caro In-Reply-To: <1071956946.560.20.camel@localhost> Message-ID: References: <1071956946.560.20.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Freebsd isp isp Subject: Re: ssh and keys X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:55:35 -0000 > I'm trying to backup a server over ssh, but I don't want to type the > passphrase. I've been making the *interchange* of keys between the both > machines, but this doesn't seem to work. I'm using a FreeBSD machine > (updated sshd) and a RedHat 9 machine (updated sshd). Did you get this resolved? You may want to verify that you're using the same version and type of key. ie: ssh1/rsa ssh2/rsa or ssh2/dsa. Different defaults are used on different versions of freebsd, and I've no idea what might be used in Redhat. man ssh-keygen for more, but the essence is in the FILES section: $HOME/.ssh/identity protocol version 1 RSA authentication identity $HOME/.ssh/identity.pub protocol version 1 RSA public key $HOME/.ssh/id_dsa protocol version 2 DSA authentication $HOME/.ssh/id_dsa.pub protocol version 2 DSA public key $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa protocol version 2 RSA authentication $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub protocol version 2 RSA public key --- david raistrick drais@atlasta.net http://www.expita.com/nomime.html From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 05:56:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C4616A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 05:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from netlx010.civ.utwente.nl (netlx010.civ.utwente.nl [130.89.1.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAEC43D1D for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 05:56:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@monkey-online.net) Received: from EricV.monkey-online.net (ericv.adsl.utwente.nl [130.89.226.252])hBRDtuS04366 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:55:56 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031227145502.04cb1c80@mail.monkey-online.net> X-Sender: eric@mail.monkey-online.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:55:51 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Eric Veraart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact helpdesk@ITBE.utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: PSA 1.13 Linux -> PSA 6 FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:56:48 -0000 A client of mine is running Plesk 1.13 (actually Slash, but it's the same thing) on TurboLinux (Linux version 2.2.14-3). I've set up a new server running FreeBSD and Plesk 6. I noticed that all the account information (including passwords) are in the DB of Plesk 1.13. I don't have to copy all the website content etc but just the accounts, passwords, domains etc. I was wondering about the best strategy. Uptil now I figured the best way was: - Install a temporary server with Linux - copy psa 1.13 and passwd/group files to it, - update to psa 5.0 - update to psa 6 - use the backup util and place the backup on the FreeBSD server The worst way of copying is filling in the new server by hand. I was wondering, if all the information I need is in the database. Isn't it possible to just place the db on the new server, and let PSA 5 update the database and create all the sysusers? I have already found MySQL commands in the etc dir of PSA 6, to update the 1.13 db to psa 2 -> 5 -> 6 which worked flawlessly. The problem however is that the sysusers won't be created. I'm not so into the way PSA handles the database info for creating system files. I already informed about the costs for SW-Soft of doing the transfer, but they couldn't tell how long it would take and thus how much it would cost, so that's not an option. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 10:07:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D741C16A4CF for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from usw2.natel.net (2b.bz [209.152.117.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F2CDC43D39 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:07:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from WD@US-Webmasters.com) Received: (qmail 83092 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 18:07:54 -0000 Received: from batv-01-021.dialup.netins.net (HELO xyz.US-Webmasters.com) (216.248.109.22) by us-webmasters.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 18:07:54 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20031227115533.05e22070@209.152.117.178> X-Sender: wd@209.152.117.178 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:07:18 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "W. D." In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20031227145502.04cb1c80@mail.monkey-online.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: Eric Veraart Subject: Re: PSA 1.13 Linux -> PSA 6 FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:08:00 -0000 Hi Eric, At 07:55 12/27/2003, Eric Veraart, wrote: >A client of mine is running Plesk 1.13 (actually Slash, but it's the same= =20 >thing) on TurboLinux (Linux version 2.2.14-3). I've set up a new server=20 >running FreeBSD and Plesk 6. >I noticed that all the account information (including passwords) are in the= =20 >DB of Plesk 1.13. I don't have to copy all the website content etc but just= =20 >the accounts, passwords, domains etc. You may have better luck finding your answers here: http://forum.Plesk.com/ Hmmm. You've already posted: http://forum.Plesk.com/showthread.php?s=3D8c77c0a8517708eebf4c96be41ce9b97&t= hreadid=3D11632 > >I was wondering about the best strategy. Up 'til now I figured the best way= was: >- Install a temporary server with Linux >- copy psa 1.13 and passwd/group files to it, >- update to psa 5.0 >- update to psa 6 >- use the backup util and place the backup on the FreeBSD server This sounds like a good plan. How many accounts, etc.? >The worst way of copying is filling in the new server by hand. I was=20 >wondering, if all the information I need is in the database. Isn't it=20 >possible to just place the db on the new server, and let PSA 5 update the= =20 >database and create all the sysusers?=20 >I have already found MySQL commands=20 >in the etc dir of PSA 6, to update the 1.13 db to psa 2 -> 5 -> 6 which=20 >worked flawlessly. The problem however is that the sysusers won't be= created. Here's some stuff about the Plesk Backup Utilites: http://tinyurl.com/yv8xo >I'm not so into the way PSA handles the database info for creating system= =20 >files. I already informed about the costs for SW-Soft of doing the=20 >transfer, but they couldn't tell how long it would take and thus how much= =20 >it would cost, so that's not an option. They did a 2.5 -> 5 upgrade for me. It was fast and efficient. Done from Russia. Sorry, I couldn't be more help. You may find more useful answers on the Plesk forum on Monday. Please let us know how it went for you. Start Here to Find It Fast!=99 -> http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-pa= ge/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 10:39:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CB216A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from netlx014.civ.utwente.nl (netlx014.civ.utwente.nl [130.89.1.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A2243D39 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:39:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@monkey-online.net) Received: from EricV.monkey-online.net (ericv.adsl.utwente.nl [130.89.226.252])hBRIcZQ26710; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:38:35 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031227193820.04cb1c80@mail.monkey-online.net> X-Sender: eric@mail.monkey-online.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:39:03 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Eric Veraart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact helpdesk@ITBE.utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean cc: "W. D." Subject: Re: PSA 1.13 Linux -> PSA 6 FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:39:50 -0000 > >I was wondering about the best strategy. Up 'til now I figured the best > way was: > >- Install a temporary server with Linux > >- copy psa 1.13 and passwd/group files to it, > >- update to psa 5.0 > >- update to psa 6 > >- use the backup util and place the backup on the FreeBSD server > >This sounds like a good plan. How many accounts, etc.? 84 clients, 286 domains, 142 hosting accounts and 413 e-mail accounts. > >I have already found MySQL commands > >in the etc dir of PSA 6, to update the 1.13 db to psa 2 -> 5 -> 6 which > >worked flawlessly. The problem however is that the sysusers won't be > created. > >Here's some stuff about the Plesk Backup Utilites: >http://tinyurl.com/yv8xo I've already read those, but the backup utilities don't seem to support a MySQL dump only restore mode or something. They expect a dump made by psadump, which includes a whole lot of other stuff. > >I'm not so into the way PSA handles the database info for creating system > >files. I already informed about the costs for SW-Soft of doing the > >transfer, but they couldn't tell how long it would take and thus how much > >it would cost, so that's not an option. > >They did a 2.5 -> 5 upgrade for me. It was fast and efficient. Done >from Russia. They said they could do it, but what I don't like is that they couldn't give a quote. If it's to expensive I could as well hire cheap labour to fill in the new server by hand... >Sorry, I couldn't be more help. You may find more useful answers on >the Plesk forum on Monday. > >Please let us know how it went for you. Thanks anyway, it's a shame that no one seems to know how Plesks handles the MySQL backend.