From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 27 00:10:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477B837B404; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.228.215.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D996743FCB; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2FCAEAE57B; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030427071001.2FCAEAE57B@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-04-06 - 2003-04-26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:10:04 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 11-Apr : Using foo+bar@ email addresses with Postfix and procmail This is easy to do, but hard to find the info http://freebsddiary.org/procmail-foo+bar-addresses.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 27 13:07:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CF837B401 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 982C843F3F for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolfryder@qwest.net) Received: (qmail 92117 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 2003 20:07:38 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-04.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.4) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 27 Apr 2003 20:07:38 -0000 Received: from adsl189.omah.uswest.net (HELO wolf.qwest.net) (209.180.104.189) by mpls-pop-04.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 20:07:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:13:50 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030427150707.00ab6700@pop.omah.uswest.net> From: "WolfRyder" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Sender: wolfryder@pop.omah.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: dual-boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:07:39 -0000 I was able to successfully install FreeBSD 4.8 on my laptop (Presario 1600) last night. Unfortunately, my Win98 isn't happy sharing, even though I gave it most of the disk space on the 30 gig hard drive. lol! I have to learn how to be quicker in making the windows bootup screen not show up (it covers the selection of dos/bsd.) I got totally frustrated last night and ended up turning off the darned thing when I rebooted about 6 times and it still insisted on booting into windows. The first few reboots weren't any trouble (initializing the wireless network card took a few attempts and I still haven't gotten it right. Got a number/letter wrong somewhere, I'm sure) but after about the 4th try, it just starting booting into windows even when I pressed the F2 key. I'll mess with it tonight, figure out what's going one ;) carol From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 27 14:23:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8486D37B401 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wdm.pl (wdm.pl [80.244.136.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 46F2843FA3 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavroche@wdm.pl) Received: (qmail 65696 invoked by uid 1121); 27 Apr 2003 21:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gavroche.biz) (gavroche@80.244.136.34) by 0 with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 21:32:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:21:41 +0200 From: Dominik =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=AFy=B3a?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030427232141.2a417307.gavroche@wdm.pl> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030427150707.00ab6700@pop.omah.uswest.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030427150707.00ab6700@pop.omah.uswest.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: dual-boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:23:01 -0000 On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:13:50 -0500 "WolfRyder" wrote: > I was able to successfully install FreeBSD 4.8 on my laptop (Presario 1600) > last night. Unfortunately, my Win98 isn't happy sharing, even though I gave > it most of the disk space on the 30 gig hard drive. > > lol! I have to learn how to be quicker in making the windows bootup screen > not show up (it covers the selection of dos/bsd.) I got totally frustrated > last night and ended up turning off the darned thing when I rebooted about > 6 times and it still insisted on booting into windows. The first few > reboots weren't any trouble (initializing the wireless network card took a > few attempts and I still haven't gotten it right. Got a number/letter wrong > somewhere, I'm sure) but after about the 4th try, it just starting booting > into windows even when I pressed the F2 key. > > I'll mess with it tonight, figure out what's going one ;) > > carol > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Try to use os-bs boot loader. It's in tools directory on your FreeBSD CD. It could work. Greadings. gavroche. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 27 14:28:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD12337B401 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wdm.pl (wdm.pl [80.244.136.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 869DF43FBF for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavroche@wdm.pl) Received: (qmail 66123 invoked by uid 1121); 27 Apr 2003 21:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gavroche.biz) (gavroche@80.244.136.34) by 0 with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 21:39:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:28:24 +0200 From: Dominik =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=AFy=B3a?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030427232824.6effbecc.gavroche@wdm.pl> In-Reply-To: <20030427232141.2a417307.gavroche@wdm.pl> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030427150707.00ab6700@pop.omah.uswest.net> <20030427232141.2a417307.gavroche@wdm.pl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: dual-boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:28:59 -0000 On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:21:41 +0200 Dominik =AFy=B3a wrote: > Greadings. gavroche. Greetings i meen (=3D From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 01:09:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9655737B401 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f86.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A9A43FB1 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:09:24 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:09:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:09:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2003 08:09:24.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B5232D0:01C30D5D] Subject: Re: BSD knowledge, awarded & learning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:09:25 -0000 >On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" wrote: > > > On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, clayton rollins wrote: > > Am I OT enough now? > >OT? :? > OT: just shorthand for off-topic. PS.: About the movie... >I'm going to see it tuesday, and I'm looking forward to it (even though I'm >not a part of the American culture). I'm sure you'll get a lot out of it, regardless. It's not necessarily directed at an american audience. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 01:30:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E61F37B401 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f47.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92C443F75 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 01:30:31 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:30:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:30:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2003 08:30:31.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E788700:01C30D60] Subject: Re: We love to gloat X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:30:32 -0000 Hi Sue, >On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Sue Blake wrote: > >Let me put your minds at rest folks: > > Gloating is encouraged here. Thanks for the encouragement. ;) > >The recent threads about achievements setting up FreeBSD and >infiltrating educational organisations and workplaces as a newbie >are among the most ON topic posts we've seen here for ages. > >So long as it doesn't descend into flames or criticism of other systems, >every newbie is very welcome to discuss their achievements and setbacks >here. That includes any essentially related non-BSD matter, such as >techniques for removing keyboard impressions from the forehead, the >amount of coffee consumed, or the other-people factors involved. >Everyone likes to know they're not alone in this. > I totally agree. This is the one list where people should share forehead-massaging techniques. (BTW, kona coffee gives me the most bang for the buck.) > >I'm tickled pink that I've finally had the courage to set up opie(4) >after all these years, but I can't gloat here because I'm an oldie. >(Oops :-) > Hey! even oldies can be newbies! >If I were a newbie, I wouldn't tell you how to do it but >I might tell you how I _learned_ how to do it, which was by reading >the tutorial at >http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/02/06/FreeBSD_Basics.html >and then asking freebsd-questions about the parts that confused me. > Congrats on the sucessful progress! > >So, who else out there is a hero? > Oh, I'm still dealing with my last heroic/dumb idea. After I get a working compat3x library, I might feel more adventurous. ;) (I probably just need to run a buildworld with compat3x=yes in the make.conf; I should've done more research before committing...) > >Regards, > -*Sue*- > Thanks. Peace, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 23:35:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD23237B401 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.arachne.cz (ns.arachne.cz [212.24.129.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C36343F75 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stare@ns.arachne.cz) Received: from home.arachne.cz (IDENT:stare@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by home.arachne.cz (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3T6ZhFT005746 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:35:43 +0200 Received: (from stare@localhost) by home.arachne.cz (8.12.9/8.12.6/Submit) id h3T6ZhJk005745 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:35:43 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:35:43 +0200 From: Jan Stary To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030429063543.GA888@home.arachne.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: kernel optimized for Athlon XP 1800+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:35:47 -0000 Hi there, I installed FreeBSD 5.0 a few days ago and I love it. This is what I wanted to turn my linux box into for a long time! Anyway; it's an Athlon CPU, and when compiling my custom kernel, I couldn't find any option more specific then CPU_I686 (also said ATHLON_SSE_HACK). I only want to make sure that it really gets optimized for my Athlon (so far, all ports compile with -mcpu=pentiumpro). Is it so that for FreeBSD5.0 there is just a 'class' of I686 CPUs (without differentiating more) or is there some other option I missed? btw, what is fb50's analogy of what linux names /proc/cpuinfo ? Thank you Jan From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 00:11:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347E937B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B82E43F3F for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:11:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frebhed@yahoo.com.au) Message-ID: <20030429071107.92152.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.76.136.20] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:11:07 EST Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:11:07 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?mr=20fred?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030429063543.GA888@home.arachne.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: kernel optimized for Athlon XP 1800+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:11:08 -0000 --- Jan Stary wrote: > Hi there, > > I installed FreeBSD 5.0 a few days ago and I love it. This is what I > wanted to turn my linux box into for a long time! > > Anyway; it's an Athlon CPU, and when compiling my custom kernel, I > couldn't find any option more specific then CPU_I686 (also said > ATHLON_SSE_HACK). I only want to make sure that it really gets optimized > for my Athlon (so far, all ports compile with -mcpu=pentiumpro). > > Is it so that for FreeBSD5.0 there is just a 'class' of I686 CPUs > (without differentiating more) or is there some other option I missed? > > btw, what is fb50's analogy of what linux names /proc/cpuinfo ? > > Thank you > > Jan I have the same cpu and I have only recently switched to FreeBSD (been enlightened). I am on constant lookout for optimisation tweaks! Asside from disabling debugging and other unneeded options I havent found anything that relates to AthlonXP specific options with the kernel (except for the MAKEOPTIONS (?) flag)... I dont think the SSE_HACK option needs to be enabled if you see SSE in the start of dmseg... but, checkout the compiler options and edit /etc/make.conf accordingly (man make.conf). I cannot remember whether the MAKEOPTIONS in the kernel config override or compliment those in /etc/make.conf... I just put my options in the /etc/make.conf :) It kind of pays to know what youre doing when adding more options though... strange things can happen :) I think its pretty safe to add -msse -mmmx -mcpu=athlon-xp to the CFLAGS option though (I think -march=whatever gets added from that other CPU option) :) I dont have access to my FreeBSD box right now... I would suggest getting a benchmark from the ports tree as well (something which I havent gotten around to yet). BTW I think there is a performance mailing list now (?) maybe give that a go... cheers Fred ===== worry is a missuse of imagination http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! 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From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 10:30:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6DE37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D5543F93 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HE400MVL8L3ZR@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:19:43 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7MBKBS; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:21:13 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:29:49 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <20030429063543.GA888@home.arachne.cz> To: Jan Stary , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200304291029.49957.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <20030429063543.GA888@home.arachne.cz> Subject: Re: kernel optimized for Athlon XP 1800+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:30:19 -0000 On Monday 28 April 2003 11:35 pm, Jan Stary wrote: > Anyway; it's an Athlon CPU, and when compiling my custom kernel, I > couldn't find any option more specific then CPU_I686 (also said > ATHLON_SSE_HACK). I only want to make sure that it really gets > optimized for my Athlon (so far, all ports compile with > -mcpu=pentiumpro). Those CPU settings for the kernel are not for optimization. They're for accessing functionality. If you run dmesg and look near the top, you'll find that FreeBSD kernel is detecting your CPU as a "686-class CPU" regardless. The kernel is not optimized because it's just too close to the metal. Optimize it too much and it will break every time gcc changes its optimizer ever so slightly. On the plus side, you can edit /etc/make.conf to optimize for the Athlon. This will apply to buildworld (not recommended) and building ports. See the handbook for complete information. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 10:53:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBF637B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from issv0171.isis.de (issv0171.isis.de [195.158.131.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2F6C43FA3 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:53:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from charlie@begeistert.org) Received: (qmail 19812 invoked by uid 1010); 29 Apr 2003 17:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wonderland.1051603270.fake) ([195.158.148.80]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.isis.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Apr 2003 17:53:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:54:06 +0200 From: Charlie Clark In-Reply-To: <200304291029.49957.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Message-Id: <20030429195406.3583.17@wonderland.1051603270.fake> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <20030429063543.GA888@home.arachne.cz> <200304291029.49957.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: Beam devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: kernel optimized for Athlon XP 1800+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:53:13 -0000 On 2003-04-29 at 19:29:49 [+0200], Johnson David wrote: > Those CPU settings for the kernel are not for optimization. They're for > accessing functionality. If you run dmesg and look near the top, you'll > find that FreeBSD kernel is detecting your CPU as a "686-class CPU" > regardless. The kernel is not optimized because it's just too close to > the metal. Optimize it too much and it will break every time gcc changes > its optimizer ever so slightly. I'm just curious as to why someone would be so keen to optimise the kernel: the discussion seemed to be aimed at squeezing the last quantum of performance out of a specific processor. This isn't ever likely to be possible for a system that can run on different processors like FreeBSD at least my understanding is that portability comes at the cost of performance. The best way to optimise is to remove things you don't need then hand tweak the code, use a compiler that's optimised for the processor, ie. Intel rather than gcc and enable all the switches. But as was said - there is a separate mailing list for this. Charlie From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 12:43:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EFD37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supermail.mweb.co.za (supermail.mweb.co.za [196.2.53.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6132443F85 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:43:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ricardo@mac.za.net) Received: from [196.7.203.69] (helo=bump) by supermail.mweb.co.za with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19Aasf-00068Q-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:35:09 +0200 Message-ID: <003301c2fed0$0b7a91f0$d194fea9@bump> From: "Ricardo" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: former linux user X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:43:12 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:41:41 +0200 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:43:12 -0000 Hi there I've recently decided to give FreeBSD a go after using various distributions of Linux. I installed FreeBSD 4.8 using the ISO's which I downloaded and I need some help. 1) I've heard various and often confusing instructions about post installation tasks specifically CVSUP, how do I use CVSup? I've installed and read the man page (which isn't too helpful) and I've heard various confusing instructions on how to update packages on my system. What do I do? Thus far I've installed it and configured ports-supfile and I've thus far executed "make world". What now - am I going the right way? 2) I've used the locate feature previously and am familiar with it, on Linux! How do I update the locate database? I've used slocate -u / previously which updates the database starting at / 3) How do I refresh my paths? This is a very confusing question so allow me to explain! After installing a package I cannot execute the binary unless I am in the directory in which the binary resides - even though the path to the binary is in my "path" statement in ~/.profile. How do I get this to work? 4) Am I right in thinking that all I need to do to install a package from /usr/ports is to 4.1) make 4.2) make install ? Are there other (optional/necessary steps) to perform? 5) Should I wish to install PHP from ports, how do I go about compiling it (or any other package) with certain options, eg for PHP, how do I compile it with MySql support Thus far I'm very excited about getting it working and making use of all the features I've read - maybe I'll be replacing my Linux servers in the next year or so too! Thanks in advance, Ricardo From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 13:17:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4D437B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B5443F85 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HE400MD1GBKZO@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:06:48 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7MBP2J; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:08:15 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:16:52 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <003301c2fed0$0b7a91f0$d194fea9@bump> To: Ricardo , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200304291316.52672.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <003301c2fed0$0b7a91f0$d194fea9@bump> Subject: Re: former linux user X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:17:21 -0000 On Wednesday 09 April 2003 12:41 pm, Ricardo wrote: > I installed FreeBSD 4.8 using the ISO's which I downloaded and I need > some help. First of all, the man pages are great, but they're intended as references, not tutorials. What you need is to read is the FreeBSD Handbook, supplemented by the FreeBSD FAQ. Both should have been installed by default to /usr/share/doc/handbook and /usr/share/doc/faq. They are HTML, so read them in any browser. Plain text versions are installed as well. > 1) I've heard various and often confusing instructions about post > installation tasks specifically CVSUP, how do I use CVSup? I've > installed and read the man page (which isn't too helpful) and I've > heard various confusing instructions on how to update packages on my > system. What do I do? Thus far I've installed it and configured > ports-supfile and I've thus far executed "make world". What now - am > I going the right way? There is great information on this in the Handbook. First see Appendix A.6, for using CVSup. Then chapter 4 on packages and ports. Then chapter 21 on synchronizing your source and making world. Finally, see the FAQ section 7.11, for a bit of information on portupgrade, which makes it easy to update existing installed packages and ports. > 2) I've used the locate feature previously and am familiar with it, > on Linux! How do I update the locate database? I've used slocate -u / > previously which updates the database starting at / This is already set up for you as a weekly cronjob. > 3) How do I refresh my paths? This is a very confusing question so > allow me to explain! After installing a package I cannot execute the > binary unless I am in the directory in which the binary resides - > even though the path to the binary is in my "path" statement in > ~/.profile. How do I get this to work? Ah! This used to drive me nuts, until I realized that I was running csh/tcsh instead of sh/bash. Make sure you're running sh or bash and not csh or tcsh. If you need to use csh, then consult the man page for csh, and look for a paragraph talking about "rehash". > 4) Am I right in thinking that all I need to do to install a package > from /usr/ports is to 4.1) make 4.2) make install ? Are there other > (optional/necessary steps) to perform? If you have an internet connection then that's all there is. I would add "make clean" afterwards, just to be tidy. Make sure you read any messages that "make install" directs your way. Sometimes they include additional manual steps that you must do. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 13:22:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C9D37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from floyd.gnulife.org (floyd.gnulife.org [199.86.41.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4658643F3F for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@gnulife.org) Received: by floyd.gnulife.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6E968432FB; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:35:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by floyd.gnulife.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1D8432E6; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:35:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:35:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamie To: Ricardo In-Reply-To: <200304291316.52672.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Message-ID: <20030429153442.V28724-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: former linux user X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:22:35 -0000 > 2) I've used the locate feature previously and am familiar with it, > on Linux! How do I update the locate database? I've used slocate -u / > previously which updates the database starting at / /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Johnson David wrote: > On Wednesday 09 April 2003 12:41 pm, Ricardo wrote: > > > I installed FreeBSD 4.8 using the ISO's which I downloaded and I need > > some help. > > First of all, the man pages are great, but they're intended as > references, not tutorials. What you need is to read is the FreeBSD > Handbook, supplemented by the FreeBSD FAQ. Both should have been > installed by default to /usr/share/doc/handbook and /usr/share/doc/faq. > They are HTML, so read them in any browser. Plain text versions are > installed as well. > > > 1) I've heard various and often confusing instructions about post > > installation tasks specifically CVSUP, how do I use CVSup? I've > > installed and read the man page (which isn't too helpful) and I've > > heard various confusing instructions on how to update packages on my > > system. What do I do? Thus far I've installed it and configured > > ports-supfile and I've thus far executed "make world". What now - am > > I going the right way? > > There is great information on this in the Handbook. First see Appendix > A.6, for using CVSup. Then chapter 4 on packages and ports. Then > chapter 21 on synchronizing your source and making world. Finally, see > the FAQ section 7.11, for a bit of information on portupgrade, which > makes it easy to update existing installed packages and ports. > > > 2) I've used the locate feature previously and am familiar with it, > > on Linux! How do I update the locate database? I've used slocate -u / > > previously which updates the database starting at / > > This is already set up for you as a weekly cronjob. > > > 3) How do I refresh my paths? This is a very confusing question so > > allow me to explain! After installing a package I cannot execute the > > binary unless I am in the directory in which the binary resides - > > even though the path to the binary is in my "path" statement in > > ~/.profile. How do I get this to work? > > Ah! This used to drive me nuts, until I realized that I was running > csh/tcsh instead of sh/bash. Make sure you're running sh or bash and > not csh or tcsh. If you need to use csh, then consult the man page for > csh, and look for a paragraph talking about "rehash". > > > 4) Am I right in thinking that all I need to do to install a package > > from /usr/ports is to 4.1) make 4.2) make install ? Are there other > > (optional/necessary steps) to perform? > > If you have an internet connection then that's all there is. I would add > "make clean" afterwards, just to be tidy. Make sure you read any > messages that "make install" directs your way. Sometimes they include > additional manual steps that you must do. > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. - Nietzsche From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 14:11:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278BA37B404 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supermail.mweb.co.za (supermail.mweb.co.za [196.2.53.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24ED043F85 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ricardo@mac.za.net) Received: from [196.7.203.69] (helo=bump) by supermail.mweb.co.za with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19AcGL-0000aX-00; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:03:43 +0200 Message-ID: <008e01c2fedc$69edd650$d194fea9@bump> From: "Ricardo" To: References: <003301c2fed0$0b7a91f0$d194fea9@bump> <200304291324.50548.fcash@sd73.bc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: former linux user X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:11:57 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:10:09 +0200 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:11:57 -0000 > This list isn't really for technical questions. This is more for > newcomers to discuss their experiences with FreeBSD, the pitfalls they > ran into, the helpful sites/people they've found, and so on. For > technical questions, you'd use the FreeBSD-Questions list. Thank you to all who contributed! I'm all sorted out right now (for now)! Where does one ask stupid newbie questions then? I really thought this was the list for it! Ricardo From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 15:01:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BC637B404 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70A343FA3 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:01:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HE400MKEL4EZU@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:50:30 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7MBSH3; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:51:56 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:00:33 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <008e01c2fedc$69edd650$d194fea9@bump> To: Ricardo Message-id: <200304291500.33135.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <003301c2fed0$0b7a91f0$d194fea9@bump> <200304291324.50548.fcash@sd73.bc.ca> <008e01c2fedc$69edd650$d194fea9@bump> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: former linux user X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:01:02 -0000 On Wednesday 09 April 2003 02:10 pm, Ricardo wrote: > > This list isn't really for technical questions. This is more for > > newcomers to discuss their experiences with FreeBSD, the pitfalls > > they ran into, the helpful sites/people they've found, and so on. > > For technical questions, you'd use the FreeBSD-Questions list. > > Thank you to all who contributed! I'm all sorted out right now (for > now)! Where does one ask stupid newbie questions then? I really > thought this was the list for it! Note that I answered your questions by telling you where to look in the documentation, instead of giving you specific technical answers. If you want specific technical answers, ask at freebsd-questions. But try to do some research on your own first, like reading the docs, googling, etc. The people on -questions can spot those who haven't bothered to read the handbook a mile away... The reason why this list isn't for technical questions, is because this list is populated by newbies. Do you really want your technical question answered by someone who doesn't know any more about it than you? Of course not! So ask your technical questions in the group where all the experts hang out. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 19:21:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E387D37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7A843FBD for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kah42@nwlink.com) Received: from nwlink.com (ip125.gte32.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.202.125]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B5F6A5FC for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:21:14 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: kah42 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200304291500.33135.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Message-Id: <6B0DE79E-7AB2-11D7-9F69-000393666B3C@nwlink.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: Re: former linux user X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:21:42 -0000 Actually, I like the fact that this list isn't populated by experts. I keep an eye on it because I'm always interested in new ways to break software. ;-) Also, by looking at things people have problems figuring out and/or understanding I find I can relate to better and write better documentation for users of new (to them) software. Keep those emails coming to the newbie list! On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Johnson David wrote: > On Wednesday 09 April 2003 02:10 pm, Ricardo wrote: >>> This list isn't really for technical questions. This is more for >>> newcomers to discuss their experiences with FreeBSD, the pitfalls >>> they ran into, the helpful sites/people they've found, and so on. >>> For technical questions, you'd use the FreeBSD-Questions list. >> >> Thank you to all who contributed! I'm all sorted out right now (for >> now)! Where does one ask stupid newbie questions then? I really >> thought this was the list for it! > > Note that I answered your questions by telling you where to look in the > documentation, instead of giving you specific technical answers. If you > want specific technical answers, ask at freebsd-questions. But try to > do some research on your own first, like reading the docs, googling, > etc. The people on -questions can spot those who haven't bothered to > read the handbook a mile away... > > The reason why this list isn't for technical questions, is because this > list is populated by newbies. Do you really want your technical > question answered by someone who doesn't know any more about it than > you? Of course not! So ask your technical questions in the group where > all the experts hang out. > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 19:59:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1895C37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BC643F3F for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:59:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jtylor20@attbi.com) Received: from attbi.com (h00a0cce4b305.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.235.10]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <20030430025953052004v6vhe>; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:59:54 +0000 Message-ID: <3EAF3E85.5060209@attbi.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:09:57 -0400 From: Cortland Naegelin Organization: cool family inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freebsd for newbies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jtylor20@attbi.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:59:57 -0000 Could people give me an idea at what are their favorite ports are and why. there are of what maybe 3000. I just want to get an idea as to what ports are interesting. I have found webmin useful to manage my system. Just curious. Cort N From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 20:57:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD3537B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f130.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E9043FA3 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:57:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:57:54 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:57:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: jtylor20@attbi.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:57:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2003 03:57:54.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD74B510:01C30ECC] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:57:55 -0000 >On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 Cortland Naegelin wrote: > >Could people give me an idea at what are their favorite ports are and why. >there are of what maybe 3000. I just want to get an idea as to what ports >are interesting. I have found webmin useful to manage my system. Just >curious. > > > Cort N > Hi Cort, Don't worry about tackling the whole ports tree at once; it isn't going anywhere... (just install 'em as you need 'em.) Some of the ones I've found useful are mutt, portsentry, jdk 1.1.8, gmake, emacs, cvsup, pureftpd, and whole host of others. (I just did a pkg_info and it really is too much to list.) Good luck proceeding... Clayton _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 23:43:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5049F37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10502.mail.yahoo.com (web10502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E550543FB1 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:43:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frebhed@yahoo.com.au) Message-ID: <20030430064310.92519.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.76.136.20] by web10502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:43:10 EST Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:43:10 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?mr=20fred?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3EAF3E85.5060209@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:43:11 -0000 --- Cortland Naegelin wrote: > Could people give me an idea at what are their favorite ports are and > why. there are of what maybe 3000. I just want to get an idea as to what > ports are interesting. I have found webmin useful to manage my system. > Just curious. > Port-upgrade and cvsup have to be my favourites, I dont mind keeping things current (pun intended)... my most commonly used port would be iceWM though. fred ===== worry is a missuse of imagination http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 02:10:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB6037B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay2-dav24.bay2.hotmail.com [65.54.246.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A9043F3F for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:10:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mreeves_freebsdlists@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:10:16 -0700 Received: from 68.83.48.4 by bay2-dav24.bay2.hotmail.com with DAV; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:10:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.83.48.4] X-Originating-Email: [mreeves_freebsdlists@hotmail.com] From: "Maurice Reeves" To: "'Freebsd for newbies'" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 05:10:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c30ef8$53c69f70$04305344@frostbite> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <3EAF3E85.5060209@attbi.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2003 09:10:16.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[508C0DE0:01C30EF8] Subject: RE: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:10:17 -0000 Cort, The problem with your request is that the ports tree is SO huge that you'll get so many varied answers. I use Emacs, XMMS, etc. Other people will use other things because you have so much variety. If you'd like to know more about what's available in the ports tree and what it's good for I'd suggest you go to www.onlamp.com/bsd and read Dru Lavigne's column "FreeBSD Basics". She does a great job getting you more information and detail about FreeBSD. hth, Maurice -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Cortland Naegelin Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:10 PM To: Freebsd for newbies Subject: Ports Could people give me an idea at what are their favorite ports are and why. there are of what maybe 3000. I just want to get an idea as to what ports are interesting. I have found webmin useful to manage my system. Just curious. Cort N _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 15:28:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0262837B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FEF43F3F for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:28:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from sparx.techno.pagans (12-224-208-117.client.attbi.com [12.224.208.117]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36B8FD90; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from speck.techno.pagans (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by sparx.techno.pagans (Postfix) with SMTP id C890BA913; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:12:52 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim To: jtylor20@attbi.com Message-Id: <20030430141252.06f0bedb.dmp@pantherdragon.org> In-Reply-To: <3EAF3E85.5060209@attbi.com> References: <3EAF3E85.5060209@attbi.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:28:37 -0000 Cortland Naegelin wrote: >Could people give me an idea at what are their favorite ports are and >why. there are of what maybe 3000. I just want to get an idea as to what >ports are interesting. I have found webmin useful to manage my system. >Just curious. There's about 8600 ports, actually. As for what's interesting, pick a subject. On my desktop machine, running RELENG_5_0 with XF86 4.2.0 and KDE 3.1, I use sylpheed-claws, mozilla, opera, gaim, and xmms on a regular basis. There's also wine, acroread, grub, sudo, aterm, cvsup, and portupgrade. Then there's all the dependancies and other "behind the scenes" ports like image libraries, XF86 fonts and libraries, OpenGL and other rendering libraries, gnome libs, Qt, GTK, linux_base, glib (three versions of it), sound and multimedia libraries like esound, video decoders, and LAME, build tools like gmake, imake, expat, autoconf, and automake, and languages including perl, python, tk/tcl, and java. It's a really great example of desktop-use induced system bloat. I did a make install for 19 ports, yet there are 122 installed. My servers don't have anywhere near that kind of dependancy ratio. It's not surprising other OSes destabilize over time as users install, use, upgrade and remove software that included support libraries. It also shows how critical it is to not rely solely on the installer provided with the software. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 01:29:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F9737B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f35.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDEA43F85 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuckingfutsto@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:29:05 -0700 Received: from 24.195.167.45 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 May 2003 08:29:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.195.167.45] X-Originating-Email: [nuckingfutsto@hotmail.com] From: "Nucking Futs" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 04:29:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2003 08:29:05.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA515820:01C30FBB] Subject: Apache problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 08:29:06 -0000 I have installed the apache 1.3.27-fp port in my FBSD 4.8 system. Apache will not start automatically when the system boots. I receive an error "120: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string" I tried chmod 755 the apache.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d but this didn't help either. Have I done something wrong, is this a known problem? Any suggestions as to what I can do to fix this would be appreciated. Thanks _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 01:32:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6AF37B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.65535.net (thor.65535.net [65.214.160.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA5443FA3 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rghf@fsck.me.uk) Received: from thor ([65.214.160.96] helo=localhost) by thor.65535.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19B9UZ-000Brh-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 09:32:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:32:35 +0100 (BST) From: Rus Foster To: Nucking Futs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030501093014.M95229@thor.65535.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 08:32:16 -0000 On Thu, 1 May 2003, Nucking Futs wrote: > I have installed the apache 1.3.27-fp port in my FBSD 4.8 system. Apache > will not start automatically when the system boots. I receive an error > "120: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string" I tried chmod 755 the > apache.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d but this didn't help either. Have I done > something wrong, is this a known problem? Any suggestions as to what I can > do to fix this would be appreciated. Thanks > HI, Looks like the script has got a typo in it. Open it and goto line 120 and see wahat it says. If the script only has 119 lines then you might have to look for an unclosed quote (' or `) Rgds Rus -- www: http://www.65535.net | Hosting - Shell Accounts MSNM: support@65535.net | Virtual Servers from just $15/mo e: rghf@65535.net | Community: http://www.65535.org t: +44 (0) 7092016595 | Rate us: http://www.65535.net/rate.php From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 01:53:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F7037B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f10.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E075743FD7 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuckingfutsto@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:53:23 -0700 Received: from 24.195.167.45 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 May 2003 08:53:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.195.167.45] X-Originating-Email: [nuckingfutsto@hotmail.com] From: "Nucking Futs" To: rghf@fsck.me.uk Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 04:53:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2003 08:53:23.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F753110:01C30FBF] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 08:53:24 -0000 It appears this might be a known issue, where might i go to find the official solution. I tried adding ' " and ; and it either gave me other errors or made no difference. I don't understand how to write code. Thanks >From: Rus Foster >To: Nucking Futs >CC: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Apache problem >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:32:35 +0100 (BST) > >On Thu, 1 May 2003, Nucking Futs wrote: > > > I have installed the apache 1.3.27-fp port in my FBSD 4.8 system. >Apache > > will not start automatically when the system boots. I receive an error > > "120: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string" I tried chmod 755 the > > apache.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d but this didn't help either. Have I >done > > something wrong, is this a known problem? Any suggestions as to what I >can > > do to fix this would be appreciated. Thanks > > > >HI, >Looks like the script has got a typo in it. Open it and goto line 120 and >see wahat it says. If the script only has 119 lines then you might have to >look for an unclosed quote (' or `) > >Rgds > >Rus >-- >www: http://www.65535.net | Hosting - Shell Accounts >MSNM: support@65535.net | Virtual Servers from just $15/mo >e: rghf@65535.net | Community: http://www.65535.org >t: +44 (0) 7092016595 | Rate us: http://www.65535.net/rate.php >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 03:41:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F1537B401; Thu, 1 May 2003 03:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07C043F75; Thu, 1 May 2003 03:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from sparx.techno.pagans (12-224-208-117.client.attbi.com [12.224.208.117]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E8BFD90; Thu, 1 May 2003 03:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from speck.techno.pagans (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by sparx.techno.pagans (Postfix) with SMTP id A7C3EA913; Thu, 1 May 2003 03:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 03:41:15 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim To: "Nucking Futs" Message-Id: <20030501034115.143cebd5.dmp@pantherdragon.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 May 2003 04:29:31 -0700 cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 10:41:24 -0000 [Redirected to -questions] "Nucking Futs" wrote: > I have installed the apache 1.3.27-fp port in my FBSD 4.8 system. Apache >will not start automatically when the system boots. I receive an error >"120: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string" I tried chmod 755 the >apache.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d but this didn't help either. Have I done >something wrong, is this a known problem? Any suggestions as to what I can >do to fix this would be appreciated. Thanks What was the exact command you issued that returned the error? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 05:47:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA7537B404 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 05:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.one2netmail.co.ug (mail.one2netmail.co.ug [216.250.215.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B06A43F75 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 05:47:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ziggy@one2net.co.ug) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.one2netmail.co.ug (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71EB68D7F; Thu, 1 May 2003 15:57:28 +0300 (EAT) Received: from mail.one2netmail.co.ug ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.one2netmail.co.ug [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with ESMTP id 03602-10; Thu, 1 May 2003 15:57:21 +0300 (EAT) Received: from deez (g-class.sanyutel.com [216.250.215.27]) by mail.one2netmail.co.ug (Postfix) with SMTP id E1AE768DDA; Thu, 1 May 2003 15:57:17 +0300 (EAT) From: "David Lubowa" To: "Nucking Futs" , Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:51:04 +0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Apache problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ziggy@one2net.co.ug List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:47:48 -0000 quick work around, can you start httpd on console i.e /usr/local/sbin/httpd & ? if so you could write a simple shell script to start apache, rather than relying on the shell script that is there by default. ma 2cents :) cheers david -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Nucking Futs Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:53 AM To: rghf@fsck.me.uk Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache problem It appears this might be a known issue, where might i go to find the official solution. I tried adding ' " and ; and it either gave me other errors or made no difference. I don't understand how to write code. Thanks >From: Rus Foster >To: Nucking Futs >CC: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Apache problem >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:32:35 +0100 (BST) > >On Thu, 1 May 2003, Nucking Futs wrote: > > > I have installed the apache 1.3.27-fp port in my FBSD 4.8 system. >Apache > > will not start automatically when the system boots. I receive an error > > "120: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string" I tried chmod 755 the > > apache.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d but this didn't help either. Have I >done > > something wrong, is this a known problem? Any suggestions as to what I >can > > do to fix this would be appreciated. Thanks > > > >HI, >Looks like the script has got a typo in it. Open it and goto line 120 and >see wahat it says. If the script only has 119 lines then you might have to >look for an unclosed quote (' or `) > >Rgds > >Rus >-- >www: http://www.65535.net | Hosting - Shell Accounts >MSNM: support@65535.net | Virtual Servers from just $15/mo >e: rghf@65535.net | Community: http://www.65535.org >t: +44 (0) 7092016595 | Rate us: http://www.65535.net/rate.php >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 05:50:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D790C37B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 05:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF63F43FAF for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 05:50:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from doublel01.double-l.lokaal (a213-84-11-61.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.11.61]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h41CoCpS066078 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 14:50:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:49:12 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Topic: Apache problem X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 thread-index: AcMPvCNU3BE/huUHSVCbZIPVsLh6UQAHR3kQAAG6ZvA= From: "Johan Hendriks" To: Subject: RE: Apache problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:50:16 -0000 i have send 3 e-mails to the maintainer of that port that there is an typo in the file /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache.sh well it is near the end of the file (this is the end of it) else if [ -f ${prefix}/etc/rc.conf.d/apache ]; then . ${prefix}/etc/rc.conf.d/apache fi if [ -z '${apache_start}" ]; then apache_start=3D"start_FP" fi case "$1" in start) if [ -x ${prefix}/sbin/apachectl ]; then new_key ${prefix}/sbin/apachectl ${apache_start} && echo -n ' httpd' fi ;; stop) if [ -r /var/run/httpd.pid ]; then ${prefix}/sbin/apachectl stop && echo -n ' httpd' fi ;; *) echo "usage: $0 {start|stop}" 1>&2 exit 64 ;; esac fi =20 The line in red needs attention it must read=20 =20 if [ -z "${apache_start}" ]; then =20 the ` after the -z needs to be a "=20 =20 Good luck =20 Maybe you can mail him again. =20 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Rus Foster [ mailto:rghf@fsck.me.uk ] Verzonden: donderdag 1 mei 2003 10:33 Aan: Nucking Futs CC: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Onderwerp: Re: Apache problem On Thu, 1 May 2003, Nucking Futs wrote: > I have installed the apache 1.3.27-fp port in my FBSD 4.8 system. Apache > will not start automatically when the system boots. I receive an error > "120: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string" I tried chmod 755 the > apache.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d but this didn't help either. Have I done > something wrong, is this a known problem? Any suggestions as to what I can > do to fix this would be appreciated. Thanks > HI, Looks like the script has got a typo in it. Open it and goto line 120 and see wahat it says. If the script only has 119 lines then you might have to look for an unclosed quote (' or `) Rgds Rus -- www: http://www.65535.net | Hosting - Shell Accounts MSNM: support@65535.net | Virtual Servers from just $15/mo e: rghf@65535.net | Community: http://www.65535.org =20 t: +44 (0) 7092016595 | Rate us: http://www.65535.net/rate.php =20 _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies =20 To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 06:55:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213A437B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 06:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB8743F85 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 06:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from sparx.techno.pagans (12-224-208-117.client.attbi.com [12.224.208.117]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A421FD90; Thu, 1 May 2003 06:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from speck.techno.pagans (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by sparx.techno.pagans (Postfix) with SMTP id C331FA913; Thu, 1 May 2003 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:54:45 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim To: ziggy@one2net.co.ug Message-Id: <20030501065445.436a492e.dmp@pantherdragon.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: rghf@fsck.me.uk cc: nuckingfutsto@hotmail.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 13:55:27 -0000 "David Lubowa" wrote: > >quick work around, can you start httpd on console i.e /usr/local/sbin/httpd >& ? if so you could write a simple shell script to start apache, rather than >relying on the shell script that is there by default. The proper way to start apache is `apachectl start`. >From: Nucking Futs > >It appears this might be a known issue, where might i go to find the >official solution. I tried adding ' " and ; and it either gave me other >errors or made no difference. I don't understand how to write code. Thanks > > >>From: Rus Foster >> >>On Thu, 1 May 2003, Nucking Futs wrote: >> >> > I have installed the apache 1.3.27-fp port in my FBSD 4.8 system. Apache >> > will not start automatically when the system boots. I receive an error >> > "120: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string" I tried chmod 755 the >> > apache.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d but this didn't help either. Have I done >> > something wrong, is this a known problem? Any suggestions as to what I can >> > do to fix this would be appreciated. Thanks >> > >> >>HI, >>Looks like the script has got a typo in it. Open it and goto line 120 and >>see wahat it says. If the script only has 119 lines then you might have to >>look for an unclosed quote (' or `) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 21:58:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6771A37B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from net.wau.nl (net.wau.nl [137.224.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA3743FA3 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from FST777@phreaker.net) Received: from asser079.athome239.wau.nl (asser079.athome239.wau.nl [137.224.239.79]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38746) with ESMTP id <0HE8005JYTTA81@net.WAU.NL> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 May 2003 06:58:22 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 06:57:56 +0107 (CEST) From: "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <0HE8005JZTTA81@net.WAU.NL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: some experiences so far (regarding Gnome, XFce and GTK+) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: FST777@phreaker.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 04:58:25 -0000 I was installing Gnome a few days ago just to check it out (I'm desperately in love with XFce) when a roommate caused a powercrash. I wasn't able to boot for a while (read: I was too impatient to read that I had to run fsck MANUALLY in single user mode). It also appeared that my cleaning-action afterwards (get rid of all that Gnome-stuff my disk) did something else than what I had in mind (but I guess it did exactly what I asked for...) Anyhow, I reinstalled almost everything, screwed around with xdm the wrong way (had something to do with a half-installed edition of gdm I guess) wich prevented me from logging in for a few days (after that I discovered Ctrl-Alt-F1). I ended up with the new versions of XFce and Gaim. That is where the frustration began (yes, not until there...): I need (don't ask why) a consisting looking desktop: all programs I use should use the same toolkit, so that everywhere my scrollbars and buttons look exactly the same. This is nearly impossible, so I could live with some qt-based programs (but always looking for gtk-based replacements). But: XFce uses GTK+ 1; Gaim uses GTK+ 2. I cannot find any details about how to change themes for GTK on the net (checked some major sites), I don't have the usefull tools Gnome can provide, the XFce-themechooser doesn't work (the builder of XFce doesn't know why) and that would only be sufficient for all the GTK+ 1-based programs (this is where gtk-theme-switch comes in handy). I like the theme XFce has given to all the GTK+ 1-based programs, but the theme Gaim is using now is UGLY. I managed to addept the colors by installing gtk-xfce-engine (wich wasn't so hard :) ) I don't want to know how to change the themes from you all, but my question in general is: why does it appear so hard to find any good documentation about GTK+? Normally I can find my way around fairly easily, but I'm almost stuck now! Can't find man-pages, can't find docs on the net covering this issue... is there something wrong with me? PS: as you've might have seen between the lines: I now use gtk-theme-switch for GTK1. There is a version of this program for GTK2, but there is no FreeBSD-port yet... From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 00:08:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDECD37B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 00:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web15208.mail.bjs.yahoo.com (web15208.mail.bjs.yahoo.com [202.3.77.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3ED8E43FE0 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 00:08:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fellforan@yahoo.com.cn) Message-ID: <20030502070845.98892.qmail@web15208.mail.bjs.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.15.53.130] by web15208.mail.bjs.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2003 15:08:45 CST Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:08:45 +0800 (CST) From: =?gb2312?q?bai=20song?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Another reason to like FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 07:08:49 -0000 --- Gary Schenk 的正文：> 发件人: Gary Schenk > 收件人: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > 日期: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:14:28 -0700 > 主题: Another reason to like FreeBSD > > Another reason to love it, is all these idiots > sending out viruses > disguised as Microsoft patches. Got another one > today. > > Looking through an issue of PC Mag, it was > interesting to see how much > stuff was irrelevant: anti-virus, spyware, > anti-spyware, system > utilities. All of which cost money, none of which we > need. > > Now if I can just get this printing thing worked > out... > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 相见不如聊天!不出门一样面对面！网络摄像头对对派送中~赶快用你的雅虎电邮帐号参与吧…… http://cn.rd.yahoo.com/mail_cn/tag/?http://cn.messenger.yahoo.com/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 01:10:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB72237B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 01:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.one2netmail.co.ug (mail.one2netmail.co.ug [216.250.215.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730FC43FD7 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 01:09:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ziggy@one2net.co.ug) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.one2netmail.co.ug (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FD568DF4; Fri, 2 May 2003 11:19:57 +0300 (EAT) Received: from mail.one2netmail.co.ug ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.one2netmail.co.ug [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with ESMTP id 23414-08; Fri, 2 May 2003 11:19:47 +0300 (EAT) Received: from deez (g-class.sanyutel.com [216.250.215.27]) by mail.one2netmail.co.ug (Postfix) with SMTP id D40E868DEA; Fri, 2 May 2003 11:19:46 +0300 (EAT) From: "David Lubowa" To: "Darren Pilgrim" Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:12:58 +0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030501065445.436a492e.dmp@pantherdragon.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: rghf@fsck.me.uk cc: nuckingfutsto@hotmail.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Apache problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ziggy@one2net.co.ug List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 08:10:05 -0000 i know that was ..just looking at other options !! cheers david -----Original Message----- From: Darren Pilgrim [mailto:dmp@pantherdragon.org] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:55 PM To: ziggy@one2net.co.ug Cc: nuckingfutsto@hotmail.com; rghf@fsck.me.uk; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache problem "David Lubowa" wrote: > >quick work around, can you start httpd on console i.e /usr/local/sbin/httpd >& ? if so you could write a simple shell script to start apache, rather than >relying on the shell script that is there by default. The proper way to start apache is `apachectl start`. >From: Nucking Futs > >It appears this might be a known issue, where might i go to find the >official solution. I tried adding ' " and ; and it either gave me other >errors or made no difference. I don't understand how to write code. Thanks > > >>From: Rus Foster >> >>On Thu, 1 May 2003, Nucking Futs wrote: >> >> > I have installed the apache 1.3.27-fp port in my FBSD 4.8 system. Apache >> > will not start automatically when the system boots. I receive an error >> > "120: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string" I tried chmod 755 the >> > apache.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d but this didn't help either. Have I done >> > something wrong, is this a known problem? Any suggestions as to what I can >> > do to fix this would be appreciated. Thanks >> > >> >>HI, >>Looks like the script has got a typo in it. Open it and goto line 120 and >>see wahat it says. If the script only has 119 lines then you might have to >>look for an unclosed quote (' or `) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 02:19:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA4E37B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 02:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.ovis.net (zeus.ovis.net [207.0.147.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40C343FD7 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 02:19:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chromexa@ovis.net) Received: from ovis.net (unverified [207.0.147.103]) by zeus.ovis.net (Vircom SMTPRS 2.0.244) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 2 May 2003 05:19:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3EB22E8A.FC249BF9@ovis.net> Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:38:34 +0100 From: Steve Kudlak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bai song , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20030502070845.98892.qmail@web15208.mail.bjs.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Another reason to like FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:19:52 -0000 Works with anything in the *nix world. Although BSD and FreeBSD have been around for longer than most things and have a lot of work done on them. This is a big point in favour of FreeBSD. I like that some people, perhaps sometimes myself have got up every morning, eh...afternoon and wondered about system internals and how they could be made better. Very few people in the Microsoft . Have Fun, Sends Steve bai song wrote: > --- Gary Schenk 的正文：> > 发件人: Gary Schenk > > 收件人: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > 日期: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:14:28 -0700 > > 主题: Another reason to like FreeBSD > > > > Another reason to love it, is all these idiots > > sending out viruses > > disguised as Microsoft patches. Got another one > > today. > > > > Looking through an issue of PC Mag, it was > > interesting to see how much > > stuff was irrelevant: anti-virus, spyware, > > anti-spyware, system > > utilities. All of which cost money, none of which we > > need. > > > > Now if I can just get this printing thing worked > > out... > > > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > 相见不如聊天!不出门一样面对面！网络摄像头对对派送中~赶快用你的雅虎电邮帐号参与吧…… > http://cn.rd.yahoo.com/mail_cn/tag/?http://cn.messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 09:15:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847D537B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 09:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao07.cox.net (lakemtao07.cox.net [68.1.17.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7642E43FA3 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 09:15:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesuscash@cox.net) Received: from cox.net ([68.13.37.129]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030502161510.FZO4514.lakemtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 12:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3EB29992.9060302@cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:15:14 -0500 From: Jesus Cash User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ko, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, ga, ja, ko-kp, ko-kr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20030502070845.98892.qmail@web15208.mail.bjs.yahoo.com> <3EB22E8A.FC249BF9@ovis.net> In-Reply-To: <3EB22E8A.FC249BF9@ovis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Another reason to like FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:15:14 -0000 Also it seems lately tha the major distributions of Linux are full of bloat, not getting to be much different than Windows. I have a P100 laptop I use for writing and some times some Nintendo emulation. I tried loading Red Hat 9 on it, stripping it down of course... But it wouldn't even let me do that. Just flat out said no way, your system sucks. Where I work there's a group of people some of us call the Cult of Gentoo. While one of them is just doing it to fit in (the guy can hardly tech Windows, which is our job), they all talk about about Gentoo's ease of use compared to the other distros and other *NIX kernels, their arguements inevitably lead to Gentoo's "emerge" function. I keep telling them that FreeBSD has two very similar systems of installing programs, and it does it about the same, downloading dependencies automatically. Not too sure if Gentoo patches itself either. Not to mention I didn't have to go through some huge set-up to get FreeBSD running AND FreeBSD actually detected my NIC, which Gentoo didn't. Another guy at work and I are just getting into FreeBSD and already we've had less issues than the guys that have been running Gentoo since they first put it out. One of these days I'm gonna log into "The Cult's" computers and change their desktop wallpapers to BSD centric images. Viva La Revolution! :P -B P.S. I know there may still be some linux ethusists out there on this list, this is nothing against you or Linux, it's against just some of the kernel's followers. I'm sure there are some who can argue this better than they can and beat me, but eh... I'm only defending my kernel of choice from the uninformed. After all, despite "The Cult's" presence, I still take all the Linux calls. Steve Kudlak wrote: >Works with anything in the *nix world. >Although BSD and FreeBSD have been >around for longer than most things and >have a lot of work done on them. >This is a big point in favour of FreeBSD. > >I like that some people, perhaps sometimes >myself have got up every morning, eh...afternoon >and wondered about system internals and how >they could be made better. Very few people >in the Microsoft . > >Have Fun, >Sends Steve > >bai song wrote: > > > >> --- Gary Schenk 的正文：> >>发件人: Gary Schenk >> >> >>>收件人: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >>>日期: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:14:28 -0700 >>>主题: Another reason to like FreeBSD >>> >>>Another reason to love it, is all these idiots >>>sending out viruses >>>disguised as Microsoft patches. Got another one >>>today. >>> >>>Looking through an issue of PC Mag, it was >>>interesting to see how much >>>stuff was irrelevant: anti-virus, spyware, >>>anti-spyware, system >>>utilities. All of which cost money, none of which we >>>need. >>> >>>Now if I can just get this printing thing worked >>>out... >>> >>>Gary >>>_______________________________________________ >>>freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >>> >>> >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >> >> >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> >>> >>"freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >>_________________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>相见不如聊天!不出门一样面对面！网络摄像头对对派送中~赶快用你的雅虎电邮帐号参与吧…… >>http://cn.rd.yahoo.com/mail_cn/tag/?http://cn.messenger.yahoo.com/ >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 10:35:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE4737B405 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 10:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF9343FBD for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 10:35:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HE9004YESTS0P@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 02 May 2003 10:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 02 May 2003 10:24:53 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7M1AH4; Fri, 02 May 2003 10:26:20 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:35:01 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <3EB29992.9060302@cox.net> To: Jesus Cash , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200305021035.02241.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <20030502070845.98892.qmail@web15208.mail.bjs.yahoo.com> <3EB22E8A.FC249BF9@ovis.net> <3EB29992.9060302@cox.net> Subject: Re: Another reason to like FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 17:35:33 -0000 On Friday 02 May 2003 09:15 am, Jesus Cash wrote: > Where I work there's a group of people some of us call the Cult of > Gentoo. Just let them know that Gentoo is a mere copy of FreeBSD. All their "innovation" was done years before. Why go with the cheap knockoff when the original is free! Instead of changing their wallpaper, or some other underhanded trick, just take a long lunch hour. When they ask why, say that since you're running FreeBSD you get all your work done early. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 13:02:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AFC37B423 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 13:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f18.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5331B43F93 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 13:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 May 2003 13:02:14 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2003 20:02:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 20:02:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2003 20:02:14.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[B96030F0:01C310E5] Subject: RE: Apache problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 20:02:19 -0000 >on Fri, 2 May 2003 11:12:58 "David Lubowa" wrote: > >i know that was ..just looking at other options !! > >cheers > >david > > > >on Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:55 PM Darren Pilgrim [dmp@pantherdragon.org] >wrote > > > >"David Lubowa" wrote: > > > > > > > >quick work around, can you start httpd on console i.e >/usr/local/sbin/httpd > > >& ? if so you could write a simple shell script to start apache, rather >than > > >relying on the shell script that is there by default. > > > >The proper way to start apache is `apachectl start`. > > > > >From: Nucking Futs > > > > > >It appears this might be a known issue, where might i go to find the > > >official solution. I tried adding ' " and ; and it either gave me >other > > >errors or made no difference. I don't understand how to write code. > > >Thanks > > > > > > > > >From: Rus Foster > > > > > > > >On Thu, 1 May 2003, Nucking Futs wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have installed the apache 1.3.27-fp port in my FBSD 4.8 >system. Apache > > > > > will not start automatically when the system boots. I receive an >error > > > > > "120: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string" I tried chmod 755 >the > > > > > apache.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d but this didn't help either. >Have I done > > > > > something wrong, is this a known problem? Any suggestions as to >what I can > > > > > do to fix this would be appreciated. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > >HI, > > > >Looks like the script has got a typo in it. Open it and goto line 120 >and > > > >see wahat it says. If the script only has 119 lines then you might >have to > > > >look for an unclosed quote (' or `) > Hi all, To test your configuration file, run a 'apachectl configtest'. it'll test the syntax for you. Since you probably do have an error in there somewhere, I'll also point out that httpd.conf has a format different from most other config files. (Lines following comment lines are counted as comment lines. see the notes in the file for more info.) As a side note, the only thing I had to change was the 'document root' and it was good to go. Good luck, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 13:24:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EE237B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f146.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A5343FAF for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 May 2003 13:24:30 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2003 20:24:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: jesuscash@cox.net Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 20:24:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2003 20:24:30.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5B8EFF0:01C310E8] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another reason to like FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 20:24:31 -0000 >on Fri, 02 May 2003 11:15:14 Jesus Cash wrote: > >Also it seems lately tha the major distributions of Linux are full of >bloat, not getting to be much different than Windows. I have a P100 laptop >I use for writing and some times some Nintendo emulation. I tried loading >Red Hat 9 on it, stripping it down of course... But it wouldn't even let me >do that. Just flat out said no way, your system sucks. > >Where I work there's a group of people some of us call the Cult of Gentoo. >While one of them is just doing it to fit in (the guy can hardly tech >Windows, which is our job), they all talk about about Gentoo's ease of use >compared to the other distros and other *NIX kernels, their arguements >inevitably lead to Gentoo's "emerge" function. I keep telling them that >FreeBSD has two very similar systems of installing programs, and it does it >about the same, downloading dependencies automatically. Not too sure if >Gentoo patches itself either. Not to mention I didn't have to go through >some huge set-up to get FreeBSD running AND FreeBSD actually detected my >NIC, which Gentoo didn't. Another guy at work and I are just getting into >FreeBSD and already we've had less issues than the guys that have been >running Gentoo since they first put it out. One of these days I'm gonna log >into "The Cult's" computers and change their desktop wallpapers to BSD >centric images. > >Viva La Revolution! :P > >-B > >P.S. >I know there may still be some linux ethusists out there on this list, this >is nothing against you or Linux, it's against just some of the kernel's >followers. I'm sure there are some who can argue this better than they can >and beat me, but eh... I'm only defending my kernel of choice from the >uninformed. 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References 1. mailto:tigertel@stl.ru 2. file://localhost/tmp/www.tiger-tele.com/pas/english/index.html --letters0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x-- --x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 16:54:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC1B37B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71C643FBD for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:54:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erichey2@attbi.com) Received: from richeypc3.home.com (12-254-23-4.client.attbi.com[12.254.23.4]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with SMTP id <20030502235403002001mph8e>; Fri, 2 May 2003 23:54:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:54:36 -0600 From: Collins Richey To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030502175436.5f4b611b.erichey2@attbi.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 5.0 problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 23:54:04 -0000 I'm finding that some progress has been made since the 4.x releases, but a few problems remain. 0. No problems with install or booting with grub (multi-boot machine). 1. At least my nic (tulip compatible) was recognized, DHCP and network services working (PING by name works). 2. My plain-ole-PS2 Logitech 3-button mouse won't work under X. The boot messages indicate that it was recognized as a PS2 mouse, and the mouse daemon works just fine. 3. My sound card(SB 16) is not recognized. Any hints for either of these problems? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area gentoo stable - ext3 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 17:47:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CDD37B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 17:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8584B43FD7 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 17:47:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HEA005XCCSZLB@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 02 May 2003 17:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 02 May 2003 17:36:23 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7M1KBJ; Fri, 02 May 2003 17:37:50 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 17:46:32 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <20030502175436.5f4b611b.erichey2@attbi.com> To: Collins Richey , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200305021746.32771.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <20030502175436.5f4b611b.erichey2@attbi.com> Subject: Re: 5.0 problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 00:47:04 -0000 On Friday 02 May 2003 04:54 pm, Collins Richey wrote: > 2. My plain-ole-PS2 Logitech 3-button mouse won't work under X. The > boot messages indicate that it was recognized as a PS2 mouse, and the > mouse daemon works just fine. I could give you the answer, but this is -newbies, where I am not supposed to. However this topic is covered in some detail in the Handbook. The answer was also briefly given to you during the install when you set up the mouse daemon, if you looked hard enough (I missed it myself the first couple of times). Hint: sysmouse. > 3. My sound card(SB 16) is not recognized. Not recognized or not working? Big difference. Redirect the question to -questions, where they know a lot more stuff. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 19:10:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9DB37B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 19:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A9C43F93 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 19:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h432AAUp032985 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 19:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h432AAkV032983 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 May 2003 19:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 19:10:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200305030210.h432AAkV032983@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 02:10:11 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 21:00:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF5537B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 21:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thalia.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3E443F75 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr364-a12.otenet.gr [195.167.109.44]) by thalia.otenet.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4340DmX015520; Sat, 3 May 2003 07:00:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4340BoP002834; Sat, 3 May 2003 07:00:12 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h43409p8002833; Sat, 3 May 2003 07:00:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 07:00:09 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Jesus Cash Message-ID: <20030503040009.GA1998@gothmog.gr> References: <20030502070845.98892.qmail@web15208.mail.bjs.yahoo.com> <3EB22E8A.FC249BF9@ovis.net> <3EB29992.9060302@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EB29992.9060302@cox.net> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another reason to like FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 04:00:28 -0000 On 2003-05-02 11:15, Jesus Cash wrote: > > Not to mention I didn't have to go through some huge set-up to get > FreeBSD running AND FreeBSD actually detected my NIC, which Gentoo > didn't. Another guy at work and I are just getting into FreeBSD and > already we've had less issues than the guys that have been running > Gentoo since they first put it out. One of these days I'm gonna log > into "The Cult's" computers and change their desktop wallpapers to BSD > centric images. Hahaha :) That's *so* Evil(TM). > Viva La Revolution! :P Viva! Viva!