From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 00:10:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7357416A4CE; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AB843D48; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:10:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9865AE090; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 76932-06; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B81EDAE05B; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031221081002.B81EDAE05B@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-11-30 - 2003-12-20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:10:20 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 06:05:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0437916A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law15-f109.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.109]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0787643D5C for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:05:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lord_edgemaster@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:05:07 -0800 Received: from 62.194.10.182 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:05:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.194.10.182] X-Originating-Email: [lord_edgemaster@hotmail.com] X-Sender: lord_edgemaster@hotmail.com From: "Jorn Argelo" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:05:07 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2003 14:05:07.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[709690B0:01C3C7CB] Subject: Installing NeverWinter Nights on FreeBSD 5.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:05:09 -0000 Hi, I've tried to install Neverwinter Nights on FreeBSD by use of the ports-tree. When I try to install the linux_nwnclient it returns this error: [jorn@localhost] /usr/ports/games/linux_nwnclient> sudo make all install clean ===> Installing for linux_nwnclient-1.30 ===> linux_nwnclient-1.30 depends on file: /compat/linux/usr/games/nwn/nwm - not found ===> Verifying install for /compat/linux/usr/games/nwn/nwm in /usr/ports/games/linux_nwndata ===> linux_nwndata-1.29 You need to download the data files manually. They are big++: 1.2 gigabyte. You can find them at ftp://jeuxlinux.com/bioware/Neverwinter_Nights/ as nwresources129.tar.gz. Copy them to /usr/ports/distfiles and run make again there.. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/games/linux_nwndata. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/games/linux_nwnclient. [jorn@nocturnal] /usr/ports/games/linux_nwnclient> So I downloaded the file nwresources129.tar.gz and placed it in /usr/ports/distfiles but it still returns the error. I've tried giving it a chmod 777, I've tried renaming it to linux_nwndata-1.29, but nothing works. If anybody got an idea I would be more then happy to hear it. I don't want to boot Windows for playing the game. Thanks in advantage, Jorn Argelo. _________________________________________________________________ Spel spelletjes met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 18:12:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DB816A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:12:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from tx1.citynet.net (tx1.citynet.net [66.118.64.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C7743D55 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:12:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from BlackBsd@Mountain.Net) Received: from Mountain.Net (dhcp-69-43-23-112.mowheel.dialup.citynet.net [69.43.23.112] (may be forged))id hBN2CAK5027755 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:12:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3FE7A47A.5070208@Mountain.Net> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:12:10 -0500 From: Brian Black User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Installing NeverWinter Nights on FreeBSD 5.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: BlackBsd@Mountain.Net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:12:13 -0000 hi, the problem might be that though u got the right files the checksum is probally different. there are ways around that tho. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 15:08:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096A116A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law11-oe57.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1363C43D45 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:08:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from konsu@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:08:09 -0800 Received: from 207.46.228.14 by law11-oe57.law11.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:08:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.46.228.14] X-Originating-Email: [konsu@hotmail.com] X-Sender: konsu@hotmail.com From: "konsu" To: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:07:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPJqZaX61fcKj3nRiSEWAAIji2VCQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2003 23:08:09.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1E521B0:01C3C9A9] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: how to set up a network? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:08:12 -0000 hello, my setup is going to be: 1. windows xp machine with NIC connected to a hub 2. freebsd machine with NIC connected to the same hub 3. the hub is connected to a dsl modem 1. i am going to use the freebsd system for web server development. but i do not want to pollute the server with unnecessary browser installations, so i would like to be able to browse to my freebsd site from IE on the windows system. but the site does not need to be visible from outside of my little network. 2. i need to be able to copy files from my freebsd machine to XP. 3. i assume that since i have a hub, my machines can connect to the internet independently. please point me to the right resources as to how to set this up. i have no clue which technology to research. do i need any extra software in addition to the basic OS setup? i would really prefer to not use any extra stuff. thanks! konstantin From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 15:55:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB25D16A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E5C43D3F for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:55:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:58:52 -0600 Message-ID: <3FE8D5C8.6040909@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:54:48 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: konsu References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2003 23:58:52.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[B79A5DC0:01C3C9B0] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to set up a network? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:55:46 -0000 konsu wrote: >hello, > >my setup is going to be: > >1. windows xp machine with NIC connected to a hub >2. freebsd machine with NIC connected to the same hub >3. the hub is connected to a dsl modem > > Hello! Be prepared to see a flame or two; the "newbies" list is not often used for technical questions. But, welcome anyhow, and I'll try to offer a word of advice. YMMV. > > >1. i am going to use the freebsd system for web server development. > but i do not want to pollute the server with unnecessary browser > installations, so i would like to be able to browse to my freebsd > site from IE on the windows system. but the site does not need to > be visible from outside of my little network. > > > I do this all the time. Trick the XP machine by putting fake info in the hosts file. IIRC, path is c:\windows\system32 \drivers\etc\hosts. Like FreeBSD*, it'll check there first. 192.168.1.1 mydevelopment.web.com >2. i need to be able to copy files from my freebsd machine to XP. > > > Enable ftp via /etc/inetd.conf. Or use an ssh(sftp) client. Or, install SAMBA. (/usr/ports/net/samba). >3. i assume that since i have a hub, my machines can connect to the > internet independently. > > I wouldn't assume that if I were you, unless the dsl modem is known to have NAT capability, or the ISP is giving you two publically routable addresses, in which case your sites will be visible from outside without specifically configuring otherwise, (say, a firewall at least). > >please point me to the right resources as to how to set this up. >i have no clue which technology to research. do i need any extra >software in addition to the basic OS setup? i would really prefer >to not use any extra stuff. > >thanks! >konstantin > > I'd definitely think of using the FBSD machine as a gateway/firewall also, as I'm assuming there will be one external IP address, and you'll need one of the computers to have that address. I could be wrong; but in my setups over here, the cable/DSL modems don't handle the NAT duties, so a router or *BSD box needs to. HTH, Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Yes, that's configurable, but it's default, right? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 15:59:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D19B16A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:59:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from imhotep.yuckfou.org (cust.89.117.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.89.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B1343D48 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:59:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nivo+sender+3564cf@yuckfou.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imhotep.yuckfou.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDAA494 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:59:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from imhotep.yuckfou.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (imhotep.yuckfou.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 58439-09 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:59:59 +0100 (CET) Received: by imhotep.yuckfou.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 22378490; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:59:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from yuckfou.org (turbata-xp [192.168.2.236]) by localhost.yuckfou.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:59:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3FE8D6E0.8040405@yuckfou.org> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:59:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030912 Thunderbird/0.3a X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nils Vogels X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0 (Cannonade) X-TMDA-Fingerprint: jLxaHMOdBSNHN0Vi7flCPIuM9C8 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at yuckfou.org Subject: Re: how to set up a network? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nils Vogels List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:59:38 -0000 konsu wrote: >hello, > >my setup is going to be: > >1. windows xp machine with NIC connected to a hub >2. freebsd machine with NIC connected to the same hub >3. the hub is connected to a dsl modem > > >1. i am going to use the freebsd system for web server development. > but i do not want to pollute the server with unnecessary browser > installations, so i would like to be able to browse to my freebsd > site from IE on the windows system. but the site does not need to > be visible from outside of my little network. > >2. i need to be able to copy files from my freebsd machine to XP. > >3. i assume that since i have a hub, my machines can connect to the > internet independently. > >please point me to the right resources as to how to set this up. >i have no clue which technology to research. do i need any extra >software in addition to the basic OS setup? i would really prefer >to not use any extra stuff. > > You will need to install the webserver on FreeBSD, since that is not part of the default OS setup. A popular one is Apache (http://www.apache.org) and the way to install it in FreeBSD is using the "ports" system. If you search on freebsd.org for ports, you will find quite a good explanation of what it is here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html The Apache port is in /usr/ports/www/apache13 or /usr/ports/www/apache2, depending on which version of Apache you want. The FTP server comes preinstalled on a FreeBSD system or else you can install one from /usr/ports/ftp if the standard gives you the creeps ;-) At that point you have everything you need as described in your email, but you do have to configure the Apache webserver on this. The Apache website (www.apache.org) has good hints and tips, and so does the default config file, which is located in /usr/local/etc/apache/ HTH, Nils. -- Simple guidelines to happiness: Work like you don't need the money, love like your heart has never been broken and dance like no one can see you. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 10:17:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B894316A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from theswamp.org (rrcs-se-24-73-208-46.biz.rr.com [24.73.208.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D8B1343D46 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:17:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark.thomas@theswamp.org) Received: (qmail 2664 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 18:17:53 -0000 X-Scanned-By: amavis-ng-0.1.6 powered by CLAMD on theswamp.org Received: from pc-00101.theswamp.org (HELO ned) (192.168.131.101) by jed.theswamp.org (192.168.131.1) with ESMTP; 24 Dec 2003 18:17:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:17:57 -0500 From: "Mark Thomas" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: JBMail Plus 3.2 Subject: tutoring a newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:17:55 -0000 Would anyone have time to do a little tutoring over the next few days? I will be installing FreeBSD on a server the 26th and need some info on some settings that I haven't found (or don't understand)in the manual or elsewhere. The computer will be used as a server/gateway for my small network. It will also serve several web sites and e-mail. Thanks -- _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign Mark Thomas X against HTML e-mail www.theswamp.org / \ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 04:46:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5034E16A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8D543D3F for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:46:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ginipig@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc6vb.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.235] helo=GINIPIG) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AZrLt-00066e-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:46:01 -0800 Message-ID: <001001c3cbad$34f72a20$6401a8c0@GINIPIG> From: "Joseph" To: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:38:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:46:03 -0000 Hi list. Merry Christmas!! This is my first post on a Freebsd Mailing List, so don't be too harsh = on me if my ettiquette isn't acceptable. Ok, I guess I'll get to the heart of this post: I'm trying to figure out how to boot 5-releng-1 alongside my 4-stable = slice. After a surprisingly successful buildworld/kernel, installworld, I used = /stand/sysinstall to fdisk/disklabel the appropriate partitions. By the = way, both slices exist on the same disk. Booting to stable was fine, however, booting to current gave me: invalid partion I was, however, able to get it to work, when I pointed the boot to = 0:ad(2,e)/boot/loader (which is the location of my current's root = partition.) I'm happy with how my current installation went, but I may have missed a = crucial step along the way. Any advice welcome From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 06:53:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472BE16A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from out7.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (out7.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D02F43D3F for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:53:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robc@execpc.com) Received: from mail0.mx.voyager.net (mail0.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.205]) by out7.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7437793286; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:53:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (nm3.mx.lnng.mi.voyager.net [216.93.38.229]) by mail0.mx.voyager.net (8.12.9/8.10.2) with ESMTP id hBQErsrv061851; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:53:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312261453.hBQErsrv061851@mail0.mx.voyager.net> From: "rob copsey" To: "Joseph" X-Mailer: CoreCommMail X-IPAddress: 169.207.169.134 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:53:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:53:56 -0000 Hi, You've posted to the wrong list (see newbie's FAK). . . Also, there are sections of the handbook that deal with this and other aspects of setting up the boot loader and partition scheme. If you still have questions after perusing the relevent sections of the handbook, please post to the questions list. Happy Holidays, Rob > Hi list. Merry Christmas!! > > This is my first post on a Freebsd Mailing List, so don't be too harsh on me if my ettiquette isn't acceptable. > > Ok, I guess I'll get to the heart of this post: > > I'm trying to figure out how to boot 5-releng-1 alongside my 4-stable slice. > > After a surprisingly successful buildworld/kernel, installworld, I used /stand/sysinstall to fdisk/disklabel the appropriate partitions. By the way, both slices exist on the same disk. > > Booting to stable was fine, however, booting to current gave me: > > invalid partion > > I was, however, able to get it to work, when I pointed the boot to 0:ad(2,e)/boot/loader (which is the location of my current's root partition.) > > I'm happy with how my current installation went, but I may have missed a crucial step along the way. > > Any advice welcome > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 07:15:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA81216A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087C043D31 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from failte@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.ca (granite-64.sentex.ca [64.7.153.1]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBQFFJHF021967 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:15:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from failte@sentex.net) Received: from 64.7.157.31 (p30xji.dsl2.sentex.ca [64.7.157.31]) by granite.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBQFFLDJ050869 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:15:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from failte@sentex.net) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:15:30 -0500 From: Trish X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1672268636.20031226101530@sentex.net> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200312261453.hBQErsrv061851@mail0.mx.voyager.net> References: <200312261453.hBQErsrv061851@mail0.mx.voyager.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re[2]: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Trish List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:15:26 -0000 Okay...I've been toying with this question for quite some time...ever since I over-optimistically subscribed to this newsgroup as a way of mentally preparing myself to do an install of freeBSD. Every time a person posts a how-to question in this group...they get directed elsewhere. Just what IS this group for? Seems to be that all you're allowed to do here is post such things as: "Hey...you're a newbie? I'M a newbie too!!!" "You're having a tough time with freeBSD? Hey...me too! But...I'll have to meet you in the OTHER newsgroup to tell you what KIND of hard time...." I've seen many people redirected, graciously, to the handbook (thank GOD there's a handbook...) and the "other" newsgroup. Wouldn't it be quicker to simply say that the freebsd-newbies group is simply another way of saying... RTFM? Seems like this should really be a group where people come in and say "Hi...I'm Bob. I just installed freeBSD" and the rest of you go..."Hi BOB!! RFTM!" and show him to the next room. Well..unless his/her name isn't Bob. Merry Christmas everybody (Happy Holidays to those of other faiths/cultures and those who are easily offended) and when I'm ready to install freeBSD...I'll know there's a handbook...and a higher power to turn to. :) In all seriousness...have appreciated the ready help that always seems available to everyone...I just don't get WTF this group is for!! :) Trish Friday, December 26, 2003, 9:53:54 AM, you wrote: rc> Hi, rc> You've posted to the wrong list (see newbie's FAK). . . rc> Also, there are sections of the handbook that deal with this rc> and other aspects of setting up the boot loader and partition rc> scheme. If you still have questions after perusing the relevent rc> sections of the handbook, please post to the questions list. rc> Happy Holidays, rc> Rob >> Hi list. Merry Christmas!! >> >> This is my first post on a Freebsd Mailing List, so don't be too rc> harsh on me if my ettiquette isn't acceptable. >> >> Ok, I guess I'll get to the heart of this post: >> >> I'm trying to figure out how to boot 5-releng-1 alongside my 4-stable rc> slice. >> >> After a surprisingly successful buildworld/kernel, installworld, I rc> used /stand/sysinstall to fdisk/disklabel the appropriate partitions. rc> By the way, both slices exist on the same disk. >> >> Booting to stable was fine, however, booting to current gave me: >> >> invalid partion >> >> I was, however, able to get it to work, when I pointed the boot to rc> 0:ad(2,e)/boot/loader (which is the location of my current's root rc> partition.) >> >> I'm happy with how my current installation went, but I may have rc> missed a crucial step along the way. >> >> Any advice welcome >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- rc> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> -- Regards, Trish mailto:failte@sentex.net From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 07:38:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C233516A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:38:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD5343D48 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:38:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ginipig@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc6vb.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.235] helo=GINIPIG) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AZu3G-0000cE-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:38:58 -0800 Message-ID: <004b01c3cbc5$5deffa70$6401a8c0@GINIPIG> From: "Joseph" To: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:31:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Thanx X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:38:59 -0000 Merry Christmas Trish :) I thought I was a newb. Eh, I'll post elsewhere. Thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 07:56:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0726A16A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out2.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (out2.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B93E43D3F for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robc@execpc.com) Received: from mail3.mx.voyager.net (mail3.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.202]) by out2.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F8128F9C; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:55:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (nm5.mx.lnng.mi.voyager.net [216.93.38.231]) by mail3.mx.voyager.net (8.12.9/8.10.2) with ESMTP id hBQFtN7l076080; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:55:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312261555.hBQFtN7l076080@mail3.mx.voyager.net> From: "rob copsey" To: Trish X-Mailer: CoreCommMail X-IPAddress: 67.52.12.10 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:55:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:56:09 -0000 Hi, Trish; This is a good question, and one that I've pondered too. I think the people who developed the charter for this list had premonitions of it becoming the "cliff notes" version of the handbook for those who would intend to bypass the learning process. So, in fairness to those who worked so hard preparing the handbook and others who donate their time writing articles and how-tos; this list isn't just a quick overview/summary. Put yourself in the shoes of those before us who have taken the initiative to give us such awesome resources at a click of the mouse, would it give them a sense of fulfillment to know that newbies were too lazy to read through the work? All I'm saying is that as new members of this community we should not burden the gurus with our day to day questions. We should exhaust every possible resource before posing a question. When we must pose a question, it should be well written and concise; it should show that we've at least taken every measure to solve the problem/issue prior to seeking assistance. Best Regards, Rob > Okay...I've been toying with this question for quite some time...ever > since I over-optimistically subscribed to this newsgroup as a way of > mentally preparing myself to do an install of freeBSD. > > Every time a person posts a how-to question in this group...they get > directed elsewhere. Just what IS this group for? Seems to be that > all you're allowed to do here is post such things as: > > "Hey...you're a newbie? I'M a newbie too!!!" > > "You're having a tough time with freeBSD? Hey...me too! But...I'll > have to meet you in the OTHER newsgroup to tell you what KIND of hard > time...." > > I've seen many people redirected, graciously, to the handbook (thank > GOD there's a handbook...) and the "other" newsgroup. Wouldn't it be > quicker to simply say that the freebsd-newbies group is simply another > way of saying... RTFM? > > Seems like this should really be a group where people come in and say > "Hi...I'm Bob. I just installed freeBSD" and the rest of you go..."Hi > BOB!! RFTM!" and show him to the next room. Well..unless his/her name > isn't Bob. > > Merry Christmas everybody (Happy Holidays to those of other > faiths/cultures and those who are easily offended) and when I'm ready to install freeBSD...I'll know there's a handbook...and > a higher power to turn to. :) > > In all seriousness...have appreciated the ready help that always seems > available to everyone...I just don't get WTF this group is for!! :) > > Trish > > Friday, December 26, 2003, 9:53:54 AM, you wrote: > > rc> Hi, > > rc> You've posted to the wrong list (see newbie's FAK). . . > > rc> Also, there are sections of the handbook that deal with this > > rc> and other aspects of setting up the boot loader and partition > > rc> scheme. If you still have questions after perusing the relevent > > rc> sections of the handbook, please post to the questions list. > > rc> Happy Holidays, > > rc> Rob > > >> Hi list. Merry Christmas!! > >> > >> This is my first post on a Freebsd Mailing List, so don't be too > rc> harsh on me if my ettiquette isn't acceptable. > >> > >> Ok, I guess I'll get to the heart of this post: > >> > >> I'm trying to figure out how to boot 5-releng-1 alongside my 4- stable > rc> slice. > >> > >> After a surprisingly successful buildworld/kernel, installworld, I > rc> used /stand/sysinstall to fdisk/disklabel the appropriate partitions. > rc> By the way, both slices exist on the same disk. > >> > >> Booting to stable was fine, however, booting to current gave me: > >> > >> invalid partion > >> > >> I was, however, able to get it to work, when I pointed the boot to > rc> 0:ad(2,e)/boot/loader (which is the location of my current's root > rc> partition.) > >> > >> I'm happy with how my current installation went, but I may have > rc> missed a crucial step along the way. > >> > >> Any advice welcome > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- > rc> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> > > > > > -- > Regards, > Trish mailto:failte@sentex.net > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 08:13:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1643C16A4CF for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6304B43D1D for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:13:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from failte@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.ca (granite-64.sentex.ca [64.7.153.1]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBQGDNHF028269; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:13:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from failte@sentex.net) Received: from 64.7.157.31 (p30xji.dsl2.sentex.ca [64.7.157.31]) by granite.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBQGDPDJ007194; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:13:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from failte@sentex.net) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:13:34 -0500 From: Trish X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <5975753247.20031226111334@sentex.net> To: "rob copsey" In-Reply-To: <200312261555.hBQFtN7l076080@mail3.mx.voyager.net> References: <200312261555.hBQFtN7l076080@mail3.mx.voyager.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re[4]: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Trish List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:13:33 -0000 Hi Rob, my post was in no way intended to denigrate the worthy efforts of those who have gone before. It just seems that any technical question has a response of read the manual and post elsewhere..so it was simply a tongue in cheek way of asking..what CAN you do here? :) Regards, Trish Friday, December 26, 2003, 10:55:23 AM, you wrote: rc> Hi, Trish; rc> This is a good question, and one that I've pondered too. rc> I think the people who developed the charter for this list rc> had premonitions of it becoming the "cliff notes" version rc> of the handbook for those who would intend to bypass the learning rc> process. So, in fairness to those who worked so hard preparing rc> the handbook and others who donate their time writing articles rc> and how-tos; this list isn't just a quick overview/summary. rc> Put yourself in the shoes of those before us who have taken rc> the initiative to give us such awesome resources at a click rc> of the mouse, would it give them a sense of fulfillment to rc> know that newbies were too lazy to read through the work? rc> All I'm saying is that as new members of this community we rc> should not burden the gurus with our day to day questions. rc> We should exhaust every possible resource before posing a rc> question. When we must pose a question, it should be well rc> written and concise; it should show that we've at least rc> taken every measure to solve the problem/issue prior to rc> seeking assistance. rc> Best Regards, rc> Rob >> Okay...I've been toying with this question for quite some time...ever >> since I over-optimistically subscribed to this newsgroup as a way of >> mentally preparing myself to do an install of freeBSD. >> >> Every time a person posts a how-to question in this group...they get >> directed elsewhere. Just what IS this group for? Seems to be that >> all you're allowed to do here is post such things as: >> >> "Hey...you're a newbie? I'M a newbie too!!!" >> >> "You're having a tough time with freeBSD? Hey...me too! But...I'll >> have to meet you in the OTHER newsgroup to tell you what KIND of hard >> time...." >> >> I've seen many people redirected, graciously, to the handbook (thank >> GOD there's a handbook...) and the "other" newsgroup. Wouldn't it be >> quicker to simply say that the freebsd-newbies group is simply another >> way of saying... RTFM? >> >> Seems like this should really be a group where people come in and say >> "Hi...I'm Bob. I just installed freeBSD" and the rest of you go..."Hi >> BOB!! RFTM!" and show him to the next room. Well..unless his/her rc> name >> isn't Bob. >> >> Merry Christmas everybody (Happy Holidays to those of other >> faiths/cultures and those who are easily offended) and when I'm ready rc> to install freeBSD...I'll know there's a handbook...and >> a higher power to turn to. :) >> >> In all seriousness...have appreciated the ready help that always seems >> available to everyone...I just don't get WTF this group is for!! :) >> >> Trish >> >> Friday, December 26, 2003, 9:53:54 AM, you wrote: >> >> rc> Hi, >> >> rc> You've posted to the wrong list (see newbie's FAK). . . >> >> rc> Also, there are sections of the handbook that deal with this >> >> rc> and other aspects of setting up the boot loader and partition >> >> rc> scheme. If you still have questions after perusing the relevent >> >> rc> sections of the handbook, please post to the questions list. >> >> rc> Happy Holidays, >> >> rc> Rob >> >> >> Hi list. Merry Christmas!! >> >> >> >> This is my first post on a Freebsd Mailing List, so don't be too >> rc> harsh on me if my ettiquette isn't acceptable. >> >> >> >> Ok, I guess I'll get to the heart of this post: >> >> >> >> I'm trying to figure out how to boot 5-releng-1 alongside my 4- rc> stable >> rc> slice. >> >> >> >> After a surprisingly successful buildworld/kernel, installworld, I >> rc> used /stand/sysinstall to fdisk/disklabel the appropriate rc> partitions. >> rc> By the way, both slices exist on the same disk. >> >> >> >> Booting to stable was fine, however, booting to current gave me: >> >> >> >> invalid partion >> >> >> >> I was, however, able to get it to work, when I pointed the boot to >> rc> 0:ad(2,e)/boot/loader (which is the location of my current's root >> rc> partition.) >> >> >> >> I'm happy with how my current installation went, but I may have >> rc> missed a crucial step along the way. >> >> >> >> Any advice welcome >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- >> rc> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Trish mailto:failte@sentex.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- rc> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> rc> _______________________________________________ rc> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list rc> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies rc> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Regards, Trish mailto:failte@sentex.net From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 09:07:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E9716A4CF for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out8.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (out8.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5F843D46 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:07:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robc@execpc.com) Received: from mail0.mx.voyager.net (mail0.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.205]) by out8.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2724C4181A; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:07:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (nm5.mx.lnng.mi.voyager.net [216.93.38.231]) by mail0.mx.voyager.net (8.12.9/8.10.2) with ESMTP id hBQH74rv030880; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:07:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312261707.hBQH74rv030880@mail0.mx.voyager.net> From: "rob copsey" To: Trish X-Mailer: CoreCommMail X-IPAddress: 67.52.12.10 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:07:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[4]: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:07:13 -0000 Trish, I don't really know what this list is for and I'm not trying to be a goody two shoes. Perhaps this list is much like a newbie in and of itself. A newbie that is looking for a place to fit in and be useful? In a strange bit of irony, Maybe we are using the list for one its intended purposes in this thread; exploring the purpose of something. I dunno, RC > Hi Rob, my post was in no way intended to denigrate the worthy efforts > of those who have gone before. It just seems that any technical > question has a response of read the manual and post elsewhere..so it > was simply a tongue in cheek way of asking..what CAN you do here? :) > > Regards, > > Trish > > Friday, December 26, 2003, 10:55:23 AM, you wrote: > > rc> Hi, Trish; > > rc> This is a good question, and one that I've pondered too. > > rc> I think the people who developed the charter for this list > > rc> had premonitions of it becoming the "cliff notes" version > > rc> of the handbook for those who would intend to bypass the learning > > rc> process. So, in fairness to those who worked so hard preparing > > rc> the handbook and others who donate their time writing articles > > rc> and how-tos; this list isn't just a quick overview/summary. > > > rc> Put yourself in the shoes of those before us who have taken > > rc> the initiative to give us such awesome resources at a click > > rc> of the mouse, would it give them a sense of fulfillment to > > rc> know that newbies were too lazy to read through the work? > > > rc> All I'm saying is that as new members of this community we > > rc> should not burden the gurus with our day to day questions. > > rc> We should exhaust every possible resource before posing a > > rc> question. When we must pose a question, it should be well > > rc> written and concise; it should show that we've at least > > rc> taken every measure to solve the problem/issue prior to > > rc> seeking assistance. > > rc> Best Regards, > rc> Rob > > >> Okay...I've been toying with this question for quite some time...ever > >> since I over-optimistically subscribed to this newsgroup as a way of > >> mentally preparing myself to do an install of freeBSD. > >> > >> Every time a person posts a how-to question in this group...they get > >> directed elsewhere. Just what IS this group for? Seems to be that > >> all you're allowed to do here is post such things as: > >> > >> "Hey...you're a newbie? I'M a newbie too!!!" > >> > >> "You're having a tough time with freeBSD? Hey...me too! But...I'll > >> have to meet you in the OTHER newsgroup to tell you what KIND of hard > >> time...." > >> > >> I've seen many people redirected, graciously, to the handbook (thank > >> GOD there's a handbook...) and the "other" newsgroup. Wouldn't it be > >> quicker to simply say that the freebsd-newbies group is simply another > >> way of saying... RTFM? > >> > >> Seems like this should really be a group where people come in and say > >> "Hi...I'm Bob. I just installed freeBSD" and the rest of you go..."Hi > >> BOB!! RFTM!" and show him to the next room. Well..unless his/her > rc> name > >> isn't Bob. > >> > >> Merry Christmas everybody (Happy Holidays to those of other > >> faiths/cultures and those who are easily offended) and when I'm ready > rc> to install freeBSD...I'll know there's a handbook...and > >> a higher power to turn to. :) > >> > >> In all seriousness...have appreciated the ready help that always seems > >> available to everyone...I just don't get WTF this group is for!! :) > >> > >> Trish > >> > >> Friday, December 26, 2003, 9:53:54 AM, you wrote: > >> > >> rc> Hi, > >> > >> rc> You've posted to the wrong list (see newbie's FAK). . . > >> > >> rc> Also, there are sections of the handbook that deal with this > >> > >> rc> and other aspects of setting up the boot loader and partition > >> > >> rc> scheme. If you still have questions after perusing the relevent > >> > >> rc> sections of the handbook, please post to the questions list. > >> > >> rc> Happy Holidays, > >> > >> rc> Rob > >> > >> >> Hi list. Merry Christmas!! > >> >> > >> >> This is my first post on a Freebsd Mailing List, so don't be too > >> rc> harsh on me if my ettiquette isn't acceptable. > >> >> > >> >> Ok, I guess I'll get to the heart of this post: > >> >> > >> >> I'm trying to figure out how to boot 5-releng-1 alongside my 4- > rc> stable > >> rc> slice. > >> >> > >> >> After a surprisingly successful buildworld/kernel, installworld, I > >> rc> used /stand/sysinstall to fdisk/disklabel the appropriate > rc> partitions. > >> rc> By the way, both slices exist on the same disk. > >> >> > >> >> Booting to stable was fine, however, booting to current gave me: > >> >> > >> >> invalid partion > >> >> > >> >> I was, however, able to get it to work, when I pointed the boot to > >> rc> 0:ad(2,e)/boot/loader (which is the location of my current's root > >> rc> partition.) > >> >> > >> >> I'm happy with how my current installation went, but I may have > >> rc> missed a crucial step along the way. > >> >> > >> >> Any advice welcome > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- > >> rc> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards, > >> Trish mailto:failte@sentex.net > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- > rc> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > > rc> _______________________________________________ > rc> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > rc> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > rc> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > Regards, > Trish mailto:failte@sentex.net > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 09:08:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C0416A4D1 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F2F43D58 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:08:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from 24-116-60-169.cpe.cableone.net (unverified [24.116.60.169]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 32721 for multiple; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:01:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:08:47 -0600 (CST) From: Lute Mullenix X-X-Sender: lute@agnes To: Trish In-Reply-To: <5975753247.20031226111334@sentex.net> Message-ID: <20031226103558.B49661@agnes> References: <200312261555.hBQFtN7l076080@mail3.mx.voyager.net> <5975753247.20031226111334@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: rob copsey Subject: Re[4]: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:08:46 -0000 Hi Trish & Rob, >From what I have gathered from the past couple of years of watching this list is it's for the newbies that want to share their triumphs and defeats with FBSD. Also to lend moral support to others. In a way I feel lucky that I got into computing before the mass support thing was in place, and I was running an obscure OS (Microware's OS-9), and when there was a problem all one could do is RTFM, so it's an automatic starting place for me. However I do have to ask questions from time to time, because I just can't figure it out from the handbook and have found the questions list, and news groups quite helpful in these cases. Guess what I'm trying to say here is if you want to run a free, open source OS on your machine, you should be prepared to do some work yourself. These people have given of their time and talents got offer a wonderful OS, and significant helps resources. As users the least we can do is learn to use what is already in place. A while back I posted that there was finally a victory in my long running battle to get CUPS working on my machine, which actually came from one of the news groups. When asked what I did, in a private email I explained what I did and what resources I utilized, with the disclaimer this is what I did, it may not work for you. But if memory serves me on the list I said that these types of questions should be directed to the questions list. So just because the answer is not posted here does not always mean that help is not offered. Hope this didn't sound like I am standing on a soap box, it's just my personal opinions and observations. The main thing is to have fun with FBSD, and I do. Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ On Fri, 26 Dec 2003, Trish wrote: > Hi Rob, my post was in no way intended to denigrate the worthy efforts > of those who have gone before. It just seems that any technical > question has a response of read the manual and post elsewhere..so it > was simply a tongue in cheek way of asking..what CAN you do here? :) > > Regards, > > Trish > {big ol snip} From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 09:50:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678FE16A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC32943D4C for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:50:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ginipig@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc6vb.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.235] helo=GINIPIG) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AZw6u-0005Yj-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:50:52 -0800 Message-ID: <001601c3cbd7$cbbdb300$6401a8c0@GINIPIG> From: "Joseph" To: References: <200312261555.hBQFtN7l076080@mail3.mx.voyager.net> <5975753247.20031226111334@sentex.net> <20031226103558.B49661@agnes> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:43:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re[4]: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:50:54 -0000 I light of the ensuing discussion on this list, I gracefully retract my question. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lute Mullenix" To: "Trish" Cc: ; "rob copsey" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: Re[4]: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader > Hi Trish & Rob, > > >From what I have gathered from the past couple of years of watching this > list is it's for the newbies that want to share their triumphs and defeats > with FBSD. Also to lend moral support to others. > > In a way I feel lucky that I got into computing before the mass support > thing was in place, and I was running an obscure OS (Microware's OS-9), > and when there was a problem all one could do is RTFM, so it's an > automatic starting place for me. However I do have to ask questions from > time to time, because I just can't figure it out from the handbook and > have found the questions list, and news groups quite helpful in these > cases. Guess what I'm trying to say here is if you want to run a free, > open source OS on your machine, you should be prepared to do some work > yourself. These people have given of their time and talents got offer a > wonderful OS, and significant helps resources. As users the least we can > do is learn to use what is already in place. > > A while back I posted that there was finally a victory in my long running > battle to get CUPS working on my machine, which actually came from one of > the news groups. When asked what I did, in a private email I explained > what I did and what resources I utilized, with the disclaimer this is what > I did, it may not work for you. But if memory serves me on the list I said > that these types of questions should be directed to the questions list. So > just because the answer is not posted here does not always mean that help > is not offered. > > Hope this didn't sound like I am standing on a soap box, it's just my > personal opinions and observations. The main thing is to have fun with > FBSD, and I do. > > > Lute > > ************************ > * Power Provided * > * by * > * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * > ************************ > On Fri, 26 Dec 2003, Trish wrote: > > > Hi Rob, my post was in no way intended to denigrate the worthy efforts > > of those who have gone before. It just seems that any technical > > question has a response of read the manual and post elsewhere..so it > > was simply a tongue in cheek way of asking..what CAN you do here? :) > > > > Regards, > > > > Trish > > > {big ol snip} > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 19:10:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283B016A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF8543D3F for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:10:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) hBR3AJFR017271 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:10:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBR3AJ3A017270 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:10:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200312270310.hBR3AJ3A017270@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:10:22 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 09:46:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F6116A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2851843D58 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:46:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:49:43 -0600 Message-ID: <3FEDC542.3030301@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:45:38 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Trish References: <200312261555.hBQFtN7l076080@mail3.mx.voyager.net> <5975753247.20031226111334@sentex.net> In-Reply-To: <5975753247.20031226111334@sentex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2003 17:49:44.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF997ED0:01C3CCA1] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: rob copsey Subject: Model Posting (was Re: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:46:36 -0000 Trish wrote: >Hi Rob, my post was in no way intended to denigrate the worthy efforts >of those who have gone before. It just seems that any technical >question has a response of read the manual and post elsewhere..so it >was simply a tongue in cheek way of asking..what CAN you do here? :) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Regards, > >Trish > > > <> Yeah, good question. What's newbies@ supposed to look like, sound like, and what are the subscribers supposed to say?? Maybe something like this?? ======================================== Dear FreeBSD Newbies: {$greeting}! My name is {$name} and I just wanted to say {$expression} to {$person||$persons}for {$reason}. Until {$datestamp} I was using {$alt-OS} /* see note below */ at {$location} for my {$hobby||$work||$obsession}. Now I've got FreeBSD installed and it's {$adjective1}. I think {$bug||$feature} is really {$adjective2} and I've also had {$adjective3}luck with {$portname} and {$portname2} /* optional troll bait */ which is as good or better than {$Winapp||$GNUapp}, IMO. I have been having some {$adjective4} getting my {$hardware} to {$verb} with the GENERIC kernel, and {$software} won't {$verb2} at all, but I think a little more {$noun}and it'll be {$adjective5} Anyone else had any {$noun2}like this?? Ah, well, soon I hope to do {$verb3||$amazing-feat} using only FBSD & {$obscure-hardware||$obscure-software}. Any newbies out there who are interested in {$noun3} give me a holler and maybe we can {$verb4}. FreeBSD {$verb5|| echo "forever"}!! __________________ <<.sig file>> ================================================= **Roll two dice; if you get double sixes, put any OS name here, otherwise it must be a software product of the current "Evil Empire"..... :-) Kevin Kinsey