From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 17:27:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 729) id E9EA316A542; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:27:05 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Jonathan Mini In-Reply-To: Message from Jonathan Mini Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20031117012705.E9EA316A542@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:27:05 -0800 (PST) From: jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG (Joseph Koshy) cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [New Project] Support for hardware performance counters under FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:27:06 -0000 Jonathan, > This is something that has been on my todo list as well, so this is good > news! Great! > Are you familiar with the oprofile project for Linux? I am aware of "oprofile". I've also (briefly) looked at "perfctr", "prospect" and the "rabbit" library. Regards, Koshy From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 22:55:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28F016A4CE for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from f4.mail.ru (f4.mail.ru [194.67.57.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42F043FDD for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:55:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from h-k@mail.ru) Received: from [213.247.182.194] (port=4201 helo=213.247.182.194) by f4.mail.ru with esmtp id 1AMijH-0007Rz-00 for freebsd-performance@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:55:51 +0300 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:55:58 +0300 From: dawnshade X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00) CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13171322518.20031120095558@mail.ru> To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected Subject: Stupid question about GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dawnshade List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:55:57 -0000 Hello All, One question: i tuned GEOM encryption on IDE drive, but it works too slow (as described in paper ~20% of real speed), if i install SCSI drive (with controller, of course) it will be work faster? I think that will, but need your opinion to confirm. ---------- Best regards, dawnshade mailto:h-k@mail.ru From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 10:02:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEFF16A4D0 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396BF43FEC for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:02:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:brdavis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hAKI2ebf014414; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:02:40 -0800 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id hAKI2dxa014413; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:02:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:02:39 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: dawnshade Message-ID: <20031120180239.GA5497@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <13171322518.20031120095558@mail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <13171322518.20031120095558@mail.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stupid question about GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:02:44 -0000 --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 09:55:58AM +0300, dawnshade wrote: > One question: i tuned GEOM encryption on IDE drive, but it works too > slow (as described in paper ~20% of real speed), if i install SCSI > drive (with controller, of course) it will be work faster? > I think that will, but need your opinion to confirm. This is extreamly unlikely. The overhead is due to the encryption not the disk. Eventually, hardware acceleration of AES encryption should help, but that is not integrated into GBE yet. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/vQG+XY6L6fI4GtQRAn09AJ0XXQ8VfAuR53A3z5VeAiYTwjFvCACgpIXO UsBJQV+VUifUvMTyvnZDbps= =NPAd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP-- From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 23:59:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6868016A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:59:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from web40408.mail.yahoo.com (web40408.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ACC5243FE5 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:59:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hazecast@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20031121075957.13731.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.177.22.186] by web40408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:59:57 PST Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:59:57 -0800 (PST) From: "apellido jr., wilfredo p" To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: FreeBSD data size tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:59:58 -0000 Hello, I have PIII 500 with 1GB of RAM on 4.9-RELEASE running Squid 2.5-STABLE4 and I got this error after a few hours of Squid running. proxy (squid): xmalloc: Unable to allocate 65535 bytes! According to Squid FAQ 8.7 xmalloc: Unable to allocate 4096 bytes! by Henrik Nordstrom Messages like "FATAL: xcalloc: Unable to allocate 4096 blocks of 1 bytes!" appear when Squid can't allocate more memory, and on most operating systems (inclusive BSD) there are only two possible reasons: 1. The machine is out of swap 2. The process' maximum data segment size has been reached I got 2500MB swap file and isnt used when i try to use the cmd top. How do i recompile a kernel with larger datasize settings? here's the options that i added im my kernel maxusers 128 options USER_LDT options DUMMYNET options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100 options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT options IPDIVERT options HZ=80 options NMBCLUSTERS=65536 sysctl.conf vfs.vmiodirenable=1 kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152 kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 kern.ipc.maxsockets=16424 kern.maxfiles=65536 kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65535 net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65535 net.inet.udp.recvspace=65535 net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 net.local.stream.recvspace=65535 net.local.stream.sendspace=65535 loader.conf userconfig_script_load="YES" hw.ata.wc="1" Squid Configuration cache_mem 384 thanks very much .... ===== wilfredo pahilanga apellido jr. technical support mactan online bacolod city, philippines +63 34 4348311 If you can't hear me, it's because i'm in parentheses. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 00:58:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B845516A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from silver.he.iki.fi (helenius.fi [193.64.42.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A7D43FDD for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:58:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@he.iki.fi) Received: from he.iki.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by silver.he.iki.fi (8.12.9p2/8.11.4) with ESMTP id hAL8whgr053491; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:58:43 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from pete@he.iki.fi) Message-ID: <3FBDD3A5.6020404@he.iki.fi> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:58:13 +0200 From: Petri Helenius User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "apellido jr., wilfredo p" References: <20031121075957.13731.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031121075957.13731.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD data size tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:58:47 -0000 Add MAXDSIZ and DFLDSIZ to your kernel configuration. They default to 512M (you need to put in numbers, I donīt think they'll take 1024M or so) Pete apellido jr., wilfredo p wrote: >Hello, > >I have PIII 500 with 1GB of RAM on 4.9-RELEASE >running Squid 2.5-STABLE4 and I got this error after a >few hours of Squid running. > >proxy (squid): xmalloc: Unable to allocate 65535 >bytes! > >According to Squid FAQ > >8.7 xmalloc: Unable to allocate 4096 bytes! >by Henrik Nordstrom > > >Messages like "FATAL: xcalloc: Unable to allocate 4096 >blocks of 1 bytes!" appear when Squid can't allocate >more memory, and on most operating systems (inclusive >BSD) there are only two possible reasons: > >1. The machine is out of swap >2. The process' maximum data segment size has been >reached > >I got 2500MB swap file and isnt used when i try to use >the cmd top. How do i recompile a kernel with larger >datasize settings? > >here's the options that i added im my kernel > >maxusers 128 >options USER_LDT >options DUMMYNET >options IPFIREWALL >options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE >options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100 >options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD >options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT >options IPDIVERT >options HZ=80 >options NMBCLUSTERS=65536 > >sysctl.conf > >vfs.vmiodirenable=1 >kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152 >kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 >kern.ipc.maxsockets=16424 >kern.maxfiles=65536 >kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 >net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 >net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 >net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65535 >net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65535 >net.inet.udp.recvspace=65535 >net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 >net.local.stream.recvspace=65535 >net.local.stream.sendspace=65535 > > >loader.conf > >userconfig_script_load="YES" >hw.ata.wc="1" > > >Squid Configuration > >cache_mem 384 > > >thanks very much .... > > >===== >wilfredo pahilanga apellido jr. >technical support >mactan online >bacolod city, philippines >+63 34 4348311 > >If you can't hear me, it's because i'm in parentheses. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >http://companion.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-performance@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-performance >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-performance-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 01:52:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B2316A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from wipmail.com.br (200-171-107-246.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.171.107.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B2143F75 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:52:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tec@mega.net.br) Received: from admin.mega.net.br wsrv.mega.net.br by matik.com.br (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 45-md50000000154.tmp for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:28:53 -0300 X-Originating-IP: [200.152.81.43] From: "TEC Meganet" To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:52:33 +0000 Message-ID: <20031121.Cs4.47658300@admin.mega.net.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: AngleMail for phpGroupWare (http://www.phpgroupware.org) v 0.9.99.006 X-Lookup-Warning: HELO/EHLO lookup on admin.mega.net.br does not match 200.152.83.39 X-Return-Path: tec@mega.net.br X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-Spam-Processed: mega.net.br, Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:28:57 -0300 Subject: Re: FreeBSD data size tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: tec@mega.net.br List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:52:44 -0000 Hi if you had 4.8 before and the problem didnt exist then may be you should downgrade. It seems there is a memory issue in 4.9 where they adapted 5.x things to 4.9 and this stuff is still in development. I have a lot of this machines and neevr had such a message. The BSd people suggest not using 4.9 in production servers. may be you could check your squid.conf memory settings also. averall I do not know if you use the right configuration here. If you have 1GB of RAM and using 2500MB of swap on ide disk, I dont know ... Any swap use makes your machine slow, if you really need 2500MB of swap with 1GB of RAM you must have a haevy cache server. With 1GB of RAM you should be able to run squid without any swapuse at all and when squid starts using swap you should put more RAM in it our downsize squid.conf memory settings the sysctl settings here I believe that if youre not running a parent cache the increased udp settings do not make so much sense Setting max files do the 65535 and maxperproc makes sense only if you have another heavy file eater running, but if you have a squid server set both values closer together my experience that you can set cache_mem to best fit at 25% of your RAM, so I believe 256 or 196 should be good for 1GB of RAM Petri Helenius (pete@he.iki.fi) wrote*: > >Add MAXDSIZ and DFLDSIZ to your kernel configuration. They default to 512M >(you need to put in numbers, I donīt think they'll take 1024M or so) > >Pete > > >apellido jr., wilfredo p wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>I have PIII 500 with 1GB of RAM on 4.9-RELEASE >>running Squid 2.5-STABLE4 and I got this error after a >>few hours of Squid running. >> >>proxy (squid): xmalloc: Unable to allocate 65535 >>bytes! >> >>According to Squid FAQ >> >>8.7 xmalloc: Unable to allocate 4096 bytes! >>by Henrik Nordstrom >> >> >>Messages like "FATAL: xcalloc: Unable to allocate 4096 >>blocks of 1 bytes!" appear when Squid can't allocate >>more memory, and on most operating systems (inclusive >>BSD) there are only two possible reasons: >> >>1. The machine is out of swap >>2. The process' maximum data segment size has been >>reached >> >>I got 2500MB swap file and isnt used when i try to use >>the cmd top. How do i recompile a kernel with larger >>datasize settings? >> >>here's the options that i added im my kernel >> >>maxusers 128 >>options USER_LDT >>options DUMMYNET >>options IPFIREWALL >>options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE >>options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100 >>options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD >>options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT >>options IPDIVERT >>options HZ=80 >>options NMBCLUSTERS=65536 >> >>sysctl.conf >> >>vfs.vmiodirenable=1 >>kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152 >>kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 >>kern.ipc.maxsockets=16424 >>kern.maxfiles=65536 >>kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 >>net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 >>net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 >>net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65535 >>net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65535 >>net.inet.udp.recvspace=65535 >>net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 >>net.local.stream.recvspace=65535 >>net.local.stream.sendspace=65535 >> >> >>loader.conf >> >>userconfig_script_load="YES" >>hw.ata.wc="1" >> >> >>Squid Configuration >> >>cache_mem 384 >> >> >>thanks very much .... >> >> >>===== >>wilfredo pahilanga apellido jr. >>technical support >>mactan online >>bacolod city, philippines >>+63 34 4348311 >> >>If you can't hear me, it's because i'm in parentheses. >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >>http://companion.yahoo.com/ >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-performance@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-performance >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-performance-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-performance@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-performance >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-performance-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 03:12:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733D316A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (meitner.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.129.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668A443FD7 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:12:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (pc2-105.intern.meitner [10.3.12.105]) by meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A820167587; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiste.my.domain (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hALBCARi006728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock Organization: FreeBSD To: tec@mega.net.br, freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:12:03 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20031121.Cs4.47658300@admin.mega.net.br> In-Reply-To: <20031121.Cs4.47658300@admin.mega.net.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_JMfv/NRiKjCsxjw"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200311211212.10000.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: Re: FreeBSD data size tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:12:15 -0000 --Boundary-02=_JMfv/NRiKjCsxjw Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: signed data Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 21 November 2003 10:52, TEC Meganet wrote: > The BSd people suggest not using 4.9 > in production servers. They do? =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --Boundary-02=_JMfv/NRiKjCsxjw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA/vfMJXhc68WspdLARAo6tAJ4m/jUvv2SIxl+v05iSei6FCijO0wCdHhVH hYTGuVwjmMLvwzayPGjd1rg= =yF1x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_JMfv/NRiKjCsxjw-- From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 04:21:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C1C16A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.online.bg (gandalf.online.bg [217.75.128.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0505F43FE1 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:21:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roam@ringlet.net) Received: (qmail 27848 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 12:19:36 -0000 Received: from office.sbnd.net (HELO straylight.ringlet.net) (217.75.140.130) by gandalf.online.bg with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 12:19:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 67648 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Nov 2003 12:21:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:21:04 +0200 From: Peter Pentchev To: Michael Nottebrock Message-ID: <20031121122104.GT300@straylight.m.ringlet.net> References: <20031121.Cs4.47658300@admin.mega.net.br> <200311211212.10000.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="R+Rs1qz93vBJxC1z" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200311211212.10000.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i cc: tec@mega.net.br cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD data size tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:21:11 -0000 --R+Rs1qz93vBJxC1z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 12:12:03PM +0100, Michael Nottebrock wrote: Content-Description: signed data > On Friday 21 November 2003 10:52, TEC Meganet wrote: > > The BSd people suggest not using 4.9 > > in production servers. >=20 > They do? No. Or at least, I know of no such thing, and it would be interesting to learn where and who and how has anything like that been suggested :) G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@sbnd.net roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 If the meanings of 'true' and 'false' were switched, then this sentence wou= ldn't be false. --R+Rs1qz93vBJxC1z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/vgMw7Ri2jRYZRVMRAgjAAJ9uoCQuqNfEWM2TJ7VxXgmijKBbmwCgpGKk S/VDHJAFJiyAgX7ENyetbsY= =QSgK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --R+Rs1qz93vBJxC1z-- From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 05:01:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A5316A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from wipmail.com.br (200-171-107-246.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.171.107.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6AC43FB1 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tec@mega.net.br) Received: from admin.mega.net.br wsrv.mega.net.br by matik.com.br (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 6-md50000000157.tmp for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:37:03 -0300 X-Originating-IP: [200.152.81.43] From: "TEC Meganet" To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:00:43 +0000 Message-ID: <20031121.cyV.23876100@admin.mega.net.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: AngleMail for phpGroupWare (http://www.phpgroupware.org) v 0.9.99.006 X-Lookup-Warning: HELO/EHLO lookup on admin.mega.net.br does not match 200.152.83.39 X-Return-Path: tec@mega.net.br X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-Spam-Processed: mega.net.br, Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:37:06 -0300 Subject: Re: FreeBSD data size tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: tec@mega.net.br List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:01:13 -0000 it's here http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/announce.html Peter Pentchev (roam@ringlet.net) wrote*: > >On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 12:12:03PM +0100, Michael Nottebrock wrote: >Content-Description: signed data >> On Friday 21 November 2003 10:52, TEC Meganet wrote: >> > The BSd people suggest not using 4.9 >> > in production servers. >> >> They do? > >No. Or at least, I know of no such thing, and it would be interesting >to learn where and who and how has anything like that been suggested :) > >G'luck, >Peter > > > From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 06:08:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB6216A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980D143FA3 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:08:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hALE8m6T027763; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:08:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3FBE1C67.9060506@centtech.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:08:39 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tec@mega.net.br References: <20031121.cyV.23876100@admin.mega.net.br> In-Reply-To: <20031121.cyV.23876100@admin.mega.net.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD data size tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:08:51 -0000 TEC Meganet wrote: >it's here >http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/announce.html > It says: "We encourage all our users to evaluate FreeBSD 5.1 and the upcoming 5.2. Because PAE support has only been a feature in 4.X for a few months, it has not received wide-spread testing, and our most conservative users may wish to stay with FreeBSD 4.8 until they choose to migrate to 5.X." Which is a lot different than: "The BSd people suggest not using 4.9in production servers." >Peter Pentchev (roam@ringlet.net) wrote*: > > >>On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 12:12:03PM +0100, Michael Nottebrock wrote: >>Content-Description: signed data >> >> >>>On Friday 21 November 2003 10:52, TEC Meganet wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The BSd people suggest not using 4.9 >>>>in production servers. >>>> >>>> >>>They do? >>> >>> >>No. Or at least, I know of no such thing, and it would be interesting >>to learn where and who and how has anything like that been suggested :) >> >> Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology All generalizations are false, including this one. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 06:34:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E7B16A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from c7.campus.utcluj.ro (c7.campus.utcluj.ro [193.226.6.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A656D43F3F for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:34:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veedee@c7.campus.utcluj.ro) Received: (qmail 56989 invoked by uid 1008); 21 Nov 2003 14:34:40 -0000 From: veedee@c7.campus.utcluj.ro Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:34:40 +0200 To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031121143440.GA56854@c7.campus.utcluj.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: promise sx4000 drivers X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:34:43 -0000 Hello, After reading Sorren's message from http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-performance/2003-July/000400.html I noticed that the sx4000 drivers were work in progress. I was wondering if there is any beta version of them available. We would really like to purchase the Promise SX4000 IDE RAID adapter card, but we're not going to until it is supported in FreeBSD. We couldn't find any other cheaper controller card with hardware RAID (and also RAID5 might prove effective). Also, in terms of performance does anyone knows how well Promise stacks up with the "almighty" Adaptec? Or 3ware for that instance. Thank you in advance. -- | Radu Bogdan 'veedee' Rusu | NetSysAdm at campus dot utcluj dot ro | Personal gallery at http://rrb.so.ro/gallery/ | ...mirroring FreeBSD and coffee From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 06:42:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F211216A4CF for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from wipmail.com.br (200-171-107-246.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.171.107.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85B143FB1 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:42:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tec@mega.net.br) Received: from admin.mega.net.br wsrv.mega.net.br by matik.com.br (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 13-md50000000159.tmp for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:18:57 -0300 X-Originating-IP: [200.152.81.43] From: "TEC Meganet" To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:42:37 +0000 Message-ID: <20031121.EbN.16579100@admin.mega.net.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: AngleMail for phpGroupWare (http://www.phpgroupware.org) v 0.9.99.006 X-Lookup-Warning: HELO/EHLO lookup on admin.mega.net.br does not match 200.152.83.39 X-Return-Path: tec@mega.net.br X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-Spam-Processed: mega.net.br, Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:18:58 -0300 Subject: Re: FreeBSD data size tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: tec@mega.net.br List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:42:54 -0000 now you're touching the art of speaking and understanding ... certainly also a performance so it fits well here :) if the maker of the software says stay with the old one until the newer one is ready it is for me a very clear statement, special in context with talking about PAE or the writer should learn to write better ... Eric Anderson (anderson@centtech.com) wrote*: > >TEC Meganet wrote: > >>it's here >>http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/announce.html >> > >It says: >"We encourage all our users to evaluate FreeBSD 5.1 and the upcoming >5.2. Because PAE support has only been a feature in 4.X for a few >months, it has not received wide-spread testing, and our most >conservative users may wish to stay with FreeBSD 4.8 until they choose >to migrate to 5.X." > >Which is a lot different than: > > "The BSd people suggest not using 4.9in production servers." > >>Peter Pentchev (roam@ringlet.net) wrote*: >> >> >>>On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 12:12:03PM +0100, Michael Nottebrock wrote: >>>Content-Description: signed data >>> >>> >>>>On Friday 21 November 2003 10:52, TEC Meganet wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>The BSd people suggest not using 4.9 >>>>>in production servers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>They do? >>>> >>>> >>>No. Or at least, I know of no such thing, and it would be interesting >>>to learn where and who and how has anything like that been suggested :) >>> >>> > >Eric > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology >All generalizations are false, including this one. >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 07:04:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1598B16A4CF for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B4D4400D for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:03:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hALF3q6T035033; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:03:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3FBE294F.2060907@centtech.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:03:43 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tec@mega.net.br References: <20031121.EbN.16579100@admin.mega.net.br> In-Reply-To: <20031121.EbN.16579100@admin.mega.net.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD data size tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:04:00 -0000 TEC Meganet wrote: >now you're touching the art of speaking and understanding ... certainly also a >performance so it fits well here :) > >if the maker of the software says stay with the old one until the newer one is >ready it is for me a very clear statement, special in context with talking about >PAE > >or the writer should learn to write better ... > This is one of those "subject to interpretation" things. I read the "our most conservative users" to mean "our users who never apply patches or upgrade until they are 6 months old". Plus, if you notice, they are saying "use 5.1, 5.2, 4.9, or if you are paranoid, stick with 4.8" - and I understand, it's basically the same thing I tell a user who is prone to complain about every change or bump when moving to something newer. For those users, I say "if you don't like the pain of change, don't change". I can't argue with your interpretation - it's perfectly valid. So - use 4.8. Eric >Eric Anderson (anderson@centtech.com) wrote*: > > >>TEC Meganet wrote: >> >> >> >>>it's here >>>http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/announce.html >>> >>> >>> >>It says: >>"We encourage all our users to evaluate FreeBSD 5.1 and the upcoming >>5.2. Because PAE support has only been a feature in 4.X for a few >>months, it has not received wide-spread testing, and our most >>conservative users may wish to stay with FreeBSD 4.8 until they choose >>to migrate to 5.X." >> >>Which is a lot different than: >> >>"The BSd people suggest not using 4.9in production servers." >> >> >> >>>Peter Pentchev (roam@ringlet.net) wrote*: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 12:12:03PM +0100, Michael Nottebrock wrote: >>>>Content-Description: signed data >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Friday 21 November 2003 10:52, TEC Meganet wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The BSd people suggest not using 4.9 >>>>>>in production servers. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>They do? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>No. Or at least, I know of no such thing, and it would be interesting >>>>to learn where and who and how has anything like that been suggested :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology All generalizations are false, including this one. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 07:16:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57C516A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from f4.mail.ru (f4.mail.ru [194.67.57.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2351D43FD7 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:16:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from h-k@mail.ru) Received: from [213.247.182.194] (port=4194 helo=213.247.182.194) by f4.mail.ru with esmtp id 1AND1a-0005a0-00; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:16:46 +0300 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:16:57 +0300 From: dawnshade X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00) CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <17287781197.20031121181657@mail.ru> To: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmFzbXVzIEJy+GdnZXI=?= In-Reply-To: <20031121145858.GA29410@balder.sektornet.dk> References: <13171322518.20031120095558@mail.ru> <20031121145858.GA29410@balder.sektornet.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam: Not detected cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: Stupid question about GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dawnshade List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:16:49 -0000 Hello Rasmus, Friday, November 21, 2003, 5:58:58 PM, you wrote: RB> On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 09:55:58AM +0300, dawnshade wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> One question: i tuned GEOM encryption on IDE drive, but it works too >> slow (as described in paper ~20% of real speed), if i install SCSI >> drive (with controller, of course) it will be work faster? >> I think that will, but need your opinion to confirm. >> RB> Did you enable softupdates on you partition on eg. ad0s1c.bde disk? RB> /rhb No. it need umount drive first. i can't do it now - users use data on it. And exist other side this question: soft-updates on -CURRENT??? ---------- Best regards, dawnshade mailto:h-k@mail.ru From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 07:36:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EA416A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from wipmail.com.br (200-171-107-246.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.171.107.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD8F43F3F for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:36:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tec@mega.net.br) Received: from admin.mega.net.br wsrv.mega.net.br by matik.com.br (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 60-md50000000159.tmp for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:12:20 -0300 X-Originating-IP: [200.152.81.43] From: "TEC Meganet" To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:35:59 +0000 Message-ID: <20031121.xr9.90600300@admin.mega.net.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: AngleMail for phpGroupWare (http://www.phpgroupware.org) v 0.9.99.006 X-Lookup-Warning: HELO/EHLO lookup on admin.mega.net.br does not match 200.152.83.39 X-Return-Path: tec@mega.net.br X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-Spam-Processed: mega.net.br, Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:12:22 -0300 Subject: Re: FreeBSD data size tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: tec@mega.net.br List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:36:06 -0000 Dear Eric I must disagree, nobody is speaking about paranoid or patches. Conservative may have a lot of interpretations but it is the secure way. You should know what the pioneers get into their backs, so in production, at leat a responsible IT manager, can not risk to catch arrows. May be we have a different understanding about production server, it is not the machine with internet access and crisscrossing trying patches or whatever. I am writing this on a 4.9 box but my internet server are rock stable 4.8 servers which I will upgrade when I saw with my own eyes 4.9ers holding a bunch of php requests, sql traffic, hack tries, icmp floods and resets and all this wired things. Until the vendor suggest for whatever reason wait for a newer version then - for me - there is nothing clearer. So what I want to state here is that each one may have different interpretations, because of his skills or his time or his responsibilities. But at the end production means production and it is that what machines have to do, each minute down is money away. And - somebody had a problem and I only gave my personal opinion. Please accept mine like I accept yours. Eric Anderson (anderson@centtech.com) wrote*: > >TEC Meganet wrote: > >>now you're touching the art of speaking and understanding ... certainly also a >>performance so it fits well here :) >> >>if the maker of the software says stay with the old one until the newer one is >>ready it is for me a very clear statement, special in context with talking about >>PAE >> >>or the writer should learn to write better ... >> >This is one of those "subject to interpretation" things. I read the >"our most conservative users" to mean "our users who never apply patches >or upgrade until they are 6 months old". Plus, if you notice, they are >saying "use 5.1, 5.2, 4.9, or if you are paranoid, stick with 4.8" - and >I understand, it's basically the same thing I tell a user who is prone >to complain about every change or bump when moving to something newer. >For those users, I say "if you don't like the pain of change, don't change". > >I can't argue with your interpretation - it's perfectly valid. So - use >4.8. > >Eric > > > >>Eric Anderson (anderson@centtech.com) wrote*: >> >> >>>TEC Meganet wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>it's here >>>>http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/announce.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>It says: >>>"We encourage all our users to evaluate FreeBSD 5.1 and the upcoming >>>5.2. Because PAE support has only been a feature in 4.X for a few >>>months, it has not received wide-spread testing, and our most >>>conservative users may wish to stay with FreeBSD 4.8 until they choose >>>to migrate to 5.X." >>> >>>Which is a lot different than: >>> >>>"The BSd people suggest not using 4.9in production servers." >>> >>> >>> >>>>Peter Pentchev (roam@ringlet.net) wrote*: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 12:12:03PM +0100, Michael Nottebrock wrote: >>>>>Content-Description: signed data >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On Friday 21 November 2003 10:52, TEC Meganet wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>The BSd people suggest not using 4.9 >>>>>>>in production servers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>They do? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>No. Or at least, I know of no such thing, and it would be interesting >>>>>to learn where and who and how has anything like that been suggested :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology >All generalizations are false, including this one. >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-performance@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-performance >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-performance-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 11:09:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C4016A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from silver.he.iki.fi (helenius.fi [193.64.42.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1A843FCB for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:09:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@he.iki.fi) Received: from he.iki.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by silver.he.iki.fi (8.12.9p2/8.11.4) with ESMTP id hALJ9Ugr056135; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:09:30 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from pete@he.iki.fi) Message-ID: <3FBE62CB.9000804@he.iki.fi> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:08:59 +0200 From: Petri Helenius User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: veedee@c7.campus.utcluj.ro References: <20031121143440.GA56854@c7.campus.utcluj.ro> In-Reply-To: <20031121143440.GA56854@c7.campus.utcluj.ro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: promise sx4000 drivers X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:09:35 -0000 veedee@c7.campus.utcluj.ro wrote: >Also, in terms of performance does anyone knows how well Promise stacks up >with the "almighty" Adaptec? Or 3ware for that instance. > > > Please bother RAIDcore, so the most performant ATA raid controller would get FreeBSD drivers someday. Pete From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 11:33:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E572416A4CF for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from c7.campus.utcluj.ro (c7.campus.utcluj.ro [193.226.6.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81F2243FB1 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:33:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veedee@c7.campus.utcluj.ro) Received: (qmail 66614 invoked by uid 1008); 21 Nov 2003 19:33:27 -0000 From: veedee@c7.campus.utcluj.ro Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:33:26 +0200 To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031121193326.GA66458@c7.campus.utcluj.ro> References: <20031121143440.GA56854@c7.campus.utcluj.ro> <3FBE62CB.9000804@he.iki.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FBE62CB.9000804@he.iki.fi> Subject: Re: promise sx4000 drivers X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:33:30 -0000 On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 09:08:59PM +0200, Petri Helenius wrote: > veedee@c7.campus.utcluj.ro wrote: > > >Also, in terms of performance does anyone knows how well Promise stacks up > >with the "almighty" Adaptec? Or 3ware for that instance. > > > > > > > Please bother RAIDcore, so the most performant ATA raid controller would > get FreeBSD > drivers someday. You meant this one? http://www.raidcore.net/raid_controllers.html Hmm, looks impressive, hard to get that here in Romania. :/ Has there been any benchmarking with freebsd and rc4000? > Pete My question about SX4000 still stands. :) Hope Soren has some positive answer... :/ -- | Radu Bogdan 'veedee' Rusu | NetSysAdm at campus dot utcluj dot ro | Personal gallery at http://rrb.so.ro/gallery/ | ...mirroring FreeBSD and coffee From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 11:51:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACC716A4CF for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from silver.he.iki.fi (helenius.fi [193.64.42.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A56043F75 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:50:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@he.iki.fi) Received: from he.iki.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by silver.he.iki.fi (8.12.9p2/8.11.4) with ESMTP id hALJosgr056308; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:50:54 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from pete@he.iki.fi) Message-ID: <3FBE6C80.7030705@he.iki.fi> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:50:24 +0200 From: Petri Helenius User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: veedee@c7.campus.utcluj.ro References: <20031121143440.GA56854@c7.campus.utcluj.ro> <3FBE62CB.9000804@he.iki.fi> <20031121193326.GA66458@c7.campus.utcluj.ro> In-Reply-To: <20031121193326.GA66458@c7.campus.utcluj.ro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: promise sx4000 drivers X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:51:00 -0000 veedee@c7.campus.utcluj.ro wrote: > >You meant this one? http://www.raidcore.net/raid_controllers.html > >Hmm, looks impressive, hard to get that here in Romania. :/ > >Has there been any benchmarking with freebsd and rc4000? > > > No because the drivers do not exist. But it runs fastest under windows. >>Pete >> >> > >My question about SX4000 still stands. :) Hope Soren has some positive >answer... :/ > > > Pete From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 18:28:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4106C16A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (meitner.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.129.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E742D43FBD for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:28:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (pc2-105.intern.meitner [10.3.12.105]) by meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2707167589; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:28:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiste.my.domain (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAM2SaRi021935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:28:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock Organization: FreeBSD To: tec@mega.net.br, freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:28:31 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20031121.xr9.90600300@admin.mega.net.br> In-Reply-To: <20031121.xr9.90600300@admin.mega.net.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_Unsv/SBX2oj8fOW"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200311220328.36274.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: Re: FreeBSD data size tuning X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:28:45 -0000 --Boundary-02=_Unsv/SBX2oj8fOW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: signed data Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 21 November 2003 16:35, TEC Meganet wrote: > But at the end production means production and it is that what machines > have to do, each minute down is money away. Right. And 4.9-Release is the current production release. This implies that= it=20 is indeed recommended for production. Everything in the Release Notes is a= =20 footnote to that. Please don't spread FUD. =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --Boundary-02=_Unsv/SBX2oj8fOW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA/vsnUXhc68WspdLARAkhDAJ9z5qfPp9vPBXvDFy0eHW4InbNQFwCghfyb r4pyr04oEMs6zglFZ5gs75I= =zylI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_Unsv/SBX2oj8fOW--