From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:43:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2B616A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086C743D55 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:43:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 20328 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 20:43:33 -0000 Received: from dsl027-160-063.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) encrypted SMTP for ; 15 Dec 2003 20:43:33 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBFKhUM0008042; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:43:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:43:32 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Mikulas Patocka X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Hyperthreading crashes X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:43:43 -0000 On 13-Dec-2003 Mikulas Patocka wrote: > Hi > > I use FreeBSD-4.9-RC1 on a machine with hyperthreading (it seems that > hyperthreading support was ripped out of final 4.9 release --- why?) It wasn't ripped out. It is now enabled by default. Check /usr/src/UPDATING and the release notes. > I get random SIGBUSes when compiling (once I got SIGSEGV too). When I > compile only with make -j 1, I get no errors. Is it known problem with > FreeBSD? Or does it mean that the machine is bad? > > How can I find what's the reason for particular SIGBUS signal --- what did > the program wrong? In reply to your later post: I'm not sure why you are getting alignment traps, except perhaps that the PSL_AC flag is somehow flipped on on the second processor. Make sure you enable HT in your BIOS if you haven't already. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 03:17:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0846916A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from chuggalug.clues.com (chuggalug.demon.co.uk [62.49.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8FB43D58 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:17:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geoffb@chuggalug.clues.com) Received: from chuggalug.clues.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chuggalug.clues.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBHBDI3N020270; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:13:18 GMT (envelope-from geoffb@chuggalug.clues.com) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by chuggalug.clues.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBHBD4hx020267; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:13:04 GMT (envelope-from geoffb) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:13:03 +0000 From: Geoff Buckingham To: John Ekins Message-ID: <20031217111303.GA94702@chuggalug.clues.com> References: <20031211181625.378df3cc.john.ekins.REMOVE@brightview.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031211181625.378df3cc.john.ekins.REMOVE@brightview.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP on 8 CPU Compaq 8500 X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:17:52 -0000 On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 06:16:25PM +0000, John Ekins wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:05:13 -0600 > "Cagle, John (ISS-Houston)" wrote: > > -> Hi John, > -> > -> The NC3131 has the Intel Fast Ethernet chipset, so the fxp driver should > -> work with it. > -> > -> Did you try the fxp driver? > > I did try it, but it didn't work. In fact the NIC is not detected at all. I > did look on Google at the time, and I noted that at least one person > mentioned it should work with the fxp driver, and someone else mentioned the > tlan driver. > >From past experiance it may be that you cant see the NIC because it is on an unrecognised/unsupported PCI bus. Which chipset does the 580 use? From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 13:39:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E14016A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006F343D49 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:39:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark.wolfskehl@verizon.net) Received: from verizon.net ([141.150.127.237]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20031217213921.NHMU25266.out001.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:39:21 -0600 Message-ID: <3FE0F794.6010701@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:40:52 -0800 From: Mark Wolfskehl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.150.127.237] at Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:39:20 -0600 Subject: FreeBSD newbie general and SMP questions for i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:39:25 -0000 Hi, I'm a FreeBSD newbie. I'm considering installing either FreeBSD i386 or Linux on a 2 AMD Athelon CPU machine. The motherboard is an ASUS A7M266-D, and the machine has 2GB memory installed. I'm working on trying to answer some key questions before making a final decision which OS to install (right now the other alternative is SuSe Linux), but perhaps if anyone has some quick answers that would be a help: 1. How stable is SMP support in 5.1, especially compared to the stability of single CPU FreeBSD and Linux in general? 2. In general, how could I characterize the relative performance of FreeBSD and Linux under an SMP kernel and/.or single processors? 3. I'm looking into whether my motherboard conforms to the FreeBSD requirements. I don't know if the 'Intel MP' means you have to have genuine Intel processors, in particular. If anyone can get a quick answer to this, that would be critical, of course. ASUS's website is www.asus.com, and you can just do a search for the motherboard model. They have all the specs and the users manual in pdf online. Thanks in advance. 4. How compatible is FreeBSD with Linux in practice? I understand there is a Linux compatibility module for the kernel? 5. Will FreeBSD run VMWare Workstation virtual machine SW for Linux (in practice)? 6. Anything else I should know as a newbie? Whew! That's a lot, but thanks in advance! Mark Wolfskehl mark.wolfskehl@verizon.net From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:02:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10E616A4CF for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:02:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pit.databus.com (p70-227.acedsl.com [66.114.70.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C5C43D2D for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: from pit.databus.com (localhost.databus.com [127.0.0.1]) by pit.databus.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBHM2Cot066014; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by pit.databus.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hBHM2CiP066013; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:02:12 -0500 From: Barney Wolff To: Mark Wolfskehl Message-ID: <20031217220212.GB65145@pit.databus.com> References: <3FE0F794.6010701@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FE0F794.6010701@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD newbie general and SMP questions for i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:02:17 -0000 On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 04:40:52PM -0800, Mark Wolfskehl wrote: > > I'm a FreeBSD newbie. I'm considering installing either FreeBSD i386 or > Linux on a 2 AMD Athelon CPU machine. The motherboard is an ASUS > A7M266-D, and the machine has 2GB memory installed. I'm working on > trying to answer some key questions before making a final decision which > OS to install (right now the other alternative is SuSe Linux), but > perhaps if anyone has some quick answers that would be a help: > > 1. How stable is SMP support in 5.1, especially compared to the > stability of single CPU FreeBSD and Linux in general? I'm running 5-current on an A7M266-D with 2xAthlon 2200+ and 1GB ECC. Excellent stability. No crashes at all. But remember, -current is strictly bleeding-edge and there will be occasional times when things don't work well. So running 5.2-release (due any day now) may be better for you. Then you track security fixes with RELENG_5_2. > 2. In general, how could I characterize the relative performance of > FreeBSD and Linux under an SMP kernel and/.or single processors? I can't answer*, but I claim that it's the wrong question. OS choice has more to do with issues that are impossible to quantify. FreeBSD just feels more comfortable than Linux to me - and yes, I've run both. * Other than to say "comparable." > 3. I'm looking into whether my motherboard conforms to the FreeBSD > requirements. I don't know if the 'Intel MP' means you have to have > genuine Intel processors, in particular. If anyone can get a quick > answer to this, that would be critical, of course. ASUS's website is > www.asus.com, and you can just do a search for the motherboard model. > They have all the specs and the users manual in pdf online. Thanks in > advance. See above. > 4. How compatible is FreeBSD with Linux in practice? I understand there > is a Linux compatibility module for the kernel? Most stuff is available as native ports. Other things (Acroread, for example) do run via Linux compatibility. But again, you just install the port and can't tell whether it's native or compat. > 5. Will FreeBSD run VMWare Workstation virtual machine SW for Linux (in > practice)? I've seen other people run it but have not myself. > 6. Anything else I should know as a newbie? You should at least sign up for the security or announce lists to hear about the (rare) security fixes that are announced. Questions (like yours) should normally go to the questions list unless they're fairly technical. Come on in, the water's fine! -- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net. From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:23:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A5F16A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C2543D31 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:23:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from r.ellis@computer.org) Received: from computer.org ([81.98.203.178]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031217222316.EWTH15813.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@computer.org>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:23:16 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE0D773.2080402@computer.org> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:23:47 +0000 From: Richard Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031211 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Wolfskehl References: <3FE0F794.6010701@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <3FE0F794.6010701@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD newbie general and SMP questions for i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:23:24 -0000 I can't answer the SMP questions but I have never had many problems running Linux applications on BSD. I use the Linux version of Mathematica extensively and also Redhats Source Code Navigator and they work fine. Many apps are also available in native mode through the ports collection. Mark Wolfskehl wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a FreeBSD newbie. I'm considering installing either FreeBSD i386 > or Linux on a 2 AMD Athelon CPU machine. The motherboard is an ASUS > A7M266-D, and the machine has 2GB memory installed. I'm working on > trying to answer some key questions before making a final decision > which OS to install (right now the other alternative is SuSe Linux), > but perhaps if anyone has some quick answers that would be a help: > > 1. How stable is SMP support in 5.1, especially compared to the > stability of single CPU FreeBSD and Linux in general? > > 2. In general, how could I characterize the relative performance of > FreeBSD and Linux under an SMP kernel and/.or single processors? > > 3. I'm looking into whether my motherboard conforms to the FreeBSD > requirements. I don't know if the 'Intel MP' means you have to have > genuine Intel processors, in particular. If anyone can get a quick > answer to this, that would be critical, of course. ASUS's website is > www.asus.com, and you can just do a search for the motherboard model. > They have all the specs and the users manual in pdf online. Thanks in > advance. > > 4. How compatible is FreeBSD with Linux in practice? I understand > there is a Linux compatibility module for the kernel? > > 5. Will FreeBSD run VMWare Workstation virtual machine SW for Linux > (in practice)? > > 6. Anything else I should know as a newbie? > > Whew! That's a lot, but thanks in advance! > > Mark Wolfskehl > mark.wolfskehl@verizon.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-smp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-smp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-smp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 15:00:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0699316A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns1.popstick.com (dns1.popstick.com [66.37.210.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B39A243D1F for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:00:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlists@northglobe.com) Received: (qmail 59133 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 23:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hemingway.chaoticom.com) (216.204.173.67) by 0 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 23:00:44 -0000 From: Nicholas Basila To: Mark Wolfskehl , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:00:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <3FE0F794.6010701@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <3FE0F794.6010701@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312171800.30733.mlists@northglobe.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD newbie general and SMP questions for i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:00:47 -0000 On Wednesday 17 December 2003 07:40 pm, Mark Wolfskehl wrote: > > 4. How compatible is FreeBSD with Linux in practice? I understand > there is a Linux compatibility module for the kernel? Yes - most apps run well. LKMs are not supported at this time, and this does rule out some software. > > 5. Will FreeBSD run VMWare Workstation virtual machine SW for Linux > (in practice)? I've run both version 2 and 3 of vmware with no problems. From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 13:14:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB1B16A4CF for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from chaos.evolve.za.net (chaos.evolve.za.net [196.34.172.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00D243D5C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cole@opteqint.net) Received: from root by chaos.evolve.za.net with scanned-ok (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AXoOb-000MUl-00 for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:12:21 +0200 Received: from [196.39.126.250] (helo=stalker) by chaos.evolve.za.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AXoOa-000MUZ-00 for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:12:20 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c3c73e$20c188c0$4206000a@stalker> From: "Cole" To: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:13:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: by Opteq - www.optec.co.za Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: x86info problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:14:35 -0000 Hey I have a P4 Dual Xeon server, with Hyper Threading. I have just built a smp kernel with the options specified on the SMP = pages on the fbsd site. When i run x86info -a i get these messages /dev/cpu/0/cpuid: No such file or directory and so forth for each from 0-3. and this message at end of output. WARNING: Detected SMP, but unable to access cpuid driver. Used Uniprocessor CPU routines. Results inaccurate. I tried to ./MAKEDEV all and still same problem.=20 I wanted to know if anyone knows the problem, or could possibly suggest = anything Thanx /Cole