From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 4:15:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2246F37B405; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:15:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns0.binep.ac.ru (serv2.binep.ac.ru [193.233.44.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509D143F1E; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:15:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from goshik@binep.ac.ru) Received: from byfi (byfi.binep.ac.ru [193.233.44.234]) by ns0.binep.ac.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h0QD6qt54608; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:06:52 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from goshik@binep.ac.ru) Message-ID: <04be01c2c534$966d1e20$ea2ce9c1@binep.ac.ru> From: "Igor B. Bykhalo" To: Cc: References: <007601c2c2d5$015d27a0$ea2ce9c1@binep.ac.ru> <200301232055.h0NKtNBs032175@intruder.bmah.org> <200301232306.h0NN6J5f033843@intruder.bmah.org> Subject: Re: make release broken for -STABLE? Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:15:15 +0300 Organization: BINEPCP RAS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thank You, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: "Igor B. Bykhalo" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" ; Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:06 AM Subject: Re: make release broken for -STABLE? I wrote: > We might be able to move the de, em, or vx drivers to the mfsroot > floppy, if there's space. I'll try playing around with this, if I get > some time. (Obviously that shouldn't preclude someone else from > working on this problem.) I moved the em driver to mfsroot.flp and was able to build a release successfully (see revision 1.3.2.7 of src/release/i386/drivers.conf). Please update your tree, try the build again, and let me know how this works. Good luck, Bruce. ----- End of Message ----- After your update and fast-ipsec fix, release built just fine. Regards, Igor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 4:21:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D27437B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from zilweb.tdci.pl (zilweb.tdci.pl [213.241.6.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E36A43ED8 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:21:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rafdomer@polbox.com) Received: (qmail 30257 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 12:19:44 -0000 Received: from smtp2.polbox.com (HELO smtp.polbox.com) (root@213.241.3.136) by zilweb.tdci.pl with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 12:19:44 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by smtp.polbox.com (8.11.6/8.9.2) id h0QCLIR12251 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG..procmail; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:21:18 +0100 Received: from tch5p1-8-47.wlop.ppp.polbox.pl (IDENT:1000@tch5p1-8-47.wlop.ppp.polbox.pl [213.241.8.47]) by smtp.polbox.com (8.11.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h0QCLHo12246 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:21:17 +0100 Subject: From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Rafa=B3?= Domeracki To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.7 Date: 26 Jan 2003 13:22:43 +0100 Message-Id: <1043583765.302.9.camel@dom1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable subscribe cvs-all To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 5: 8:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E4137B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 05:08:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gicco.homeip.net (dclient80-218-75-162.hispeed.ch [80.218.75.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769EE43E4A for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 05:08:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hampi@rootshell.be) Received: from localhost.here (idefix@gicco.homeip.net [127.0.0.1]) by gicco.homeip.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QD8bXc000487 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:08:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hampi@rootshell.be) Received: (from idefix@localhost) by localhost.here (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QD8bSk000486 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:08:37 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.here: idefix set sender to hampi@rootshell.be using -f Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:08:37 +0100 From: Hanspeter Roth To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net Message-ID: <20030126130837.GA399@gicco.homeip.net> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030125221725.GA416@gicco.homeip.net> <20030125222529.582505D04@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030125222529.582505D04@ptavv.es.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Jan 25 at 14:25, Kevin Oberman spoke: > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:17:25 +0100 > > From: Hanspeter Roth > > Are such changes not reflected when sticking with RELENG_4_7? > > No. Only security and critical operational patches go into the > RELENG_4_7 branch. This was heavily discussed at the time, but there Ok. > are no security or operational issues with this. (This is not > intuitively true, but is clear if you understand the nuts and bolts > of named and DNS caching.) > > If you want to get a new version at any time, just issue the command: > dig ns . @b.root-servers.net. > /etc/named/named.root (or wherever > your named.conf tells it to look). Ok. I'll create a job as I have to update the instance in /var/named/namedb anyway. -Hanspeter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 6: 8:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CCC37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (marstons.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBAC543EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:08:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trent@limekiln.vcisp.net) Received: (qmail 16991 invoked by uid 10001); 26 Jan 2003 14:08:25 -0000 Received: from limekiln.vcisp.net (212.159.16.110) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 14:08:25 -0000 Received: by limekiln.vcisp.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A02718A; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:08:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:08:16 +0000 From: Trent Nelson To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Buildworld breaking on perl/miniperl. Message-ID: <20030126140816.GA83770@limekiln.vcisp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ``make buildworld'' of RELENG_4 has been failing for me over the last twelve hours or so on the following: echo "===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl"; cd /shared/work/BSD/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-4.x/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl; make DIRPRFX=gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/ build-tools ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl config_h.sh: Can't open config_h.sh: Permission denied *** Error code 2 Stop in /shared/work/BSD/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-4.x/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /shared/work/BSD/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-4.x/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /shared/work/BSD/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-4.x/src. *** Error code 1 Trent. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 6:21:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD2637B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8C4743EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:21:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas.kohn@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 9683 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 2003 14:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.32.190?) (212.204.32.190) by mail.gmx.net (mp012-rz3) with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 14:21:53 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] typo in release/sysinstall/menus.c From: Andreas Kohn To: stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-0FnxnSMjUZG4Op5Q5YkN" Organization: Message-Id: <1043590896.10968.8.camel@klamath.ankon.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 26 Jan 2003 15:21:50 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=-0FnxnSMjUZG4Op5Q5YkN Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, While installing 5.0 RELEASE a few days ago, I saw a small typo in the distributions menu. The same typo exists in 4.7 STABLE as well, so I didn't know where to send it. Could someone check this, and apply if necessary? Thanks, -- Andreas Kohn --=-0FnxnSMjUZG4Op5Q5YkN Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=menus.c.diff Content-Type: text/plain; name=menus.c.diff; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- release/sysinstall/menus.c.orig Sun Jan 26 11:27:14 2003 +++ release/sysinstall/menus.c Sun Jan 26 11:27:56 2003 @@ -754,7 +754,7 @@ "distributions", { { "X Exit", "Exit this menu (returning to previous)", checkTrue, dmenuExit, NULL, NULL, '<', '<', '<' }, - { "All", "All system sources, binaries and X Window System)", + { "All", "All system sources, binaries and X Window System", checkDistEverything, distSetEverything, NULL, NULL, ' ', ' ', ' ' }, { "Reset", "Reset selected distribution list to nothing", NULL, distReset, NULL, NULL, ' ', ' ', ' ' }, --=-0FnxnSMjUZG4Op5Q5YkN-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 8:52:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E9537B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AFA43E4A for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:52:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from owt-207-41-94-233.owt.com (owt-207-41-94-233.owt.com [207.41.94.233]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11767; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:52:27 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Kent Stewart To: Trent Nelson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buildworld breaking on perl/miniperl. Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:52:26 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20030126140816.GA83770@limekiln.vcisp.net> In-Reply-To: <20030126140816.GA83770@limekiln.vcisp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301260852.26631.kstewart@owt.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday 26 January 2003 06:08 am, Trent Nelson wrote: > ``make buildworld'' of RELENG_4 has been failing for me over the > last twelve hours or so on the following: > > echo "=3D=3D=3D> gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl"; cd > /shared/work/BSD/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-4.x/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl; > make DIRPRFX=3Dgnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/ build-tools =3D=3D=3D> > gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl > config_h.sh: Can't open config_h.sh: Permission denied > *** Error code 2 > I went so far as to cvsup and do a buildworld. I think you have a=20 directory or fs permission problem. When you use /usr/src and /usr/obj,=20 you get the following echo "=3D=3D=3D> gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl"; cd=20 /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl; make DIRPRFX=3Dgnu/usr.bin/perl/minip erl/ build-tools =3D=3D=3D> gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl Extracting config.h (with variable substitutions) rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl=20 -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../ =2E./contrib/perl5 -D__FBSDID=3D__RCSID =20 /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/miniperlmain= =2Ec=20 / usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/perl.c=20 /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../ --=20 Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 10:42:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6357837B405; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (aldan.algebra.com [216.254.65.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4778E43E4A; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:42:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aldan.algebra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QIgX57012887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:42:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi@aldan.algebra.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by aldan.algebra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QIgWv7012886; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:42:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Mikhail Teterin To: current@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: continuing problems with RealPlayer Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:42:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7whJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can anyone, please, try the following URL, for example: pnm://rm.content.loudeye.com/~ttt-600111/0619060_0103_00_0002.ra It causes RealPlayer8.cs2 to get SIGABRT on two of my -current systems. I must have it working on at least one machine in the house, but before changing the laptop to -stable, I'd like to find out it will work there :-) The other alternative would be to install Windows... FWIW, I tried with both linux_base and linux_base-6 -- same symptoms. There are other URLs on Amazon's Music shopping, that break it, but one is enough, I guess... [I brought this point up first three weeks ago, in: http://news.gw.com/freebsd.current/29296] Thanks! -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 10:51:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8D837B401; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F5343F3F; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:51:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with ESMTP id <20030126185125001004keeve>; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:51:25 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QIpORG073438; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:51:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QIpOIk073437; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:51:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200301261851.h0QIpOIk073437@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20021120 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Igor B. Bykhalo" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make release broken for -STABLE? In-Reply-To: <04be01c2c534$966d1e20$ea2ce9c1@binep.ac.ru> References: <007601c2c2d5$015d27a0$ea2ce9c1@binep.ac.ru> <200301232055.h0NKtNBs032175@intruder.bmah.org> <200301232306.h0NN6J5f033843@intruder.bmah.org> <04be01c2c534$966d1e20$ea2ce9c1@binep.ac.ru> Comments: In-reply-to "Igor B. Bykhalo" message dated "Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:15:15 +0300." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1533543540P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:51:24 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_1533543540P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, "Igor B. Bykhalo" wrote: > After your update and fast-ipsec fix, release built just fine. Great...thanks for letting me know! Bruce. --==_Exmh_1533543540P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE+NC4s2MoxcVugUsMRAh1pAKC6OoZNV4JeUXK258M1GtRJfyx3nwCeLc0z qoO+jEbSNbFHkkbMfJ4Cev8= =8GZk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1533543540P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 11:28:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E96137B401; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:28:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com (mailout05.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB7143E4A; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:28:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garyj@jennejohn.org) Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18csSP-0003n8-00; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:28:41 +0100 Received: from peedub.jennejohn.org (520017439985-0001@[217.80.238.114]) by fmrl05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18csSC-24ARKCC; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:28:28 +0100 Received: from peedub.jennejohn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.jennejohn.org (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0QJSKi6010103; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:28:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.jennejohn.org) Message-Id: <200301261928.h0QJSKi6010103@peedub.jennejohn.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.3 To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: continuing problems with RealPlayer Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:42:32 EST." <200301261342.32470@aldan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:28:20 +0100 From: Gary Jennejohn X-Sender: 520017439985-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mikhail Teterin writes: > Can anyone, please, try the following URL, for example: > > pnm://rm.content.loudeye.com/~ttt-600111/0619060_0103_00_0002.ra > Yup, kills my RealPlayer too. --- Gary Jennejohn / garyj@jennejohn.org gj@freebsd.org gj@denx.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 12:10:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD1D37B401; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (aldan.algebra.com [216.254.65.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4454F43E4A; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:10:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aldan.algebra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QKAQ57013225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:10:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi@aldan.algebra.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by aldan.algebra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QKAPjd013224; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:10:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mikhail Teterin To: Gary Jennejohn Subject: Re: continuing problems with RealPlayer Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:10:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org References: <200301261928.h0QJSKi6010103@peedub.jennejohn.org> In-Reply-To: <200301261928.h0QJSKi6010103@peedub.jennejohn.org> X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7whJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday 26 January 2003 02:28 pm, Gary Jennejohn wrote: = Mikhail Teterin writes: = > Can anyone, please, try the following URL, for example: = > = > pnm://rm.content.loudeye.com/~ttt-600111/0619060_0103_00_0002.ra = > = = Yup, kills my RealPlayer too. -stable or -current? -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 12:29: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92C137B401; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E630B43ED8; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:28:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garyj@jennejohn.org) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18ctOg-00077P-00; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:28:54 +0100 Received: from peedub.jennejohn.org (520017439985-0001@[217.228.211.25]) by fmrl04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18ctOX-0YFPf6C; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:28:45 +0100 Received: from peedub.jennejohn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.jennejohn.org (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0QKSci6010883; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:28:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.jennejohn.org) Message-Id: <200301262028.h0QKSci6010883@peedub.jennejohn.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.3 To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: Gary Jennejohn , current@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: continuing problems with RealPlayer Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:10:25 EST." <200301261510.25449@aldan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:28:38 +0100 From: Gary Jennejohn X-Sender: 520017439985-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mikhail Teterin writes: > On Sunday 26 January 2003 02:28 pm, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > = Mikhail Teterin writes: > = > Can anyone, please, try the following URL, for example: > = > > = > pnm://rm.content.loudeye.com/~ttt-600111/0619060_0103_00_0002.ra > = > > = > = Yup, kills my RealPlayer too. > > -stable or -current? > -current --- Gary Jennejohn / garyj@jennejohn.org gj@freebsd.org gj@denx.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 13:15:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81EF37B401; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from builder.freebsdmall.com (builder.freebsdmall.com [65.86.180.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62D643F18; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:15:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from murray@builder.freebsdmall.com) Received: by builder.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 490AAF73; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:15:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:15:37 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Andreas Kohn Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] typo in release/sysinstall/menus.c Message-ID: <20030126211537.GR18752@freebsdmall.com> References: <1043590896.10968.8.camel@klamath.ankon.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1043590896.10968.8.camel@klamath.ankon.homeip.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 03:21:50PM +0100, Andreas Kohn wrote: > While installing 5.0 RELEASE a few days ago, I saw a small typo in the > distributions menu. The same typo exists in 4.7 STABLE as well, so I > didn't know where to send it. Could someone check this, and apply if > necessary? I've just committed this. Thanks for the submission! - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 14:48:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F390637B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from voo.doo.net (voo.doo.net [81.17.45.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9099F43F3F for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:48:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@schneiders.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by voo.doo.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QMm16Z027775 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:48:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@schneiders.org) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:48:00 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-Reply-To: <20030126130837.GA399@gicco.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20030126224956.K27492-100000@voo.doo.net> X-Preferred-email-to: marc@schneiders.org X-Other-email-to: marc@venster.nl X-Organization: Venster (Zeist - NL) X-URL: http://www.bijt.net/ X-SOA: A.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. X-OS: FreeBSD: The Power to Serve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, at 14:08 [=GMT+0100], Hanspeter Roth wrote: > On Jan 25 at 14:25, Kevin Oberman spoke: > > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:17:25 +0100 > > > From: Hanspeter Roth > > If you want to get a new version at any time, just issue the command: > > dig ns . @b.root-servers.net. > /etc/named/named.root (or wherever > > your named.conf tells it to look). > > Ok. I'll create a job as I have to update the instance in > /var/named/namedb anyway. A more permanent solution is to run secondary for root. This has several advantages. One being speed. The root data will be on your machine and automatically refreshed every 30 minutes (only when there are changes, so no useless traffic) by AXFR. If there is another DDoS attack on the root-servers, you won't suffer from it, for you have the data yourself. And they don't change much. To do this replace in named.conf: zone "." { type hint; file "named.root"; }; by this: zone "." { type slave; file "named.root"; masters { 128.9.0.107; 192.33.4.12; 192.5.5.241}; }; The 3 IP numbers are from b, c, and f.root-servers.net, which do allow an AXFR of the root-zone. The other root-servers don't. If you care for alternative, extra domains, you replace the IP numbers indicated by ORSC root-servers (that allow AXFR) and you put in: zone "." { type slave; file "named.root"; masters { 199.166.29.2; 213.196.2.97; 199.166.24.12; 195.206.104.13; 204.57.55.100}; }; -- [11] You must really read this. http://logoff.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 15: 3: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9E237B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:02:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from pit.databus.com (p70-227.acedsl.com [66.114.70.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DA543EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: from pit.databus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pit.databus.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QN2v73062717 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:02:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by pit.databus.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QN2vVK062716 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:02:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:02:57 -0500 From: Barney Wolff Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net Message-ID: <20030126230257.GA62541@pit.databus.com> References: <20030126130837.GA399@gicco.homeip.net> <20030126224956.K27492-100000@voo.doo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030126224956.K27492-100000@voo.doo.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 11:48:00PM +0100, Marc Schneiders wrote: > > A more permanent solution is to run secondary for root. This has > several advantages. One being speed. The root data will be on your > machine and automatically refreshed every 30 minutes (only when there > are changes, so no useless traffic) by AXFR. If there is another DDoS > attack on the root-servers, you won't suffer from it, for you have the > data yourself. And they don't change much. This strikes me as a Really Bad Idea. It increases the load on the roots that you target, and leaves you high and dry if those roots decide to deny zone transfers, as they should. The TTLs returned by the roots are plenty long enough to provide a cushion for any outages, and if the roots are truly gone longer than that, the whole Internet will not be working. As has been amply pointed out, named will learn the current roots if even one root that it knows about is correct and functioning. This is a complete non-issue. And of course, using the "alternate" roots is evil. -- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 15:12:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48CE37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from voo.doo.net (voo.doo.net [81.17.45.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5652F43F13 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:12:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@schneiders.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by voo.doo.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QNCm6Z027891; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:12:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@schneiders.org) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:12:48 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders X-X-Sender: To: Barney Wolff Cc: Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-Reply-To: <20030126230257.GA62541@pit.databus.com> Message-ID: <20030127000536.O27492-100000@voo.doo.net> X-Preferred-email-to: marc@schneiders.org X-Other-email-to: marc@venster.nl X-Organization: Venster (Zeist - NL) X-URL: http://www.bijt.net/ X-SOA: A.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. X-OS: FreeBSD: The Power to Serve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, at 18:02 [=GMT-0500], Barney Wolff wrote: > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 11:48:00PM +0100, Marc Schneiders wrote: > > > > A more permanent solution is to run secondary for root. This has > > several advantages. One being speed. The root data will be on your > > machine and automatically refreshed every 30 minutes (only when there > > are changes, so no useless traffic) by AXFR. If there is another DDoS > > attack on the root-servers, you won't suffer from it, for you have the > > data yourself. And they don't change much. > > This strikes me as a Really Bad Idea. It increases the load on the roots > that you target, Prove this. It is only true of your nameserver doesn't do anything or much. If it is busy, it will actually mean less load on the rootserver(s). For there will be no traffic for the many non-existing top level domains that originate in typos. Your own machine will give the NXDomain amswer. > and leaves you high and dry if those roots decide to > deny zone transfers, This would be true for any other automatic method. That is why I suggest to put in all three IP numbers. > as they should. Opinions differ on this. Since DNS-guru Paul Vixie still lets us AXFR from his rootserver (F). it cannot be that bad. > The TTLs returned by the roots are > plenty long enough to provide a cushion for any outages, and if the roots > are truly gone longer than that, the whole Internet will not be working. There are two issues, which you are mixing up. Speed will always be better when you secondary root. Security will not be much better, but just a little. > As has been amply pointed out, named will learn the current roots if even > one root that it knows about is correct and functioning. This is a > complete non-issue. I am not saying, that hints does not work. Just that there is an aletrnative method, which I and others prefer. Do not pretend there is consensus about this among DNS people. > And of course, using the "alternate" roots is evil. I knew you were a religious person. -- [01] All ideas are vintage not new or perfect. http://logoff.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 15:21:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D43E37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pit.databus.com (p70-227.acedsl.com [66.114.70.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51AD43E4A for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:21:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: from pit.databus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pit.databus.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QNLJ73062941 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:21:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by pit.databus.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QNLJs9062940 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:21:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:21:19 -0500 From: Barney Wolff To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net Message-ID: <20030126232119.GA62888@pit.databus.com> References: <20030126230257.GA62541@pit.databus.com> <20030127000536.O27492-100000@voo.doo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030127000536.O27492-100000@voo.doo.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 12:12:48AM +0100, Marc Schneiders wrote: > > I am not saying, that hints does not work. Just that there is an > aletrnative method, which I and others prefer. Do not pretend there is > consensus about this among DNS people. Of course there is consensus, as represented by the mechanism used by every DNS implementation, out of the box. There is not unanimity, but there is consensus. -- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 15:30:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3DD37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [130.155.191.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAF443E4A for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:30:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QNU1EN056421; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:30:01 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200301262330.h0QNU1EN056421@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Marc Schneiders Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mark.Andrews@isc.org Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:48:00 BST." <20030126224956.K27492-100000@voo.doo.net> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:30:01 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, at 14:08 [=GMT+0100], Hanspeter Roth wrote: > > On Jan 25 at 14:25, Kevin Oberman spoke: > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:17:25 +0100 > > > > From: Hanspeter Roth > > > > If you want to get a new version at any time, just issue the command: > > > dig ns . @b.root-servers.net. > /etc/named/named.root (or wherever > > > your named.conf tells it to look > ). > > > > Ok. I'll create a job as I have to update the instance in > > /var/named/namedb anyway. > > A more permanent solution is to run secondary for root. This has > several advantages. One being speed. The root data will be on your > machine and automatically refreshed every 30 minutes (only when there > are changes, so no useless traffic) by AXFR. If there is another DDoS > attack on the root-servers, you won't suffer from it, for you have the > data yourself. And they don't change much. > > To do this replace in named.conf: > > zone "." { > type hint; > file "named.root"; > }; > > by this: > > zone "." { type slave; > file "named.root"; > masters { > 128.9.0.107; 192.33.4.12; 192.5.5.241}; > }; > > The 3 IP numbers are from b, c, and f.root-servers.net, which do allow > an AXFR of the root-zone. The other root-servers don't. > > If you care for alternative, extra domains, you replace the IP > numbers indicated by ORSC root-servers (that allow AXFR) and you put > in: > > zone "." { > type slave; > file "named.root"; > masters { > 199.166.29.2; 213.196.2.97; 199.166.24.12; 195.206.104.13; > 204.57.55.100}; > }; > > -- > [11] You must really read this. > http://logoff.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message If you have to do this then please, please, please specify "notify no;". The root servers don't need millions of additional notify requests. Mark -- Mark Andrews, Internet Software Consortium 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark.Andrews@isc.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 15:37:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1395F37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.rotfl.com.au (eth1779.sa.adsl.internode.on.net [150.101.235.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A8543EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:37:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Phil@Kernick.org) Received: by mail.rotfl.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QNbQkO043736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:07:26 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from Phil@Kernick.org) Message-ID: <3E347133.1090508@Kernick.org> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:07:23 +1030 From: Phil Kernick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Making the boot loader recognise Win2k Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been using this successfully for months, and I thought it might be useful to others out there. This patch to boot0 that provides WinNT/Win2k/WinXP named support in the boot loader. It does it at the expense of dropping named support for Hurd. The same patch applies to either -STABLE or -CURRENT. At the moment, if you dual-boot FreeBSD/Win2k, in the boot loader shows ??? for Win2k. This is because it doesn't recognise the NTFS partition. This patch adds that back into the loader. Since the loader is *very* tight on space, I've dropped named support for Hurd. It will still work, but now Hurd will show up as ???. I'd like for this to actually get into the tree at some point, but until then, you'll have to apply it manually. Phil. --- boot0.s.1.25.txt Fri Sep 13 15:13:58 2002 +++ boot0.s Fri Sep 13 15:16:28 2002 @@ -13,7 +13,7 @@ # purpose. # -# $FreeBSD: src/sys/boot/i386/boot0/boot0.s,v 1.25 2000/12/19 00:17:36 rnordier Exp $ +# $FreeBSD: src/sys/boot/i386/boot0/boot0.s,v 1.26 2002/07/01 00:00:00 philk Exp $ # A 512-byte boot manager. @@ -364,7 +364,7 @@ # # These values indicate bootable types we know the names of # - .byte 0x1, 0x4, 0x6, 0xb, 0xc, 0xe, 0x63, 0x83 + .byte 0x1, 0x4, 0x6, 0x7, 0xb, 0xc, 0xe, 0x83 .byte 0x9f, 0xa5, 0xa6, 0xa9 # # These are offsets that match the known names above and point to the strings @@ -374,10 +374,10 @@ .byte os_dos-. # DOS .byte os_dos-. # DOS .byte os_dos-. # DOS + .byte os_nt-. # WinNT .byte os_dos-. # Windows .byte os_dos-. # Windows .byte os_dos-. # Windows - .byte os_unix-. # UNIX .byte os_linux-. # Linux .byte os_bsd-. # BSD/OS .byte os_freebsd-. # FreeBSD @@ -389,7 +389,7 @@ # os_misc: .ascii "?"; .byte '?'|0x80 os_dos: .ascii "DO"; .byte 'S'|0x80 -os_unix: .ascii "UNI"; .byte 'X'|0x80 +os_nt: .ascii "WinN"; .byte 'T'|0x80 os_linux: .ascii "Linu"; .byte 'x'|0x80 os_freebsd: .ascii "Free" os_bsd: .ascii "BS"; .byte 'D'|0x80 -- _-_|\ Phil Kernick E-Mail: Phil@Kernick.org / \ ROTFL Enterprises Mobile: 041 61 ROTFL \_.-*_/ v Humourist, satirist, and probably a few more 'ists to boot! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 15:55:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E4637B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4714343E4A for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:55:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QNtV0i069608; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:55:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QNtU0m069607; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:55:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:55:30 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200301262355.h0QNtU0m069607@apollo.backplane.com> To: Marc Schneiders Cc: Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net References: <20030126224956.K27492-100000@voo.doo.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, at 14:08 [=GMT+0100], Hanspeter Roth wrote: :> On Jan 25 at 14:25, Kevin Oberman spoke: :> > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:17:25 +0100 :> > > From: Hanspeter Roth : :> > If you want to get a new version at any time, just issue the command: :> > dig ns . @b.root-servers.net. > /etc/named/named.root (or wherever :> > your named.conf tells it to look). :> :> Ok. I'll create a job as I have to update the instance in :> /var/named/namedb anyway. : :A more permanent solution is to run secondary for root. This has :several advantages. One being speed. The root data will be on your :machine and automatically refreshed every 30 minutes (only when there :... It's better to pull the root list with a cronjob. I've included the shell script I use. All you need to do is replace the named restart code with whatever is appropriate for your machine (I'm using bind9 and a chroot so 'ndc' doesn't work for me). You could get fancier and compare the old and new zone files and only restart if they're different but I only pull it once a week and there are almost always differences so I didn't bother. Pulling from a root server unnecessarily loads the root server, especially when you use a secondary entry. 30 4 * * 0 cd /etc/namedb; ./getroot -Matt #!/bin/tcsh -f # # The root_hints file should be updated periodicly from # ftp.rs.internic.net umask 027 #set hostname = 'ftp.alternic.net' #set remfile = 'db.root' #set locfile = 'db.root' set hostname = 'ftp.rs.internic.net' set remfile = domain/root.zone.gz set locfile = root.zone.gz set path = ( /bin /usr/bin /sbin /usr/sbin ) fetch ftp://${hostname}:/${remfile} if ( $status != 0) then rm -f ${locfile} echo "Download failed" else gunzip < ${locfile} > root.zone.new if ( $status == 0 ) then rm -f ${locfile} if ( -f root.zone ) then mv -f root.zone root.zone.bak endif mv -f root.zone.new root.zone echo "Download succeeded, restarting named" # # CHANGE THESE LINES AS APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR SETUP # killall named sleep 1 /usr/local/sbin/named -c named.conf -t /etc/namedb -u bind else echo "Download failed: gunzip returned error" rm -f ${locfile} endif endif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 15:57:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FD637B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [130.155.191.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD89343F18 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:57:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QNvOEN056460; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:57:24 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200301262357.h0QNvOEN056460@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Barney Wolff Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mark.Andrews@isc.org Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:02:57 CDT." <20030126230257.GA62541@pit.databus.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:57:24 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 11:48:00PM +0100, Marc Schneiders wrote: > > > > A more permanent solution is to run secondary for root. This has > > several advantages. One being speed. The root data will be on your > > machine and automatically refreshed every 30 minutes (only when there > > are changes, so no useless traffic) by AXFR. If there is another DDoS > > attack on the root-servers, you won't suffer from it, for you have the > > data yourself. And they don't change much. > > This strikes me as a Really Bad Idea. It increases the load on the roots > that you target, and leaves you high and dry if those roots decide to > deny zone transfers, as they should. The TTLs returned by the roots are > plenty long enough to provide a cushion for any outages, and if the roots > are truly gone longer than that, the whole Internet will not be working. Firstly there is no proof that it will actually increase the load on the roots. It may well decrease the load. The analysis has not been done. Secondly it is more robust. You are no longer dependent on having to be able to reach a root server when your nameserver starts. Thirdly the vast majority (>90%) of the queries to the roots result in negative answers. These are cached for a much shorter period than the positive answers. Forth you don't need to have every one of your nameservers talking to the root servers. You can use one server to get the zone and use it to distribute the zone to your other servers. Mark > As has been amply pointed out, named will learn the current roots if even > one root that it knows about is correct and functioning. This is a > complete non-issue. > > And of course, using the "alternate" roots is evil. > > -- > Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf > I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Mark Andrews, Internet Software Consortium 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark.Andrews@isc.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 16: 0:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8620437B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B859343F13 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R00H0i069681; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0R00Hp6069680; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:00:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200301270000.h0R00Hp6069680@apollo.backplane.com> To: Marc Schneiders , Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net References: <20030126224956.K27492-100000@voo.doo.net> <200301262355.h0QNtU0m069607@apollo.backplane.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh, I forgot to include the zone entry in named.conf that I use for that script: zone "." { type hint; file "root.zone"; }; -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 16:11:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC4437B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D8C43F6B for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@ix.netcom.com) Received: from lsanca1-ar6-4-62-200-122.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.62.200.122] helo=netcom1.netcom.com) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18cwsT-0000yi-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:11:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592D6131CB for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AE62313189; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:38:04 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Harding To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: whither demsg? Message-Id: <20030126233804.AE62313189@netcom1.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:38:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has it been replaced with anything, or just vanished? thanks, Mike H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 16:15:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF1B37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB3543F18 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:15:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:brdavis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0R0FT6F031363; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:15:29 -0800 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h0R0FTCu031362; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:15:29 -0800 Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:15:29 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Mike Harding Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: whither demsg? Message-ID: <20030126161529.A31248@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20030126233804.AE62313189@netcom1.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20030126233804.AE62313189@netcom1.netcom.com>; from mvh@ix.netcom.com on Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 03:38:04PM -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 03:38:04PM -0800, Mike Harding wrote: >=20 > Has it been replaced with anything, or just vanished? It's still there, same as always. It's spelled dmesg, not demsg though. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+NHogXY6L6fI4GtQRAlAAAKDZ590b2vICouSRqCz+fwyk/+fHfQCgk7AX HoDlu8cABXVJVJtkYNmaqBo= =e4La -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 16:20:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A26637B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D76743F5B for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:20:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@ix.netcom.com) Received: from lsanca1-ar6-4-62-200-122.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.62.200.122] helo=netcom1.netcom.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18cx0s-00067U-00; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:20:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038E213144; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7C81713142; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:20:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Harding To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20030126161529.A31248@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> (message from Brooks Davis on Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:15:29 -0800) Subject: Re: whither demsg? References: <20030126233804.AE62313189@netcom1.netcom.com> <20030126161529.A31248@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Message-Id: <20030127002031.7C81713142@netcom1.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:20:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh, I'm embarrased - the spelling got flushed from my cerebral cache, and of course google (as always) has plently of examples of the misspelled version. X-Original-To: mvh@netcom1.netcom.com Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:15:29 -0800 From: Brooks Davis Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, TO_BE_REMOVED_REPLY,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_LOOP version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 03:38:04PM -0800, Mike Harding wrote: >=20 > Has it been replaced with anything, or just vanished? It's still there, same as always. It's spelled dmesg, not demsg though. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+NHogXY6L6fI4GtQRAlAAAKDZ590b2vICouSRqCz+fwyk/+fHfQCgk7AX HoDlu8cABXVJVJtkYNmaqBo= =e4La -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 16:23:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918BB37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from voo.doo.net (voo.doo.net [81.17.45.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED40C43F5B for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:23:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@schneiders.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by voo.doo.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R0Nd6Z028157; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:23:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@schneiders.org) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:23:39 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders X-X-Sender: To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-Reply-To: <200301262355.h0QNtU0m069607@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: <20030127012218.I27492-100000@voo.doo.net> X-Preferred-email-to: marc@schneiders.org X-Other-email-to: marc@venster.nl X-Organization: Venster (Zeist - NL) X-URL: http://www.bijt.net/ X-SOA: A.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. X-OS: FreeBSD: The Power to Serve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, at 15:55 [=GMT-0800], Matthew Dillon wrote: > #set hostname = 'ftp.alternic.net' > #set remfile = 'db.root' > #set locfile = 'db.root' > set hostname = 'ftp.rs.internic.net' > set remfile = domain/root.zone.gz > set locfile = root.zone.gz Did you at some time change your root? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 17: 1:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C405737B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntl.com (pc1-glfd2-4-cust59.glfd.cable.ntl.com [81.99.187.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9420543E4A for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:01:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from william@palfreman.com) Received: from aqua.lan.palfreman.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ntl.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0R12ukn014551; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:02:56 GMT (envelope-from william@palfreman.com) Received: from localhost (william@localhost) by aqua.lan.palfreman.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id h0R12tgP014548; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:02:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: aqua.lan.palfreman.com: william owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:02:55 +0000 (GMT) From: William Palfreman To: Barney Wolff Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-Reply-To: <20030126230257.GA62541@pit.databus.com> Message-ID: <20030127004815.Y10725@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> References: <20030126130837.GA399@gicco.homeip.net> <20030126224956.K27492-100000@voo.doo.net> <20030126230257.GA62541@pit.databus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Barney Wolff wrote: > And of course, using the "alternate" roots is evil. Why is that then? I'm slaving the OpenNIC ones here without any trouble. DNS just being an information service in the end I can't see why there has to be the only one of its type. In fact, how can it be a standard if there is only one implementation? :-) I can think of some very good reasons *to* have multiple roots, for one allowing new TLD domains to evolve spontaneously, and secondly to prevent TLD and subdomains from coming under control of oppressive governments and quasi-government agencies like ICANN. AFAIK .za had to move to the UK a while back precisely to avoid takeover by the South African government, but even so, one fixed root is bound to lead to increasing political control in the end. So what is the great theoretical objection to multiple roots then? -- W. Palfreman. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 17:39:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C8237B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tacorp.net (mail.tacorp.net [208.20.58.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC1D43F43 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:39:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from raistlin@tacorp.net) Received: from mail.tacorp.net (raistlin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.tacorp.net (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0R1dP5c055170; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:39:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from raistlin@tacorp.net) Received: from localhost (raistlin@localhost) by mail.tacorp.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h0R1dPnB055167; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:39:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.tacorp.net: raistlin owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:39:25 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Slagle To: William Palfreman Cc: Barney Wolff , "" Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-Reply-To: <20030127004815.Y10725@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> Message-ID: <20030126203602.C53339@mail.tacorp.net> References: <20030126130837.GA399@gicco.homeip.net> <20030126224956.K27492-100000@voo.doo.net> <20030126230257.GA62541@pit.databus.com> <20030127004815.Y10725@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, William Palfreman wrote: > So what is the great theoretical objection to multiple roots then? We've already seen a conflict between the "official" roots and the offshoots. What happens then? Anyone who registered a .biz in the fake root is now somewhat screwed. The second problem is visibility. Without multiple roots being global, they offer a very limited utility. The final problem is lack of direction. What if I tommorrow created my own alternative root with a .geek TLD. There would be a conflict created. Even if we HAD multiple roots, a single group would have to be in charge of who got what TLD's and you still have the political drama because of that. Jason -- Jason Slagle - CCNP - CCDP /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 17:44:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D85137B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:44:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D250443F13 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:44:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R1iF0i070199; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:44:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0R1iF6O070198; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:44:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:44:15 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200301270144.h0R1iF6O070198@apollo.backplane.com> To: Marc Schneiders Cc: Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net References: <20030127012218.I27492-100000@voo.doo.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, at 15:55 [=GMT-0800], Matthew Dillon wrote: : :> #set hostname = 'ftp.alternic.net' :> #set remfile = 'db.root' :> #set locfile = 'db.root' :> set hostname = 'ftp.rs.internic.net' :> set remfile = domain/root.zone.gz :> set locfile = root.zone.gz : :Did you at some time change your root? That's just old commented out stuff. Probably from quite a long time ago, I've been using some variation of this script for almost 10 years. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 17:45:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CA237B405 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:45:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from pit.databus.com (p70-227.acedsl.com [66.114.70.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4F843F1E for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:45:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: from pit.databus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pit.databus.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R1jj73063748; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:45:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by pit.databus.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0R1jj1J063747; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:45:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:45:45 -0500 From: Barney Wolff To: Mark.Andrews@isc.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net Message-ID: <20030127014545.GA63665@pit.databus.com> References: <20030126230257.GA62541@pit.databus.com> <200301262357.h0QNvOEN056460@drugs.dv.isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301262357.h0QNvOEN056460@drugs.dv.isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:57:24AM +1100, Mark.Andrews@isc.org wrote: > > Firstly there is no proof that it will actually increase the load > on the roots. It may well decrease the load. The analysis has not > been done. > > Secondly it is more robust. You are no longer dependent on having > to be able to reach a root server when your nameserver starts. > > Thirdly the vast majority (>90%) of the queries to the roots result > in negative answers. These are cached for a much shorter period > than the positive answers. > > Forth you don't need to have every one of your nameservers talking > to the root servers. You can use one server to get the zone and > use it to distribute the zone to your other servers. Well! When ISC officially endorses this technique, by distributing bind with it set up as the default, I'll be pleased to change my mind. Until then, not. -- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 17:53: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2903D37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from voo.doo.net (voo.doo.net [81.17.45.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DA943ED8 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:53:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@schneiders.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by voo.doo.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R1qv6Z028437; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:52:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@schneiders.org) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:52:57 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders X-X-Sender: To: Barney Wolff Cc: , Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-Reply-To: <20030127014545.GA63665@pit.databus.com> Message-ID: <20030127025122.M27492-100000@voo.doo.net> X-Preferred-email-to: marc@schneiders.org X-Other-email-to: marc@venster.nl X-Organization: Venster (Zeist - NL) X-URL: http://www.bijt.net/ X-SOA: A.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. X-OS: FreeBSD: The Power to Serve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, at 20:45 [=GMT-0500], Barney Wolff wrote: > Well! When ISC officially endorses this technique, by distributing > bind with it set up as the default, I'll be pleased to change my mind. > Until then, not. Always best to only use default configurations. Never trust yourself! -- [15] We are in need. http://logoff.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 18:46:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BF337B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CB543EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:46:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284478B70A8; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:46:10 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:46:09 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: Scott Long Subject: Adaptec 2120s RAID Controller with 4.7-RELEASE ... alternative? Message-ID: <20030126223025.X15704@hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Morning all ... Today, I installed a new Intel server with a 2120s RAID controller in it, with the 4.7-RELEASE CDs, only to find out afterwards that there is a bug (known) in the driver causing it to TIMEOUT on reboot ... know, I know that Scott knows about it, and is looking into it, based on a posting on Jan 16th to this list, so this question is two part: 1. has it been fix in recent code? Will an upgrade to -STABLE (which is planned anyway) fix it? I found a commit since the bug was reported, on the 23rd ... is this meant to address that problem? "Work around a bug in the 2200 and 2120 cards that cannot DMA commands from the first 8k og physical memory." 2. I doon't know how the Hardware RAID controllers work, but is there an alternate card that I can put into the machine (ie. the 2110S (U160 vs U320) that will work, or is this an issue that affects anything using the aac driver altogether? Also, how does hardware RAID work? With vinum, I know that the 'RAID configuration' is saved on the drive itself ... where is it saved on a RAID controller? On the card itself? If I replace the controller, do I end up losing all of my configuration? Or is it simple 'plug in new card and reboot'? Thanks ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 19:44:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D44237B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EE243EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:44:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott_long@btc.adaptec.com) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0R3iID16189; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [10.100.0.52]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21154; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.adaptec.com ([162.62.99.118]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24273; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:44:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E34AAF6.4080902@btc.adaptec.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:43:50 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021105 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2120s RAID Controller with 4.7-RELEASE ... alternative? References: <20030126223025.X15704@hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20030126223025.X15704@hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Morning all ... > > Today, I installed a new Intel server with a 2120s RAID controller in > it, with the 4.7-RELEASE CDs, only to find out afterwards that there is a > bug (known) in the driver causing it to TIMEOUT on reboot ... know, I know > that Scott knows about it, and is looking into it, based on a posting on > Jan 16th to this list, so this question is two part: > > 1. has it been fix in recent code? Will an upgrade to -STABLE (which is > planned anyway) fix it? I found a commit since the bug was reported, > on the 23rd ... is this meant to address that problem? > > "Work around a bug in the 2200 and 2120 cards that cannot DMA commands > from the first 8k og physical memory." Yes, this checkin addresses the last known problems in the driver. If you can update to 4-STABLE, the driver will work. > > > 2. I doon't know how the Hardware RAID controllers work, but is there an > alternate card that I can put into the machine (ie. the 2110S (U160 vs > U320) that will work, or is this an issue that affects anything using the > aac driver altogether? To my knowledge, it only affects the 2120 and 2200 cards. There really isn't a good reason to switch to the 2110S now that the bug has been fixed. > > Also, how does hardware RAID work? With vinum, I know that the 'RAID > configuration' is saved on the drive itself ... where is it saved on a > RAID controller? On the card itself? If I replace the controller, do I > end up losing all of my configuration? Or is it simple 'plug in new card > and reboot'? The 'metadata' is saved on each drive that composes the array. It is also saved in nvram on the card. When you turn on the machine, the card scans its scsi busses and compares what it finds to what it has stored, and configures itself accordingly. If you replace the controller, the new controller will scan the buses, see the drives and arrays, and configure itself to use them. It's designed to be pretty seamless and logical in this respect. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 19:59: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87CD37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:59:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [130.155.191.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F8343ED8 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:59:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R3wsEN057216; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:58:54 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200301270358.h0R3wsEN057216@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: William Palfreman Cc: Barney Wolff , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mark.Andrews@isc.org Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:02:55 -0000." <20030127004815.Y10725@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:58:54 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Barney Wolff wrote: > > > And of course, using the "alternate" roots is evil. > > Why is that then? I'm slaving the OpenNIC ones here without any > trouble. DNS just being an information service in the end I can't see > why there has to be the only one of its type. In fact, how can it be a > standard if there is only one implementation? :-) Did you ever here the term "natual monopoly". The DNS root is a example of such. When you try to change it all you do is reproduce it with additional unnecessary baggage like have to find all the "roots" to register the new TLD in. > I can think of some very good reasons *to* have multiple roots, for one > allowing new TLD domains to evolve spontaneously, and secondly to > prevent TLD and subdomains from coming under control of oppressive > governments and quasi-government agencies like ICANN. And why do you think that you should have the right to create arbitary new TLDs? Hell I would like the "prestige" of my own TLD but I know that it is *not* in the best interests of the world as a whole to have lots to TLDs which is the natural consequence to allowing anyone to set one up. In the end you end up with a massive root zone (similar to the COM zone) that requires very large machines to serve it or requires many smaller machines with a fancy front end. > AFAIK .za had to > move to the UK a while back precisely to avoid takeover by the South > African government, but even so, one fixed root is bound to lead to > increasing political control in the end. Well "za" should have known from the start that the South African government would possible want control at some point in time. It was quite evident from the start that governments would eventually wake up to the fact that the Internet existed and the naming structure included country codes. I know Robert Elz was aware that this was a possibility when "au" was established. That's also why we use "oz" not "au" for the top level of ACSnet. > > So what is the great theoretical objection to multiple roots then? > > -- > W. Palfreman. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Mark Andrews, Internet Software Consortium 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark.Andrews@isc.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 21:38: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C0837B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.eunet.yu (smtp2.eunet.yu [194.247.192.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437FF43ED8 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:38:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kolicz@eunet.yu) Received: (from root@localhost) by smtp2.eunet.yu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0R5btV08933 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG.KAV; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:37:55 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (P-2.21.eunet.yu [213.240.2.21]) by smtp2.eunet.yu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0R5brd03378 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:37:54 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Zoran Kolic Reply-To: kolicz@eunet.yu To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Zoltrix modem Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:58:32 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200301260858.32970.kolicz@eunet.yu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smtp2.eunet.yu id h0R5brd03378 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear FreeBSD! Hope that someone on the list has expirience with external Zoltrix modem named Rainbow. It should change my nightmare: lucent winmodem. Maker has a lot of data about windows com- pability, but freeBSD is not even men- tioned. Should I buy it? (Modem on the machine? Yes, gonna be RELEASE. I have no possibility to cvs or some other fancy thing.) Thnx Zoran Kolic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 21:38:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D8737B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pit.databus.com (p70-227.acedsl.com [66.114.70.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7128643ED8 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:38:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: from pit.databus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pit.databus.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R5cm73065856; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:38:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by pit.databus.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0R5cmlf065855; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:38:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:38:48 -0500 From: Barney Wolff To: Mark.Andrews@isc.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net Message-ID: <20030127053848.GA65764@pit.databus.com> References: <20030127004815.Y10725@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> <200301270358.h0R3wsEN057216@drugs.dv.isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301270358.h0R3wsEN057216@drugs.dv.isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just for the record, I wrote "... is evil" not the nonsense about OpenNIC. Please don't misattribute idiocy to me - my reputation is all I've got. Barney Wolff On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:58:54PM +1100, Mark.Andrews@isc.org wrote: > > > On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Barney Wolff wrote: > > > > > And of course, using the "alternate" roots is evil. > > > > Why is that then? I'm slaving the OpenNIC ones here without any > > trouble. DNS just being an information service in the end I can't see > > why there has to be the only one of its type. In fact, how can it be a > > standard if there is only one implementation? :-) > > Did you ever here the term "natual monopoly". The DNS root > is a example of such. When you try to change it all you > do is reproduce it with additional unnecessary baggage like > have to find all the "roots" to register the new TLD in. -- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 21:48:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CEE37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.museum.rain.com (gw-ipinc.museum.rain.com [206.29.169.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E849643F1E for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:48:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stable@museum.rain.com) Received: from ns.museum.rain.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.museum.rain.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R5mSbi002673; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:48:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stable@ns.museum.rain.com) Received: (from stable@localhost) by ns.museum.rain.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0R5mSul002672; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:48:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stable) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:48:28 -0800 From: James Long To: Zoran Kolic Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Zoltrix modem Message-ID: <20030126214828.A2655@ns.museum.rain.com> Reply-To: james_mapson@museum.rain.com References: <200301260858.32970.kolicz@eunet.yu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200301260858.32970.kolicz@eunet.yu>; from kolicz@eunet.yu on Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 08:58:32AM +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.43 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 08:58:32AM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: > Dear FreeBSD! > Hope that someone on the list has > expirience with external Zoltrix modem > named Rainbow. It should change my > nightmare: lucent winmodem. Maker > has a lot of data about windows com- > pability, but freeBSD is not even men- > tioned. Should I buy it? (Modem on the > machine? Yes, gonna be RELEASE. I have > no possibility to cvs or some other fancy > thing.) If it is based on the Lucent Winmodem chipset, as you say, it might be supported by the /usr/ports/comm/ltmdm port. Should you buy it? Only if you can return it for a refund should you find that it won't work with FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 22: 8:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B277E37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from voo.doo.net (voo.doo.net [81.17.45.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA5F43F5B for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:08:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@schneiders.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by voo.doo.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R68L6Z029613; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:08:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@schneiders.org) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:08:21 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders X-X-Sender: To: Barney Wolff Cc: Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net In-Reply-To: <20030127053848.GA65764@pit.databus.com> Message-ID: <20030127070509.G29588-100000@voo.doo.net> X-Preferred-email-to: marc@schneiders.org X-Other-email-to: marc@venster.nl X-Organization: Venster (Zeist - NL) X-URL: http://www.bijt.net/ X-SOA: A.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. X-OS: FreeBSD: The Power to Serve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, at 00:38 [=GMT-0500], Barney Wolff wrote: > Just for the record, I wrote "... is evil" not the nonsense about OpenNIC. > Please don't misattribute idiocy to me - my reputation is all I've got. And that is that you have strong opinions and use strong words to defend them in your recent messages to this list. Arguing something is not your forte. -- [08] We appreciate positive feedback. http://logoff.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 22: 8:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDC337B407 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from kumprang.or.id (www.kumprang.or.id [202.143.103.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2938F43F5F for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:08:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from budsz@kumprang.or.id) Received: (qmail 47068 invoked by uid 1008); 27 Jan 2003 06:11:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:11:39 +0700 From: budsz To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Problem ipfw Message-ID: <20030127061139.GA47015@kumprang.or.id> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-URL: "http://www.kumprang.or.id/~budsz/" X-Pubkey: "http://www.kumprang.or.id/~budsz/pubkey.txt" X-Pubkey-MD5: "http://www.kumprang.or.id/~budsz/pubkey-checksum.md5" X-Finger-Print: "A05A 268C 3CD4 ABBD D9EB 11E1 F64C 4B4E 6269 5304" X-Organization: "Internet Cafe and Game PC Kumprang" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I was upgrade my box with make world (FreeBSD STABLE), but some function firewall doesn't work well, if I typed : $ ipfw show 04086 1124985078808576 0 ip from any to any [opcode 0 len 0] [opcode 0 len 0] ... What that's mean? and how to prepare without make stable and install new kernel? -- budsz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 22:14:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0641937B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-57-224.client.attbi.com [12.233.57.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3565143EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:14:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0R6EA1Q001139; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:14:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h0R6EAkC001138; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:14:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:14:10 -0800 From: David Schultz To: Mike Harding Cc: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: whither demsg? Message-ID: <20030127061410.GA1018@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: Mike Harding , brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030126233804.AE62313189@netcom1.netcom.com> <20030126161529.A31248@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <20030127002031.7C81713142@netcom1.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030127002031.7C81713142@netcom1.netcom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Mike Harding : > Oh, I'm embarrased - the spelling got flushed from my cerebral cache, > and of course google (as always) has plently of examples of the > misspelled version. That's why it says Did you mean: /dmesg/ FreeBSD ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 26 23:38:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF9137B405; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunct0.jinr.ru (sunct0.jinr.ru [159.93.17.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB2943F5F; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:38:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linas@unix1.jinr.dubna.su) Received: from unix1.jinr.dubna.su (unix1.jinr.ru [159.93.17.121]) by sunct0.jinr.ru (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h0R7crsL012077; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:38:53 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from linas@localhost) by unix1.jinr.dubna.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0R7dVZ14866; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:39:31 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from linas) Message-Id: <200301270739.h0R7dVZ14866@unix1.jinr.dubna.su> Subject: Re: kern/47432: Fatal trap 12 when enabling promiscuous mode on fxp interface To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:39:30 +0300 (MSK) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org From: soloviova@stroimontazh.spb.ru X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL88 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! Last night I'd cvsuped my source tree to lastest -STABLE and this problem seems to disappear. ident if_fxp.c now shows v 1.110.2.27, vs old v 1.110.2.25. Thank you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 27 1:55:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E7437B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D2B43ED8 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:55:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eugen@kuzbass.ru) Received: from kuzbass.ru (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R9tJq5051340 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:55:19 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@kuzbass.ru) Message-ID: <3E3501E9.85AB745@kuzbass.ru> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:54:49 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: cron child waits for zombie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I see now on one of my production servers: # ps -ax|grep 193 0 193 191 15 -6 0 1032 372 piperd I ?? 0:00,00 cron: running job (cron) 0 195 193 68 36 0 0 0 - Z ?? 0:00,00 (sh) cron does not see that job is competed. It this a bug? # uname -a FreeBSD swd.svznov.kemerovo.su 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #7: Wed Jan 8 16:37:43 KRAT 2003 root@swd.svznov.kemerovo.su:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SWD i386 I could attach to process 193 using gdb if I knew what to do with it :-) Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 27 2:23:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F3D37B401; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:23:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns0.binep.ac.ru (serv2.binep.ac.ru [193.233.44.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E9A43F7E; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:23:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from goshik@binep.ac.ru) Received: from byfi (byfi.binep.ac.ru [193.233.44.234]) by ns0.binep.ac.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h0RBFWt58103; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:15:32 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from goshik@binep.ac.ru) Message-ID: <020801c2c5ee$22cace80$ea2ce9c1@binep.ac.ru> From: "Igor B. Bykhalo" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Cc: References: <200301232200.h0NM0BTK032884@intruder.bmah.org> Subject: slightly OT: official CD tree structure Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:23:25 +0300 Organization: BINEPCP RAS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm going to burn installation CDs after make release, but i also want to put distfiles of my ports on it, just for more convenient local work. The question is: where should i place distfiles? Should it be /distfiles or ports/distfiles? TIA, Igor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 27 3:41:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999B837B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 03:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from maila.telia.com (maila.telia.com [194.22.194.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B49843E4A for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 03:41:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from home@jukkis.net) Received: from d1o989.telia.com (d1o989.telia.com [213.65.228.241]) by maila.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0RBfmIg023160; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:41:48 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from sjukebox.js.serverbox.org (h80n2fls32o989.telia.com [217.208.125.80]) by d1o989.telia.com (8.10.2/8.10.1) with ESMTP id h0RBflB06777; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:41:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Zoltrix modem From: Jukka Simila To: Zoran Kolic Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20030126214828.A2655@ns.museum.rain.com> References: <200301260858.32970.kolicz@eunet.yu> <20030126214828.A2655@ns.museum.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043667765.2064.13.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 27 Jan 2003 12:42:46 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 06:48, James Long wrote: > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 08:58:32AM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: > > Dear FreeBSD! > > Hope that someone on the list has > > expirience with external Zoltrix modem External? As in connects-to-serial-and-obeys-standard-AT-commands-external? Should have no problems with that, I'd guess. With a quick google search it seems they use Rockwell chipset, and as far as I know, that's ok quality. > > named Rainbow. It should change my > > nightmare: lucent winmodem. Maker That external will definitely be improvement over win/linmodem.. > > has a lot of data about windows com- > > pability, but freeBSD is not even men- > > tioned. Should I buy it? (Modem on the > > machine? Yes, gonna be RELEASE. I have > > no possibility to cvs or some other fancy > > thing.) > AFAIK, all external modems work with any fbsd release. Someone correct me if you know of an exception. > If it is based on the Lucent Winmodem chipset, as you > say, it might be supported by the /usr/ports/comm/ltmdm > port. uh-huh... read the original message again. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 27 5: 1:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7665F37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.interbgc.com (mail.interbgc.com [217.9.224.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF41B43ED8 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:01:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nike_d@cytexbg.com) Received: (qmail 45484 invoked by uid 1005); 27 Jan 2003 13:01:21 -0000 Received: from nike_d@cytexbg.com by keeper.interbgc.com by uid 1002 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4244. Clear:. Processed in 8.880694 secs); 27 Jan 2003 13:01:21 -0000 Received: from 217-9-229-136.cablebg.net (HELO niked) (217.9.229.136) by mail.interbgc.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2003 13:01:12 -0000 Message-ID: <007801c2c604$13a16bb0$0300000a@niked> From: "Niki Denev" To: References: <200301260858.32970.kolicz@eunet.yu> <20030126214828.A2655@ns.museum.rain.com> <1043667765.2064.13.camel@localhost> Subject: Re: Zoltrix modem Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:00:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 06:48, James Long wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 08:58:32AM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: > > > Dear FreeBSD! > > > Hope that someone on the list has > > > expirience with external Zoltrix modem > External? As in > connects-to-serial-and-obeys-standard-AT-commands-external? > > Should have no problems with that, I'd guess. With a quick google > search it seems they use Rockwell chipset, and as far as I know, > that's ok quality. > > > > named Rainbow. It should change my > > > nightmare: lucent winmodem. Maker > > That external will definitely be improvement over win/linmodem.. > > > > has a lot of data about windows com- > > > pability, but freeBSD is not even men- > > > tioned. Should I buy it? (Modem on the > > > machine? Yes, gonna be RELEASE. I have > > > no possibility to cvs or some other fancy > > > thing.) > > > > AFAIK, all external modems work with any fbsd release. Someone > correct me if you know of an exception. > > > > If it is based on the Lucent Winmodem chipset, as you > > say, it might be supported by the /usr/ports/comm/ltmdm > > port. > uh-huh... read the original message again. > > Except maybe USB External modems. I've seen such modems from Acorp and they seem to be "software" like the win/lin modems. IMHO they should be avoided if possible. Aside from the bad quality and probable lack of support/drivers they consume a signifficant amount of CPU power, something that must be taken into account for those with slower machines. Regards, Niki Denev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 27 6: 0:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E4037B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from kumprang.or.id (www.kumprang.or.id [202.143.103.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32C0D43E4A for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:00:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from budsz@kumprang.or.id) Received: (qmail 53807 invoked by uid 1008); 27 Jan 2003 14:03:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:03:22 +0700 From: budsz To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tunnel Message-ID: <20030127140322.GA52281@kumprang.or.id> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-URL: "http://www.kumprang.or.id/~budsz/" X-Pubkey: "http://www.kumprang.or.id/~budsz/pubkey.txt" X-Pubkey-MD5: "http://www.kumprang.or.id/~budsz/pubkey-checksum.md5" X-Finger-Print: "A05A 268C 3CD4 ABBD D9EB 11E1 F64C 4B4E 6269 5304" X-Organization: "Internet Cafe and Game PC Kumprang" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've tried some tunnel in FreeBSD STABLE box, I started with this URL : http://www.ezunix.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=5&page=1 I've two interface in that machine 'wi0' and 'xl0', wi0 link to my IPS and xl0 link for my local net. My ifconfig output look like: router# ifconfig -a xl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 202.143.103.229 netmask 0xfffffff0 broadcast 202.143.103.239 inet6 fe80::260:97ff:fedc:f02e%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 202.143.103.225 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 202.143.103.225 ether 00:60:97:dc:f0:2e media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 faith0: flags=8002 mtu 1500 wi0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 202.143.98.250 netmask 0xfffffffc broadcast 202.143.98.251 inet6 fe80::202:2dff:fe2d:228b%wi0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 ether 00:02:2d:2d:22:8b media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect (DS/11Mbps) status: associated ssid terasnet-09 1:terasnet-09 stationname kumprang channel 2 authmode OPEN powersavemode OFF powersavesleep 100 wepmode MIXED weptxkey 1 wepkey 1:64-bit gif0: flags=8051 mtu 1280 tunnel inet 202.143.103.229 --> 213.253.1.201 inet6 2001:618:4:2000::dde --> 2001:618:4:2000::ddd prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::260:97ff:fedc:f02e%gif0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x6 I used ipng.org.uk for broke tunnel, so this /etc/tunnel.conf # Account details username=user password=XXXXX #host and port of tunnel server (5571 non ssl, 5572 ssl) hostname=ipng.org.uk port=5572 #interface containing the tunnel endpoint ip and the tunnel interface name local_interface=xl0 tunnel_interface=gif0 #remote tunnel ipv4 endpoint and tunnel ipv6 endpoints #local_ip= - Only use this if you have a static address! local_ip=202.143.103.229 remote_ip=213.253.1.201 local_endpoint=2001:618:4:2000::dde remote_endpoint=2001:618:4:2000::ddd I've tunnel in inside interface xl0 (202.143.103.229). and I run a tunnelc like: router# ifconfig gif0 destroy router# tunnelc WARNING: Unable to verify Server Certificate 210 - OK TLS Session Established. DES-CBC3-SHA 200 - Tunnel Server 0.2.1 waiting. 201 - OK Now a password if you please. 202 - OK Password accepted. Welcome budsz 203 - OK Ip updated to 202.143.103.229 210 - OK If you insist. Bye. add net default: gateway 2001:618:4:2000::ddd Tunnel(gif0) created For ipf.rules and ipf6.rules: router# cat /etc/ipf.rules pass in all pass out all router# cat /etc/ipf6.rules pass in all pass out all So, I try to ping to xl0: router# ping6 2001:618:4:2000::dde PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2001:618:4:2000::dde --> 2001:618:4:2000::dde 16 bytes from 2001:618:4:2000::dde, icmp_seq=0 hlim=64 time=0.54 ms 16 bytes from 2001:618:4:2000::dde, icmp_seq=1 hlim=64 time=0.453 ms ^C --- 2001:618:4:2000::dde ping6 statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 0.453/0.497/0.540/0.043 ms If I try to broke gateway: router# ping6 2001:618:4:2000::ddd PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2001:618:4:2000::dde --> 2001:618:4:2000::ddd ping6: sendmsg: No route to host ping6: wrote 2001:618:4:2000::ddd 16 chars, ret=-1 ping6: sendmsg: No route to host ping6: wrote 2001:618:4:2000::ddd 16 chars, ret=-1 I try to find in routing table: $ netstat -r | more Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire :: localhost.kumprang UGRSc lo0 => default gif1635.tunnels.ip UGSc gif0 localhost.kumprang localhost.kumprang UH lo0 ::ffff:0.0.0.0 localhost.kumprang UGRSc lo0 gif1635.tunnels.ip UH gif0 link#6 UHL lo0 fe80:: localhost.kumprang UGRSc lo0 fe80::%xl0 link#1 UC xl0 fe80::260:97ff:fed 00:60:97:dc:f0:2e UHL lo0 fe80::%lo0 fe80::1%lo0 Uc lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#3 UHL lo0 fe80::%wi0 link#5 UC wi0 fe80::202:2dff:fe2 00:02:2d:2d:22:8b UHL lo0 fe80::%gif0 link#6 UC gif0 fe80::260:97ff:fed link#6 UHL lo0 ff01:: localhost.kumprang U lo0 ff02:: localhost.kumprang UGRS lo0 ff02::%xl0 link#1 UC xl0 ff02::%lo0 localhost.kumprang UC lo0 ff02::%wi0 link#5 UC wi0 ff02::%gif0 link#6 UC gif0 I can't understand why it's happen, so finally I ask to this malinglist because google.com can not help me. would you like explain this? Thank You for advance. -- budsz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 27 7:46:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A86F37B405 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.museum.rain.com (gw-ipinc.museum.rain.com [206.29.169.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162D043EB2 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:46:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stable@museum.rain.com) Received: from ns.museum.rain.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.museum.rain.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RFkkLW004516; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:46:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stable@ns.museum.rain.com) Received: (from stable@localhost) by ns.museum.rain.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RFkjNV004515; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stable) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:46:45 -0800 From: James Long To: Jukka Simila Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Zoltrix modem Message-ID: <20030127074645.A4499@ns.museum.rain.com> Reply-To: james_mapson@museum.rain.com References: <200301260858.32970.kolicz@eunet.yu> <20030126214828.A2655@ns.museum.rain.com> <1043667765.2064.13.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1043667765.2064.13.camel@localhost>; from home@jukkis.net on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 12:42:46PM +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.43 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 12:42:46PM +0100, Jukka Simila wrote: > External? As in > connects-to-serial-and-obeys-standard-AT-commands-external? d'oh! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 27 9:44: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACA537B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from gicco.homeip.net (dclient80-218-75-162.hispeed.ch [80.218.75.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1F343F13 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:43:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hampi@rootshell.be) Received: from localhost.here (idefix@gicco.homeip.net [127.0.0.1]) by gicco.homeip.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RHhq9c001973 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:43:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hampi@rootshell.be) Received: (from idefix@localhost) by localhost.here (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RHhpC7001972 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:43:51 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.here: idefix set sender to hampi@rootshell.be using -f Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:43:51 +0100 From: Hanspeter Roth To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net Message-ID: <20030127174351.GA1740@gicco.homeip.net> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030126130837.GA399@gicco.homeip.net> <20030126224956.K27492-100000@voo.doo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030126224956.K27492-100000@voo.doo.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Jan 26 at 23:48, Marc Schneiders spoke: > A more permanent solution is to run secondary for root. This has Hm, this is an interesting idea. > several advantages. One being speed. The root data will be on your > machine and automatically refreshed every 30 minutes (only when there > are changes, so no useless traffic) by AXFR. If there is another DDoS But if everybody does this the root servers will probably be much more loaded, won't they? So it's probably only for `privileged' users? > attack on the root-servers, you won't suffer from it, for you have the > data yourself. And they don't change much. If root is handled in hint mode I shouldn't suffer too much anyway? > If you care for alternative, extra domains, you replace the IP > numbers indicated by ORSC root-servers (that allow AXFR) and you put What is ORSC? Is it's data identical with the one from the NET servers? Or das it have more or different data? Is it where the hijacks (dns-spoofs) come from? -Hanspeter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 27 10: 5:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852A637B401; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52C643E4A; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 520023893678-0001@t-online.de) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18dDdR-0007CK-06; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:05:29 +0100 Received: from pD950C7ED.dip.t-dialin.net (520023893678-0001@[217.80.199.237]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18dDdD-0UCM0eC; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:05:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:04:42 +0000 (GMT) From: 520023893678-0001@t-online.de (P. U. Kruppa) To: "Igor B. Bykhalo" Cc: FreeBSD Questions , "" Subject: Re: slightly OT: official CD tree structure In-Reply-To: <020801c2c5ee$22cace80$ea2ce9c1@binep.ac.ru> Message-ID: <20030127190357.G21839@small.pukruppa.de> References: <200301232200.h0NM0BTK032884@intruder.bmah.org> <020801c2c5ee$22cace80$ea2ce9c1@binep.ac.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: 520023893678-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Igor B. Bykhalo wrote: > I'm going to burn installation CDs after make release, > but i also want to put distfiles of my ports on it, > just for more convenient local work. > > The question is: where should i place distfiles? > Should it be /distfiles or ports/distfiles? Default should be /usr/ports/distfiles Regards, Uli. > > TIA, > Igor > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > *-----------------------------------* * Peter Ulrich Kruppa * * - Wuppertal - * * Germany * *-----------------------------------* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 27 11:18:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D2137B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58D243F18 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:18:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F5D8C9D30; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:18:20 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:18:20 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Scott Long Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2120s RAID Controller with 4.7-RELEASE ... alternative? In-Reply-To: <3E34AAF6.4080902@btc.adaptec.com> Message-ID: <20030127151711.J22851@hub.org> References: <20030126223025.X15704@hub.org> <3E34AAF6.4080902@btc.adaptec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Scott Long wrote: > Yes, this checkin addresses the last known problems in the driver. If you > can update to 4-STABLE, the driver will work. 'K, thanks ... > The 'metadata' is saved on each drive that composes the array. It is also > saved in nvram on the card. When you turn on the machine, the card scans > its scsi busses and compares what it finds to what it has stored, and > configures itself accordingly. If you replace the controller, the new > controller will scan the buses, see the drives and arrays, and configure > itself > to use them. It's designed to be pretty seamless and logical in this > respect. what if the drives are put in under different SCSI ids? does it know how to deal with that as well? I tried it with one of the ZCR cards, and it didn't seem to be able to reconfigure itself for the change in ordering, but I may have not done something right ... ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 27 11:41:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D7637B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D7D43F13 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:41:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott_long@btc.adaptec.com) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RJf7D05620; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [10.100.0.52]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23068; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.adaptec.com (hollin [10.100.253.56]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24626; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:40:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E358A84.1050207@btc.adaptec.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:37:40 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2120s RAID Controller with 4.7-RELEASE ... alternative? References: <20030126223025.X15704@hub.org> <3E34AAF6.4080902@btc.adaptec.com> <20030127151711.J22851@hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20030126223025.X15704@hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Scott Long wrote: > > > >Yes, this checkin addresses the last known problems in the driver. > If you > >can update to 4-STABLE, the driver will work. > > > 'K, thanks ... > > > >The 'metadata' is saved on each drive that composes the array. It is > also > >saved in nvram on the card. When you turn on the machine, the card scans > >its scsi busses and compares what it finds to what it has stored, and > >configures itself accordingly. If you replace the controller, the new > >controller will scan the buses, see the drives and arrays, and configure > >itself > >to use them. It's designed to be pretty seamless and logical in this > >respect. > > > what if the drives are put in under different SCSI ids? does it know how > to deal with that as well? I tried it with one of the ZCR cards, and it > didn't seem to be able to reconfigure itself for the change in ordering, > but I may have not done something right ... ? You're taking your chances by doing this. The details of how the aac and asr controller firmware (which, btw, are vastly different) each handle and validate their metadata is not something that I can comment on, so my advice is to keep your configuration as static as possible. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 27 12:46:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A21C37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DF243E4A for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:46:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (localhost.dlib.vt.edu [127.0.0.1]) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RKkl7t000499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:46:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: (from paul@localhost) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RKkl9f000498 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:46:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:46:47 -0500 From: Paul Mather To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with NVIDIA kernel driver with recent kernel Message-ID: <20030127204647.GA373@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-No-Archive: yes X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/i386 4.7-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just did a full buildworld/buildkernel/installkernel/installworld/ mergemaster cycle based upon sources cvsupped earlier today. For some reason, the NVIDIA driver doesn't want to play nice anymore. Specifically, if I preload it (via /boot/loader.conf) it stops several devices from probing correctly upon boot. Some of these are useful devices, like the VGA and syscons console, so my system is left with no console access. :-( Oddly, if I don't preload nvidia.ko, the kernel will boot and probe all my devices properly---just like the previous kernel did. Furthermore, if I don't preload nvidia.ko and boot to single user, I can then kldload nvidia.ko and everything will work fine. (Going that route, I have a working console, with virtual consoles, and I can use X with the NVIDIA drivers, too---just like with my old kernel.) Has anyone else experienced this? My NVIDIA drivers are installed from /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver (nvidia-driver-1.0.3203), and I reinstalled the port after installing my new kernel (just to be on the safe side). Here is a diff of /var/run/dmesg.boot for the same new kernel booted with and without nvidia.ko preloaded: < = nvidia.ko preloaded > = nvidia.ko not preloaded ===== cut here ===== < avail memory = 517001216 (504884K bytes) < Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0519000. < Preloaded elf module "linux.ko" at 0xc051909c. < Preloaded elf module "nvidia.ko" at 0xc051913c. --- > avail memory = 518459392 (506308K bytes) > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc03b5000. 39c37 < nvidia0: mem 0xd0000000-0xd7ffffff,0xde000000-0xdeffffff irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci1 --- > pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 70a69,91 > isa0: on motherboard > orm0: