From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 02:16:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271DC37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEAF43F93 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:16:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from metrol@metrol.net) Received: from metlap (adsl-67-121-60-9.dsl.anhm01.pacbell.net [67.121.60.9]) h3D9GH9e489324 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:16:18 -0400 From: Michael Collette To: FreeBSD Mailing Lists Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:16:15 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304130216.15475.metrol@metrol.net> Subject: Re: PATCH: Forcible delaying of UFS (soft)updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:16:20 -0000 Jon Hamilton wrote: > Dave Hart , said on Sat Apr 12, 2003 [04:58:13 PM]: > } Marko Zec said: > [...] > } > If the disk would start spinning every now and than, > } > the whole patch would than become pointless... > } > } As I feared. > } > } > [...] the fact that the modified fsync() just returns > } > without doing anything useful doesn't mean the data will be > } > lost - it will simply be delayed until the next coalesced > } > updating occurs. > } > } Unless, of course, your system or power happens to fail. > } Imagine you have a database program keeping track of banking > } transactions. This program uses fsync() to ensure its > } transaction logs are committed to reliable storage before > } indicating the transaction is completed. Suppose the moment > } after I withdraw $500 from an ATM, the operating system or > } hardware fails at the bank. > > Right. So in such a situation, the admin for that system would not > enable this optional behavior. There probably aren't too many cases > where mission critical financial transaction systems run on a laptop > on which the desire is maximal battery life, which is the case from > which this whole patch/discussion derives. It's a conscious tradeoff. Despite criticism of Dave's comments, I'd also be a little concerned about what had been written to the drive prior to unexpected power loss. I'm saying this as a person who uses a laptop as my primary desktop machine. Real world laptop scenario. I just finish downloading my E-Mail. I then take and put this machine into a suspend mode. Upon awakening the system glitches for some reason forcing an unexpected system shutdown. (Note: I am having this problem now with a Thinkpad T23) Did my mail get written to the drive prior to suspending? I'll grant you that this isn't in the same league as moving cash around, but to me that mail is absolutely mission critical. I'd love to get 10% more battery life from my laptop, but not at the expense of having a file system that loses data on any unclean shutdown. Be it moving $500, storing E-Mail, or just saving a document I had been working on. With this patch in play when I tell an app to save a document will it? Later on, -- "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 04:18:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C05C37B404 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE9B43FAF for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:18:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (ru@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h3DBIdhJ068419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:18:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h3DBIVpE068408; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:18:31 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:18:30 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Carl Morley Message-ID: <20030413111830.GA67127@sunbay.com> References: <20030412104349.GC35788@sunbay.com> <002401c3013f$b000dd80$0a64a8c0@webizepc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002401c3013f$b000dd80$0a64a8c0@webizepc> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: 'Carl Morley' cc: 'FreeBSD Stable' Subject: Re: make buildworld error - 4.8-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 11:18:53 -0000 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 08:05:54AM +1000, Carl Morley wrote: >=20 >=20 > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > >stable@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Ruslan Ermilov > >Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2003 20:44 > >To: Carl Morley > >Cc: FreeBSD Stable > >Subject: Re: make buildworld error - 4.8-STABLE > > > >On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 11:57:53AM +1000, Carl Morley wrote: > >> Below is from make buildworld output on FreeBSD cvsup'd to RELENG_4 > (so > >> 4.8-STABLE) on the following hardware: > >> > >> Intel SHG2 Hodges Dual Xeon board > >> 2 x Intel Xeon 2.4Ghz (512k) > >> 2 x 512MB PC-2100 266Mhz ECC DDR > >> Seagate 36GB 10K U320 LC SCSI > >> Adaptec SCSI Raid 2000s 48MB SDRAM > >> Intel Hudson 3 SC5200 base w 450W > >> > >> Any suggestions? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Carl. > >> > >> > >> > >> cc -o make_keys -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses > >> -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses > >> -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/include -Wall > >> -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMIOS > >> > /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/make_keys.c > >> /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot find -lc > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop in /usr/src/lib/libncurses. > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop in /usr/src. > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop in /usr/src. > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop in /usr/src. > >> *** Error code 1 > >> > >> Stop in /usr/src. > >> thumper# > >> > >> > >Try to figure out why /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.* wasn't > >created in the "libraries" stage of buildworld. > > > Should I go into the /usr/src/lib directory and do a 'make' to try and > pinpoint this? >=20 No. I now guess what your problem is. Either your computer's date is set incorrectly, or some /usr/src files have modification date/time set to the future, but usually the first. This fools make(1) to think that it should rebuilt sources when it's not supposed to. In this case, even though make(1) has already built the "make_keys" build-tool for libncurses, it still tries to rebuild it in the "library" stage, when it's not supposed to. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+mUeGUkv4P6juNwoRAkxuAJ4jUSCzblieTiBte0JXWkHZHFk9VACfUQrQ 64CytTNxGKB1vsUE8tuzdhY= =oRX+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 05:17:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A0237B404 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.webize.com.au (gateway.webize.com.au [203.17.1.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 292EF43FCB for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:17:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlm@webize.com.au) Received: (qmail 2475 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 12:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webizepc) (192.168.100.10) by 192.168.100.50 with SMTP; 13 Apr 2003 12:14:39 -0000 From: "Carl Morley" Cc: "'FreeBSD Stable'" Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:16:34 +1000 Message-ID: <002301c301b6$86a2aeb0$0a64a8c0@webizepc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030413111830.GA67127@sunbay.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: make buildworld error - 4.8-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:17:14 -0000 >-----Original Message----- >From: Ruslan Ermilov [mailto:ru@freebsd.org] >Sent: Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:19 >To: Carl Morley >Cc: 'Carl Morley'; 'FreeBSD Stable' >Subject: Re: make buildworld error - 4.8-STABLE > >On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 08:05:54AM +1000, Carl Morley wrote: >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- >> >stable@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Ruslan Ermilov >> >Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2003 20:44 >> >To: Carl Morley >> >Cc: FreeBSD Stable >> >Subject: Re: make buildworld error - 4.8-STABLE >> > >> >On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 11:57:53AM +1000, Carl Morley wrote: >> >> Below is from make buildworld output on FreeBSD cvsup'd to RELENG_4 >> (so >> >> 4.8-STABLE) on the following hardware: >> >> >> >> Intel SHG2 Hodges Dual Xeon board >> >> 2 x Intel Xeon 2.4Ghz (512k) >> >> 2 x 512MB PC-2100 266Mhz ECC DDR >> >> Seagate 36GB 10K U320 LC SCSI >> >> Adaptec SCSI Raid 2000s 48MB SDRAM >> >> Intel Hudson 3 SC5200 base w 450W >> >> >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Carl. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> cc -o make_keys -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses >> >> -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses >> >> -I/usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/include -Wall >> >> -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DNDEBUG -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMIOS >> >> >> /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/make_keys.c >> >> /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot find -lc >> >> *** Error code 1 >> >> >> >> Stop in /usr/src/lib/libncurses. >> >> *** Error code 1 >> >> >> >> Stop in /usr/src. >> >> *** Error code 1 >> >> >> >> Stop in /usr/src. >> >> *** Error code 1 >> >> >> >> Stop in /usr/src. >> >> *** Error code 1 >> >> >> >> Stop in /usr/src. >> >> thumper# >> >> >> >> >> >Try to figure out why /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.* wasn't >> >created in the "libraries" stage of buildworld. >> > >> Should I go into the /usr/src/lib directory and do a 'make' to try and >> pinpoint this? >> >No. I now guess what your problem is. > >Either your computer's date is set incorrectly, or some >/usr/src files have modification date/time set to the >future, but usually the first. This fools make(1) to >think that it should rebuilt sources when it's not supposed >to. > >In this case, even though make(1) has already built the >"make_keys" build-tool for libncurses, it still tries >to rebuild it in the "library" stage, when it's not >supposed to. Indeed you are correct.... after losing many hairs from the head, I noticed this morning that the date was out by 3 years... Thanks for your accurate diagnosis. > > >Cheers, >-- >Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, >ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, >ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, >+380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine > >http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve >http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 05:52:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D3237B404 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (174.113.sn.ct.dsl.thebiz.net [216.238.113.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CE343FAF for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zlists@mgm51.com) Received: from winbloat (unknown [10.0.1.10]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475C92942D for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 08:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200304130852120370.002F0F8B@sentry.24cl.com> In-Reply-To: <200304130216.15475.metrol@metrol.net> References: <200304130216.15475.metrol@metrol.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.01.01 (4) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 08:52:12 -0400 From: "MikeM" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: PATCH: Forcible delaying of UFS (soft)updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:52:14 -0000 On 4/13/2003 at 2:16 AM Michael Collette wrote: |... |Did my mail get written to the drive prior to suspending? I'll |grant you that this isn't in the same league as moving cash around, |but to me that mail is absolutely mission critical. | |I'd love to get 10% more battery life from my laptop, but not at the |expense of having a file system that loses data on any unclean |shutdown. Be it moving $500, storing E-Mail, or just saving a |document I had been working on. ... ============= In your case, if you consider what you are doing on the notebokk to be "mission critical", it would not be prudent to use the optional feature the patch provides. My reading of this thread has not found any indication that the patch is in effect either by default or without your desire to run it. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 10:55:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD9837B405; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chez.McKusick.COM (chez.mckusick.com [209.31.233.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF0643F93; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:55:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mckusick@mckusick.com) Received: from beastie.mckusick.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beastie.mckusick.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3D04Vb5006635; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mckusick@beastie.mckusick.com) Message-Id: <200304130004.h3D04Vb5006635@beastie.mckusick.com> To: Marko Zec In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:41:17 +0200." <3E976EBD.C3E66EF8@tel.fer.hr> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:04:31 -0700 From: Kirk McKusick cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PATCH: Forcible delaying of UFS (soft)updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:55:11 -0000 I am of the opinion that fsync should work. Applications like `vi' use fsync to ensure that the write of the new file is on stable store before removing the old copy. If that semantic is broken, it would be possible to have neither the old nor the new copy of your file after a crash. I do not consider that acceptable behavior. Further, the fsync call is used to ensure that link/unlink/rename have been completed. So more than just fsync is being affected by your change. Lastly, I often write out a file when I am about to suspend my laptop (for low battery or other reasons) and I really want that file on the disk now. I do not want to have to wait for it to decide at some future time to spin up the disk. I suggest that you make the disabling of fsync a separate option from the rest of your change so that people can decide for themselves whether they want partial savings with working semantics, or greater savings with broken semantics. I am also intrigued by the changes proposed by Ian Dowse that may better accomplish the same goals with less breakage. Kirk McKusick From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 19:11:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D1137B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21C443FBD for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jd@jackdan.net) Received: from server.jackdan.net ([65.95.50.119]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20030414021134.CONZ10384.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@server.jackdan.net> for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:11:34 -0400 Received: from jackdan.net (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by server.jackdan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB6FD917 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:14:42 -0400 From: Jd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 2 questions... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:11:37 -0000 I know this is a freeBSD mailing list, but I didn't know where else to ask this question. I've recently switch to FreeBSD 4.8 (great OS btw), and I've been so pleasantly surprised that i'm now planning to switch over my dad's firm over to freeBSD. There computers/software are rapidly getting old and obselete, and microsoft's price/security is...well expensive/crap. I can pretty much convert everything they do there to freeBSD without a problem. There is only 1 thing I'm not sure how to do, and this is my question. The employees have to fill out forms for the clients. Now these forms, when printed, must look exactly like predefined government forms (yes it's all legal). Also, since it's the government, and they need to justify a few salaries, they change the forms every now and then. I was wondering if anyone knows of a project that already exists to create/fillout forms like this, or if not an existing project, maybe just a library, a module, a something where I could start reading. Basically I want to create legal like forms to fill out for clients. On a more BSD question, with freeBSd 4.8 release, does anyone else get an error after installing mozilla (no running window found)? If so any workarounds? Yes I updated my port tree. Thanks in advance, Jd From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 19:22:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A76B37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4328F43FA3 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from gabby.gsicomp.on.ca ([65.95.176.5]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20030414022229.RRYT1594.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@gabby.gsicomp.on.ca>; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:22:29 -0400 Received: from hermes (hermes.gsicomp.on.ca [192.168.0.18]) by gabby.gsicomp.on.ca (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h3E2JRiG098699; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:19:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Message-ID: <001701c3022c$a882b220$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matthew Emmerton" To: "Jd" , References: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:22:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: 2 questions... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:22:31 -0000 > I know this is a freeBSD mailing list, but I didn't know where else to > ask this question. I've recently switch to FreeBSD 4.8 (great OS btw), > and I've been so pleasantly surprised that i'm now planning to switch > over my dad's firm over to freeBSD. There computers/software are > rapidly getting old and obselete, and microsoft's price/security > is...well expensive/crap. I can pretty much convert everything they do > there to freeBSD without a problem. > > There is only 1 thing I'm not sure how to do, and this is my question. > The employees have to fill out forms for the clients. Now these forms, > when printed, must look exactly like predefined government forms (yes > it's all legal). Also, since it's the government, and they need to > justify a few salaries, they change the forms every now and then. I was > wondering if anyone knows of a project that already exists to > create/fillout forms like this, or if not an existing project, maybe > just a library, a module, a something where I could start reading. > Basically I want to create legal like forms to fill out for clients. It sounds like you want Adobe Acrobat (the full product, not the reader.) With this you can create fillable-form-PDF files, which anyone with Acrobat Reader can fill out and print, making them look nice and pretty :) Adobe's products are available for Windows and Linux (but not FreeBSD). However, you might be able to get the Linux version to work on FreeBSD via the Linux emulator. Alternatively, you could keep one Windows machine around the office to do this kind of work on. -- Matt Emmerton From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 19:34:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0916337B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pit.databus.com (p70-227.acedsl.com [66.114.70.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4569A43FAF for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: from pit.databus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pit.databus.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3E2YudN082039; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:34:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by pit.databus.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3E2YuvR082038; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:34:56 -0400 From: Barney Wolff To: Jd Message-ID: <20030414023456.GA81888@pit.databus.com> References: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 questions... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:34:58 -0000 On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 03:14:42PM -0400, Jd wrote: > > There is only 1 thing I'm not sure how to do, and this is my question. > The employees have to fill out forms for the clients. Now these forms, > when printed, must look exactly like predefined government forms (yes > it's all legal). Also, since it's the government, and they need to > justify a few salaries, they change the forms every now and then. I was > wondering if anyone knows of a project that already exists to > create/fillout forms like this, or if not an existing project, maybe > just a library, a module, a something where I could start reading. > Basically I want to create legal like forms to fill out for clients. I have no answer for creating forms, but for filling out forms the Linux version of Adobe's Acrobat reader works fine under FreeBSD. I've used it to fill out govt tax forms from www.irs.gov. See the acroread5 port. > On a more BSD question, with freeBSd 4.8 release, does anyone else get > an error after installing mozilla (no running window found)? If so any > workarounds? Yes I updated my port tree. The message itself is not an error, just Mozilla's comment that there is no *other* copy of Mozilla already running. If the Mozilla window never appears you may well have a font problem - check the archives for the various things to try. -- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 19:43:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C45537B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419C843FBF for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-lists@lister.dnsalias.net) Received: from ilister.dialup.dstc.edu.au (ilister.dialup.dstc.edu.au [130.102.182.103]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3E2hGiE013905; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:43:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (ilister@localhost)h3E2hDY42187; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:43:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd-lists@lister.dnsalias.net) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:43:13 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Lister X-X-Sender: ilister@sapporo.home To: Jd In-Reply-To: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checked: SPAMASSASSIN: This message probably not SPAM X-Spam-Score: -3.8, Required: 5 X-Virus-Scanned: Message: ok X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.9 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 questions... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:43:26 -0000 On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Jd wrote: >On a more BSD question, with freeBSd 4.8 release, does anyone else get >an error after installing mozilla (no running window found)? If so any >workarounds? Yes I updated my port tree. Any chance you're using tvtwm or Enlightenment? http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122498 Ian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 19:48:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB8D37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pit.databus.com (p70-227.acedsl.com [66.114.70.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DAEE43FE5 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:48:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: from pit.databus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pit.databus.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3E2mTdN082156; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:48:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by pit.databus.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3E2mTJ0082155; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:48:29 -0400 From: Barney Wolff To: Matthew Emmerton Message-ID: <20030414024829.GB81888@pit.databus.com> References: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> <001701c3022c$a882b220$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001701c3022c$a882b220$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Jd Subject: Re: 2 questions... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:48:31 -0000 On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 10:22:12PM -0400, Matthew Emmerton wrote: > > Adobe's products are available for Windows and Linux (but not FreeBSD). > However, you might be able to get the Linux version to work on FreeBSD via > the Linux emulator. I did not see any indication on www.adobe.com that the new full-version Acrobat is available for Linux, just Windows and Mac. I'd love to be wrong. Acroread for Linux is a free download tho, and does run on FBSD. > Alternatively, you could keep one Windows machine around the office to do > this kind of work on. Or dual-boot, depending on how often you need it. -- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 21:48:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAA637B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from octo.sytes.net (aoji19nyy47g9.ab.hsia.telus.net [142.59.78.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDED43FA3 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otacon@octo.sytes.net) Received: from octo.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by octo.sytes.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3E4mI9w000519 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:48:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otacon@octo.sytes.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by octo.sytes.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BKHW6Y063599 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:17:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Patrick C To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:17:32 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200304101748.h3AHm5Po034991@octo.sytes.net> <1049998234.381.58.camel@gyros> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304111417.32401.patrick@filespanker.com> Subject: Re: regchrome causes segfault during Mozilla build X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: patrick@filespanker.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 04:48:24 -0000 On April 10, 2003 12:40 pm, Luke Hollins wrote: > > > >Release: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE i386 > > > >Environment: > > > > > > System: FreeBSD octo.sytes.net 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #4: Wed > > > Apr 9 14:48:08 MDT 2003 > > > otacon@octo.sytes.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CONTRA i386 > > > > > > >Description: > > > > > > (cd /usr/ports/www/mozilla/work/mozilla/dist/bin; /usr/bin/env > > > LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=. ./regxpcom; /usr/bin/env > > > LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=. ./regchrome; /usr/bin/touch > > > ./chrome/user-skins.rdf ./chrome/user-locales.rdf) Segmentation fault > > > (core dumped) > > > *** Error code 139 > > > > > > I've tried using gcc2.95.4 and gcc3.2.2, both generate the same error, > > > with or without optimizations. Here are the CFLAGS I've used: > > > gcc3.2.2: CFLAGS=-O -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -mmmx -msse > > > -march=pentium3 -mcpu=pentium3 gcc2.95.4: CFLAGS=-O -pipe > > > -fomit-frame-pointer -march=pentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro > > > > In the handbook it states that you should not report bugs unless you've > > built with _default_ CFLAGS. Please rebuild Mozilla with -O -pipe, and > > see if the problem persists. > > I have had the same problem on many machines, removing any > -f and -O options has always fixed it. Removing -fomit-frame-pointer fixed the regchrome segfault. Mozilla did compile with the -O flag left in. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 21:52:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2CE37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4DA43F3F for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3E4qlA7049053; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:51:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20030413.225142.39143716.imp@bsdimp.com> To: allbery@ece.cmu.edu From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <1050134860.7300.0.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> References: <3E976EBD.C3E66EF8@tel.fer.hr> <20030412033307.GR30960@elvis.mu.org> <1050134860.7300.0.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: bright@mu.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PATCH: Forcible delaying of UFS (soft)updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 04:52:54 -0000 In message: <1050134860.7300.0.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH writes: : On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 23:33, Alfred Perlstein wrote: : > * Marko Zec [030411 19:01] wrote: : > > - fsync() no longer flushes the buffers to disk, but returns immediately : > > instead; : > : > This is really the only bad thing I can see here, what about introducing : > a slight delay and seeing if one can coalesce the writes? Is this : > part really needed? Making fsync() not work is a good way to make : > any sort of userland based transactional system break badly. : : If you're running that kind of thing you really don't want to be using : extended delays anyway, I'd think. Trouble is that lots of things uses fsync behind the scenes... Warner From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 21:55:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FD237B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E761943FAF for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3E4tQA7049085; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20030413.225421.100830048.imp@bsdimp.com> To: kosta_k@phreaker.net From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <002201c3011c$657786b0$d0c831d2@kostawkst> References: <002201c3011c$657786b0$d0c831d2@kostawkst> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports/sys prob X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 04:55:35 -0000 In message: <002201c3011c$657786b0$d0c831d2@kostawkst> "Kosta K" writes: : Does anyone have any idea why i am having this prob on 4.7? : : Thanks! : : ===> Extracting for rtc-2002.03.05.2_1 : >> No MD5 checksum file. : ===> Patching for rtc-2002.03.05.2_1 : ===> Configuring for rtc-2002.03.05.2_1 : ===> Building for rtc-2002.03.05.2_1 : "/sys/conf/kmod.mk", line 66: "Do not use KMODDEPS on 5.0+, use : MODULE_VERSION/MODULE_DEPEND" Because rtc hans't been updated for 5 yet? warner From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 21:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D6037B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E4843F93 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3E4xKA7049096; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:59:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20030413.225814.45028971.imp@bsdimp.com> To: cbehanna@panasas.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200304121548.56524.cbehanna@panasas.com> References: <200304121548.56524.cbehanna@panasas.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PATCH: Forcible delaying of UFS (soft)updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 04:59:22 -0000 In message: <200304121548.56524.cbehanna@panasas.com> Chris BeHanna writes: : > Unless, of course, your system or power happens to fail. : > Imagine you have a database program keeping track of banking : > transactions. [...] : : Then you won't be running that program on a *laptop*, now, will : you? It'll be in a NOC with hefty power-failover hardware already in : place. : : Can we pretty please keep criticisms of this patch in their proper : context? Power-saving features for a *laptop* have little or no : bearing on the behavior of mission-critical back office applications. Actually, you will. Let's not think laptops are such crappy things that nothing interesting is going on on them. I get all my email on my laptop. nmh uses fsync (or did once upon a time) to make sure that its messages are properly on fixed media format. There are other programs that I use all the time that do this too (emacs springs to mind). When I save a file, I damn well want it on disk, in case the crappy batteries that I have cause me to go down before the timeout period is over. So not only is this not a theoretical objection, the laptop that I'm using right now is a prime example. Warner From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 22:31:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A407637B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-1.zoominternet.net (mail-1.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA82443FAF for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Received: (qmail 552 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2003 05:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO browning.pennasoft.com) ([24.154.51.127]) (envelope-sender ) by mail-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Apr 2003 05:31:33 -0000 From: Chris BeHanna Organization: Western Pennsylvania Pizza Disposal Unit To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:32:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> In-Reply-To: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304140132.26793.behanna@zbzoom.net> Subject: Re: 2 questions... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 05:31:37 -0000 On Sunday 13 April 2003 03:14 pm, Jd wrote: > [...wants to convert his father's office over to FreeBSD...] > > There is only 1 thing I'm not sure how to do, and this is my question. > The employees have to fill out forms for the clients. Now these forms, > when printed, must look exactly like predefined government forms (yes > it's all legal). Also, since it's the government, and they need to > justify a few salaries, they change the forms every now and then. I was > wondering if anyone knows of a project that already exists to > create/fillout forms like this, or if not an existing project, maybe > just a library, a module, a something where I could start reading. > Basically I want to create legal like forms to fill out for clients. Others have suggested Adobe Acrobat, but if you don't have some way to get the form into the system to create the fill-in form in the first place, that won't help. I don't know if Adobe Acrobat (the full version) can take a document from a scanner and generate a fill-in form, but it might. Check http://www.adobe.com for details. You might, as some have suggested, have to keep a Windows box around (perhaps using an older licensed copy of Windows 98 or NT4 or Windows 2000) to do this conversion, or make one of your boxes dual-boot for those rare times when the forms change and you have to create new versions of your fill-in forms. Once you've created the fill-in form, it can be served from anywhere (file server over NFS, or web server, etc.). You can even capture the filled-in form for posterity by printing to a file from Acrobat reader rather than to a printer, but that copy will have degraded quality, so you'll want to print directly to the printer, too. What would be slicker than cat snot is to use web forms with the usual pull-down menus and text boxes to generate PostScript to overlay on top of a PostScript image of the blank form, and send *that* to the printer, but that's a little more advanced. Once question you have not asked, but which is lurking, is this: is your proposed user base sophisticated enough to have FreeBSD on their desktops? With a preconfigured window manager and a graphical login, it's not as bad as a naked console prompt, but often, FreeBSD (or Linux, or replacement-OS-of-choice) typically requires some care and feeding, because there are always corner cases in a business environment in which a user's desired task requires some setup, configuration, or troubleshooting to work. This is where Windows kicks free OS butt: it's just plain easier to use. Yeah, you can't do a lot of the things that you can do on a UNIX-like platform, but the things you *can* do are typically easier for the typical office worker to accomplish. Yes, my desktops all run FreeBSD save my accounting machine, which has to run Windows to run QuickBooks Pro. There are also the occasional websites-that-only-work-with-IE (e.g., www.fidelity.com). -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net Turning coffee into software since 1990. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 22:32:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2225F37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexload.com (dsl-200-67-104-36.prodigy.net.mx [200.67.104.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AE543FAF for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bloodk@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from prodigy.net.mx (workstation [192.169.0.3]) by mexload.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A467C2F11; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:43:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <3E9A3B1A.9060308@prodigy.net.mx> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:37:46 -0500 From: "Ing. Bernardo Lopez" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030408 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barney Wolff References: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> <001701c3022c$a882b220$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> <20030414024829.GB81888@pit.databus.com> In-Reply-To: <20030414024829.GB81888@pit.databus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Jd Subject: Re: 2 questions... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 05:32:00 -0000 Maybe the best choise if using LyX, saving as .ps and converting this to .pdf, its a little hard to learn (like vi) but very usefull (like vi) ;-) BTW as i am writing to this list, i want to say this: FreeBSD #1, thanks to all who do some effort to make this the best OS! Barney Wolff wrote: >On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 10:22:12PM -0400, Matthew Emmerton wrote: > > >>Adobe's products are available for Windows and Linux (but not FreeBSD). >>However, you might be able to get the Linux version to work on FreeBSD via >>the Linux emulator. >> >> > >I did not see any indication on www.adobe.com that the new full-version >Acrobat is available for Linux, just Windows and Mac. I'd love to be >wrong. Acroread for Linux is a free download tho, and does run on FBSD. > > > >>Alternatively, you could keep one Windows machine around the office to do >>this kind of work on. >> >> > >Or dual-boot, depending on how often you need it. > > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 22:35:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E465037B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF8243FBD for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3E5ZAcx057583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:35:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost)h3E5Z99n057582; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:35:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: from titan.klemm.apsfilter.org (localhost.klemm.apsfilter.org [127.0.0.1]) by klemm.apsfilter.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3E5XGHV093668; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:33:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by titan.klemm.apsfilter.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h3E5XAuY093667; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:33:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:33:10 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Jd Message-ID: <20030414053310.GA92749@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> References: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 questions... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 05:35:14 -0000 --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 03:14:42PM -0400, Jd wrote: > On a more BSD question, with freeBSd 4.8 release, does anyone else get=20 > an error after installing mozilla (no running window found)? If so any=20 > workarounds? Yes I updated my port tree. You have to rebuild the font cache as root (!!!) root# fc-cache -v -f Otherwise no application will run, that uses the fontcache (lots of applications: xchat2, gimp, ...). I found this fix via searching in Google for the error message. Though the writer stated out, that it doesn't fix things for him it actually does ! Best regards Andreas /// --=20 Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE Need a magic printfilter today ? -> http://www.apsfilter.org/ --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+mkgVd3o+lGxvbLoRAn9pAJ0WtBt4sv3zIYtCM5nWXD+O699NSgCePTn1 ZeCycfvikqAF2MBW/L8UjxI= =skNd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 22:50:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F220F37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85BE43F93 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:50:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3E5o7cx057673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:50:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost)h3E5o7Ev057672; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:50:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: from titan.klemm.apsfilter.org (localhost.klemm.apsfilter.org [127.0.0.1]) by klemm.apsfilter.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3E5kfHV093811; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:46:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by titan.klemm.apsfilter.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h3E5kfvB093810; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:46:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:46:41 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Chris BeHanna Message-ID: <20030414054641.GB92749@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> References: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> <200304140132.26793.behanna@zbzoom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200304140132.26793.behanna@zbzoom.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 questions... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 05:50:10 -0000 --FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 01:32:26AM -0400, Chris BeHanna wrote: > This is where Windows kicks free OS butt: it's just > plain easier to use. > Yeah, you can't do a lot of the things that you can do on a UNIX-like > platform, but the things you *can* do are typically easier for the > typical office worker to accomplish. What about using a Citrix Server ? Dunno if the name of the product is still the same ? Its the solution where you run one Windows Server, install all the applications you need and display the Windows Desktop on multiple Unix machines. This scales up to many users ... Depends on machine and net, but I think 50-100 would be possible. In the ports collection there is a FreeBSD Citrix client. Maybe a thing to look for .... Then you can install and train people on FreeBSD .... Maybe on the long run, you can train people to use Staroffice, apps like evolution that look exactly like outlook... Maybe evolution runs without Exchange server ... dunno, you have to look ... maybe mail but not the calendar / groupware stuff ... Best regards Andreas /// --=20 Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE Need a magic printfilter today ? -> http://www.apsfilter.org/ --FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+mktBd3o+lGxvbLoRAsqcAKCDmSSplty6r3X7jiPV0P7ZhTpG9wCeNLw0 mnQvUL7NvEngsOiqOsVZNsU= =RSyT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 00:45:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2745337B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postfix3-2.free.fr (postfix3-2.free.fr [213.228.0.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3951743F75 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marwan.burelle@lri.fr) Received: from perso.free.fr (lns-th2-4f-81-56-227-241.adsl.proxad.net [81.56.227.241]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CEDDC148 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:45:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:45:40 +0200 From: Marwan "FeanoR/var" Burelle To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030414094540.59d12721.marwan.burelle@lri.fr> In-Reply-To: <001701c3022c$a882b220$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> References: <3E99B722.8040805@jackdan.net> <001701c3022c$a882b220$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 2 questions... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:45:47 -0000 On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:22:12 -0400 "Matthew Emmerton" wrote: > It sounds like you want Adobe Acrobat (the full product, not the > reader.) With this you can create fillable-form-PDF files, which anyone > with Acrobat Reader can fill out and print, making them look nice and > pretty :) You can create fillable-form-PDF files with scribus (print/scribus in the ports), the final rendering a quite good, but the visualization rendering is horrible (yes, it's not good for a wysiwyg application...). -- Marwan Burelle, aka FeanoR/var mb@feanor.org burelle@lri.fr Marwan.Burelle@ens.fr From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 03:06:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E77337B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.sftb.net (mur.cp.ru [213.183.102.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D4343F85 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:06:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zas@folksnet.com) Received: from [217.106.34.30] (helo=home.zas.sftb.net) by mail.sftb.net with asmtp (Exim 4.14) id 194mDq-0000c4-67 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:29:00 +0700 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:28:57 +0700 From: Alex Zablotsky To: stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030414012857.1a4166bc.zas@folksnet.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *194mDq-0000c4-67*s8lhpeKIrAo* Subject: "CPU states" bug X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:06:10 -0000 Hi there, That is what is see if I run the top program. As you see all CPU states are equal to zero. Also it looks like the system is a little bit slower as it shoudl be. last pid: 675; load averages: 0.31, 0.17, 0.15 up 0+00:48:41 01:23:20 50 processes: 1 running, 49 sleeping CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 183M Active, 51M Inact, 41M Wired, 172K Cache, 48M Buf, 99M Free Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 499 root 2 0 34316K 33304K select 0:37 0.00% 0.00% XFree86 566 zas 2 0 33104K 27736K poll 0:35 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 584 zas 2 0 30328K 28304K poll 0:19 0.00% 0.00% opera 544 zas 2 0 27016K 23116K poll 0:11 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 625 zas 2 0 30020K 25828K poll 0:10 0.00% 0.00% licq 562 zas 2 0 27660K 24044K poll 0:07 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 571 zas 2 0 28168K 24356K poll 0:06 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 88 root 2 0 916K 520K select 0:06 0.00% 0.00% moused 613 zas 2 0 26852K 23640K poll 0:06 0.00% 0.00% kppp 194 zas 2 0 7036K 5420K poll 0:04 0.00% 0.00% artsd 570 zas 2 0 26832K 23160K poll 0:03 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 564 zas 2 0 27664K 24236K poll 0:03 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 672 zas 2 0 27892K 24016K poll 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 558 zas 2 0 30344K 25304K poll 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 561 zas 2 0 26424K 22408K poll 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 658 zas 2 0 9044K 6880K poll 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sylpheed 538 zas 2 0 18008K 13216K poll 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 84 root 2 0 2592K 1896K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sshd 542 zas 2 0 19388K 14812K poll 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 535 zas 2 0 18316K 13552K poll 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 93 root 2 0 3024K 2220K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sendmail 661 root 2 0 4076K 2828K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% mc 675 zas 28 0 1976K 1216K RUN 0:00 0.00% 0.00% top 567 zas 2 0 18780K 14220K poll 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 142 root 2 0 1972K 1032K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kdm 73 root 2 0 948K 664K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% syslogd 559 zas 10 0 1000K 624K nanslp 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kwrapper 130 root 10 0 1268K 976K wait 0:00 0.00% 0.00% login 573 zas 10 0 1080K 924K wait 0:00 0.00% 0.00% bash 674 zas 10 0 1080K 924K wait 0:00 0.00% 0.00% bash 512 zas 10 0 656K 472K wait 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sh 662 root 3 0 1088K 932K ttyin 0:00 0.00% 0.00% bash 583 zas 10 0 656K 468K wait 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sh bash-2.05b$ uname -a FreeBSD home.zas.sftb.net 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #0: Sun Apr 13 02:34:06 NOVST 2003 root@home.zas.sftb.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ZAS i386 bash-2.05b$ Kernel config: machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident ZAS maxusers 128 options SYSVSHM # include support for shared memory options SHMMAXPGS=1024 # max amount of shared memory pages (4k on i386) options SYSVSEM options SEMMNI=256 options SEMMNS=512 options SEMMNU=256 options SEMMAP=256 options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_DIRHASH #Improve performance on big directories options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device options NFS #Network Filesystem options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, NFS required options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~128k to driver. options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~215k to driver. device isa device pci device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 device fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 device sio2 at isa? disable port IO_COM3 irq 5 device sio3 at isa? disable port IO_COM4 irq 9 device miibus # MII bus support device rl # RealTek 8129/8139 # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocate. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device tun pseudo-device ppp 1 pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device usb # USB Bus (required) device ugen # Generic device ums # Mouse device pcm options IPFIREWALL #firewall options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE #enable logging to syslogd(8) options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD #enable transparent proxy support options IPDIVERT #divert sockets options DUMMYNET options HZ=1000 device snp dmesg output: Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #0: Sun Apr 13 02:34:06 NOVST 2003 root@home.zas.sftb.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ZAS Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1102509960 Hz CPU: Intel Celeron (1102.51-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x68a Stepping = 10 Features=0x383f9ff real memory = 402571264 (393136K bytes) avail memory = 387874816 (378784K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc03a0000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled Using $PIR table, 9 entries at 0xc00f12d0 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib2: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib2 pci1: at 0.0 irq 10 isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xb800-0xb80f at device 4.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xb400-0xb41f irq 11 at device 4.2 on pc i0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ums0: Logitech USB Mouse, rev 1.10/6.20, addr 2, iclass 3/1 ums0: 3 buttons and Z dir. uhci1: port 0xb000-0xb01f irq 11 at device 4.3 on pci0 usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: (vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3057) at 4.4 pcm0: port 0xa800-0xa81f irq 11 at device 6.0 on pci0 pcm0: pcib1: on motherboard pci2: on pcib1 orm0: