From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 10:20:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30FB16A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AE043FBD for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:20:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAUIKMFY051561 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:20:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hAUIKMVB051560; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:20:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:20:22 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200311301820.hAUIKMVB051560@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Bill Moran Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E5A16A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BAC43FBD for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:15:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from [68.68.113.33] by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031130181021.OXLT4878.mta13.adelphia.net@[68.68.113.33]> for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:10:21 -0500 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:10:20 -0500 Message-Id: <20031130181021.OXLT4878.mta13.adelphia.net@[68.68.113.33]> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:10:20 -0500 From: "Bill Moran" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: www/59853: The "send a bug report" should point to the article on PRs X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Moran List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:20:25 -0000 >Number: 59853 >Category: www >Synopsis: The "send a bug report" should point to the article on PRs >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 30 10:20:22 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bill Moran >Release: FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Potential Technologies >Environment: System: FreeBSD working.pt.com 5.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE #0: Tue Sep 9 08:41:45 EDT 2003 wmoran@working.pt.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >Description: I understand the problems associated with making the web interface to send-pr function. Personally, I believe that these problems will be relegated to low-priority for some time, and that it will be a while before anyone discovers a way to reliably fix this interface. As a holdover solution, the "Send a bug report" link on the home page should point to the article on PRs at www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.html (Personally, I feel it would be wiser to keep that link pointing at that page, even after the web interface is re-enabled, as it will (hopefully) force people to review the PR guidelines before using the web interface.) I made this suggestion on the doc@ mailing list, and it received some support and no opposition. >How-To-Repeat: Click on the "Send a bug report" link on http://www.freebsd.org >Fix: See problem description. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 12:20:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F5D16A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B862743FBF for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:20:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAUKKHFY070192 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:20:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hAUKKHJv070191; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:20:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:20:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200311302020.hAUKKHJv070191@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: Mark Linimon Subject: Re: www/59853: The "send a bug report" should point to the article on PRs X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mark Linimon List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:20:19 -0000 The following reply was made to PR www/59853; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Mark Linimon To: Bill Moran Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/59853: The "send a bug report" should point to the article on PRs Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:03:40 -0600 Speaking as one of the more recent people who has added to the PR guidelines document itself, I would support this change as well. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 14:09:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7268716A4CE for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEBE43F85 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:09:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hAUM9HI3087051; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:09:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:09:15 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <20031130170915.289482b5.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <200311302020.hAUKKHJv070191@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200311302020.hAUKKHJv070191@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/59853: The "send a bug report" should point to the article on PRs X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:09:21 -0000 On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:20:17 -0800 (PST) Mark Linimon wrote: > The following reply was made to PR www/59853; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Mark Linimon > To: Bill Moran > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: www/59853: The "send a bug report" should point to the article > on PRs > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:03:40 -0600 > > Speaking as one of the more recent people who has added to the PR guidelines > document itself, I would support this change as well. This pr should probably be changed to make me the responsible party as I'm banging my head over a new front page... -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 14:29:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE6A16A4CE; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38FC43FDD; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:29:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAUMTwFY083551; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:29:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hAUMTw8g083547; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:29:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:29:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <200311302229.hAUMTw8g083547@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/59853: The "send a bug report" should point to the article on PRs X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:29:59 -0000 Synopsis: The "send a bug report" should point to the article on PRs Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Nov 30 14:28:49 PST 2003 Responsible-Changed-Why: trhodes volunteered for this duty. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=59853 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 17:10:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A72116A4CE; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:10:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D04B43FAF; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:10:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB11AoI3087459; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:10:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:10:43 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <20031130201043.4035a8ff.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <200311302229.hAUMTw8g083547@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200311302229.hAUMTw8g083547@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/59853: The "send a bug report" should point to the article on PRs X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:10:52 -0000 On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:29:58 -0800 (PST) Mark Linimon wrote: > Synopsis: The "send a bug report" should point to the article on PRs > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->trhodes > Responsible-Changed-By: linimon > Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Nov 30 14:28:49 PST 2003 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > trhodes volunteered for this duty. Thank you Mark. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 10:31:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C03916A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED86D44020; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:31:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.203]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB1IVUI3089934; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:31:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:31:28 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: Mark Linimon Subject: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:31:44 -0000 Grettings, Thanks to Mark Linimon who provided a starting point for this, I've produced a patch for the front page. This patch just makes a few simple 'structure' changes to hopefully allow users to find their information faster. Main changes include: o Removing the 'News' section. Most of the information there is repeated on the right bar. o Adding a supported platforms section (replaces the above). This will help users locate information on arch support without going through a maze of links. o As per PR www/59853, add a 'Crafting Bug Reports' link to the problem reports article. Other possible changes could be: Under Development, remove the Release Engineering link (we have a section on it already). Perhaps replace it with a link to Threads and other development areas. This may increase exposure for those projects and ultimately increase support, patches, and development in those areas. Comments, suggestions, and even a new patch (not a patch to this patch though) are very welcome. Thank you. -- Tom Rhodes --- index.xsl.old Mon Dec 1 12:53:03 2003 +++ index.xsl Mon Dec 1 13:06:33 2003 @@ -94,13 +94,16 @@ bgcolor="#ffcc66" width="100%"> -

News - - -
- · Announcements
- · In the Press
- · More ... +

+ + Platform Support: +
+ · i386/SMP
+ · Alpha
+ · IA64
+ · Power PC
+ · Sparc
+ · More?

Software @@ -110,48 +113,52 @@ · Ported Applications

-

Documentation - -
- · For Newbies
- · Handbook
+

+ + Documentation +
· FAQ
+ · Handbook
· Manual pages
+ · For Newbies
· Doc. Project
- · More...

-

Support - -
+

+ + Support +
· Mailing lists
· Newsgroups
· User Groups
· Web Resources
· Security
- · Events
- · More...

-

Bug Reports -
+

+ + Bug Reports +
+ · Search
+ · View one bug report
+ · View all bug reports
· Send a bug report
- · View open reports
- · Search by bug ID
- · More...
+ · Crafting Bug Reports

-

Development - -
- · Projects
- · Release Engineering
+

+ + Development +
+ · Developer's Handbook
+ · Porter's Handbook
· CVS Repository
+ · Release Engineering
+ · Contributing to FreeBSD

Vendors -
· Software
· Hardware
@@ -165,15 +172,28 @@ · Current Donations
· List of needs

- -

This Site - -
- · Site Map
- · Search
- · More ...
-

- + +

+ + This Site +
+ · Search Website
+ · Search Mailing Lists
+ · Search All
+

+ +

+ + Contacting FreeBSD + +

+ +

+ + The BSD Copyright + +

+
Search for:
@@ -302,9 +322,10 @@ -

New Technology Release: -
- +

+ + New Technology Release: +
· Announcement
· Installation Guide
· Release Notes
@@ -312,8 +333,10 @@ · Errata
· Early Adopter's Guide

-

Production Release: -
+

+ + Production Release: +
· Announcement
· Installation Guide
From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 11:02:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E31C16A4CE for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C67C43FA3 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:01:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB1J1aFY015874 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:01:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hB1J1au6015868 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:01:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:01:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200312011901.hB1J1au6015868@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:02:32 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/09/28] www/43454 www Packages hard to find, often missing o [2003/04/18] www/51135 www Problems with the mailing-lists search in o [2003/06/27] www/53862 www -CURRENT ports symlink busted 3 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/03/07] www/35647 www www; combine query-by-number and multi-fi s [2002/05/24] www/38500 www gnats web form is overenthusiastic about o [2002/09/08] misc/42558 www http://www.freebsd.org/search produces in o [2002/10/17] www/44181 www www "Release Information" organization o [2002/11/09] www/45169 www suggested update for ports index page on o [2003/06/29] www/53906 www [patch] adds content to alpha plattform p o [2003/07/17] www/54570 www [patch] add 2 new press articles o [2003/07/17] www/54572 www [patch] unbreak b0rked www/en/ports/index o [2003/10/14] www/58029 www [patch] news/press: correct capitalizatio o [2003/10/16] www/58122 www [patch] publish: update "BSD mit Methode" o [2003/11/15] www/59307 www [patch] xml/xsl'ify & update publications o [2003/11/21] www/59555 www News item for addition 12 problems total. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 11:04:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E698916A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AFB4402F; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:01:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com ([81.103.67.204] helo=shrike.submonkey.net ident=mailnull) by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with esmtp (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1AQtIq-0004yS-6V; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:01:48 +0000 Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 4.9) id 1AQtIo-0000iC-71; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:01:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:01:46 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20031201190146.GB2357@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Tom Rhodes , FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="neYutvxvOLaeuPCA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Mark Linimon Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:04:56 -0000 --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 01:31:28PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > +
> + · i386/SMP
> + · Alpha
> + · IA64
> + · Power PC
> + · Sparc
> + · More?
>

I'd rather see amd64 there than powerpc, purely because it's pretty much finished, and is more current hardware. Also, I'm unsure about the "i386/SMP" bit, as it gives the impression that SMP is not supported on other architectures, which is not the case. > + · Crafting Bug Reports
Could that be changed to "Writing Bug Reports" please? I don't have a good reason for this - I just don't like the word "crafting" in this context - so I'll defer to popular opinion if it goes against me. :-) Thanks very much for making progress on this, it looks good. Ceri --=20 --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/y5AZocfcwTS3JF8RArJqAJ9gKVu06fpk1jNDYlaBlSOr2lzalwCfcD43 LHfakEBlzTiyNxZFmHWQyeo= =7z5R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 11:29:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E9B16A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71DB43FA3; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:28:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.203]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB1JSuI3090115; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:28:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:28:54 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <20031201142854.2b73585e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031201190146.GB2357@submonkey.net> References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031201190146.GB2357@submonkey.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Tom Rhodes cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Mark Linimon cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:29:05 -0000 On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:01:46 +0000 Ceri Davies wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 01:31:28PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > +
> > + · i386/SMP
> > + · Alpha
> > + · IA64
> > + · Power PC
> > + · Sparc
> > + · More?
> >

> > I'd rather see amd64 there than powerpc, purely because it's pretty much > finished, and is more current hardware. Thats a good idea, i'll make that change in the diff. > > Also, I'm unsure about the "i386/SMP" bit, as it gives the impression > that SMP is not supported on other architectures, which is not the case. Well, we don't have an i386 project page since most development occurred on that platform. And I did want to list i386 somewhere. Perhaps keep the link and change it to i386? > > > + · Crafting Bug Reports
> > Could that be changed to "Writing Bug Reports" please? I don't have a > good reason for this - I just don't like the word "crafting" in this > context - so I'll defer to popular opinion if it goes against me. :-) With no reasonable argument of why or why not, i'll go with your suggestion. At least until popular opinion changes that. > > Thanks very much for making progress on this, it looks good. Thank you for the input, perhaps we could review ideas of cleaning up the entire site? Nevermind, i'd rather defer that discussion until we have a new 'homepage' in place. :) -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 11:29:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747EA16A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from tatiana.utanet.at (tatiana.utanet.at [213.90.36.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD1D43FF5; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:29:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from josef@daemon.li) Received: from plenty.utanet.at ([213.90.36.9]) by tatiana.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQtjB-0006Ni-00; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:29:01 +0100 Received: from dsl-245-165.utaonline.at ([212.152.245.165] helo=jenny.daemon.li) by plenty.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQtjA-0003b1-00; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:29:00 +0100 Received: by jenny.daemon.li (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 78702697; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:30:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:30:02 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20031201193002.GA1117@jenny.daemon.li> References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Reply-Path: j.el-rayes@daemon.li X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE X-DNSBL-Warning: listed at list.dsbl.org (http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=212.152.245.165) cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.el-rayes@daemon.li List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:29:08 -0000 Tom Rhodes wrote: > Grettings, > > Thanks to Mark Linimon who provided a starting point for this, I've > produced a patch for the front page. This patch just makes a few > simple 'structure' changes to hopefully allow users to find their > information faster. i had a look at your work, and it looks very nice, right step in right direction. i was wondering why you did not include amd64 in your "platform support" list. i think this one wil be become very important in near future (it became tier1 lately). i was wondering why you removed the events link from the frontpage, is there a certain reason? i am also not sure where we shouldn't restructure the "support" part. on the one hand side, we list possibilities how to get in touch with freebsd users (mailing lists, user groups, news groups), then there is a link to 3rd party documentation (web ressources) and then there is the link to security. first the security link is absolete, as there is already a link to this page at the and of the security advisories listing on the right hand side of the page. i would move the web resources link up to the documentation part of the navigation bar but this is just a matter of taste i think. what about the vendors section? do we really need these 4 direct links? i would move make one link for vendors, and put it under software (i.e. the ones who sell freebsd cds/dvds). and then i would move the consultors under the support section. greets, josef ps: hm, i am wondering whether i should express my views in a page, as it is a bit confusing (for me too) to put this in words instead seeing what i am thinking of. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 11:38:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E2616A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C171543FF2; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:37:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.203]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB1JbfI3090151; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:37:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:37:28 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: j.el-rayes@daemon.li Message-Id: <20031201143728.39531f1b.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031201193002.GA1117@jenny.daemon.li> References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031201193002.GA1117@jenny.daemon.li> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:38:13 -0000 On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:30:02 +0100 Josef El-Rayes wrote: > Tom Rhodes wrote: > > Grettings, > > > > Thanks to Mark Linimon who provided a starting point for this, I've > > produced a patch for the front page. This patch just makes a few > > simple 'structure' changes to hopefully allow users to find their > > information faster. > > i had a look at your work, and it looks very nice, right step > in right direction. i was wondering why you did not > include amd64 in your "platform support" list. > i think this one wil be become very important in near future > (it became tier1 lately). Yes, Ceri has already pointed this out to me. I'll be making a change to my patch after this email. > > i was wondering why you removed the events link from > the frontpage, is there a certain reason? Because that information, in my opinion, is redundant. Everything in that area can be found on the right side under the 4.9 links. Believe it or not, we really don't have a need for 8 News/Press links on the front page. :) > > i am also not sure where we shouldn't restructure > the "support" part. on the one hand side, > we list possibilities how to get in touch > with freebsd users (mailing lists, user groups, news groups), > then there is a link to 3rd party documentation (web ressources) > and then there is the link to security. Now we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. This project, due to the variety of opinions and comments, should be a piece by piece change. The support area will be at the tip of my spear in the patch or so. Your opinons on these are very welcome. > > first the security link is absolete, as there is already > a link to this page at the and of the security advisories listing > on the right hand side of the page. Exactly! :) > > i would move the web resources link up to the documentation part of the navigation bar > but this is just a matter of taste i think. Actually, I have some plans for the documentation/support area. Keep watching the discussion my friend. > > what about the vendors section? do we really need these 4 direct links? > i would move make one link for vendors, > and put it under software (i.e. the ones who sell freebsd > cds/dvds). and then i would move the consultors under the > support section. This I have yet to look over, and as such must wait until the first round of changes are passed. :) > > greets, josef > > ps: hm, i am wondering whether i should express my > views in a page, as it is a bit confusing (for me too) > to put this in words instead seeing what i am thinking of. > I hear that! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 11:58:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD96816A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from tatiana.utanet.at (tatiana.utanet.at [213.90.36.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB5F43FDD; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:57:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from josef@daemon.li) Received: from pam.utanet.at ([213.90.36.6]) by tatiana.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQuAk-0006ZY-00; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:57:30 +0100 Received: from dsl-245-165.utaonline.at ([212.152.245.165] helo=jenny.daemon.li) by pam.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQuAk-0004RB-00; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:57:30 +0100 Received: by jenny.daemon.li (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 176FD697; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:58:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:58:35 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20031201195835.GC1117@jenny.daemon.li> References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031201193002.GA1117@jenny.daemon.li> <20031201143728.39531f1b.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031201143728.39531f1b.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Reply-Path: j.el-rayes@daemon.li X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE X-DNSBL-Warning: listed at list.dsbl.org (http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=212.152.245.165) cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.el-rayes@daemon.li List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:06 -0000 Tom Rhodes wrote: > > i was wondering why you removed the events link from > > the frontpage, is there a certain reason? > Because that information, in my opinion, is redundant. Everything > in that area can be found on the right side under the 4.9 links. hmm, i have the feeling we are talking about 2 different things here. i was actually talking about the link to the events page, where we list all freebsd related events, like conferences. why is this redundant with the news/press section which does (should) not cover the events, which get seperately listed at www.freebsd.org/events/? sorry if i just misunderstood your answer. -josef From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 12:08:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369C916A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C8E43FEA; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:07:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.203]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB1K7oI3090236; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:07:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:07:42 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: j.el-rayes@daemon.li Message-Id: <20031201150742.446de66e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031201195835.GC1117@jenny.daemon.li> References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031201193002.GA1117@jenny.daemon.li> <20031201143728.39531f1b.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031201195835.GC1117@jenny.daemon.li> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:08:13 -0000 On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:58:35 +0100 Josef El-Rayes wrote: > Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > i was wondering why you removed the events link from > > > the frontpage, is there a certain reason? > > > Because that information, in my opinion, is redundant. Everything > > in that area can be found on the right side under the 4.9 links. > > hmm, i have the feeling we are talking about 2 different things here. > > i was actually talking about the link to the events page, where we list all freebsd related events, like > conferences. why is this redundant with the news/press > section which does (should) not cover the events, > which get seperately listed at www.freebsd.org/events/? Your a bit correct and a bit off. Yet, we could be thinking two completely different things here. What I mean is, we don't need two areas for press/news/events. The events section should be moved over under the Project News section. I think that conferences should be considered 'Project News', don't you? :) > > sorry if i just misunderstood your answer. Oh its fine, email is not the 'best' form of communication. Are we on the same wavelink now? -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 12:13:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F3C16A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1513743F3F; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain (12-230-74-101.client.attbi.com[12.230.74.101]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2003120120123901200381ute>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:12:39 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB1KCQTG091117; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:12:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hB1KCL8G091116; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:12:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) To: Tom Rhodes References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> From: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:12:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> (Tom Rhodes's message of "Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:31:28 -0500") Message-ID: <6cad6cjo0q.d6c@mail.comcast.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Mark Linimon Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:13:09 -0000 Tom Rhodes writes: > o Removing the 'News' section. Most of the information there is > repeated on the right bar. Good move, but what's to happen to the /news/ pages? http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html has a link to http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html Maybe replace news/*.html with "no longer in use" pages, to cut down on bug reports, etc. > o Adding a supported platforms section (replaces the above). This > will help users locate information on arch support without going > through a maze of links. The center section already mentions supported platforms. The stuff proposed for addition seems mostly for developers and belongs in the development section or one of its linked pages. If someone wants to add platform-related user stuff outside the handbook, it could be linked to off the "release info" page, or from the web page navigation "Software" section. > Under Development, remove the Release Engineering link (we have > a section on it already). The front page should be moving to a layout that segregates stuff for developers out of the way of other users. The "Software" section should be for non-developers but should have an RE intro (preferably just a link to a handbook section) and most or all of the RE scheduling info. The "Development" section deserves its own RE link for things like developer-only RE docs and RE team member lists, etc. For the same reason, the "Doc. Project" link should be moved to the "Development" section; it's of no interest to typical users. Along the same lines, "Release Information" is rather esoteric and could be confused for a verb phrase. How about "Version information" or "FreeBSD versions"? The "Release Information" link should be above the "Getting FreeBSD" link, because one should learn about the releases before getting one. The link "Ported Applications" is more esoteric than it needs to be; the first word is not helpful and only makes newbies scratch their heads. The linked page is about ports for now, but someone could later replace it with a more generic page about applications, with a section on ports. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 12:28:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3EA16A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:28:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta8.adelphia.net (mta8.adelphia.net [68.168.78.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFABB43FE0; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:28:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([68.68.113.33]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031201202055.PWMB4878.mta13.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3FCBA2A7.2060708@potentialtech.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:20:55 -0500 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rhodes References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:28:53 -0000 Tom Rhodes wrote: > Grettings, > > Thanks to Mark Linimon who provided a starting point for this, I've > produced a patch for the front page. This patch just makes a few > simple 'structure' changes to hopefully allow users to find their > information faster. > > Main changes include: > > o Removing the 'News' section. Most of the information there is > repeated on the right bar. > > o Adding a supported platforms section (replaces the above). This > will help users locate information on arch support without going > through a maze of links. > > o As per PR www/59853, add a 'Crafting Bug Reports' link to the > problem reports article. This sounds very promising. After reading some of the responses on how this change will likely trickle-down to other changes within the site, I realized just how big a can of worms have been opened. I only have one question: why add a new link seperate from the link to send-per.html ... I thought the general consensus during the previous disucssions was to change the "Send a bug report" link. It just goes against my nature to leave a link up that points to a page that basically says, "under construction/not working right now" If this has already been discussed and I missed it, then I apologize for the noise. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 13:07:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC0516A4CF; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D9443FFB; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:06:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.203]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB1L6VI3090388; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:06:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:06:28 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Message-Id: <20031201160628.3df5ff8e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <6cad6cjo0q.d6c@mail.comcast.net> References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <6cad6cjo0q.d6c@mail.comcast.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Mark Linimon Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:07:06 -0000 On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:12:21 -0800 underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) wrote: > Tom Rhodes writes: > > > o Removing the 'News' section. Most of the information there is > > repeated on the right bar. > > Good move, but what's to happen to the /news/ pages? > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html has a link to > http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html All but one of the 'Press' pages had links on the right side bar. This will be fixed in a later commit. > > Maybe replace news/*.html with "no longer in use" pages, to cut down > on bug reports, etc. Maybe, but I would like a wider review on it first. After the first change is made, another patch can be forged for this purpose. > > > o Adding a supported platforms section (replaces the above). This > > will help users locate information on arch support without going > > through a maze of links. > > The center section already mentions supported platforms. The stuff > proposed for addition seems mostly for developers and belongs in the > development section or one of its linked pages. If someone wants to > add platform-related user stuff outside the handbook, it could be > linked to off the "release info" page, or from the web page navigation > "Software" section. The key word here is 'mentions', and the idea here is not to just mention, but link to information. Say for instance that you are not a developer, but own a Sparc. Would it not be easier to just click a link on the corner than to see its supported and hunt down the link yourself? I honestly don't think that everyone who owns a Sparc, Alpha, or AMD64 system is a developer, nor would they care. They would want quick access to the information about FreeBSD on their CPU. The Development section could also include platform information, however, most of the development work is aimed at every platform supported. KSE for instance is a good candidate for the development section. > > > Under Development, remove the Release Engineering link (we have > > a section on it already). > > The front page should be moving to a layout that segregates stuff for > developers out of the way of other users. The "Software" section > should be for non-developers but should have an RE intro (preferably > just a link to a handbook section) and most or all of the RE > scheduling info. The "Development" section deserves its own RE link > for things like developer-only RE docs and RE team member lists, etc. I completely agree with this first statement. We should have the information divided between users and developers. But we should also include support and documentation, projects that are under active development, and other resources. The information should be easy to find, even for new users. An idea I had after sending my initial RFC. It was to get a series of questions together about FreeBSD. Send about 5+ users to the site and see how long it takes them to answer those questions. These people should be familiar with the Internet, but unfamiliar with our website. > > > For the same reason, the "Doc. Project" link should be moved to the > "Development" section; it's of no interest to typical users. A similar idea was going through my head, but I don't want to make a huge change in one commit. > > Along the same lines, "Release Information" is rather esoteric and > could be confused for a verb phrase. How about "Version information" > or "FreeBSD versions"? > > The "Release Information" link should be above the "Getting FreeBSD" > link, because one should learn about the releases before getting one. > > The link "Ported Applications" is more esoteric than it needs to be; > the first word is not helpful and only makes newbies scratch their > heads. The linked page is about ports for now, but someone could > later replace it with a more generic page about applications, with a > section on ports. Now we are getting ahead of ourselves. Your commits hold merit with this little project of mine, but I'm not ready to tackle the entire front page/site at this time. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 13:09:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E306116A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2DA43F75; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:08:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (cs242719-195.austin.rr.com [24.27.19.195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5E314694; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:08:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3FCAEDEA.9020108@lonesome.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:29:46 -0600 From: Mark Linimon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030713 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rhodes References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:09:36 -0000 So far I'd have to say I like most of these followon suggestions. My goals in proposing some of the changes were to keep in mind that each 'first click' should take you to something general, and each 'second click' should take you to something more specific. The front page is a real mix-and-match of that right now. That's why I proposed moving or dropping some of the links that I did; not that they're not informative on their own, they just need to be pushed down a page (and a few, like to the mailing lists, need to be pulled up). Indeed the second-click pages are in need of work themselves (or of being created, in a couple of places, even if only as a paragraph plus a list of 'see for more' links), but I like Tom's suggestion of doing it in stages. I started working on the internal/index.html page before bogging down myself :-) mcl From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 13:14:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3997416A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342EA43FEC; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:14:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.203]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB1LECI3090428; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:14:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:14:09 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Bill Moran Message-Id: <20031201161409.2c2729ee.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <3FCBA2A7.2060708@potentialtech.com> References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3FCBA2A7.2060708@potentialtech.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:14:43 -0000 On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:20:55 -0500 Bill Moran wrote: > Tom Rhodes wrote: > > Grettings, > > > > Thanks to Mark Linimon who provided a starting point for this, I've > > produced a patch for the front page. This patch just makes a few > > simple 'structure' changes to hopefully allow users to find their > > information faster. > > > > Main changes include: > > > > o Removing the 'News' section. Most of the information there is > > repeated on the right bar. > > > > o Adding a supported platforms section (replaces the above). This > > will help users locate information on arch support without going > > through a maze of links. > > > > o As per PR www/59853, add a 'Crafting Bug Reports' link to the > > problem reports article. > > This sounds very promising. After reading some of the responses on > how this change will likely trickle-down to other changes within the > site, I realized just how big a can of worms have been opened. Exactly why I want to do this discussed and done change by change. > > I only have one question: why add a new link seperate from the link > to send-per.html ... I thought the general consensus during the > previous disucssions was to change the "Send a bug report" link. > It just goes against my nature to leave a link up that points to > a page that basically says, "under construction/not working right > now" Ceri is working on getting the send-pr.sgml file reactivated. > > If this has already been discussed and I missed it, then I apologize > for the noise. > It was not really discussed in depth, but publicly on another -www thread. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 13:26:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA78D16A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F305744001; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:25:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.203]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB1LP3I3090466; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:25:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:25:01 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <20031201162501.2e55d797.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <3FCAEDEA.9020108@lonesome.com> References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3FCAEDEA.9020108@lonesome.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:26:03 -0000 On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:29:46 -0600 Mark Linimon wrote: > So far I'd have to say I like most of these followon suggestions. > > My goals in proposing some of the changes were to keep in mind > that each 'first click' should take you to something general, and each > 'second click' should take you to something more specific. The > front page is a real mix-and-match of that right now. That's why I > proposed moving or dropping some of the links that I did; not that > they're not informative on their own, they just need to be pushed down > a page (and a few, like to the mailing lists, need to be pulled up). This first paragraph explains exactly why some changes need to be made. As an Internet user I can safely say that if I visit a website and spend more than 10 minutes searching for the information I want, I'll leave. The easier information is to find, the happier our users will be. It may also help cut down on bug reports or the occasional 'Where can I find information on ..." emails. > > Indeed the second-click pages are in need of work themselves > (or of being created, in a couple of places, even if only as a paragraph > plus a list of 'see for more' links), but I like Tom's suggestion of > doing it in stages. I started working on the internal/index.html page > before bogging down myself :-) Thank you. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 13:27:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E8516A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D940A44001; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:26:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([68.68.113.33]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031201212633.JRQN1464.mta11.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:26:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3FCBB205.7070709@potentialtech.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:26:29 -0500 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rhodes References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3FCBA2A7.2060708@potentialtech.com> <20031201161409.2c2729ee.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031201161409.2c2729ee.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:27:34 -0000 Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:20:55 -0500 > Bill Moran wrote: >>I only have one question: why add a new link seperate from the link >>to send-per.html ... I thought the general consensus during the >>previous disucssions was to change the "Send a bug report" link. >>It just goes against my nature to leave a link up that points to >>a page that basically says, "under construction/not working right >>now" > > Ceri is working on getting the send-pr.sgml file reactivated. I guess my point is that I feel only a single link is required (even after the send-pr.sgml file is reactivated) and that it should point to the article. I suspect that people who use the send-pr form frequently will make a bookmark to it, so those who are trying to get to it from the home page should be "encouraged" to read up on proper procedure before submitting. But I may be out of line on this? Can you provide a pointer to the discussion on -www? I wasn't able to find it searching the archive, but I may have been looking for the wrong thing. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 13:40:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F91916A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:40:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3920043FF7; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:40:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (cs242719-195.austin.rr.com [24.27.19.195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A9D14694; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:39:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3FCAF53F.6010409@lonesome.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:01:03 -0600 From: Mark Linimon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030713 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3FCBA2A7.2060708@potentialtech.com> <20031201161409.2c2729ee.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3FCBB205.7070709@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <3FCBB205.7070709@potentialtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:40:44 -0000 > Can you provide a pointer to the discussion [of the send-pr link] on -www? I think what is meant was the mention, in passing, of incorporating www/59853. mcl From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 20:03:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A2316A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from tatiana.utanet.at (tatiana.utanet.at [213.90.36.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710A343FBF; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:03:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from josef@daemon.li) Received: from paris.utanet.at ([213.90.36.7]) by tatiana.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQuis-0000Km-00; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:32:46 +0100 Received: from dsl-245-165.utaonline.at ([212.152.245.165] helo=jenny.daemon.li) by paris.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQuir-0000AV-00; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:32:46 +0100 Received: by jenny.daemon.li (Postfix, from userid 1005) id E08086E1; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:33:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:33:49 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20031201203349.GA10098@jenny.daemon.li> References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031201193002.GA1117@jenny.daemon.li> <20031201143728.39531f1b.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031201195835.GC1117@jenny.daemon.li> <20031201150742.446de66e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031201150742.446de66e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Reply-Path: j.el-rayes@daemon.li X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE X-DNSBL-Warning: listed at list.dsbl.org (http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=212.152.245.165) cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.el-rayes@daemon.li List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:03:56 -0000 Tom Rhodes wrote: [...] > The events section should be > moved over under the Project News section. I think that conferences > should be considered 'Project News', don't you? :) i agree here. > Are > we on the same wavelink now? yes :) -josef From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 21:40:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DBE16A4CE for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:40:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C99543FAF for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:40:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB25eGFY011147 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:40:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hB25eGek011146; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:40:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:40:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200312020540.hB25eGek011146@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Marc van Woerkom Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C1E16A4CE for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.FernUni-Hagen.de (oak.fernuni-hagen.de [132.176.114.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F7543F3F for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:38:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from woerkom@es-i2.fernuni-hagen.de) Received: from amavis by oak.FernUni-Hagen.de with scanned-ok (Exim 4.04) id 1AR3EZ-0006d4-00; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 06:38:03 +0100 Received: from es-i2.fernuni-hagen.de ([132.176.7.81]) by oak.FernUni-Hagen.de with esmtp (Exim 4.04) id 1AR3ET-0006cv-00; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 06:37:57 +0100 Received: by es-i2.fernuni-hagen.de (Postfix, from userid 1015) id 0A236616F; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:37:57 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20031202053757.0A236616F@es-i2.fernuni-hagen.de> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:37:57 +0100 (CET) From: Marc van Woerkom To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 cc: marc.vanwoerkom@fernuni-hagen.de Subject: www/59890: send-pr database is spam harvested X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Marc van Woerkom List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:40:20 -0000 >Number: 59890 >Category: www >Synopsis: send-pr database is spam harvested >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Dec 01 21:40:16 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Marc van Woerkom >Release: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE i386 >Organization: FernUniversitaet in Hagen >Environment: System: FreeBSD es-i2.fernuni-hagen.de 4.9-STABLE FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE #0: Tue Nov 25 09:44:27 CET 2003 root@es-i2.fernuni-hagen.de:/easyraidhome/usr/obj/easyraidhome/usr/src/sys/Compaq-ES i386 >Description: Send PR, get SPAM in return! On 18th November I sent an PR to the FreeBSD project. Because I was not able to use the web form anymore (closed) and my FreeBSD machine had no sendmail working, I was using another machine for the first time to send mail: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:35:31 +0100 (CET) From: Marc van Woerkom http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=59429&f=raw Today I filed a second PR and was surprised, when I looked into the Mail folder: 1 27-Sep root@es-i2.fernuni-hagen. [8] mailstore ist voll 2 20-Nov trevor01@epatra.com [62] Partnership Required! 3 21-Nov auto-operator@FernUni-Hag [85] Virus in Nachricht virus-20031121-191645-15826 von an Sie 4 21-Nov auto-operator@FernUni-Hag [85] Virus in Nachricht virus-20031121-205219-2202 von an Sie 5 25-Nov auto-operator@FernUni-Hag [85] Virus in Nachricht virus-20031125-031522-14028 von an Sie 6 25-Nov auto-operator@FernUni-Hag [85] Virus in Nachricht virus-20031125-141113-10395 von an Sie 7 25-Nov auto-operator@FernUni-Hag [85] Virus in Nachricht virus-20031125-145956-26755 von an Sie 8 27-Nov auto-operator@FernUni-Hag [85] Virus in Nachricht virus-20031127-002326-14305 von an Sie 9 30-Nov auto-operator@FernUni-Hag [85] Virus in Nachricht virus-20031130-154522-823 von an Sie 10 30-Nov auto-operator@FernUni-Hag [85] Virus in Nachricht virus-20031130-191301-3919 von an Sie 11 1-Dec auto-operator@FernUni-Hag [85] Virus in Nachricht virus-20031201-075100-25393 von an Sie Message 1 was regular internal message, it was sent on 27th September. Note that no mail came in for nearly a month. Then from 20th November, a spam mail drops in, and then lots of virus infected mails! As I only sent one mail out in the world before, two days before the junk mail series, this is proof that someone harvests the incoming PRs for active email addresses. :-( >How-To-Repeat: Get a fresh email account. Send PR. >Fix: I don't know. Perhaps one should filter out the email addresses, and should make them only accessible via the web interface, after some query link, or login procedure. What annoying. Regards, Marc >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 23:06:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F7B16A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FEB43F85; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:06:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB275u6q000809; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:05:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:05:50 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: j.el-rayes@daemon.li Message-Id: <20031202020550.2bc4d544.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031201203349.GA10098@jenny.daemon.li> References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031201193002.GA1117@jenny.daemon.li> <20031201143728.39531f1b.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031201195835.GC1117@jenny.daemon.li> <20031201150742.446de66e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031201203349.GA10098@jenny.daemon.li> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:06:05 -0000 On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:33:49 +0100 Josef El-Rayes wrote: > Tom Rhodes wrote: > [...] > > The events section should be > > moved over under the Project News section. I think that conferences > > should be considered 'Project News', don't you? :) > > i agree here. > > > Are > > we on the same wavelink now? > > yes :) Great, then if there are no more comments about this particular patch, I'll just commit tomorrow morning. :) -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 02:16:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0BC16A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E69A43F3F; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB2AGFFY045362; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hB2AGFhA045358; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:16:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ceri) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:16:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200312021016.hB2AGFhA045358@freefall.freebsd.org> To: marc.vanwoerkom@fernuni-hagen.de, ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, bugmeister@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/59890: send-pr database is spam harvested X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:16:16 -0000 Synopsis: send-pr database is spam harvested State-Changed-From-To: open->suspended State-Changed-By: ceri State-Changed-When: Tue Dec 2 02:10:29 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: There are many reasons why we can't filter out the email addresses, including, but not limited to: o The email addresses in the PR must be correct for contributors to be able to ask further queries of the submitter; o The PRs must be sent out to the mailing lists for people to see them and supply fixes, etc.; o The GNATS database is public information, and is distributed to anyone who wants it over CVSup; o The web site can be harvested for addresses just as easily as the mailing lists. However, I'll suspend this for at least 12 months in case anyone comes up with a brilliant idea to get round this. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->bugmeister Responsible-Changed-By: ceri Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Dec 2 02:10:29 PST 2003 Responsible-Changed-Why: This is one for the bugmeister; as the previous entry states, don't let this discourage others from working on it. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=59890 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 10:56:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5894516A4D2; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8954743FA3; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:56:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain (12-230-74-101.client.attbi.com[12.230.74.101]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20031202185632014007pjvse>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:56:32 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB2IuDTG010501; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:56:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hB2Iu8rr010500; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:56:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) To: Tom Rhodes References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <6cad6cjo0q.d6c@mail.comcast.net> <20031201160628.3df5ff8e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> From: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:56:08 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20031201160628.3df5ff8e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> (Tom Rhodes's message of "Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:06:28 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:56:40 -0000 Tom Rhodes writes: > The key word here is 'mentions', and the idea here is not to just > mention, but link to information. But that is a BAD idea, IMO, given the information that you propose be linked to and where you propose to place the links. The key word was "user"; the information is not appropriate for users who are not developers. It's worse PR than letting them think that the web site is incomplete, IMO. It also discourages the writing of something appropriate for them. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 11:13:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1632616A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B590043F93; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:13:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.203]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB2JD56q002747; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:13:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:13:03 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Message-Id: <20031202141303.7101cbb4.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20031201133128.1eee8ecf.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <6cad6cjo0q.d6c@mail.comcast.net> <20031201160628.3df5ff8e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Restructure of the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:13:23 -0000 On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:56:08 -0800 underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) wrote: > Tom Rhodes writes: > > > The key word here is 'mentions', and the idea here is not to just > > mention, but link to information. > > But that is a BAD idea, IMO, given the information that you propose be > linked to and where you propose to place the links. The key word was I proposed to make it easier for people to find information applicable to thier specific environment. > "user"; the information is not appropriate for users who are not > developers. It's worse PR than letting them think that the web site So you HAVE to be a developer to use Alpha, AMD64, or a Sun UltraSparc? I strongly disagree with this, in fact I know several people with Sun machines who are not developers. They use them at work and they use them at home. > is incomplete, IMO. It also discourages the writing of something > appropriate for them. > Would you prefer the 'platforms' information be moved down? I have other changes I wish to make and I feel that after you get the 'whole picture' you would agree with them... -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 13:06:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C43F16A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5305943FBD; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:06:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.203]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB2L6g6q003080; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:06:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:06:40 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 21:06:48 -0000 Greetings yet again, Last night my brain just went in several different directions on how well this could turn out. And yet, there is always that lingering thought of how bad this could end up if I'm not careful. Taking a few comments on the list and off, as well as a few of my own ideas, i've crafted another patch. This patch is rough around the edges and not commit-ready, even though it does build. My goal with this one was to throw out some ideas, sort of get the ball rolling. So, honest opinions are very welcome here... This patch will: o Break up the support area into two different types. Multi-language and English (since the site is in English anyway). This will add a link to the translated documents on the front page. With this I tried to be fair and place all the multi-language and english-only options in two categories. This may need another look-over. o Takes a stab at the Vendors area, without any modification. The vendors link(s) should probably go under our Software or 'Getting FreeBSD' areas. But this can be argued. o Adds the upcoming events link under a Community section. It could be argued that local user groups should go here in place of under Support. But a broader opinion on that would be nice... Comments please... :) -- Tom Rhodes --- index.xsl.old Tue Dec 2 15:14:14 2003 +++ index.xsl Tue Dec 2 15:51:00 2003 @@ -128,11 +128,19 @@ Support
- · Mailing lists
+ · FreeBSD Mailing Lists
+ · Commercial Support
· Newsgroups
+

+ +

+ + Multi-language Support +
+ · Translated Documentation
+ · Country Specific Mailing lists
· User Groups
· Web Resources
- · Security

@@ -171,6 +179,12 @@ · Donations Liaison
· Current Donations
· List of needs
+

+ +

Community +
+ · Upcoming Events
+ · Developer Home Pages

-- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 14:53:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E26F16A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3A04402D; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:52:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (cs242719-195.austin.rr.com [24.27.19.195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABEF146AD; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:52:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3FCD1784.90605@lonesome.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:51:48 -0600 From: Mark Linimon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030713 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rhodes References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:53:19 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:53:19 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:53:19 -0000 I don't have too much of a problem with any of this, but now that I read over the live page, I think we've got the security advisories too far down the page. Suggestions? Also I might suggest switching the order of 'software' and 'platform support', since 'software' is the more general of the two. Perhaps 'platform support' should even be a subhead of 'software'? I'm just brainstorming here. I want to add, however, that "Development" looks pretty close to the Right Thing for me, and not just because part of it was my idea :-), it just "looks right" now. There's plenty of other work to do on this stuff IMHO. mcl From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 15:16:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898F416A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F00B43FE0; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:16:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (acs-24-154-239-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.203]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB2NGY6q003372; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:16:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:16:31 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <20031202181631.781138de.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <3FCD1784.90605@lonesome.com> References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3FCD1784.90605@lonesome.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:16:38 -0000 On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:51:48 -0600 Mark Linimon wrote: > I don't have too much of a problem with any of this, but now that I read > over the live page, I think we've got the security advisories too far down > the page. Suggestions? I like it on the front page for the simple fact that it makes users readily aware of the 'latest' security announcements. But a good argument here would be "We have two lists dedicated to security and a portion of the site dedicated to security. Should it be included on the front page?" While they both seem to me as a matter of preference, I'm open to suggestions as well. Move it somewhere else, just link to the page, or ... ? > > Also I might suggest switching the order of 'software' and 'platform > support', > since 'software' is the more general of the two. Perhaps 'platform support' > should even be a subhead of 'software'? I'm just brainstorming here. These are good ideas indeed. I'm partial to either or so lets get a few other thoughts on it. > > I want to add, however, that "Development" looks pretty close to the > Right Thing for me, and not just because part of it was my idea :-), > it just "looks right" now. I like it. A thought I had was to seperate the development projects into two seperate parts. Projects as part of the FreeBSD Project, and outside projects that may be of interest to users... > > There's plenty of other work to do on this stuff IMHO. I'll drink to that. I'm only worried that we, *I*, might get carried away here. While I'm attempting to seperate the links into more logical groupings and making it easier for first time or occasional visitors to locate information, this could quickly lead to an intimidating front page. But that is what we have the ever impressive 'More?' option. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 15:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF03F16A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2D343F3F; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:21:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (cs242719-195.austin.rr.com [24.27.19.195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9D7146AD; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:21:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3FCD1E48.8010205@lonesome.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:20:40 -0600 From: Mark Linimon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030713 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rhodes References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3FCD1784.90605@lonesome.com> <20031202181631.781138de.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031202181631.781138de.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:21:43 -0000 > > >While I'm attempting to seperate the links >into more logical groupings and making it easier for first time >or occasional visitors to locate information, this could quickly >lead to an intimidating front page. But that is what we have the >ever impressive 'More?' option. > Right. I've got ideas about making the second-level pages a lot more useful and consistent. IMHO they've gotten less attention than the main page. (It's that darned 'internal' page that really sets my teeth on edge, it's just become a catch-all ...) mcl From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 15:31:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5AF16A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DE643FAF; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:31:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPA00IDXJK8C9@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de>; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:21:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:21:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (postfix@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.92]) hB2NLisU012318; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:21:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Postfix) with ESMTP id B431A29; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:21:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BF15F461C; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:21:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:21:41 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer In-reply-to: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> To: Tom Rhodes Message-id: <20031202232141.GG71732@unixpages.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=Y+xroYBkGM9OatJL; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> cc: FreeBSD-www@freebsd.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:31:46 -0000 --Y+xroYBkGM9OatJL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:06:40PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > Greetings yet again, >=20 > Last night my brain just went in several different directions on > how well this could turn out. And yet, there is always that lingering > thought of how bad this could end up if I'm not careful. Taking a > few comments on the list and off, as well as a few of my own ideas, > i've crafted another patch. >=20 > This patch is rough around the edges and not commit-ready, even > though it does build. My goal with this one was to throw out some > ideas, sort of get the ball rolling. So, honest opinions are very > welcome here... This patch will: >=20 > o Break up the support area into two different types. Multi-language > and English (since the site is in English anyway). This will add > a link to the translated documents on the front page. With this > I tried to be fair and place all the multi-language and english-only > options in two categories. This may need another look-over. >=20 > o Takes a stab at the Vendors area, without any modification. The > vendors link(s) should probably go under our Software or 'Getting > FreeBSD' areas. But this can be argued. >=20 > o Adds the upcoming events link under a Community section. It could > be argued that local user groups should go here in place of under > Support. But a broader opinion on that would be nice... >=20 > Comments please... :) >=20 I like it, but I think there are still way too many links in the sidebar. As you already notes, the 'Vendors' section actually belongs to the 'Software' section. 'Documentation' and 'Support' could be consolidated into a 'Resources' section. The 'Multi-language support' section is not needed, IMHO. I think people would expect documentation in a given language on the web pages of that specific language, http://www.freebsd.org/de, for example. Maybe we should put the links to language specific web pages in a more prominent position (and list all available languages on the front page). In general, we should unclutter the side bar. IMHO, NetBSD and OpenBSD have done a good job in this regard. 4 or 5 big subsections which roughly categorize the links to subsection pages, which can contain all the other stuff. BTW, thanks for taking on this task, Tom :-) - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --Y+xroYBkGM9OatJL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/zR6FbHYXjKDtmC0RAmQKAJ97/F/a0M1hXAkm0NK2RzWd7HIV9wCgtHlo IABn3B7he8vKxgDeCr1QMjs= =xw90 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Y+xroYBkGM9OatJL-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 15:31:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9588B16A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1954143FAF; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:31:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPA00J7AJSRTM@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de>; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:26:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:26:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (postfix@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.92]) hB2NQosU012609; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:26:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CFE1D; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:26:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6FED54308; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:26:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:26:50 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer In-reply-to: <3FCD1784.90605@lonesome.com> To: Mark Linimon Message-id: <20031202232650.GH71732@unixpages.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="a8sldprk+5E/pDEv"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3FCD1784.90605@lonesome.com> cc: Tom Rhodes cc: FreeBSD-doc@freebsd.org cc: FreeBSD-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:31:48 -0000 --a8sldprk+5E/pDEv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:51:48PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > I don't have too much of a problem with any of this, but now that I read > over the live page, I think we've got the security advisories too far down > the page. Suggestions? >=20 > Also I might suggest switching the order of 'software' and 'platform=20 > support', > since 'software' is the more general of the two. Perhaps 'platform suppo= rt' > should even be a subhead of 'software'? I'm just brainstorming here. >=20 > I want to add, however, that "Development" looks pretty close to the > Right Thing for me, and not just because part of it was my idea :-), > it just "looks right" now. >=20 > There's plenty of other work to do on this stuff IMHO. >=20 I think the 'Contributing to FreeBSD' link is misplaced in the 'Development' section. It implies, that you have to be a developer, to support FreeBSD. That's exactly the thinking we want to prevent :-) However, I don't have a better suggestion at the moment, maybe sleep will bring some ideas. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --a8sldprk+5E/pDEv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/zR+6bHYXjKDtmC0RApoMAKDjeX6XB2KshhJQTW010JqbSzBmlwCg9q3Z 8Jb5UPLFuWRzuR5mBh0iDBM= =sDC8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8sldprk+5E/pDEv-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 17:47:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE7616A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:47:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from perrin.nxad.com (internal.nxad.com [69.1.70.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C2943F85; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:47:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sean@nxad.com) Received: by perrin.nxad.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A50DB21067; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:46:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:46:06 -0800 From: Sean Chittenden To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20031203014606.GB81503@perrin.nxad.com> References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0F1p//8PRICkK4MW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-PGP-Key: finger seanc@FreeBSD.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3849 3760 1AFE 7B17 11A0 83A6 DD99 E31F BC84 B341 X-Web-Homepage: http://sean.chittenden.org/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:47:21 -0000 --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > o Takes a stab at the Vendors area, without any modification. The > vendors link(s) should probably go under our Software or 'Getting > FreeBSD' areas. But this can be argued. In my experience, one of the areas that FreeBSD has consistently been dinged in the "initial impressions by management" department is the lack of an obvious link to a list of vendors that provide commercial support. Why? Vendors doesn't translate into commercial support with some folk for some reason. There's nothing on the main page that references /commercial/ and I think it'd be helpful to those evaluating the use of FreeBSD. It's a trivial change, but I think helps. Attached patch reoganizes and makes the /commercial/ page more concise and alphabetizes the list of vendor categories. The last thing that I think the commerical section is *desparately* in need of, is a list of vendors that provide long term, 24/7 support. It's non-obvious that there is a bunch of companies that provide that with our current setup and this is consistently one of the most important aspects of commercial support for people deciding to use FreeBSD. I don't have an answer for this at this time, but think that it needs immediate attention before the 5.3 release (5.2's too close). Anyway, /commercial/ needs a nice professional touch to it and to move away from some of the flashy, high-energy verbiage that's in there now to something more solid and grounded in its tone, but that's for another day. PS meta keywords could be brought into the 21st century. "free unix download stable fast performance smp" would be better than some of the entries listed. -sc -- Sean Chittenden --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=patch Index: index.xsl =================================================================== RCS file: /home/dcvs/www/en/index.xsl,v retrieving revision 1.84 diff -u -r1.84 index.xsl --- index.xsl 2 Dec 2003 20:12:28 -0000 1.84 +++ index.xsl 3 Dec 2003 01:46:32 -0000 @@ -128,6 +128,7 @@ Support
+ · Commercial
· Mailing lists
· Newsgroups
· User Groups
@@ -158,8 +159,10 @@ · Contributing to FreeBSD

-

Vendors -
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+ + Vendors +
· Software
· Hardware
· Consulting
Index: commercial/commercial.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/dcvs/www/en/commercial/commercial.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.34 diff -u -r1.34 commercial.sgml --- commercial/commercial.sgml 20 Apr 2002 14:41:47 -0000 1.34 +++ commercial/commercial.sgml 3 Dec 2003 01:46:32 -0000 @@ -9,42 +9,54 @@ &header; -&vendorintroduction; -

- Please note that the inclusion of vendors in our list - does not signify our endorsement of their products or services. + The power, flexibility, and reliability of FreeBSD + attract a wide variety of users and vendors. + In addition to our gallery page, + showcasing many of our users, + below is a list of vendors offering commercial products, services, + and/or consulting for FreeBSD.

    -
  • Software Vendors - From audio players and network drivers to commercial databases, - you will find a variety of industrial strength software for FreeBSD. - You can see the alphabetical list, - or, if you prefer, - view it by categories. -

    • - -
  • Hardware Vendors - Need specialized tools or just browsing for equipment? - These companies may have what you need! -

    • -
  • Consulting Services Whether you are just starting out with FreeBSD, or need to complete a large project, - a consultant or two might be your answer. + hiring consultants might be your answer. You can see the alphabetical list, or, if you prefer, view it by categories.

    • +
  • Hardware Vendors + Need specialized tools, looking to buy a new desktop, or to fill a cage with rack mount servers that come with FreeBSD pre-installed? + These companies may have what you need! +

    • +
  • Miscellaneous Vendors Books and accessories you just cannot live without!

    • +
  • Software Vendors + From audio players, network drivers, to commercial databases, + FreeBSD has a wide variety of industrial strength software available. + You can see the alphabetical list, + or, if you prefer, + view it by categories. +

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+ +

+ If your company supports a FreeBSD related product, service, consulting, or support + that should be added to this page, please send email + to www@FreeBSD.org + and let us know! + Submissions should be in HTML and a medium-sized paragraph in length. + Please note that the inclusion of vendors in our list + does not signify our endorsement of their products or services. +

&footer; --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 18:01:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C455E16A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE9F43F3F; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:01:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB321N6q003801; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:01:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:01:17 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Christian Brueffer Message-Id: <20031202210117.619c2170.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031202232650.GH71732@unixpages.org> References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3FCD1784.90605@lonesome.com> <20031202232650.GH71732@unixpages.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Mark Linimon cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:01:25 -0000 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:26:50 +0100 Christian Brueffer wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:51:48PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > > I don't have too much of a problem with any of this, but now that I read > > over the live page, I think we've got the security advisories too far down > > the page. Suggestions? > > > > Also I might suggest switching the order of 'software' and 'platform > > support', > > since 'software' is the more general of the two. Perhaps 'platform support' > > should even be a subhead of 'software'? I'm just brainstorming here. > > > > I want to add, however, that "Development" looks pretty close to the > > Right Thing for me, and not just because part of it was my idea :-), > > it just "looks right" now. > > > > There's plenty of other work to do on this stuff IMHO. > > > > I think the 'Contributing to FreeBSD' link is misplaced in the 'Development' > section. It implies, that you have to be a developer, to support FreeBSD. > That's exactly the thinking we want to prevent :-) > > However, I don't have a better suggestion at the moment, maybe sleep > will bring some ideas. Well, we do have the donations link up there. We also have project websites for tasks like C99, busdma, SMP and other things. If they had a 'call for help' on them (indeed the task list should be enough), perhaps that would be a route to go. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 18:10:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1005216A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB7043F93; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:10:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB32AV6q003832; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:10:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:10:30 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Christian Brueffer Message-Id: <20031202211030.1631d5be.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031202232141.GG71732@unixpages.org> References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031202232141.GG71732@unixpages.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:10:35 -0000 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:21:41 +0100 Christian Brueffer wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:06:40PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > Greetings yet again, > > > > Last night my brain just went in several different directions on > > how well this could turn out. And yet, there is always that lingering > > thought of how bad this could end up if I'm not careful. Taking a > > few comments on the list and off, as well as a few of my own ideas, > > i've crafted another patch. > > > > This patch is rough around the edges and not commit-ready, even > > though it does build. My goal with this one was to throw out some > > ideas, sort of get the ball rolling. So, honest opinions are very > > welcome here... This patch will: > > > > o Break up the support area into two different types. Multi-language > > and English (since the site is in English anyway). This will add > > a link to the translated documents on the front page. With this > > I tried to be fair and place all the multi-language and english-only > > options in two categories. This may need another look-over. > > > > o Takes a stab at the Vendors area, without any modification. The > > vendors link(s) should probably go under our Software or 'Getting > > FreeBSD' areas. But this can be argued. > > > > o Adds the upcoming events link under a Community section. It could > > be argued that local user groups should go here in place of under > > Support. But a broader opinion on that would be nice... > > > > Comments please... :) > > > > I like it, but I think there are still way too many links in the > sidebar. Yes, too many can be overwhelming. I'm thinking of ways to get around this. If we do site cleanup, then perhaps we can break things up a bit. Like this: Front page Support ---- America -- links, documentation, ... Other -- links to sites, translated docs, ... > > As you already notes, the 'Vendors' section actually belongs to the > 'Software' section. 'Documentation' and 'Support' could be consolidated > into a 'Resources' section. That was kind of what I thought too, and I think Mark noted that in either private/public mail to me. Like on the IBM/Microsoft/Intel site, you visit the support section (usually support.domain.xxx) and they have downloads, documentation, software/hardware errata, bug/knowledge base... There may be something to that idea... > > The 'Multi-language support' section is not needed, IMHO. I think > people would expect documentation in a given language on the web > pages of that specific language, http://www.freebsd.org/de, for example. That is an opinion I wanted to hear, thanks! See my half-assed suggestion above. > > Maybe we should put the links to language specific web pages in a more > prominent position (and list all available languages on the front page). > > In general, we should unclutter the side bar. IMHO, NetBSD and OpenBSD > have done a good job in this regard. 4 or 5 big subsections which > roughly categorize the links to subsection pages, which can contain all > the other stuff. My goal explained! A good one or two 'key words' which link to a large area containing everything they would want. Easy to navigate, tons of useful information, no hunting around an endless wave of links to find one simple answer... Not that our site is that bad, yet... > > BTW, thanks for taking on this task, Tom :-) Not a problem at all, thanks for the support my friend! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 18:23:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B389F16A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D8043FBF; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:23:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB32NF6q003896; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:23:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:23:14 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Sean Chittenden Message-Id: <20031202212314.2451e05d.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031203014606.GB81503@perrin.nxad.com> References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031203014606.GB81503@perrin.nxad.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:23:17 -0000 On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:46:06 -0800 Sean Chittenden wrote: > > o Takes a stab at the Vendors area, without any modification. The > > vendors link(s) should probably go under our Software or 'Getting > > FreeBSD' areas. But this can be argued. > > In my experience, one of the areas that FreeBSD has consistently been > dinged in the "initial impressions by management" department is the > lack of an obvious link to a list of vendors that provide commercial > support. Why? Vendors doesn't translate into commercial support with > some folk for some reason. There's nothing on the main page that > references /commercial/ and I think it'd be helpful to those > evaluating the use of FreeBSD. It's a trivial change, but I think > helps. Attached patch reoganizes and makes the /commercial/ page more > concise and alphabetizes the list of vendor categories. Since I'm still hammering out the 'look' of the front page with everyone, could I ask that the first part of this diff wait for a little while? I do agree that commercial support is something that needs more light shed on it, but every part of the site will get equal attention. :) > > The last thing that I think the commerical section is *desparately* in > need of, is a list of vendors that provide long term, 24/7 support. > It's non-obvious that there is a bunch of companies that provide that > with our current setup and this is consistently one of the most > important aspects of commercial support for people deciding to use > FreeBSD. I don't have an answer for this at this time, but think that > it needs immediate attention before the 5.3 release (5.2's too close). Hmmm, if I can keep my Cell phone pluged in over night beside my bed, I see a way to make some quick cash... :) > > Anyway, /commercial/ needs a nice professional touch to it and to move > away from some of the flashy, high-energy verbiage that's in there now > to something more solid and grounded in its tone, but that's for > another day. The rest of your patch seems fine. If you want to work over this with patches being discussed on the list, feel free. > > PS meta keywords could be brought into the 21st century. "free unix > download stable fast performance smp" would be better than some of > the entries listed. Noted... -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 18:31:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702B716A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from perrin.nxad.com (internal.nxad.com [69.1.70.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A58D43FCB; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:31:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sean@nxad.com) Received: by perrin.nxad.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B656C21067; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:30:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:30:09 -0800 From: Sean Chittenden To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20031203023009.GG16547@perrin.nxad.com> References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031203014606.GB81503@perrin.nxad.com> <20031202212314.2451e05d.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031202212314.2451e05d.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-PGP-Key: finger seanc@FreeBSD.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3849 3760 1AFE 7B17 11A0 83A6 DD99 E31F BC84 B341 X-Web-Homepage: http://sean.chittenden.org/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:31:24 -0000 > Since I'm still hammering out the 'look' of the front page with > everyone, could I ask that the first part of this diff wait for > a little while? I do agree that commercial support is something > that needs more light shed on it, but every part of the site will > get equal attention. :) Or simply incorporate it into your bits? It wasn't what I'd call a substantive amount of work on my part. :) > > The last thing that I think the commerical section is *desparately* in > > need of, is a list of vendors that provide long term, 24/7 support. > > It's non-obvious that there is a bunch of companies that provide that > > with our current setup and this is consistently one of the most > > important aspects of commercial support for people deciding to use > > FreeBSD. I don't have an answer for this at this time, but think that > > it needs immediate attention before the 5.3 release (5.2's too close). > > Hmmm, if I can keep my Cell phone pluged in over night beside my bed, > I see a way to make some quick cash... :) If the money is flowing from a company to a person or to another company, and the recipient of the money was found through this resource, I'd say that's good news for FreeBSD. :) That said, why not leave your cell phone on over night? I think the criteria should be having a website of some sort, which should keep the support area clean of people looking for a buck or two who aren't setup for long term support. There's no substitute for due-diligence on the part of a company. > > Anyway, /commercial/ needs a nice professional touch to it and to > > move away from some of the flashy, high-energy verbiage that's in > > there now to something more solid and grounded in its tone, but > > that's for another day. > > The rest of your patch seems fine. If you want to work over this > with patches being discussed on the list, feel free. I'll start with committing commercial.sgml for now and will put together the support section bits here in the next day or so and will post the patches on www@. -sc -- Sean Chittenden From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 2 18:43:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A8316A4CE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0102B43FDD; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:43:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB32hW6q003975; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:43:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:43:30 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Sean Chittenden Message-Id: <20031202214330.7e65be01.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031203023009.GG16547@perrin.nxad.com> References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031203014606.GB81503@perrin.nxad.com> <20031202212314.2451e05d.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031203023009.GG16547@perrin.nxad.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:43:34 -0000 On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:30:09 -0800 Sean Chittenden wrote: > > Since I'm still hammering out the 'look' of the front page with > > everyone, could I ask that the first part of this diff wait for > > a little while? I do agree that commercial support is something > > that needs more light shed on it, but every part of the site will > > get equal attention. :) > > Or simply incorporate it into your bits? It wasn't what I'd call a > substantive amount of work on my part. :) Actually, I thought I did that in my patch? If I neglected it, then i'll fix right away... :) > > > > The last thing that I think the commerical section is *desparately* in > > > need of, is a list of vendors that provide long term, 24/7 support. > > > It's non-obvious that there is a bunch of companies that provide that > > > with our current setup and this is consistently one of the most > > > important aspects of commercial support for people deciding to use > > > FreeBSD. I don't have an answer for this at this time, but think that > > > it needs immediate attention before the 5.3 release (5.2's too close). > > > > Hmmm, if I can keep my Cell phone pluged in over night beside my bed, > > I see a way to make some quick cash... :) > > If the money is flowing from a company to a person or to another > company, and the recipient of the money was found through this > resource, I'd say that's good news for FreeBSD. :) That said, why not > leave your cell phone on over night? I think the criteria should be Battery would drain (I need a new one). :) > having a website of some sort, which should keep the support area > clean of people looking for a buck or two who aren't setup for long > term support. There's no substitute for due-diligence on the part of > a company. Good point. I think that is the current criteria anyways, but I'm not that familiar with the commercial gallery unfortunately... > > > > Anyway, /commercial/ needs a nice professional touch to it and to > > > move away from some of the flashy, high-energy verbiage that's in > > > there now to something more solid and grounded in its tone, but > > > that's for another day. > > > > The rest of your patch seems fine. If you want to work over this > > with patches being discussed on the list, feel free. > > I'll start with committing commercial.sgml for now and will put > together the support section bits here in the next day or so and will > post the patches on www@. -sc Just be sure you run changes through Ceri. He's listed as the Commercial gallery editor on the contributors page. As for the support section bits, I have a few ideas that I would gladly run by you if you want to hear them. Thanks for the help with this! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 02:16:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12F916A4CE; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 02:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDC843FF7; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 02:16:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hB3AG1B0083328; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:16:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id hB3AFuhQ083322; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:15:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:15:56 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Christian Brueffer Message-ID: <20031203111556.A82729@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031202232141.GG71732@unixpages.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20031202232141.GG71732@unixpages.org>; from chris@unixpages.org on Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:21:41AM +0100 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE cc: Tom Rhodes cc: FreeBSD-doc@freebsd.org cc: FreeBSD-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:16:09 -0000 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:21:41AM +0100, Christian Brueffer wrote: >=20 > I like it, but I think there are still way too many links in the > sidebar. >=20 > As you already notes, the 'Vendors' section actually belongs to the > 'Software' section. 'Documentation' and 'Support' could be consolidated > into a 'Resources' section. >=20 > The 'Multi-language support' section is not needed, IMHO. I think > people would expect documentation in a given language on the web > pages of that specific language, http://www.freebsd.org/de, for example. >=20 > Maybe we should put the links to language specific web pages in a more > prominent position (and list all available languages on the front page). >=20 > In general, we should unclutter the side bar. IMHO, NetBSD and OpenBSD > have done a good job in this regard. 4 or 5 big subsections which > roughly categorize the links to subsection pages, which can contain all > the other stuff. >=20 [...] (Sorry, I do not have time to give to these interesting changes :( ) I agree with Christian the NetBSD.org way for Languages is very efficient and well "placed", we just need something like that. As I said above, I can't help you more guys but the new front page (the one available at the time of this writing) is already a great improvment, please continue! Marc --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Pour information voir http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE/zbfZ81T1MWxkgcoRAuFkAJ9uE8Fuf/Ez5MqWtz6Szd9jJBgAZwCeMfyJ mk3d+7bAcHOEpSyNCm4k+I4= =gQX3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 04:59:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F73C16A4E2; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 04:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC50E43FDF; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 04:59:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPB00445KWZV3@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de>; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:48:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:48:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (postfix@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.92]) hB3CmYsU029114; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:48:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16DE1D; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:48:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E5579461C; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:48:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:48:32 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer In-reply-to: <20031202211030.1631d5be.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> To: Tom Rhodes Message-id: <20031203124832.GI71732@unixpages.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="FUFe+yI/t+r3nyH4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031202232141.GG71732@unixpages.org> <20031202211030.1631d5be.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> cc: FreeBSD-www@freebsd.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:59:40 -0000 --FUFe+yI/t+r3nyH4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 09:10:30PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:21:41 +0100 > Christian Brueffer wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > I like it, but I think there are still way too many links in the > > sidebar. >=20 > Yes, too many can be overwhelming. I'm thinking of ways to get > around this. If we do site cleanup, then perhaps we can break > things up a bit. Like this: >=20 > Front page > Support ---- America -- links, documentation, ... > Other -- links to sites, translated docs, ... >=20 I have to think about this some more, I don't think your example above catches it quite right. > >=20 > > As you already notes, the 'Vendors' section actually belongs to the > > 'Software' section. 'Documentation' and 'Support' could be consolidated > > into a 'Resources' section. >=20 > That was kind of what I thought too, and I think Mark noted that > in either private/public mail to me. Like on the IBM/Microsoft/Intel > site, you visit the support section (usually support.domain.xxx) and > they have downloads, documentation, software/hardware errata, > bug/knowledge base... There may be something to that idea... >=20 Yes, something like that would be nice. >=20 > >=20 > > Maybe we should put the links to language specific web pages in a more > > prominent position (and list all available languages on the front page). > >=20 > > In general, we should unclutter the side bar. IMHO, NetBSD and OpenBSD > > have done a good job in this regard. 4 or 5 big subsections which > > roughly categorize the links to subsection pages, which can contain all > > the other stuff. >=20 > My goal explained! A good one or two 'key words' which link to a > large area containing everything they would want. Easy to navigate, > tons of useful information, no hunting around an endless wave of > links to find one simple answer... Not that our site is that bad, > yet... >=20 Good to see we're on the same line on this one. 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From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 17:16:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B4916A4CE; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E242043F93; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:16:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB41GG6q007496; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:16:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:16:12 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Christian Brueffer Message-Id: <20031203201612.1bcb13b0.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031203124832.GI71732@unixpages.org> References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031202232141.GG71732@unixpages.org> <20031202211030.1631d5be.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031203124832.GI71732@unixpages.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:16:20 -0000 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:48:32 +0100 Christian Brueffer wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 09:10:30PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:21:41 +0100 > > Christian Brueffer wrote: > > > > > > > > I like it, but I think there are still way too many links in the > > > sidebar. > > > > Yes, too many can be overwhelming. I'm thinking of ways to get > > around this. If we do site cleanup, then perhaps we can break > > things up a bit. Like this: > > > > Front page > > Support ---- America -- links, documentation, ... > > Other -- links to sites, translated docs, ... > > > > I have to think about this some more, I don't think your example above > catches it quite right. In all honesty, it doesn't. But what else could I do with only a few moments of time before I left work eh? :) > > > > > > > As you already notes, the 'Vendors' section actually belongs to the > > > 'Software' section. 'Documentation' and 'Support' could be consolidated > > > into a 'Resources' section. > > > > That was kind of what I thought too, and I think Mark noted that > > in either private/public mail to me. Like on the IBM/Microsoft/Intel > > site, you visit the support section (usually support.domain.xxx) and > > they have downloads, documentation, software/hardware errata, > > bug/knowledge base... There may be something to that idea... > > > > Yes, something like that would be nice. Sean wanted to get some ideas from me on this. Of course, we won't commit anything without general -doc approval. > > > > > > > > > Maybe we should put the links to language specific web pages in a more > > > prominent position (and list all available languages on the front page). > > > > > > In general, we should unclutter the side bar. IMHO, NetBSD and OpenBSD > > > have done a good job in this regard. 4 or 5 big subsections which > > > roughly categorize the links to subsection pages, which can contain all > > > the other stuff. > > > > My goal explained! A good one or two 'key words' which link to a > > large area containing everything they would want. Easy to navigate, > > tons of useful information, no hunting around an endless wave of > > links to find one simple answer... Not that our site is that bad, > > yet... > > > > Good to see we're on the same line on this one. Haven't read most of > the other thread, so if I just parrotted what you already said, sorry > about that one :-) Tis fine. As long as we are on the same wave link, I'm happy. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 17:23:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9000F16A4CE; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91FE43FE3; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:23:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hB41Nd6q007523; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:23:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:23:35 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <20031203202335.68730ae9.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20031203111556.A82729@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20031202160640.1df85804.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20031202232141.GG71732@unixpages.org> <20031203111556.A82729@abigail.blackend.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Round two of the front page structure changes... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:23:41 -0000 On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:15:56 +0100 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:21:41AM +0100, Christian Brueffer wrote: > > > > I like it, but I think there are still way too many links in the > > sidebar. > > > > As you already notes, the 'Vendors' section actually belongs to the > > 'Software' section. 'Documentation' and 'Support' could be consolidated > > into a 'Resources' section. > > > > The 'Multi-language support' section is not needed, IMHO. I think > > people would expect documentation in a given language on the web > > pages of that specific language, http://www.freebsd.org/de, for example. > > > > Maybe we should put the links to language specific web pages in a more > > prominent position (and list all available languages on the front page). > > > > In general, we should unclutter the side bar. IMHO, NetBSD and OpenBSD > > have done a good job in this regard. 4 or 5 big subsections which > > roughly categorize the links to subsection pages, which can contain all > > the other stuff. > > > [...] > > (Sorry, I do not have time to give to these interesting changes :( ) > > I agree with Christian the NetBSD.org way for Languages is very > efficient and well "placed", we just need something like that. That sounds like a good idea. It may be more noticable than a drop down box and whatnot... > > As I said above, I can't help you more guys but the new front page (the > one available at the time of this writing) is already a great > improvment, please continue! Thanks! Besides, you seem to be covering the ports doc, which I lack time on. Talk about working together hehe... -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 10:04:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1401316A4CE for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2A643FBF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:04:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlnguyen@clipper.ens.fr) Received: from clipper.ens.fr (clipper-gw.ens.fr [129.199.1.22]) by nef.ens.fr (8.12.10/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id hB4I48aW031166 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:04:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from (mlnguyen@localhost) by clipper.ens.fr (8.12.3/jb-1.1) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:04:06 +0100 From: Marie-Lan Nguyen To: www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031204180406.GA23579@clipper.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.4 Subject: FreeBSD Related Publication X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:04:11 -0000 Hi, There's a recent publication about BSD I'd like to report for your "FreeBSD Related Publications" page: . It's a French book (no CD included) from Emmanuel Dreyfus, a NetBSD developer. It's a general introduction to all three *BSD, from installation to administration and troubleshooting. The full title is "BSD", coll. "Cahiers de l'administrateur", n°11244, Eyrolles, 2003 (25EUR). The related URL (from the publisher's Website) is: -- Marie-Lan Nguyen "I have only two things to say to you, Lord Tilbury. One is that you have ruined a man's life. The other is Pip-pip." (P.G. Wodehouse) From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 10:26:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E4E16A4CF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:26:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E60143FDF for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:26:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hB4IQZB0027146; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:26:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id hB4IQZ5g027145; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:26:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:26:34 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Marie-Lan Nguyen Message-ID: <20031204192634.B969@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20031204180406.GA23579@clipper.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20031204180406.GA23579@clipper.ens.fr>; from marie-lan.nguyen@normalesup.org on Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:04:06PM +0100 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Related Publication X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:26:39 -0000 On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:04:06PM +0100, Marie-Lan Nguyen wrote: > Hi, > > There's a recent publication about BSD I'd like to report for your > "FreeBSD Related Publications" page: > . > > It's a French book (no CD included) from Emmanuel Dreyfus, a NetBSD > developer. It's a general introduction to all three *BSD, from > installation to administration and troubleshooting. > [...] I already added it to the bibliography part of the Handbook, but I'll add it to the Related Publication page. Marc From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 03:30:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C540416A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 03:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6D843FA3 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 03:30:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB5BU7FY096748 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 03:30:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hB5BU7te096747; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 03:30:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 03:30:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200312051130.hB5BU7te096747@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Josef El-Rayes Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AE616A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 03:28:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from taro.utanet.at (taro.utanet.at [213.90.36.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D96F43FDF for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 03:28:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from josef@daemon.li) Received: from pam.utanet.at ([213.90.36.6]) by taro.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASE8P-0002tn-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:28:33 +0100 Received: from dsl-240-167.utaonline.at ([212.152.240.167] helo=jenny.daemon.li) by pam.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASE8O-0008RE-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:28:32 +0100 Received: by jenny.daemon.li (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 3492C67C; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:29:46 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20031205112946.3492C67C@jenny.daemon.li> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:29:46 +0100 (CET) From: Josef El-Rayes To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: www/59972: [patch] press: add article X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Josef El-Rayes List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:30:09 -0000 >Number: 59972 >Category: www >Synopsis: [patch] press: add article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Dec 05 03:30:07 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Josef El-Rayes >Release: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD jenny.daemon.li 4.9-STABLE FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE #5: Sun Nov 16 23:10:01 CET 2003 josef@jenny.daemon.li:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JENNY i386 >Description: add article about using stenography on FreeBSD by Dru Lavigne >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- press.xml.diff begins here --- --- press.xml.orig Fri Dec 5 12:13:13 2003 +++ press.xml Fri Dec 5 12:20:45 2003 @@ -18,6 +18,17 @@ December + Hiding Secrets with Steganography + http://www.onlamp.com/lpt/a/4392 + OnLamp.com + http://www.onlamp.com/ + 04 December 2003 + Dru Lavigne +

The author presents applications for hiding sensible data + through stenography.

+ + + Desktop FreeBSD Part 1: Installation http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=272 Open For Business --- press.xml.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 6 12:00:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D267216A4D0 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:00:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58AA43FE1 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:00:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB6K0YFY032413 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:00:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hB6K0YfT032412; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:00:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:00:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200312062000.hB6K0YfT032412@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Josef El-Rayes Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A18816A4CE for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from tatiana.utanet.at (tatiana.utanet.at [213.90.36.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE8843FE1 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:52:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from josef@daemon.li) Received: from patricia.utanet.at ([213.90.36.8]) by tatiana.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASiU3-0007pJ-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:52:55 +0100 Received: from dsl-239-152.utaonline.at ([212.152.239.152] helo=jenny.daemon.li) by patricia.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASiU3-00054z-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:52:55 +0100 Received: by jenny.daemon.li (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 31140126; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:54:11 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20031206195411.31140126@jenny.daemon.li> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:54:11 +0100 (CET) From: Josef El-Rayes To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: www/59994: [patch] frontpage: shorten headline to free space X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Josef El-Rayes List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:00:37 -0000 >Number: 59994 >Category: www >Synopsis: [patch] frontpage: shorten headline to free space >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Dec 06 12:00:34 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Josef El-Rayes >Release: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD jenny.daemon.li 4.9-STABLE FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE #5: Sun Nov 16 23:10:01 CET 2003 josef@jenny.daemon.li:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JENNY i386 >Description: i was wondering if we shouldn't rename the headline "Platform Support" into "Platforms", we had long discussions to find out that we feel the frontpage is to clobbered and why not shorten this headline so it fits on one line instead of two, which frees some space. i also removed the ':' for consistency. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- index.xsl.diff begins here --- --- index.xsl.orig Sat Dec 6 20:50:20 2003 +++ index.xsl Sat Dec 6 20:51:02 2003 @@ -96,7 +96,7 @@

- Platform Support: + Platforms
· i386
· Alpha
--- index.xsl.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: