From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 7 12:57:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66AC316A543 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41207.mail.yahoo.com (web41207.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19CF443D2F for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:57:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmturnbull@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040307205710.35302.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.36.223.156] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:57:10 PST Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:57:10 -0800 (PST) From: Donald Turnbull To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040307202353.GC94564@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: Installation - More user friendly X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:57:14 -0000 Wow !! Why you guys getting all offensive? I'm just asking a question. Matthew Seaman wrote: On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:49:14AM -0800, Donald Turnbull wrote: > > Does the folks of FreeBSD has any plans to make installation more user friendly for the newbie or the non-tech minded user for example like Red Hat or Mandrake Linux installation? The point for technology is to make people lives easier right? Oooh. That's a can of worms you're opening there. Careful lest it blows up in your face. Plans exist aplenty. Talk is cheap. See, for instance the libh project stuff -- http://www.freebsd.org/projects/libh.html -- which was a nice idea in many ways but has entirely failed to produce any results for about the last two years. What is missing are concrete pieces of code: applications that work. If you think you can do better than what we have presently, you are very welcome to submit samples of works in progress. On the other hand, your contention that FreeBSD installation is user-unfriendly particularly for the nieve user, is not entirely born out in practice. Most people take a few minutes to get used to the way it works, and then find that they can navigate around the menus and get things done very effectively. You'll also have a great deal of difficulty persuading experienced users that they need a glitzy X based installer which won't work over a serial line connection, and that doesn't permit the same flexibility as the current sysinstall(8). Style palls very quickly unless it is backed up by substance, but substance makes up for any amount of lack of style. Anyway, this is a topic more suitable for freebsd-advocacy@... Reply-to set appropriately. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster.