From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 21:11:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E73C16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:11:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.xlservers.com (ns4.xlservers.com [65.39.217.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6DB43D2F for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:11:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from martin@marketbridge.com) Received: from marketbra2hbu2 (ip250-175.ott.istop.com [66.11.175.250]) by server2.xlservers.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i6EKwPA16506 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:58:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1f0601c469e7$ee5a1760$6501a8c0@marketbra2hbu2> From: "Martin Laflamme" To: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:17:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: Professional Course on FreeBSD - Advocating its Use X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:11:13 -0000 Good Afternoon, This is to inform individuals interested in BSD Training that Marketbridge Technologies, Inc. offers such a course. 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Thank you, Martin --- Martin Laflamme Course Coordinator CCNA, CCNP, CCDA, CCDP Cisco Certified Academy Instructor martin@marketbridge.com Marketbridge Technologies, Inc. http://www.marketbridge.com Suite B-101 1066 Somerset St. West Ottawa, ON K1Y 4T3 Office: (613) 728-5504 Toll Free: (877) 595-5504 Cell: (613) 295-5504 FAX: (613) 841-8370 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 16:23:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3FC16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:23:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9782E43D39 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:23:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Sigmascape1@cs.com) Received: from Sigmascape1@cs.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id n.1e5.252c5a68 (15886) for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.com (mow-d15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.131]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v100.23) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e40f6af6f123; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:23:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:23:11 -0400 From: Sigmascape1@cs.com To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <395AE78F.6ED0EF04.3F8EDD3A@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 65.82.194.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: FreeBSD Goals X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:23:17 -0000 Hi, I am not a huge poster to this mailing list, but I am interested in FreeBSD. Generally speaking, is one goal of FreeBSD and its community, to make FreeBSD as easy to use a mainstream Linux distro? I'm just curious. I see a lot of potential for FreeBSD on the server side of things, but Linux and its various distros are now making Linux easier to use on the front end of things (client side) as well as being solid in the server department. Having used SuSE 8 and 9, I can say Linux has now entered a new world of 'ease-of-use.' >From my position, I am much more interested in BSD-based alternatives that offer me and my staff alternatives on the client side. Obviously, Mac OS X is a strong alternative, but most of our hardware is x86-based. Our hardware is probably not change, so Linux is an option that is difficult to ignore. Any thoughts? Thanks! Mitch From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 16:57:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FEF16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:57:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348EF43D3F for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:57:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net (unverified [24.119.122.85]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.9b) with ESMTP id 27477063 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:42:15 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:57:02 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040715115702.7ec43057@vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <395AE78F.6ED0EF04.3F8EDD3A@cs.com> References: <395AE78F.6ED0EF04.3F8EDD3A@cs.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD Goals X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:57:01 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:23:11 -0400 Sigmascape1@cs.com wrote: > Hi, > > I am not a huge poster to this mailing list, but I am interested in > FreeBSD. Generally speaking, is one goal of FreeBSD and its > community, to make FreeBSD as easy to use a mainstream Linux distro? > I'm just curious. I see a lot of potential for FreeBSD on the server > side of things, but Linux and its various distros are now making > Linux easier to use on the front end of things (client side) as well > as being solid in the server department. Having used SuSE 8 and 9, I > can say Linux has now entered a new world of 'ease-of-use.' What is truely needed is a MMC clone. The linux is beat completely hands down. Lol, from all the users of linux I've talked to I've still not seen this 'easy-to-use'... once some one wants to expand beyond the base of the distro they are running, it still has massive problems... > >From my position, I am much more interested in BSD-based > >alternatives that offer me and my staff alternatives on the client > >side. Obviously, Mac OS X is a strong alternative, but most of our > >hardware is x86-based. Our hardware is probably not change, so > >Linux is an option that is difficult to ignore. > > Any thoughts? MMC clone. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 17:09:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6CA16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:09:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wallsand-pub.fda.gov (wallsand-pub.fda.gov [150.148.0.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3138043D41 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:09:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from DrewsJ@cder.fda.gov) Received: from no.name.available by wallsand-pub.fda.gov via smtpd (for mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) with SMTP; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:09:43 -0400 Received: from 10.11.2.117 by cdsmms01.cder.fda.gov with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v5.5.1)); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:09:38 -0400 Received: by cdsx02.cder.fda.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19 ) id <30FT25AM>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:09:38 -0400 Message-ID: <4C88DC099E9AF945A6DA4D6FFA1865D17D742C@cdsx06.cder.fda.gov> From: "Drews, Jonathan*" To: "'Sigmascape1@cs.com'" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:09:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 6CE865D858158-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: FreeBSD Goals X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:09:44 -0000 Hello Mitch and others: I use FreeBSD as a desktop system and I must say that it works very fine in that role. IMHO the biggest benefit is the good integration of the userland. That (to me) is really important. FreeBSD has the following good benefits: 1) A robust way to make PPP connections through userland-ppp. I think FreeBSD's userland-ppp is better than what exists in Linux. I have used userland ppp with serial, USB and PCMCIA modems. In all three cases it worked very well. 2) The ports system handles software upgrades (and dependencies) much better than the rpm system. Doing large updates (Gnome, Kde etc.) works better for me in FreeBSD. 3) Larger software choice -- +11,000 ports. 4) FreeBSD has, in my experience, better security. Run this script on a stock Linux install and see what happens: $ cat < /tmp/foo.sh #!/bin/bash $0 & $0 & ! $ chmod +x /tmp/foo.sh $ /tmp/foo.sh On FreeBSD, the process will be quietly terminated. On Linux, it froze the computer, requiring a hard reboot. http://lists.firepipe.net/pipermail/cwe-lug/2004-March/000999.html 5) USB scanning works well in FreeBSD. 6) FreeBSD's pf (and for that matter IPFW) are easier to configure and maintain then Linux' IP tables (IMHO). 7) Excellent documentation in the form of the handbook and the tutorials, at OnLamp's FreeBSD basics. Just so you don't think I am bashing Linux (which is certainly good) I want you to know that I used SuSE 6.4 through 9.0 inclusive. I switched to FreeBSD about a year ago. When I look back, I think a lot of what ailed Linux were poor userland integrations. This lack of userland integration is still a problem today. Some of the more notable userland problems: A) Auto mount in Mandrake. B) Wvdial/Kinternet in SuSE. C) gcc 2.96 (arguably this was a necessary step forward) in Mandrake and RedHat. In closing I would like to mention that my parents( ages 86 and 89 ) use a FreeBSD 4.9 Laptop. I say this to counter the notion that FreeBSD is inherently hard to use or a poor desktop platform. -----Original Message----- From: Sigmascape1@cs.com [mailto:Sigmascape1@cs.com] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:23 AM To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Goals Hi, I am not a huge poster to this mailing list, but I am interested in FreeBSD. Generally speaking, is one goal of FreeBSD and its community, to make FreeBSD as easy to use a mainstream Linux distro? I'm just curious. I see a lot of potential for FreeBSD on the server side of things, but Linux and its various distros are now making Linux easier to use on the front end of things (client side) as well as being solid in the server department. Having used SuSE 8 and 9, I can say Linux has now entered a new world of 'ease-of-use.' From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 18:52:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBC116A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:52:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tisys.org (thunderbridge.de [69.28.244.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E7343D1D for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:52:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: from wunder.tisys.org (dialin-pool2-215.wobline.de [62.176.227.215]) by tisys.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6FIqrx07201; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:52:53 -0700 Received: from wunder.tisys.org (wunder.tisys.org [192.168.0.1]) by wunder.tisys.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6FIqhhr001074; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:52:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) From: Nils Holland Organization: Ti Systems To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:52:22 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <4C88DC099E9AF945A6DA4D6FFA1865D17D742C@cdsx06.cder.fda.gov> In-Reply-To: <4C88DC099E9AF945A6DA4D6FFA1865D17D742C@cdsx06.cder.fda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200407152052.22655.nils@tisys.org> cc: "Drews, Jonathan*" Subject: Re: FreeBSD Goals X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:52:57 -0000 On Thursday 15 July 2004 19:09, Drews, Jonathan* wrote: > 1) A robust way to make PPP connections through userland-ppp. I think > FreeBSD's userland-ppp is better than what exists in Linux. I have used > userland ppp with serial, USB and PCMCIA modems. In all three cases it > worked very well. Well, although this might be a slight bit off-topic to the OP's question, l= et=20 me add that FreeBSD's user-ppp is one of the neatest things I've ever seen.= =20 I remember years back in some 6.x release of SuSE Linux when I was trying t= o=20 get my ppp connection working. If I remember correctly SuSE used wvdial bac= k=20 then, and I sat for hours in front of my box getting it do do dial-on-deman= d=20 as well as NAT the way I wanted it to. After some time I gave up on this=20 wvdial thing and turned to pppd directly, trying to get the stuff done "the= =20 old way". Something similiar happened when I tried to get a PPP connection= =20 working in SuSE Linux 8.0 - it just didn't want to work the way *I* wanted = it=20 to. Now, when first gave FreeBSD a spin in 2000 (actually, I installed my first= =20 =46reeBSD on January 1st 2000 - really ;-)), I was highly amazed that after= my=20 first attempt to customize /etc/ppp/ppp.conf to suit my needs, a ppp -nat=20 =2Dauto worked right away just the way I wanted. No problems= at=20 all. Why am I telling that? Well, before I came to FreeBSD, I assumed that stuff= =20 would be way more complicated there than it is on Linux. However, four and = a=20 half years later I absolutely cannot say that this is the case. I was=20 positively impressed how well and easy everything actually works. Additionally, I really wouldn't want to miss the occasional cvsupping, make= =20 {build,install}world and portupgrade procedure. I've never been able to=20 figure out a sane way to keep a SuSE system (for example) up-to-date withou= t=20 having stuff totally messed up after a year or so. With FreeBSD ... well,=20 keeping it up-to-date is another thing that works really great. I guess the= =20 version I'm running on this machine here was installed more than two years= =20 back and I've recently brought it to 4-STABLE (after the 4.10 release) and= =20 updated my KDE to 3.2.3 without much aford and trouble... =46rom the software side, I think it doesn't take long until one really=20 appreciates the "FreeBSD way" of doing things. The only thing that in my=20 opinion might be a strong point for Linux is hardware compatibility. After= =20 all, we must admit that Linux happens to support some stuff that FreeBSD=20 currently doesn't. This, however, is more of a point when you have to insta= ll=20 it on existing machines. If you know up front that you'll want to use=20 =46reeBSD, you will of course base your hardware buying decisions on that f= act.=20 And then, there shouldn't really be any problems... Just my $ .02. ;-) Greetings, Nils =2D-=20 eMail: nils@tisys.org Mobile / SMS: ++49-176-26179892 or ++49-176-26152833 Website: http://www.tisys.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 19:00:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F8E16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:00:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts10.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DD343D1F for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:00:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from [192.168.2.87] ([64.230.28.87]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20040715190017.TIOC6357.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.2.87]>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:00:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dru X-X-Sender: dlavigne6@dru.domain.org To: Nils Holland In-Reply-To: <200407152052.22655.nils@tisys.org> Message-ID: <20040715150128.H545@dru.domain.org> References: <4C88DC099E9AF945A6DA4D6FFA1865D17D742C@cdsx06.cder.fda.gov> <200407152052.22655.nils@tisys.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: "Drews, Jonathan*" Subject: Re: FreeBSD Goals X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:00:19 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Nils Holland wrote: > On Thursday 15 July 2004 19:09, Drews, Jonathan* wrote: > >> 1) A robust way to make PPP connections through userland-ppp. I think >> FreeBSD's userland-ppp is better than what exists in Linux. I have used >> userland ppp with serial, USB and PCMCIA modems. In all three cases it >> worked very well. > > Well, although this might be a slight bit off-topic to the OP's question, let > me add that FreeBSD's user-ppp is one of the neatest things I've ever seen. > > I remember years back in some 6.x release of SuSE Linux when I was trying to > get my ppp connection working. If I remember correctly SuSE used wvdial back > then, and I sat for hours in front of my box getting it do do dial-on-demand > as well as NAT the way I wanted it to. After some time I gave up on this > wvdial thing and turned to pppd directly, trying to get the stuff done "the > old way". Something similiar happened when I tried to get a PPP connection > working in SuSE Linux 8.0 - it just didn't want to work the way *I* wanted it > to. > > Now, when first gave FreeBSD a spin in 2000 (actually, I installed my first > FreeBSD on January 1st 2000 - really ;-)), I was highly amazed that after my > first attempt to customize /etc/ppp/ppp.conf to suit my needs, a ppp -nat > -auto worked right away just the way I wanted. No problems at > all. > > Why am I telling that? Well, before I came to FreeBSD, I assumed that stuff > would be way more complicated there than it is on Linux. However, four and a > half years later I absolutely cannot say that this is the case. I was > positively impressed how well and easy everything actually works. > > Additionally, I really wouldn't want to miss the occasional cvsupping, make > {build,install}world and portupgrade procedure. I've never been able to > figure out a sane way to keep a SuSE system (for example) up-to-date without > having stuff totally messed up after a year or so. With FreeBSD ... well, > keeping it up-to-date is another thing that works really great. I guess the > version I'm running on this machine here was installed more than two years > back and I've recently brought it to 4-STABLE (after the 4.10 release) and > updated my KDE to 3.2.3 without much aford and trouble... > >> From the software side, I think it doesn't take long until one really > appreciates the "FreeBSD way" of doing things. The only thing that in my > opinion might be a strong point for Linux is hardware compatibility. After > all, we must admit that Linux happens to support some stuff that FreeBSD > currently doesn't. This, however, is more of a point when you have to install > it on existing machines. If you know up front that you'll want to use > FreeBSD, you will of course base your hardware buying decisions on that fact. > And then, there shouldn't really be any problems... > > Just my $ .02. ;-) > > Greetings, > Nils Gee, that sounds an awful lot like a "BSD Success Story" to me... If you're interested in writing it up and sending it to me along with a bio I'll make sure it's included in the pamphlet when it goes to the printers. Dru From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 19:11:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FF316A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:11:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5CB43D48 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:11:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net (unverified [24.119.122.85]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.9b) with ESMTP id 27494147 for multiple; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:57:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:11:51 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: Vulpes Velox Message-Id: <20040715141151.1efe7450@vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <20040715115702.7ec43057@vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net> References: <395AE78F.6ED0EF04.3F8EDD3A@cs.com> <20040715115702.7ec43057@vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Goals X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:11:51 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:57:02 -0500 Vulpes Velox wrote: > > Any thoughts? > > MMC clone. Hmm... should have said what that was... mmc = microsoft management console... really cool... I would love to see something like that for on FreeBSD... and no webmin does not count... a cute toy, but lacks much of any thing useful... What is needed is something easily scriptable, similar to shell scripting, used for plugins and a nice front end for those for both X and cli. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 19:15:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885AE16A4CF for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:15:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tisys.org (thunderbridge.de [69.28.244.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011B743D60 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:15:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: from wunder.tisys.org (dialin-pool2-215.wobline.de [62.176.227.215]) by tisys.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6FJFDx01248; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:15:13 -0700 Received: from wunder.tisys.org (wunder.tisys.org [192.168.0.1]) by wunder.tisys.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6FJF2Yu001119; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:15:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) From: Nils Holland Organization: Ti Systems To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:14:55 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <4C88DC099E9AF945A6DA4D6FFA1865D17D742C@cdsx06.cder.fda.gov> <200407152052.22655.nils@tisys.org> <20040715150128.H545@dru.domain.org> In-Reply-To: <20040715150128.H545@dru.domain.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407152114.55383.nils@tisys.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Goals X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:15:21 -0000 On Thursday 15 July 2004 21:02, Dru wrote: > Gee, that sounds an awful lot like a "BSD Success Story" to me... If > you're interested in writing it up and sending it to me along with a bio > I'll make sure it's included in the pamphlet when it goes to the printers. > > Dru There's actually going to be something like a "BSD Advocacy pamphlet"? Well, no problem then, I can write an "improved"(tm) version of my story and send it along to you - if it's useful for BSD advocacy purposes, I certainly have nothing against that! ;-) Greetings, Nils -- eMail: nils@tisys.org Mobile / SMS: ++49-176-26179892 or ++49-176-26152833 Website: http://www.tisys.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 19:26:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E36F16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:26:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53D843D4C for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:26:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from [192.168.2.87] ([64.230.28.87]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20040715192615.CNYC26030.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.2.87]>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:26:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dru X-X-Sender: dlavigne6@dru.domain.org To: Nils Holland In-Reply-To: <200407152114.55383.nils@tisys.org> Message-ID: <20040715152401.R545@dru.domain.org> References: <4C88DC099E9AF945A6DA4D6FFA1865D17D742C@cdsx06.cder.fda.gov> <200407152052.22655.nils@tisys.org> <20040715150128.H545@dru.domain.org> <200407152114.55383.nils@tisys.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Goals X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:26:19 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Nils Holland wrote: > On Thursday 15 July 2004 21:02, Dru wrote: > >> Gee, that sounds an awful lot like a "BSD Success Story" to me... If >> you're interested in writing it up and sending it to me along with a bio >> I'll make sure it's included in the pamphlet when it goes to the printers. >> >> Dru > > There's actually going to be something like a "BSD Advocacy pamphlet"? Well, > no problem then, I can write an "improved"(tm) version of my story and send > it along to you - if it's useful for BSD advocacy purposes, I certainly have > nothing against that! ;-) Thanks, Nils. Just a reminder for those that missed the original post back around May. BSD Success Stories will be available for distribution at trade shows, installathons, BUGs, etc. I'm still accepting stories from 500-1500 words (in plain ASCII please) showing how BSD (any flavour) filled the gap, saved money, etc. Once the pamphlet has been printed, I'll post here, at O'Reilly and on daemonnews so people know how to get copies for their event. The stories themselves will also be available on-line and I'll post the URL once they're all up. Dru From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 22:28:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9406916A4D2 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:28:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5FA43D1F for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:28:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (pD950EFFA.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.239.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6FMUfhB001199; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:30:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6FMT0Na003673; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:29:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6FMSs57007469; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:29:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200407152229.i6FMSs57007469@fire.jhs.private> To: Dru From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/~jhs/ Munich Unix, BSD, Internet User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:28:41 EDT." <20040715152401.R545@dru.domain.org> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:28:54 +0200 Sender: jhs@flat.berklix.net cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Goals X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:28:49 -0000 > Once the pamphlet has been printed, I'll post here, at O'Reilly and on > daemonnews so people know how to get copies for their event. The stories > themselves will also be available on-line and I'll post the URL once > they're all up. I just checked 2 words in my Penguin (no relation to Linux!) dictionary, (as I'm picking up late on the thread, & want to understand correctly) `pamphlet' Small unbound printed publication with a paper cover often dealing with topical matters. `leaflet' A single sheet of paper or small loose leaf pamplet containing printed matter (eg advertising). The pamphlet will be nice & useful where people can plan ahead to allow for postage delay from O'Reilly to wherever on Earth, eg Alice Springs or Reykjavik, etc :-) Event planning slippage probably being common place, printer ready downloadable leaflet also have attractions, avoiding all printing & shipping costs & delays too if you have a friendly local printer owner. Once you pamphlet URL is available, I could point to it from the single sheet leaflet, double sided downloadable leaflet: "What BSD Is" http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/ - Julian Stacey. Unix C & Net Services Consultant, Munich. http://berklix.com Mail Ascii plain text. Html dumped as Spam. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Nimm Schnupftabak !