From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 19:40:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9104716A4CF for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:40:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523F943D5D for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:40:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iASJeRuw046174 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:40:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iASJeRtx046173; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:40:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:40:27 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200411281940.iASJeRtx046173@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, "Ion-Mihai " IOnut " Tetcu" Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C10716A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:39:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C0843D41 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:39:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 30999 invoked by uid 89); 28 Nov 2004 19:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 19:43:20 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639F411846 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:39:46 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <1101670786.0@it.buh.tecnik93.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:39:46 +0200 From: "Ion-Mihai " IOnut " Tetcu" To: "FreeBSD gnats submit" X-Send-Pr-Version: gtk-send-pr 0.4 Subject: advocacy/74485: [MAINTAINER-UPDATE] mail/dspam to 20041127.2300 snapshot. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:40:27 -0000 >Number: 74485 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: [MAINTAINER-UPDATE] mail/dspam to 20041127.2300 snapshot. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: maintainer-update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 28 19:40:26 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ion-Mihai "IOnut" Tetcu >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: Tecnik'93 >Environment: System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #11: Thu Nov 18 16:11:29 EET 2004 >Description: Update mail/dspam to 20041127.2300 snapshot. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- dspam.3.2.2_20041117.1515_to_20041127.2300.diff begins here --- diff -urN dspam.cvs/Makefile dspam/Makefile --- dspam.cvs/Makefile Sun Nov 28 11:01:55 2004 +++ dspam/Makefile Sun Nov 28 21:27:05 2004 @@ -9,14 +9,14 @@ PORTVERSION= 3.2.2${SNAP_DATE} CATEGORIES= mail MASTER_SITES= http://people.tecnik93.com/~itetcu/FreeBSD/ports/dspam/sources/ -DISTFILES= dspam.3.2.2.cvs.stable.20041117.1515.tar.gz +DISTFILES= dspam.3.2.2.cvs.stable${SNAP_DATE}.tar.gz MAINTAINER= itetcu@people.tecnik93.com COMMENT= Bayesian spam filter - development version WRKSRC= ${WRKDIR}/dspam-cvs-stable${SNAP_DATE} -SNAP_DATE= .20041117.1515 +SNAP_DATE= .20041127.2300 ## debug / log / admin options OPTIONS= DEBUG "Enable debugging logging" on diff -urN dspam/distinfo dspam.my/distinfo --- dspam.cvs/distinfo Sun Nov 28 11:01:55 2004 +++ dspam/distinfo Sun Nov 28 21:29:58 2004 @@ -1,2 +1,2 @@ -MD5 (dspam.3.2.2.cvs.stable.20041117.1515.tar.gz) = 6185bbe2a7cfd069fc9107d7b4ea8534 -SIZE (dspam.3.2.2.cvs.stable.20041117.1515.tar.gz) = 620212 +MD5 (dspam.3.2.2.cvs.stable.20041127.2300.tar.gz) = 44f6f630bd78df122e39db1f307c7f64 +SIZE (dspam.3.2.2.cvs.stable.20041127.2300.tar.gz) = 620393 --- dspam.3.2.2_20041117.1515_to_20041127.2300.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 19:43:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B730916A4CE; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:43:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA2043D46; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:43:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iASJh5ub046346; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:43:05 GMT (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iASJh5hl046342; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:43:05 GMT (envelope-from ceri) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:43:05 GMT From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200411281943.iASJh5hl046342@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports-bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ports/74485: [MAINTAINER-UPDATE] mail/dspam to 20041127.2300 snapshot. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:43:05 -0000 Synopsis: [MAINTAINER-UPDATE] mail/dspam to 20041127.2300 snapshot. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-advocacy->freebsd-ports-bugs Responsible-Changed-By: ceri Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Nov 28 19:42:14 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: Reassign misfiled PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=74485 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 20:00:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F88F16A4D7 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:00:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C4D43D41 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:00:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 32660 invoked by uid 89); 28 Nov 2004 20:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Nov 2004 20:03:57 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F40D211846; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:00:12 +0200 (EET) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:00:11 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Ceri Davies Message-ID: <20041128220011.72d6088c@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <200411281943.iASJh5hl046342@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200411281943.iASJh5hl046342@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org cc: ceri@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-ports-bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ports/74485: [MAINTAINER-UPDATE] mail/dspam to 20041127.2300 snapshot. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:00:41 -0000 On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:43:05 GMT Ceri Davies wrote: [ .. ] > Responsible-Changed-Why: > Reassign misfiled PR. Sorry and thanks Ceri. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 02:43:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D6516A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:43:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A6BB43D5A for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:43:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Mike.Jeays@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.100?) (mjeays2551@24.114.152.139 with plain) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 02:43:44 -0000 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1101696223.1100.77.camel@chaucer> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 28 Nov 2004 21:43:44 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SATA disk experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:43:46 -0000 I have just borrowed a brand new Pentium 4 3.6 GHz machine from the office, intending to use it as an open source demonstration machine. To my surprise, it has no IDE disk, only a SATA drive, which I have not used before personally. Fedora Core 1 and Suse Enterprise Server completely failed to install, complaining about "no disk drive". FreeBSD 5.3 installed perfectly, and runs like the wind! Hats off again to the FreeBSD team. ___________________________________________ Woo Hoo! And I second that; FBSD's a great thing, even if the mascot looks evil sometimes... Wonder if you should have cross-posted this to advocacy@? Not too late to forward it, if you want to .... Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. Thanks for the suggestion, Kevin - here it is. And I like the mascot, although I don't think I would dare wear my FreeBSD T-shirt in the red states! From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 14:21:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6ED816A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:21:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC7443D3F for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:21:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Sigmascape1@cs.com) Received: from Sigmascape1@cs.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id n.90.51d75e2f (16097) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.com (mow-d16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.132]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee141ab305c2c2; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:21:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:21:16 -0500 From: Sigmascape1@cs.com To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <25F0D104.18CA009E.3F8EDD3A@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 65.82.194.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: RE: SATA disk experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:21:22 -0000 This is very cool. I have yet to do anything with this sort of hardware setup, so this is good to know. MLF www.sigmascape.com > >     > >I have just borrowed a brand new Pentium 4 3.6 GHz machine from the >office, intending to use it as an open source demonstration machine. > >To my surprise, it has no IDE disk, only a SATA drive, which I have not >used before personally. > >Fedora Core 1 and Suse Enterprise Server completely failed to install, >complaining about "no disk drive". > >FreeBSD 5.3 installed perfectly, and runs like the wind!  Hats off again >to the FreeBSD team. > >___________________________________________   > > >Woo Hoo!  And I second that; FBSD's a great thing, even if >the mascot looks evil sometimes... > >Wonder if you should have cross-posted this to advocacy@? >Not too late to forward it, if you want to .... > >Kevin Kinsey >DaleCo, S.P. > >Thanks for the suggestion, Kevin - here it is.  And I like the mascot, >although I don't think I would dare wear my FreeBSD T-shirt in the red >states!     > > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > >End of freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 81, Issue 1 >*********************************************** > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 18:26:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F0816A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:26:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D62443D5D for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:26:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch01.acuson.com ([157.226.230.208]:1343) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CYqET-0004PY-4x; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:26:41 -0800 Received: by mvaexch01.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:20:48 -0800 Message-ID: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB346176419B3@mvaexch01.acuson.com> From: Johnson David To: 'Mike Jeays' , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:19:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: RE: SPAM: Score 4.0: SATA disk experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:26:43 -0000 > From: Mike Jeays [mailto:Mike.Jeays@rogers.com] > > I have just borrowed a brand new Pentium 4 3.6 GHz machine from the > office, intending to use it as an open source demonstration machine. > > To my surprise, it has no IDE disk, only a SATA drive, which > I have not used before personally. > > Fedora Core 1 and Suse Enterprise Server completely failed to install, > complaining about "no disk drive". > > FreeBSD 5.3 installed perfectly, and runs like the wind! > Hats off again to the FreeBSD team. Ditto on the experience. My SATA system is over a year old and FreeBSD worked without a hitch on it since day one. My original plan was to put Linux on a partition as a tertiary boot, but I soon gave up as I never could find one that would install. When I googled for information on installing Linux to SATA, most of the hints and instructions said to build a SATA driver. But how do you build a driver before you install? Later someone told me to turn on legacy mode in the BIOS, install, build the driver, and finally turn off legacy, but that's twenty times the work necessary. Why go through that hassle when FreeBSD works "out of the box"? David From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 21:10:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2654316A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:10:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D1A43D69 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:10:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iATLARwH004321 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:10:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iATLARBO004320; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:10:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:10:27 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200411292110.iATLARBO004320@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, "Michael Johnson" Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D42B16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:06:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18E443D6A for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:06:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ahze@FreeBSD.org) Received: from blueheron.ahze.net ([68.209.163.3]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.netESMTP <20041129210604.KBGN2049.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@blueheron.ahze.net> for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:06:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1101762364.0@blueheron.ahze.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:06:04 -0500 From: "Michael Johnson" To: "FreeBSD gnats submit" X-Send-Pr-Version: gtk-send-pr 0.4.1 Subject: advocacy/74536: [PATCH] bsd.port.mk -- Move .if defined(GNU_CONFIGURE) below .include .. bsd.autotools.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:10:29 -0000 >Number: 74536 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: [PATCH] bsd.port.mk -- Move .if defined(GNU_CONFIGURE) below .include .. bsd.autotools.mk >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Nov 29 21:10:26 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Michael Johnson >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #70: Thu Nov 11 16:03:02 EST 2004 ahze@blueheron.ahze.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GreatBlueHeron >Description: This patch moves .if defined(GNU_CONFIGURE) below .include "${PORTSDIR}/Mk/bsd.autotools.mk" so it will work with USE/WITH_LIBTOOL_ since GNU_CONFIGURE is defined in bsd.autotools.mk >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- bsd.port.mk.patch begins here --- Index: bsd.port.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /home/pcvs/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk,v retrieving revision 1.500 diff -u -r1.500 bsd.port.mk --- bsd.port.mk 19 Nov 2004 13:45:07 -0000 1.500 +++ bsd.port.mk 29 Nov 2004 01:24:03 -0000 @@ -1597,14 +1597,6 @@ .endif # Check for correct libs .endif # USE_MYSQL -.if defined(USE_XLIB) -LIB_DEPENDS+= X11.6:${X_LIBRARIES_PORT} -# Add explicit X options to avoid problems with false positives in configure -.if defined(GNU_CONFIGURE) -CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--x-libraries=${X11BASE}/lib --x-includes=${X11BASE}/include -.endif -.endif - # XXX: (not yet): .if defined(USE_AUTOTOOLS) .include "${PORTSDIR}/Mk/bsd.autotools.mk" # XXX: (not yet): .endif @@ -1626,6 +1618,14 @@ USE_SUBMAKE= yes .endif +.if defined(USE_XLIB) +LIB_DEPENDS+= X11.6:${X_LIBRARIES_PORT} +# Add explicit X options to avoid problems with false positives in configure +.if defined(GNU_CONFIGURE) +CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--x-libraries=${X11BASE}/lib --x-includes=${X11BASE}/include +.endif +.endif + # Set the default for the installation of Postscript(TM)- # compatible functionality. .if !defined(WITHOUT_X11) --- bsd.port.mk.patch ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 21:15:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D2F16A53A; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:15:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20A843D5E; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:15:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ade@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ade@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iATLFOvq007877; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:15:24 GMT (envelope-from ade@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ade@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iATLFOU8007873; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:15:24 GMT (envelope-from ade) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:15:24 GMT From: Ade Lovett Message-Id: <200411292115.iATLFOU8007873@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ade@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ports/74536: [PATCH] bsd.port.mk -- Move .if defined(GNU_CONFIGURE) below .include .. bsd.autotools.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:15:35 -0000 Synopsis: [PATCH] bsd.port.mk -- Move .if defined(GNU_CONFIGURE) below .include .. bsd.autotools.mk Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-advocacy->freebsd-ports Responsible-Changed-By: ade Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Nov 29 21:14:52 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: Reassign PR to the right place. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=74536 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 06:23:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC9B16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:23:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0FA43D66 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:23:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from taosecurity@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so493870rnf for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:23:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=g+7hAO0iKNt4FH37buSg7vV/DPHuqQ+3RIzUoTf2LAp7GEknUTA4d6qA0PdUfThqAyWJMexZlQR2nwONDjcBdvC3J60pIBiCoMmtAp6nSCkL/MA3QT8mDAqxRvlXvAiU6c+fi09KZPr9421sBUgOgiJ4gUNFqkNRphKSEj8bFaQ= Received: by 10.38.150.8 with SMTP id x8mr253535rnd; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.75.66 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:36:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <120ef05304112919365b160d4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:36:42 -0500 From: Richard Bejtlich To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PHK's Why Bother? and Project Goals X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Richard Bejtlich List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:23:39 -0000 Hello, PHK's "Why Bother?" article at DaemonNews.org [0] inspired me to write a 7-point response at my blog [1]. I also thought about the official FreeBSD project goals as described in the Handbook [2], and blogged a post on that too, with comparisons to OpenBSD and NetBSD. [3] I would be interested in hearing anyone's thoughts on these issues as replies to this post. Thank you to PHK for prompting these articles. Sincerely, Richard Bejtlich http://www.taosecurity.com [0] http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200410/dadvocate.html [1] http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2004_11_01_taosecurity_archive.html#110177872089491520 [2] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/history.html [3] http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2004_11_01_taosecurity_archive.html#110178501146327093 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 10:20:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3040C16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:20:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD7E43D5F for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:20:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1AKQQc038444 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:20:26 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB1AKQSO038443; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:20:26 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:20:26 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200412011020.iB1AKQSO038443@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, "Filippo Natali" Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD3316A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:10:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from w1001.widhost.net (w1001.widhost.net [209.235.192.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340FA43D31 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:10:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from filippo@widestore.net) Received: from mx0.hq.widestore.net (mx0.hq.widestore.net [212.97.46.42]) by w1001.widhost.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707EB21E31 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from cagnina.hq.widestore.net (cagnina.hq.widestore.net [192.168.1.1]) by mx0.hq.widestore.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDDA64 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:10:32 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <1101895832.0@cagnina.hq.widestore.net> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:10:32 +0100 From: "Filippo Natali" To: "FreeBSD gnats submit" X-Send-Pr-Version: gtk-send-pr 0.4.1 Subject: advocacy/74578: [MAINTAINER UPDATE] net/whois to 4.6.24 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:20:27 -0000 >Number: 74578 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: [MAINTAINER UPDATE] net/whois to 4.6.24 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: maintainer-update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Dec 01 10:20:26 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Filippo Natali >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: Widestore srl >Environment: System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #0: Thu Nov 18 16:24:25 CET 2004 filippo@cagnina.hq.widestore.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CAGNINA >Description: Update net/whois to 4.6.24 >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- whois-20041130.diff begins here --- diff -Nru /usr/ports/net/whois/Makefile whois/Makefile --- /usr/ports/net/whois/Makefile Fri Oct 22 18:02:30 2004 +++ whois/Makefile Tue Nov 30 15:21:02 2004 @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ # PORTNAME= whois -PORTVERSION= 4.6.23 +PORTVERSION= 4.6.24 CATEGORIES= net MASTER_SITES= ${MASTER_SITE_DEBIAN_POOL} DISTNAME= ${PORTNAME}_${PORTVERSION} diff -Nru /usr/ports/net/whois/distinfo whois/distinfo --- /usr/ports/net/whois/distinfo Fri Oct 22 18:02:30 2004 +++ whois/distinfo Tue Nov 30 15:21:05 2004 @@ -1,2 +1,2 @@ -MD5 (whois_4.6.23.tar.gz) = 4bc36d4263c735fa9db19d9d2e2c8498 -SIZE (whois_4.6.23.tar.gz) = 51710 +MD5 (whois_4.6.24.tar.gz) = 145811dc3cfebf90ebf5cf0a1bfa883a +SIZE (whois_4.6.24.tar.gz) = 51816 --- whois-20041130.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 10:28:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF3816A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:28:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from w1001.widhost.net (w1001.widhost.net [209.235.192.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CB343D4C; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:28:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from filippo.natali@widestore.net) Received: from mx0.hq.widestore.net (mx0.hq.widestore.net [212.97.46.42]) by w1001.widhost.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9110B21150; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (cagnina.hq.widestore.net [192.168.1.1]) by mx0.hq.widestore.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103655F; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:28:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41AD9CBE.9030808@widestore.net> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:28:14 +0100 From: Filippo Natali Organization: Widestore.Net User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041130) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org References: <200412011020.iB1AKQKm038434@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200412011020.iB1AKQKm038434@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Filippo Natali Subject: Re: advocacy/74578: [MAINTAINER UPDATE] net/whois to 4.6.24 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:28:49 -0000 on 01.12.2004 11:20 FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Thank you very much for your problem report. > It has the internal identification `advocacy/74578'. > The individual assigned to look at your > report is: freebsd-advocacy. > > You can access the state of your problem report at any time > via this link: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=74578 > > >>Category: advocacy >>Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >>Synopsis: [MAINTAINER UPDATE] net/whois to 4.6.24 >>Arrival-Date: Wed Dec 01 10:20:26 GMT 2004 > > shame on me, I forgot to change the default category in gtk-send-pr to "ports" regards, Filippo From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 10:30:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B239B16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:30:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8AE43D39 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:30:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1AUZet038828 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:30:35 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB1AUZCt038826; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:30:35 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:30:35 GMT Message-Id: <200412011030.iB1AUZCt038826@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org From: Filippo Natali Subject: Re: advocacy/74578: [MAINTAINER UPDATE] net/whois to 4.6.24 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Filippo Natali List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:30:35 -0000 The following reply was made to PR advocacy/74578; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Filippo Natali To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Cc: Filippo Natali Subject: Re: advocacy/74578: [MAINTAINER UPDATE] net/whois to 4.6.24 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:28:14 +0100 on 01.12.2004 11:20 FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Thank you very much for your problem report. > It has the internal identification `advocacy/74578'. > The individual assigned to look at your > report is: freebsd-advocacy. > > You can access the state of your problem report at any time > via this link: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=74578 > > >>Category: advocacy >>Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >>Synopsis: [MAINTAINER UPDATE] net/whois to 4.6.24 >>Arrival-Date: Wed Dec 01 10:20:26 GMT 2004 > > shame on me, I forgot to change the default category in gtk-send-pr to "ports" regards, Filippo From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 10:49:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C04216A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:49:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2837743D3F; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:49:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josef@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (josef@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1An99p040431; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:49:09 GMT (envelope-from josef@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from josef@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB1An9MN040427; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:49:09 GMT (envelope-from josef) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:49:09 GMT From: Josef El-Rayes Message-Id: <200412011049.iB1An9MN040427@freefall.freebsd.org> To: josef@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ports/74578: [MAINTAINER UPDATE] net/whois to 4.6.24 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:49:09 -0000 Synopsis: [MAINTAINER UPDATE] net/whois to 4.6.24 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-advocacy->freebsd-ports Responsible-Changed-By: josef Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Dec 1 10:48:21 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: Correct wrong category/responsible fields. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=74578 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 16:28:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0095016A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:28:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E51343D68; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:28:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:31:10 -0600 Message-ID: <41AF42CA.9000001@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:28:58 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041023 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cezar Fistik References: <000901c4d83f$b6cffdc0$6401a8c0@dylan> <01c701c4d887$7a25f8f0$33a11ad9@office.arax.md> In-Reply-To: <01c701c4d887$7a25f8f0$33a11ad9@office.arax.md> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2004 16:31:11.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[553A1F30:01C4D88C] cc: advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: dvnicolini@comcast.net cc: phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open-Source project X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:28:44 -0000 [Please forgive the cross-posting to advocacy, and the possibility that this is no longer questions material, and any personal affronts :-) ] From: "Dylan Nicolini" Dear Sir: I am very eager to contribute to the FreeBSD project. Currently, I am a Junior in college, majoring in Computer Science. I believe in the theory of open source very strongly, and I would love the oppurtunity to contribute to this project. If there are any suggestions on where to start I am very open to anything. Dylan Nicolini Cezar Fistik wrote: >Hi Dylan, > >I believe this kind of questions has been answered here thousands of times. >Anyway, open source is a term with a very broad meaning, but if you are >interested to contribute to FreeBSD, this could be a good starting point. > >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/index.html > >Regards, >Cezar > > Hi, Cezar, Dylan: The "contributing" article on the site is great. I just had to add the following, though (I hope it's under the BSD copyright ;-) Scott Long (of the R.E. team) posted a message to hackers@ yesterday entitled "My project wish-list for the next 12 months". Lots of technical stuff, but enlightening, rather bold; good stuff. I was especially impressed, however, by Poul-Henning Kamp's response, and as it was directed at "non techies", under the copyright ideals of the BSD license, I'd like to repost it here ... [keep in mind this is from PHK, a FreeBSD Developer, and not me. I loved it, though]: PHK> I agree on all of the above but I think we also PHK> need to have things on the list that doesn't take super PHK> hackers, and architectural reviews. So let us add the PHK> following points which I think are just as, if not more PHK> important for FreeBSDs future: PHK> 7. More people writing FreeBSD related articles for PHK> online and traditional media. If you have never written PHK> a piece about FreeBSD, how about sending something PHK> to your local IT trade rag ? Heck, even your local paper PHK> will probably run it if you send them a piece. PHK> 8. More people stomping for FreeBSD in universities and PHK> schools. Have you actually offered the science/IT teachers PHK> at the local hi-school to pop around and give a lesson on PHK> this open source phenomena to their pupils ? Or call your PHK> local college and ask if they need a teaching assistant for PHK> their evening courses in IT ? PHK> 9. A band of happy 1st line reponders dealing with PRs etc. PHK> We're getting better at this, but one way to really gain users PHK> is to help them when they need it most: right when they begin. PHK> 10. A more dynamic and interesting www.freebsd.org frontpage. PHK> Come on, at least we should be able to beat the "Congressional Record" PHK> when it comes to being interesting. PHK> 11. More people attending BSDcon conferences. Come to BSDcan2005! PHK> come to the next EuroBSDcon or AsiaBSDcon. Or make your own mini PHK> conference! Many Linux User groups would welcome you if you offered PHK> to give a talk about FreeBSD on one of their evenings. PHK> PHK> 12. Research/Coding grants (3/6/12 months) from the FreeBSD Foundation PHK> and other deep(er) pockets to help some of the heavy lifting happen. PHK> We're not only in it for the money, but money surely helps. PHK> And I'd like to stress that none of the above requires you to get permission PHK> from the core team, just go out and do it! Certainly, Dylan, #8 sounds right down your line; probably #9, #7 too. If I remember college correctly, I didn't have much cash, so #12 is out currently; but I think some of the conferences (#11) even have discounted rates for students ;-) Anyway, welcome to FreeBSD --- I'm sure you can find many ways to help --- and it sounds like all of them would be appreciated by many, and by many of those with whom it might count the most. Kevin Kinsey