From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 3 14:32:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB60D16A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay19-f32.bay19.hotmail.com [64.4.53.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40AC43D45 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:32:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from happygilmore99535@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:32:17 -0700 Received: from 12.40.193.139 by by19fd.bay19.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:32:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.40.193.139] X-Originating-Email: [happygilmore99535@hotmail.com] X-Sender: happygilmore99535@hotmail.com From: "Scott Sharon" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, yuko@mail.nbptt.zj.cn Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:32:17 -0700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2004 21:32:17.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E97D240:01C449B2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: About making my computer run FREE BSD as a router. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:32:20 -0000 Hello, I am fairly new to Unix based operating systems. Still studying basic commands andunderstanding the "inner workings" of Unix based OS's. I am trying to make 1 of my computers into a router. I do not want to spend over 200.00 for a copy of 2k or 2k3 server from Microsft. Also want a more stabe and secure OS in charge of my security (I.E. Firewall, routing my DSL signal to 2 other computers, anti virus for my small network.) Just wondering, what would be the best Free BSD for my needs? Many Thanks, and continue the great work!!! Scott Sharon _________________________________________________________________ [1]FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2734??PS=47575 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 3 17:02:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C9516A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A99B43D1D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:02:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:03:42 -0500 Message-ID: <40BFBC11.8040600@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:02:25 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040406 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Sharon References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2004 00:03:43.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[66460180:01C449C7] cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: yuko@mail.nbptt.zj.cn Subject: Re: About making my computer run FREE BSD as a router. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:02:39 -0000 Scott Sharon wrote: > Hello, > I am fairly new to Unix based operating systems. > > That's OK. In the early 1970's, almost everyone in the world was new to UNIX. Now, a *few* people are good, maybe even real good, but perhaps the world at large is still "fairly new" to it. But then, a lot of the world doesn't even have a computer yet, eh? > Still studying basic commands andunderstanding the "inner workings" of > Unix based OS's. > I am trying to make 1 of my computers into a router. > > Not too hard. > I do not want to spend over 200.00 for a copy of 2k or 2k3 server from > Microsft. > > I hear ya. > Also want a more stabe and secure OS in charge of my security (I.E. > Firewall, routing my DSL signal to 2 other computers, anti virus for > my small network.) > Just wondering, what would be the best Free BSD for my needs? > > > There is only one "FreeBSD". There are other *BSD operating systems: NetBSD and OpenBSD are "all in the family". DragonflyBSD is a very recent (split?/variant?) of FreeBSD. AFAIK, all use the BSD license, which makes them quite free, (as in "free beer"). Since you've posted to FreeBSD's "chat" list. I guess the answer would have to be: "FreeBSD is your best choice." ;-) The handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook), Google, and the mailing lists (together with their archives, *very important*), are about all you should need. Good luck! > Many Thanks, and continue the great work!!! > Scott Sharon > > Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 3 19:53:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8E216A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1FA43D4C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from flowers@users.sourceforge.net) Received: from pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr2so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.109])2003)) with ESMTP id <0HYR00EF1JK4BD@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:43:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml1so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.145]) by pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HYR00AMZJK421S0@pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:43:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sirius (S0106004001438e5b.cg.shawcable.net [68.144.47.89]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with SMTP id <0HYR00665JK47X@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:43:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:43:15 -0600 From: Dan MacMillan In-reply-to: To: Scott Sharon , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, yuko@mail.nbptt.zj.cn Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: RE: About making my computer run FREE BSD as a router. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:53:42 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Sharon Hello, I am fairly new to Unix based operating systems. Still studying basic commands andunderstanding the "inner workings" of Unix based OS's. I am trying to make 1 of my computers into a router. I do not want to spend over 200.00 for a copy of 2k or 2k3 server from Microsft. Also want a more stabe and secure OS in charge of my security (I.E. Firewall, routing my DSL signal to 2 other computers, anti virus for my small network.) Just wondering, what would be the best Free BSD for my needs? Many Thanks, and continue the great work!!! Scott Sharon --------- Hi. If all you want to use the computer for is as a router, you might wish to consider OpenBSD. A common setup is to use OpenBSD on a router / firewall box and FreeBSD on the remaining servers, because OpenBSD is regarded by many as being the most secure Unix-like operating system. FreeBSD is also quite capable in the router / firewall role. If you're new to BSD systems, and / or if you want to do much more with the box than routing traffic, I would recommend FreeBSD. In my opinion, FreeBSD has an edge when it comes to hardware support, flexibility, and ease of use. The projects have quite different primary motivations, which can be illustrated by their one-line descriptions: OpenBSD: Free, functional, and secure. FreeBSD: The power to serve. Of course, NetBSD also deserves mention but since I've never used it I can't comment. It may behoove you to check out their web sites, then decide: http://www.freebsd.org http://www.openbsd.org -Dan From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 3 23:17:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CA616A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA41E43D2F for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:17:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (orb_rules@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i546HavG057468; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:17:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: (from stijn@localhost) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i546HZMj057467; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:17:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stijn) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:17:35 +0200 From: Stijn Hoop To: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav Message-ID: <20040604061735.GA52278@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> References: <20040601073740.GB5854@nevermind.kiev.ua> <200406011749.45666.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <6.1.0.6.1.20040601102920.02e2faa8@popserver.sfu.ca> <1086082979.3116.0.camel@gilad.lan> <20040601174746.GA21657@metron.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Bright-Idea: Let's abolish HTML mail! cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD on the GameCube? :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 06:17:38 -0000 --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 12:30:18AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > Lou Katz writes: > > But they do make 3" DVD blanks. >=20 > GameCube! Not until you hack the cube's "DVD" drive firmware to accept normal DVD discs... Either that, or obtain a burner that can burn the totally nonstandard and possibly encrypted GCN format :( --Stijn, who would LOVE to have *BSD/Linux on his purple cube [1] [1] yes I can run Linux on it using PSO1/2 but frankly, taking 2 minutes to boot, that sucks --=20 "I'm not under the alkafluence of inkahol that some thinkle peep I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get." --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAwBP/Y3r/tLQmfWcRArmQAKCuo4wdjSynbqRcCuunmvYVkYU2ywCfbtas n4xTrVPEYNTjOPmGpHJUgK8= =dRsQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 10:24:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D825116A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D5443D1D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:24:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.34; FreeBSD) id 1BWIQs-000HZm-C3; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:24:42 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:24:42 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Stijn Hoop Message-ID: <20040604172442.GP2116@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Stijn Hoop , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20040601073740.GB5854@nevermind.kiev.ua> <200406011749.45666.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <6.1.0.6.1.20040601102920.02e2faa8@popserver.sfu.ca> <1086082979.3116.0.camel@gilad.lan> <20040601174746.GA21657@metron.com> <20040604061735.GA52278@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0hHDr/TIsw4o3iPK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040604061735.GA52278@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on the GameCube? :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 17:24:49 -0000 --0hHDr/TIsw4o3iPK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:17:35AM +0200, Stijn Hoop wrote: > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 12:30:18AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > Lou Katz writes: > > > But they do make 3" DVD blanks. > >=20 > > GameCube! >=20 > Not until you hack the cube's "DVD" drive firmware to accept normal DVD > discs... Either that, or obtain a burner that can burn the totally > nonstandard and possibly encrypted GCN format :( I haven't really looked that hard, but I believe the disk spins the "wrong" way too. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --0hHDr/TIsw4o3iPK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAwLBaocfcwTS3JF8RAkruAJ9eCm2+JUV/L983rO/sOJX3O3JwcACfUqjU om8H+yFSJXrcyFHQdjnFuNY= =xxfw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0hHDr/TIsw4o3iPK-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 10:49:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F47316A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FED43D31 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.34; FreeBSD) id 1BWIoz-000HmP-RC; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:49:37 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:49:37 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Stijn Hoop , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040604174937.GS2116@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Stijn Hoop , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20040601073740.GB5854@nevermind.kiev.ua> <200406011749.45666.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <6.1.0.6.1.20040601102920.02e2faa8@popserver.sfu.ca> <1086082979.3116.0.camel@gilad.lan> <20040601174746.GA21657@metron.com> <20040604061735.GA52278@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <20040604172442.GP2116@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hABqaeELJqnDDeDE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040604172442.GP2116@submonkey.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: FreeBSD on the GameCube? :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 17:49:39 -0000 --hABqaeELJqnDDeDE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 06:24:42PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:17:35AM +0200, Stijn Hoop wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 12:30:18AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > > Lou Katz writes: > > > > But they do make 3" DVD blanks. > > >=20 > > > GameCube! > >=20 > > Not until you hack the cube's "DVD" drive firmware to accept normal DVD > > discs... Either that, or obtain a burner that can burn the totally > > nonstandard and possibly encrypted GCN format :( >=20 > I haven't really looked that hard, but I believe the disk spins the > "wrong" way too. Darren Pilgrim pointed out that this isn't true; popping the top on mine confirms that. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --hABqaeELJqnDDeDE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAwLYxocfcwTS3JF8RAu7xAJ9PoXRTO1hZpFTasYuA4HmPbfpu0gCfQLCj IvAeptY1424q6OhpWCoMXWs= =GlXs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hABqaeELJqnDDeDE-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 15:04:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323F516A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92D443D1F for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:04:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (orb_rules@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i54M3o07028404; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:03:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: (from stijn@localhost) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i54M3o6F028403; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:03:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stijn) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:03:50 +0200 From: Stijn Hoop To: Ceri Davies , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040604220350.GG24179@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> References: <20040601073740.GB5854@nevermind.kiev.ua> <200406011749.45666.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <6.1.0.6.1.20040601102920.02e2faa8@popserver.sfu.ca> <1086082979.3116.0.camel@gilad.lan> <20040601174746.GA21657@metron.com> <20040604061735.GA52278@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <20040604172442.GP2116@submonkey.net> <20040604174937.GS2116@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pZs/OQEoSSbxGlYw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040604174937.GS2116@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Bright-Idea: Let's abolish HTML mail! Subject: Re: FreeBSD on the GameCube? :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:04:25 -0000 --pZs/OQEoSSbxGlYw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 06:49:37PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 06:24:42PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:17:35AM +0200, Stijn Hoop wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 12:30:18AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > > > Lou Katz writes: > > > > > But they do make 3" DVD blanks. > > > >=20 > > > > GameCube! > > >=20 > > > Not until you hack the cube's "DVD" drive firmware to accept normal D= VD > > > discs... Either that, or obtain a burner that can burn the totally > > > nonstandard and possibly encrypted GCN format :( > >=20 > > I haven't really looked that hard, but I believe the disk spins the > > "wrong" way too. >=20 > Darren Pilgrim pointed out that this isn't true; popping the top on mine > confirms that. Indeed. Various threads at the Dextrose forums (http://www.dextrose.com/) confirm those findings. But what a coincidence, it's finally getting easy to get code on the cube: http://uk.codejunkies.com/shop/product.asp?l=3D1&r=3D1&c=3DGB&cr=3DGBP&cs= =3D%A3&ProdID=3D297 Does FreeBSD run on the PowerPC 750 yet? :) :) --Stijn --=20 The problem is that there are several people in design positions now who couldn't design the Next Big Thing(TM) unless it involved them taking a photocopier and someone else's design of The Next Big Thing(TM). -- 'Alkaiser' in a post on Slashdot on game originality --pZs/OQEoSSbxGlYw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAwPHGY3r/tLQmfWcRAi8GAKCgqbq2z6JJAzrn1Yja6ogJ+D0HdwCfQaie OZjZLV1H/2WK0vTmsRB46rs= =DwfB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pZs/OQEoSSbxGlYw-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 16:55:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2F516A4CF for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BA043D45 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i54Ns6gb074263 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:54:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com) Received: (from jcw@localhost)i54Ns6jK074262; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:54:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040604220350.GG24179@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=4.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Re: FreeBSD on the GameCube? :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:55:15 -0000 On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Stijn Hoop wrote: > Does FreeBSD run on the PowerPC 750 yet? :) :) I can't wait until it does. There is a whole host of very cool industrial hotswappable CompactPCI boards that I would love to try out, but won't because FreeBSD isn't there yet. Which leads me to my next question. Does the adoption of FreeBSD for the basis of Darwin put us any closer to running FreeBSD on Motorola chips? A non-hacker type like myself would think that Openfirmware issues and hardware portability issues (motorola is big-endian?) would already be understood. Later, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 19:27:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAD616A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtaw6.prodigy.net (mtaw6.prodigy.net [64.164.98.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E7043D1D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:27:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (00e86717f757346e885520659f146624@adsl-67-115-73-128.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.73.128]) by mtaw6.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i552QCSC027488; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 225A051CCA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:27:38 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Jason C. Wells" Message-ID: <20040605022737.GA93129@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040604220350.GG24179@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ibTvN161/egqYuK8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on the GameCube? :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 02:27:51 -0000 --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 04:54:05PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Stijn Hoop wrote: >=20 > > Does FreeBSD run on the PowerPC 750 yet? :) :) >=20 > I can't wait until it does. There is a whole host of very cool industrial > hotswappable CompactPCI boards that I would love to try out, but won't > because FreeBSD isn't there yet. >=20 > Which leads me to my next question. Does the adoption of FreeBSD for the > basis of Darwin put us any closer to running FreeBSD on Motorola chips? >=20 > A non-hacker type like myself would think that Openfirmware issues and > hardware portability issues (motorola is big-endian?) would already be > understood. Userland is the easy part, compared to getting a working kernel. Kris --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAwS+ZWry0BWjoQKURAgR+AJ9uHAWmR2q4jNGGHeG+S15Uu0fOcgCgpin3 GV4YBFcXKFTWSm4i2gQO+Mc= =UDuI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ibTvN161/egqYuK8--