From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 26 19:03:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A723B16A4CE; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:03:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mxb.saturn-tech.com (mxb.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF5D43D2F; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:03:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from mxb.saturn-tech.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxb.saturn-tech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i8QJ6IKt042707; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:06:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost)i8QJ6HSF042704; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mxb.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:06:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Michael Nottebrock In-Reply-To: <200409261332.23227.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20040926125542.P42646-100000@mxb.saturn-tech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATA disk performance (ICH2 controller), some tests andcomparison with Linux 2.6.5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:03:44 -0000 I suppose this should probably be moved to -chat..... On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > Supporting and being used on common-but-not-so-good hardware is one of the > best (and oldest) traditions of FreeBSD. :-) Oh, that it is! (Still doesn't mean the hardware is good. :) ) I found a 5.25" floppy the other day labeled "FreeBSD CPIO", and it got me thing about what version it actually was when I first loaded FreeBSD on an old MFM hard disk. It was a slightly old version, just after another was released, and I remember being so impressed with it that I went out the next day and bought a shiny new IDE disk to make a dedicated FreeBSD box, as I knew instantly that evening that I'd be running this OS permanently. It now accounts for nearly every one of my boxen. :) Maybe I'll go dig up an MFM controller and my pile of ancient disks. I think I know which one it was on even (I think it is an an 80 meg full height Micropolis).... it's probably still on there. :) Later...... From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 26 19:41:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB2916A4CE for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:41:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7673543D2D for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:41:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.13.176] (port=2210 helo=SATPC) by mx2.mail.ru with smtp id 1CBetY-000H3V-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:41:16 +0400 Message-ID: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> From: "Andrew" To: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:42:33 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam: Not detected Subject: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:41:17 -0000 Hi everyone, I'm a bit drunk and I'd like to declare that I Love FreeBSD! Hope that won't mess up your chat mailing list. Regards, Andrew P. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 26 19:44:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB05F16A4CE for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:44:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3D043D2D for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:44:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF95C63A1; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:44:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32159-03; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:43:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [198.92.228.34] (racerx.makeworld.com [198.92.228.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D993637F; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:43:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <41571C11.70104@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:44:17 -0500 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (X11/20040923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> In-Reply-To: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.1.1 at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:44:01 -0000 Andrew wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm a bit drunk and I'd like to declare that I Love FreeBSD! > > Hope that won't mess up your chat mailing list. > Have a few for me! We all do! -- Best regards, Chris You win some, lose some, and some get rained out; but you gotta suit up for them all. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 26 22:53:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4D116A4CE for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:53:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A501943D1F for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:53:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vkaul@ma.rr.com) Received: from gogobera.ma.rr.com (dhcp024-160-199-227.ma.rr.com [24.160.199.227])i8QMrTVd006568; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:53:29 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrew , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:55:20 -0500 From: "Vijay Kaul" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3869) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:53:33 -0000 On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:42:33 +0400, Andrew wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm a bit drunk and I'd like to declare that I Love FreeBSD! > > Hope that won't mess up your chat mailing list. > In the future, could you direct all druken signs of affection to freebsd-drunk? This seriously disrupts the serious conversations on -chat. Thank you. --Vijay From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 00:02:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9967216A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:02:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vsmtp14.tin.it (vsmtp14.tin.it [212.216.176.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228E443D1D for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:02:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: from workstation (82.48.221.50) by vsmtp14.tin.it (7.0.027) id 414B1A5800397FAA for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 02:02:51 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation> From: ".VWV." To: References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:02:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: Re: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:02:51 -0000 ---- Original Message ---- From: "Vijay Kaul" To: "Andrew" ; Sent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 23:55 Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD > On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:42:33 +0400, Andrew wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm a bit drunk and I'd like to declare that I Love FreeBSD! >> >> Hope that won't mess up your chat mailing list. >> > > In the future, could you direct all druken signs of affection to > freebsd-drunk? This seriously disrupts the serious conversations on -chat. > Thank you. > > --Vijay As always, I read personal dislikes on the FreeBSD mailing lists. If you evaluate yourself too much serious for a human vent, you should hadn't reply. In the next future, I'll don't care of mailing lists any more. VITTORI From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 00:06:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A7316A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:06:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B17E43D1D for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:06:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dwilson32@kc.rr.com) Received: from homec3p0 (CPE-65-28-67-242.kc.rr.com [65.28.67.242]) i8R00tpU008995; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:00:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000901c4a425$e09c6e70$f2431c41@homec3p0> From: "Derik Wilson" To: ".VWV." , References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> <000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:06:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: Re: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:06:58 -0000 Just don't run off to free-BSD-vegas and marry it or anything drunken silly like that and I am sure you'll be alright. ----- Original Message ----- From: ".VWV." To: Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: I Love FreeBSD > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Vijay Kaul" > To: "Andrew" ; > Sent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 23:55 > Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD > >> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:42:33 +0400, Andrew wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'm a bit drunk and I'd like to declare that I Love FreeBSD! >>> >>> Hope that won't mess up your chat mailing list. >>> >> >> In the future, could you direct all druken signs of affection to >> freebsd-drunk? This seriously disrupts the serious conversations >> on -chat. >> Thank you. >> >> --Vijay > > As always, I read personal dislikes on the FreeBSD mailing lists. If you > evaluate yourself too much serious for a human vent, you should hadn't > reply. In the next future, I'll don't care of mailing lists any more. > > VITTORI > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 00:15:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBDF16A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:15:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 82-41-155-225.cable.ubr01.linl.blueyonder.co.uk (82-41-155-225.cable.ubr01.linl.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.155.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0218B43D41 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:15:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrew@mux.org.uk) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (spatula.home [192.168.0.4]) by gateway.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F8164; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:15:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <41575BA8.6090604@mux.org.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:15:36 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> In-Reply-To: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:15:43 -0000 Andrew wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm a bit drunk and I'd like to declare that I Love FreeBSD! > > Hope that won't mess up your chat mailing list. LOL! Displays of effection for FreeBSD, drunken or otherwise, would appear to be perfectly on-topic. Andrew From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 00:24:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499F916A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:24:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from VARK.MIT.EDU (VARK.MIT.EDU [18.95.3.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED78D43D2D for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:24:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from VARK.MIT.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VARK.MIT.EDU (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8R0OKfg009794; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:24:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from das@localhost) by VARK.MIT.EDU (8.13.1/8.12.10/Submit) id i8R0OK75009793; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:24:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:24:20 -0400 From: David Schultz To: Andrew Boothman Message-ID: <20040927002420.GA9759@VARK.MIT.EDU> Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Boothman , Andrew , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> <41575BA8.6090604@mux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41575BA8.6090604@mux.org.uk> cc: Andrew cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:24:17 -0000 On Mon, Sep 27, 2004, Andrew Boothman wrote: > Andrew wrote: > >Hi everyone, > > > >I'm a bit drunk and I'd like to declare that I Love FreeBSD! > > > >Hope that won't mess up your chat mailing list. > > LOL! > > Displays of effection for FreeBSD, drunken or otherwise, would appear to > be perfectly on-topic. Perhaps this is true of displays for *affection*. But if you have an *effection* to display, it's best to generate a diff and send it as a PR so that it can be committed. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 00:44:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BA016A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:44:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.194.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8773E43D1D for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:44:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 080285138B; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:45:04 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: ".VWV." Message-ID: <20040927004504.GA76011@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> <000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:44:40 -0000 --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 01:02:52AM +0100, .VWV. wrote: > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Vijay Kaul" > To: "Andrew" ; > Sent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 23:55 > Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD >=20 > > On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:42:33 +0400, Andrew wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> I'm a bit drunk and I'd like to declare that I Love FreeBSD! > >> > >> Hope that won't mess up your chat mailing list. > >> > > > > In the future, could you direct all druken signs of affection to > > freebsd-drunk? This seriously disrupts the serious conversations on -ch= at. > > Thank you. > > > > --Vijay >=20 > As always, I read personal dislikes on the FreeBSD mailing lists. If you > evaluate yourself too much serious for a human vent, you should hadn't > reply. In the next future, I'll don't care of mailing lists any more. Dude, have a beer and chill out a bit :-) Kris =20 --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBV2KQWry0BWjoQKURAhqBAKCkbRLR4PLk8liT1dZF9HO5AB75JACaA6Wi 4WnFYRZVrhfl40qlBh8DI6U= =VQCu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 01:40:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D376C16A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:40:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32C943D54 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:40:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F09DB85652; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:07:16 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:07:16 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: ".VWV." Message-ID: <20040927003716.GY68826@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> <000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pM5zeTSooDOHDhuH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:40:07 -0000 --pM5zeTSooDOHDhuH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 27 September 2004 at 1:02:52 +0100, .VWV. wrote: > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Vijay Kaul" > To: "Andrew" ; > Sent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 23:55 > Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD > >> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:42:33 +0400, Andrew wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'm a bit drunk and I'd like to declare that I Love FreeBSD! >>> >>> Hope that won't mess up your chat mailing list. >> >> In the future, could you direct all druken signs of affection to >> freebsd-drunk? This seriously disrupts the serious conversations on -chat. >> Thank you. >> >> --Vijay > > As always, I read personal dislikes on the FreeBSD mailing lists. If you > evaluate yourself too much serious for a human vent, you should hadn't > reply. In the next future, I'll don't care of mailing lists any more. It sounds like you're the one who is lacking in a sense of humour. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --pM5zeTSooDOHDhuH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBV2C8IubykFB6QiMRAvyQAJ9Bqe8qVnxe7yP4NTpKc/jKco1nyACgpg1c 4ads7bfMHunSH7v7Qk61YcU= =z+zo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pM5zeTSooDOHDhuH-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 02:17:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87A916A4CE; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 02:17:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from heceta.db.net (heceta.db.net [66.11.169.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDEA43D39; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 02:17:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from db@db.net) Received: from heceta.db.net ([66.11.169.52] helo=localhost ident=mailnull) by heceta.db.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 4.8) id 1CBl5M-0001go-1L; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:17:52 -0400 Received: from localhost.dbn ([127.0.0.1] helo=night.dbn) by night.db.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CBl61-000BEo-AT; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:18:33 -0400 Received: (from db@localhost) by night.dbn (8.13.1/8.12.10/Submit) id i8R2IW9H043201; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:18:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from db@night.dbn) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:18:32 -0400 From: Diane Bruce To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Message-ID: <20040927021832.GA43169@night.dbn> References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> <000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation> <20040927003716.GY68826@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040927003716.GY68826@wantadilla.lemis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org cc: ".VWV." Subject: Re: Re: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 02:17:58 -0000 On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 10:07:16AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 27 September 2004 at 1:02:52 +0100, .VWV. wrote: > > ---- Original Message ---- > > From: "Vijay Kaul" ... > >> In the future, could you direct all druken signs of affection to > >> freebsd-drunk? This seriously disrupts the serious conversations on -chat. ... > > reply. In the next future, I'll don't care of mailing lists any more. > > It sounds like you're the one who is lacking in a sense of humour. Or an extremely dry sense of humour. Like mine. - Diane From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 02:20:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEB216A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 02:20:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DCF343D3F for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 02:20:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lomion@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (webmail16-en1 [10.13.10.142]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i8R2KQCD015552 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail16 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mac.com (Xserve/webmail16/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id i8R2KPCk020171 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1440735.1096251625532.JavaMail.lomion@mac.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:20:25 -0400 From: Larry Sica To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org in-reply-to: <20040927021832.GA43169@night.dbn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit references: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> <000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation> <20040927021832.GA43169@night.dbn> X-Originating-IP: 204.179.96.51/instID=78 Subject: Re: Re: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 02:20:26 -0000 On Sunday, September 26, 2004, at 10:18PM, Diane Bruce wrote: >On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 10:07:16AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Monday, 27 September 2004 at 1:02:52 +0100, .VWV. wrote: >> > ---- Original Message ---- >> > From: "Vijay Kaul" >... >> >> In the future, could you direct all druken signs of affection to >> >> freebsd-drunk? This seriously disrupts the serious conversations on -chat. >... >> > reply. In the next future, I'll don't care of mailing lists any more. >> >> It sounds like you're the one who is lacking in a sense of humour. > >Or an extremely dry sense of humour. Like mine. > Erm, doesn't freebsd-drunk simply forward to -chat? At least half the posts to the list could be explained then.... --Larry From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 02:25:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45BD16A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 02:25:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9017243D45 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 02:25:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (cpe-024-165-114-048.cinci.rr.com [24.165.114.48])i8R2PHJW011040 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i8R2PGUk012775 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:25:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by www.bluecirclesoft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8R2PFWI012774 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:25:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) X-Authentication-Warning: www.bluecirclesoft.com: mrami set sender to marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com using -f From: Marc Ramirez Organization: Blue Circle Software Corp. To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:24:43 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> <000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation> <20040927003716.GY68826@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20040927003716.GY68826@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2453196.oDEdZnTXFl"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200409262224.48242.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 02:25:21 -0000 --nextPart2453196.oDEdZnTXFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 27 September 2004 12:37 am, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 27 September 2004 at 1:02:52 +0100, .VWV. wrote: > > ---- Original Message ---- > > From: "Vijay Kaul" > > To: "Andrew" ; > > Sent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 23:55 > > Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD > > > >> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:42:33 +0400, Andrew wrote: > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> > >>> I'm a bit drunk and I'd like to declare that I Love FreeBSD! > >>> > >>> Hope that won't mess up your chat mailing list. > >> > >> In the future, could you direct all druken signs of affection to > >> freebsd-drunk? This seriously disrupts the serious conversations on > >> -chat. Thank you. > >> > >> --Vijay > > > > As always, I read personal dislikes on the FreeBSD mailing lists. If you > > evaluate yourself too much serious for a human vent, you should hadn't > > reply. In the next future, I'll don't care of mailing lists any more. > > It sounds like you're the one who is lacking in a sense of humour. Guys, calm down! He wasn't talking about _this_ future! Marc. (What the hell am I talking about?) =2D-=20 Marc Ramirez Blue Circle Software Corporation 513-688-1070 (main) 513-382-1270 (direct) http://www.bluecirclesoft.com http://www.mrami.com (personal) --nextPart2453196.oDEdZnTXFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBV0Gwg1EgpGw750IRAqOnAKCFL0HqbeGeLFnhAzELU1zWkGZWkACglAiW +hGbpZmmomp7up+OzJlAVys= =53Om -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2453196.oDEdZnTXFl-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 04:03:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3515E16A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:03:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE6E43D1D for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:03:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.13.176] (port=1098 helo=SATPC) by mx1.mail.ru with smtp id 1CBmjj-000Cd9-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:03:40 +0400 Message-ID: <005201c4a447$27621870$4611a8c0@SATPC> From: "Andrew" To: References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC><000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation><20040927003716.GY68826@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200409262224.48242.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:04:58 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam: Not detected Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:03:41 -0000 Hey guys, It's morning here and I, not having a bad hangover, would like to propose a new way of preventing it: Send something lovely to freebsd-chat mailing list after a tough party but before you go to sleep. The daemons will fix you up while you're fast asleep and you'll wake up to a wonderfully clear head in the morning! With love :-] Andrew P. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 15:34:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCEF16A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:34:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBD543D48 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:34:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:31:10 -0500 Message-ID: <41583310.7070206@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:34:40 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC><000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation><20040927003716.GY68826@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200409262224.48242.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> <005201c4a447$27621870$4611a8c0@SATPC> In-Reply-To: <005201c4a447$27621870$4611a8c0@SATPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2004 15:31:11.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[04374040:01C4A4A7] cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Hangover cure? [was Re: I Love FreeBSD] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:34:47 -0000 Andrew wrote: >Hey guys, > >It's morning here and I, not having a bad hangover, would like to >propose a new way of preventing it: > >Send something lovely to freebsd-chat mailing list after a tough party >but before you go to sleep. The daemons will fix you up while you're >fast asleep and you'll wake up to a wonderfully clear head in the >morning! > > >With love :-] >Andrew P. > > Hmm, maybe that one should go to advocacy@. FreeBSD: stable, fast, standards-compliant, cures hangovers.... KDK From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 28 02:21:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FA116A4CE for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:21:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pickering.cc.nd.edu (pickering.cc.nd.edu [129.74.250.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E3443D58 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:21:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmschei@attglobal.net) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (scheidt-rout.canopy.nd.edu [129.74.98.169]) (authenticated bits=0)i8S2L5DG013028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:21:06 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <41583310.7070206@daleco.biz> References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC><000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation><20040927003716.GY68826@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200409262224.48242.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> <005201c4a447$27621870$4611a8c0@SATPC> <41583310.7070206@daleco.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0D1BA23D-10F5-11D9-B008-0030657EDEB2@attglobal.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Scheidt Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:21:05 -0500 To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-ND-MTA-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:21:08 -0500 (EST) X-ND-Virus-Scan: engine v4.3.20; dat v4394 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hangover cure? [was Re: I Love FreeBSD] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:21:11 -0000 On Sep 27, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > > FreeBSD: stable, fast, standards-compliant, cures hangovers.... > Certainly helps prevent headaches! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 28 17:07:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4056D16A4CE for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:07:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zardoz.rd.imagescape.com (zardoz.rd.imagescape.com [66.100.151.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89C243D5A for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:07:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (adsl-69-208-206-156.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [69.208.206.156]) (authenticated bits=0)i8SH7ejT065705 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:07:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <0D1BA23D-10F5-11D9-B008-0030657EDEB2@attglobal.net> References: <005001c4a400$f7a7efb0$4611a8c0@SATPC> <000801c4a425$597324c0$80dffea9@workstation> <20040927003716.GY68826@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200409262224.48242.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> <005201c4a447$27621870$4611a8c0@SATPC> <41583310.7070206@daleco.biz> <0D1BA23D-10F5-11D9-B008-0030657EDEB2@attglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Imaginary Landscape, LLC. Message-Id: <1096391317.10668.7.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:08:37 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HAIR_LOSS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on zardoz.rd.imagescape.com Subject: Re: Hangover cure? [was Re: I Love FreeBSD] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:07:46 -0000 On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 21:21, David Scheidt wrote: > On Sep 27, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > > > > FreeBSD: stable, fast, standards-compliant, cures hangovers.... > > > > Certainly helps prevent headaches! Also insomnia, excessive stress, depression, and some forms of hair loss! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 30 23:39:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B6116A4CE; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:39:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cbn.net.id (bb219-74-64-55.singnet.com.sg [219.74.64.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2183143D68; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:39:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from martina_flores_my@dragon.acadiau.ca) From: "Martina Flores" Message-ID: <1096587493.1241@dragon.acadiau.ca> To: freebsd-x11-owner@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:38:13 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: We deliver to your door within 24 hours! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:39:18 -0000 [1][03ut8Q1jR8xbNMS.gif] References 1. http://thethingsonline.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 1 04:40:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C1716A4CE for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 04:40:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96FB43D53 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 04:40:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] ([192.168.1.16])i914eX8m030337 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:40:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:40:35 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <61D1B42DE744CC8F770302FB@[192.168.1.16]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: ACPI Flakiness / Loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 04:40:38 -0000 It's been a couple years since I have been active on the lists. I have been itching to get OpenAFS running on FreeBSD so I dove in with 5.2.1. I have never had a fresh binary install of FreeBSD in the -stable or -current branch fail to boot until just now. This system won't boot with ACPI. The loader doesn't seem to maintain my menu selection (Selection #2, ACPI disabled) from boot to boot so I must boot the system while sitting at the console. I am a bit dismayed. I never had to pay one iota of attention to the loader until now. I prefer to not have to fiddle bits on very fundamental code that keeps my system from booting. My request is this. Please don't enable flaky functionality by default. ACPI is openly stated as flaky and not uniformly implemented in the handbook. Also, please don't add any more gee-whiz to the loader. Trying to decipher where a system setting is being made in a language I do not know isn't especially fun. (If ACPI wasn't my issue, I don't suppose that I would care about the loader.) I'll get the system booting. No worries there. I just wish I didn't have to mess with this aspect of my system and from what I see, there is no sense to it. Later, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 1 04:54:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E4716A4CE for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 04:54:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (afg.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE3643D1D for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 04:54:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i914bnnQ083956; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: (from matto@localhost) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i914bn7T083955; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:37:49 -0700 From: Matt Olander To: "Jason C. Wells" Message-ID: <20040930213749.A83928@knight.ixsystems.net> References: <61D1B42DE744CC8F770302FB@[192.168.1.16]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <61D1B42DE744CC8F770302FB@[192.168.1.16]>; from jcw@highperformance.net on Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 09:40:35PM -0700 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI Flakiness / Loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 04:54:38 -0000 On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 09:40:35PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > This system won't boot with ACPI. The loader doesn't seem to maintain my > menu selection (Selection #2, ACPI disabled) from boot to boot so I must > boot the system while sitting at the console. I am a bit dismayed. I > never had to pay one iota of attention to the loader until now. I prefer > to not have to fiddle bits on very fundamental code that keeps my system > from booting. hi Jason, excerpt from http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/laptop/article.html: If you want to disable ACPI simply add hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" to /boot/device.hints. You can disable ACPI temporarily at the boot loader prompt by issueing unset acpi_load if you are having problems booting an ACPI enabled machine. FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE and later come with a boot-time menu that controls how FreeBSD is booted. One of the proposed options is to turn off ACPI. So to disable ACPI just select 2. Boot FreeBSD with ACPI disabled in the menu. cheers, -matt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 1 07:24:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFD316A4CE for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:24:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15EC43D54 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:24:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 875425312; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:24:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 3D7D15311; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:24:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 1A1BEB85E; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:24:29 +0200 (CEST) To: "Jason C. Wells" References: <61D1B42DE744CC8F770302FB@[192.168.1.16]> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:24:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: <61D1B42DE744CC8F770302FB@[192.168.1.16]> (Jason C. Wells's message of "Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:40:35 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.64 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI Flakiness / Loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:24:37 -0000 "Jason C. Wells" writes: > It's been a couple years since I have been active on the lists. I > have been itching to get OpenAFS running on FreeBSD so I dove in with > 5.2.1. I have never had a fresh binary install of FreeBSD in the > -stable or -current branch fail to boot until just now. I hope you realize that 5.2.1 is a nine months old development preview. > My request is this. Please don't enable flaky functionality by > default. ACPI is openly stated as flaky and not uniformly implemented > in the handbook. If only things were so simple! The plain fact is that most computers manufactured today, especially laptops and high-end servers, won't work properly without ACPI. As for your troubles with disabling ACPI: the procedure to do so is clearly described in the documentation, and on a stock 5.2.1 install, it's as simple as pressing 2 at the boot menu. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 1 14:11:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E3216A4CE for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:11:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8193D43D5E for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:11:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] ([192.168.1.16])i91EBd8m031576; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:11:40 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <61D1B42DE744CC8F770302FB@[192.168.1.16]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=4.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI Flakiness / Loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:11:45 -0000 --On Friday, October 01, 2004 9:24 AM +0200 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav=20 wrote: > I hope you realize that 5.2.1 is a nine months old development > preview. Actually, I didn't realize. I had been avoiding 5X. It has been easy to = simply stick with -stable so I haven't paid attention. I selected 5.2.1 as = the most current non-beta. The new development branch tagging paradigm=20 still has me scratching my head when I try to determine the maturity of the = code. > If only things were so simple! The plain fact is that most computers > manufactured today, especially laptops and high-end servers, won't > work properly without ACPI. Ah! I didn't realize that as many or more computers won't boot without=20 ACPI, as won't boot with ACPI. The docs read like ACPI is just not ready. > As for your troubles with disabling ACPI: the procedure to do so is > clearly described in the documentation, and on a stock 5.2.1 install, > it's as simple as pressing 2 at the boot menu. I was aware of this. The selection doesn't persist across reboots though. As far as documentation goes, what I didn't see documented in the man pages = or the handbook is how that boot menu interacts with device.hints,=20 loader.conf and what settings have precedence. I don't see where the=20 documents say that the device.hints override the menu selection or vice=20 versa. I wasn't sure if I had to tweak Forth code to prevent the enabling=20 of ACPI. I do see that Matt Olander has shown me to edit device.hints. I'll do that = and be happy. Nice to see you again! I was wondering who might still be active. Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 1 16:11:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AEF16A4CE for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:11:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDABE43D48 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:11:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id AA7B15312; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:11:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 74A9F5311; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:10:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 52A5CB85E; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:10:55 +0200 (CEST) To: "Jason C. Wells" References: <61D1B42DE744CC8F770302FB@[192.168.1.16]> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:10:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jason C. Wells's message of "Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:11:40 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.64 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI Flakiness / Loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:11:02 -0000 "Jason C. Wells" writes: > As far as documentation goes, what I didn't see documented in the man > pages or the handbook is how that boot menu interacts with > device.hints, loader.conf and what settings have precedence. I don't > see where the documents say that the device.hints override the menu > selection or vice versa. I wasn't sure if I had to tweak Forth code > to prevent the enabling of ACPI. man acpi, around line 120: To disable the acpi driver completely, set the kernel environment vari- able hint.acpi.0.disabled to 1. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 1 16:22:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487B116A4CE for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:22:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0093E43D39 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:22:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i91GMRZK045591; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:22:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <61D1B42DE744CC8F770302FB@[192.168.1.16]> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:08:21 +0200 To: "Jason C. Wells" From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI Flakiness / Loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:22:35 -0000 At 7:11 AM -0700 2004-10-01, Jason C. Wells wrote: > Ah! I didn't realize that as many or more computers won't boot without > ACPI, as won't boot with ACPI. The docs read like ACPI is just not ready. As implemented by most vendors, it's not. But that didn't stop them from switching and making it mandatory anyway. ;-( -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info.