From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 02:18:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07D516A4CE for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:18:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B4143D39 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:18:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] ([192.168.1.16])iA72IB8m042071 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:18:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:18:09 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <283B05003ADCFA42440168A3@[192.168.1.16]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Drop "New Technology" Moniker X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 02:18:13 -0000 I have said this in the past. Now seems like a pertinent time to express this opinion again. Please let -STABLE be stable and -CURRENT be the development branch. Please do not call anything from the -CURRENT branch a -RELEASE. Please do not label code as a "new technology release" as a notional label. Please either release the code or don't. Instead of waiting for a "dot-oh" release to know that the next major version of FreeBSD is ready for prime time, users wait for a "this time we really mean it" release announcement. The difference is mostly semantic. The old way was more rigorous. I like the old way better. Thanks, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 02:46:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9968116A4CE for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:46:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (adsl-222-79-156.jan.bellsouth.net [68.222.79.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D022643D1F for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:46:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 9D50E20FA9; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:46:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:46:26 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20041107024626.GA41090@over-yonder.net> References: <200411061133.iA6BXhHT086940@repoman.freebsd.org> <20041106163748.GB38881@ip.net.ua> <200411061859.56624.max@love2party.net> <418D632E.2020402@root.org> <20041107000311.GA42221@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041107000311.GA42221@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i-fullermd.2 cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_param.c X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 02:46:28 -0000 [ -> chat@ ] On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 04:03:12PM -0800 I heard the voice of Kris Kennaway, and lo! it spake thus: > On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 03:50:06PM -0800, Nate Lawson wrote: > > > I was traveling out of the country so I didn't get a chance to comment. > > The two caveats I'm aware of is a slight loss in processes that are > > CPU bound and an audio hum from ACPI CPU idling. The latter is rather > > interesting actually. At hz=100, it's just a quiet low buzz but at > > 1000, it is readily audible on many laptops and annoying. Windows uses > > hz=1000 too and has the same problem. I believe it's related to the > > capacitors and other devices charging/discharging when clocks are stopped. > > Can we play music by modulating the value of hz? :) Obviously, you're looking at it backward. What we REALLY want to do is modulate the value of hz by playing music. 8-} -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 06:53:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CEE16A4CE for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 06:53:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 167D943D45 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 06:53:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (krinklyfig@pacbell.net@64.171.2.128 with plain) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 06:53:04 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:53:02 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <283B05003ADCFA42440168A3@[192.168.1.16]> In-Reply-To: <283B05003ADCFA42440168A3@[192.168.1.16]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200411062253.02625.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: "Jason C. Wells" Subject: Re: Drop "New Technology" Moniker X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:53:05 -0000 On Saturday 06 November 2004 06:18 pm, "Jason C. Wells" wrote: > I have said this in the past. Now seems like a pertinent time to > express this opinion again. > > Please let -STABLE be stable and -CURRENT be the development branch. > Please do not call anything from the -CURRENT branch a -RELEASE. > Please do not label code as a "new technology release" as a notional > label. Please either release the code or don't. > > Instead of waiting for a "dot-oh" release to know that the next major > version of FreeBSD is ready for prime time, users wait for a "this > time we really mean it" release announcement. The difference is > mostly semantic. The old way was more rigorous. I like the old way > better. FWIW, a recent post to -current explained some of this, and also mentioned that future versioning will be time-based rather than feature-based (like OpenBSD), so this sort of issue shouldn't come up again. http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?418C0EED.1060301 - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 14:59:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF9D16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:59:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [198.92.228.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6123E43D49 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:59:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8BC60DF for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:59:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 66317-05 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:59:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27E760DE for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:59:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (racerx@localhost) by makeworld.com (8.13.1/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id iA9Ex76f066466 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:59:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:59:07 -0600 (CST) From: RacerX To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041109085844.Q66465@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.1.2 at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Subject: Surprise, surprise! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:59:13 -0000 Surprise. According to a study the British security firm mi2g, Linux is the world's "most breached" OS and is exploited more frequently than Windows. The company recently analyzed more than 235,000 successful attacks against computers that were permanently connected to the Internet during the past year and concluded that Linux was responsible for most of the successful exploits. "For how long can the truth remain hidden, that the great emperors of the software industry are wearing no clothes fit for the fluid environment in which computing takes place, where new threats manifest every hour of every day?" DK Matai, mi2g's executive chairman, said in a statement. "Busy professionals ... don't have the time to cope with umpteen flavors of Linux or to wait for Microsoft's Longhorn when Windows XP has proved to be a stumbling block in some well-chronicled instances." According to mi2g, Linux-based computers accounted for more than 65 percent of all successful electronic attacks during the past year, whereas Windows-based systems were responsible for only 25 percent. Attacks against Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD)-based systems were successful less than 5 percent of the time. However, it's worth noting--although mi2g didn't--that BSD-based machines make up a small percentage of the installed base of permanently connected machines. In all probability, those machines weren't attacked simply because there was little incentive to do so, not because of any inherent superiority over Linux- or Windows-based systems. The mi2g study also analyzed the impact of malware during the same time period and found that most malware attacks--about 60 percent--successfully targeted small businesses, whereas about 33 percent successfully targeted home users. Only 6 percent of malware attacks successfully targeted midsized businesses, whereas 2.5 percent successfully targeted enterprises, government agencies, and similar firms. According to the company, 459 successful malware attacks occurred during the past year, most of which targeted Windows-based systems. Malware rarely targeted BSD-based and Linux systems. These electronic attacks are taking an economic toll. The firm says that electronic attacks such as Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks caused as much as $123 billion in damages during the past year. Malware attacks were responsible for $202 billion in damages during the same time period. Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 17:11:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1952316A4E9 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:11:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39A043D2D for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:11:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phummers@iname.com) Received: from sdn-ap-005dcwashp0228.dialsprint.net ([63.188.40.228] helo=[10.0.1.4]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CRZWa-0001Au-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:11:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <20041109085844.Q66465@makeworld.com> References: <20041109085844.Q66465@makeworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <598B881A-3272-11D9-B93B-000502FDB988@iname.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Hummers Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:11:09 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Subject: Re: Surprise, surprise! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:11:21 -0000 On Nov 9, 2004, at 9:59 AM, RacerX wrote: > Surprise. > > According to a study the British security firm mi2g, Linux is the > world's "most breached" OS and is exploited more frequently than > Windows. The company recently analyzed more than 235,000 successful > attacks against computers that were permanently connected to the > Internet during the past year and concluded that Linux was responsible > for most of the successful exploits. I think this has to do with the efforts to mold Linux into a marketable desktop system for civilians (a la RedHat, although I like that company and have nothing against them). Which brings to my mind BSD evangelism. Is it necessary for the survival of the BSDs that they go on my grandmother's desktop? People who need BSD professionally (as opposed to dilletantes like me) know about it. And we dilletantes find out. A professional sysadmin should know that BSD is better than Linux (for serving etc., I mean). Are the free BSDs in danger? I hate to reference it yet again, but maybe the BSD license is a reason a BSD-based OS - Mac OS X - is called the most-used Un*x, though that characterization seems dubious to me. Not that there's anything wrong with Linux! Maybe its proper spot _is_ the desktop. The nature of the Linux exploits interests me - do they involve things like people's credit card numbers, or just the theft of some Grateful Dead mp3s from RMS' laptop? ;-)> From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 17:35:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A153116A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:35:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0D243D31 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:35:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phummers@iname.com) Received: from sdn-ap-005dcwashp0228.dialsprint.net ([63.188.40.228] helo=[10.0.1.4]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CRZuG-0001Q1-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:35:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Peter Hummers Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:35:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Subject: What OS are you? fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:35:49 -0000 I found this through Hubert Feyrer's NetBSD 'blog: "Answer a couple of 'personality test'-like questions, and see what OS you are. I'm OS X - not too bad after all!" It's at http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php ~Peter Hummers == "Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets: She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying, How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?" ~Proverbs 20-22 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 17:46:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265A216A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:46:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BB843D39 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:46:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (cpe-024-165-114-048.cinci.rr.com [24.165.114.48])iA9HkWlv019893 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iA9HkWjd006083 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:46:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by www.bluecirclesoft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iA9HkWhu006082 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:46:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) X-Authentication-Warning: www.bluecirclesoft.com: mrami set sender to marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com using -f From: Marc Ramirez Organization: Blue Circle Software Corp. To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:46:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2926398.kWSPcJ1FU4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200411091246.28354.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: What OS are you? fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:46:36 -0000 --nextPart2926398.kWSPcJ1FU4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 09 November 2004 12:35 pm, Peter Hummers wrote: > I found this through Hubert Feyrer's NetBSD 'blog: "Answer a couple of > 'personality test'-like questions, and see what OS you are. I'm OS X - > not too bad after all!" Win98... crap. I'm gonna take this place down a notch! Marc. =2D-=20 Marc Ramirez Blue Circle Software Corporation 513-688-1070 (main) 513-382-1270 (direct) http://www.bluecirclesoft.com http://www.mrami.com (personal) --nextPart2926398.kWSPcJ1FU4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBkQJ0g1EgpGw750IRAgEiAJ9DYNisJdSqFVl+vkSgtipzszPDCQCguvyB TBV+UeeD0CpV6MjFL50g1+w= =A+Aq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2926398.kWSPcJ1FU4-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 17:59:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7734116A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:59:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hawk.dcu.ie (mail.dcu.ie [136.206.1.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B6A43D2D for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:59:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from svan@redbrick.dcu.ie) Received: from deathray.redbrick.dcu.ie (136.206.15.3) by hawk.dcu.ie (7.0.016) id 41108D1900501C44; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:57:20 +0000 Received: from carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie ([2001:770:107:15:206:5bff:fefc:fb70] ident=mail) by deathray.redbrick.dcu.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1CRaFj-0007Ca-Ug; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:57:59 +0000 Received: from svan by carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CRaF2-0004Bq-00; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:57:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:57:16 +0000 From: Sarunas Vancevicius To: Peter Hummers Message-ID: <20041109175716.GA27577@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Mail-Followup-To: Sarunas Vancevicius , Peter Hummers , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What OS are you? fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:59:42 -0000 On 12:35, Tue 09 Nov 04, Peter Hummers wrote: > I found this through Hubert Feyrer's NetBSD 'blog: "Answer a couple of > 'personality test'-like questions, and see what OS you are. I'm OS X - > not too bad after all!" > > It's at http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php > > ~Peter Hummers A friend of mine showed me that a few months a go, it seems i was a gnu hurd person... From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 18:04:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6874A16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:04:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail2.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (mail2.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.3.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D2C43D3F for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:04:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from harald.wille@students.jku.at) Received: from heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at (heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at [193.171.34.71])iA9I436g012337 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:04:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from harald.wille@students.jku.at) Received: from heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iA9I3xDP001423 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:03:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from iqd@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) Received: (from iqd@localhost)iA9I3xrB001422 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:03:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from iqd) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:03:59 +0100 From: Wille Harald To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041109180359.GA1349@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-wipe-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-wipe-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-wipe-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.629, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -3.30, AWL 0.27, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: iqd@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 Subject: Re: What OS are you? fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:04:07 -0000 On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 12:35:38PM -0500, Peter Hummers wrote: > I found this through Hubert Feyrer's NetBSD 'blog: "Answer a couple of > 'personality test'-like questions, and see what OS you are. I'm OS X - > not too bad after all!" Amiga OS. Ahead of your time. I always knew it ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 18:16:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6097916A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:16:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD98F43D5E for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:16:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])iA9IG98G016712 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:16:17 +0200 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) iA9IG1fW006788 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:16:01 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)iA9IFxVj006787 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:15:59 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:15:59 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041109181559.GA6742@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20041109180359.GA1349@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041109180359.GA1349@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at> Subject: Re: What OS are you? fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:16:27 -0000 On 2004-11-09 19:03, Wille Harald wrote: > On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 12:35:38PM -0500, Peter Hummers wrote: > > I found this through Hubert Feyrer's NetBSD 'blog: "Answer a couple of > > 'personality test'-like questions, and see what OS you are. I'm OS X - > > not too bad after all!" > > Amiga OS. Ahead of your time. > I always knew it ;-) me too From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 18:55:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7688816A4CF for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:55:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from net.netophilia.net (ns.netophilia.net [66.96.216.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE2D43D2D for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:55:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@netophilia.net) Received: by net.netophilia.net (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 42C6B11523; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:55:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:55:42 -0500 From: Dan To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041109185542.GA13026@netophilia.net> References: <20041109175716.GA27577@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041109175716.GA27577@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Organization: netophilia.net X-rated: All Right! Visit: http://netophilia.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: What OS are you? fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:55:46 -0000 Sarunas Vancevicius extolled: > On 12:35, Tue 09 Nov 04, Peter Hummers wrote: > > I found this through Hubert Feyrer's NetBSD 'blog: "Answer a couple of > > 'personality test'-like questions, and see what OS you are. I'm OS X - > > not too bad after all!" > > > > It's at http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php > > > > ~Peter Hummers > > A friend of mine showed me that a few months a go, it seems i was a > gnu hurd person... I am apparently PalmOS - not sure how to feel about that.... __ Dan From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 19:33:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6407616A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:33:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from heceta.db.net (heceta.db.net [66.11.169.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F84943D41 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:33:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from db@db.net) Received: from heceta.db.net ([66.11.169.52] helo=localhost ident=mailnull) by heceta.db.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 4.8) id 1CRbkR-000Ax1-07; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:33:47 -0500 Received: from localhost.dbn ([127.0.0.1] helo=night.db.net) by night.db.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1CRbkO-0000hb-8W; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:33:44 -0500 Received: (from db@localhost) by night.db.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iA9JXbmb002702; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:33:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from db@night.dbn) X-Authentication-Warning: night.db.net: db set sender to db@night.db.net using -f Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:33:36 -0500 From: Diane Bruce To: Dan Message-ID: <20041109193336.GA2643@night.db.net> References: <20041109175716.GA27577@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <20041109185542.GA13026@netophilia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041109185542.GA13026@netophilia.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What OS are you? fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:33:49 -0000 On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 01:55:42PM -0500, Dan wrote: ... > I am apparently PalmOS - not sure how to feel about that.... Hey, size doesn't matter, it's the way you use it. - Diane From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 20:41:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1598616A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:41:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E513543D31 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:41:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flowers@users.sourceforge.net) Received: from pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.177]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I6X00L7WITLCBC0@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:41:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I6X00M4QITLPBH0@pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:41:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from sirius (S0106000c41b2b9a3.cg.shawcable.net [68.144.45.143]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with SMTP id <0I6X003AGITLO5@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:41:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:41:59 -0700 From: Dan MacMillan In-reply-to: <20041109185542.GA13026@netophilia.net> To: Dan , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: RE: What OS are you? fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:41:46 -0000 From: Dan > Sarunas Vancevicius extolled: > > On 12:35, Tue 09 Nov 04, Peter Hummers wrote: > > > I found this through Hubert Feyrer's NetBSD 'blog: "Answer a > > > couple of 'personality test'-like questions, and see what OS > > > you are. I'm OS X - not too bad after all!" > > > > > > It's at http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php > > > > A friend of mine showed me that a few months a go, it seems i > > was a gnu hurd person... > > I am apparently PalmOS - not sure how to feel about that.... Me, too. I do know how to feel about it : enraged! I've taken a test before that determined your gender based on a bunch of seemingly irrelevant and often nonsense questions. For example, you would have to pick a radio button from something like the following: ( ) Brown ( ) Black At the end of the test it told you its determination as to your gender, and you told it if it was right or wrong. It used that information to learn and refine future predictions. That kind of test means something. This kind, where an arbitrary human determination is made as to what kinds of answers "Palm OS" users would make, is not. Of course, I wouldn't be complaining if it said I was a ProDOS guy. -Dan From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 23:28:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E8616A4CF for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:28:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF4E43D8C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:28:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id iA9NS8nF015432; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:28:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041109180359.GA1349@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at> References: <20041109180359.GA1349@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:26:56 +0100 To: Wille Harald From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What OS are you? fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:28:18 -0000 At 7:03 PM +0100 2004-11-09, Wille Harald wrote: > On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 12:35:38PM -0500, Peter Hummers wrote: >> I found this through Hubert Feyrer's NetBSD 'blog: "Answer a couple of >> 'personality test'-like questions, and see what OS you are. I'm OS X - >> not too bad after all!" > > Amiga OS. Ahead of your time. What if it says I'm AmigaOS, but I disagree with their statements about AmigaOS? Can I put in a different OS which I think actually embodies their claims for AmigaOS? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 00:34:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207F816A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:34:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail2.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (mail2.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.3.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A5043D39 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:34:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from harald.wille@students.jku.at) Received: from heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at (heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at [193.171.34.71])iAA0YG6g030430; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:34:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from harald.wille@students.jku.at) Received: from heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iAA0YC3M004968; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:34:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from iqd@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) Received: (from iqd@localhost)iAA0YCnB004967; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:34:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from iqd) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:34:12 +0100 From: Wille Harald To: Brad Knowles Message-ID: <20041110003412.GA4810@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at> Mail-Followup-To: Brad Knowles , Wille Harald , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20041109180359.GA1349@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-wipe-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-wipe-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-wipe-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.629, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -3.30, AWL 0.27, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: iqd@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What OS are you? fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:34:19 -0000 On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 11:26:56PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 7:03 PM +0100 2004-11-09, Wille Harald wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 12:35:38PM -0500, Peter Hummers wrote: > >> I found this through Hubert Feyrer's NetBSD 'blog: "Answer a couple of > >> 'personality test'-like questions, and see what OS you are. I'm OS X - > >> not too bad after all!" > > > > Amiga OS. Ahead of your time. > > What if it says I'm AmigaOS, but I disagree with their statements > about AmigaOS? Can I put in a different OS which I think actually > embodies their claims for AmigaOS? As i know you can't. I doubt the seriousness of this thing anyway. If you change just one selection you are perhaps shifting from AmigaOS to a Win98 ;-) But what OS you are thinking of? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 00:50:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E090B16A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:50:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CCB43D39 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:50:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id iAA0o4AB019157; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:50:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041110003412.GA4810@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at> References: <20041109180359.GA1349@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at> <20041110003412.GA4810@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:48:40 +0100 To: Wille Harald From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Subject: Re: What OS are you? fun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:50:08 -0000 At 1:34 AM +0100 2004-11-10, Wille Harald wrote: >> What if it says I'm AmigaOS, but I disagree with their statements >> about AmigaOS? Can I put in a different OS which I think actually >> embodies their claims for AmigaOS? > > As i know you can't. I doubt the seriousness of this thing anyway. Oh, well. > If you change just one selection you are perhaps shifting from AmigaOS to a > Win98 ;-) It would be interesting to know which choices cause you to be pigeon-holed to which OS. > But what OS you are thinking of? NeXTstep? Or maybe Copland? Or perhaps Pink, or maybe even Rhapsody? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 20:18:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554CB16A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:18:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F68543D3F for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:18:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmp@bitfreak.org) Received: from speck.loki.lan (c-24-21-241-225.client.comcast.net [24.21.241.225]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7AB19F2C; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from spud (d0.loki.lan [172.21.42.20]) by speck.loki.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E36048EF; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:18:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Darren Pilgrim" To: "'Peter Hummers'" , Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:18:43 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c4c762$7ca0c550$142a15ac@spud> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <598B881A-3272-11D9-B93B-000502FDB988@iname.com> Subject: RE: Surprise, surprise! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:18:53 -0000 > From: Peter Hummers > > Is it necessary for the > survival of the BSDs that they go on my grandmother's desktop? People > who need BSD professionally (as opposed to dilletantes like me) know > about it. And we dilletantes find out. A professional sysadmin should > know that BSD is better than Linux (for serving etc., I mean). Are the > free BSDs in danger? I tell people that FreeBSD is the exception to the FBC engineering rule.