From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 06:34:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312FA16A4CE for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:34:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1108D43D45 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:34:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from www@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (www@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i786Y6EG009736 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:34:06 GMT (envelope-from www@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i786Y66c009735 for freebsd-doc; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:34:06 GMT (envelope-from www) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:34:06 GMT From: WWW pseudo-user Message-Id: <200408080634.i786Y66c009735@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD web build failed on freefall.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 06:34:07 -0000 install -c -o www -g www -m 444 /c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/../../../share/images/books/handbook/vinum/vinum-raid5-org.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/vinum /bin/mkdir -p /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/vinum install -c -o www -g www -m 444 /c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/../../../share/images/books/handbook/vinum/vinum-simple-vol.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/vinum /bin/mkdir -p /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/vinum install -c -o www -g www -m 444 /c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/../../../share/images/books/handbook/vinum/vinum-striped-vol.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/vinum /bin/mkdir -p /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/vinum install -c -o www -g www -m 444 /c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/../../../share/images/books/handbook/vinum/vinum-striped.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/vinum /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/handbook.html -> /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html ===> doc/books/porters-handbook install -c -o www -g www -m 444 $(/usr/bin/xargs < HTML.manifest) /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook install -c -o www -g www -m 444 docbook.css /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/1.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/2.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/3.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/4.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/5.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/6.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/7.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/8.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/9.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/10.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 book.html /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook install -c -o www -g www -m 444 docbook.css /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/1.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/2.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/3.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/4.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/5.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/6.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/7.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/8.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/9.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts install -c -o www -g www -m 444 imagelib/callouts/10.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/imagelib/callouts /c/www/build/www/en/doc/faq -> /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq /c/www/build/www/en/doc/handbook -> /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en -> /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1 ===> relnotes ===> relnotes/CURRENT/share/sgml make: don't know how to make /c/www/build/relnotes/doc/share/sgml/../../../../share/man/man4/man4.*/*.4. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /c/www/build/relnotes/doc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en/relnotes. *** Error code 1 (ignored) *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en. 4225.84 real 3022.55 user 112.17 sys From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 07:17:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BFC16A4CE; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 07:17:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [222.146.51.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8857743D2F; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 07:17:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p27072-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [219.161.180.72]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57AE1E56; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:17:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i786tuA2063176; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:55:56 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 15:55:43 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040808.155543.74758322.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: www@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <200408080634.i786Y66c009735@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200408080634.i786Y66c009735@freefall.freebsd.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.65 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug__8_15_55_43_2004_586)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on freefall.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 07:17:39 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug__8_15_55_43_2004_586)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WWW pseudo-user wrote in <200408080634.i786Y66c009735@freefall.freebsd.org>: www> ===> relnotes www> ===> relnotes/CURRENT/share/sgml www> make: don't know how to make /c/www/build/relnotes/doc/share/sgml/../../../../share/man/man4/man4.*/*.4. Stop www> *** Error code 2 Fixed. -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug__8_15_55_43_2004_586)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBFc5xTyzT2CeTzy0RAqDaAJ9VXy6QeUm3PL+xs89DxnPq7UgJjgCfdkTh vgPf/dIhdMiJ1qAFAC8x/uE= =2Kfk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug__8_15_55_43_2004_586)---- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 09:28:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3A516A4CE; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:28:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [222.146.51.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D1F43D53; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:28:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p27072-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [219.161.180.72]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136231DC3; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:28:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i789RkA2063694; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:27:47 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 18:27:02 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040808.182702.78702899.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: simon@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20040807203924.GC684@arthur.nitro.dk> References: <20040807174313.GB684@arthur.nitro.dk> <20040808.042612.99279127.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040807203924.GC684@arthur.nitro.dk> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.65 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart0(Sun_Aug__8_18_27_02_2004_554)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: simplify entity declaration in books and articles X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:28:10 -0000 ----Security_Multipart0(Sun_Aug__8_18_27_02_2004_554)-- Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="--Next_Part(Sun_Aug__8_18_27_02_2004_944)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----Next_Part(Sun_Aug__8_18_27_02_2004_944)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote in <20040807203924.GC684@arthur.nitro.dk>: simon> This applies without error, but when I build the a document in the ja simon> part: Grr, I forgot to do "cvs add" the localized articles.ent and books.ent. 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Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:00:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.templeofhate.com (downtime.templeofhate.com [82.165.31.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA47843D45 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:00:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from montag@informationsberatung.de) Received: (qmail 8366 invoked by uid 33); 8 Aug 2004 14:00:33 -0000 Received: from 217.231.75.170 (SquirrelMail authenticated user montag@informationsberatung.de); by mail.templeofhate.com with HTTP; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:00:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51115.217.231.75.170.1091973633.squirrel@217.231.75.170> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:00:33 +0200 (CEST) From: montag@informationsberatung.de To: doc@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Printing documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 14:00:42 -0000 Dear folks from the documentation, using FreeBSD for the recent years on a daily basis on the desktop for my job as a self-employed information broker I'd like first of to express my thanks to all who work on this wonderful project. As now pointed out on slashdot, this article ( http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=321) is about easily setting up a printer. This is the only downside of FreeBSD: The bad documentation of apsfilter as the easy way to printing. It would be absolutely sufficient to put this as chapter in the handbook - with the permission of the author of course. This would help the most people with installing the system. The rest may furtheron write printcaps and fiddle with device-names. What do you think? Kind regards Jan Hendrik Montag From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 14:28:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B41A16A4CE for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:28:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC5743D45 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:28:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i78ESUmA039535; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:28:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i78ESPC3039534; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:28:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:28:25 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: montag@informationsberatung.de Message-ID: <20040808142825.GB34478@abigail.blackend.org> References: <51115.217.231.75.170.1091973633.squirrel@217.231.75.170> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51115.217.231.75.170.1091973633.squirrel@217.231.75.170> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Printing documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 14:28:35 -0000 On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 04:00:33PM +0200, montag@informationsberatung.de wrote: > Dear folks from the documentation, > > using FreeBSD for the recent years on a daily basis on the desktop for my > job as a self-employed information broker I'd like first of to express my > thanks to all who work on this wonderful project. > > As now pointed out on slashdot, this article ( > http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=321) is about > easily setting up a printer. > > This is the only downside of FreeBSD: The bad documentation of apsfilter > as the easy way to printing. It would be absolutely sufficient to put this > as chapter in the handbook - with the permission of the author of course. > This would help the most people with installing the system. The rest may > furtheron write printcaps and fiddle with device-names. > I read that article, and apart a make install in the apsfilter ports directory and a lpd_enable="YES", there's nothing. Sorry to say that. The current printing chapter in the Handbook is really detailled but does not offer a quick and simple printing configuration method for a newcomer. So maybe something about apsfilter is missing. I'll see what I can do. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 17:23:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088BF16A4CE for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:23:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Kain.sumuk.de (Kain.sumuk.de [213.221.86.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC48743D45 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:23:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vincent@sumuk.de) Received: from Goliath.earth.sol (Goliath.earth.sol [192.168.1.6]) by Kain.sumuk.de (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78HN3wa023763 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:23:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from vincent@sumuk.de) Received: from Goliath.earth.sol (localhost.earth.sol [127.0.0.1]) by Goliath.earth.sol (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78HN3rf072315 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:23:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from vincent@Goliath.earth.sol) Received: (from vincent@localhost) by Goliath.earth.sol (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i78HN3tZ072314 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:23:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from vincent) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:23:03 +0200 From: Martin Heinen To: freebsd-doc Message-ID: <20040808172303.GA72272@sumuk.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Mention Maple single user license in linuxemu/chapter.sgml X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-doc List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 17:23:06 -0000 --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Some time ago the German translators mailing list received a hint on installing Maple (original German message: http://univ.dyndns.org/freebsd/search-de/translators/04/msg00129.html). I would like to commit the attached patch to linuxemu/chapter.sgml. Since I'm not using Maple, I don't know if this really works (according to Thomas it works at least for Maple 7). Objections or other suggestions? -- Marxpitn --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="maple.diff" Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /u/cvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/linuxemu/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.113 diff -u -r1.113 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 9 Jul 2004 08:32:36 -0000 1.113 +++ chapter.sgml 10 Jul 2004 08:27:55 -0000 @@ -629,6 +629,14 @@ Maplesoft to let them know you would like a native FreeBSD version! + + + As of &maple; 7 + you can install a single user license which does not + require a license server. You only need to patch + maple.system.type if you use + the single user license. + Common Pitfalls --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 18:23:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD65416A4CE for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:23:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av5-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av5-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3525B43D1D for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:23:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joel@automatvapen.se) Received: by av5-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6192E37F5A; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:23:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av5-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F83A37E53 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:23:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [195.252.53.132] (t4o955p12.telia.com [195.252.53.132]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3203237E49 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:23:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Joel Dahl To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 20:24:10 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 18:23:45 -0000 From /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.html: "BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD code. As a result, more software is available for BSD than for Linux." The last sentence can't be an established fact that's measurable in numbers, or am I wrong? No big deal, but why not just cut it down to: "BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD code." From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 20:23:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4C016A4CE for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:23:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9E443D1F for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:23:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1BtuCt-000DtS-NC; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:23:51 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:23:51 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Joel Dahl Message-ID: <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Joel Dahl , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9ToWwKEyhugL+MAz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 20:23:53 -0000 --9ToWwKEyhugL+MAz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 08:24:10PM +0200, Joel Dahl wrote: > From > /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.html: >=20 > "BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD code. As a > result, more software is available for BSD than for Linux." >=20 > The last sentence can't be an established fact that's measurable in > numbers, or am I wrong? No big deal, but why not just cut it down to: >=20 > "BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD code." I don't think anyone has actually counted, but it's essentially a tautology: For code(bsd) > 0, code(bsd) + code(linux) > code(linux). Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --9ToWwKEyhugL+MAz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBFovXocfcwTS3JF8RAlZQAJ9DmwAvn/X93YfN90tJOML4WzS2xgCghnDJ 1isSTaDDF4pRJcl5f88jxiQ= =gdFg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9ToWwKEyhugL+MAz-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 20:33:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725BD16A4CE for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:33:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wingfoot.org (caduceus.wingfoot.org [64.32.179.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3810943D1F for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:33:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ges+lists@wingfoot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DA41F448F for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 66881-08 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-44c47f78.dyn.optonline.net [68.196.127.120]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C437A1F446C for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 16:32:55 -0400 From: Glenn Sieb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040626 Thunderbird/0.7.1 Mnenhy/0.6.0.104 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wingfoot.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 20:33:13 -0000 Ceri Davies said the following on 8/8/2004 4:23 PM: >On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 08:24:10PM +0200, Joel Dahl wrote: > > >>From >>/usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.html: >> >>"BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD code. As a >>result, more software is available for BSD than for Linux." >> >>The last sentence can't be an established fact that's measurable in >>numbers, or am I wrong? No big deal, but why not just cut it down to: >> >>"BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD code." >> >> > >I don't think anyone has actually counted, but it's essentially a >tautology: > For code(bsd) > 0, code(bsd) + code(linux) > code(linux). > But this only holds as long as code(bsd) > code(linux) to begin with.... no? Do we know for a fact that code(bsd) > code(linux)? I know I've been hard pressed to find software from vendors that was marketed as being developed for BSD, as opposed to Linux or Solaris, etc.... Best, G. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 20:43:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D64816A4CE for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:43:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from redqueen.elvandar.org (cust.94.120.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.94.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EACF43D41 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:43:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from [10.0.2.122] (nimrod.elvandar.intranet [10.0.2.122]) by redqueen.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51B010685E; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:43:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4116906E.8060408@elvandar.org> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:43:26 +0200 From: Remko Lodder X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Sieb References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> In-Reply-To: <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at elvandar.org cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 20:43:36 -0000 > But this only holds as long as code(bsd) > code(linux) to begin with.... > no? Do we know for a fact that code(bsd) > code(linux)? I know I've been > hard pressed to find software from vendors that was marketed as being > developed for BSD, as opposed to Linux or Solaris, etc.... > > Best, > G. You dont see the point i think, BSD can execute it's own code, and thus any software written for BSD itself, AND it has the power to execute Linux code, so that makes BSD (BSD+Linux) vs Linux (Linux) And since there is at least one product more on BSD then for Linux it is a correct statement.... > -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder |remko@elvandar.org Reporter DSINet |remko@dsinet.org Projectleader Mostly-Harmless |remko@mostly-harmless.nl From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 23:54:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76A916A4CF for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:54:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp06.web.de (smtp06.web.de [217.72.192.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C1E43D1F for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:54:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jtonn@web.de) Received: from [213.54.110.225] (helo=paranormal.tonn.local) by smtp06.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.101 #44) id 1BtxUd-0008A2-00 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:54:23 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 01:53:27 +0200 From: Johannes Tonn X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11310616978.20040809015327@web.de> To: doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: jtonn@web.de X-Sender: jtonn@web.de Subject: Doc: Dialup firewalling with FreeBSD - missing rule X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Johannes Tonn List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:54:25 -0000 Hi Team, i have read the the short tutorial "Dialup Firewalling with FreeBSD" and i see on little problem in the ipfw-ruleset. An internel host (e.g. 192.168.0.11) can not connect to an externel host. In the ruleset isn't a corresponding rule like: add allow tcp from 192.168.0.0/24 to any via $oif setup keep-state so long, johannes - loving freebsd From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 01:05:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC5216A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 01:05:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BC543D5F for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 01:05:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:02:10 -0500 Message-ID: <4116CDE6.1030006@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 20:05:42 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johannes Tonn References: <11310616978.20040809015327@web.de> In-Reply-To: <11310616978.20040809015327@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2004 01:02:10.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FFA6620:01C47DAC] cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Doc: Dialup firewalling with FreeBSD - missing rule X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:05:46 -0000 Johannes Tonn wrote: >Hi Team, > >i have read the the short tutorial "Dialup Firewalling with FreeBSD" >and i see on little problem in the ipfw-ruleset. > >An internel host (e.g. 192.168.0.11) can not connect to an externel >host. In the ruleset isn't a corresponding rule like: > >add allow tcp from 192.168.0.0/24 to any via $oif setup keep-state > >so long, >johannes - loving freebsd > > > Looks like you did find an issue. Thanks for pointing this out! I've cc'ed the article's author. I imagine that some of the docteam members could also make this change, perhaps in time for the next release. Once again, thanks! Kevin Kinsey [who also loves FBSD] From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 02:57:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A171516A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 02:57:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [65.173.111.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3281843D2D for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 02:57:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i792vaWS038768; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:57:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i792vaLM038765; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:57:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:57:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Remko Lodder In-Reply-To: <4116906E.8060408@elvandar.org> Message-ID: <20040808205425.O38751@wonkity.com> References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> <4116906E.8060408@elvandar.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 08 Aug 2004 20:57:36 -0600 (MDT) cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 02:57:45 -0000 On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Remko Lodder wrote: > BSD (BSD+Linux) vs Linux (Linux) > > And since there is at least one product more on BSD then for Linux it is a > correct statement.... This assumes that BSD can execute *all* Linux code, which is not necessarily true. Just to complicate things, isn't there an ability to run code from other Unix platforms on BSD? I saw an article on running Foxpro for Unix (a SCO executable, apparently) on FreeBSD. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 03:10:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC8616A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:10:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0205743D46 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:10:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i793APks087153 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:10:25 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i793AP18087151; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:10:25 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:10:25 GMT Message-Id: <200408090310.i793AP18087151@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Alexey Dokuchaev Subject: Re: docs/69086: Porters Handbook: How to convert from CR/LF to LF using REINPLACE_CMD X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alexey Dokuchaev List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:10:26 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/69086; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Peter Pentchev Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/69086: Porters Handbook: How to convert from CR/LF to LF using REINPLACE_CMD Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:05:01 +0700 On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 04:43:47PM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 02:01:05PM +0700, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > > > >Number: 69086 > > >Category: docs > > >Synopsis: Porters Handbook: How to convert from CR/LF to LF using REINPLACE_CMD > > What do you think about the following patch, which advocates a bit more > efficient method (find/xargs will invoke REINPLACE_CMD an order of > magnitude less than invoking it for each and every file, or even on many > files in succession :), and also has some minor corrections and > rewording to the text above? Agreed, thanks for your improvements. ./danfe From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 03:10:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216E016A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:10:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128DC43D2F for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:10:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i793AWF8087228 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:10:32 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i793AWZS087227; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:10:32 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:10:32 GMT Message-Id: <200408090310.i793AWZS087227@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Alexey Dokuchaev Subject: Re: docs/69086: Porters Handbook: How to convert from CR/LF to LF using REINPLACE_CMD X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alexey Dokuchaev List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:10:33 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/69086; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Peter Pentchev Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/69086: Porters Handbook: How to convert from CR/LF to LF using REINPLACE_CMD Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:05:28 +0700 On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 06:45:14PM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 04:43:47PM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 02:01:05PM +0700, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > > > > > >Number: 69086 > > > >Category: docs > > > >Synopsis: Porters Handbook: How to convert from CR/LF to LF using REINPLACE_CMD > > > > What do you think about the following patch, which advocates a bit more > > efficient method (find/xargs will invoke REINPLACE_CMD an order of > > magnitude less than invoking it for each and every file, or even on many > > files in succession :), and also has some minor corrections and > > rewording to the text above? > > Or how about the following, which uses the &windows; entity properly? :) This also looks good. ./danfe From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 03:18:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A73916A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:18:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wingfoot.org (caduceus.wingfoot.org [64.32.179.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5B043D41 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:18:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ges+lists@wingfoot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18191F448F for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24066-03 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-44c47f78.dyn.optonline.net [68.196.127.120]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EBF1F446C for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4116ED12.3000809@wingfoot.org> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:18:42 -0400 From: Glenn Sieb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040626 Thunderbird/0.7.1 Mnenhy/0.6.0.104 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> <4116906E.8060408@elvandar.org> In-Reply-To: <4116906E.8060408@elvandar.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wingfoot.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:18:47 -0000 Remko Lodder said the following on 8/8/2004 4:43 PM: > But this only holds as long as code(bsd) > code(linux) to begin > with.... no? Do we know for a fact that code(bsd) > code(linux)? I > know I've been hard pressed to find software from vendors that was > marketed as being developed for BSD, as opposed to Linux or Solaris, > etc.... > > You dont see the point i think, BSD can execute it's own code, and > thus any software written for BSD itself, AND it has the power to > execute Linux code, so that makes > > BSD (BSD+Linux) vs Linux (Linux) > > And since there is at least one product more on BSD then for Linux it > is a correct statement.... I guess my point was lost as well... I don't see development happening (other than system development, such as the OS) happening in BSD. I don't see vendors saying "This product will run on BSD" I see "This product will run on RedHat Linux Enterprise Edition, etc etc" :-/ (Do not read me wrong--I love FBSD, and have been an instant convert since 2000 version 4.1 ;).. I just wish it was easier to find commercial applications that would run under it. 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Keck" From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 06:07:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF9416A4CE; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 06:07:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from volginfo.ru (ns.volginfo.ru [217.23.84.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0257943D2F; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 06:07:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from den@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (llp-13.vistcom.ru [217.23.84.68]) by volginfo.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1742012; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:07:13 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <4117148F.5010303@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:07:11 +0400 From: Denis Peplin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040205 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hiroki Sato References: <4110CB82.8000204@FreeBSD.org> <20040807.043147.99822694.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <20040807.043147.99822694.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [patch] SP_ENCODING support in doc.docbook.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:07:14 -0000 Hello! Yes, having something in /share/mk is good idea :) Hiroki Sato wrote: > Hi, > > Denis Peplin wrote > in <4110CB82.8000204@FreeBSD.org>: > > den> Patch in attacment can fix encoding of printed > den> formats, at least for KOI8-R (and for encodings, > den> supported by jade). > > I think this should depend on /share directory, > not on share/. What do you think about separating such > customizations for a specific language like the attached patch? From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 08:22:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CA716A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:22:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B36443D1F for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:22:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joel@automatvapen.se) Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 5EF2537FA1; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:08:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D07137F72; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:08:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [81.225.222.131] (t12o55p11.telia.com [81.225.222.131]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD3737E44; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:22:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Joel Dahl To: Warren Block In-Reply-To: <20040808205425.O38751@wonkity.com> References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> <4116906E.8060408@elvandar.org> <20040808205425.O38751@wonkity.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1092039714.525.6.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:22:55 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:22:30 -0000 On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 04:57, Warren Block wrote: > This assumes that BSD can execute *all* Linux code, which is not > necessarily true. This was my point. As the original statement (in the article) can't be confirmed, I'm still in favor of my initial suggestion. :) > Just to complicate things, isn't there an ability to run code from other > Unix platforms on BSD? I saw an article on running Foxpro for Unix (a > SCO executable, apparently) on FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 08:48:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEEC916A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:48:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825AF43D41 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:48:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bu5pJ-000GIr-Fb; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:48:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:48:17 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Glenn Sieb Message-ID: <20040809084817.GW87690@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Glenn Sieb , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1R6ZDISWaA1muLP0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:48:19 -0000 --1R6ZDISWaA1muLP0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 04:32:55PM -0400, Glenn Sieb wrote: > Ceri Davies said the following on 8/8/2004 4:23 PM: >=20 > >On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 08:24:10PM +0200, Joel Dahl wrote: > >=20 > > > >>From > >>/usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.html: > >> > >>"BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD code. As a > >>result, more software is available for BSD than for Linux." > >> > >>The last sentence can't be an established fact that's measurable in > >>numbers, or am I wrong? No big deal, but why not just cut it down to: > >> > >>"BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD code." > >> =20 > >> > > > >I don't think anyone has actually counted, but it's essentially a > >tautology: > >For code(bsd) > 0, code(bsd) + code(linux) > code(linux). > > > But this only holds as long as code(bsd) > code(linux) to begin with....= =20 > no? I'm assuming you failed math. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --1R6ZDISWaA1muLP0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBFzpRocfcwTS3JF8RAl59AJ9uW5JKUTBQ7uQdgrXeDwiSLoK3KQCffa+B 1n17zPXN56f86EUmJGxbgYg= =VAV6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1R6ZDISWaA1muLP0-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 10:30:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EA516A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:30:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wingfoot.org (caduceus.wingfoot.org [64.32.179.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B070243D39 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:30:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ges+lists@wingfoot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139231F448F; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 06:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82341-06; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 06:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-44c47f78.dyn.optonline.net [68.196.127.120]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B3D1F446C; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 06:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41175240.5040709@wingfoot.org> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:30:24 -0400 From: Glenn Sieb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040626 Thunderbird/0.7.1 Mnenhy/0.6.0.104 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ceri Davies References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> <20040809084817.GW87690@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <20040809084817.GW87690@submonkey.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wingfoot.org cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:30:31 -0000 Ceri Davies said the following on 8/9/2004 4:48 AM: > I'm assuming you failed math. Thanks--love you too! From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 11:00:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BA516A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:00:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A9343D58 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:00:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i79B0txO076778 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:00:55 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i79B0s00076772 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:00:54 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:00:54 GMT Message-Id: <200408091100.i79B0s00076772@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:00:56 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [1999/10/04] i386/14135 doc lpt1 nolonger exists after 3.2-RELEASE s [2000/07/19] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/05/24] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () s [2002/03/08] docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for o [2002/03/21] docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc o [2002/09/14] docs/42762 doc ppp.8 has no description of $env and ~use o [2002/11/15] docs/45303 doc Bug in PDF DocBook rendering o [2003/12/29] docs/60679 doc pthreads documentation does not describe o [2004/01/19] docs/61558 doc New SMC 2602W cards, using the ADM8211, a o [2004/01/20] docs/61605 doc Improve documentation for i386 disk geome o [2004/02/10] docs/62665 doc setting up X display subsystem function i o [2004/03/10] docs/64063 doc Size of block in File System Quota docume 12 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/02/02] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/07/26] docs/29245 doc top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme p [2001/09/27] docs/30873 doc ``ip'' man page does not specify byte ord o [2001/10/07] docs/31109 doc replace gif images w/ png ones due to pat o [2002/01/05] docs/33589 doc Patch to doc.docbook.mk to post process . o [2002/01/14] docs/33852 doc split(1) man page implies that input file o [2002/01/14] docs/33877 doc Documentet behaviour of SF_flags for non- a [2002/02/16] docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" o o [2002/02/22] docs/35222 doc mailing list archive URL regexp suboptima o [2002/03/06] docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explana o [2002/03/06] docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long era o [2002/03/06] docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't me o [2002/03/07] docs/35642 doc lo(4) page maybe should document optional o [2002/03/07] docs/35644 doc lo(4) page presumes familiarity with prin o [2002/03/07] docs/35646 doc cp(1) page needs a "Bugs" section. o [2002/03/07] docs/35648 doc rc.conf; add note about "flags" to both f o [2002/03/08] docs/35686 doc blackhole(4) page seems to contradict its o [2002/03/08] docs/35687 doc /etc/nsmb.conf missing mention of readers o [2002/03/10] docs/35732 doc adduser(8) page has obsolete reference an o [2002/03/16] docs/35943 doc at(1) config files are misplaced in /var/ o [2002/03/16] docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wro o [2002/03/28] docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded bo o [2002/03/29] docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailin s [2002/05/07] docs/37843 doc manual for pthread_setschedparam is wrong o [2002/05/18] docs/38225 doc change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" o [2002/05/25] docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to exist o [2002/05/27] docs/38620 doc Committers Guide and CVS o [2002/05/31] docs/38772 doc firewall_type feature not mentioned on Ha o [2002/06/07] docs/38982 doc developers-hanbook/Jail fix p [2002/06/08] docs/39044 doc The man page for rot13(6) never mentions o [2002/06/13] docs/39213 doc No rc(4) man page o [2002/06/15] docs/39348 doc kenv fetch of hostname requires dhcp/boot o [2002/06/19] docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broa o [2002/06/25] docs/39824 doc Various tweaks for doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/bo o [2002/07/10] docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to o [2002/07/11] docs/40443 doc Update books/faq/book.sgml for USB .ko's o [2002/07/21] docs/40851 doc [PATCH] "mergemaster -p" in UPDATING's "C o [2002/07/28] docs/41089 doc pax -B option does not mention interactio o [2002/08/02] docs/41270 doc confusing directions for kernelconfig cha o [2002/08/19] docs/41791 doc Documentation formatting error o [2002/08/20] docs/41807 doc natd -punch_fw "bug" o [2002/08/20] docs/41820 doc Device driver confusion in Handbook (2.3) a [2002/08/27] docs/42058 doc Documentation: Installing Oracle 8i onto o [2002/10/04] docs/43651 doc stab(5) incorrectly states to include jus o [2002/10/09] docs/43861 doc non-trivial typo in wicontrol man page o [2002/10/11] docs/43941 doc Rationale for Upgrade Sequence o [2002/10/15] docs/44074 doc ln(1) manual clarifications [patch] o [2002/10/23] docs/44400 doc ipfw(8) has contradictions in bridged and o [2002/10/24] docs/44435 doc sysctl manpage: add example for tcsh o [2002/10/29] docs/44594 doc Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for o [2002/12/02] docs/45940 doc burncd missing info o [2002/12/11] docs/46196 doc Missing return value in (set_)menu_format o [2002/12/16] docs/46291 doc correlation between HZ kernel config para o [2002/12/16] docs/46295 doc please add information to Nvi recovery em o [2003/01/06] docs/46793 doc DEVICE_POLLING can not be used with SMP, o [2003/01/28] docs/47575 doc Clarify requirements for IPFW2 in STABLE o [2003/01/28] docs/47594 doc [PATH] passwd(5) incorrectly states allow o [2003/01/30] docs/47690 doc builtin(1) manpage is wrong about externa o [2003/01/31] docs/47705 doc wc(1) manpage has poor explanations. f [2003/02/02] docs/47818 doc ln(1) manpage is confusing f [2003/02/07] docs/48038 doc [PATCH] add Tips and Tricks section into o [2003/02/28] docs/48767 doc wrong key numbers for left/right windows o [2003/03/06] docs/48980 doc [PATCH] nsgmls -s errors and sect. 3.2.1 o [2003/03/23] docs/50211 doc [PATCH] Fix textfile creation o [2003/04/03] docs/50573 doc return values for res_query/res_search/re o [2003/04/07] docs/50677 doc [PATCH] update doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ o [2003/04/10] docs/50773 doc NFS problems by jumbo frames to mention i o [2003/05/06] docs/51875 doc atkbd(4) adjustment o [2003/05/06] docs/51891 doc DIAGNOSTICS in ed driver manpage don't ma o [2003/05/07] docs/51921 doc ls(1) manpage lacks some information abou o [2003/05/11] docs/52071 doc [PATCH] Add more information about soft u o [2003/05/25] docs/52672 doc Porter's Handbook: couple of corrections o [2003/06/13] docs/53303 doc mount(2) man page error o [2003/06/21] docs/53575 doc Change to Handbook Section 20.9 o [2003/06/21] docs/53596 doc Updates to mt manual page o [2003/06/25] docs/53732 doc quota output and man page do not document o [2003/07/11] docs/54391 doc Document that glob(3) respects LC_COLLATE o [2003/07/13] docs/54451 doc [patch] i386_{get|set}_ldt manual page is o [2003/07/26] docs/54879 doc man 1 jot, -r description o [2003/08/12] docs/55482 doc DUMP has access to block devices in a JAI o [2003/08/17] docs/55653 doc chflags.1 - note that not all tools chfla o [2003/09/24] docs/57153 doc S_IRWXU missing in fstat(2) man page? o [2003/09/30] docs/57388 doc INSTALL.TXT enhancement: mention ok promp o [2003/10/04] docs/57569 doc error on gensetdefs(8) man page o [2003/10/13] docs/57926 doc amd.conf.5 poorly format as it has both m o [2003/10/13] docs/57974 doc man page apropos for select macros (FD_SE o [2003/10/13] docs/57978 doc Type miss of GPIB in Hardware Notes o [2003/10/16] docs/58111 doc Handbook 12.4.3 Rebuilding ATA RAID1 Arra o [2003/10/28] docs/58615 doc update for Vinum chapter of Handbook: des o [2003/10/30] docs/58710 doc killpg(2) contains an error regarding sen o [2003/11/07] docs/59044 doc doc.docbook.mk does not properly handle a o [2003/11/19] docs/59477 doc Outdated Info Documents at http://docs.fr o [2003/11/21] docs/59565 doc [PATCH] FAQ doesn't cover definition of g o [2003/11/24] docs/59649 doc Outdated 4.4BSD Documents at http://docs. o [2003/11/30] docs/59835 doc ipfw(8) man page does not warn about acce o [2003/12/23] docs/60529 doc resolver(5) man page is badly out of date o [2003/12/24] docs/60544 doc getenv(3) manpage doesn't state the retur o [2004/01/08] docs/61070 doc Installation docs misleading: PResizer i o [2004/01/13] docs/61301 doc [patch] Manpage patch for aue(4) to enabl o [2004/01/21] docs/61667 doc Obsolete documentation on FreeBSD PnP o [2004/01/25] docs/61859 doc Incorrect informaiton about trace command o [2004/01/25] docs/61878 doc LSI megaraid 150-x cards not included in o [2004/02/04] docs/62364 doc Misleading information in the handbook o [2004/02/05] docs/62402 doc easily circumventable Blade150 problem o [2004/02/06] docs/62412 doc one of the diskless boot methods describe o [2004/02/12] docs/62719 doc cross-reference pccardd and devd o [2004/02/12] docs/62724 doc host(1) manpage does not include informat o [2004/02/16] docs/62914 doc Reference development(7) in other parts o o [2004/02/22] docs/63215 doc Wrong prototypes in mi_switch(9) (ref doc o [2004/03/03] docs/63676 doc [patch] Fix some tag errors. o [2004/03/03] docs/63719 doc lptcontrol(8) manpage omits -s from a lis o [2004/03/05] docs/63808 doc No manpage for devfs.conf f [2004/03/16] docs/64342 doc Assumed content of PATH is not defined in o [2004/03/27] docs/64807 doc Handbook section on NAT incomplete o [2004/04/02] docs/65065 doc improper language ntpd man pages o [2004/04/13] docs/65477 doc Installation Instruction fail to mention o [2004/04/14] docs/65530 doc minor improvement to getgrent.3 o [2004/04/22] docs/65895 doc incorrect "omshell" link in "dhclient" ma o [2004/04/26] docs/65988 doc incorrect references to ppp.conf in handb o [2004/04/29] docs/66091 doc ppp(8) docs out-of-date for -CURRENT o [2004/05/04] docs/66264 doc [patch] libexec/rtld/rtld.1 typo fixes no o [2004/05/04] docs/66265 doc [patch] Document what -f and LD_TRACE_LOA o [2004/05/05] docs/66296 doc [patch] contrib/amd/amq/amq.8 uses log_op o [2004/05/07] docs/66343 doc unlisted supported card on man page for w o [2004/05/09] docs/66426 doc handbook update (desktop section): web br o [2004/05/10] docs/66483 doc [patch] share/man/man4/csa.4 grammar nits o [2004/05/17] docs/66768 doc 4_RELENG share/man/man4/ng_one2many.4 MFC o [2004/05/17] docs/66770 doc [patch] share/man/man4/ng_pppoe.4 tyops, o [2004/05/17] docs/66775 doc Clarification that port names should not o [2004/05/23] docs/67078 doc [patch] MFC of a rtld(1) man page is inco f [2004/06/10] docs/67806 doc Let 5.x users know how to boot into singl o [2004/06/13] docs/67893 doc boot.8's -m description is insufficient. o [2004/06/28] docs/68453 doc [patch] rc.subr.8 o [2004/07/02] docs/68606 doc Porter's Handbook: document how to write o [2004/07/07] docs/68746 doc Virtual hosts documentaion doesn't make c o [2004/07/09] docs/68843 doc Dates on rc.subr(8) & rc(8) are whack. o [2004/07/09] docs/68845 doc The .At macro produces unexpected results o [2004/07/15] docs/69086 doc Porters Handbook: How to convert from CR/ o [2004/07/19] docs/69271 doc Porter's Handbook: hint on proper pkg-mes o [2004/07/21] docs/69383 doc disklabel = bsdlabel in 5.X or later o [2004/08/01] docs/69861 doc [patch] usr.bin/csplit/csplit.1 does not o [2004/08/01] docs/69886 doc [PATCH] s/&url.main;/&url.base;/g in Ital o [2004/08/01] docs/69887 doc [PATCH] s/&url.main;/&url.base;/g in Ital o [2004/08/03] docs/69968 doc minor clarification in mac glossary o [2004/08/04] docs/70005 doc [PATCH] Contradictory section in Handbook o [2004/08/07] docs/70124 doc [PATCH] add note about cvsup 147 problems total. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 11:40:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1EB16A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:40:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dragonfly.sitetronics.com (gibsonnet.demon.nl [82.161.57.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9096243D55 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:40:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dodell@dragonfly.sitetronics.com) Received: from dragonfly.sitetronics.com (dragonfly.sitetronics.com [127.0.0.1])i79BeSW3001638; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:40:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dodell@dragonfly.sitetronics.com) Received: (from dodell@localhost)i79BeSBF001637; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:40:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dodell) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:40:28 +0200 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: Glenn Sieb Message-ID: <20040809114028.GA1619@sitetronics.com> References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> <20040809084817.GW87690@submonkey.net> <41175240.5040709@wingfoot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41175240.5040709@wingfoot.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:40:44 -0000 --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glenn Sieb scribbled: > Ceri Davies said the following on 8/9/2004 4:48 AM: >=20 > >I'm assuming you failed math. >=20 > Thanks--love you too! Okay, this is getting really ridiculous, and the statement is false. It would be rather simple to figure out which syscalls FreeBSD was unable to translate and thereby make a certain piece of software fail to run on FreeBSD. For instance, there are certain socket options in Linux that are not avaialble on FreeBSD and cannot be emulated. Software that makes use of these options will _not_ run on FreeBSD. Simply, there's no way to verify the statement and it should be viewed as false. All Linux binaries will _not_ run on FreeBSD and the statement: code(FreeBSD) + code(Linux) is therefore moot. This is assuming all Linux binaries will work on FreeBSD (and also ignores the fact that it's only the binaries that FreeBSD will run -- there is certainly less code written for FreeBSD than there is for Linux -- take a look at the patchfiles in ports some day). Glenn: They're making the assumption that all Linux binaries will work on FreeBSD. A more accurate statement would be: FreeBSD_Compilable_Code + FreeBSD_Binaries + FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) > Binaries(Linux) You can't blindly make this statement, however, without first proving the following: Binaries(Linux) - FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) < FreeBSD_Compilable_code + FreeBSD_Binaries. Now, once you factor in the SVR4 compatibility and others, this statement gets exceedingly difficult to make. When somebody wants to audit the amount of binaries that will run on FreeBSD and get a number, let me know. Also, it's interesting to note that OpenBSD will do the same -- it has Linux syscall translation as well -- it will also run FreeBSD binaries. Does this mean that OpenBSD has a conceviably larger amount of binaries that will run on it than FreeBSD? Until this statement can be quantified, I think the best solution is to just take out the assumed / subjective / non-factual content and place something that is known to be true. Ceri: The last post was rather uncalled for. Should I assume the same of you because your proof was invalid? These kinds of pissing contests are really what's getting FreeBSD in a lot of trouble these days. --=20 Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell | dodell@sitetronics.com Key: 4D3D8CA7 | IRC: dho@freenode/dho@efnet --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBF2Kr9y+/hU09jKcRAupzAJ9AlzFzZinGeNF6S2Eo1uol3PJa7ACdGv1r u39Giq2voxRXn8uhx2CylXI= =/GrF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 11:51:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D54916A4CE; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:51:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D28E43D39; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:51:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roam@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (roam@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i79BpvJn087370; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:51:57 GMT (envelope-from roam@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from roam@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i79BpvHs087366; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:51:57 GMT (envelope-from roam) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:51:57 GMT From: Peter Pentchev Message-Id: <200408091151.i79BpvHs087366@freefall.freebsd.org> To: danfe@regency.nsu.ru, roam@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/69086: Porters Handbook: How to convert from CR/LF to LF using REINPLACE_CMD X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:51:58 -0000 Synopsis: Porters Handbook: How to convert from CR/LF to LF using REINPLACE_CMD State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: roam State-Changed-When: Mon Aug 9 11:51:43 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: Committed with slight modifications. Thanks for the patch! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=69086 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 12:01:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D00F16A5C8; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:01:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDB243D1D; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:01:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roam@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (roam@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i79C1M1Z088050; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:01:22 GMT (envelope-from roam@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from roam@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i79C1M1h088046; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:01:22 GMT (envelope-from roam) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:01:22 GMT From: Peter Pentchev Message-Id: <200408091201.i79C1M1h088046@freefall.freebsd.org> To: daved@tamu.edu, roam@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/68746: Virtual hosts documentaion doesn't make clear issues with netmask on adding aliases. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:01:22 -0000 Synopsis: Virtual hosts documentaion doesn't make clear issues with netmask on adding aliases. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: roam State-Changed-When: Mon Aug 9 12:00:58 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: I've committed a patch emphasizing the need for an all-ones netmask on "secondary" addresses. Thanks for bringing this up! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=68746 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 12:07:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A2316A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:07:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E71E43D58 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:07:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bu8vu-000H9y-OV; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:07:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:07:18 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: "Devon H. O'Dell" Message-ID: <20040809120718.GY87690@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , "Devon H. O'Dell" , Glenn Sieb , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> <20040809084817.GW87690@submonkey.net> <41175240.5040709@wingfoot.org> <20040809114028.GA1619@sitetronics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7PAM/4G1BR2SfWzg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040809114028.GA1619@sitetronics.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:07:21 -0000 --7PAM/4G1BR2SfWzg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 01:40:28PM +0200, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > Okay, this is getting really ridiculous, and the statement is false. It > would be rather simple to figure out which syscalls FreeBSD was unable > to translate and thereby make a certain piece of software fail to run on > FreeBSD. For instance, there are certain socket options in Linux that > are not avaialble on FreeBSD and cannot be emulated. Software that makes > use of these options will _not_ run on FreeBSD. Firstly, I'll note that the article is talking about BSD, not FreeBSD. > A more accurate statement would be: >=20 > FreeBSD_Compilable_Code + FreeBSD_Binaries + FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) > > Binaries(Linux) >=20 > You can't blindly make this statement, however, without first proving > the following: >=20 > Binaries(Linux) - FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) < FreeBSD_Compilable_code + > FreeBSD_Binaries. >=20 > Now, once you factor in the SVR4 compatibility and others, this > statement gets exceedingly difficult to make. When somebody wants to > audit the amount of binaries that will run on FreeBSD and get a number, > let me know. Since SVR4 gets bundled on the right hand side of the equation above, along with BSDI, IBCS2, Interactive Unix, SCO Unix, SCO Xenix, and Solaris (this selection just from the i386 NetBSD port and excluding other free BSDs), the statement becomes slightly easier to make, I think. > Also, it's interesting to note that OpenBSD will do the same -- it has > Linux syscall translation as well -- it will also run FreeBSD binaries. > Does this mean that OpenBSD has a conceviably larger amount of binaries > that will run on it than FreeBSD? Well, yes. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --7PAM/4G1BR2SfWzg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQFBF2j2ocfcwTS3JF8RArVlAJ4mvUCdINY868nKDePSIiZe6S9F+wCYq+ga Ra15n033gninwWqCNvoAlw== =SE5E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7PAM/4G1BR2SfWzg-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 12:35:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07D716A4CE; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:35:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A154F43D3F; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:35:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roam@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (roam@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i79CZ77A096723; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:35:07 GMT (envelope-from roam@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from roam@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i79CZ7xa096719; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:35:07 GMT (envelope-from roam) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:35:07 GMT From: Peter Pentchev Message-Id: <200408091235.i79CZ7xa096719@freefall.freebsd.org> To: roam@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, tjr@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/69861: [patch] usr.bin/csplit/csplit.1 does not document POSIX behavior. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:35:07 -0000 Synopsis: [patch] usr.bin/csplit/csplit.1 does not document POSIX behavior. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->tjr Responsible-Changed-By: roam Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 9 12:34:08 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: This should be a no-brainer, but still turn it over to Tim, who should know best - after all, he implemented our csplit(1) utility :) Thanks for noticing this and letting us know. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=69861 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 12:40:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024B116A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:40:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3ADC43D1D for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:40:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i79CeRoa097123 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:40:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i79CeRw5097120; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:40:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:40:27 GMT Message-Id: <200408091240.i79CeRw5097120@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Peter Pentchev Subject: Re: docs/66775: Clarification that port names should not contain version numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Peter Pentchev List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:40:28 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/66775; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Peter Pentchev To: Aasmund Eikli Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/66775: Clarification that port names should not contain version numbers Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:31:08 +0300 On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 09:00:45PM +0000, Aasmund Eikli wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/66775; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Aasmund Eikli > To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org > Cc: > Subject: Re: docs/66775: Clarification that port names should not contain > version numbers > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:52:16 +0200 > > Doc diffs to reflect suggestions: > > --- article.sgml Tue Jul 27 16:34:49 2004 > +++ article.sgml Sat Jul 31 15:35:56 2004 > @@ -2418,7 +2418,9 @@ > > Upgrade the copied port to the new version > (remember > to change the PORTNAME so there > - are not duplicate ports with the same name). > + are not duplicate ports with the same name). > + Alternatively, change LATEST_LINK > + depending on the purpose. > I think that 'remmeber to change the PORTNAME' and 'change LATEST_LINK' clauses should be at the same level of "nesting" (parenthesized or not) to avoid confusion - this way, it might seem that changing LATEST_LINK is an alternative to upgrading the port :) How about something like this instead? Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.207 diff -u -r1.207 article.sgml --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:53 -0000 1.207 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml 9 Aug 2004 12:21:10 -0000 @@ -2431,9 +2431,10 @@ - Upgrade the copied port to the new version (remember - to change the PORTNAME so there - are not duplicate ports with the same name). + Upgrade the copied port to the new version. Remember + to change either the PORTNAME or + the LATEST_LINK variable so there + are not duplicate ports with the same name. > --- book.sgml Sat Jul 31 15:40:21 2004 > +++ book.sgml Sat Jul 31 15:52:11 2004 > @@ -1064,7 +1064,10 @@ > Data::Dumper module becomes > p5-Data-Dumper. If the software in question > has numbers, hyphens, or underscores in its name, you may > include > - them as well (like kinput2). > + them as well (like kinput2). > + Make sure that the PORTNAME variable and the > + PORTVERSION variable contains the name ITYM 'contain' here, since both variables form the sentence subject :) > and the > + version number of the port respectively. You should not mix > the two. A minor point, but I've gathered the impression that two spaces are preferred before the start of a new sentence. How about this? Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/dcvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.476 diff -u -r1.476 book.sgml --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml 9 Aug 2004 11:51:37 -0000 1.476 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml 9 Aug 2004 12:29:31 -0000 @@ -1071,7 +1071,11 @@ Data::Dumper module becomes p5-Data-Dumper. If the software in question has numbers, hyphens, or underscores in its name, you may include - them as well (like kinput2). + them as well (like kinput2). Make sure that + the PORTNAME and + PORTVERSION variables contain the name and + the version of the port respectively. You should not mix the + two. Thanks for your work on this :) G'luck, Peter -- Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@cnsys.bg roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 12:58:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED3C16A4CE; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:58:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A89043D48; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:58:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roam@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (roam@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i79CwMht097641; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:58:22 GMT (envelope-from roam@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from roam@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i79CwMmd097637; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:58:22 GMT (envelope-from roam) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:58:22 GMT From: Peter Pentchev Message-Id: <200408091258.i79CwMmd097637@freefall.freebsd.org> To: marju@bsd.ee, roam@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/70005: [PATCH] Contradictory section in Handbook(config) at 11.12.1.1 vfs.vmiodirenable - proposal to change wording X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:58:22 -0000 Synopsis: [PATCH] Contradictory section in Handbook(config) at 11.12.1.1 vfs.vmiodirenable - proposal to change wording State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: roam State-Changed-When: Mon Aug 9 12:58:06 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: Committed with minor modifications, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=70005 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 13:01:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1570116A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:01:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fillmore.dyndns.org (port-212-202-50-15.dynamic.qsc.de [212.202.50.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48C243D5A for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:01:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eikemeier@fillmore-labs.com) Received: from dhcp-14.local ([172.16.0.14] helo=dhcp-11.local) by fillmore.dyndns.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bu9mb-000P5t-JV; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:01:48 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:03:19 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) To: Aasmund Eikli From: Oliver Eikemeier In-Reply-To: <200407312100.i6VL0jPV076107@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-Id: <7C3377DA-EA04-11D8-9C56-00039312D914@fillmore-labs.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: KMail/1.5.9 cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/66775: Clarification that port names should not contain version numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:01:49 -0000 Aasmund Eikli wrote: > Doc diffs to reflect suggestions: > > --- article.sgml Tue Jul 27 16:34:49 2004 > +++ article.sgml Sat Jul 31 15:35:56 2004 > @@ -2418,7 +2418,9 @@ > > Upgrade the copied port to the new version > (remember > to change the PORTNAME so > there > - are not duplicate ports with the same > name). > + are not duplicate ports with the same name). > + Alternatively, change > LATEST_LINK > + depending on the purpose. > > > I would prefer suggesting to change LATEST_LINK only, and PORTNAME only in rare cases. The reader might get the impression that `apache-1.3' and `apache-2.0' have the same name, although they don't. > --- book.sgml Sat Jul 31 15:40:21 2004 > +++ book.sgml Sat Jul 31 15:52:11 2004 > @@ -1064,7 +1064,10 @@ > Data::Dumper module becomes > p5-Data-Dumper. If the software in > question > has numbers, hyphens, or underscores in its name, you may > include > - them as well (like kinput2). > + them as well (like kinput2). > + Make sure that the PORTNAME variable > and the > + PORTVERSION variable contains the name > and the > + version number of the port respectively. You should not mix > the two. > Same here. Perhaps `The version number should not be part of PORTNAME (like apache-2.0), except when the original distribution explicitly name it that way (like libxml2-2.6).' -Oliver From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 13:12:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D66B16A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:12:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gandalf.online.bg (gandalf.online.bg [217.75.128.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E15F43D49 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:12:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roam@ringlet.net) Received: (qmail 30889 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 13:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO straylight.m.ringlet.net) (217.75.134.254) by gandalf.online.bg with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 13:06:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 8463 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Aug 2004 13:12:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:12:13 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: algol@nadinde.org Message-ID: <20040809131213.GB2150@straylight.m.ringlet.net> Mail-Followup-To: algol@nadinde.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <200408041947.i74Jlnmk084892@mmm2602.sbc-webhosting.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200408041947.i74Jlnmk084892@mmm2602.sbc-webhosting.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: translation on georgian X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:12:16 -0000 --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 03:47:49PM -0400, algol@nadinde.org wrote: > Hello > I've translated some docs on Georgian language. There is no > Georgian Translation Project. how about to create it? > Best regards. > Nick Nickabadze Whoo, the FDP in another language! It's always great to see more people interested in translating the docs - welcome! There are basically four steps to starting a FreeBSD documentation translation project, and the fun part is that most of them are optional :) 0. Check http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/translations.html to see if somebody's already working in your language - looks like you've done your homework ;) 1. Find a couple of people interested in translating the docs to your language - and I'm pretty sure that most translating projects have started with just one, like you :) 2. Put up a website or a mailing list describing what has been translated so far, what is being translated right now, and who is doing it - this is mainly for your own convenience, but it might also work out in your favor: if people stumble onto this page, they just might decide to join and help you! 3. If you've put up a website or a mailing list, send a patch to www@ (preferably using send-pr/GNATS) to add info about your project to the www/en/docproj/translations.sgml file. If there is no list or site yet, you can still put in a blurb about your project with just your e-mail address in there. 4. Do the actual translation! Yeah, looks like you can't get by without this part... 5. Put up your translated documents in a tarball of some sort on a website somewhere and send an e-mail to doc@ (or www@, if you are translating the website) with the tarball location, so we can check it into the Project's CVS repository :) 6. Profi... oops sorry, wrong list! :P I think that only points 0, 4 and 5 are 'mandatory', and you seem to have already done 0 and at least part of 4 - and in the words of Meatloaf, "two out of three ain't bad" :) So once again, welcome, and keep up the good work! G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@cnsys.bg roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 This sentence contains exactly threee erors. --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBF3gt7Ri2jRYZRVMRAq/qAJ9txNTXO3zenoFiNQsmlkfEcRi2OgCgptt8 DLq2GrVepWhnuYF19E4HHXc= =Dpd6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 13:43:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B6616A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:43:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gandalf.online.bg (gandalf.online.bg [217.75.128.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0731D43D2D for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:43:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roam@ringlet.net) Received: (qmail 12573 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 13:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO straylight.m.ringlet.net) (217.75.134.254) by gandalf.online.bg with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 13:37:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 9908 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Aug 2004 13:43:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:43:20 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: Marco Trentini Message-ID: <20040809134320.GC2150@straylight.m.ringlet.net> Mail-Followup-To: Marco Trentini , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20040806110848.GC704@vaio.lab> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040806110848.GC704@vaio.lab> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Lowercase attribute names [Was: Re: small fix in the new-users article] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:43:26 -0000 --dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:08:48PM +0200, Marco Trentini wrote: >=20 > In the last commit I've noted URL in upper case. It seems that both and are valid, and both of them are used quite often throughout the whole articles/ and books/ directories. According to "DocBook: The Definitive Guide", in SGML DocBook all element and attribute names are case-insensitive, so it's okay to keep them that way. However, Norman Walsch does warn that lowercase names should be used for XML DocBook. I'm not sure what the FreeBSD Documentation Project's stance is on XML compatibility and on eventually moving to XML DocBook; if this is the goal, then at some point we should do a search-and-replace over most of the project's documents, since there are quite a few URL=3D".." attributes all over the place. What do people think about that? G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@cnsys.bg roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 The rest of this sentence is written in Thailand, on --dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBF3947Ri2jRYZRVMRAu+yAJ9SnQZuGKlkWxy2iWkSB8bPMbRkAwCfbcjR urPA3RC1ct9YR8FGwRaAQrs= =K3S9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 14:19:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB9F16A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:19:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D708E43D31 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:19:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i79EJs2b082914 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:19:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i79EJsts082913 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:19:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:19:54 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040809141954.GA78399@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20040806110848.GC704@vaio.lab> <20040809134320.GC2150@straylight.m.ringlet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040809134320.GC2150@straylight.m.ringlet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE Subject: Re: Lowercase attribute names [Was: Re: small fix in the new-users article] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:19:58 -0000 --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 04:43:20PM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:08:48PM +0200, Marco Trentini wrote: > >=20 > > In the last commit I've noted URL in upper case. >=20 > It seems that both and are valid, > and both of them are used quite often throughout the whole articles/ > and books/ directories. According to "DocBook: The Definitive Guide", > in SGML DocBook all element and attribute names are case-insensitive, so > it's okay to keep them that way. > Always read the FDP first :) All attribute examples use lower cases; the lowercase need is not mentioned but examples can be used as information regarding the "right way." Nowadays, "quite all" *ML things use lowercase for attributes. > However, Norman Walsch does warn that lowercase names should be used for > XML DocBook. I'm not sure what the FreeBSD Documentation Project's > stance is on XML compatibility and on eventually moving to XML DocBook; > if this is the goal, then at some point we should do a search-and-replace > over most of the project's documents, since there are quite a few > URL=3D".." attributes all over the place. What do people think about tha= t? >=20 Well we should be consistent in our code, just to prevent someone to think uppercase is what to use. Since there are few "guilty" attributes, it should be fixed. Marc --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBF4gJ81T1MWxkgcoRAm1gAJ441RhGnHC3mrAIcuEVJ6hpr3sFMgCfQUSb ltnk99pPk+2Bny2MwGSlxVs= =hM3O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 14:53:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0917316A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:53:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gandalf.online.bg (gandalf.online.bg [217.75.128.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BD1743D41 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:53:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roam@ringlet.net) Received: (qmail 10348 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 14:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO straylight.m.ringlet.net) (217.75.134.254) by gandalf.online.bg with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 14:47:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 14142 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Aug 2004 14:53:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:53:34 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20040809145334.GD2150@straylight.m.ringlet.net> Mail-Followup-To: Marc Fonvieille , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20040806110848.GC704@vaio.lab> <20040809134320.GC2150@straylight.m.ringlet.net> <20040809141954.GA78399@abigail.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040809141954.GA78399@abigail.blackend.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lowercase attribute names [Was: Re: small fix in the new-users article] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:53:39 -0000 --VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 04:19:54PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 04:43:20PM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:08:48PM +0200, Marco Trentini wrote: > > >=20 > > > In the last commit I've noted URL in upper case. > >=20 > > It seems that both and are valid, > > and both of them are used quite often throughout the whole articles/ > > and books/ directories. According to "DocBook: The Definitive Guide", > > in SGML DocBook all element and attribute names are case-insensitive, so > > it's okay to keep them that way. > > >=20 > Always read the FDP first :) > All attribute examples use lower cases; the lowercase need is not > mentioned but examples can be used as information regarding the "right > way." Nowadays, "quite all" *ML things use lowercase for attributes. > > > However, Norman Walsch does warn that lowercase names should be used for > > XML DocBook. I'm not sure what the FreeBSD Documentation Project's > > stance is on XML compatibility and on eventually moving to XML DocBook; > > if this is the goal, then at some point we should do a search-and-repla= ce > > over most of the project's documents, since there are quite a few > > URL=3D".." attributes all over the place. What do people think about t= hat? >=20 > Well we should be consistent in our code, just to prevent someone to > think uppercase is what to use. Since there are few "guilty" attributes,= it > should be fixed. I think I may have misphrased my e-mail a bit :) IMHO, all elements and attributes should be lowercase, be it for standards compliance or simply for readability. Still, I wondered if there was some reason for the fact that nobody has changed the uppercase URL attributes to lowercase - either nobody had noticed (apparently that seems to be the case), or they were indeed acceptable and there was no need to change them. So... it would be okay for me to sweep the docs tree and change all element and attribute names (mostly ulink URL) to lowercase? G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@cnsys.bg roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 I am jealous of the first word in this sentence. --VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBF4/u7Ri2jRYZRVMRAkkiAJ4o383qbJDHPSCRsr4I77EbS7PGjwCbBKYT 8y3vvcooBkQlVICf9V/S9OU= =xHdO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 15:40:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D5916A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:40:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241FB43D2D for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:40:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i79FeO8k019275 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:40:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i79FeO1C019274; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:40:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:40:24 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200408091540.i79FeO1C019274@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Leonard Zettel Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878E516A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:38:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zettel.us (bgp966574bgs.derbrn01.mi.comcast.net [68.41.108.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898C743D3F for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:38:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from root@zettel.us) Received: from zettel.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zettel.us (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i79Ffi5f000274 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:41:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from root@zettel.us) Received: (from root@localhost) by zettel.us (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i79Ffik8000273; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:41:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from root) Message-Id: <200408091541.i79Ffik8000273@zettel.us> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:41:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Leonard Zettel To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/70217: Suggested rewrite of docproj/sgml.sgml X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Leonard Zettel List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:40:24 -0000 >Number: 70217 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Suggested rewrite of docproj/sgml.sgml >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Aug 09 15:40:23 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Leonard Zettel >Release: FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD zettel.us 4.10-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE #0: Tue May 25 22:47:12 GMT 2004 root@perseus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >Description: >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- sgml_diff begins here --- --- sgml.sgml_original Tue Aug 3 13:01:34 2004 +++ sgml.sgml Tue Aug 3 13:50:32 2004 @@ -15,26 +15,25 @@ Language.

In a nutshell (and apologies to any SGML purists in the audience that - are offended) SGML is a language for writing other languages.

+ are offended) SGML is a language for describing the writing of other + languages.

-

You have probably already used SGML, but you did not know it. HTML, the - language that web pages are written in, has a formal description. That - description is written in SGML. When you are writing HTML you are - not writing SGML (per se), but you are using a language that is +

You have probably already used SGML, but did not know it. HTML, the + language used to write web pages, has a formal description written in + SGML. When you are writing HTML you are + not writing SGML (per se), but are using a language defined using SGML.

-

There are many, many markup languages that are defined using SGML. HTML - is one of them. Another is called "LinuxDoc". As you can probably guess, - it was originally created by the Linux documentation group to write - their documentation, and the FreeBSD Documentation Project adopted it as - well.

- -

Another markup language defined using SGML is called "DocBook". This - is a language designed specifically for writing technical - documentation, and as such it has many tags (the things inside the - <...>) to describe technical documentation related things.

+

Another language defined using SGML is "LinuxDoc". Originally + created by the Linux documentation group, it was also adopted by the + FreeBSD Documentation Project.

+ +

The SGML defined language "DocBook" is designed specifically for + writing technical documentation, and as such it has many tags + (the things inside the <...>) describing technical + documentation related things.

-

For example, this is how you might write a brief paragraph in HTML +

For example, consider this paragraph in HTML (do not worry about the content, just look at the tags):

adduser.
 ]]>
-

As you can see, DocBook is much more 'expressive' than HTML. In the HTML - example the filename is marked up as being displayed in a 'typewriter' - font. In the DocBook example the filename is marked up as being a - 'filename', the presentation of the filename is not described.

+

In HTML the filename is marked up as being displayed in a 'typewriter' + font. In DocBook the filename is marked up as being a + 'filename'. The presentation rules for a filename would be + described elsewhere.

-

There are a number of advantages to this more expressive form of - markup:

+

There are advantages to this more expressive form of markup:

  • It is not ambiguous or inconsistent.

    You do not spend time thinking "Hmm, I need to show a filename, should I use 'tt', or 'b', - or 'em'?"

    Instead, you just use the right tag for the right - job.

    - -

    The conversion process from DocBook to other formats (HTML, - PostScript®, and so on) makes sure that all <filename>'s are - shown the same way.

    + or 'em'?" but just use the right tag for the job. + The conversion process from DocBook to other formats (HTML, + PostScript®, and so on) makes sure that all <filename>'s + are shown the same way.

  • You stop thinking about the presentation of your document, and instead concentrate on the content.

    • -

  • Because the documentation is not tied to any particular output - format, the same documentation can be produced in many different - formats - plain text, HTML, PostScript, RTF, PDF and so on.

    • +

  • Because it is not tied to any particular format, the same + documentation can be produced in many different formats - + plain text, HTML, PostScript, RTF, PDF etc.

  • The documentation is more 'intelligent', so more intelligent things can be done with it. For example, it becomes possible to - automatically produce an index of the documentation that lists every + automatically produce an index that lists every command shown in the documentation.

-

If you are familiar with them, this is a bit like Microsoft® Word +

This is a bit like Microsoft® Word stylesheets, only vastly more powerful.

-

Of course, with this power comes a price;

+

Of course, this power comes at a price;

  • Because the number of tags you can use is much larger, it takes @@ -102,59 +98,61 @@

Right now, the Project is still using LinuxDoc for the Handbook and the - FAQ. That's changing, and in particular there's a project underway - to convert the documentation to DocBook.

+ FAQ. That's changing; there's a project underway + to convert to DocBook.

What if you don't know LinuxDoc/DocBook? Can you still contribute?

Yes you can. Quite definitely. Any documentation is better than no - documentation. If you've got some documentation to contribute and it's + documentation. If you've got documentation to contribute and it's not marked up in LinuxDoc or DocBook, don't worry.

Submit the documentation as normal. Someone else on the Project will grab your committed documentation, mark it up for you, and commit it. With a bit of luck - they'll then send you the marked up text back. This is handy because you + they'll send you the marked up text back. This is handy because you can do a "before and after" shot of the plain documentation and the - marked up stuff, and hopefully learn a bit more about the markup in the + marked up stuff, and hopefully learn a bit more about markup in the process.

-

Obviously, this slows down the committing process, since your submitted - documentation needs to be marked up, which may take an evening or too. - But it will get committed.

+

This slows the committing process, since your documentation needs + to be marked up, which may take an evening or two. + But it will get committed.

More information about SGML and DocBook?

-

You should first read the Documentation Project - Primer. This aims to be a comprehensive explanation of - everything you need to know in order to work with the FreeBSD - documentation.

+

First read the + Documentation Project Primer, intended to be a + comprehensive explanation of everything you need to know + in order to work with the FreeBSD documentation.

-

This is a long document, split in to many smaller files. You can +

This is a long document, split into many smaller files. You can also view it as one large file.

http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/sgml-xml.html
+ href="http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/sgml-xml.html"> + http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/sgml-xml.html

The SGML/XML web page. Includes countless pointers to more information about SGML.

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/tools/tutorials/html2.0/gentle.html
+ href="http://www-sul.stanford.edu/tools/tutorials/html2.0/gentle.html"> + http://www-sul.stanford.edu/tools/tutorials/html2.0/gentle.html -

The "Gentle Introduction to SGML". Recommended reading for anyone - who wants to learn more about SGML from a beginners +

The "Gentle Introduction to SGML". Recommended for anyone + who wants to learn more about SGML from a beginner's perspective.

http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/
-

The DocBook DTD is maintained by OASIS. These pages are aimed +

The DocBook Document Type Definition (DTD) is maintained by OASIS. These pages are aimed at users who are already comfortable with SGML, and who want to learn DocBook.

--- sgml_diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 16:01:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE3116A4CE; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:01:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1614D43D48; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:01:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i79G1D4H084383; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:01:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i79G18QZ084382; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:01:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:01:08 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Dirk Bajohr Message-ID: <20040809160108.GB78399@abigail.blackend.org> References: <057422BE-EA1B-11D8-8BC6-000A95746686@isolution.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <057422BE-EA1B-11D8-8BC6-000A95746686@isolution.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CD and DVD sets FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:01:17 -0000 On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 05:44:38PM +0200, Dirk Bajohr wrote: > Dear Sirs, > We have a new online shop and sell FreeBSD CD sets to (German) > customers. Is it possible to get an entry with a hyperlink at your > website > (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ > mirrors.html#MIRRORS-CDROM)? I could send you all the shop details > (contact information and URL). Are there any requirements to get an > entry? > We need the same informations you can see on the mentioned page for other retailers. And of course a link to check you really sell FreeBSD CDs sets. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 16:24:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E23216A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:24:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from redqueen.elvandar.org (cust.94.120.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.94.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C74C43D3F for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:24:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from [10.0.2.122] (nimrod.elvandar.intranet [10.0.2.122]) by redqueen.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3D410685E; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:24:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4117A538.10200@elvandar.org> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:24:24 +0200 From: Remko Lodder X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Pentchev References: <200408041947.i74Jlnmk084892@mmm2602.sbc-webhosting.com> <20040809131213.GB2150@straylight.m.ringlet.net> In-Reply-To: <20040809131213.GB2150@straylight.m.ringlet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at elvandar.org cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: algol@nadinde.org Subject: Re: translation on georgian X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:24:28 -0000 > > 1. Find a couple of people interested in translating the docs to your > language - and I'm pretty sure that most translating projects have > started with just one, like you :) Like the Dutch Translation team did, it started with one, now we have many more, i regularly send out a status update through the freebsd-status-report facility, and people come to us to help. Try that as well :) > > 2. Put up a website or a mailing list describing what has been > translated so far, what is being translated right now, and who is > doing it - this is mainly for your own convenience, but it might also > work out in your favor: if people stumble onto this page, they just > might decide to join and help you! Indeed, that's what we also did on FreeBSD-Doc-NL. We have a website (my website, i am not going to spam it but if you insist search for my name ("Remko Lodder") on the internet and it's the one you cannot miss ;) or checkout the translations section or recent status-reports ;)), we have cvs (local managed by me, but it's visible what the changes are, try starting that early so you can show the world what you are doing, since i started too late:(, and we have a mailinglist, that makes it easier to communicate. We have a FAQ (a dutch one and a english one), and we tend to have updates every 2 weeks (to give people time to update some stuff etc). It really works :) > > 3. If you've put up a website or a mailing list, send a patch to www@ > (preferably using send-pr/GNATS) to add info about your project to > the www/en/docproj/translations.sgml file. If there is no list or > site yet, you can still put in a blurb about your project with just > your e-mail address in there. Like i did, again the status-report will also workout fine besides that, also having example documentation ready is a great pre. > > 4. Do the actual translation! Yeah, looks like you can't get by without > this part... It's best if you can show others that you already have somethings under 'development' so that they know that you are serious.. > > 5. Put up your translated documents in a tarball of some sort on a > website somewhere and send an e-mail to doc@ (or www@, if you are > translating the website) with the tarball location, so we can check > it into the Project's CVS repository :) That might be possible, or ask on the doc@ mailinglist of someone wants to guide you and checkup documentation if you have some ready... Since the initial steps are the checks for SGML , layout and such... > > > I think that only points 0, 4 and 5 are 'mandatory', and you seem to > have already done 0 and at least part of 4 - and in the words of > Meatloaf, "two out of three ain't bad" :) So once again, welcome, and > keep up the good work! Indeed, if you need help, or need facilities, i can perhaps host some simple things (like a mailinglist and some CMS based page on which you can give a status report and such), but that would be totally up to you, you are free to choose :), other questions ? Ask them here!! > > G'luck, > Peter > Cheers :-) -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder |remko@elvandar.org Reporter DSINet |remko@dsinet.org Projectleader Mostly-Harmless |remko@mostly-harmless.nl From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 16:52:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A0916A4CE; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:52:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [222.146.51.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB35D43D31; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:52:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p27072-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [219.161.180.72]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FF61B5C; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:52:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i79GpgA2071063; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:51:42 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:51:09 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040810.015109.00407129.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: den@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <4117148F.5010303@FreeBSD.org> References: <4110CB82.8000204@FreeBSD.org> <20040807.043147.99822694.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <4117148F.5010303@FreeBSD.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.65 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Tue_Aug_10_01_51_09_2004_754)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [patch] SP_ENCODING support in doc.docbook.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:52:02 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Aug_10_01_51_09_2004_754)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Denis, Denis Peplin wrote in <4117148F.5010303@FreeBSD.org>: den> Yes, having something in /share/mk is good idea :) Committed. Sorry if I crossed ru_RU.KOI8-R people's work, but I added ru_RU.KOI8-R/share/mk/doc.local.mk, too. -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Aug_10_01_51_09_2004_754)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBF6uATyzT2CeTzy0RAlaJAKCWJrhSLuy30ZT/6SDvCWjf1VazyACg0ca0 DwYmvrwmSfPnHOgRwv4nxYM= =ZDQC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Tue_Aug_10_01_51_09_2004_754)---- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 17:08:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AD316A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:08:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [195.170.0.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB3743D41 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:08:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])i79H8PfM007441; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:08:27 +0300 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) i79H8N1B046107; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:08:23 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)i79H8Naf046106; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:08:23 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:08:23 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Peter Pentchev Message-ID: <20040809170823.GA29688@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <200408091240.i79CeRw5097120@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200408091240.i79CeRw5097120@freefall.freebsd.org> cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/66775: Clarification that port names should not contain version numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:08:31 -0000 On 2004-08-09 12:40, Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 09:00:45PM +0000, Aasmund Eikli wrote: > > > > Upgrade the copied port to the new version (remember > > to change the PORTNAME so there > > - are not duplicate ports with the same name). > > + are not duplicate ports with the same name). > > + Alternatively, change LATEST_LINK > > + depending on the purpose. > > > > I think that 'remmeber to change the PORTNAME' and 'change LATEST_LINK' > clauses should be at the same level of "nesting" [...] > How about something like this instead? > > - Upgrade the copied port to the new version (remember > - to change the PORTNAME so there > - are not duplicate ports with the same name). > + Upgrade the copied port to the new version. Remember > + to change either the PORTNAME or > + the LATEST_LINK variable so there > + are not duplicate ports with the same name. Yep, this looks nice. If Aasmund doesn't have any objections or did not mean something different that I misunderstood, this is great. > > p5-Data-Dumper. If the software in question > > has numbers, hyphens, or underscores in its name, you may include > > - them as well (like kinput2). > > + them as well (like kinput2). > > + Make sure that the PORTNAME variable and the > > + PORTVERSION variable contains the name > > ITYM 'contain' here, since both variables form the sentence subject :) > > > + version number of the port respectively. You should not mix > > the two. > > A minor point, but I've gathered the impression that two spaces are > preferred before the start of a new sentence. How about this? Double vs. single space after punctuation is AFAIK a very common cause of many a religious war and lots of flames. "French spacing" with a single space character is preferred by those who either live in French speaking parts of the world or regularly use programs that are smart enough to present nicely typeset and/or copies of the documents they work on. My preference is for double spaces between sentences, but it's not too important; not important enough to force one of the two styles on others, anyway. In short, whatever suits your taste when you commit the text is fine but it would also be awesome if we (all the committers that have access to the doc/ tree) avoided committing stuff just to "fix" French spacing or to revert previous "fixes". > Data::Dumper module becomes > p5-Data-Dumper. If the software in question > has numbers, hyphens, or underscores in its name, you may include > - them as well (like kinput2). > + them as well (like kinput2). Make sure that > + the PORTNAME and > + PORTVERSION variables contain the name and > + the version of the port respectively. You should not mix the > + two. This is great, IMHO. > Thanks for your work on this :) Indeed. Thank you Aasmund! From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 17:12:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A3216A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:12:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6329043D5F for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:12:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i79HCbwb085555 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:12:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i79HCbH2085554 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:12:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:12:37 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040809171236.GC78399@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20040806110848.GC704@vaio.lab> <20040809134320.GC2150@straylight.m.ringlet.net> <20040809141954.GA78399@abigail.blackend.org> <20040809145334.GD2150@straylight.m.ringlet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3uo+9/B/ebqu+fSQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040809145334.GD2150@straylight.m.ringlet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE Subject: Re: Lowercase attribute names [Was: Re: small fix in the new-users article] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:12:40 -0000 --3uo+9/B/ebqu+fSQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 05:53:34PM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: >=20 > I think I may have misphrased my e-mail a bit :) IMHO, all elements and > attributes should be lowercase, be it for standards compliance or simply > for readability. Still, I wondered if there was some reason for the > fact that nobody has changed the uppercase URL attributes to lowercase - > either nobody had noticed (apparently that seems to be the case), or > they were indeed acceptable and there was no need to change them. > If you look at which docs use the uppercase scheme, you'll notice that they're not the actively maintained ones. > So... it would be okay for me to sweep the docs tree and change all > element and attribute names (mostly ulink URL) to lowercase? >=20 Since we may have to do it in future for compliance reasons, I think we should do it now. Marc --3uo+9/B/ebqu+fSQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBF7CD81T1MWxkgcoRAqyXAJ4kfkn6WAqKyBswQ6VV+/yAYuq4NACfYH/H szDbtD2i4PsaWmQSYW6rQGo= =XVFI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3uo+9/B/ebqu+fSQ-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 17:28:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F5E16A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:28:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA8343D46 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:28:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joel@automatvapen.se) Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 73C5D3849F; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:28:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C8338035; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:28:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [212.181.194.97] (t5o55p97.telia.com [212.181.194.97]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9BD37E49; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:28:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Joel Dahl To: Ceri Davies In-Reply-To: <20040809120718.GY87690@submonkey.net> References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org><41175240.5040709@wingfoot.org> <20040809114028.GA1619@sitetronics.com> <20040809120718.GY87690@submonkey.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1092072500.561.38.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:29:12 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:28:45 -0000 Mon 2004-08-09 klockan 14.07 skrev Ceri Davies: > On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 01:40:28PM +0200, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > > > Okay, this is getting really ridiculous, and the statement is false. It > > would be rather simple to figure out which syscalls FreeBSD was unable > > to translate and thereby make a certain piece of software fail to run on > > FreeBSD. For instance, there are certain socket options in Linux that > > are not avaialble on FreeBSD and cannot be emulated. Software that makes > > use of these options will _not_ run on FreeBSD. > > Firstly, I'll note that the article is talking about BSD, not FreeBSD. > > > A more accurate statement would be: > > > > FreeBSD_Compilable_Code + FreeBSD_Binaries + FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) > > > Binaries(Linux) > > > > You can't blindly make this statement, however, without first proving > > the following: > > > > Binaries(Linux) - FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) < FreeBSD_Compilable_code + > > FreeBSD_Binaries. > > > > Now, once you factor in the SVR4 compatibility and others, this > > statement gets exceedingly difficult to make. When somebody wants to > > audit the amount of binaries that will run on FreeBSD and get a number, > > let me know. > > Since SVR4 gets bundled on the right hand side of the equation above, > along with BSDI, IBCS2, Interactive Unix, SCO Unix, SCO Xenix, and > Solaris (this selection just from the i386 NetBSD port and excluding > other free BSDs), the statement becomes slightly easier to make, I > think. > > > Also, it's interesting to note that OpenBSD will do the same -- it has > > Linux syscall translation as well -- it will also run FreeBSD binaries. > > Does this mean that OpenBSD has a conceviably larger amount of binaries > > that will run on it than FreeBSD? > > Well, yes. > > Ceri Whoops, my intention was not to cause any hard feelings with my original question about the statement. I'm just trying to make our docs correct. :) As I see it, the statement can't be confirmed as true OR false, and should therefore be removed, if someone with commit privileges agree. To remove the "As a result, more software is available for BSD than for Linux." -part would be perfectly sufficient. :) -- regards, Joel Dahl From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 18:44:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E8D16A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:44:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail1.speakeasy.net (mail1.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA31943D5A for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:44:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 2671 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 18:44:55 -0000 Received: from dsl027-160-063.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Aug 2004 18:44:55 -0000 Received: from 10.50.40.208 (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i79IiDtN076097; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:44:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:39:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040809120718.GY87690@submonkey.net> <1092072500.561.38.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> In-Reply-To: <1092072500.561.38.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200408091339.40069.jhb@FreeBSD.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on server.baldwin.cx cc: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:44:56 -0000 On Monday 09 August 2004 01:29 pm, Joel Dahl wrote: > Mon 2004-08-09 klockan 14.07 skrev Ceri Davies: > > On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 01:40:28PM +0200, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > > > Okay, this is getting really ridiculous, and the statement is false. It > > > would be rather simple to figure out which syscalls FreeBSD was unable > > > to translate and thereby make a certain piece of software fail to run > > > on FreeBSD. For instance, there are certain socket options in Linux > > > that are not avaialble on FreeBSD and cannot be emulated. Software that > > > makes use of these options will _not_ run on FreeBSD. > > > > Firstly, I'll note that the article is talking about BSD, not FreeBSD. > > > > > A more accurate statement would be: > > > > > > FreeBSD_Compilable_Code + FreeBSD_Binaries + FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) > > > > Binaries(Linux) > > > > > > You can't blindly make this statement, however, without first proving > > > the following: > > > > > > Binaries(Linux) - FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) < FreeBSD_Compilable_code + > > > FreeBSD_Binaries. > > > > > > Now, once you factor in the SVR4 compatibility and others, this > > > statement gets exceedingly difficult to make. When somebody wants to > > > audit the amount of binaries that will run on FreeBSD and get a number, > > > let me know. > > > > Since SVR4 gets bundled on the right hand side of the equation above, > > along with BSDI, IBCS2, Interactive Unix, SCO Unix, SCO Xenix, and > > Solaris (this selection just from the i386 NetBSD port and excluding > > other free BSDs), the statement becomes slightly easier to make, I > > think. > > > > > Also, it's interesting to note that OpenBSD will do the same -- it has > > > Linux syscall translation as well -- it will also run FreeBSD binaries. > > > Does this mean that OpenBSD has a conceviably larger amount of binaries > > > that will run on it than FreeBSD? > > > > Well, yes. > > > > Ceri > > Whoops, my intention was not to cause any hard feelings with my original > question about the statement. I'm just trying to make our docs correct. > > :) > > As I see it, the statement can't be confirmed as true OR false, and > should therefore be removed, if someone with commit privileges agree. To > remove the "As a result, more software is available for BSD than for > Linux." -part would be perfectly sufficient. :) FWIW, it seems to me that the statement has more downside potential ("FREEBSD LIES ON ITS WEBSITE, FILM AT 11" (if we are ever caught out on it b/c, in fact, there are Linux binaries that FreeBSD doesn't run or at least run well) than upside. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 20:15:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DBD16A4CE; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:15:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D522443D5A; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:15:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1BuGXt-000JBu-7h; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:15:01 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:15:01 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20040809201501.GE87690@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , John Baldwin , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Joel Dahl References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040809120718.GY87690@submonkey.net> <1092072500.561.38.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <200408091339.40069.jhb@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Rsp728Nwk8twChKq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200408091339.40069.jhb@FreeBSD.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:15:03 -0000 --Rsp728Nwk8twChKq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 01:39:40PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Monday 09 August 2004 01:29 pm, Joel Dahl wrote: > > Mon 2004-08-09 klockan 14.07 skrev Ceri Davies: > > > On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 01:40:28PM +0200, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > > > > Okay, this is getting really ridiculous, and the statement is false= =2E It > > > > would be rather simple to figure out which syscalls FreeBSD was una= ble > > > > to translate and thereby make a certain piece of software fail to r= un > > > > on FreeBSD. For instance, there are certain socket options in Linux > > > > that are not avaialble on FreeBSD and cannot be emulated. Software = that > > > > makes use of these options will _not_ run on FreeBSD. > > > > > > Firstly, I'll note that the article is talking about BSD, not FreeBSD. > > > > > > > A more accurate statement would be: > > > > > > > > FreeBSD_Compilable_Code + FreeBSD_Binaries + FreeBSD_Emulatable(Lin= ux) > > > > > Binaries(Linux) > > > > > > > > You can't blindly make this statement, however, without first provi= ng > > > > the following: > > > > > > > > Binaries(Linux) - FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) < FreeBSD_Compilable_co= de + > > > > FreeBSD_Binaries. > > > > > > > > Now, once you factor in the SVR4 compatibility and others, this > > > > statement gets exceedingly difficult to make. When somebody wants to > > > > audit the amount of binaries that will run on FreeBSD and get a num= ber, > > > > let me know. > > > > > > Since SVR4 gets bundled on the right hand side of the equation above, > > > along with BSDI, IBCS2, Interactive Unix, SCO Unix, SCO Xenix, and > > > Solaris (this selection just from the i386 NetBSD port and excluding > > > other free BSDs), the statement becomes slightly easier to make, I > > > think. > > > > > > > Also, it's interesting to note that OpenBSD will do the same -- it = has > > > > Linux syscall translation as well -- it will also run FreeBSD binar= ies. > > > > Does this mean that OpenBSD has a conceviably larger amount of bina= ries > > > > that will run on it than FreeBSD? > > > > > > Well, yes. > > > > > > Ceri > > > > Whoops, my intention was not to cause any hard feelings with my original > > question about the statement. I'm just trying to make our docs correct. > > > > :) > > > > As I see it, the statement can't be confirmed as true OR false, and > > should therefore be removed, if someone with commit privileges agree. To > > remove the "As a result, more software is available for BSD than for > > Linux." -part would be perfectly sufficient. :) >=20 > FWIW, it seems to me that the statement has more downside potential ("FRE= EBSD=20 > LIES ON ITS WEBSITE, FILM AT 11" (if we are ever caught out on it b/c, in= =20 > fact, there are Linux binaries that FreeBSD doesn't run or at least run w= ell)=20 > than upside. I've discussed this with Devon offlist - how do people like this patch? Index: article.sgml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.sg= ml,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 article.sgml --- article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:54 -0000 1.12 +++ article.sgml 9 Aug 2004 20:13:07 -0000 @@ -529,9 +529,11 @@ =20 - BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD - code. As a result, more software is available for BSD than for - Linux. + BSD can execute most Linux binaries, while Linux can not execute = BSD + binaries. Many BSD implementations can also execute binaries + from other UNIX-like systems. As a result, BSD may present an + easier migration route from other systems than + Linux would. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --Rsp728Nwk8twChKq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBF9tEocfcwTS3JF8RAjEjAJ90iwvn6C6Gp4HE/ZcZl5Rxi2J6QACgia0T gdQM+OmcZKxJqUlFm3ASIXU= =a1Fu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Rsp728Nwk8twChKq-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 20:25:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC4016A4CE; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:25:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682C043D1F; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:25:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 63CD411959; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:25:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:25:18 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Ceri Davies , John Baldwin , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Joel Dahl Message-ID: <20040809202517.GB684@arthur.nitro.dk> References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040809120718.GY87690@submonkey.net> <1092072500.561.38.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <200408091339.40069.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <20040809201501.GE87690@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040809201501.GE87690@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:25:20 -0000 --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2004.08.09 21:15:01 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > I've discussed this with Devon offlist - how do people like this patch? > [..] > - BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD > - code. As a result, more software is available for BSD than for > - Linux. > + BSD can execute most Linux binaries, while Linux can not execut= e BSD > + binaries. Many BSD implementations can also execute binaries > + from other UNIX-like systems. As a result, BSD may present an This should be s/UNIX-like/&unix; like/... yes trademarks are a pain... :-) > + easier migration route from other systems than > + Linux would. Other than that I like the patch. BTW, which color does that make the bikeshed? ;-). --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBF92th9pcDSc1mlERAqSWAJ4k3Bn00KBiFJQD6ko+icZos5lN1ACfQ7Qf iRUAyPkMUYOco7VZi/FnOnk= =xSFF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 20:41:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF9E16A4CE; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:41:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FF843D39; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:41:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1BuGxk-000JKr-8O; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:41:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:41:44 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Message-ID: <20040809204144.GG87690@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , "Simon L. Nielsen" , John Baldwin , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Joel Dahl References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040809120718.GY87690@submonkey.net> <1092072500.561.38.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <200408091339.40069.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <20040809201501.GE87690@submonkey.net> <20040809202517.GB684@arthur.nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cjVziHhGDpplWqiR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040809202517.GB684@arthur.nitro.dk> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: John Baldwin Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:41:45 -0000 --cjVziHhGDpplWqiR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 10:25:18PM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > On 2004.08.09 21:15:01 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: >=20 > > I've discussed this with Devon offlist - how do people like this patch? > > > [..] > > - BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD > > - code. As a result, more software is available for BSD than for > > - Linux. > > + BSD can execute most Linux binaries, while Linux can not exec= ute BSD > > + binaries. Many BSD implementations can also execute binaries > > + from other UNIX-like systems. As a result, BSD may present an >=20 > This should be s/UNIX-like/&unix; like/... yes trademarks are a pain... := -) Ok. > > + easier migration route from other systems than > > + Linux would. >=20 > Other than that I like the patch. >=20 > BTW, which color does that make the bikeshed? ;-). We used to play a game in our bikeshed at school called Space Invaders. It was quite a big bikeshed, approximately 60 feet long, and the game would comprise of the "invaders" side-stepping along the long edge of the bikeshed while someone kicked a football at them as hard as it is possible for a ten year old boy to manage - I'd forgotten all about it until now. That bikeshed was grey, with the odd bloodstain; my favourite ;) Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --cjVziHhGDpplWqiR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBF+GHocfcwTS3JF8RAm/UAJ9EXy2Y+MVl30LJpNf1ox3+nSEhSgCgiMLh XyHQfjwgHh8SY/7Pf1pY9c4= =Y5Mr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cjVziHhGDpplWqiR-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 21:16:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2512516A4CE; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:16:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from redqueen.elvandar.org (cust.94.120.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.94.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EFE43D2D; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:16:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from [10.0.2.122] (nimrod.elvandar.intranet [10.0.2.122]) by redqueen.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469CE10685E; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:16:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4117E99A.1090202@elvandar.org> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:16:10 +0200 From: Remko Lodder X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ceri Davies References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040809120718.GY87690@submonkey.net> <1092072500.561.38.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <200408091339.40069.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <20040809201501.GE87690@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <20040809201501.GE87690@submonkey.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at elvandar.org cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: John Baldwin Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:16:15 -0000 Ceri Davies wrote: > On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 01:39:40PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > >>On Monday 09 August 2004 01:29 pm, Joel Dahl wrote: >> >>>Mon 2004-08-09 klockan 14.07 skrev Ceri Davies: >>> >>>>On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 01:40:28PM +0200, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: >>>> >>>>>Okay, this is getting really ridiculous, and the statement is false. It >>>>>would be rather simple to figure out which syscalls FreeBSD was unable >>>>>to translate and thereby make a certain piece of software fail to run >>>>>on FreeBSD. For instance, there are certain socket options in Linux >>>>>that are not avaialble on FreeBSD and cannot be emulated. Software that >>>>>makes use of these options will _not_ run on FreeBSD. >>>> >>>>Firstly, I'll note that the article is talking about BSD, not FreeBSD. >>>> >>>> >>>>>A more accurate statement would be: >>>>> >>>>>FreeBSD_Compilable_Code + FreeBSD_Binaries + FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) >>>>> >>>>>>Binaries(Linux) >>>>> >>>>>You can't blindly make this statement, however, without first proving >>>>>the following: >>>>> >>>>>Binaries(Linux) - FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) < FreeBSD_Compilable_code + >>>>>FreeBSD_Binaries. >>>>> >>>>>Now, once you factor in the SVR4 compatibility and others, this >>>>>statement gets exceedingly difficult to make. When somebody wants to >>>>>audit the amount of binaries that will run on FreeBSD and get a number, >>>>>let me know. >>>> >>>>Since SVR4 gets bundled on the right hand side of the equation above, >>>>along with BSDI, IBCS2, Interactive Unix, SCO Unix, SCO Xenix, and >>>>Solaris (this selection just from the i386 NetBSD port and excluding >>>>other free BSDs), the statement becomes slightly easier to make, I >>>>think. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Also, it's interesting to note that OpenBSD will do the same -- it has >>>>>Linux syscall translation as well -- it will also run FreeBSD binaries. >>>>>Does this mean that OpenBSD has a conceviably larger amount of binaries >>>>>that will run on it than FreeBSD? >>>> >>>>Well, yes. >>>> >>>>Ceri >>> >>>Whoops, my intention was not to cause any hard feelings with my original >>>question about the statement. I'm just trying to make our docs correct. >>> >>>:) >>> >>>As I see it, the statement can't be confirmed as true OR false, and >>>should therefore be removed, if someone with commit privileges agree. To >>>remove the "As a result, more software is available for BSD than for >>>Linux." -part would be perfectly sufficient. :) >> >>FWIW, it seems to me that the statement has more downside potential ("FREEBSD >>LIES ON ITS WEBSITE, FILM AT 11" (if we are ever caught out on it b/c, in >>fact, there are Linux binaries that FreeBSD doesn't run or at least run well) >>than upside. > > > I've discussed this with Devon offlist - how do people like this patch? > > Index: article.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.12 > diff -u -r1.12 article.sgml > --- article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:54 -0000 1.12 > +++ article.sgml 9 Aug 2004 20:13:07 -0000 > @@ -529,9 +529,11 @@ > > > > - BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD > - code. As a result, more software is available for BSD than for > - Linux. > + BSD can execute most Linux binaries, while Linux can not execute BSD > + binaries. Many BSD implementations can also execute binaries > + from other UNIX-like systems. As a result, BSD may present an > + easier migration route from other systems than > + Linux would. > > > > > Ceri Hi Ceri, rest, I can live with this patch... Cheers! -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder |remko@elvandar.org Reporter DSINet |remko@dsinet.org Projectleader Mostly-Harmless |remko@mostly-harmless.nl From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 23:43:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CC216A4CF for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:43:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lnxc-641.srv.mediaways.net (smtp.compuserve.de [62.52.27.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7EA843D5A for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:43:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Hilko.Meyer@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 5235 invoked by uid 501); 9 Aug 2004 23:43:20 -0000 Received: from dialin-145-254-146-170.arcor-ip.net (dialin-145-254-146-170.arcor-ip.net [145.254.146.170]) by compuserve.de ([10.228.3.105]) with ESMTP via TCP; 09 Aug 2004 23:43:20 -0000 From: Hilko Meyer To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:43:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4q0gh05ot2512gvv7hjjm6q6so4bbof3er@smtp.compuserve.de> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Handbook-appearance in Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:43:23 -0000 Hi, I've spotted some some problems in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nis.htm= l and the NFS-Chapter. The table under "Terms/Processes You Should Know" is displayed wrong in opera 7.5*. The columns term and description are shown with the same little width. Both columns have the width of the word rpc.yppasswdd. After a look in the HTML-Code and in the german site http://de.selfhtml.org/html/tabellen/aufbau.htm#vordefinieren If the syntax is used, width=3D"100%" in the -Tag is needed. It should look like
And there is another nit. Around "NIS domainname" some tags are missing. The other entries are shown bold. If I understand the sgml-code correct, the following should fix that. --- chapter.sgml Mon Aug 9 20:21:21 2004 +++ chapter-mod.sgml Mon Aug 9 20:27:00 2004 @@ -1195,7 +1195,7 @@ - NIS domainname + NIS domainname =20 An NIS master server and all of its clients (including its slave servers) have a NIS domainname. bye, Hilko From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 00:10:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7007916A4D1 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFA843D3F for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:10:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b195.otenet.gr [212.205.244.203]) i7A0AJ64005756; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:10:21 +0300 Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7A09YGR038901; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:09:34 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id i7A09Xn0038900; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:09:33 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:09:32 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Hilko Meyer Message-ID: <20040810000932.GA23836@gothmog.gr> References: <4q0gh05ot2512gvv7hjjm6q6so4bbof3er@smtp.compuserve.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4q0gh05ot2512gvv7hjjm6q6so4bbof3er@smtp.compuserve.de> cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Handbook-appearance in Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:10:24 -0000 On 2004-08-10 01:43, Hilko Meyer wrote: > I've spotted some some problems in > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nis.html > [...] > And there is another nit. Around "NIS domainname" some tags are missing. > The other entries are shown bold. If I understand the sgml-code correct, > the following should fix that. The rest of the entries are shown in bold because they are "application names". The string "NIS domainname" is not an application name so it shouldn't be marked up as one. > --- chapter.sgml Mon Aug 9 20:21:21 2004 > +++ chapter-mod.sgml Mon Aug 9 20:27:00 2004 > @@ -1195,7 +1195,7 @@ > > > > - NIS domainname > + NIS domainname > > An NIS master server and all of its clients > (including its slave servers) have a NIS domainname. No, please. The semantics of the element should be not abused just to get a "look and feel that we like". If the rest of the application names look odd because of their bold font we should probably consider removing the application tags from the rest instead. A lot of bold words sprinkled in a seemingly random manner among running text look worse than something that abuses the element IMHO. This is, of course, my own personal opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt ;-) - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 00:43:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390E316A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:43:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gillian.brierley.id.au (CPE-61-9-213-42.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.213.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C3043D49 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:43:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from frank@brierley.id.au) Received: from [192.168.0.64] (CPE-203-51-237-70.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.51.237.70]) (authenticated bits=0)i7A0gkRx091323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:42:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from frank@brierley.id.au) Message-ID: <41181A43.3070905@brierley.id.au> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:43:47 +1000 From: frank brierley User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.84.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Handbook chapter 22 section 10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:43:11 -0000 Hi, I've been going through the handbooks discussion on SMTP authentication and found that the document could use a little updating. The instructions result in an error where sendmail wont read a database file in /usr/local/etc if the permissions are set for group or world read, and doesn't have permission to read if set for user read only. Might I suggest using the cyrus-sasl2-saslauthd port rather than the cyrus-sasl port. Here is a link to a set of instructions that worked smoothly for my 4.10 machine http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/freebsd/sendmail.html yours Frank Brierley From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 06:53:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B4216A561; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:53:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from volginfo.ru (ns.volginfo.ru [217.23.84.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71F843D2D; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:53:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from den@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (llp-13.vistcom.ru [217.23.84.68]) by volginfo.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573B12012; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:53:06 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <411870D0.3010508@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:53:04 +0400 From: Denis Peplin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040205 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hiroki Sato References: <4110CB82.8000204@FreeBSD.org> <20040807.043147.99822694.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <4117148F.5010303@FreeBSD.org> <20040810.015109.00407129.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <20040810.015109.00407129.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [patch] SP_ENCODING support in doc.docbook.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:53:07 -0000 Hello! Hiroki Sato wrote: > Hi Denis, > > Denis Peplin wrote > in <4117148F.5010303@FreeBSD.org>: > > den> Yes, having something in /share/mk is good idea :) > > Committed. Sorry if I crossed ru_RU.KOI8-R people's work, but > I added ru_RU.KOI8-R/share/mk/doc.local.mk, too. > No, it's not crossed. doc.local.mk for ISO8859-2 also added, it was in previous version and seems work fine. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 09:16:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9617916A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:16:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB01D43D53 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:16:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joel@automatvapen.se) Received: by av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B6AF338AF8; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B82386F7; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [213.66.32.173] (t8o955p53.telia.com [213.66.32.173]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87D837E4C; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:16:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Joel Dahl To: Ceri Davies In-Reply-To: <20040809201501.GE87690@submonkey.net> References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040809120718.GY87690@submonkey.net> <1092072500.561.38.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040809201501.GE87690@submonkey.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1092129402.536.1.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:16:42 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:16:15 -0000 Mon 2004-08-09 klockan 22.15 skrev Ceri Davies: > On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 01:39:40PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Monday 09 August 2004 01:29 pm, Joel Dahl wrote: > > > Mon 2004-08-09 klockan 14.07 skrev Ceri Davies: > > > > On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 01:40:28PM +0200, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > > > > > Okay, this is getting really ridiculous, and the statement is false. It > > > > > would be rather simple to figure out which syscalls FreeBSD was unable > > > > > to translate and thereby make a certain piece of software fail to run > > > > > on FreeBSD. For instance, there are certain socket options in Linux > > > > > that are not avaialble on FreeBSD and cannot be emulated. Software that > > > > > makes use of these options will _not_ run on FreeBSD. > > > > > > > > Firstly, I'll note that the article is talking about BSD, not FreeBSD. > > > > > > > > > A more accurate statement would be: > > > > > > > > > > FreeBSD_Compilable_Code + FreeBSD_Binaries + FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) > > > > > > Binaries(Linux) > > > > > > > > > > You can't blindly make this statement, however, without first proving > > > > > the following: > > > > > > > > > > Binaries(Linux) - FreeBSD_Emulatable(Linux) < FreeBSD_Compilable_code + > > > > > FreeBSD_Binaries. > > > > > > > > > > Now, once you factor in the SVR4 compatibility and others, this > > > > > statement gets exceedingly difficult to make. When somebody wants to > > > > > audit the amount of binaries that will run on FreeBSD and get a number, > > > > > let me know. > > > > > > > > Since SVR4 gets bundled on the right hand side of the equation above, > > > > along with BSDI, IBCS2, Interactive Unix, SCO Unix, SCO Xenix, and > > > > Solaris (this selection just from the i386 NetBSD port and excluding > > > > other free BSDs), the statement becomes slightly easier to make, I > > > > think. > > > > > > > > > Also, it's interesting to note that OpenBSD will do the same -- it has > > > > > Linux syscall translation as well -- it will also run FreeBSD binaries. > > > > > Does this mean that OpenBSD has a conceviably larger amount of binaries > > > > > that will run on it than FreeBSD? > > > > > > > > Well, yes. > > > > > > > > Ceri > > > > > > Whoops, my intention was not to cause any hard feelings with my original > > > question about the statement. I'm just trying to make our docs correct. > > > > > > :) > > > > > > As I see it, the statement can't be confirmed as true OR false, and > > > should therefore be removed, if someone with commit privileges agree. To > > > remove the "As a result, more software is available for BSD than for > > > Linux." -part would be perfectly sufficient. :) > > > > FWIW, it seems to me that the statement has more downside potential ("FREEBSD > > LIES ON ITS WEBSITE, FILM AT 11" (if we are ever caught out on it b/c, in > > fact, there are Linux binaries that FreeBSD doesn't run or at least run well) > > than upside. > > I've discussed this with Devon offlist - how do people like this patch? > > Index: article.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.12 > diff -u -r1.12 article.sgml > --- article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:54 -0000 1.12 > +++ article.sgml 9 Aug 2004 20:13:07 -0000 > @@ -529,9 +529,11 @@ > > > > - BSD can execute Linux code, while Linux can not execute BSD > - code. As a result, more software is available for BSD than for > - Linux. > + BSD can execute most Linux binaries, while Linux can not execute BSD > + binaries. Many BSD implementations can also execute binaries > + from other UNIX-like systems. As a result, BSD may present an > + easier migration route from other systems than > + Linux would. > > > > > Ceri The patch looks great. -- regards, Joel Dahl From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 09:20:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D0C16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:20:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47C643D55 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:20:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7A9KRPt056661 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:20:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7A9KR1W056660; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:20:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:20:27 GMT Message-Id: <200408100920.i7A9KR1W056660@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Aasmund Eikli Subject: Re: docs/66775: Clarification that port names should not contain version numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aasmund Eikli List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:20:28 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/66775; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Aasmund Eikli To: Peter Pentchev Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/66775: Clarification that port names should not contain version numbers Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:13:00 +0200 Looks good! A very minor point though, shouldnt "not duplicate ports" be "no duplicate ports"? I'm new at this, so probably very rusty. Cheers Aasmund Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 09:00:45PM +0000, Aasmund Eikli wrote: > >>The following reply was made to PR docs/66775; it has been noted by GNATS. >> >>From: Aasmund Eikli >>To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org >>Cc: >>Subject: Re: docs/66775: Clarification that port names should not contain >> version numbers >>Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:52:16 +0200 >> >> Doc diffs to reflect suggestions: >> >> --- article.sgml Tue Jul 27 16:34:49 2004 >> +++ article.sgml Sat Jul 31 15:35:56 2004 >> @@ -2418,7 +2418,9 @@ >> >> Upgrade the copied port to the new version >> (remember >> to change the PORTNAME so there >> - are not duplicate ports with the same name). >> + are not duplicate ports with the same name). >> + Alternatively, change LATEST_LINK >> + depending on the purpose. >> > > > I think that 'remmeber to change the PORTNAME' and 'change LATEST_LINK' > clauses should be at the same level of "nesting" (parenthesized or not) > to avoid confusion - this way, it might seem that changing LATEST_LINK > is an alternative to upgrading the port :) How about something like > this instead? > > Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.207 > diff -u -r1.207 article.sgml > --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 13:43:53 -0000 1.207 > +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml 9 Aug 2004 12:21:10 -0000 > @@ -2431,9 +2431,10 @@ > > > > - Upgrade the copied port to the new version (remember > - to change the PORTNAME so there > - are not duplicate ports with the same name). > + Upgrade the copied port to the new version. Remember > + to change either the PORTNAME or > + the LATEST_LINK variable so there > + are not duplicate ports with the same name. > > > > >> --- book.sgml Sat Jul 31 15:40:21 2004 >> +++ book.sgml Sat Jul 31 15:52:11 2004 >> @@ -1064,7 +1064,10 @@ >> Data::Dumper module becomes >> p5-Data-Dumper. If the software in question >> has numbers, hyphens, or underscores in its name, you may >> include >> - them as well (like kinput2). >> + them as well (like kinput2). >> + Make sure that the PORTNAME variable and the >> + PORTVERSION variable contains the name > > > ITYM 'contain' here, since both variables form the sentence subject :) > > >> and the >> + version number of the port respectively. You should not mix >> the two. > > > A minor point, but I've gathered the impression that two spaces are > preferred before the start of a new sentence. How about this? > > Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/dcvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.476 > diff -u -r1.476 book.sgml > --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml 9 Aug 2004 11:51:37 -0000 1.476 > +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml 9 Aug 2004 12:29:31 -0000 > @@ -1071,7 +1071,11 @@ > Data::Dumper module becomes > p5-Data-Dumper. If the software in question > has numbers, hyphens, or underscores in its name, you may include > - them as well (like kinput2). > + them as well (like kinput2). Make sure that > + the PORTNAME and > + PORTVERSION variables contain the name and > + the version of the port respectively. You should not mix the > + two. > > > > > Thanks for your work on this :) > > G'luck, > Peter > From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 10:06:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4937916A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:06:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fam.ulusiada.pt (mail.fam.ulusiada.pt [193.136.184.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 716E043D58 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:06:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from "") Received: (qmail 1099 invoked by uid 502); 10 Aug 2004 10:06:01 -0000 Received: from by mail.fam.ulusiada.pt in 0.120637 secs); 10 Aug 2004 10:06:01 -0000 Date: 10 Aug 2004 10:06:01 -0000 From: "Mail System Anti-Virus Administrator" To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Tnz-Problem-Type: 40 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain cc: lixo@mail.fam.ulusiada.pt Subject: Virus found in sent message "something for you" X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:06:06 -0000 Attention: doc@freebsd.org. 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August 2004 Search: /var/spool/qmailscan/mail.fam.ulusiada.pt10921323614041084 /var/spool/qmailscan/working/new/mail.fam.ulusiada.pt10921323614041084 Action: Report only Files: "Dumb" scan of all files Switches: /ARCHIVE /AI /var/spool/qmailscan/mail.fam.ulusiada.pt10921323614041084/doc.exe Infection: W32/Netsky.B@mm /var/spool/qmailscan/working/new/mail.fam.ulusiada.pt10921323614041084->doc.exe Infection: W32/Netsky.B@mm Results of virus scanning: Files: 3 MBRs: 0 Boot sectors: 0 Objects scanned: 4 Infected: 2 Suspicious: 0 Disinfected: 0 Deleted: 0 Renamed: 0 Time: 0:00 --- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 10:06:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FEA16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:06:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from duck.inebraska.com (duck.inebraska.com [199.184.119.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177D243D41 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:06:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jworrest@inebraska.com) Received: from [209.50.4.3] (lin-hs1-003.inetnebr.com [209.50.4.3]) by duck.inebraska.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AA6GVT009030 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:06:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <41189D16.3050907@inebraska.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:01:58 -0500 From: Jim Worrest User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040617 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.84.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: handbook.rtf X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:06:20 -0000 This file seems to be messed up. I downloaded the zip file, and it didn't extract right at all. I suppose I should have been suspicious of it, since was smaller than the zip file of the txt, while the opposite should be true. ---Jim From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 10:07:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA49C16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:07:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fam.ulusiada.pt (mail.fam.ulusiada.pt [193.136.184.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A028D43D3F for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:07:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from "") Received: (qmail 1264 invoked by uid 502); 10 Aug 2004 10:07:42 -0000 Received: from by mail.fam.ulusiada.pt in 0.116604 secs); 10 Aug 2004 10:07:42 -0000 Date: 10 Aug 2004 10:07:42 -0000 From: "Mail System Anti-Virus Administrator" To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Tnz-Problem-Type: 40 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain cc: lixo@mail.fam.ulusiada.pt Subject: Illegal attachment type found in sent message "fake" X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:07:45 -0000 Attention: doc@freebsd.org. A Illegal attachment type was found in an Email message you sent. This Email scanner intercepted it and stopped the entire message reaching it's destination. The Illegal attachment type was reported to be: Não e permitido o envio de ficheiros SCR Please contact your I.T support personnel with any queries regarding this policy. Your message was sent with the following envelope: MAIL FROM: doc@freebsd.org RCPT TO: rsa@fam.ulusiada.pt ... and with the following headers: From: doc@freebsd.org To: rsa@fam.ulusiada.pt Subject: fake Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:11:52 +0100 The original message is kept in: mail.fam.ulusiada.pt:/var/spool/qmailscan/quarantine where the Mail System Anti-Virus Administrator can further diagnose it. The Email scanner reported the following when it scanned that message: --- ---perlscanner results --- Illegal attachment type 'Não e permitido o envio de ficheiros SCR' found in file /var/spool/qmailscan/mail.fam.ulusiada.pt10921324624041252/note.scr --- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 10:40:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AE216A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:40:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38A843D4C for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:40:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7AAeRf2065915 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:40:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7AAeRkS065914; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:40:27 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:40:27 GMT Message-Id: <200408101040.i7AAeRkS065914@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Peter Pentchev Subject: Re: docs/70124: [PATCH] add note about cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Peter Pentchev List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:40:28 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/70124; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Peter Pentchev To: Joel Dahl Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/70124: [PATCH] add note about cvsup Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:39:33 +0300 On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 12:48:53PM +0000, Joel Dahl wrote: > > >Number: 70124 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: [PATCH] add note about cvsup > >Description: > I get this question all the time, "Why is CVSup not in the base > installation of FreeBSD", so maybe we should include it in the FAQ? > This patch does that. What do you think about the following patch, which explains the problem a bit more thoroughly? :) G'luck, Peter Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.639 diff -u -r1.639 book.sgml --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 9 Aug 2004 19:49:17 -0000 1.639 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 10 Aug 2004 10:37:45 -0000 @@ -5060,6 +5060,30 @@ + + Why is CVSup not integrated in the main FreeBSD tree? + + + + + The FreeBSD base system is designed as self-hosting - it + should be possible to build the whole operating system starting + with a very limited set of tools. Thus, the actual build tools + needed to compile the FreeBSD sources are bundled with the + sources themselves. This includes a C compiler (&man.gcc.1;), + &man.make.1;, &man.awk.1;, and similar tools. + + Since CVSup is written in Modula-3, adding it to the FreeBSD + base system would also require adding and maintaining a Modula-3 + compiler. This would lead to both a growth in the disk space + consumed by the FreeBSD sources and additional maintenance work. + Thus, it is much easier for both the developers and users to + keep CVSup as a separate port, which can be easily installed as + a package bundled on the FreeBSD installation CD's. + + + + I updated the sources, now how do I update my installed ports? -- Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@cnsys.bg roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 If the meanings of 'true' and 'false' were switched, then this sentence wouldn't be false. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 11:37:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E92716A4CF for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:37:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8843D5C for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:37:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i7ABbsKL023185; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:37:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7ABbr8G023184; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:37:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:37:53 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Jim Worrest Message-ID: <20040810113753.GB18950@abigail.blackend.org> References: <41189D16.3050907@inebraska.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41189D16.3050907@inebraska.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: handbook.rtf X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:37:58 -0000 On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 05:01:58AM -0500, Jim Worrest wrote: > This file seems to be messed up. I downloaded the zip file, and it > didn't extract right at all. I suppose I should have been suspicious of > it, since was smaller than the zip file of the txt, while the opposite > should be true. ---Jim Hello, I think the .rtf build does not give a correct file. I'll try to fix it asap. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 11:46:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A3E16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:46:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F38C43D3F for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:46:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i7ABkX3w023467; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:46:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7ABkW0Y023466; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:46:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:46:30 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040810114630.GC18950@abigail.blackend.org> References: <41189D16.3050907@inebraska.com> <20040810113753.GB18950@abigail.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040810113753.GB18950@abigail.blackend.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: Jim Worrest Subject: Re: handbook.rtf X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:46:39 -0000 On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 01:37:53PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > Hello, > > I think the .rtf build does not give a correct file. I'll try to fix it > asap. > In fact you should have a 3MB readable file but without images in. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 12:05:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEAE16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:05:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FDF43D45 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:05:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7AC5NmR035517 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:05:23 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:05:23 +0400 (MSD) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040810110505.F67141@woozle.rinet.ru> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: whitespace cleanup Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:05:26 -0000 Dear colleagues, preparing for my traditional first set of commits I found that (at least) contributors article contains way too much whitespace-only lines: marck@woozle:~/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors> grep -c '^[ ][ ]*$' *sgml article.sgml:1 contrib.386bsd.sgml:95 contrib.additional.sgml:0 contrib.committers.sgml:325 contrib.core.sgml:7 contrib.corealumni.sgml:26 contrib.develalumni.sgml:2 contrib.staff.sgml:0 What is the most preferred way to fix this? Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 12:45:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34EF16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:45:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A012043D4C for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:45:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i7ACjQuX024318; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:45:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7ACjQk5024317; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:45:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:45:26 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Dmitry Morozovsky Message-ID: <20040810124525.GE18950@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20040810110505.F67141@woozle.rinet.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040810110505.F67141@woozle.rinet.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: whitespace cleanup Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:45:29 -0000 On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 04:05:23PM +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > preparing for my traditional first set of commits I found that (at least) > contributors article contains way too much whitespace-only lines: > > marck@woozle:~/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors> grep -c '^[ ][ ]*$' *sgml > article.sgml:1 > contrib.386bsd.sgml:95 > contrib.additional.sgml:0 > contrib.committers.sgml:325 > contrib.core.sgml:7 > contrib.corealumni.sgml:26 > contrib.develalumni.sgml:2 > contrib.staff.sgml:0 > > What is the most preferred way to fix this? > That has been covered many times (see -doc archives etc.) Most of time whitespace commits are useless, they just add bloat to the CVS repo. And since a fix today does not prevent a whitespace addition on tomorrow... contrib.committers.sgml:325 seemed a lot for me. After a quick check, it appears that these whitespaces have been added during the article.sgml split :(( People use to edit this file at least once and just copy&paste a part, they copy whitespaces without knowing it. So this file should be fixed to avoid "spread of whitespaces". Few months ago we did a clean of the contrib.additional.sgml file for the same reason, I'm glad to see no new whitespaces have been added :) My opinion is: let fix contrib.committers.sgml, contrib.386bsd.sgml (95 is a lot too) and maybe contrib.corealumni.sgml, the remaining does not worth a commit. Well this does not prevent us to take care of these problems before committing anything. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 14:10:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABED16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:10:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A22F43D39 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:10:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7AEANar018002 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:10:23 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7AEANWJ018001; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:10:23 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:10:23 GMT Message-Id: <200408101410.i7AEANWJ018001@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Oliver Eikemeier Subject: Re: docs/66775: Clarification that port names should not contain version numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Oliver Eikemeier List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:10:23 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/66775; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Oliver Eikemeier To: Aasmund Eikli Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/66775: Clarification that port names should not contain version numbers Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:02:21 +0200 Aasmund Eikli wrote: > From: Aasmund Eikli > To: Peter Pentchev > Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: docs/66775: Clarification that port names should not > contain > version numbers > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:13:00 +0200 > > Looks good! > > A very minor point though, shouldnt "not duplicate ports" be "no > duplicate ports"? > [...] > Peter Pentchev wrote: >> >> Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml >> =================================================================== >> RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers- >> guide/article.sgml,v >> retrieving revision 1.207 >> diff -u -r1.207 article.sgml >> --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml 8 Aug 2004 >> 13:43:53 -0000 1.207 >> +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml 9 Aug 2004 >> 12:21:10 -0000 >> @@ -2431,9 +2431,10 @@ >> >> >> >> - Upgrade the copied port to the new version (remember >> - to change the PORTNAME so there >> - are not duplicate ports with the same name). >> + Upgrade the copied port to the new version. Remember >> + to change either the PORTNAME or >> + the LATEST_LINK variable so there >> + are not duplicate ports with the same name. >> As said before, I would prefer suggesting to change LATEST_LINK only, and PORTNAME only in rare cases. The reader might get the impression that `apache-1.3' and `apache-2.0' have the same name, although they don't. >> Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml >> =================================================================== >> RCS file: /home/dcvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters- >> handbook/book.sgml,v >> retrieving revision 1.476 >> diff -u -r1.476 book.sgml >> --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml 9 Aug 2004 11:51: >> 37 -0000 1.476 >> +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml 9 Aug 2004 12:29: >> 31 -0000 >> @@ -1071,7 +1071,11 @@ >> Data::Dumper module becomes >> p5-Data-Dumper. If the software in question >> has numbers, hyphens, or underscores in its name, you may >> include >> - them as well (like kinput2). >> + them as well (like kinput2). Make sure that >> + the PORTNAME and >> + PORTVERSION variables contain the name and >> + the version of the port respectively. You should not mix the >> + two. >> Same here. Perhaps `The version number should not be part of PORTNAME (like apache-2.0), except when the original distribution explicitly name it that way (like libxml2-2.6).' -Oliver From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 16:20:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D434B16A4D1 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:20:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EB043D60 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:20:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7AGKCMB034336 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:20:12 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7AGKC46034335; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:20:12 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:20:12 GMT Message-Id: <200408101620.i7AGKC46034335@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Joel Dahl Subject: Re: docs/70124: [PATCH] add note about cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joel Dahl List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:20:13 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/70124; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Joel Dahl To: Peter Pentchev Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/70124: [PATCH] add note about cvsup Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:15:45 +0200 Tis 2004-08-10 klockan 12.39 skrev Peter Pentchev: > On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 12:48:53PM +0000, Joel Dahl wrote: > > > > >Number: 70124 > > >Category: docs > > >Synopsis: [PATCH] add note about cvsup > > >Description: > > I get this question all the time, "Why is CVSup not in the base > > installation of FreeBSD", so maybe we should include it in the FAQ? > > This patch does that. > > What do you think about the following patch, which explains the problem > a bit more thoroughly? :) > > G'luck, > Peter > > Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.639 > diff -u -r1.639 book.sgml > --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 9 Aug 2004 19:49:17 -0000 1.639 > +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 10 Aug 2004 10:37:45 -0000 > @@ -5060,6 +5060,30 @@ > > > > + > + Why is CVSup not integrated in the main FreeBSD tree? > + > + > + > + > + The FreeBSD base system is designed as self-hosting - it > + should be possible to build the whole operating system starting > + with a very limited set of tools. Thus, the actual build tools > + needed to compile the FreeBSD sources are bundled with the > + sources themselves. This includes a C compiler (&man.gcc.1;), > + &man.make.1;, &man.awk.1;, and similar tools. > + > + Since CVSup is written in Modula-3, adding it to the FreeBSD > + base system would also require adding and maintaining a Modula-3 > + compiler. This would lead to both a growth in the disk space > + consumed by the FreeBSD sources and additional maintenance work. > + Thus, it is much easier for both the developers and users to > + keep CVSup as a separate port, which can be easily installed as > + a package bundled on the FreeBSD installation CD's. > + > + > + > + > > I updated the sources, now how do I update my installed > ports? This looks a lot better than my minimalistic patch. Thanks! :) -- Joel From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 16:23:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC6F16A4CF; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:23:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7DB43D45; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:23:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7AGNcie043263; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:23:38 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:23:38 +0400 (MSD) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: Marc Fonvieille In-Reply-To: <20040810124525.GE18950@abigail.blackend.org> Message-ID: <20040810202154.Y35364@woozle.rinet.ru> References: <20040810110505.F67141@woozle.rinet.ru> <20040810124525.GE18950@abigail.blackend.org> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: whitespace cleanup Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:23:41 -0000 On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Marc Fonvieille wrote: MF> > preparing for my traditional first set of commits I found that (at least) MF> > contributors article contains way too much whitespace-only lines: MF> > MF> > marck@woozle:~/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors> grep -c '^[ ][ ]*$' *sgml MF> > article.sgml:1 MF> > contrib.386bsd.sgml:95 MF> > contrib.additional.sgml:0 MF> > contrib.committers.sgml:325 MF> > contrib.core.sgml:7 MF> > contrib.corealumni.sgml:26 MF> > contrib.develalumni.sgml:2 MF> > contrib.staff.sgml:0 MF> > MF> > What is the most preferred way to fix this? MF> > MF> MF> That has been covered many times (see -doc archives etc.) MF> Most of time whitespace commits are useless, they just add bloat to the MF> CVS repo. And since a fix today does not prevent a whitespace addition MF> on tomorrow... MF> MF> contrib.committers.sgml:325 seemed a lot for me. After a quick check, MF> it appears that these whitespaces have been added during the article.sgml MF> split :(( MF> People use to edit this file at least once and just copy&paste a MF> part, they copy whitespaces without knowing it. So this file should be MF> fixed to avoid "spread of whitespaces". MF> MF> Few months ago we did a clean of the contrib.additional.sgml file for MF> the same reason, I'm glad to see no new whitespaces have been added :) MF> MF> My opinion is: let fix contrib.committers.sgml, contrib.386bsd.sgml MF> (95 is a lot too) and maybe contrib.corealumni.sgml, the remaining does MF> not worth a commit. MF> MF> Well this does not prevent us to take care of these problems before MF> committing anything. Totally agreed. I just want to share (and hear) optinions, as my certainly is not the Rightest one ;-) Should I prepare these two or three whitespace fixes after my first announcing commits? What d'you think? Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 16:40:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3F216A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:40:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BFF43D31 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:40:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i7AGeLWW028067; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:40:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7AGeL8n028066; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:40:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:40:20 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Dmitry Morozovsky Message-ID: <20040810164020.GI18950@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20040810110505.F67141@woozle.rinet.ru> <20040810124525.GE18950@abigail.blackend.org> <20040810202154.Y35364@woozle.rinet.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040810202154.Y35364@woozle.rinet.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: whitespace cleanup Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:40:24 -0000 On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 08:23:38PM +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: > > Totally agreed. > > I just want to share (and hear) optinions, as my certainly is > not the Rightest one ;-) > > Should I prepare these two or three whitespace fixes after my first announcing > commits? What d'you think? > heh this is a question for your mentor :)) Well, announcing commits should be done before anything else, it's a way to test if everything is ok. For the fixes, I would do it in one pass since you do the same change on each file. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 17:33:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207EE16A4CE; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:33:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F378243D2D; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:32:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roam@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (roam@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i7AHWx4H043773; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:32:59 GMT (envelope-from roam@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from roam@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7AHWxHC043769; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:32:59 GMT (envelope-from roam) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:32:59 GMT From: Peter Pentchev Message-Id: <200408101732.i7AHWxHC043769@freefall.freebsd.org> To: joel@automatvapen.se, roam@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/70124: [PATCH] add note about cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:33:00 -0000 Synopsis: [PATCH] add note about cvsup State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: roam State-Changed-When: Tue Aug 10 17:32:34 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: I committed my version of the patch. Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=70124 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 18:16:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05F416A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:16:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.dkm.cz (smtp.dkm.cz [62.24.64.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2050D43D1D for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:16:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neuhauser@chello.cz) Received: (qmail 48799 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2004 18:16:53 -0000 Received: from r3al61.chello.upc.cz (HELO isis.wad.cz) (213.220.229.61) by smtp.dkm.cz with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 18:16:51 -0000 Received: by isis.wad.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9D1BB2FDA01; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:16:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:16:51 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Glenn Sieb Message-ID: <20040810181651.GA4929@isis.wad.cz> References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> <4116906E.8060408@elvandar.org> <4116ED12.3000809@wingfoot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4116ED12.3000809@wingfoot.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:16:55 -0000 # ges+lists@wingfoot.org / 2004-08-08 23:18:42 -0400: > I don't see development happening (other than system development, > such as the OS) happening in BSD. Apache, and other major software. -- FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE 8:14PM up 14 hrs, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 18:41:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9009016A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:41:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wingfoot.org (caduceus.wingfoot.org [64.32.179.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F03143D45 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:41:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ges+lists@wingfoot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AED61F4496; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 65873-09; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-44c47f78.dyn.optonline.net [68.196.127.120]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08201F448F; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <411916DB.3060307@wingfoot.org> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:41:31 -0400 From: Glenn Sieb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040626 Thunderbird/0.7.1 Mnenhy/0.6.0.104 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roman Neuhauser References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> <4116906E.8060408@elvandar.org> <4116ED12.3000809@wingfoot.org> <20040810181651.GA4929@isis.wad.cz> In-Reply-To: <20040810181651.GA4929@isis.wad.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wingfoot.org cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:41:53 -0000 Roman Neuhauser said the following on 8/10/2004 2:16 PM: ># ges+lists@wingfoot.org / 2004-08-08 23:18:42 -0400: > > >> I don't see development happening (other than system development, >> such as the OS) happening in BSD. >> >> > > Apache, and other major software. > > > Really? Hmm.. I never knew that Apache is developed for BSD. I thought it was developed for *nix and Windows... distributed as C source so it could be compiled on your platform as needed. I don't recall ever seeing a specific "BSD version' of Apache, other than the fact that I've compiled the source or installed the port, which essentially just compiles the source as well. What am I missing here? The point I've been trying to make (and not many are getting yet) is the simple fact that if I go to, say, Oracle's website... they're developing in Linux. Specifically RedHat Enterprise. Not BSD of any flavor. Veritas--Netware and Windows (shudder). Legato--Windows and various Linuxes. Who is developing for BSD? Why aren't more doing so? What can we do to get them to? Thanks, Glenn From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 19:25:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C302216A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:25:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.dkm.cz (smtp.dkm.cz [62.24.64.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A743343D48 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:25:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neuhauser@chello.cz) Received: (qmail 12081 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2004 19:25:20 -0000 Received: from r3al61.chello.upc.cz (HELO isis.wad.cz) (213.220.229.61) by smtp.dkm.cz with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 19:25:20 -0000 Received: by isis.wad.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3DB322FDA01; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:25:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:25:20 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Glenn Sieb Message-ID: <20040810192520.GB4929@isis.wad.cz> References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> <4116906E.8060408@elvandar.org> <4116ED12.3000809@wingfoot.org> <20040810181651.GA4929@isis.wad.cz> <411916DB.3060307@wingfoot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <411916DB.3060307@wingfoot.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:25:22 -0000 # ges+lists@wingfoot.org / 2004-08-10 14:41:31 -0400: > Roman Neuhauser said the following on 8/10/2004 2:16 PM: > ># ges+lists@wingfoot.org / 2004-08-08 23:18:42 -0400: > >>I don't see development happening (other than system development, > >>such as the OS) happening in BSD. ^^^^^^ > > > > Apache, and other major software. > > Really? Hmm.. I never knew that Apache is developed for BSD. ^^^^^^^ > I thought it was developed for *nix and Windows... distributed as C > source so it could be compiled on your platform as needed. I don't > recall ever seeing a specific "BSD version' of Apache, other than the > fact that I've compiled the source or installed the port, which > essentially just compiles the source as well. What am I missing here? I see you mix "in BSD" with "for BSD" as you see fit for your argument. Yes, Apache *is* developed *in BSD*, besides other operating systems (and *for* BSD, besides other operating systems). Apache's AcceptFilter is AFAICT a FreeBSD-specific feature, which would even make it fit your slightly shifted definition ("developed *for* BSD). But you're missing the fact that you're changing the playground in the middle of the game. > The point I've been trying to make (and not many are getting yet) is the > simple fact that if I go to, say, Oracle's website... they're developing > in Linux. Specifically RedHat Enterprise. Not BSD of any flavor. > Veritas--Netware and Windows (shudder). Legato--Windows and various > Linuxes. Who is developing for BSD? Why aren't more doing so? What can > we do to get them to? Oh, here we're back at "develop in". You should have said in the previous mail that you "don't see Oracle, Legato, or Veritas development happening in BSD". Your previous statement implied much broader scope. -- FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE 8:57PM up 14:43, 5 users, load averages: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 22:38:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B813216A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:38:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lnxc-641.srv.mediaways.net (smtp.compuserve.de [62.52.27.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5488443D1D for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:37:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Hilko.Meyer@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 22926 invoked by uid 501); 10 Aug 2004 22:37:51 -0000 Received: from dialin-145-254-144-074.arcor-ip.net (dialin-145-254-144-074.arcor-ip.net [145.254.144.74]) by compuserve.de ([10.228.3.105]) with ESMTP via TCP; 10 Aug 2004 22:37:51 -0000 From: Hilko Meyer To: Giorgos Keramidas Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:38:23 +0200 Message-ID: <1oiih0h2ali0f4tnpo9cudv00o1h2ddl1r@smtp.compuserve.de> References: <4q0gh05ot2512gvv7hjjm6q6so4bbof3er@smtp.compuserve.de> <20040810000932.GA23836@gothmog.gr> In-Reply-To: <20040810000932.GA23836@gothmog.gr> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Handbook-appearance in Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:38:01 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas schrieb: >On 2004-08-10 01:43, Hilko Meyer wrote: >> I've spotted some some problems in >> = http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nis.htm= l >> [...] >> And there is another nit. Around "NIS domainname" some tags are = missing. >> The other entries are shown bold. If I understand the sgml-code = correct, >> the following should fix that. > >The rest of the entries are shown in bold because they are "application >names". The string "NIS domainname" is not an application name so it >shouldn't be marked up as one. Ah, ok I understand this. I've mentioned that, because it is IMHO inconsistent if some entries in the table are bold and some not. >No, please. The semantics of the element should be not >abused just to get a "look and feel that we like". If the rest of the >application names look odd because of their bold font we should probably >consider removing the application tags from the rest instead. A lot of >bold words sprinkled in a seemingly random manner among running text >look worse than something that abuses the element IMHO. I don't want an argument about this. I've mentioned it while I'm here. I think either all entries should be bold or no one, but that is only my opinion. My intention was to improve the display of the tables in Opera. That is crucial, IMHO. >This is, of course, my own personal opinion and should be taken with a >grain of salt ;-) :-) tsch=FCs, Hilko From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 23:26:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF7116A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:26:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zero.ics.uci.edu (zero.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4835A43D39 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:26:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drio@ics.uci.edu) Received: from kurene.ics.uci.edu (kurene.ics.uci.edu [128.195.38.105]) by zero.ics.uci.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7ANPEmv028007 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kurene.ics.uci.edu (Postfix, from userid 505) id 26E7E15255D; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:27:29 -0700 From: David Rio Deiros To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040810232729.GA22994@ics.uci.edu> References: <20040528001302.GA1293@ics.uci.edu> <20040528161638.GA2269@ics.uci.edu> <40B7F22F.2020308@pacific.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40B7F22F.2020308@pacific.net.sg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-99.526, required 5, HTML_20_30, USER_IN_WHITELIST) Subject: Re: Handbook (X window system section) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:26:43 -0000 > David Rio Deiros wrote: > >>I don't know if I made some mistake following the rules in the handbook > >>but if not I think it would be good to add my experiences in the > >>handbook(The X Window System - Using Fonts in XFree86 section). ligero:/usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11 $ diff -u chapter.sgml chapter.sgml.new --- chapter.sgml Tue Jul 27 04:47:48 2004 +++ chapter.sgml.new Tue Aug 10 15:40:35 2004 @@ -644,8 +644,30 @@ XftConfig file: see the section on anti-aliasing. + + + + Web Fonts + + Webfonts (x11-fonts/webfonts) + will allow your browser to render webpages using the right + fonts. To do that, run the following commands: + + + + &prompt.root; cd /usr/ports/x11-fonts/webfonts + &prompt.root; make install clean + + + + Finally, tell the X server that there are new fonts to load: + + + FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/webfonts/" + + &truetype; Fonts From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 11 01:13:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38CC16A4CE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:13:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.dkm.cz (smtp.dkm.cz [62.24.64.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8444C43D1D for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:13:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neuhauser@chello.cz) Received: (qmail 39311 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2004 01:13:29 -0000 Received: from r3al61.chello.upc.cz (HELO isis.wad.cz) (213.220.229.61) by smtp.dkm.cz with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 01:13:29 -0000 Received: by isis.wad.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6D1102FDA01; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:13:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:13:29 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: David Rio Deiros Message-ID: <20040811011329.GC4929@isis.wad.cz> References: <20040528001302.GA1293@ics.uci.edu> <20040528161638.GA2269@ics.uci.edu> <40B7F22F.2020308@pacific.net.sg> <20040810232729.GA22994@ics.uci.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040810232729.GA22994@ics.uci.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Handbook (X window system section) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:13:31 -0000 hello, two nits from a lurker: # drio@ics.uci.edu / 2004-08-10 16:27:29 -0700: > + > + Webfonts (x11-fonts/webfonts) > + will allow your browser to render webpages using the right > + fonts. To do that, run the following commands: > + > + > + > + &prompt.root; cd > /usr/ports/x11-fonts/webfonts > + &prompt.root; make install clean > + Chapter on x11 shouldn't IMO teach the reader about using ports. > + > + Finally, tell the X server that there are new fonts to load: > + > + > + FontPath > "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/webfonts/" > What is the reader supposed to do with the text? -- FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE 2:37AM up 20:23, 3 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.05, 0.01 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 11 04:32:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B5616A4CE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:32:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd.org.cn (dns3.freebsd.org.cn [61.129.66.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 449EB43D3F for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:32:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from delphij@frontfree.net) Received: (qmail 94791 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2004 04:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beastie.frontfree.net) (219.239.98.7) by mail.freebsd.org.cn with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 04:29:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.frontfree.net [127.0.0.1]) by beastie.frontfree.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6D9119C2 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:31:53 +0800 (CST) Received: from beastie.frontfree.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (beastie.frontfree.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01335-06 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:31:49 +0800 (CST) Received: by beastie.frontfree.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6F612119BD; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:31:49 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:31:49 +0800 From: Xin LI To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040811043149.GA1860@frontfree.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wac7ysb48OaltWcw" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-key-ID/Fingerprint: 0xCAEEB8C0 / 43B8 B703 B8DD 0231 B333 DC28 39FB 93A0 CAEE B8C0 X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.delphij.net/delphij.asc X-Operating-System: FreeBSD beastie.frontfree.net 5.2-delphij FreeBSD 5.2-delphij #3: Fri Jul 30 20:01:43 CST 2004 delphij@beastie.frontfree.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BEASTIE i386 X-URL: http://www.delphij.net X-By: delphij@beastie.frontfree.net X-Location: Beijing, China X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at frontfree.net Subject: Is it possible to change conversation behavior? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:32:02 -0000 --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, freebsd-doc, When we have a tag in sgml doc, we will get ``'' in the rendered output. Is it possible to change this behavior, e.g. change it to something like ``,, or similiar? Thanks in advance! --=20 Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ See complete headers for GPG key and other information. --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBGaE1OfuToMruuMARApHFAJ4xHloIXL8TpEAWMlUPAoLDaxoNJwCghbfq HMPNUnatrVTxr3+Gwl0nk8I= =Aujx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wac7ysb48OaltWcw-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 11 04:47:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9D016A4CE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:47:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wingfoot.org (caduceus.wingfoot.org [64.32.179.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9532B43D41 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:47:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ges+lists@wingfoot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13861F4496; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 44653-06; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-44c47f78.dyn.optonline.net [68.196.127.120]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFFC1F446C; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4119A4DA.1050700@wingfoot.org> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:47:22 -0400 From: Glenn Sieb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040626 Thunderbird/0.7.1 Mnenhy/0.6.0.104 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roman Neuhauser , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> <4116906E.8060408@elvandar.org> <4116ED12.3000809@wingfoot.org> <20040810181651.GA4929@isis.wad.cz> <411916DB.3060307@wingfoot.org> <20040810192520.GB4929@isis.wad.cz> In-Reply-To: <20040810192520.GB4929@isis.wad.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wingfoot.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:47:46 -0000 Roman Neuhauser said the following on 8/10/2004 3:25 PM: > I see you mix "in BSD" with "for BSD" as you see fit for your > argument. Yes, Apache *is* developed *in BSD*, besides other > operating systems (and *for* BSD, besides other operating systems). > > Not intentionally, Roman. Don't see attacks where there are none. I've said (repeatedly now) that I love the OS and have been using it since version 4.1. (Actually I think it was 4.1 beta) > Apache's AcceptFilter is AFAICT a FreeBSD-specific feature, which > would even make it fit your slightly shifted definition ("developed > *for* BSD). > > Cool.. I didn't know that! :) > But you're missing the fact that you're changing the playground in the > middle of the game. > > Again, as I've said, not intentionally. > Oh, here we're back at "develop in". You should have said in the > previous mail that you "don't see Oracle, Legato, or Veritas > development happening in BSD". Your previous statement implied much > broader scope. > > Yes, well. Thanks to Mercury being retrograde again. So let's put the knives down and discuss things that maybe we can do to help encourage vendors to make their software available for BSD. Personally, I think Oracle Collab Suite (as a prime example) would do amazingly well on a BSD platform. But of course, I'm a little biased that way :) Best, G. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 11 07:02:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C49E16A4CE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:02:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.dkm.cz (smtp.dkm.cz [62.24.64.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ECF8643D54 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:02:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neuhauser@chello.cz) Received: (qmail 61399 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2004 07:02:04 -0000 Received: from r3al61.chello.upc.cz (HELO isis.wad.cz) (213.220.229.61) by smtp.dkm.cz with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 07:02:03 -0000 Received: by isis.wad.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B5C002FDA01; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:02:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:02:03 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Glenn Sieb Message-ID: <20040811070203.GA678@isis.wad.cz> References: <1091989450.570.2.camel@dude.automatvapen.se> <20040808202351.GV87690@submonkey.net> <41168DF7.2090601@wingfoot.org> <4116906E.8060408@elvandar.org> <4116ED12.3000809@wingfoot.org> <20040810181651.GA4929@isis.wad.cz> <411916DB.3060307@wingfoot.org> <20040810192520.GB4929@isis.wad.cz> <4119A4DA.1050700@wingfoot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4119A4DA.1050700@wingfoot.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questionable statement in article X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:02:06 -0000 # ges+lists@wingfoot.org / 2004-08-11 00:47:22 -0400: > Roman Neuhauser said the following on 8/10/2004 3:25 PM: > > > I see you mix "in BSD" with "for BSD" as you see fit for your > > argument. Yes, Apache *is* developed *in BSD*, besides other > > operating systems (and *for* BSD, besides other operating systems). > > Not intentionally, Roman. Don't see attacks where there are none. Please accepty my apology. > So let's put the knives down and discuss things that maybe we can do to > help encourage vendors to make their software available for BSD. No amount of armchair discussion will move a vendor to increase their development and maintenance costs by supporting more operating systems. You need to vote with your money, and make sure the vendor knows they lost a deal because of lack of support for your operating system of choice. That's about all I can contribute to this topic. -- FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE 8:50AM up 53 mins, 1 user, load averages: 0.02, 0.03, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 11 10:02:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7D616A4CE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:02:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD2943D1F for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:02:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bupvj-000Ibm-6N; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:01:59 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:01:59 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Xin LI Message-ID: <20040811100159.GQ87690@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Xin LI , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20040811043149.GA1860@frontfree.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="w3gPeeaTISh83WAP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040811043149.GA1860@frontfree.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to change conversation behavior? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:02:02 -0000 --w3gPeeaTISh83WAP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:31:49PM +0800, Xin LI wrote: > Hello, freebsd-doc, >=20 > When we have a tag in sgml doc, we will get ``'' in the rendered > output. Is it possible to change this behavior, e.g. change it to someth= ing > like ``,, or similiar? I'm not sure if you're asking how to do this locally, or whether you want it changed in the FreeBSD tree. In the first instance, search for quote in doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl and make the changes you want. In the second, I like it as it is. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --w3gPeeaTISh83WAP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBGe6WocfcwTS3JF8RApmSAJwObO1hmfzuFSbNqtkTY8U3psFbkgCgpI/A UJhoqLcJn6t+XcKAPWxldyg= =xguD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --w3gPeeaTISh83WAP-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 11 10:13:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403BB16A4CE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:13:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364B443D5A for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:12:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i7BACm1a086020; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:12:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7BAClGO086019; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:12:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:12:47 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Xin LI Message-ID: <20040811101247.GA82824@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20040811043149.GA1860@frontfree.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040811043149.GA1860@frontfree.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to change conversation behavior? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:13:00 -0000 --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:31:49PM +0800, Xin LI wrote: > Hello, freebsd-doc, >=20 > When we have a tag in sgml doc, we will get ``'' in the rendered > output. Is it possible to change this behavior, e.g. change it to someth= ing > like ``,, or similiar? > You have to override gentext-zhcn-start-quote and gentext-zhcn-end-quote variables. Look at /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/common/dbl1zhcn.dsl Marc --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBGfEc81T1MWxkgcoRAkrNAJ4352UjVtZoxYDkujZiSjSeNi5hUQCdGbpB ZVgtznFOiQMlhG+9XuMfVZk= =ORwG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 11 16:10:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973C016A4D2 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:10:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8982F43D1D for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:10:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7BGASrA025898 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:10:28 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7BGAS32025897; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:10:28 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:10:28 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200408111610.i7BGAS32025897@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Joel Dahl Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E560616A4CE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:07:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F8E43D46 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:07:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7BG7B6r072886 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:07:11 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7BG7Bxj072885; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:07:11 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200408111607.i7BG7Bxj072885@www.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:07:11 GMT From: Joel Dahl To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: docs/70310: [PATCH] Add information about DragonFly X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:10:28 -0000 >Number: 70310 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Add information about DragonFly >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Aug 11 16:10:26 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joel Dahl >Release: 5.2.1 >Organization: n/a >Environment: FreeBSD dude.automatvapen.se 5.2.1-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p9 #1: Sat Jul 10 16:52:28 CEST 2004 root@dude.automatvapen.se:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WORKSTATION i386 >Description: This diff adds some basic information about DragonFly to /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.html. I think we should include at least some info since DragonFly reached 1.0 a while ago. >How-To-Repeat: n/a >Fix: http://www.automatvapen.se/freebsd/patches/dfly.diff >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 11 16:38:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD45016A4CE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:38:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zero.ics.uci.edu (zero.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8669A43D2F for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:38:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drio@ics.uci.edu) Received: from kurene.ics.uci.edu (kurene.ics.uci.edu [128.195.38.105]) by zero.ics.uci.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7BGatBZ021510 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kurene.ics.uci.edu (Postfix, from userid 505) id 47329152E94; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:39:12 -0700 From: David Rio Deiros To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040811163912.GA24298@ics.uci.edu> References: <20040528001302.GA1293@ics.uci.edu> <20040528161638.GA2269@ics.uci.edu> <40B7F22F.2020308@pacific.net.sg> <20040810232729.GA22994@ics.uci.edu> <20040811011329.GC4929@isis.wad.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040811011329.GC4929@isis.wad.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-100, required 5, USER_IN_WHITELIST) Subject: Re: Handbook (X window system section) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:38:42 -0000 > > /usr/ports/x11-fonts/webfonts > > + &prompt.root; make install clean > > + > > Chapter on x11 shouldn't IMO teach the reader about using ports. Well, in the Type1 section we are teaching the reader in the same way. So this is why I included that. > > + > > + Finally, tell the X server that there are new fonts to load: > > + > > + > > + FontPath > > "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/webfonts/" > > > > What is the reader supposed to do with the text? Oh.. It would be better: To tell the X Server that these fonts exist, add an appropriate line to the XF86Config file (in /etc/ for XFree86 version 3, or in /etc/X11/ for version 4), which reads............. Does is sound better? David. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 12 03:49:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F5D16A4CE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 03:49:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd.org.cn (dns3.freebsd.org.cn [61.129.66.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BEBA43D1F for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 03:49:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from delphij@frontfree.net) Received: (qmail 908 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2004 03:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beastie.frontfree.net) (219.239.98.7) by mail.freebsd.org.cn with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 03:46:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.frontfree.net [127.0.0.1]) by beastie.frontfree.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5C311EC1; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:49:16 +0800 (CST) Received: from beastie.frontfree.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (beastie.frontfree.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00896-06; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:49:11 +0800 (CST) Received: by beastie.frontfree.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E0A5011CDE; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:49:10 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:49:10 +0800 From: Xin LI To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20040812034910.GB305@frontfree.net> References: <20040811043149.GA1860@frontfree.net> <20040811101247.GA82824@abigail.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JYK4vJDZwFMowpUq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040811101247.GA82824@abigail.blackend.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-key-ID/Fingerprint: 0xCAEEB8C0 / 43B8 B703 B8DD 0231 B333 DC28 39FB 93A0 CAEE B8C0 X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.delphij.net/delphij.asc X-Operating-System: FreeBSD beastie.frontfree.net 5.2-delphij FreeBSD 5.2-delphij #3: Fri Jul 30 20:01:43 CST 2004 delphij@beastie.frontfree.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BEASTIE i386 X-URL: http://www.delphij.net X-By: delphij@beastie.frontfree.net X-Location: Beijing, China X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at frontfree.net cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to change conversation behavior? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 03:49:21 -0000 --JYK4vJDZwFMowpUq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:12:47PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > You have to override gentext-zhcn-start-quote and > gentext-zhcn-end-quote variables. Look at > /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/common/dbl1zhcn.dsl Thanks for the suggestion! Cheers, --=20 Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ See complete headers for GPG key and other information. --JYK4vJDZwFMowpUq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBGui2OfuToMruuMARAlouAJwLLVduq/x1Bf3q0zEKXBZsCfgUVACfU/6+ QuykizGUXyFP+FF0yaWCQPI= =pFtz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JYK4vJDZwFMowpUq-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 12 04:16:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAC716A4CE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 04:16:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd.org.cn (dns3.freebsd.org.cn [61.129.66.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 42F4D43D48 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 04:16:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from delphij@frontfree.net) Received: (qmail 1024 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2004 04:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beastie.frontfree.net) (219.239.98.7) by mail.freebsd.org.cn with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 04:14:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.frontfree.net [127.0.0.1]) by beastie.frontfree.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF4911E70; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:48:29 +0800 (CST) Received: from beastie.frontfree.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (beastie.frontfree.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00631-03; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:48:24 +0800 (CST) Received: by beastie.frontfree.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A64F011CDE; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:48:23 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:48:23 +0800 From: Xin LI To: Ceri Davies , "@frontfree.net"@frontfree.net Message-ID: <20040812034823.GA305@frontfree.net> References: <20040811043149.GA1860@frontfree.net> <20040811100159.GQ87690@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="T4sUOijqQbZv57TR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040811100159.GQ87690@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-key-ID/Fingerprint: 0xCAEEB8C0 / 43B8 B703 B8DD 0231 B333 DC28 39FB 93A0 CAEE B8C0 X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.delphij.net/delphij.asc X-Operating-System: FreeBSD beastie.frontfree.net 5.2-delphij FreeBSD 5.2-delphij #3: Fri Jul 30 20:01:43 CST 2004 delphij@beastie.frontfree.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BEASTIE i386 X-URL: http://www.delphij.net X-By: delphij@beastie.frontfree.net X-Location: Beijing, China X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at frontfree.net cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to change conversation behavior? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 04:16:47 -0000 --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:01:59AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:31:49PM +0800, Xin LI wrote: > > Hello, freebsd-doc, > >=20 > > When we have a tag in sgml doc, we will get ``'' in the rendered > > output. Is it possible to change this behavior, e.g. change it to some= thing > > like ``,, or similiar? >=20 > I'm not sure if you're asking how to do this locally, or whether you > want it changed in the FreeBSD tree. Locally, of course :-) I just took an example that is viewable on all lang= uage settings. Actually, there is complains that the Simplified Chinese transla= tion of these documentations appears wierd on a Windows box. May override these settings in the Simplified Chinese tree, anyway? Cheers, --=20 Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ See complete headers for GPG key and other information. --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBGuiHOfuToMruuMARAmEkAJ9ZhUt2nBhsDurrp/kjUF4ERWK9+wCfbnTs E/xR+r0on6hxPCyAzty9Nfc= =9it+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 12 10:01:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9DA16A4CE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:01:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E9F43D31 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:01:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1BvCOs-000JMG-3v; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:01:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:01:34 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Xin LI Message-ID: <20040812100134.GD87690@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Xin LI , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20040811043149.GA1860@frontfree.net> <20040811100159.GQ87690@submonkey.net> <20040812034823.GA305@frontfree.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MrYn40gufhvT+RW4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040812034823.GA305@frontfree.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to change conversation behavior? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:01:36 -0000 --MrYn40gufhvT+RW4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 11:48:23AM +0800, Xin LI wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:01:59AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:31:49PM +0800, Xin LI wrote: > > > Hello, freebsd-doc, > > >=20 > > > When we have a tag in sgml doc, we will get ``'' in the rende= red > > > output. Is it possible to change this behavior, e.g. change it to so= mething > > > like ``,, or similiar? > >=20 > > I'm not sure if you're asking how to do this locally, or whether you > > want it changed in the FreeBSD tree. >=20 > Locally, of course :-) I just took an example that is viewable on all la= nguage > settings. Actually, there is complains that the Simplified Chinese trans= lation > of these documentations appears wierd on a Windows box. >=20 > May override these settings in the Simplified Chinese tree, anyway? If it solves an issue that makes those documents difficult to read, absolutely. Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --MrYn40gufhvT+RW4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBGz/9ocfcwTS3JF8RAuzhAJ9fT3SZkic3aNkRx+uJUlsFvGaTBwCfVp4z AX4aL7ENQ8GZKQoT5O2B9oQ= =mqVt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MrYn40gufhvT+RW4-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 12 13:38:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C8616A4CE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:38:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from internet.potentialtech.com (h-66-167-251-6.phlapafg.covad.net [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA19E43D46 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:38:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from working.potentialtech.com (pa-plum-cmts1e-68-68-113-64.pittpa.adelphia.net [68.68.113.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by internet.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E557969A71 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:38:43 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: doc@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040812093843.30d57ad7.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Organization: Potential Technologies X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FAQ entry on calcru could use updated X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:38:46 -0000 This FAQ entry is woefully out of date: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/troubleshoot.html#CALCRU-NEGATIVE The sysctl referenced doesn't even exist in newer versions of FreeBSD. I was going to write up a patch, when I found out that this entry: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/troubleshoot.html#LAPTOP-CLOCK-SKEW actually contains the fix that I've used whenever I get the calcru problem on 5.x. I would suggest eliminating the answer in the calcru entry and merging the two entries, as the solution is the same on 5.x However, I've never seen the problem on 4.x, so I don't know if the technique of setting kern.timecounter.method=1 workes or not. Comments? Suggestions? -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 12 14:53:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC95616A4CE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:53:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A394943D55 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:53:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i7CEr0Z4034189; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:53:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7CEqx7Z034188; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:52:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:52:59 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Jim Worrest Message-ID: <20040812145258.GB27243@abigail.blackend.org> References: <41189D16.3050907@inebraska.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41189D16.3050907@inebraska.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: handbook.rtf X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:53:03 -0000 On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 05:01:58AM -0500, Jim Worrest wrote: > This file seems to be messed up. I downloaded the zip file, and it > didn't extract right at all. I suppose I should have been suspicious of > it, since was smaller than the zip file of the txt, while the opposite > should be true. ---Jim http://people.freebsd.org/~blackend/book.rtf.tar.gz is a working version with images. The program used to convert the Handbook to rtf is unable to embed images but links them, it's why I provide a tarball. You should be able to read it under any rtf viewer (I just did tests under OOo 1.1). Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 12 15:04:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA2716A4CE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:04:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bas.flux.utah.edu (bas.flux.utah.edu [155.98.60.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1D743D53 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:04:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mac@macnewbold.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bas.flux.utah.edu (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id i7CF40wN001431; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mac@macnewbold.com) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:04:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Mac Newbold X-X-Sender: newbold@bas.flux.utah.edu To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040812085918.X61374@bas.flux.utah.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: bug in handbook, 22.10 SMTP Authentication X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:04:03 -0000 It seems that one very important step is missing in this documentat. At the very end, it mentions adding some lines to /etc/rc.conf to ensure that pwcheck is started on every reboot. However, they neglect to mention that before anything will work, you have to manually start pwcheck the first time. I think the solution is to add something at either the end of step 5, or the beginning of step 6 (before "make install restart" in /etc/mail/) that suggests that users run /usr/local/sbin/pwcheck as root. Another thing that could be added, if desired, which I found helpful, is something like they do here: http://veldt.com/2003/08/smtp-auth-ssl-with-sendmail-freebsd/ The SSL setup instructions would be helpful and useful, but what I'm referring to is the description of what to look for when you "telnet localhost 25", and "ehlo". Knowing that you can check for "250 AUTH LOGIN" to verify that it is working properly is very helpful. Thanks, Mac -- Mac Newbold MNE - Mac Newbold Enterprises, LLC mac@macnewbold.com http://www.macnewbold.com/ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 13 08:10:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F133F16A4CE for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2F343D41 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:10:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7D8AMxq062566 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:10:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7D8AM2g062565; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:10:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:10:22 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200408130810.i7D8AM2g062565@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Joel Dahl Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B9616A4CF for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:06:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C3E43D3F for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:06:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7D86Lx9062042 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:06:21 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7D86L0b062041; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:06:21 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200408130806.i7D86L0b062041@www.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:06:21 GMT From: Joel Dahl To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: docs/70397: [PATCH] X.org & x.org used in faq/x.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:10:23 -0000 >Number: 70397 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] X.org & x.org used in faq/x.html >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Aug 13 08:10:22 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joel Dahl >Release: 5.2.1 >Organization: n/a >Environment: FreeBSD dude.automatvapen.se 5.2.1-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p9 #1: Sat Jul 10 16:52:28 CEST 2004 root@dude.automatvapen.se:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WORKSTATION i386 >Description: We use both X.org (capital X) and x.org in faq/x.html. I counted to 11 X.org and 3 x.org. This diff converts all x.org to X.org. >How-To-Repeat: n/a >Fix: http://www.automatvapen.se/freebsd/patches/xorgcap.diff >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 13 09:02:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6C616A4CE for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:02:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gandalf.online.bg (gandalf.online.bg [217.75.128.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 89C0243D3F for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:02:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roam@ringlet.net) Received: (qmail 8909 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 08:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO straylight.m.ringlet.net) (217.75.134.254) by gandalf.online.bg with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 08:56:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 48998 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Aug 2004 09:02:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:02:33 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040813090233.GD5660@straylight.m.ringlet.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u65IjBhB3TIa72Vp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: FreeBSD and &os; in the FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:02:32 -0000 --u65IjBhB3TIa72Vp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Would it be a good idea to change most occurrences of 'FreeBSD' to '&os;' in the FAQ? There are 537 'FreeBSD's and 13 'os;'s; of course, the 'Channel #FreeBSDhelp' does not count ;) G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@cnsys.bg roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 This sentence contradicts itself - or rather - well, no, actually it doesn'= t! --u65IjBhB3TIa72Vp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBHIOp7Ri2jRYZRVMRAiLtAJ4v4lC8VAsyjnPrhQG/zEc7+yX04ACfd1RY Uz7LEQvzzSAW0TrlFSzCnBs= =RjOH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u65IjBhB3TIa72Vp-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 13 09:16:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA91816A4CE for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:16:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from eddie.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D66143D1D for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:16:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@eddie.nitro.dk) Received: by eddie.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4BD4511819; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:16:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:16:56 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040813091655.GB65295@eddie.nitro.dk> References: <20040813090233.GD5660@straylight.m.ringlet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="liOOAslEiF7prFVr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040813090233.GD5660@straylight.m.ringlet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: FreeBSD and &os; in the FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:16:58 -0000 --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2004.08.13 12:02:33 +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Would it be a good idea to change most occurrences of 'FreeBSD' to > '&os;' in the FAQ? There are 537 'FreeBSD's and 13 'os;'s; of course, > the 'Channel #FreeBSDhelp' does not count ;) As I understand it, the current unwritten policy is to use &os; in new text or to change it if you touch a part of a document anyway (then only change it in the parts you touch). But I don't feel strongly about it either way. Another thing is that we actually have to change Linux to &linux; soon since I found out they (www.linuxmark.org) actually want people to use trademark symbol... fun fun. [simon@somesystem:en_US.ISO8859-1] find . -name '*.sgml' | xargs grep -i li= nux | wc -l 523 --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBHIcHh9pcDSc1mlERApPGAJ9u3EUJDVhqDiYOltQsNLyOOioOvgCgg9Il ayuY2KcLQET5WZEYDMtRHjQ= =Y3lc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --liOOAslEiF7prFVr-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 13 10:50:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7A916A4CE for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:50:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD3B43D2D for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:50:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7DAoBdI077949 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:50:11 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7DAoBsw077948; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:50:11 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:50:11 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200408131050.i7DAoBsw077948@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, James Raftery Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429C316A4CE for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:45:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from worf.kerna.com (worf.kerna.com [194.106.143.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DD8943D2F for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:45:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from james@now.ie) Received: (qmail 98899 invoked by uid 1012); 13 Aug 2004 10:45:31 -0000 Message-Id: <20040813104531.98898.qmail@bender.kerna.ie> Date: 13 Aug 2004 10:45:31 -0000 From: James Raftery To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/70402: [patch] MNT_SNAPSHOT not documented in mount(2) man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: James Raftery List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:50:12 -0000 >Number: 70402 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [patch] MNT_SNAPSHOT not documented in mount(2) man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Aug 13 10:50:11 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: James Raftery >Release: FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD bender.kerna.ie 4.10-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE #0: Tue Jun 1 18:01:29 IST 2004 root@bender.kerna.ie:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BENDER i386 >Description: The MNT_SNAPSHOT mount option isn't documented in the man page for mount(2). >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: Patch below to src/lib/libc/sys/mount.2 --- freebsd-mount.2-patch begins here --- --- mount.2.orig Fri Aug 13 11:25:21 2004 +++ mount.2 Fri Aug 13 11:28:59 2004 @@ -129,6 +129,8 @@ Disable read clustering. .It Dv MNT_NOCLUSTERW Disable write clustering. +.It Dv MNT_SNAPSHOT +Snapshot the filesystem. .El .Pp The flag --- freebsd-mount.2-patch ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 13 13:50:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5561E16A4CE for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:50:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F4243D3F for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:50:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7DDoSdf097797 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:50:28 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7DDoOnk097765; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:50:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:50:24 GMT Message-Id: <200408131350.i7DDoOnk097765@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Peter Pentchev Subject: Re: docs/70402: [patch] MNT_SNAPSHOT not documented in mount(2) man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Peter Pentchev List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:50:28 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/70402; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Peter Pentchev To: James Raftery Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/70402: [patch] MNT_SNAPSHOT not documented in mount(2) man page Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:47:38 +0300 On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:45:31AM -0000, James Raftery wrote: > > >Number: 70402 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: [patch] MNT_SNAPSHOT not documented in mount(2) man page > >Description: > The MNT_SNAPSHOT mount option isn't documented in the man page > for mount(2). What do you think about the following patch instead? G'luck, Peter Index: src/lib/libc/sys/mount.2 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libc/sys/mount.2,v retrieving revision 1.39 diff -u -r1.39 mount.2 --- src/lib/libc/sys/mount.2 30 Jun 2004 20:09:10 -0000 1.39 +++ src/lib/libc/sys/mount.2 13 Aug 2004 13:46:00 -0000 @@ -133,6 +133,11 @@ .It Dv MNT_NODEV Do not interpret special files on the file system. This flag is set automatically when the caller is not the super-user. +.It Dv MNT_SNAPSHOT +Create a snapshot of the file system. +This is currently only supported on UFS2 file systems, see +.Xr mksnap_ffs 8 +for more information. .It Dv MNT_SUIDDIR Directories with the SUID bit set chown new files to their own owner. This flag requires the SUIDDIR option to have been compiled into the kernel @@ -358,6 +363,7 @@ mounted. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr lsvfs 1 , +.Xr mksnap_ffs 8 , .Xr mount 8 , .Xr umount 8 .Sh BUGS -- Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@cnsys.bg roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 If there were no counterfactuals, this sentence would not have been paradoxical. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 13 14:00:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EF016A4CF for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:00:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A27E43D54 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:00:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7DE0jnL098157 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:00:45 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7DE0j6c098156; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:00:45 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:00:45 GMT Message-Id: <200408131400.i7DE0j6c098156@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: James Raftery Subject: Re: docs/70402: [patch] MNT_SNAPSHOT not documented in mount(2) man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: James Raftery List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:00:47 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/70402; it has been noted by GNATS. From: James Raftery To: Peter Pentchev Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/70402: [patch] MNT_SNAPSHOT not documented in mount(2) man page Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:53:39 +0100 On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 04:47:38PM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:45:31AM -0000, James Raftery wrote: > > > > >Number: 70402 > > >Category: docs > > >Synopsis: [patch] MNT_SNAPSHOT not documented in mount(2) man page > > >Description: > > The MNT_SNAPSHOT mount option isn't documented in the man page > > for mount(2). > > What do you think about the following patch instead? I think it's better than mine and should be used instead :) ATB, james -- Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like bananas. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 13 14:33:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6B316A4CE; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:33:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF6A43D5D; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:33:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roam@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (roam@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i7DEXYwb005152; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:33:34 GMT (envelope-from roam@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from roam@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7DEXYsw005148; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:33:34 GMT (envelope-from roam) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:33:34 GMT From: Peter Pentchev Message-Id: <200408131433.i7DEXYsw005148@freefall.freebsd.org> To: james@now.ie, roam@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/70402: [patch] MNT_SNAPSHOT not documented in mount(2) man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:33:34 -0000 Synopsis: [patch] MNT_SNAPSHOT not documented in mount(2) man page State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: roam State-Changed-When: Fri Aug 13 14:33:24 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=70402 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 13 18:04:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F9B16A4CF; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:04:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862BC43D3F; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:04:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-239-170.zoominternet.net [24.154.239.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7DI4j0l043412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:04:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:05:20 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: FreeBSD-security@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20040813140520.7531a620@localhost.pittgoth.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: secteam@FreeBSD.org Subject: Center for Internet Security releases FreeBSD benchmark + tool X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:04:48 -0000 Greetings, The Center for Internet Security has just released a benchmark and scoring tool for FreeBSD. http://www.cisecurity.org/bench_freebsd.html You can also see the announcement on their home page: http://www.cisecurity.org -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 14 11:25:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C215116A4D1 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:25:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C73A43D46 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:25:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bvwez-000HrV-LQ for doc@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:25:17 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:25:17 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040814112517.GO87690@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+jMesTDEFHiw5APJ" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies Subject: Hands off the glossary X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:25:18 -0000 --+jMesTDEFHiw5APJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warren Block has very kindly submitted a patch that adds all currently used acronyms to the glossary. There is still some work to do on it, which I am doing today, but it's a big patch and I will probably cry if I have to merge in other changes once I'm done. This will probably take me a few hours. Therefore, could every one please refrain from committing to freebsd-glossary.sgml until I confirm that I'm finished? It would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --+jMesTDEFHiw5APJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBHfadocfcwTS3JF8RAjXpAJ485wj3YvqsKse1EeAW7sm7iQkHsQCggAEh gac7GVzS6qgr6rfDm0JyENU= =j7hm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+jMesTDEFHiw5APJ-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 14 15:37:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D2716A4CE for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:37:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C6A43D49 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:37:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bw0ac-000JcM-L1 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:37:02 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:37:02 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040814153702.GS87690@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20040814112517.GO87690@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m7GK0ytKUM7VScCy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040814112517.GO87690@submonkey.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: Hands off the glossary X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:37:03 -0000 --m7GK0ytKUM7VScCy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 12:25:17PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: >=20 > Warren Block has very kindly submitted a patch that adds all currently > used acronyms to the glossary. There is still some work to do on it, > which I am doing today, but it's a big patch and I will probably cry if > I have to merge in other changes once I'm done. This will probably take > me a few hours. >=20 > Therefore, could every one please refrain from committing to > freebsd-glossary.sgml until I confirm that I'm finished? It would be > much appreciated. This has now been committed - thank you. Now get your hands in there and start filling in those entries ;-) Ceri --=20 It is not tinfoil, it is my new skin. I am a robot. --m7GK0ytKUM7VScCy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBHjGeocfcwTS3JF8RAiS8AJ9Yp0cB6cgKJ0a/4AZwr3Z+dFHMAACeLZOy GsEnm+0BH6wRsB9CMCWBezU= =kKnn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m7GK0ytKUM7VScCy-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 14 22:07:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEF516A4CE for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:07:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web14824.mail.yahoo.com (web14824.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C056543D1F for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:07:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rosti_bsd@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040814220758.19994.qmail@web14824.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.143.154.227] by web14824.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:07:58 PDT Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:07:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rostislav Krasny To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: `man 1 chflags` is not clear X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:07:58 -0000 Hello there. I think that following part of `man 1 chflags` is not clear: The flags are specified as an octal number or a comma separated list of keywords. The following keywords are currently defined: arch set the archived flag (super-user only) opaque set the opaque flag (owner or super-user only) nodump set the nodump flag (owner or super-user only) sappnd set the system append-only flag (super-user only) schg set the system immutable flag (super-user only) sunlnk set the system undeletable flag (super-user only) uappnd set the user append-only flag (owner or super-user only) uchg set the user immutable flag (owner or super-user only) uunlnk set the user undeletable flag (owner or super-user only) archived, sappend, schange, simmutable, uappend, uchange, uimmutable, sunlink, uunlink aliases for the above The list of the aliases say nothing about what keyword is the alias of what another keyword in the above list. It also say nothing about that some keywords have two aliases. IMHO the above part of the manual should looks about like following: The flags are specified as an octal number or a comma separated list of keywords. The following keywords are currently defined: arch archived set the archived flag (super-user only) opaque set the opaque flag (owner or super-user only) nodump set the nodump flag (owner or super-user only) sappnd sappend set the system append-only flag (super-user only) schg schange simmutable set the system immutable flag (super-user only) sunlnk sunlink set the system undeletable flag (super-user only) uappnd uappend set the user append-only flag (owner or super-user only) uchg uchange uimmutable set the user immutable flag (owner or super-user only) uunlnk uunlink set the user undeletable flag (owner or super-user only) What do you think? Thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail