From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 23:04:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9EF16A4CE for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:04:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from p5481240D.dip.t-dialin.net (p5481240D.dip.t-dialin.net [84.129.36.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F3DF43D1D for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:04:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rrvthubs@freebsd.org) Received: from 216.136.204.125 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 84.129.36.13 (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id for hubs@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:04:07 -0600 Received: from [216.136.204.125] (Forwarded-For: [84.129.36.13]) by 216.136.204.125 (mshttpd); Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:04:07 -0600 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:04:07 -0600 From: rrvthubs@freebsd.org <"Barton Kerr"@FreeBSD.ORG> To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-id: X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit Content-disposition: inline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've added the i386/packages-5-stable/ directory and removed the old i386/packages-5-current/ since it is no longer referenced by pkg_add -r. Kris ----- Forwarded message from Kris Kennaway ----- X-Original-To: kkenn@localhost Delivered-To: kkenn@localhost.obsecurity.org Delivered-To: kris@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:50:16 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: stable@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: New 5.x packages uploaded X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-UIDL: h@5"!#fT"!908"!7f["! X-Bogosity: No, tests=3Dbogofilter, spamicity=3D0.000000, version=3D0.92.8 I've uploaded new packages for 5.3-stable; they'll make their way onto the ftp mirrors over the next day or so. Included are the new versions of GNOME and KDE, among others. Kris ----- End forwarded message ----- --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBl/3fWry0BWjoQKURAogfAKCvo06T2kFXN2hcsA+VQQTbm3ezKACgqyeJ G7gEZMMcJguOK/Ms7bVAoOQ= =B4Px -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 05:54:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B7F16A50F for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:54:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from exhsto1.se.dataphone.com (exhsto1.se.dataphone.com [212.37.6.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953F443D31 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:54:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from patrik.forsberg@dataphone.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:54:11 +0100 Message-ID: <375DD163B075E34EA3C10A6286E34A5472E23C@exhsto1.se.dataphone.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [kris@obsecurity.org: New 5.x packages uploaded] Thread-Index: AcTKrRNAyKiuoyZ4RgGJvOYF3OsgFgAKeOkg From: "Patrik Forsberg" To: Subject: RE: [kris@obsecurity.org: New 5.x packages uploaded] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:54:19 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Kris Kennaway > Sent: den 15 november 2004 01:53 > To: hubs@freebsd.org > Subject: [kris@obsecurity.org: New 5.x packages uploaded] >=20 > I've added the i386/packages-5-stable/ directory and removed the old > i386/packages-5-current/ since it is no longer referenced by pkg_add > -r. >=20 > Kris Received the following error on my last sync from ftp-master.cz.freebsd.org at 06:15 " receiving file list ... rsync: opendir "/ports/i386/packages-5-stable" (in FreeBSD) failed: Permission denied (13) done IO error encountered - skipping file deletion "=20 So I guess someone set the permissions wrong ? Regards, paddy From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 09:15:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D0416A4D1 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:15:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C26143D3F for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:15:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received-SPF: pass (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: domain of cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz designates 127.0.0.1 as permitted sender) receiver=kazi.fit.vutbr.cz; client_ip=127.0.0.1; envelope-from=cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz; Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAF9F6YO081863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:15:06 +0100 (CET) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.11/8.12.5/Submit) id iAF9F6Sk081862; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:15:06 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:15:06 +0100 From: Rudolf Cejka To: Patrik Forsberg Message-ID: <20041115091506.GA80708@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <375DD163B075E34EA3C10A6286E34A5472E23C@exhsto1.se.dataphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <375DD163B075E34EA3C10A6286E34A5472E23C@exhsto1.se.dataphone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [kris@obsecurity.org: New 5.x packages uploaded] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:15:13 -0000 Patrik Forsberg wrote (2004/11/15): > Received the following error on my last sync from > ftp-master.cz.freebsd.org at 06:15 > " > receiving file list ... rsync: opendir "/ports/i386/packages-5-stable" > (in FreeBSD) failed: Permission denied (13) > done > IO error encountered - skipping file deletion > " > So I guess someone set the permissions wrong ? It is currently downloading packages-5-stable from ftp-master.freebsd.org, so please wait for some time (the log can be viewed as ftp-master.cz.FreeBSD.org:/pub/logs/cvsup/update.log). Regards. -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 11:00:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A0216A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:00:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B798E43D39 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:00:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received-SPF: pass (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: domain of cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz designates 127.0.0.1 as permitted sender) receiver=kazi.fit.vutbr.cz; client_ip=127.0.0.1; envelope-from=cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz; Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAFB0V40000215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:00:31 +0100 (CET) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.11/8.12.5/Submit) id iAFB0VPJ000214; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:00:31 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:00:31 +0100 From: Rudolf Cejka To: Patrik Forsberg Message-ID: <20041115110031.GA99492@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <375DD163B075E34EA3C10A6286E34A5472E23C@exhsto1.se.dataphone.com> <20041115091506.GA80708@fit.vutbr.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041115091506.GA80708@fit.vutbr.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [kris@obsecurity.org: New 5.x packages uploaded] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:00:35 -0000 Rudolf Cejka wrote (2004/11/15): > It is currently downloading packages-5-stable from ftp-master.freebsd.org, > so please wait for some time (the log can be viewed as > ftp-master.cz.FreeBSD.org:/pub/logs/cvsup/update.log). Regards. The update is done and access to packages-5-stable is allowed since now (it is the way how cvsup does internaly work and I just checked cvsup log). -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 02:14:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25A916A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:14:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [204.152.187.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950D043D31 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:14:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Peter_Losher@isc.org) Received: from tardis.isc.org (tardis.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBFF67502 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:14:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter_Losher@isc.org) From: Peter Losher Organization: ISC To: hubs@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:14:55 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart11465881.U5QxWXj4Q5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200411161814.58038.Peter_Losher@isc.org> Subject: Another permissions hic-cup from ftp-master... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:14:50 -0000 --nextPart11465881.U5QxWXj4Q5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Server warning: Cannot open=20 "/home/cvsupd/prefixes/FreeBSD-archive/FreeBSD/development/CTM/cvs-cur/.cvs= =2Dcur.10800xEmpty.gz.dRv0me":=20 Permission denied =2DPeter =2D-=20 Peter_Losher@isc.org | ISC | OpenPGP 0xE8048D08 | "The bits must flow" --nextPart11465881.U5QxWXj4Q5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBmrQhPtVx9OgEjQgRAmS1AJwKBet12+mSunNJjEFgDF8g25dGXwCfQ6B8 XWXcvT5nOZs3BmnJ3h3Gc7Y= =Iolb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart11465881.U5QxWXj4Q5-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 02:24:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941E016A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:24:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.194.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2FA43D54 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:24:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DFD0D5128A; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:27:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:27:14 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Peter Losher Message-ID: <20041117022714.GA94713@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200411161814.58038.Peter_Losher@isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200411161814.58038.Peter_Losher@isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another permissions hic-cup from ftp-master... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:24:10 -0000 --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 06:14:55PM -0800, Peter Losher wrote: > Server warning: Cannot open=20 > "/home/cvsupd/prefixes/FreeBSD-archive/FreeBSD/development/CTM/cvs-cur/.c= vs-cur.10800xEmpty.gz.dRv0me":=20 > Permission denied Looks like a temporary file you didn't want to download anyway; perhaps you updated while the CTM directory was also being updated. Kris --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBmrcCWry0BWjoQKURAkOFAKCnQtVPpDhd/8it2oQUhZEnp8q7KgCgxq5W m6k8GQtap1sPEUKPsMShg6A= =SXPn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 05:21:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A2D16A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:21:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EA943D2D for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:21:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: from luna (luna [202.83.72.190]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7874B5040E for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:21:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:21:02 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:21:04 -0000 i've finally finished updating the ISO trees and release trees for the FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE on ftp.au.freebsd.org and working on ftp2.au.freebsd.org - it has taken a while given the original release date. how are other admins going with this ? i'm still working on updating the package trees for all architectures - i think sparc64 and amd64 completed so far. given the length of time for package tree updates i'd be asking if there is any thoughts that could be raised about how better to supply package trees so they aren't `tied' to an architecture and thus appear to be released in 3-5G chunks. i've also been asked if (as other distros are doing) FreeBSD will master a DVD iso image for downloads. i'm a little confused about the -current package trees in ports/$ARCH. alpha has: packages-5.2.1-release pointing at packages-5.2 and no packages-5-current but it does have packages-4-stable amd64 has: packages-5-current AND packages-6-current i386 has packages-4-stable, packages-5-current AND packages-6-current ia64 has packages-5-current sparc64 has packages-5-current is there a uniform standard that can be applied across the various architectures or is that not possible ? how often are the -current package sets being updated ? once upon a time it was a weekly (?) rebuild. should mirrors carry this ? if not, should -current package sets be moved out into a completely separate '-current' server layout ? just as there's a separate freebsd-archive layout/server area. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 07:20:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E0616A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:20:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from exhsto1.se.dataphone.com (exhsto1.se.dataphone.com [212.37.6.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F49B43D62 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:20:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from patrik.forsberg@dataphone.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:20:19 +0100 Message-ID: <375DD163B075E34EA3C10A6286E34A5472E2E7@exhsto1.se.dataphone.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations Thread-Index: AcTMZm2l94Dm/QN/Tb24heCRISIGrQADOB4g From: "Patrik Forsberg" To: Subject: RE: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:20:26 -0000 > i've finally finished updating the ISO trees and release trees > for the FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE on ftp.au.freebsd.org and working > on ftp2.au.freebsd.org - it has taken a while given the > original release date. how are other admins going with this ? Well, we have enough speed to the closest ftp-master so we aculy had the full chrunk mirrored the same day it was out. > given the length of time for package tree updates i'd be > asking if there is any thoughts that could be raised about > how better to supply package trees so they aren't `tied' > to an architecture and thus appear to be released in 3-5G > chunks. Updates seem to go throw all the time from looking at the cvsup log.. Im not keeping any archived logs of the ftp-mirror so cant tell how that is performing. > i've also been asked if (as other distros are doing) FreeBSD > will master a DVD iso image for downloads. > > > i'm a little confused about the -current package trees in ports/$ARCH. >=20 > alpha has: >=20 > packages-5.2.1-release pointing at packages-5.2 and no > packages-5-current but it does have packages-4-stable >=20 > amd64 has: >=20 > packages-5-current AND packages-6-current >=20 > i386 has >=20 > packages-4-stable, packages-5-current AND packages-6-current >=20 > ia64 has >=20 > packages-5-current >=20 > sparc64 has >=20 > packages-5-current This can probably be explained by reading the .message file in the ports/i386 dir of the mirror " These are packages for the i386 architecture. Here are brief descriptions of each subdirectory. packages-4-stable: Packages for FreeBSD-4-stable. Updated weekly. packages-4.9-release: Packages for FreeBSD 4.9-release. packages-4.10-release: Packages for FreeBSD 4.10-release. packages-5.2.1-release: Packages for FreeBSD 5.2.1-release. packages-5.3-release: Packages for FreeBSD 5.3-release. *packages-5-current: Packages for FreeBSD-5-current. Updated weekly. *packages-6-current: Packages for FreeBSD-6-current. Updated weekly. (* - packages-5-current is currently unavailable .. sorry for the inconvenience) Unless noted otherwise, contents of these directories will not change except for critical bugfixes. " > is there a uniform standard that can be applied across the=20 > various architectures=20 > or is that not possible ? how often are the -current package=20 > sets being updated ?=20 > once upon a time it was a weekly (?) rebuild. should mirrors=20 > carry this ? if not,=20 > should -current package sets be moved out into a completely=20 > separate '-current'=20 > server layout ? just as there's a separate freebsd-archive=20 > layout/server area. The only thing I seem to be missing in the other architectures seem to be a .message file .. ? Regards, Patrik F ftp5/cvsup2/www2 .se.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 10:10:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798DE16A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:10:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B317C43D39 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:10:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (bqjylq@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAHAAfCL054212; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:10:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iAHAAfLa054210; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:10:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200411171010.iAHAAfLa054210@lurza.secnetix.de> To: jason@rtfmconsult.com (jason andrade) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:10:40 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: from "jason andrade" at Nov 17, 2004 03:21:02 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:10:45 -0000 jason andrade wrote: > i've also been asked if (as other distros are doing) FreeBSD > will master a DVD iso image for downloads. You don't need a separate DVD ISO image. You can just take the standard CD ISO image and write it to a DVD-R. Should work just fine. There's no difference between CD ISOs and DVD ISOs, except that the latter can be larger. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "The last good thing written in C was Franz Schubert's Symphony number 9." -- Erwin Dieterich From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 16:00:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1A916A4D0 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.194.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1543C43D4C for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D533D5128A; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:03:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:03:30 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20041117160330.GA71815@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AqsLC8rIMeq19msA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:21 -0000 --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 03:21:02PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > given the length of time for package tree updates i'd be > asking if there is any thoughts that could be raised about > how better to supply package trees so they aren't `tied' > to an architecture and thus appear to be released in 3-5G > chunks. package trees are absolutely tied to an architecture, because they contain compiled files that will only run on that architecture (modulo things like amd64-i386 compatibility). > i'm a little confused about the -current package trees in ports/$ARCH. alpha packages are not built regularly any more (I announced this some time ago). For other architectures we build packages for supported release branches (4.x, 5.x and 6.x). Since FreeBSD 4.x only supports i386 and alpha (but see above), that's why the others don't have 4.x packages. The missing 6.x packages are because the first such builds are not yet finished. They'll appear in the next week or so. > how often are the -current package=20 > sets being updated ? once upon a time it was a weekly (?) rebuild. All supported package branches for i386 are rebuilt roughly every week, depending on how the builds go. Other architectures are updated a bit less frequently because the builds take longer. Note that 4.x and 5.x builds are usually incremental builds thesedays, meaning that if the package doesn't change it isn't changed on the server, thus reducing mirror download bulk. > should mirrors carry this ? If at all possible, yes. Mirrors are most useful when they're complete mirrors. Kris --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBm3ZSWry0BWjoQKURAmyiAKDDTB2UICR/Z3XdQ2u2ouLbfJSALgCgsj8F LNcocEbD3FXkIsdwBw1fokk= =urEN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 20:29:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02D016A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:29:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E8343D1F for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:29:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: from luna (luna [202.83.72.190]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C6D5040E; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:29:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:29:44 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20041117160330.GA71815@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: References: <20041117160330.GA71815@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:29:48 -0000 On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: >> given the length of time for package tree updates i'd be >> asking if there is any thoughts that could be raised about >> how better to supply package trees so they aren't `tied' >> to an architecture and thus appear to be released in 3-5G >> chunks. > > package trees are absolutely tied to an architecture, because they > contain compiled files that will only run on that architecture (modulo > things like amd64-i386 compatibility). sigh, i should have been more precise, what i meant was $ARCH/$VERSION. for example, is it possible to `compress' packages within architectures if there's no problems with running 5.2.1 packages on 5.2 - does that hold for 5.2 packages on 5.3 or 5.1 ? you'd then end up with a package tree of say FreeBSD5 with only minor version specific releases. i'm only throwing this up as a future suggestion - i can understand if the package build methodology and QA means that it's easier to stick with the current system that works.. > a bit less frequently because the builds take longer. Note that 4.x > and 5.x builds are usually incremental builds thesedays, meaning that > if the package doesn't change it isn't changed on the server, thus > reducing mirror download bulk. that's pretty cool. i should start doing some stats to measure the actual rate of change in the archive. thanks ken, more work :-) >> should mirrors carry this ? > > If at all possible, yes. Mirrors are most useful when they're > complete mirrors. nod, i'm just balancing that against updating (relatively) large data sets that may not get used that much and/or it takes a while to update. in particular as the number of architectures grow then mirroring every -current package tree could result in quite a large update to all mirrors without a corresponding benefit - say 6 archs by 3G each is 18G/week in updates. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 20:35:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2049A16A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73D343D55 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:35:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: from luna (luna [202.83.72.190]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EF250410; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:35:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:35:12 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Oliver Fromme In-Reply-To: <200411171010.iAHAAfLa054210@lurza.secnetix.de> Message-ID: References: <200411171010.iAHAAfLa054210@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:35:14 -0000 On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > jason andrade wrote: > > i've also been asked if (as other distros are doing) FreeBSD > > will master a DVD iso image for downloads. > > You don't need a separate DVD ISO image. You can just take > the standard CD ISO image and write it to a DVD-R. Should > work just fine. There's no difference between CD ISOs and > DVD ISOs, except that the latter can be larger. right. other distributions use the extra space to create a DVD that has a larger package set as well as install tree. i believe the current CD ISO has a subset of the entire package tree for that release. personally i'm pretty happy with the CD sized arrangement but since i get asked i figured i'd pass it on. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 21:56:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E4616A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:56:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from istanbul.enderunix.org (freefall.marmara.edu.tr [193.140.143.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 706E343D1F for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:56:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ofsen@enderunix.org) Received: (qmail 53667 invoked by uid 89); 17 Nov 2004 21:56:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20041117215616.53663.qmail@istanbul.enderunix.org> References: <200411171010.iAHAAfLa054210@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: From: Omer Faruk Sen To: jason andrade Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:56:16 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:56:10 -0000 It can be really very nice if we had a chance to download 2 dvd images (maybe not on ftp mirros but from bittorrent or sth else) so we can have all the packages required. Currently I think this is possible just for i386 arch. But creating such 2 dvd images creates a problem. Which package will go to which DVD image? But I remember that there was a work done for FreeBSD 4.4 release. On 4.4 as you remember we could able to download 4 FreeBSD CDs with all packages in it. PS: Just a quick check: istanbul:/ftp/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386$ du -s -h packages-5.3-release/ 14G packages-5.3-release/ 14G requires more that 2 DVDs. But there are lots of language spesific packages whch can be removed right? jason andrade writes: > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Oliver Fromme wrote: > >> >> jason andrade wrote: >> > i've also been asked if (as other distros are doing) FreeBSD >> > will master a DVD iso image for downloads. >> >> You don't need a separate DVD ISO image. You can just take >> the standard CD ISO image and write it to a DVD-R. Should >> work just fine. There's no difference between CD ISOs and >> DVD ISOs, except that the latter can be larger. > > right. other distributions use the extra space to create a DVD that has a > larger package set as well as install tree. > i believe the current CD ISO has a subset of the entire > package tree for that release. > > personally i'm pretty happy with the CD sized arrangement > but since i get asked i figured i'd pass it on. > > regards, > > -jason > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hubs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hubs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ----------------------- Omer Faruk Sen http://www.EnderUNIX.ORG Software Development Team @ Turkey http://www.Faruk.NET For Public key: http://www.enderunix.org/ofsen/ofsen.asc ******************************************************** First Turkish FreeBSD book is out! Go check it. Duydunuz mu! Turkiye'nin ilk FreeBSD kitabi cikti. http://www.acikkod.com/freebsd.php From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 22:03:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807CC16A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:03:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACD743D1F for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:03:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 8910D1CC3A; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:09:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:09:04 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Omer Faruk Sen Message-ID: <20041117220904.GA61539@freebsdmall.com> References: <200411171010.iAHAAfLa054210@lurza.secnetix.de> <20041117215616.53663.qmail@istanbul.enderunix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041117215616.53663.qmail@istanbul.enderunix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: jason andrade cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:03:31 -0000 On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 11:56:16PM +0200, Omer Faruk Sen wrote: > It can be really very nice if we had a chance to download 2 dvd images > (maybe not on ftp mirros but from bittorrent or sth else) so we can have > all the packages required. Currently I think this is possible just for i386 > arch. But creating such 2 dvd images creates a problem. Which package will > go to which DVD image? But I remember that there was a work done for > FreeBSD 4.4 release. On 4.4 as you remember we could able to download 4 > FreeBSD CDs with all packages in it. Well that work is done for every release by our vendors, and I think the answer to all of these questions about ISO images is still to either support one of our CDROM/DVD vendors by purchasing a set, or to make your own images. Murray From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 22:44:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F88516A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:44:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from istanbul.enderunix.org (freefall.marmara.edu.tr [193.140.143.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 364D443D3F for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:44:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ofsen@enderunix.org) Received: (qmail 58167 invoked by uid 89); 17 Nov 2004 22:44:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20041117224457.58163.qmail@istanbul.enderunix.org> References: <200411171010.iAHAAfLa054210@lurza.secnetix.de> <20041117215616.53663.qmail@istanbul.enderunix.org> <20041117220904.GA61539@freebsdmall.com> In-Reply-To: <20041117220904.GA61539@freebsdmall.com> From: Omer Faruk Sen To: Murray Stokely Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:44:57 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: jason andrade cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:44:50 -0000 My answer is of course to support one. Normally I and my team is doing our best on promoting FreeBSD in Turkey (writing Turkish documents, writing first Turkish FreeBSD book, giving seminars, making nation and city wide organizations [which will be very soon but I will give details later when everything is %100 absolute] ) but I think it is time to support FreeBSD by other means. (Buying FreeBSD DVDs from one vendor. I have just ordered from an online freebsd mall ;) ) Best Regards... Murray Stokely writes: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 11:56:16PM +0200, Omer Faruk Sen wrote: >> It can be really very nice if we had a chance to download 2 dvd images >> (maybe not on ftp mirros but from bittorrent or sth else) so we can have >> all the packages required. Currently I think this is possible just for i386 >> arch. But creating such 2 dvd images creates a problem. Which package will >> go to which DVD image? But I remember that there was a work done for >> FreeBSD 4.4 release. On 4.4 as you remember we could able to download 4 >> FreeBSD CDs with all packages in it. > > Well that work is done for every release by our vendors, and I think > the answer to all of these questions about ISO images is still to > either support one of our CDROM/DVD vendors by purchasing a set, or to > make your own images. > > Murray ----------------------- Omer Faruk Sen http://www.EnderUNIX.ORG Software Development Team @ Turkey http://www.Faruk.NET For Public key: http://www.enderunix.org/ofsen/ofsen.asc ******************************************************** First Turkish FreeBSD book is out! Go check it. Duydunuz mu! Turkiye'nin ilk FreeBSD kitabi cikti. http://www.acikkod.com/freebsd.php From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 23:20:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35A516A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:20:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.194.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0B743D54 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:20:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B97AF51955; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:24:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:24:07 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20041117232407.GA80979@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20041117160330.GA71815@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:20:55 -0000 --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 06:29:44AM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > for example, is it possible to `compress' packages within architectures i= f=20 > there's no problems with running 5.2.1 packages on 5.2 - does that hold f= or > 5.2 packages on 5.3 or 5.1 ? you'd then end up with a package tree of > say FreeBSD5 with only minor version specific releases. No, they're tied to the release. Often most packages will work, but not all, and not always. The point of keeping package sets for the releases are because they've undergone QA during the release, and users know they'll always work. Note that the release trees are static, so they're a once-only download. > >If at all possible, yes. Mirrors are most useful when they're > >complete mirrors. >=20 > nod, i'm just balancing that against updating (relatively) large data > sets that may not get used that much and/or it takes a while to update. >=20 > in particular as the number of architectures grow then mirroring every > -current package tree could result in quite a large update to all > mirrors without a corresponding benefit - say 6 archs by 3G each is > 18G/week in updates. In theory, you can always prioritise your updates so that e.g. i386 is always synced when it changes, but ia64 is not synced more than once a month. I don't know how easy this would be to do automatically on the mirror end, or if more infrastructure support would be needed, but that's out of my area. Kris --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBm92XWry0BWjoQKURAjWoAKChcKNkJGiatuS7zYONaYLb+XBWogCeMaJX NmuLqEIm3uBiIzsp3ZVYT0c= =Py93 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 23:22:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCA516A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:22:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.194.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F302443D5F for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:22:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B17445128A; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:25:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:25:20 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Omer Faruk Sen Message-ID: <20041117232520.GB80979@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200411171010.iAHAAfLa054210@lurza.secnetix.de> <20041117215616.53663.qmail@istanbul.enderunix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041117215616.53663.qmail@istanbul.enderunix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: jason andrade cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:22:08 -0000 --dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 11:56:16PM +0200, Omer Faruk Sen wrote: > It can be really very nice if we had a chance to download 2 dvd images=20 > (maybe not on ftp mirros but from bittorrent or sth else) so we can have= =20 > all the packages required. Currently I think this is possible just for i3= 86=20 > arch. But creating such 2 dvd images creates a problem. Which package wi= ll=20 > go to which DVD image? But I remember that there was a work done for=20 > FreeBSD 4.4 release. On 4.4 as you remember we could able to download 4= =20 > FreeBSD CDs with all packages in it.=20 ^^^ =20 It's been many years since all the packages could fit on the 4-disc set. > istanbul:/ftp/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386$ du -s -h packages-5.3-release/ > 14G packages-5.3-release/=20 >=20 >=20 > 14G requires more that 2 DVDs. But there are lots of language spesific=20 > packages whch can be removed right?=20 Yeah, but that's more work. Kris --dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBm93fWry0BWjoQKURAvC+AJ91mcRfNCGnojvDLIEDvg4nTUQVLgCgksBD Mfot/f+ZUpVaLQg4U6kmVmQ= =WPLq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 17 23:31:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AE316A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:31:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52ACF43D45 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:31:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: from luna (luna [202.83.72.190]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EED5040E; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:31:40 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:31:40 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20041117232407.GA80979@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: References: <20041117232407.GA80979@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:31:42 -0000 On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: > No, they're tied to the release. Often most packages will work, but > not all, and not always. The point of keeping package sets for the > releases are because they've undergone QA during the release, and > users know they'll always work. Note that the release trees are > static, so they're a once-only download. yes, and that's a good current goal. i just wanted to raise the idea on whether this continues into the future (e.g FreeBSD6). > > In theory, you can always prioritise your updates so that e.g. i386 is > always synced when it changes, but ia64 is not synced more than once a > month. I don't know how easy this would be to do automatically on the > mirror end, or if more infrastructure support would be needed, but > that's out of my area. ideally this is achieved by not rebuilding some of the architectures at the same rate and then it's automatic, you don't update and i won't have to fetch :-) yes, this is a good idea and something that i imagine a number of us have been doing informally - i will work to try to codify this into the mirror documentation so people know. i suspect i386 weekly and everything else monthly would work. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 18 00:53:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D6416A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:53:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.194.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F3C43D5A for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:53:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EFEB35128A; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:56:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:56:22 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20041118005622.GA95141@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20041117160330.GA71815@xor.obsecurity.org> <20041117232407.GA80979@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: freebsd 5.3-release and some observations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:53:10 -0000 --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 09:31:40AM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > >No, they're tied to the release. Often most packages will work, but > >not all, and not always. The point of keeping package sets for the > >releases are because they've undergone QA during the release, and > >users know they'll always work. Note that the release trees are > >static, so they're a once-only download. >=20 > yes, and that's a good current goal. i just wanted to raise the idea > on whether this continues into the future (e.g FreeBSD6).=20 > > > >In theory, you can always prioritise your updates so that e.g. i386 is > >always synced when it changes, but ia64 is not synced more than once a > >month. I don't know how easy this would be to do automatically on the > >mirror end, or if more infrastructure support would be needed, but > >that's out of my area. >=20 > ideally this is achieved by not rebuilding some of the architectures at > the same rate and then it's automatic, you don't update and i won't have > to fetch :-) >=20 > yes, this is a good idea and something that i imagine a number of us > have been doing informally - i will work to try to codify this into > the mirror documentation so people know. i suspect i386 weekly and > everything else monthly would work. That would impose policy upon the mirror operators who may want to sync immediately (because bandwidth is not a concern for them), and upon the users, since they may want to have access to new packages more than once a month (in particular, amd64 is rapidly gaining in ascendance, and sparc64 is also fairly popular). If you want to have a less frequent update policy, you can just choose one locally to suit your limitations and users can use a different mirror if they want something better (e.g. the main ftp site). Kris --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBm/M2Wry0BWjoQKURAgaIAJ9AUhj3++EaXd5Opt+4W+nxhrJXdQCgy2XV Uq+CbH/WhtVeXpQPr/+MXWs= =VI9l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7--