From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 01:28:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2C916A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.9.190.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFB143D46 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:28:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from lists by complx.LF.net with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AkgYv-00060m-Na for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:28:13 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:28:13 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040125092813.GE987@complx.LF.net> References: <4012E087.4080504@mr0vka.eu.org> <4012E2F2.2000108@keystreams.com> <20040124215019.GD987@complx.LF.net> <40132999.3020906@keystreams.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40132999.3020906@keystreams.com> Subject: Re: BGP4 using FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pi@LF.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:28:15 -0000 Hi! > >Disks were never the relevant topic. Basically, those systems > >just worked. Yes, they need a little hand-holding, but not because > >of the disks. > Well that may be, but why risk having a hard drive go out? Flash memory > most definatley outlasts traditional hard drives. See the discussioon nanog about this, a few days ago. http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/ The problem with flash is that has its part of wear and tear as well. It's not easy to do a real read-only setup. If you don't, some part of the flash do will wear out. Flash mem do has a finite number of possible writes. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 16 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 01:39:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532D416A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from a.mx.7f000001.org (kyblik.pieskovisko.sk [213.215.72.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8916243D41 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:39:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frankie@kyblik.pieskovisko.sk) Received: (qmail 44879 invoked by uid 19508); 25 Jan 2004 09:39:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:39:11 +0100 From: "Michal F. Hanula" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040125093911.GG55321@kyblik.pieskovisko.sk> References: <4012E087.4080504@mr0vka.eu.org> <4012E2F2.2000108@keystreams.com> <20040124215019.GD987@complx.LF.net> <40132999.3020906@keystreams.com> <20040125092813.GE987@complx.LF.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6axCafNXXMM8qu6Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040125092813.GE987@complx.LF.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i Subject: Re: BGP4 using FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:39:15 -0000 --6axCafNXXMM8qu6Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 10:28:13AM +0100, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > The problem with flash is that has its part of wear and tear as well. > It's not easy to do a real read-only setup. If you don't, some > part of the flash do will wear out. Flash mem do has a finite number > of possible writes. You can use a memory disk --- with PicoBSD, 16MB of flash and 64MB of RAM is enough for a basic router (Of course you need more RAM for BGP). The flash can stand several mounts/writes a week for years. m&f --=20 What do you care what other people think? --6axCafNXXMM8qu6Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAE46/4PY2BaN84VwRAitPAJ9wIv9XueXmaX4Z5PfWa6ukptHf+wCfSShP pdDOjFHLevf/GRbAF4V1aSo= =6nAI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6axCafNXXMM8qu6Q-- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 02:10:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E0016A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from transport.cksoft.de (transport.cksoft.de [62.111.66.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85A643D31 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from transport.cksoft.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by transport.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1341FFC27; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:10:09 +0100 (CET) Received: by transport.cksoft.de (Postfix, from userid 66) id 597B41FFC24; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:10:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.int.zabbadoz.net (Postfix, from userid 1060) id 5553B155AB; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.int.zabbadoz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B7E15384; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:06:31 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" X-X-Sender: bz@e0-0.zab2.int.zabbadoz.net To: pi@LF.net In-Reply-To: <20040125092813.GE987@complx.LF.net> Message-ID: References: <4012E087.4080504@mr0vka.eu.org> <4012E2F2.2000108@keystreams.com> <20040124215019.GD987@complx.LF.net> <40132999.3020906@keystreams.com> <20040125092813.GE987@complx.LF.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS cksoft-s20020300-20031204bz on transport.cksoft.de cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BGP4 using FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:10:13 -0000 On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Kurt Jaeger wrote: Hi, > > >Disks were never the relevant topic. Basically, those systems > > >just worked. Yes, they need a little hand-holding, but not because > > >of the disks. > > > Well that may be, but why risk having a hard drive go out? Flash memory > > most definatley outlasts traditional hard drives. > > See the discussioon nanog about this, a few days ago. > > http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/ > > The problem with flash is that has its part of wear and tear as well. > It's not easy to do a real read-only setup. If you don't, some > part of the flash do will wear out. Flash mem do has a finite number > of possible writes. while this is true loading an md_image from a flash disk is quite easy these days with FreeBSD as is booting such from tftp. Then your at about the same problematic cisco p.ex. has writing config back to nvram or flash. But how often would you do this on a cisco and how many writes can you do on a flash card these days ? additionaly you can always save the config to a remote system via tftp/ftp/scp/sftp/cvs/ and if you want you can also fetch them at boot time again (not the thing one really wants but similar to some boot tftp modulo boot loader and kernel loading; unsure what linuxbios et. al. could help here). logging that needs to be saved should go to a remote system anyway. If you want local accounting (p.ex. with a hacked up tcpdump ;-) you may want to have a hd for saving the dumps (perhaps hot swap supported so they can be changed on failure with less/no downtime of your peerings) or have an extra 512MB RAM for this with the possibility of losing some accounting on reboot (which should not happen too often for a router). Just to note there is also a bgpd.pl (BGP daemon implemented in perl) at http://sourceforge.net/projects/bgpd I once had a quick look at it after its initial announcement some (2-3) years agao. Current state is unknown. Never used it. -- Greetings Bjoern A. Zeeb bzeeb at Zabbadoz dot NeT 56 69 73 69 74 http://www.zabbadoz.net/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 15:15:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830F516A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.akwireless.net (webmail.akwireless.net [192.189.218.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C89D43D2F for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dee@akwireless.net) Received: (qmail 11425 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Jan 2004 23:15:22 -0000 Received: from dee@akwireless.net by webmail by uid 1006 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.65. Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.024597 secs); 25 Jan 2004 23:15:22 -0000 X-Scanner-AKW-Mail-From: dee@akwireless.net via webmail X-Scanner-AKW: 1.20 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.024597 secs) Received: from unknown (HELO papa.wdm-lan) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 23:15:22 -0000 From: "W.D.McKinney" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1075073079.2352.121.camel@papa.wdm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Rubber Turnip www.usr-local-bin.org Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:24:39 -0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FBSD 5.1 install problem on a DL380 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:15:25 -0000 I am trying to get 5.x to install on a used Compaq DL380. 4.9 works OK, but we'd like to be using 5.1. It locks up with the install CD of 5.1 when it hits the video card. boot info (under 4.9) is: Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Wed Jan 21 23:37:09 AKST 2004 deem@burger.wdm-lan:/usr/src/sys/compile/BURGER-KERNEL Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Intel Pentium III (863.94-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x683 Stepping = 3 Features=0x383fbff real memory = 536854528 (524272K bytes) avail memory = 518209536 (506064K bytes) Changing APIC ID for IO APIC #0 from 0 to 8 on chip Programming 35 pins in IOAPIC #0 IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 8, version: 0x00220011, at 0xfec00000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc040c000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard IOAPIC #0 intpin 19 -> irq 2 IOAPIC #0 intpin 17 -> irq 5 pci0: on pcib0 ida0: port 0x2000-0x20ff mem 0xc5000000-0xc5ffffff,0xc6000000-0xc6ffffff irq 2 at device 1.0 on pci0 ida0: drives=1 firm_rev=1.42 idad0: on ida0 idad0: 17343MB (35520480 sectors), blocksize=512 fxp0: port 0x2400-0x243f mem 0xc4e00000-0xc4efffff,0xc4fff000-0xc4ffffff irq 5 at device 2.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:50:8b:dc:cb:91 inphy0: on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto pci0: at 3.0 pci0: (vendor=0x0e11, dev=0xa0f0) at 4.0 isab0: at device 15.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x2c00-0x2c0f at device 15.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pcib3: on motherboard pci3: on pcib3 eisa0: on motherboard mainboard0: on eisa0 slot 0 orm0: