From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 28 01:30:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488AD16A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 01:30:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoster904.com (19.137.211.66.inaddr.g4.Net [66.211.137.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C8AE43D39 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 01:30:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tie@ankh.morp.org) Received: (qmail 22710 invoked by uid 2007); 28 Mar 2004 09:30:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20040328093053.29618.qmail@hoster904.com> From: "tie" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:30:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail 2.3 X-Originating-IP: 213.145.98.13 X-Originating-Email: tie@morp.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: starthir@hotmail.com Subject: Re:5.2 on a toshiba A10-s169 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: tie List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:30:42 -0000 I have the absolutely same problem here with my Toshiba Satellite A10-131. It just hangs during boot. I have tried booting FreeBSD 5.2 with/without ACPI. Haven't tried booting FreeBSD 4 but I suppose that is not the point. Any suggestions anybody? From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 28 07:48:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1463016A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pd5mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75AA43D2D for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:48:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamesearl@shaw.ca) Received: from pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.23])2003))freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 08:47:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HVA00EXWMK4A530@pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 08:48:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from shaw.ca (h24-64-142-120.lb.shawcable.net [24.64.142.120]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HVA00G16MJOE8@l-daemon> for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 08:47:49 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 08:47:37 -0700 From: James Earl In-reply-to: <20040328093053.29618.qmail@hoster904.com> To: tie Message-id: <4066F399.1020206@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040317 References: <20040328093053.29618.qmail@hoster904.com> cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.2 on a toshiba A10-s169 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:48:56 -0000 tie wrote: > I have the absolutely same problem here with my Toshiba Satellite A10-131. > > It just hangs during boot. I have tried booting FreeBSD 5.2 with/without ACPI. Haven't tried booting FreeBSD 4 but I suppose that is not the point. Any suggestions anybody? Have you tried: hw.pci.enable_io_modes="0" From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 28 12:37:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EABB16A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from soapbox.yandex.ru (soapbox.yandex.ru [213.180.200.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FAE43D2D for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:37:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cprog@yandex.ru) Received: from YAMAIL (soapbox.yandex.ru) by mail.yandex.ru id ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 00:37:30 +0400 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 00:37:30 +0400 (MSD) From: "Dixx" Sender: cprog@yandex.ru Message-Id: <4067378A.00001E.21601@soapbox.yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] Errors-To: cprog@yandex.ru To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-source-ip: 212.46.245.186 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_IYZA3KXYA1UMYJ0CCJD0" Subject: Some questions about 5.2.1-RELEASE-p3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: cprog@yandex.ru List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:37:48 -0000 --------------Boundary-00=_IYZA3KXYA1UMYJ0CCJD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good time of the day! I have FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p3 installed on Compaq Armada E500 laptop. Because of some problems on this system, i so have some questions about this. First, i've got a kernel panic when i hear music using mp3blaster: > kernel trap 19 with interrupts disabled > > Fatal trap 19: non-maskable interrupt trap while in kernel mode > instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc08251bc > stack pointer = 0x10:0xc8f32c50 > frame pointer = 0x10:0xc8f32c58 > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > processor eflags = IOPL = 0 > current process = 11 (idle) > trap number = 19 > panic: non-maskable interrupt trap Second, when i tried to compile kernel with more optimization than default (-O changed to -O3 in COPTFLAGS variable of /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk) i've got error during compile: > % make clean depend all > > ..... > > cc -c -O3 -pipe -mcpu=pentiumpro -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstri > ct-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fform > at-extensions -std=c99 -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../../.. -I../../../contrib/dev/acp > ica -I../../../contrib/ipfilter -I../../../contrib/dev/ath -I../../../contrib/de > v/ath/freebsd -I../../../contrib/ngatm -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-comm > on -finline-limit=15000 -fno-strict-aliasing -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferre > d-stack-boundary=2 -ffreestanding -Werror ../../../kern/vfs_cluster.c > ../../../kern/vfs_cluster.c:580: warning: inlining failed in call to `cluster_wb > uild_wb' > ../../../kern/vfs_cluster.c:660: warning: called from here > ../../../kern/vfs_cluster.c:580: warning: inlining failed in call to `cluster_wb > uild_wb' > ../../../kern/vfs_cluster.c:684: warning: called from here > ../../../kern/vfs_cluster.c:580: warning: inlining failed in call to `cluster_wb > uild_wb' > ../../../kern/vfs_cluster.c:735: warning: called from here > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/sys/i386/compile/Notebook. Is this normal? With -O2 options compilation of kernel was successfull. And, because this kernel is working on my laptop at moment, may be kernel panic i've got is result of setting -O2 option? Third, during boot i have next error messages from ACPI (see attachments for dmesg): > ACPI-1287: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.C005.C00B] (Node 0xc13 > ACPI-1287: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.C005.C00F] (Node 0xc13 > ACPI-1287: *** Error: Method execution failed [\\_SB_.C005._CRS] (Node 0xc13 > ACPI-0226: *** Error: Return object type is incorrect [\\_SB_.C005._CRS] (No > can't fetch resources for \\_SB_.C005 - AE_TYPE Dmesg, kernel and loader configuration files of my laptop you can see in attachments to this letter. If you needs any additional information, i can give it. P.S. Sorry, if my english is very bad. 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hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F0116A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 14:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from buh.cameradicommercio.ro (buh.cameradicommercio.ro [81.196.25.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1201143D41 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 14:37:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [192.168.0.10]) by buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FC76302; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:36:31 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (localhost.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D44E239; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:40:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 19179-06; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:40:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with SMTP id 19B8B1DB; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:40:12 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:40:11 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: cprog@yandex.ru Message-Id: <20040329014011.6b812c4b@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <4067378A.00001E.21601@soapbox.yandex.ru> References: <4067378A.00001E.21601@soapbox.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some questions about 5.2.1-RELEASE-p3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:37:19 -0000 On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 00:37:30 +0400 (MSD) "Dixx" wrote: > Good time of the day! > > I have FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p3 installed on Compaq Armada E500 laptop. Because > of some problems on this system, i so have some questions about this. [..] > Second, when i tried to compile kernel with more optimization than default > (-O changed to -O3 in COPTFLAGS variable of /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk) > i've got error during compile: [..] > Is this normal? With -O2 options compilation of kernel was successfull. > And, because this kernel is working on my laptop at moment, may be kernel > panic i've got is result of setting -O2 option? AFAIK compiling with -O2 hasn't been declared "safe" yet, even on current. So it is not on safe on -p3 either. Not to speak about -O3 or above. > Third, during boot i have next error messages from ACPI (see attachments for > dmesg): For ACPI problems, following the procedure described at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/acpi-debug.html is the fastest way to go. Even if someone on this list will help you, providing those info to the acpi team would help them. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 06:43:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11F116A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.newlines.ru (mail.newlines.ru [195.54.211.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4F643D1D for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:43:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Received: from mail.newlines.ru (root@localhost) by mail.newlines.ru (8.12.10/8.12.9) with SMTP id i2TEhDnP074829 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:43:28 GMT (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Received: from nikiforov.ru (clusterfw.beelinegprs.ru [217.118.66.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.newlines.ru (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2TEgKWv073776 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:43:00 GMT (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Message-ID: <406835B5.2020301@nikiforov.ru> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:41:57 +0400 From: Anton Nikiforov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040307 X-Accept-Language: ru-ru, ru, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060301040707080002060707" Subject: AP Scanning X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: anton@nikiforov.ru List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:43:46 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060301040707080002060707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, thanks to those of you who helped me to start using my WiFi adapter, but now i have a question about using it :) I mean it works just fine with Intel's APs and im planning to try to test it with D-Link APs. My question is: I'm traveling between a few locations with differn APs configuration and differen options to access internet (dhcp, proxys etc). In addition some offices have no WiFi APs installed, so i use ethernet cable or ppp over GPRS connection there. And i wold like my noteook to swith profiles automaticaly (i want to test radio environment in case no ethernet cable is attached and i know how to do it). And if no ethernet nor radio available - it should connect over ppp (if usb cable is attached). I understand that there is a simple way to test the radio invironment by setting up ssid and other parameters and check if the interface become assotiated, but i do not like this idea. Maybe there is something that i coud use as a key to start interfase in one of the predefined configurations (like before setting a ssid to read AP's serial or whatever unique location ID)? Maybe even scan an air for APs that i do not know? :) And additional questions - is how to change Mozilla/gaim configuration "on the fly" to correspnd to each location. (but this question is not FreeBSD related, so it could be considered as OFFTOPIC, but maye someone solved already this problem?) Does someone solved this? 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Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:02:30 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:02:30 +0200 From: Tobias Roth To: Anton Nikiforov Message-ID: <20040329150230.GA20492@speedy.unibe.ch> Mail-Followup-To: Anton Nikiforov , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <406835B5.2020301@nikiforov.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <406835B5.2020301@nikiforov.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-message-flag: Warning! Using Outlook is insecure and promotes virus distribution. Please use a different email client. X-Virus-checked: by University of Berne cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AP Scanning X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:02:37 -0000 On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 06:41:57PM +0400, Anton Nikiforov wrote: > I'm traveling between a few locations with differn APs configuration and > differen options to access internet (dhcp, proxys etc). > In addition some offices have no WiFi APs installed, so i use ethernet > cable or ppp over GPRS connection there. > And i wold like my noteook to swith profiles automaticaly (i want to > test radio environment in case no ethernet cable is attached and i know > how to do it). And if no ethernet nor radio available - it should > connect over ppp (if usb cable is attached). http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2003-November/002284.html i didn't consider ppp when i made this, maybe i will some day. but as you want to use ppp as a 'last resort', this will definitely work without problems with my patch. > I understand that there is a simple way to test the radio invironment by > setting up ssid and other parameters and check if the interface become > assotiated, but i do not like this idea. > Maybe there is something that i coud use as a key to start interfase in > one of the predefined configurations (like before setting a ssid to read > AP's serial or whatever unique location ID)? Maybe even scan an air for > APs that i do not know? :) you can use the MAC address for that if hat is what you meant. not really secure, but it might do. > And additional questions - is how to change Mozilla/gaim configuration > "on the fly" to correspnd to each location. (but this question is not > FreeBSD related, so it could be considered as OFFTOPIC, but maye someone > solved already this problem?) you can do this very easily with my patch plus a small shell script. basically, everything that is not configured from within /etc needs to be configured through a custom shell script. you can have mine, but it is not very sophisticated. cheers, t. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 07:03:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B95C16A4EF for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20CC43D2F for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:03:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i2TF39E8035920; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:03:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <40683AA3.1070205@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:02:59 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040304) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anton@nikiforov.ru References: <406835B5.2020301@nikiforov.ru> In-Reply-To: <406835B5.2020301@nikiforov.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AP Scanning X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:03:10 -0000 Anton Nikiforov wrote: > Dear All, > thanks to those of you who helped me to start using my WiFi adapter, > but now i have a question about using it :) > I mean it works just fine with Intel's APs and im planning to try to > test it with D-Link APs. > My question is: > I'm traveling between a few locations with differn APs configuration > and differen options to access internet (dhcp, proxys etc). > In addition some offices have no WiFi APs installed, so i use ethernet > cable or ppp over GPRS connection there. > And i wold like my noteook to swith profiles automaticaly (i want to > test radio environment in case no ethernet cable is attached and i > know how to do it). And if no ethernet nor radio available - it should > connect over ppp (if usb cable is attached). > I understand that there is a simple way to test the radio invironment > by setting up ssid and other parameters and check if the interface > become assotiated, but i do not like this idea. > Maybe there is something that i coud use as a key to start interfase > in one of the predefined configurations (like before setting a ssid to > read AP's serial or whatever unique location ID)? Maybe even scan an > air for APs that i do not know? :) > And additional questions - is how to change Mozilla/gaim configuration > "on the fly" to correspnd to each location. (but this question is not > FreeBSD related, so it could be considered as OFFTOPIC, but maye > someone solved already this problem?) > Does someone solved this? Or even know where to read about? I'm not sure what you mean about gaim/mozilla configuration changing, but on the AP scanning, here's a few options: On -current, I can bring up my wireless interface, and run: wiconfig ath0 -L and it will list access points with ssids near me. Also, on -current, you can now use kismet to scan for AP's, etc. It's a great tool. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 09:48:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0669316A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:48:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from serv01.divms.uiowa.edu (serv01.divms.uiowa.edu [128.255.44.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8091E43D2D for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:48:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu) Received: from cs.uiowa.edu ([128.255.33.169]) by serv01.divms.uiowa.edu with id i2THmAgB000568 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:48:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:48:07 -0500 From: Jason Dusek Organization: University of Iowa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040323 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mobile@BSD" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 Subject: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:48:12 -0000 Hi All, I am in the market for a new laptop and I would like to know which laptop is the best for running FreeBSD and which one has the easiest setup. Any suggestions? -- ~*\\~*~\\*~Cheers ~*~\\~*~\\~*~Jason From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 09:54:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1FE16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.comita.spb.ru (mail.comita.spb.ru [213.182.169.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF3243D45 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:54:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from postfix@sendmail.ru) Received: by mail.comita.spb.ru (Postfix, from userid 1116) id DC7B01A839; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:54:04 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost (ppp-dialup-2.atcom.spb.ru [213.182.168.2]) by mail.comita.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DD61A413; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:53:50 +0400 (MSD) X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 4.31a, engine: 4.31b, virus records: 47965, updated: 29.03.2004] Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:51:40 +0400 From: Toxa Organization: toxahost X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <43528078.20040329215140@sendmail.ru> To: Tobias Roth In-Reply-To: <20040329150230.GA20492@speedy.unibe.ch> References: <406835B5.2020301@nikiforov.ru> <20040329150230.GA20492@speedy.unibe.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=6.21e-07, version=0.17.2 cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: AP Scanning X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Toxa List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:54:07 -0000 Hello Tobias, Monday, March 29, 2004, 7:02:30 PM, you wrote: TR> you can do this very easily with my patch plus a small shell script. TR> basically, everything that is not configured from within /etc needs to TR> be configured through a custom shell script. you can have mine, but it is TR> not very sophisticated. would you mind to drop a link to your patch? :-) -- Best regards, Toxa mailto:postfix@sendmail.ru From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 12:21:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DDF16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sizone.org (mortar.sizone.org [65.126.154.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52D643D31 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:21:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by sizone.org (Postfix, from userid 66) id 67473308B0; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 41CA61D2664; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:21:02 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16488.34093.635277.738097@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:21:01 -0500 To: "Pratik Mehta" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 14) "Reasonable Discussion" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Touchpad not working X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:21:04 -0000 >>>>> "Pratik" == Pratik Mehta writes: Pratik> Hi, Well, here is the thing, i did do that, /dev/psm0, but Pratik> then in /dev there is nothing like psm0. Am i thinking Pratik> wrong??? I can trying disabling moused and then change the Pratik> XF86Config to /dev/psm0 Fixing your ACPI DSDT will make your mouse work. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 13:03:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382F216A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.comita.spb.ru (mail.comita.spb.ru [213.182.169.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B434F43D41 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:03:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from postfix@sendmail.ru) Received: by mail.comita.spb.ru (Postfix, from userid 1116) id 803831A883; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:03:33 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost (ppp-dialup-5.atcom.spb.ru [213.182.168.5]) by mail.comita.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75551A870 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:03:31 +0400 (MSD) X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 4.31a, engine: 4.31b, virus records: 47965, updated: 29.03.2004] Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:01:45 +0400 From: Toxa Organization: toxahost X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <761151245.20040330010145@sendmail.ru> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.00e+00, version=0.17.2 Subject: does freebsd has something like acpid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Toxa List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:03:37 -0000 Hello Maybe my question is quite stupid but I still can't work it out. You know, in linux we have acpid daemon and a couple of scripts in /etc/acpid. So, when any acpi state changes (due to closing laptop lid, for example), acpid detects it via proc interface and executes appropriate script (turning off the lid, for example). But as far as I know freebsd has no any userland acpi daemon, so I can't imagine how, for example, ajust lid brightness according to plugging/unplugging AC cable, etc. So wouls you mind to point how to handle acpi changes in freebsd? -- Best regards, Toxa mailto:postfix@sendmail.ru From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 16:38:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA91616A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64C043D31 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@tomcat.kitchenlab.org) Received: from tomcat.kitchenlab.org (adsl-64-142-31-107.sonic.net [64.142.31.107]) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2U0cYoq026970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:38:34 -0800 Received: from tomcat.kitchenlab.org (localhost.kitchenlab.org [127.0.0.1]) i2U0cYv4032081; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@tomcat.kitchenlab.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by tomcat.kitchenlab.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i2U0cXRF032080; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:38:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:38:33 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20040330003833.GA32071@tomcat.kitchenlab.org> References: <20040323155348.N8543@xeon.unixathome.org> <20040323212158.GA790@empiric.dek.spc.org> <20040323162559.J8543@xeon.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040323162559.J8543@xeon.unixathome.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86 4.3.0 hangs at shutdown on Thinkpad T20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:38:35 -0000 --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline If memory serves me right, Dan Langille wrote: > # do not power up again when turned off > hw.acpi.disable_on_poweroff=0 Thanks for that tip! This had been bothering me for awhile (ThinkPad T21). Bruce. --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAaMGI2MoxcVugUsMRAtX/AJ9iKPs50raAk9ebtRIt60my1pYsfgCg0CPY B57uagUGhZ4N+eZdigS4jlI= =LtGy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 18:49:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC1E16A4CE; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F229E43D46; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:49:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2624D4031; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:49:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: "Bruce A. Mah" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:49:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <406899EF.8180.77BD1D12@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20040330003833.GA32071@tomcat.kitchenlab.org> References: <20040323162559.J8543@xeon.unixathome.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86 4.3.0 hangs at shutdown on Thinkpad T20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 02:49:39 -0000 On 29 Mar 2004 at 16:38, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Dan Langille wrote: > > > # do not power up again when turned off > > hw.acpi.disable_on_poweroff=0 > > Thanks for that tip! This had been bothering me for awhile (ThinkPad > T21). I credit Bruce Simpson for telling me. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 20:34:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6313B16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from salvador.pacific.net.sg (salvador.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FA6643D31 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:34:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 29615 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 04:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell2.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.192) by salvador with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 04:34:38 -0000 Received: from pacific.net.sg ([210.24.202.50]) by maxwell2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20040330043438.WCOV1277.maxwell2.pacific.net.sg@pacific.net.sg>; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:34:38 +0800 Message-ID: <4068F730.3020400@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:27:28 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> In-Reply-To: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "Mobile@BSD" Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:34:41 -0000 Hi, Jason Dusek wrote: > Hi All, > > I am in the market for a new laptop and I would like to know which > laptop is the best for running FreeBSD and which one has the easiest > setup. Any suggestions? > You will not get the real best laptop if you ask like this. Be prepared for some kind of compromise. I have an Fujitsu P2120. FreeBSD 5.2 works but has problems with the power settings. With other words, NT has a longer operating time than FreeBSD on it. All other features of the machines did not make any problems. Erich From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 21:17:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1162616A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DABFD43D1D for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:17:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 92098 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 05:17:06 -0000 Received: from localhost.hyperreal.org (HELO dsl027-182-008.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 05:17:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 70369 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Mar 2004 05:17:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 05:17:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:17:01 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <4068F730.3020400@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: <20040329211056.E68476@fez.hyperreal.org> References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <4068F730.3020400@pacific.net.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N cc: "Mobile@BSD" Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:17:03 -0000 I've got this too, under 5-CURRENT, but I can't get atapicam to work; if I compile it in the kernel then it won't boot if the CD-RW is attached. Without it in the kernel, I can't burn CDs (unless there's some tool that supports IDE CD burning?). Any idea? They've gotten suspend/resume working under Linux: check out http://mrohne.home.cern.ch/mrohne/P2120/P2120_Linux_S3.html but it sounds like a Mighty Hack. Brian On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Erich Dollansky wrote: > I have an Fujitsu P2120. FreeBSD 5.2 works but has problems with the > power settings. With other words, NT has a longer operating time than > FreeBSD on it. > > All other features of the machines did not make any problems. > > Erich > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 21:20:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39A716A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3005F43D46 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 92604 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 05:20:41 -0000 Received: from localhost.hyperreal.org (HELO dsl027-182-008.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 05:20:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 70434 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Mar 2004 05:20:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 05:20:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:20:36 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <4068F730.3020400@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: <20040329212009.C70432@fez.hyperreal.org> References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <4068F730.3020400@pacific.net.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N cc: "Mobile@BSD" Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:20:39 -0000 I've got this too, under 5-CURRENT, but I can't get atapicam to work; if I compile it in the kernel then it won't boot if the CD-RW is attached. Without it in the kernel, I can't burn CDs (unless there's some tool that supports IDE CD burning?). Any idea? They've gotten suspend/resume working under Linux: check out http://mrohne.home.cern.ch/mrohne/P2120/P2120_Linux_S3.html but it sounds like a Mighty Hack. Brian On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Erich Dollansky wrote: > I have an Fujitsu P2120. FreeBSD 5.2 works but has problems with the > power settings. With other words, NT has a longer operating time than > FreeBSD on it. > > All other features of the machines did not make any problems. > > Erich > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 21:53:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF4516A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:53:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub01.unibe.ch (mailhub01-skge0.unibe.ch [130.92.9.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C742C43D46 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:53:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roth@speedy.unibe.ch) Received: from localhost (scanhub02-eth0.unibe.ch [130.92.254.66]) by mailhub01.unibe.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAA725BA66; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:53:26 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mailhub01.unibe.ch ([130.92.9.52]) by localhost (scanhub02 [130.92.254.66]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 30440-06-29; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:53:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from asterix.unibe.ch (asterix.unibe.ch [130.92.64.4]) by mailhub01.unibe.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7820F25BAC9; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:53:24 +0200 (MEST) Received: from speedy.unibe.ch (speedy [130.92.64.35]) by asterix.unibe.ch (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2U5rOb07830; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:53:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from roth@localhost) by speedy.unibe.ch (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.9/Submit) id i2U5rNjh024462; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:53:23 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:53:23 +0200 From: Tobias Roth To: Toxa Message-ID: <20040330055323.GA24456@speedy.unibe.ch> Mail-Followup-To: Toxa , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <406835B5.2020301@nikiforov.ru> <20040329150230.GA20492@speedy.unibe.ch> <43528078.20040329215140@sendmail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43528078.20040329215140@sendmail.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-message-flag: Warning! Using Outlook is insecure and promotes virus distribution. Please use a different email client. X-Virus-checked: by University of Berne cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AP Scanning X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:53:28 -0000 On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 09:51:40PM +0400, Toxa wrote: > > TR> you can do this very easily with my patch plus a small shell script. > TR> basically, everything that is not configured from within /etc needs to > TR> be configured through a custom shell script. you can have mine, but it is > TR> not very sophisticated. > > would you mind to drop a link to your patch? :-) http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2003-November/002284.html cheers! From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 23:06:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B131D16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from salvador.pacific.net.sg (salvador.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 740A643D53 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:06:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 3236 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 07:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell2.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.192) by salvador with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 07:06:05 -0000 Received: from pacific.net.sg ([210.24.202.50]) by maxwell2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20040330070605.WZHC1277.maxwell2.pacific.net.sg@pacific.net.sg>; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:06:05 +0800 Message-ID: <40691AAE.8030803@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:58:54 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Behlendorf References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <4068F730.3020400@pacific.net.sg> <20040329211056.E68476@fez.hyperreal.org> In-Reply-To: <20040329211056.E68476@fez.hyperreal.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "Mobile@BSD" Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:06:08 -0000 Hi, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > They've gotten suspend/resume working under Linux: check out > > http://mrohne.home.cern.ch/mrohne/P2120/P2120_Linux_S3.html > > but it sounds like a Mighty Hack. Thanks for this link. I will have to check this out later. I have had to go back to XP on it. We need at least one NT machine. So, we took the one which has at least one advantage if it runs with it. Erich From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 01:14:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E64D16A4D1 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay14-f48.bay14.hotmail.com [64.4.49.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5676943D53 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:14:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from starthir@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:38:27 -0800 Received: from 200.138.248.145 by by14fd.bay14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:06:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.138.248.145] X-Originating-Email: [starthir@hotmail.com] X-Sender: starthir@hotmail.com From: "Alvaro Pereira" To: tie@ankh.morp.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:06:57 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2004 08:38:27.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F4A7EB0:01C41632] Subject: Re:5.2 on a toshiba A10-s169 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:14:05 -0000 Hi, you have to set hw.pci.enable_io_modes to 0 (zero) in order to install/boot, as seen here: http://gerda.univie.ac.at/freebsd-laptops/index.pl?action=show_laptop_detail&laptop=152 Alvaro >From: "tie" >Reply-To: "tie" >To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org >CC: starthir@hotmail.com >Subject: Re:5.2 on a toshiba A10-s169 >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:30:53 +0000 > >I have the absolutely same problem here with my Toshiba Satellite A10-131. > >It just hangs during boot. I have tried booting FreeBSD 5.2 with/without >ACPI. Haven't tried booting FreeBSD 4 but I suppose that is not the point. >Any suggestions anybody? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail, o maior webmail do Brasil. http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 04:23:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C25E16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from prg.traveller.cz (prg.traveller.cz [193.85.2.77]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D11543D41 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:23:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mime@traveller.cz) Received: from prg.traveller.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i2UCNcKh099694; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:23:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (mime@localhost)i2UCNcMd099691; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:23:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:23:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Michal Mertl To: Toxa In-Reply-To: <761151245.20040330010145@sendmail.ru> Message-ID: <20040330141934.T11208@prg.traveller.cz> References: <761151245.20040330010145@sendmail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: does freebsd has something like acpid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:23:40 -0000 On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Toxa wrote: > Hello > > Maybe my question is quite stupid but I still can't work it out. > You know, in linux we have acpid daemon and a couple of scripts in > /etc/acpid. So, when any acpi state changes (due to closing laptop lid, for > example), acpid detects it via proc interface and executes appropriate > script (turning off the lid, for example). But as far as I know freebsd has > no any userland acpi daemon, so I can't imagine how, for example, > ajust lid brightness according to plugging/unplugging AC cable, etc. > So wouls you mind to point how to handle acpi changes in freebsd? On current, there is /sbin/devd, which can handle acpi state changes. Look at /etc/devd.conf. > -- > Best regards, > Toxa mailto:postfix@sendmail.ru > -- Michal Mertl From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 06:26:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A19416A4E4 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:26:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.export-japan.com (export-japan.com [211.19.46.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E913E43D39 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:26:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsdmob@t4ac.com) Received: (qmail 1476 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 23:24:46 +0900 Received: from yahoobb219042248065.bbtec.net (HELO akatombo.com) (219.42.248.65) by export-japan.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 23:24:46 +0900 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost.my.domain) by akatombo.com with esmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1B8K41-000FRj-Ls for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:18:01 +0900 Received: (from www@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i2UEI171059378 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:18:01 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from freebsdmob@t4ac.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: www set sender to freebsdmob@t4ac.com using -f Received: from 192.168.1.54 ([192.168.1.54]) by t4ac.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:18:01 +0900 Message-ID: <1080656281.406981992c8ab@t4ac.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:18:01 +0900 From: Bob McDonald To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 / FreeBSD-4.9 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.1.54 Subject: Toshiba Satellite Freezing Problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:26:05 -0000 Hello, I'm hoping that someone will be able to help me at least narrow down what the problems I am having on my laptop might be. Ideally someone will say, "Oh I had that, this is what you did wrong dummy," but google hasn't been much help to me so far. The background: Japanese Toshiba Dynabook Satellite 1800 SA10AP/4 - http://dynabook.com/pc/catalog/limited/rps180ap/index_j.htm This has been updated from 128Mb RAM to 384Mb RAM but the problem happened before the upgrade too 4.9-Release - custom kernel with acpi (power management) and pcm0 included XWindow manager - I have tried Gnome and KDE and it has happened on both and on my current one - Ion The Problem: I think there are actually two problems, but both of them involve the machine freezing leaving me unable to do anything. Just to answer a question that I've gotten before I tried ctrl-alt-backspace to no avail. 1) When I play video (both MPlayer and xine) the display will sometimes get a seemingly random bright colored pattern on it and the machine will stop responding. This seems to be more likely to happen as the machine has been used for a longer amount of time, and particularly if a video has been played before. I'm not sure if it is related but with the same things increasing likelihood the player will sometimes put up a bright green screen with letter shadows on it and play only the sound. 2) If I leave the machine on at night it will sometimes freeze up on a screen saver or blank screen, and the machine will not respond. both of these problems require me to switch the power off an on again. Anyone have any ideas? thanks, Bob P.S. I noticed just now that my gkrellm CPU temperature monitor (no idea if it is accurate or not) says that my CPU temperature is at 70c. I have never noticed it being that high before, but that could be the cause. I have thought before that it may be acpi not functioning quite right causing the problem as my battery life went way down when I installed FreeBSD too. If anyone has any ideas about straightening that out it may solve the problem indirectly. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 08:45:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DC416A4D0 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.mail.iol.ie (mail2.mail.iol.ie [193.95.141.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DFE43D39 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:45:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@mcdermottroe.com) Received: from 213-202-137-39.dsl.esat.net ([213.202.137.39] helo=mcdermc.mcdermottroe.com) by mail2.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #9) id 1B8MMd-0006Qu-00; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:45:23 +0100 Received: by mcdermc.mcdermottroe.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5C64920D0; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:45:20 +0100 (IST) From: Conor McDermottroe To: Bob McDonald In-Reply-To: <1080656281.406981992c8ab@t4ac.com> References: <1080656281.406981992c8ab@t4ac.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1080665119.4260.36.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:45:20 +0100 cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Toshiba Satellite Freezing Problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:45:24 -0000 On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 15:18, Bob McDonald wrote: > 1) When I play video (both MPlayer and xine) the display will sometimes get a > seemingly random bright colored pattern on it and the machine will stop > responding. This seems to be more likely to happen as the machine has been > used for a longer amount of time, and particularly if a video has been played > before. I'm not sure if it is related but with the same things increasing > likelihood the player will sometimes put up a bright green screen with letter > shadows on it and play only the sound. > > 2) If I leave the machine on at night it will sometimes freeze up on a screen > saver or blank screen, and the machine will not respond. > > both of these problems require me to switch the power off an on again. > > Anyone have any ideas? On my Fujitsu A1010 (P.O.S. :-/) I had a similar problem to your problem number 2. I found that anything that used significant amounts of RAM would trigger the problem, so I watched top carefully and noticed that it always happened when I ran out of RAM, before FreeBSD swapped anything out. After banging my head on the wall for a while I had an idea that it might be to do with the RAM shared by the video card. I set MAXMEM to 192MB (I have 256MB) and the problem never happened again. If you have the same problem it might also explain problem number 1. Bear in mind that my fix for my problem is based on guesswork. I don't have sufficient knowledge of either the problem or how the OS and video card "share" RAM to accurately solve the problem. But, It Worked For Me[tm]. HTH -Conor From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 09:03:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250DB16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29B243D45 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:03:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2UH3gkj010053; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:03:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20040330.100357.34743551.imp@bsdimp.com> To: jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:03:46 -0000 : I am in the market for a new laptop and I would like to know which : laptop is the best for running FreeBSD and which one has the easiest : setup. Any suggestions? I'm as happy as a pig in mud with the Sony VAIO PCG-Z1WA. However, I have had problems with VAIOs in the past and I've just had it a few weeks, so I don't know its long term reliability. Warner From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 09:03:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FEC16A4CF for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A968943D31 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:03:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2UH3mkj010068; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:03:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:04:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20040330.100404.27798737.imp@bsdimp.com> To: postfix@sendmail.ru From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <761151245.20040330010145@sendmail.ru> References: <761151245.20040330010145@sendmail.ru> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: does freebsd has something like acpid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:03:50 -0000 In message: <761151245.20040330010145@sendmail.ru> Toxa writes: : Maybe my question is quite stupid but I still can't work it out. : You know, in linux we have acpid daemon and a couple of scripts in : /etc/acpid. So, when any acpi state changes (due to closing laptop lid, for : example), acpid detects it via proc interface and executes appropriate : script (turning off the lid, for example). But as far as I know freebsd has : no any userland acpi daemon, so I can't imagine how, for example, : ajust lid brightness according to plugging/unplugging AC cable, etc. : So wouls you mind to point how to handle acpi changes in freebsd? devd has been growing support to do that in -current. Warner From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 09:36:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4015816A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.san.rr.com (66-27-66-186.san.rr.com [66.27.66.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE8043D2D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:36:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from amrx@ns1.san.rr.com) Received: from ns1.san.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.san.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2UHPjii021651 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:25:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from amrx@ns1.san.rr.com) Received: (from amrx@localhost) by ns1.san.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i2UHPja1021650 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:25:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from amrx) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:25:45 -0800 From: Andrew Marks To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040330172545.GA21606@mail.san.rr.com> References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <4068F730.3020400@pacific.net.sg> <20040329211056.E68476@fez.hyperreal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040329211056.E68476@fez.hyperreal.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on mail.san.rr.com Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:36:17 -0000 On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 09:17:01PM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > I've got this too, under 5-CURRENT, but I can't get atapicam to work; if I > compile it in the kernel then it won't boot if the CD-RW is attached. > Without it in the kernel, I can't burn CDs (unless there's some tool that > supports IDE CD burning?). Any idea? > > They've gotten suspend/resume working under Linux: check out > > http://mrohne.home.cern.ch/mrohne/P2120/P2120_Linux_S3.html > > but it sounds like a Mighty Hack. > > Brian > > On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > I have an Fujitsu P2120. FreeBSD 5.2 works but has problems with the > > power settings. With other words, NT has a longer operating time than > > FreeBSD on it. > > > > All other features of the machines did not make any problems. > > > > Erich > > I also have a P2120 running CURRENT. I noticed that atapicam developed some problems but have been doing alright without out it. I have also been getting along with out my USB 2.0 ports, or pretty much any USB ports, save the one for the floppy drive which seems to work. I was wondering if either of you have USB support on your P2120s, and what you may have done differently than me. Also, there is a power management device that also has no support. dmesg ------------------------------- ohci1: at device 9.0 on pci0 ohci1: Could not map memory device_probe_and_attach: ohci1 attach returned 6 ohci1: at device 9.1 on pci0 ohci1: Could not map memory device_probe_and_attach: ohci1 attach returned 6 pciconf -vl: ------------------------------------------------- none3@pci0:9:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x11a310cf chip=0x00351033 rev=0x41 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NEC Electronics Hong Kong' device = 'uPD9210/72010xx USB Open Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB none4@pci0:9:1: class=0x0c0310 card=0x11a310cf chip=0x00351033 rev=0x41 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NEC Electronics Hong Kong' device = 'uPD9210/72010xx USB Open Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB none5@pci0:9:2: class=0x0c0320 card=0x11a310cf chip=0x00e01033 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NEC Electronics Hong Kong' device = 'uPD720100A/101 USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 09:42:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F90416A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.san.rr.com (66-27-66-186.san.rr.com [66.27.66.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E969243D1D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:42:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from amrx@ns1.san.rr.com) Received: from ns1.san.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.san.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2UHVuii021682 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:31:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from amrx@ns1.san.rr.com) Received: (from amrx@localhost) by ns1.san.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i2UHVuhc021681 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:31:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from amrx) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:31:56 -0800 From: Andrew Marks To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040330173156.GB21606@mail.san.rr.com> References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <4068F730.3020400@pacific.net.sg> <20040329211056.E68476@fez.hyperreal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040329211056.E68476@fez.hyperreal.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on mail.san.rr.com Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:42:36 -0000 On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 09:17:01PM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > I've got this too, under 5-CURRENT, but I can't get atapicam to work; if I > compile it in the kernel then it won't boot if the CD-RW is attached. > Without it in the kernel, I can't burn CDs (unless there's some tool that > supports IDE CD burning?). Any idea? > > They've gotten suspend/resume working under Linux: check out > > http://mrohne.home.cern.ch/mrohne/P2120/P2120_Linux_S3.html > > but it sounds like a Mighty Hack. > > Brian > > On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > I have an Fujitsu P2120. FreeBSD 5.2 works but has problems with the > > power settings. With other words, NT has a longer operating time than > > FreeBSD on it. > > > > All other features of the machines did not make any problems. > > > > Erich Sorry, didn't read your post completely, use burncd to burn cd's. Its really nice, for instace, I organise my mp3's by cd, so to..uhh.. make a backup copy of the cd I bought and ripped, I run this... #!/bin/sh burner="/dev/acd1" speed="max" for mp3 in `ls ./*.mp3 | sed 's/ /@/g' | sed 's/mp3@/mp3 /g' | sort -n` do mp3=`echo ${mp3} | sed 's/@/ /g'` mpg123 -w "${mp3}.wav" "${mp3}"; sox -t wav -r 44100 -s -w -c 2 "${mp3}.wav" "${mp3}.raw"; rm "${mp3}.wav"; done burncd -f ${burner} -s ${speed} audio ./*.raw fixate rm -f *.raw there is probably a better way than converting from to wav then raw, and I think sox can probably do it all for you, but I'll probably never get around to fixing it. -Andrew From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 12:11:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F33616A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from arginine.spc.org (arginine.spc.org [195.206.69.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87D043D31 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:11:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CEE6520F; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:11:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 37884-04-4; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:11:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from empiric.dek.spc.org (82-147-17-88.dsl.uk.rapidplay.com [82.147.17.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605C8651F7; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:11:09 +0100 (BST) Received: by empiric.dek.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 08ECD60EE; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:11:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:11:07 +0100 From: Bruce M Simpson To: Jason Dusek Message-ID: <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> Mail-Followup-To: Jason Dusek , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:11:12 -0000 On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 12:48:07PM -0500, Jason Dusek wrote: > I am in the market for a new laptop and I would like to know which > laptop is the best for running FreeBSD and which one has the easiest > setup. Any suggestions? The IBM ThinkPad T40 is currently rocking my world. BMS From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 12:32:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5352616A4CF for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:32:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from guldan.demon.nl (cust.13.38.adsl.cistron.nl [62.216.13.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C1C43D1F for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:32:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@guldan.demon.nl) Received: from bombur.guldan.demon.nl ([192.168.201.3] helo=localhost) by guldan.demon.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1B8Prs-0005B7-DQ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:29:52 +0200 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:31:21 +0200 From: Robert Blacquiere To: Jason Dusek Message-ID: <20040330203121.GG66381@bombur.guldan.demon.nl> References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Disclaimer: running FreeBSD X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:32:26 -0000 I've been running Current on a Toshiba Portege 7220cte, Compaq M300 and a Compaq EVO N610c. All three work. Only the last one is a heat monster. Pentium IV mobile at 2.0 gig hz. but has a nice 1400x1050 display. All these are "usable" without having a Windows sitting next to it on the harddrive. Robert On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 09:11:07PM +0100, Bruce M Simpson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 12:48:07PM -0500, Jason Dusek wrote: > > I am in the market for a new laptop and I would like to know which > > laptop is the best for running FreeBSD and which one has the easiest > > setup. Any suggestions? > > The IBM ThinkPad T40 is currently rocking my world. > > BMS > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? FreeBSD: Are you guys coming or what? OpenBSD: Hey guys you left some holes out there! From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 12:37:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C41116A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1602E43D45 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:37:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 23423 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 20:37:34 -0000 Received: from localhost.hyperreal.org (HELO dsl027-182-008.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 20:37:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 72915 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Mar 2004 20:37:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 20:37:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:37:30 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf To: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20040330.100357.34743551.imp@bsdimp.com> Message-ID: <20040330123557.U72595@fez.hyperreal.org> References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <20040330.100357.34743551.imp@bsdimp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:37:35 -0000 On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, M. Warner Losh wrote: > I'm as happy as a pig in mud with the Sony VAIO PCG-Z1WA. However, I > have had problems with VAIOs in the past and I've just had it a few > weeks, so I don't know its long term reliability. I'm still using the C1-XS as my primary laptop for 3 years, and it's been quite reliable. And suspend/resume works flawlessly, as does firewire and everything else. I'd upgrade to the Z1 if it didn't replace the pointer stick with a touchpad. Can't stand touchpads. Brian From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 12:44:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E1816A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D89543D2F for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:44:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2UKiIkj013060; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:44:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:44:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20040330.134430.43409398.imp@bsdimp.com> To: brian@hyperreal.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20040330123557.U72595@fez.hyperreal.org> References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <20040330.100357.34743551.imp@bsdimp.com> <20040330123557.U72595@fez.hyperreal.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:44:19 -0000 In message: <20040330123557.U72595@fez.hyperreal.org> Brian Behlendorf writes: : On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, M. Warner Losh wrote: : > I'm as happy as a pig in mud with the Sony VAIO PCG-Z1WA. However, I : > have had problems with VAIOs in the past and I've just had it a few : > weeks, so I don't know its long term reliability. : : I'm still using the C1-XS as my primary laptop for 3 years, and it's been : quite reliable. And suspend/resume works flawlessly, as does firewire and : everything else. I'd upgrade to the Z1 if it didn't replace the pointer : stick with a touchpad. Can't stand touchpads. Well, there is that. I wish I could replace the keyboard with one that has a stick pointer. But the touchpad doesn't suck too bad. Warner From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 14:01:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAB516A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4FE43D1D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:01:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 7748D5309; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:01:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 86D195308; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:01:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 1438233CAA; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:01:17 +0200 (CEST) To: Jason Dusek References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:01:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> (Bruce M. Simpson's message of "Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:11:07 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:01:26 -0000 Bruce M Simpson writes: > On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 12:48:07PM -0500, Jason Dusek wrote: > > I am in the market for a new laptop and I would like to know which=20 > > laptop is the best for running FreeBSD and which one has the easiest=20 > > setup. Any suggestions? > The IBM ThinkPad T40 is currently rocking my world. The ThinkPad series has a long history of bad batteries, buggy BIOSes and AMLs, and idiosyncratic hardware which often requires a DOS or Windows utility to enable / disable / configure. I'd recommend a Dell Latitude (not Inspiron!) instead. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 14:08:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BFC16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from yoda.anything-inc.com (adsl-068-153-193-053.sip.bct.bellsouth.net [68.153.193.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662A243D46 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:08:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from "") Received: from /spool/local by anything-inc.com with [XMail 1.17 (FreeBSD/Ix86) LMAIL Server] for from <>; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:09:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:09:47 -0500 From: Bob Collins To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20040330220947.GA45392@yoda.anything-inc.com> References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Comment: No comment X-Cuse: I have none X-Editor: vi X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=3.5 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:08:53 -0000 On Wed, Mar 31, 2004, Dag-Erling Smrgrav clacked the keyboard to produce: > Bruce M Simpson writes: > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 12:48:07PM -0500, Jason Dusek wrote: > > > I am in the market for a new laptop and I would like to know which > > > laptop is the best for running FreeBSD and which one has the easiest > > > setup. Any suggestions? > > The IBM ThinkPad T40 is currently rocking my world. > > The ThinkPad series has a long history of bad batteries, buggy BIOSes > and AMLs, and idiosyncratic hardware which often requires a DOS or > Windows utility to enable / disable / configure. I'd recommend a Dell > Latitude (not Inspiron!) instead. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no Wow, considering that, I had no issues other than having to use OLDKERNEL to get my pcm slots working, my TP600X runs 4.9 perfectly. So much for the above. And considering the troubles I have had with office based Dell Brickbooks (at 9 pounds or so, they are not really portable) Inspirons and Latitudes, I would not use them if I could do otherwise. Just my 0.02. -- Bob "Play is the work of children. It's very serious stuff. And if it's properly structured in a developmental program, children can blossom." -Bob Keeshan aka `Captain Kangaroo' From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 14:34:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082C616A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94AE43D31 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:34:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 714AD5308; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:34:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 5BCC7530C; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:33:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 37B0C33CAA; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:33:53 +0200 (CEST) To: Bob Collins References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> <20040330220947.GA45392@yoda.anything-inc.com> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:33:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20040330220947.GA45392@yoda.anything-inc.com> (Bob Collins's message of "Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:09:47 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:34:04 -0000 Bob Collins writes: > Wow, considering that, I had no issues other than having to use > OLDKERNEL to get my pcm slots working, my TP600X runs 4.9 perfectly. So > much for the above. I've had three ThinkPads, including a 600E. All of them had problems running FreeBSD. The 600E even had problems running Windows 2000 and XP, even though it had a sticker on it that said "designed for Microsoft Windows". Problems I've experienced include: - original battery dies, brand new replacement battery also dies within months - increasingly severe trackpoint drift culminated in the trackpoint being completely unusable, keyboard / trackpoint unit was replaced, symptoms reappeared months later. - BIOS detects trackpoint malfunction during POST, and refuses to boot without first running complete systems diagnostic (which takes about half an hour and requires a working mouse because the BIOS setup / diagnostic utility is graphical rather than text-based) - laptop suddenly decides to suspend even though AC is plugged in; upon resume, runs for 30 seconds before suspending again, etc. Once this kicks in, laptop is unusable. The only remedy I found was to clear NVRAM in BIOS setup. - DOS / Windows utility required to select RS232 instead of IrDA, because BIOS setup utility has practically no useful functionality besides "select boot device" and "set boot password". > And considering the troubles I have had with office based Dell > Brickbooks (at 9 pounds or so, they are not really portable) Inspirons > and Latitudes, I would not use them if I could do otherwise. That's disingenious. Both IBM and Dell have a variety of models, some designed for performance and others designed for low weight. The Latitude C and D series belong to the former category, as does the ThinkPad 600 series. My ThinkPad 600E and my Latitude D600 both weigh slightly less than 6 lbs, while a Latitude X300 weighs less than 3 lbs according to Dell's website. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 14:52:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717CB16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3E543D39 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:52:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from emerger.yogotech.com (emerger.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2UMq4jq072502; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:52:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by emerger.yogotech.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) id i2UMq4Y3073903; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:52:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16489.64015.51518.862906@emerger.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:51:59 -0700 To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) In-Reply-To: References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> <20040330220947.GA45392@yoda.anything-inc.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid cc: Bob Collins cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nate Williams List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:52:11 -0000 > > Wow, considering that, I had no issues other than having to use > > OLDKERNEL to get my pcm slots working, my TP600X runs 4.9 perfectly. So > > much for the above. > > I've had three ThinkPads, including a 600E. I've personally owned 6 different models of them, including a 750, a 755CX, a 600, a 600E, a 600X, a T21, and a T22. All of them worked very well under FreeBSD. I also supposed 200 of them in the field running various OS's (including Win95/98/NT/2K) as well as FreeBSD. We did stress testing on numerous laptops, and time and time again the Stinkpads won out. They had *FAR* *FAR* *FAR* less problems than any other laptops I've owned, included the older NEC boxes, various Sony's (which I consider to be absolute junk), and numerous Toshibas. Note, the Toshiba's were nice, but weren't nearly as usable as the Thinkpads. > All of them had problems > running FreeBSD. The 600E even had problems running Windows 2000 and > XP, even though it had a sticker on it that said "designed for > Microsoft Windows". Problems I've experienced include: > > - original battery dies, brand new replacement battery also dies > within months Never had a problem, although mine spent about 50% of the time in the docking station. Every laptop I've owned or supported has had the battery die within 12-18 months, regardless of make/manufacturer. > - increasingly severe trackpoint drift culminated in the trackpoint > being completely unusable, keyboard / trackpoint unit was replaced, > symptoms reappeared months later. This (unfortunately) is a very common ThinkPad problem, which they seemed to have finally licked in my T21. I will admit things tended to become a problem, so I solved this by always using an external mouse whenever possible (not on planes obviously). > - BIOS detects trackpoint malfunction during POST, and refuses to > boot without first running complete systems diagnostic (which takes > about half an hour and requires a working mouse because the BIOS > setup / diagnostic utility is graphical rather than text-based) I've never seen this *ever* > - laptop suddenly decides to suspend even though AC is plugged in; > upon resume, runs for 30 seconds before suspending again, etc. > Once this kicks in, laptop is unusable. The only remedy I found > was to clear NVRAM in BIOS setup. Never seen this. I find this interesting as the Thinkpads refuse to go to sleep when plugged in. (This one of the issues I faced when debugging the APM code). > - DOS / Windows utility required to select RS232 instead of IrDA, > because BIOS setup utility has practically no useful functionality > besides "select boot device" and "set boot password". Correct, but this is a one-time affair. There were Linux utilities to do this, but no-one ever took the time to port them to FreeBSD, as it was a non-issue for most bocks. > > And considering the troubles I have had with office based Dell > > Brickbooks (at 9 pounds or so, they are not really portable) Inspirons > > and Latitudes, I would not use them if I could do otherwise. > > That's disingenious. Both IBM and Dell have a variety of models, some > designed for performance and others designed for low weight. Lumping all IBM's as bad because *YOU* had a bad model is no worse. My experience is quite the opposite of yours, and given the # of FreeBSD committers who have had good luck with the Thinkpads, I'd say that it was even out-of-the-orginaary. Now, as of the Internet meltdown I've not owned a laptop, so my experiences with newer models is nil. However, if I were to buy another laptop today, I would *seriously* look at buying an older model T2X series, since: 1) I don't make the big $$ anymore 2) I know they work well w/FreeBSD 3) I've had great experience with ThinkPads and IBM support I can't speak to any long-term ownership issues with Dell's, although what experience I had with them made me love the light weight and keyboard 'feel' of the Thinkpad which I find vastly superior to any other laptop I've used. Then again, Warner like's his Sony, and I wouldnt' touch one with a ten-foot pole. Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 14:57:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379F216A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ip166.usw253.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.253.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14E443D2D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:57:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ran.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1B8SAM-000HJ4-95 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:57:06 -0800 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:57:05 -0800 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> <20040330220947.GA45392@yoda.anything-inc.com> <16489.64015.51518.862906@emerger.yogotech.com> Message-Id: <20040330225706.F14E443D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:57:07 -0000 my laptop is bigger than yours! :-) as i said to des privately, they all suck. the question is how badly and if their particular suck is a place that hurts you. randy, who has owned and liked both dells and ibms From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 15:01:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4187B16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nic-naa.net (216-220-241-233.midmaine.com [216.220.241.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C9C43D2D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:01:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brunner@nic-naa.net) Received: from nic-naa.net (localhost.wampumpeag.net [127.0.0.1]) by nic-naa.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i2UN8m87093693; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:08:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brunner@nic-naa.net) Message-Id: <200403302308.i2UN8m87093693@nic-naa.net> To: Randy Bush In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:57:05 PST." <20040330225706.F14E443D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:08:48 -0500 From: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:01:01 -0000 > randy, who has owned and liked both dells and ibms disowning that tx505??? I need one for parts. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 15:02:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0698A16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (gilmore.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.33.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E867343D2D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:02:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tweten@nas.nasa.gov) Received: from gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (IDENT:HYNOV9jZsTQeXDZ6Dj1CFpFbFkY7Im2C@localhost.nas.nasa.gov [127.0.0.1]) i2UN2L8c004120; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:02:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tweten@gilmore.nas.nasa.gov) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) From: Dave Tweten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:02:21 -0800 Message-ID: <4119.1080687741@gilmore.nas.nasa.gov> Sender: tweten@nas.nasa.gov cc: Bob Collins cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: David.E.Tweten@nasa.gov List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:02:30 -0000 des@des.no said: >I've had three ThinkPads, including a 600E. All of them had problems >running FreeBSD. I use three ThinkPads now, all T23s. None of them has ever had a problem running FreeBSD. The one that has the combined wireless / losemodem doesn't have modem support with any open source OS, but the other two that use Lucent losemodems without the combined wireless are supported. My T23 and the union's T23 have been flawless for the two years since I bought them from IBM through Ebay. NASA's T23 has been on 24x7, serving as my workstation for over a year. It's hard disk recently began to fail to initialize if power cycled immediately after being seriously stressed (say by a Norton virus scan). IBM sent me a replacement under warrantee, and I'm typing this message on that T23. I love the trackpoint as opposed to touch pads. I always tend to rest my thumbs on a touch pad, with unpredictable results. Trackpoint drift cancels itself out if you just keep your hands off the trackpoint for a few seconds. I've never had a problem with any of the six batteries (main and ultraport extra for each of three machines). Unlike my experience with other laptops, these batteries seem to last as long as the manufacturer claims between recharges. Usually, I cut the claims in half as I read them. Power management software works fine with STABLE. I got the IBM/Phoenix stand-alone hibernation partition initialization diskette, and hybernation works well too (except for the need to switch to virtual console and back to XFree86 after waking up from hibernation). Obviously, your mileage may vary. I like mine. -- M/S 258-5 |1024-bit PGP fingerprint:|tweten@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center | 41 B0 89 0A 8F 94 6C 59| (650) 604-4416 Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000| 7C 80 10 20 25 C7 2F E6|FAX: (650) 604-4377 Not an official NASA position. You can't even be certain who sent this! From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 15:04:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEF416A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ip166.usw253.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.253.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A92943D41 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:04:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ran.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1B8SHG-000HVV-L8; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:04:14 -0800 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:04:14 -0800 To: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine References: <20040330225706.F14E443D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <200403302308.i2UN8m87093693@nic-naa.net> Message-Id: <20040330230416.9A92943D41@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:04:16 -0000 > disowning that tx505??? years ago. sony wanted $1800 to fix it in warantee period when refurb units were selling on the sony site for $1500. "then we suggest you just buy one from our site." > I need one for parts. i bet you do. but gave it to a swedish friend for parts. randy, who would not buy a sony anything From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 15:15:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6796116A4D0 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxfep02.bredband.com (mxfep02.bredband.com [195.54.107.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C3843D3F for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.schuller@infidyne.com) Received: from thunderbolt.scode.org ([213.113.221.73] [213.113.221.73]) by mxfep02.bredband.com with ESMTP <20040330231523.TWVQ3291.mxfep02.bredband.com@thunderbolt.scode.org>; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:15:23 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thunderbolt.scode.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56D011FA91; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:15:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Schuller To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:15:29 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <000201c41391$205b3350$0300000a@niked> In-Reply-To: <000201c41391$205b3350$0300000a@niked> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403310115.30008.peter.schuller@infidyne.com> cc: Nikolay Denev Subject: Re: ThinkPad X31, Fn buttons X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:15:25 -0000 > i have an Tp X31 (with the latest bios), with FreeBSD 5.2.1-p3 installed, > everything seems to work ok, wireless(ProjectEvil rules!), net, audio, X, > firewire, with hw.pci.unsupported_io_range enabled. > But whenever i press some of the 'special', Fn keys, such as to > increase/decrease brightness, volume up/down, keyboard light, or even the > lid switch, the machine instantly freezes.... > i'm experiencing this only with acpi enabled, but i hope that i can keep > acpi on, so i don't like the idea of disabling acpi. I am experiencing the same problem on the T40p, except I get it with both ACPI and APM - but *ONLY* if I have the extra 'ultrabay' batteri plugged in. When running with just the main battery I have no such problems. Also it tends to hang somewhere around disk synching during shutdown/reboot aswell (again only with the extra battery). -- / Peter Schuller, InfiDyne Technologies HB PGP userID: 0xE9758B7D or 'Peter Schuller ' Key retrieval: Send an E-Mail to getpgpkey@scode.org E-Mail: peter.schuller@infidyne.com Web: http://www.scode.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 15:30:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2676116A4CF for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ims1.edisontel.com (mail1.edisontel.com [62.94.0.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDFB43D2F for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:30:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from err@freehtml.it) Received: from merope (62.94.97.213) by ims1.edisontel.com (6.7.019) id 3FCC5F5700BAFAC1; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:30:26 +0200 Message-ID: <016e01c416ae$fa79e6b0$0100a8c0@merope> From: "tlei" To: "Brian Behlendorf" , "Erich Dollansky" References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <4068F730.3020400@pacific.net.sg> <20040329212009.C70432@fez.hyperreal.org> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:25:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 cc: "Mobile@BSD" Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: tlei List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:30:38 -0000 OiANCjogSSd2ZSBnb3QgdGhpcyB0b28sIHVuZGVyIDUtQ1VSUkVOVCwgYnV0IEkgY2FuJ3QgZ2V0 IGF0YXBpY2FtIHRvIHdvcms7IGlmIEkNCjogY29tcGlsZSBpdCBpbiB0aGUga2VybmVsIHRoZW4g aXQgd29uJ3QgYm9vdCBpZiB0aGUgQ0QtUlcgaXMgYXR0YWNoZWQuDQo6IFdpdGhvdXQgaXQgaW4g dGhlIGtlcm5lbCwgSSBjYW4ndCBidXJuIENEcyAodW5sZXNzIHRoZXJlJ3Mgc29tZSB0b29sIHRo YXQNCjogc3VwcG9ydHMgSURFIENEIGJ1cm5pbmc/KS4gIEFueSBpZGVhPw0KDQp5b3UgY2FuIHVz ZSAiYnVybmNkIiBmb3IgYXRhcGkgaWRlIGJ1cm5pbmcuIA0KeW91IG5lZWQgYXRhcGljYW0gb25s eSB0byB3b3JrIHdpdGggY2RyZWNvcmQgb250byBpZGUgcmVjb3JkZXJzIChhbmQgc28gdXNpbmcg Z3JhcGhpY2FsIHRvb2xzIGFzIGszYiBldGMpDQoNCmhpDQoNCjogVGhleSd2ZSBnb3R0ZW4gc3Vz cGVuZC9yZXN1bWUgd29ya2luZyB1bmRlciBMaW51eDogY2hlY2sgb3V0DQo6IA0KOiBodHRwOi8v bXJvaG5lLmhvbWUuY2Vybi5jaC9tcm9obmUvUDIxMjAvUDIxMjBfTGludXhfUzMuaHRtbA0KOiAN CjogYnV0IGl0IHNvdW5kcyBsaWtlIGEgTWlnaHR5IEhhY2suDQo6IA0KOiAgICAgICAgIEJyaWFu DQo6IA0KOiBPbiBUdWUsIDMwIE1hciAyMDA0LCBFcmljaCBEb2xsYW5za3kgd3JvdGU6DQo6ID4g SSBoYXZlIGFuIEZ1aml0c3UgUDIxMjAuIEZyZWVCU0QgNS4yIHdvcmtzIGJ1dCBoYXMgcHJvYmxl bXMgd2l0aCB0aGUNCjogPiBwb3dlciBzZXR0aW5ncy4gV2l0aCBvdGhlciB3b3JkcywgTlQgaGFz IGEgbG9uZ2VyIG9wZXJhdGluZyB0aW1lIHRoYW4NCjogPiBGcmVlQlNEIG9uIGl0Lg0KOiA+DQo6 ID4gQWxsIG90aGVyIGZlYXR1cmVzIG9mIHRoZSBtYWNoaW5lcyBkaWQgbm90IG1ha2UgYW55IHBy b2JsZW1zLg0KOiA+DQo6ID4gRXJpY2gNCjogPg0KOiA+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQo6ID4gZnJlZWJzZC1tb2JpbGVAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcg bWFpbGluZyBsaXN0DQo6ID4gaHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLmZyZWVic2Qub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGlu Zm8vZnJlZWJzZC1tb2JpbGUNCjogPiBUbyB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSwgc2VuZCBhbnkgbWFpbCB0byAi ZnJlZWJzZC1tb2JpbGUtdW5zdWJzY3JpYmVAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmciDQo6IA0KOiBfX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KOiBmcmVlYnNkLW1vYmlsZUBm cmVlYnNkLm9yZyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QNCjogaHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLmZyZWVic2Qub3JnL21haWxt YW4vbGlzdGluZm8vZnJlZWJzZC1tb2JpbGUNCjogVG8gdW5zdWJzY3JpYmUsIHNlbmQgYW55IG1h aWwgdG8gImZyZWVic2QtbW9iaWxlLXVuc3Vic2NyaWJlQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIg0K From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 16:00:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2045916A4CF for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.interbgc.com (mail.interbgc.com [217.9.224.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 11B5843D46 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:00:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nike_d@cytexbg.com) Received: (qmail 18954 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 00:00:05 -0000 Received: from nike_d@cytexbg.com by keeper.interbgc.com by uid 1002 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4335. spamassassin: 2.63. 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Processed in 2.800852 secs); 31 Mar 2004 00:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO phobos.totalterror.net) (10.0.0.6) by tormentor.totalterror.net with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 00:00:26 -0000 References: <000201c41391$205b3350$0300000a@niked> <200403310115.30008.peter.schuller@infidyne.com> Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Niki Denev To: Peter Schuller Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:59:34 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_mimegpg-phobos.totalterror.net-567-1080687574-0001"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ThinkPad X31, Fn buttons X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:00:08 -0000 This is a MIME GnuPG-signed message. If you see this text, it means that your E-mail or Usenet software does not support MIME signed messages. --=_mimegpg-phobos.totalterror.net-567-1080687574-0001 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Schuller writes: >> i have an Tp X31 (with the latest bios), with FreeBSD 5.2.1-p3 installed, >> everything seems to work ok, wireless(ProjectEvil rules!), net, audio, X, >> firewire, with hw.pci.unsupported_io_range enabled. >> But whenever i press some of the 'special', Fn keys, such as to >> increase/decrease brightness, volume up/down, keyboard light, or even the >> lid switch, the machine instantly freezes.... >> i'm experiencing this only with acpi enabled, but i hope that i can keep >> acpi on, so i don't like the idea of disabling acpi. > > I am experiencing the same problem on the T40p, except I get it with both ACPI > and APM - but *ONLY* if I have the extra 'ultrabay' batteri plugged in. When > running with just the main battery I have no such problems. > > Also it tends to hang somewhere around disk synching during shutdown/reboot > aswell (again only with the extra battery). > > -- > / Peter Schuller, InfiDyne Technologies HB > > PGP userID: 0xE9758B7D or 'Peter Schuller ' > Key retrieval: Send an E-Mail to getpgpkey@scode.org > E-Mail: peter.schuller@infidyne.com Web: http://www.scode.org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > on my X31 without ACPI, the special keys seem to work without freezing the laptop, but i have about 1 minute or less after booting before total freeze, again without any error message, and without chance to invoke the debugger.... i've tried to enable all of the possible ACPI debug messages, but they fill up the screen very fast.... i'm now trying to disable different ACPI components, to see what will happen... --Niki --=_mimegpg-phobos.totalterror.net-567-1080687574-0001 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBAafvXHNAJ/fLbfrkRAljoAKCddhd0SyMgGYtWRFzhvUy3Q4RCIwCgscw4 z6qsL4rrHrDwCfmO6cS9YZg= =LvAE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_mimegpg-phobos.totalterror.net-567-1080687574-0001-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 16:10:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE0E16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A3B43D2D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:10:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-mobile@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B8TJd-0003ik-00 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:10:45 +0200 Received: from makrothumia.wingnet.net ([206.30.215.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:10:45 +0200 Received: from jesse by makrothumia.wingnet.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:10:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: Jesse Guardiani Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:10:40 -0500 Organization: WingNET Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: makrothumia.wingnet.net User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 X-Mail-Copies-To: never Sender: news Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jesse@wingnet.net List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:10:47 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Bruce M Simpson writes: >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 12:48:07PM -0500, Jason Dusek wrote: >> > I am in the market for a new laptop and I would like to know which >> > laptop is the best for running FreeBSD and which one has the easiest >> > setup. Any suggestions? >> The IBM ThinkPad T40 is currently rocking my world. > > The ThinkPad series has a long history of bad batteries, buggy BIOSes > and AMLs, and idiosyncratic hardware which often requires a DOS or > Windows utility to enable / disable / configure. I'd recommend a Dell > Latitude (not Inspiron!) instead. :) My co-worker just bought an Inspiron against my advice. The keyboard was replaced under warranty a week after it arrived. You'll get no respect for Dells from me. My IBM A30p is alright if you're looking for a mostly-desktop-that-you- can-take-with-you kind of laptop. It's relatively large and heavy though, and the battery life stinks (1.5hrs on my oldish battery). Mostly everything works on it though. Sound (including on-keyboard volume buttons and mute), 3d GFX (not that there's really any use for that on FreeBSD), USB, Wireless (.11b), CD-ROM/DVD-ROM, Floppy, Suspend/Resume, etc... Things that don't work are: Modem, ACPI (but ACPI sorta worked back in 5.1-RELEASE) Things that I can't get working, but that I *think* do work: 4 pin firewire, IrDA My trackpoint drifts, but it's not unusable. Just tap the front of the machine lightly with one finger and it stops, then keep doing what you were doing. I'm personally of the mind that touch pads are for people who lack the coordination to use a trackpoint. Also, don't expect things to go smoothly if you're running 5.2.1 or -CURRENT. Too many things have changed since 4.x. It'll be awhile before it's as polished, IMO. I personally run 5.2.1-RELEASE on my A30p, but I've got a long list of gripes that I'm not able to fix. I don't think I'll go back to 4.x though. Lotsa great new features in 5.x to lessen the sting. If money is no object and you don't strictly need FreeBSD then I recommend Powerbooks. Pretty GUI with a true UNIX core (Darwin). My boss has one of the big 17" models. They're awsome. -- Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator WingNET Internet Services, P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) http://www.wingnet.net From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 18:15:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2066216A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal2.es.net (proxy.es.net [198.128.3.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B94543D1D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:15:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal2.es.net (Postal Node 2) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:15:38 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 1FD7A5D07; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:15:38 -0800 (PST) To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:01:16 +0200." Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:15:38 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20040331021538.1FD7A5D07@ptavv.es.net> cc: Jason Dusek cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:15:39 -0000 > From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:01:16 +0200 > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > Bruce M Simpson writes: > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 12:48:07PM -0500, Jason Dusek wrote: > > > I am in the market for a new laptop and I would like to know which > > > laptop is the best for running FreeBSD and which one has the easiest > > > setup. Any suggestions? > > The IBM ThinkPad T40 is currently rocking my world. > > The ThinkPad series has a long history of bad batteries, buggy BIOSes > and AMLs, and idiosyncratic hardware which often requires a DOS or > Windows utility to enable / disable / configure. I'd recommend a Dell > Latitude (not Inspiron!) instead. I've been using ThinkPads for FreeBSD for several years. 570, 600E, and T30. All have run well, although the 600E did have a problem with batteries. (IBM was happy to send me replacements, though.) They do require a DOS utility to adjust BIOS, although that is largely gone with recent models and ACPI. I have had little problem with buggy BIOS with APM, but I did need to upgrade to get ACPI to work properly on my T30. It's been fine for over a year, now and the biggest issue turned out to be and error in the ACPI code in FreeBSD which was also fixed LONG ago. I have never had hardware problems with any of them and the IBM support and service have always been simply excellent. (See battery comment above.) I have historically found ThinkPads to be excellent systems for FreeBSD, -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 18:26:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F93616A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1951543D48 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:26:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jester@panix.com) Received: from panix2.panix.com (panix2.panix.com [166.84.1.2]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339B048776; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jester@localhost) by panix2.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixN1.1) id i2V2Q0s27661; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:26:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:26:00 -0500 From: Jesse Sheidlower To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20040331022559.GB26923@panix.com> References: <20040331021538.1FD7A5D07@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040331021538.1FD7A5D07@ptavv.es.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:26:01 -0000 On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 06:15:38PM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > I have had little problem with buggy BIOS with APM, but I did need > to upgrade to get ACPI to work properly on my T30. It's been fine for > over a year, now and the biggest issue turned out to be and error in the > ACPI code in FreeBSD which was also fixed LONG ago. The impression I had gotten from various messages to this list had been that there still were problems with ACPI on ThinkPads, especially with freezes on suspend/resume. Did you do anything special to avoid such problems, or are you just lucky, or what? I'm about to install onto a T41p and was going to skip ACPI and stick with APM, because I don't want the hassle, but if ACPI works, great. Jesse Sheidlower From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 19:50:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011FB16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from santiago.pacific.net.sg (santiago.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E466543D1D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:50:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 21043 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 03:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell2.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.192) by santiago with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 03:50:47 -0000 Received: from pacific.net.sg ([210.24.202.50]) by maxwell2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20040331035047.BQHX1277.maxwell2.pacific.net.sg@pacific.net.sg>; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:50:47 +0800 Message-ID: <406A3E59.8090203@pacific.net.sg> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:43:21 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Marks References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <4068F730.3020400@pacific.net.sg> <20040329211056.E68476@fez.hyperreal.org> <20040330172545.GA21606@mail.san.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <20040330172545.GA21606@mail.san.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 03:50:51 -0000 Hi. Andrew Marks wrote: > I also have a P2120 running CURRENT. I noticed that atapicam developed I went back to 5.2 RELEASE after a very short while. > dmesg > ------------------------------- > ohci1: at device 9.0 on pci0 > ohci1: Could not map memory > device_probe_and_attach: ohci1 attach returned 6 > ohci1: at device 9.1 on pci0 > ohci1: Could not map memory > device_probe_and_attach: ohci1 attach returned 6 > I can't remember if the drivers got installed. I believe they did because I was looking to get a video camera up and running. I faild to get the right software for the camera. I have had to install XP back on that machine because we need one Windows machine and Windows has some advantages when it comes to power management. So, the P2120 was the victim. Did you check this site out? http://www.obso1337.org I just saw, he redid his site again, here a direct link: http://www.obso1337.org/newsite/index.php?area=P2120 This was pretty helpfull to me. Erich From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 20:05:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BA216A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from arwen.teledomenet.gr (arwen.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD57B43D39 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:05:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beherit@teledomenet.gr) Received: from Vortexvoid (ppp-sal-244.teledomenet.gr [213.142.139.244]) by arwen.teledomenet.gr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i2V3rj6x017962 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:53:47 +0300 Message-ID: <001201c40014$5f702ef0$0100a8c0@Vortexvoid> From: "RSVP" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: HP Laptop problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 04:05:41 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 07:08:16 +0200 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 04:05:41 -0000 I try to install FreeBSD 5.2 on a HP pavilion zx5000 series, model = zx5020EA. I tried all boot selections from the menu with the ascii devil = but it immedietely stucks and the laptop turns off. Can anyone help please? From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 20:10:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B89716A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sarajevo.pacific.net.sg (sarajevo.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C82943D1D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 9340 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 04:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell2.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.192) by sarajevo with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 04:10:03 -0000 Received: from pacific.net.sg ([210.24.202.50]) by maxwell2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20040331041003.BUFE1277.maxwell2.pacific.net.sg@pacific.net.sg>; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:10:03 +0800 Message-ID: <406A42DD.6090308@pacific.net.sg> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:02:37 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> <20040330220947.GA45392@yoda.anything-inc.com> <16489.64015.51518.862906@emerger.yogotech.com> In-Reply-To: <16489.64015.51518.862906@emerger.yogotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: Bob Collins cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 04:10:06 -0000 Hi, Nate Williams wrote: > (which I consider to be absolute junk), and numerous Toshibas. Note, > the Toshiba's were nice, but weren't nearly as usable as the Thinkpads. > Toshibas are only usable when they are Tecras or Porteges. I would not recommend the others. Erich From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 22:23:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6084716A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub01.unibe.ch (mailhub01.unibe.ch [130.92.9.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB71A43D58 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:23:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roth@speedy.unibe.ch) Received: from localhost (scanhub01-eth0.unibe.ch [130.92.254.65]) by mailhub01.unibe.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id E435725BAD5; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:23:29 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mailhub01.unibe.ch ([130.92.9.52]) by localhost (scanhub01 [130.92.254.65]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23609-10-54; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from asterix.unibe.ch (asterix.unibe.ch [130.92.64.4]) by mailhub01.unibe.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389B525BAE5; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:23:27 +0200 (MEST) Received: from speedy.unibe.ch (speedy [130.92.64.35]) by asterix.unibe.ch (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i2V6NQb25743; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:23:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from roth@localhost) by speedy.unibe.ch (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.9/Submit) id i2V6NQ3o009119; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:23:26 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:23:26 +0200 From: Tobias Roth To: Toxa Message-ID: <20040331062325.GA9093@speedy.unibe.ch> References: <406835B5.2020301@nikiforov.ru> <20040329150230.GA20492@speedy.unibe.ch> <43528078.20040329215140@sendmail.ru> <20040330055323.GA24456@speedy.unibe.ch> <1075987519.20040331001652@sendmail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1075987519.20040331001652@sendmail.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-message-flag: Warning! Using Outlook is insecure and promotes virus distribution. Please use a different email client. X-Virus-checked: by University of Berne cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AP Scanning X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:23:31 -0000 On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 12:16:52AM +0400, Toxa wrote: > > Ok, thanks, I have already configured it, ofcource original patch does not > suite to current defaults/rc.conf, rc.suspend, rc.resume files but this is > not problem, sure, it's trivial to correct it according to current > changes (i'm using -current branch on my laptop). Profiles ("home" and > "work" :-) are configured by me and I'll drop you a line in day or > two to describe my impressions :-) sweet, i am looking forward to your answer. i am planning to improve the patch a bit when i get some time (in a month or two), namely: 1) acpi support 2) better behaviour after a crash 3) a really working suspend in location a and resume in location b 1) will depend on how acpi will work on my thinkpad, i read that it works pretty good these days with -current 2) this will be quite simple, make the script execute after fsck in the rc.d chain, but it needs testing 3) this i'll plan to do by adding specific SUSPEND tags to all rc.d scripts that will tell whether or not the stop/start action should be taken. plus i have to figure out how to keep X working after a resume and a possible hostname/ip change. maybe i also have to change the hostname through sysctl, but this is not related. all in all, there is still some work to do and i am happy for any feedback. two things to note: do not rely on suspend/resume + profile patch to work flawlessly. it does work quite well if you don't use X, but it is not clean yet. if you want to use suspend/resume a lot, undo the changes to rc.suspend and rc.resume and use the profile patch without that funtionality. and do watch out when your machine should crash! after a crash, boot to single user mode and fsck manually. crash plus starting up with a profile is not working correctly yet. i hope i will find some time soon to enhance this patch. greets, t. btw, nice email address :) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 05:56:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E50E16A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal3.es.net (postal3.es.net [198.128.3.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7B343D1F for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:56:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal3.es.net (Postal Node 3) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:56:42 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 67DC35D07; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:56:32 -0800 (PST) To: Erich Dollansky In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:02:37 +0800." <406A42DD.6090308@pacific.net.sg> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:56:31 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20040331135633.67DC35D07@ptavv.es.net> cc: Nate Williams cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: Bob Collins cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:56:42 -0000 > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:02:37 +0800 > From: Erich Dollansky > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > Hi, > > Nate Williams wrote: > > > (which I consider to be absolute junk), and numerous Toshibas. Note, > > the Toshiba's were nice, but weren't nearly as usable as the Thinkpads. > > > Toshibas are only usable when they are Tecras or Porteges. I would not > recommend the others. Before going with a Toshiba, be sure to try the keyboard. I know of several people who have ditched Tecra's and I rejected them because of the keyboards. They often require special X hacks to avoid double-striking due to the excessive bouncing. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 07:16:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAC216A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from yoda.anything-inc.com (adsl-068-153-193-053.sip.bct.bellsouth.net [68.153.193.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B51F43D49 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:16:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from "") Received: from /spool/local by anything-inc.com with [XMail 1.17 (FreeBSD/Ix86) LMAIL Server] for from <>; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:17:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:17:13 -0500 From: Bob Collins To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20040331151713.GA48687@yoda.anything-inc.com> References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <20040330201107.GA95453@empiric.dek.spc.org> <20040330220947.GA45392@yoda.anything-inc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Comment: No comment X-Cuse: I have none X-Editor: vi X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=3.5 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:16:10 -0000 On Wed, Mar 31, 2004, Dag-Erling Smrgrav clacked the keyboard to produce: > Bob Collins writes: > > Wow, considering that, I had no issues other than having to use > > OLDKERNEL to get my pcm slots working, my TP600X runs 4.9 perfectly. So > > much for the above. > > I've had three ThinkPads, including a 600E. All of them had problems > running FreeBSD. The 600E even had problems running Windows 2000 and [snip] > I have seen the battery issue, however under warranty IBM was generally pretty good about replacing them. The BIOS issues seem rather odd to me, as I have never seen or heard such until now. That does not mean it does not happen, I just have never heard of it. YMMV. > That's disingenuous. Both IBM and Dell have a variety of models, some > designed for performance and others designed for low weight. The > Latitude C and D series belong to the former category, as does the > ThinkPad 600 series. My ThinkPad 600E and my Latitude D600 both weigh > slightly less than 6 lbs, while a Latitude X300 weighs less than 3 lbs > according to Dell's website. > I am not trying to be disingenuous, but rather pointing out from my somewhat limited actual use/empirical evidence, the Dells, even in the lightweight configurations (albeit none of the latest models) have always been a trouble too me and never really all that great for portability. And yes I understand about the system specs and all that, but my personal experience has been that the TPs tend to be lighter and better packaged. And I am quite bummed to read from you so many issues with TPs. I guess we all gravitate to the hardware that we know works well for each of us. [subjective mode on] And another thing, as a licensed Architect, I find the physical design of the Dells and most others excluding the Thinkpads and Apples, to be quite poor. Now that comment is purely subjective as all design is subjective. I think the flow of the machine in the older Dells and such is not there, it looks like the case was an afterthought while the TPs and Apples try to encompass the hardware with a rather sexy case. Admittedly the new Dells are getting better in design. [subjective mode off] As a side note, I am replacing my 600X with a very nice pre-owned T22. I look forward to installing FBSD on it and using the heck out of it. -- Bob "Play is the work of children. It's very serious stuff. And if it's properly structured in a developmental program, children can blossom." -Bob Keeshan aka `Captain Kangaroo' From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 08:04:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A51216A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.lambertfam.org (www.lambertfam.org [216.223.208.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DC043D55 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:04:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lambertfam.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2852934D64 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.lambertfam.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (www.lambertfam.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01160-08 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptop.lambertfam.org (ool-182db8f6.dyn.optonline.net [24.45.184.246]) by mail.lambertfam.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD2F34D50 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by laptop.lambertfam.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1C8BEC14D; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:04:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:04:29 -0500 From: Scott Lambert To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040331160429.GA58940@laptop.lambertfam.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <406A42DD.6090308@pacific.net.sg> <20040331135633.67DC35D07@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040331135633.67DC35D07@ptavv.es.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at lambertfam.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:04:42 -0000 On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 05:56:31AM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:02:37 +0800 > > From: Erich Dollansky > > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > > > Hi, > > > > Nate Williams wrote: > > > > > (which I consider to be absolute junk), and numerous Toshibas. > > > Note, the Toshiba's were nice, but weren't nearly as usable as the > > > Thinkpads. > > > > Toshibas are only usable when they are Tecras or Porteges. I would > > not recommend the others. > > Before going with a Toshiba, be sure to try the keyboard. I know > of several people who have ditched Tecra's and I rejected them > because of the keyboards. They often require special X hacks to avoid > double-striking due to the excessive bouncing. I never had that problem with my Satellite. The only keyboard issue I had was the up arrow would get stuck occasionally. My new Compaq Presario keyboard sometimes seems to need the key to be pressed harder than I think necessary to actually generate a keypress event. I do have a double bounce problem with the mouse buttons on this %&# !@$% touchpad. I want my trackpoint back. And for the original poster. The Compaq seems pretty solidly built; Better than a friend's two year old Dell Inspiron (2800?) I had to clean viruses and spyware off last week. My model Compaq probably doesn't qualify as the perfect FreeBSD laptop because it is low end and only has a 1024x768 screen. The ACPI ASL has problems which prevent the acpi_video module from working and the last time I tried to suspend (S3), it didn't wake up. There have been a few imports of acpi code since then that I haven't had a chance to try out. For the price, I think it makes a decent FreeBSD workstation without a lot of effort being required. Yeah, I was shocked too. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org http://www.lambertfam.org/~lambert/resume.html From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 09:45:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F029E16A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-45.apple.com [17.250.248.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17C143D1D for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itinerant@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i2VHjw14008876 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com (82-32-116-200.cable.ubr03.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk [82.32.116.200]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 3.0) with ESMTP id i2VHjtIR015236 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:45:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <406B03F1.4030907@mac.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:46:25 +0100 From: Pete Carss User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040330) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:45:59 -0000 Funny, I've been trying to run FreeBSD on a HP/compaq nx9005, to try and get away from Apple, its definately "money no object"...although the argument has changed - Its not Apple hardware that's dear, and the money saved in setup/fiddling time is probably worth something...its more that I was trying to save money on software, I'm happy using AbiWord/Gnumeric/Eclipse/Blender etc - but they feel pretty schitzophrenic on Mac OS X. Thanks to a recent thread on this list my nx9005 is getting a lot of use - I've had to track current, but its mostly stable. Got powernow working, now It geels like a laptop again...originally I bought it as it was the cheapest non-celeron laptop in the UK - when you crank it up its pretty swift. I does have the best trackpad I've ever used on a laptop. It has a strip on the right with a ridge seperating it from the rest of the tracking area - if you add a ZAxisMapping line to XF86Config it works for scrolling - really sweet. It also has a button to disable the trackpad - realy usefull when your typing... Actually this is my first post to this list...but I owe it quite a lot - I finally feel like I got myself a little unix-go anywhere workhorse - for next to nothing...saved me from gentoo hell Thanks Guys... Pete > > If money is no object and you don't strictly need FreeBSD then I recommend > Powerbooks. Pretty GUI with a true UNIX core (Darwin). My boss has one of > the big 17" models. They're awsome. > From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 11:39:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427EE16A4DA for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.newlines.ru (mail.newlines.ru [195.54.211.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366E143D41 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:39:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Received: from mail.newlines.ru (root@localhost) by mail.newlines.ru (8.12.10/8.12.9) with SMTP id i2VJdPio043458 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:39:40 GMT (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Received: from nikiforov.ru (florent-mashin.rmt.ru [81.13.8.34]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.newlines.ru (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2VJcOWv042242; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:39:00 GMT (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Message-ID: <406B1E15.3000107@nikiforov.ru> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:37:57 +0400 From: Anton Nikiforov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040307 X-Accept-Language: ru-ru, ru, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <001b01c4060e$713a2000$0200a8c0@peron> <404E2F32.4000003@nikiforov.ru> <4052025F.6040804@nikiforov.ru> <405224A5.90002@nikiforov.ru> In-Reply-To: <405224A5.90002@nikiforov.ru> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020307080903030106090608" Subject: Re: Compaq Presario 2585 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: anton@nikiforov.ru List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:39:57 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020307080903030106090608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All! A few weeks ago i was asking here about how to get my Subj's ACPI to work properly. Now i have read more about this and kindly asking for some additional help. What i have: I did search for new bios update, dsdt files anything for my notebook and found out nothing that could be helpful. New bios changing unneeded features (i have no problems with TV hot key that bios update provides and i found no DSDT file for my notebook even for similar and unfocheantly i could not understand what should i do with asl/dsdt files) I was trying to run devd to monitor at least my battery and added the following to the end of devd.conf file (actualy exactly from the example) notify 10 { match "system" "ACPI"; match "subsystem" "ACAD"; action "/etc/acpi_ac $notify"; }; notify 10 { match "system" "ACPI"; match "subsystem" "CMBAT"; action "/etc/acpi_ac $notify"; }; and i did create file /etc/acpi_ac $notify that is writing $notify ($1) to the log just to find out what is going to happend i did start devd daemon and got nothing in the log even when my notebook switches to the battery and working on it till the very power loss. according to reccomendations in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/acpi-debug.html i did a dump even not changing names :) acpidump -t -d -o foo.dsdt > foo.asl then tryed to recompile the disassembled file iasl foo.asl And got two errors (and a few warnings that i could ignore according to the mentioned handbook page) foo.asl 908: If (LNot (LEqual (ShiftRight (And (Local1, 0x10), 0x03), And (Local2, 0x02)))) Error 1013 - Method local variable is not initialized ^ (Local1) foo.asl 2321: Name (_HID, "*SYN0106") Error 1068 - String must be entirely alphanumeric ^ (*SYN0106) Could someone please give me the place to read about what should i do because man pages are nt very descriptive. Or maybe someone already solved this? 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Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sizone.org (mortar.sizone.org [65.126.154.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEAC43D1F for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:02:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by sizone.org (Postfix, from userid 66) id D64EC30ED1; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 28B031D2271; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:01:59 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16491.12742.928696.205559@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:01:58 -0500 To: Pete Carss In-Reply-To: <406B03F1.4030907@mac.com> References: <40686157.3020902@cs.uiowa.edu> <406B03F1.4030907@mac.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 14) "Reasonable Discussion" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:02:05 -0000 I've been using a Dell Latitude D800 for some time now. As laptops go, it's on the fairly high end. It's a Centrino 1.7Ghz with a 60G drive and 1G of memory. Most spectacularly, it has a nvidia chipset supporting a 1920x1200 screen.... which makes for excellent movie watching. I also got the DVD+RW drive. One interesting point for the Dell is that it includes both a touchpad and the little joystick... so you can have your cake and eat it too. The ACPI isn't stellar. Suspend isn't working yet (although it's been awhile since I worked on it). I have some patches for the DSDT that make it work better. The USB also only works in 1.1 mode, not 2.0. But the nvidia hardware drivers run well and 3D performance is pretty slick. I currently use it as both a desktop replacement and a portable unit to use on the train. It's a little heavy, but I don't think that can be avoided with all the features I have. I also run a support mailing list at: http://ox.eicat.ca/mailman/listinfo/dell-d800 Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 13:49:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B0C16A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71B943D2D for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:49:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from c.widger@comcast.net) Received: from comcast.net (c-24-5-158-1.client.comcast.net[24.5.158.1]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20040331214952015007ibe8e> (Authid: c.widger); Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:49:53 +0000 Message-ID: <406ACFCF.5070108@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:03:59 -0800 From: c widger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040218 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Compaq Presario 2585 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:49:54 -0000 >Could someone please give me the place to read about what should i do >because man pages are nt very descriptive. Or maybe someone already >solved this? I have a Presario 2100 and I found the same problem when I compiled my foo.asl; it turns out more then a few people have had this problem with more then a few familys of Unix. I found a working 2100.asl after some Google searching. The Linux asl will fork with FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 17:52:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844E616A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from arwen.teledomenet.gr (arwen.teledomenet.gr [213.142.128.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972A243D3F for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:52:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beherit@teledomenet.gr) Received: from Vortexvoid (ppp-sal-146.teledomenet.gr [213.142.139.146]) by arwen.teledomenet.gr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i311eP6x009984 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 04:40:27 +0300 Message-ID: <003101c4178c$591e8850$0100a8c0@Vortexvoid> From: "RSVP" To: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 04:55:00 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: HP pavilion zx5020EA X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:52:29 -0000 Any chance to install freebsd on this laptop? From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 18:37:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3611E16A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from krusty.eaglequest.com (krusty.eaglequest.com [209.103.128.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C47F43D49 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:37:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jjy@eaglequest.com) Received: (qmail 91696 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 03:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eaglequest.com) (216.234.125.10) by krusty.eaglequest.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 03:06:49 -0000 Message-ID: <406B814C.2020408@eaglequest.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:41:16 -0500 From: James User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: XFree86@XFree86.org Subject: FreeBSD 5.2.1 and XFree86-4.x ati driver lockup problem -- Solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:37:37 -0000 To the FreeBSD team, I struggled with this one for quite a while before figuring it out, so here goes... I had been using FreeBSD 4x for quite some time on my Compaq Presario 1800. And, XFree86-3.6x worked nicely with the laptop's ATI Rage Mobility graphics chip. Unfortunately, the FreeBSD 4x branch didn't support the Atheros chipsets in some of the newer networking cards like the Netgear WG511, so I upgraded to FreeBSD 5.2.1. After that, I couldn't get XFree86-4x to work reliably with my laptop. It turned out that the X instability, which included complete system lockup, was caused by the ACPI module being loaded upon boot-up. Sometimes the Xserver would start-up sometimes not. Also, there was a guaranteed system lockup if you exited Xwindows and then re-entered Xwindows at a later time. In other words, you only got one Xsession per boot! So, after trying all sorts of things in XF86Config, and upgrading to XFree86-4.4 from XFree86-4.3 it turned out that all I needed to do was add the following line to my /boot/device.hints file... hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" After that everything worked great! Xwindows is stable, and my new Netgear WG511 card is working like a charm. By the way the "beastie" menu incorrectly shows "boot with ACPI enabled" as it's second choice. In actuality it disables ACPI! That's how I first solved the problem -- by booting with beastie-menue item "2" selected, finding Xwindows working correctly for a change, and then doing a kldstat to find that the acpi.ko kernel module wasn't loaded. Best regards, and thanks for the great operating system! Jim Yuzwalk From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 19:07:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F63516A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from freeman.4gh.net (wbar4.wdc2-4.16.193.183.wdc2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net [4.16.193.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007AE43D1D for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:07:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sab-spire@4gh.net) Received: from localhost (stuartb@localhost) by freeman.4gh.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i3137ou4029601 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:07:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sab-spire@4gh.net) Message-Id: <200404010307.i3137ou4029601@freeman.4gh.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:07:50 -0500 (EST) From: Stuart Barkley To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040331135633.67DC35D07@ptavv.es.net> References: <20040331135633.67DC35D07@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:07:51 -0000 On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Kevin Oberman wrote: > Before going with a Toshiba, be sure to try the keyboard. I know of > several people who have ditched Tecra's and I rejected them because > of the keyboards. They often require special X hacks to avoid > double-striking due to the excessive bouncing. I agree with this. I've never had the double-striking problem, but the misplaced ~/` key drives me crazy. The position of the cursor keys and page up/down keys may also be of importance to some people. The keyboard is now the first thing I look at with new laptops (my current Toshiba is starting to show its age). The second thing is the "line in" jack which is now missing from most current models. A real serial port would be the next thing. Question: What laptops have usable middle-button pointing devices? The emulate 3rd button option (using left+right) is a real pain on my touchpad (and most other two button devices I've used). I hate mice and touchpads and I've never really used a trackball or trackpoint system. I prefer operating systems and applications which don't require the use of such things and can be controlled completely from the keyboard. Can anyone suggest a machine which works with FreeBSD and has: - "proper" keyboard (almost anything except Toshiba) - line in port (2 channel line level input) - serial port - 3 button pointing device (touchpad preferred) - CD-RW/DVD drive - USB (2.0 desired) - Ethernet/modem desirable but not required - 20-30GB disk Other than USB 2.0, I'm thinking an older/refurbished system could be what I want. Stuart Barkley -- http://www.4gh.net/tudor/resume.html From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 19:50:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9564B16A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797DD43D3F for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:50:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:brdavis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i313orQF025799; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:50:53 -0800 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.3/Submit) id i313orwk025798; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:50:53 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:50:53 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: James Message-ID: <20040401035053.GA24389@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <406B814C.2020408@eaglequest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <406B814C.2020408@eaglequest.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.2.1 and XFree86-4.x ati driver lockup problem -- Solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:50:59 -0000 --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 09:41:16PM -0500, James wrote: > To the FreeBSD team, >=20 > I struggled with this one for quite a while before figuring it out, so=20 > here goes... >=20 > I had been using FreeBSD 4x for quite some time on my Compaq Presario=20 > 1800. And, XFree86-3.6x worked nicely with the laptop's ATI Rage=20 > Mobility graphics chip. Unfortunately, the FreeBSD 4x branch didn't=20 > support the Atheros chipsets in some of the newer networking cards like= =20 > the Netgear WG511, so I upgraded to FreeBSD 5.2.1. > After that, I couldn't get XFree86-4x to work reliably with my laptop. > It turned out that the X instability, which included complete system=20 > lockup, was caused by the ACPI module being loaded upon boot-up.=20 > Sometimes the Xserver would start-up sometimes not. Also, there was a=20 > guaranteed system lockup if you exited Xwindows and then re-entered=20 > Xwindows at a later time. In other words, you only got one Xsession per= =20 > boot! So, after trying all sorts of things in XF86Config, and upgrading= =20 > to XFree86-4.4 from XFree86-4.3 it turned out that all I needed to do=20 > was add the following line to my /boot/device.hints file... >=20 > hint.acpi.0.disabled=3D"1" >=20 > After that everything worked great! Xwindows is stable, and my new=20 > Netgear WG511 card is working like a charm. You might try building a kernel without SMP and apic. That let me use my ATI Rage P/M Mobility reliably and still keep acpi enabled. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAa5GcXY6L6fI4GtQRAnugAJ4ktefb1/b4sYWA/cVDB+9SygY7bQCgiIzm 6R0AVWMn1qfLsPu9/u4rcSw= =hCtC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 00:37:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCE116A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:37:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.newlines.ru (mail.newlines.ru [195.54.211.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA4143D53 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:37:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Received: from mail.newlines.ru (root@localhost) by mail.newlines.ru (8.12.10/8.12.9) with SMTP id i318auOL014273 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:37:11 GMT (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Received: from nikiforov.ru (clusterfw.beeline3G.net [217.118.66.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.newlines.ru (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i318ZcWv013272; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:36:19 GMT (envelope-from anton@nikiforov.ru) Message-ID: <406BD43F.7010407@nikiforov.ru> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:35:11 +0400 From: Anton Nikiforov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040307 X-Accept-Language: ru-ru, ru, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: c widger References: <406ACFCF.5070108@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <406ACFCF.5070108@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090801020109030201050001" cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compaq Presario 2585 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: anton@nikiforov.ru List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:37:35 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090801020109030201050001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Could someone please give me the place to read about what should i do >> because man pages are nt very descriptive. Or maybe someone already >> solved this? > > > I have a Presario 2100 and I found the same problem when I compiled my > foo.asl; it turns out more then a few people have had this problem > with more then a few familys of Unix. I found a working 2100.asl after > some Google searching. The Linux asl will fork with FreeBSD. > Could you please sed it to me or post a URL here? -- Best regads, Anton Nikiforov --------------ms090801020109030201050001 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIII7TCC AtEwggI6oAMCAQICAwvaFTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UE ChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDQwMzA1MjExMjI4WhcNMDUwMzA1MjExMjI4 WjBEMR8wHQYDVQQDExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJh bnRvbkBuaWtpZm9yb3YucnUwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQC1Ps7E cf3xTnaY72Aip/U5HeUmGwQ6QmbCjMcqS3XfO6EsA+5ol526JvhQ1XStpDX/kh8R8MDELUJD SVooXFiDInspw5tmPOlXV1C60xH4VWf5Gh+2y3yDGzHyWBAalul7LbhC1p8zDNUA12pAu4Ry 1k1A0Yepomr8CRbh/Z9JryfJcqHYDL+z1qgLzQlpJsao9E3Zld5ZfgJPORcFoRB7Z6jvqVLh pLNmSrvfDbSw6WK/K9EbZT9zlOTlmOnt4uLBy3hKZMcvkaFrYVYTRXLMegJHFPAp3sxLYef2 iW9fEUKgrs4W7d5c8UWlmiGurVt1Xdzc58W8X3vekMLqu9elAgMBAAGjLzAtMB0GA1UdEQQW MBSBEmFudG9uQG5pa2lmb3Jvdi5ydTAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAA4GB ABINGnCD0TGnBHqGYbJHSwjFfxEsVS1ygSUVIyb0Q1S0SphgUSeRWIZ4+joWR9TzxFGqLtYM TEQvRTQ7VJcugjn2o2nTgQ4EPhze0O5ki2eUWHE9dViHboQWOWI0r1vurUTkDnmloeM8mpMo CAAtXbjyhz7AVKUwI7vULQKuE+imMIIC0TCCAjqgAwIBAgIDC9oVMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUA MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQu MSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQTAeFw0wNDAz MDUyMTEyMjhaFw0wNTAzMDUyMTEyMjhaMEQxHzAdBgNVBAMTFlRoYXd0ZSBGcmVlbWFpbCBN ZW1iZXIxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEmFudG9uQG5pa2lmb3Jvdi5ydTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBALU+zsRx/fFOdpjvYCKn9Tkd5SYbBDpCZsKMxypLdd87oSwD 7miXnbom+FDVdK2kNf+SHxHwwMQtQkNJWihcWIMieynDm2Y86VdXULrTEfhVZ/kaH7bLfIMb MfJYEBqW6XstuELWnzMM1QDXakC7hHLWTUDRh6miavwJFuH9n0mvJ8lyodgMv7PWqAvNCWkm xqj0TdmV3ll+Ak85FwWhEHtnqO+pUuGks2ZKu98NtLDpYr8r0RtlP3OU5OWY6e3i4sHLeEpk xy+RoWthVhNFcsx6AkcU8CnezEth5/aJb18RQqCuzhbt3lzxRaWaIa6tW3Vd3Nznxbxfe96Q wuq716UCAwEAAaMvMC0wHQYDVR0RBBYwFIESYW50b25AbmlraWZvcm92LnJ1MAwGA1UdEwEB /wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAEg0acIPRMacEeoZhskdLCMV/ESxVLXKBJRUjJvRD VLRKmGBRJ5FYhnj6OhZH1PPEUaou1gxMRC9FNDtUly6COfajadOBDgQ+HN7Q7mSLZ5RYcT11 WIduhBY5YjSvW+6tROQOeaWh4zyakygIAC1duPKHPsBUpTAju9QtAq4T6KYwggM/MIICqKAD AgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVy biBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5n MSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtU aGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZy ZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoG A1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHy v1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYkKhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsY Pge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGjgZQwgZEwEgYDVR0T AQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRoYXd0ZS5jb20v VGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0RBCIwIKQe MBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM0VCD 6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZ GwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC 3CEZNd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIDOzCCAzcCAQEwaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMc VGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFs IEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwvaFTAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBpzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMx CwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNDA0MDEwODM1MTFaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJ BDEWBBSgG9WeddQMo2AEYHpUuN6HUI7TGzBSBgkqhkiG9w0BCQ8xRTBDMAoGCCqGSIb3DQMH MA4GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgIAgDANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBQDAHBgUrDgMCBzANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIB KDB4BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxazBpMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29u c3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwg SXNzdWluZyBDQQIDC9oVMHoGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMWugaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMG A1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBl cnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwvaFTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQCHM9m5 YFYKtGJRYbu3oQ+qOKMXA4F+bDDrsJdQHp7ggGzxkbYwcya/ZCYQL6R0TsBhs2ntzLcJrOlo rTLEZ630vkh6Rg0CWOQc1r5TeRbk75ZwY2+UbLU5aiEM/acTLXIDlCSV1Iw4ll1hh5Hdbf25 HHJmfhvvpWbJdcIqqh035wXNBEdJKortThGoaz3W8rdHxnR6beUyWeUVnDkxt7izT0R1an7Z fr5gYpBhtSmw1ipNO5VgHKoGg/XJ5ZN8WPdCDINVP4wBzAhKuJruGvLJZxiP/HmiFUZE1Gqr Nvxan3n4jKuWYawYjbWQojXLWSntC+8bMorXpxECtZj5587WAAAAAAAA --------------ms090801020109030201050001-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 06:56:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FF016A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from tatiana.utanet.at (tatiana.utanet.at [213.90.36.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1230343D49 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from josef@daemon.li) Received: from pam.utanet.at ([213.90.36.6]) by tatiana.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B93cB-0004sg-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:56:19 +0200 Received: from dsl-241-94.utaonline.at ([212.152.241.94] helo=jenny.daemon.li) by pam.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B93cB-0004To-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:56:19 +0200 Received: by jenny.daemon.li (Postfix, from userid 1005) id B80A41375; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:56:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:56:17 +0200 From: Josef El-Rayes To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040401145617.GB1158@jenny.daemon.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="i0/AhcQY5QxfSsSZ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE Subject: 3Com 3CRPAG175 supported by ath driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:56:21 -0000 --i0/AhcQY5QxfSsSZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi! i found the "3Com 3CRPAG175" listed on the ath(4) driver. i remembered someone telling me that 3com cards with XJACK-antennas do not work under freebsd so i am looking for someone who is running this card under freebsd, so i am sure i can order it. greets, josef --=20 Josef El-Rayes (__) Email: josef@daemon.li \\\'',)=20 Web: http://daemon.li/ \/ \ ^ FreeBSD: josef@FreeBSD.org .\._/_) --i0/AhcQY5QxfSsSZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iQEVAwUBQGwtkVnFItmnnbU8AQJIMwf/ccywKA9jipYcUmsfc0NCf5mxiBjLx7d7 0AiSUi3s6+qNJHGdNcOwEQMHY9By0bx4EYvdXaqhkd+iUTxn2rzEm2AN+2drs+g0 3h9bXDl1KhSPtqcv5xezn32BVeyv4CuMlNGtIxjh5JLdTY/cI5W48DmkdvKbHm1B sjtq/gLhaabceu0FlybqJxTyUOLszgYTH2AHcjocIkYZ4+gqlKcQQGH12cMkTHEt DI1Bcl8ivHZYfT+CJIuWEBvlBI8pHZkU2X7wHigtQOdxb4hYzQM3gYWNioHYihGd CbTqsqO3odOa703t/5FVPRezUrN6RsM7/Qwub9WAdkGzBh3r8D1GLA== =sYEL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --i0/AhcQY5QxfSsSZ-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 06:57:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F6F16A4CE; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.newipnet.com (5.Red-80-32-157.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.32.157.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6993B43D2F; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:57:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@newipnet.com) Received: by smtp.newipnet.com (ESMTP Server, from userid 511) id D5A4320519; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:57:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from madre (madre.newipnet.com [192.168.128.4]) by smtp.newipnet.com (ESMTP Server) with ESMTP id A284A204EF; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:56:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <200404011655260767.2C78AA8A@192.168.128.16> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1092 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:55:26 +0200 From: "Carlos Velasco" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on atlas.newipnet.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-104.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: TI1225 and Xircom REMG-100 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:57:31 -0000 Hello, I'm using: FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT-20040324-JPSNAP with NEWCARD in my Dell latitude CPx J750GT laptop. It uses TI PCI-1225 PCMCIA. It fails with pccard Xircom REM56G-100, I have used debug into my kernel but still can't see the problem (Linux & windows work fine). Error messages: CIS is too long -- truncating pccard0: Card has no functions! cbb0: PC Card card activation failed I think problem could be related to these errors, any help would be apreciated: PCI-ISA bridge with incorrect subclass 0x80 PCI-ISA bridge with incorrect subclass 0x80 Snip of dmesg output: FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT-20040324-JPSNAP #4: Thu Apr 1 12:06:06 GMT 2004 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc08a6000. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/acpi.ko" at 0xc08a61a4. -- snip -- pci0: on pcib0 pci0: physical bus=0 map[10]: type 3, range 32, base f4000000, size 26, enabled -- snip -- found-> vendor=0x104c, dev=0xac1c, revid=0x01 bus=0, slot=3, func=0 class=06-07-00, hdrtype=0x02, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0000, statreg=0x0210, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x20 (960 ns), mingnt=0x40 (16000 ns), maxlat=0x07 (1750 ns) intpin=a, irq=255 powerspec 1 supports D0 D1 D2 D3 current D0 found-> vendor=0x104c, dev=0xac1c, revid=0x01 bus=0, slot=3, func=1 class=06-07-00, hdrtype=0x02, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0000, statreg=0x0210, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x20 (960 ns), mingnt=0x40 (16000 ns), maxlat=0x07 (1750 ns) intpin=a, irq=255 powerspec 1 supports D0 D1 D2 D3 current D0 -- snip -- cbb0: at device 3.0 on pci0 cardbus0: on cbb0 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 pcib0: matched entry for 0.3.INTA (src \\_SB_.PCI0.LNKD) pcib0: slot 3 INTA is routed to irq 11 cbb0: [MPSAFE] cbb0: PCI Configuration space: 0x00: 0xac1c104c 0x02100007 0x06070001 0x00822008 0x10: 0x88000000 0x020000a0 0x20040400 0xfffff000 0x20: 0x00000000 0xfffff000 0x00000000 0xfffffffc 0x30: 0x00000000 0xfffffffc 0x00000000 0x0740010b 0x40: 0x00bb1028 0x00000001 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x50: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x60: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x70: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x80: 0x2024d021 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x01261222 0x90: 0x6066a6c0 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0xa0: 0x7e210001 0x00800000 0x0000081b 0x00000007 0xb0: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0xc0: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0xd0: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0xe0: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0xf0: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 cbb1: at device 3.1 on pci0 cardbus1: on cbb1 pccard1: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb1 pcib0: matched entry for 0.3.INTA (src \\_SB_.PCI0.LNKD) pcib0: slot 3 INTA is routed to irq 11 cbb1: [MPSAFE] cbb1: PCI Configuration space: 0x00: 0xac1c104c 0x02100007 0x06070001 0x00822008 0x10: 0x88001000 0x020000a0 0x20050500 0xfffff000 0x20: 0x00000000 0xfffff000 0x00000000 0xfffffffc 0x30: 0x00000000 0xfffffffc 0x00000000 0x0740010b 0x40: 0x00bb1028 0x00000001 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x50: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x60: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x70: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x80: 0x2024d021 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x01261222 0x90: 0x6066a6c0 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0xa0: 0x7e210001 0x00800000 0x0000081b 0x00000007 0xb0: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0xc0: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0xd0: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0xe0: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0xf0: 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 PCI-ISA bridge with incorrect subclass 0x80 PCI-ISA bridge with incorrect subclass 0x80 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 -- snip -- CIS is too long -- truncating pccard0: Card has no functions! cbb0: PC Card card activation failed Regards, Carlos Velasco From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 07:36:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACBB16A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [66.111.41.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD9143D1D for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:36:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 342E6E29; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3299DE27; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:36:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: David Gilbert In-Reply-To: <16491.12742.928696.205559@canoe.dclg.ca> Message-ID: <20040401072434.S6723-100000@moo.sysabend.org> X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Pete Carss cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:36:09 -0000 On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, David Gilbert wrote: > I've been using a Dell Latitude D800 for some time now. As laptops > go, it's on the fairly high end. It's a Centrino 1.7Ghz with a 60G > drive and 1G of memory. Most spectacularly, it has a nvidia chipset > supporting a 1920x1200 screen.... which makes for excellent movie > watching. I also got the DVD+RW drive. Have you tried using it via the USB cable? The floppy drive causes a panic; haven't tried the DVD/CDRW via USB. I do know the machine won't boot off the floppy drive, even with the BIOS set to allow for it, but that's an issue me and my Dell rep. are going to discuss. > One interesting point for the Dell is that it includes both a touchpad > and the little joystick... so you can have your cake and eat it too. I don't like either personally, and just keep a USB MS Notebook Optical Mouse in my bag. Logitech makes a nice small optical USB mouse with a short cord as well, but Best Buy didn't have them in stock when I picked this one up. > The ACPI isn't stellar. Suspend isn't working yet (although it's been > awhile since I worked on it). I have some patches for the DSDT that > make it work better. The USB also only works in 1.1 mode, not 2.0. EHCI works fine for me on my D800. I had to strip it out of the kernel in order to boot in the D/Port, as ehci would panic when probing the hub built into the dock (but last I heard, this was expected, as ehci didn't support hubs yet, has that changed?). > But the nvidia hardware drivers run well and 3D performance is pretty > slick. I currently use it as both a desktop replacement and a > portable unit to use on the train. It's a little heavy, but I don't > think that can be avoided with all the features I have. The nvidia driver doesn't work in OGL for me with recent -C (my last CVSup was Monday, but it hasn't worked since libmap.conf became necessary for it to even load). Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 07:52:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F90316A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB9F43D39 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:52:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from c.widger@comcast.net) Received: from comcast.net (c-24-5-158-1.client.comcast.net[24.5.158.1]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004040115521701100ccapue> (Authid: c.widger); Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:52:17 +0000 Message-ID: <406BCD88.20705@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 00:06:32 -0800 From: c widger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040218 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <406ACFCF.5070108@comcast.net> <406BD43F.7010407@nikiforov.ru> In-Reply-To: <406BD43F.7010407@nikiforov.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Compaq Presario 2585 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:52:18 -0000 Anton Nikiforov wrote: > >>> Could someone please give me the place to read about what should i >>> do because man pages are nt very descriptive. Or maybe someone >>> already solved this? >> >> >> >> I have a Presario 2100 and I found the same problem when I compiled >> my foo.asl; it turns out more then a few people have had this problem >> with more then a few familys of Unix. I found a working 2100.asl >> after some Google searching. The Linux asl will fork with FreeBSD. >> > Could you please sed it to me or post a URL here? > I found one here for the 2100: http://abaababa.ouvaton.org/presario/ I still haven't been able to use my wireless card with ACPI enabled. My Linksys WPC-11 is detected and the driver loads but there is a problem with association, the radio won't send a signal out. This is a strange accurance. I have done everything I can think of: #ifconfig wi0 up ssid my_ssid mode 11b -powersave channel 10 I have no problem with my wireless cards when I turn ACPI off, so that's what I've been doing. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 08:34:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFC516A4D0 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sizone.org (mortar.sizone.org [65.126.154.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0365443D2D for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:34:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by sizone.org (Postfix, from userid 66) id B51A031067; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 469141D2271; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:09 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16492.17537.88046.18340@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:09 -0500 To: Jamie Bowden In-Reply-To: <20040401072434.S6723-100000@moo.sysabend.org> References: <16491.12742.928696.205559@canoe.dclg.ca> <20040401072434.S6723-100000@moo.sysabend.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 14) "Reasonable Discussion" XEmacs Lucid cc: dell-d800@eicat.ca cc: Pete Carss cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org cc: David Gilbert Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:34:15 -0000 >>>>> "Jamie" == Jamie Bowden writes: Jamie> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, David Gilbert wrote: >> I've been using a Dell Latitude D800 for some time now. As laptops >> go, it's on the fairly high end. It's a Centrino 1.7Ghz with a 60G >> drive and 1G of memory. Most spectacularly, it has a nvidia >> chipset supporting a 1920x1200 screen.... which makes for excellent >> movie watching. I also got the DVD+RW drive. Jamie> Have you tried using it via the USB cable? The floppy drive Jamie> causes a panic; haven't tried the DVD/CDRW via USB. I do know Jamie> the machine won't boot off the floppy drive, even with the BIOS Jamie> set to allow for it, but that's an issue me and my Dell Jamie> rep. are going to discuss. I have used both the floppy and the cdrom over the USB. They work fine as long as you don't have 'ehci' in your kernel. >> One interesting point for the Dell is that it includes both a >> touchpad and the little joystick... so you can have your cake and >> eat it too. Jamie> I don't like either personally, and just keep a USB MS Notebook Jamie> Optical Mouse in my bag. Logitech makes a nice small optical Jamie> USB mouse with a short cord as well, but Best Buy didn't have Jamie> them in stock when I picked this one up. 'Labtec' has an even better solution. It's a wireless mouse with a small dongle that plugs into the USB port. When not in use, the dongle tucks into the mouse for storage. >> The ACPI isn't stellar. Suspend isn't working yet (although it's >> been awhile since I worked on it). I have some patches for the >> DSDT that make it work better. The USB also only works in 1.1 >> mode, not 2.0. Jamie> EHCI works fine for me on my D800. I had to strip it out of Jamie> the kernel in order to boot in the D/Port, as ehci would panic Jamie> when probing the hub built into the dock (but last I heard, Jamie> this was expected, as ehci didn't support hubs yet, has that Jamie> changed?). I have not found a USB2.0 device that works with my D800 yet. EHCI can be in the kernel ... and 1.1 devices will work ... but EHCI devices (like a CD or floppy) halt the EHCI controller. If you boot with an EHCI device plugged in, you crash or hang (depends). If you plug in an EHCI device after boot, it simply halts the EHCI controller. There is a PR on this. >> But the nvidia hardware drivers run well and 3D performance is >> pretty slick. I currently use it as both a desktop replacement and >> a portable unit to use on the train. It's a little heavy, but I >> don't think that can be avoided with all the features I have. Jamie> The nvidia driver doesn't work in OGL for me with recent -C (my Jamie> last CVSup was Monday, but it hasn't worked since libmap.conf Jamie> became necessary for it to even load). You have to do the opposite thing to make the nvidia driver work ... you need to map everything to libc_r.so rather than everything to libpthread. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 13:20:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7310016A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from web14201.mail.yahoo.com (web14201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DEEB43D3F for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:20:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from soncara@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040401212035.15552.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.218.86.234] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:20:35 PST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:20:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jesse Hess To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: DSDT was overridden by host OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:20:35 -0000 Hello List. Having a problem with my laptop (a Gateway 400sd4) and ACPI. Trying to load a custom DSDT.aml and its getting overridden. My dmesg output: ... FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE #0 ... Preloaded acpi_dsdt "/boot/DSDT.aml" at 0xc0a613f4. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/acpi.ko" at 0xc0a61438. ... ACPI: DSDT was overridden. ACPI-0375: *** Info: Table [DSDT] replaced by host OS I have more details about this install at: http://ravenmore.com/gnawededges/pc/freebsd.html and my modified DSDT code is here: http://ravenmore.com/gnawededges/pc/my_gateway400sd4.asl How do I get FreeBSD to load my modified DSDT without being overridden? Any suggestions welcome. Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 14:06:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A57E16A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.pacifier.net (smtp2.pacifier.net [64.255.237.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1071243D1D for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:06:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charles@coppersoftware.com) Received: from COPPERMAWXP (ip168.gte250.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.250.168]) by smtp2.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AA86F175 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:06:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Charles Oppermann" To: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:06:58 -0800 Organization: Copper Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2096 In-Reply-To: <200404010307.i3137ou4029601@freeman.4gh.net> Thread-Index: AcQXmBDy7n4dvpolRe6d8IU6mcqL1QAlOaYQ Message-Id: <20040401220658.45AA86F175@smtp2.pacifier.net> Subject: RE: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:06:59 -0000 >> Question: What laptops have usable middle-button pointing devices? The emulate 3rd button option (using left+right) is a real pain on my touchpad (and most other two button devices I've used). << Most ThinkPad's have a nice middle mouse button that I use in Windows for scrolling. I haven't configured X to use it yet however, so I can't say for certain that it'll work. Charles Oppermann, charles@coppersoftware.com, http://weblogs.asp.net/chuckop/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 17:53:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D7F16A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from krusty.eaglequest.com (krusty.eaglequest.com [209.103.128.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B495B43D46 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:53:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jjy@eaglequest.com) Received: (qmail 71621 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 02:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eaglequest.com) (216.234.125.146) by krusty.eaglequest.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 02:23:12 -0000 Message-ID: <406CC893.7040000@eaglequest.com> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:57:39 -0500 From: Jim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brooks Davis References: <406B814C.2020408@eaglequest.com> <20040401035053.GA24389@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.2.1 and XFree86-4.x ati driver lockup problem -- Solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:53:57 -0000 Brooks, Thanks for the tip. I recompiled my kernel and X is working just fine with acpi enabled. Hopefully my little adventure helps others... Best regards, Jim Brooks Davis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 09:41:16PM -0500, James wrote: > >>To the FreeBSD team, >> >>I struggled with this one for quite a while before figuring it out, so >>here goes... >> >>I had been using FreeBSD 4x for quite some time on my Compaq Presario >>1800. And, XFree86-3.6x worked nicely with the laptop's ATI Rage >>Mobility graphics chip. Unfortunately, the FreeBSD 4x branch didn't >>support the Atheros chipsets in some of the newer networking cards like >>the Netgear WG511, so I upgraded to FreeBSD 5.2.1. >>After that, I couldn't get XFree86-4x to work reliably with my laptop. >>It turned out that the X instability, which included complete system >>lockup, was caused by the ACPI module being loaded upon boot-up. >>Sometimes the Xserver would start-up sometimes not. Also, there was a >>guaranteed system lockup if you exited Xwindows and then re-entered >>Xwindows at a later time. In other words, you only got one Xsession per >>boot! So, after trying all sorts of things in XF86Config, and upgrading >> to XFree86-4.4 from XFree86-4.3 it turned out that all I needed to do >>was add the following line to my /boot/device.hints file... >> >> hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" >> >>After that everything worked great! Xwindows is stable, and my new >>Netgear WG511 card is working like a charm. > > > You might try building a kernel without SMP and apic. That let me use > my ATI Rage P/M Mobility reliably and still keep acpi enabled. > > -- Brooks > From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 06:10:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6243916A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:10:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailstaff.cyber.mmu.edu.my (mailstaff.mmu.edu.my [203.106.62.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF6943D48 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:10:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nawfal@mmu.edu.my) Received: from kav.cyber.mmu.edu.my (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailstaff.cyber.mmu.edu.my (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE803218D; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:08:28 +0800 (MYT) Received: from kav.cyber.mmu.edu.my (localhost.cyber.mmu.edu.my [127.0.0.1]) by kav.cyber.mmu.edu.my (Postfix) with SMTP id 325DF95863; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:13:01 +0800 (MYT) Received: from lunar.cyber.mmu.edu.my (lunar.cyber.mmu.edu.my [10.100.3.5]) by kav.cyber.mmu.edu.my (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171D19585F; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:13:01 +0800 (MYT) Received: from [10.100.11.78] (opal.cyber.mmu.edu.my [10.100.11.78]) by lunar.cyber.mmu.edu.my (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD833E585; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:08:50 +0800 (SGT) From: Nawfal bin Mohmad Rouyan To: Charles Oppermann In-Reply-To: <20040401220658.45AA86F175@smtp2.pacifier.net> References: <20040401220658.45AA86F175@smtp2.pacifier.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Multimedia University Message-Id: <1080915001.9661.3.camel@opal.cyber.mmu.edu.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:10:02 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: RE: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: nawfal@mmu.edu.my List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:10:21 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 06:06, Charles Oppermann wrote: > Most ThinkPad's have a nice middle mouse button that I use in Windows for > scrolling. I haven't configured X to use it yet however, so I can't say for > certain that it'll work. It works, I posted the configuration in this mailing list a while back. You can search the archive if you want to try it. -- Nawfal bin Mohmad Rouyan Multimedia University From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 07:19:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0A116A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sizone.org (mortar.sizone.org [65.126.154.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B355D43D3F for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:19:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by sizone.org (Postfix, from userid 66) id BC17E3107F; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id E73BC1D2866; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:39:33 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16492.57461.107493.406430@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:39:33 -0500 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, dell-d800@eicat.ca X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 14) "Reasonable Discussion" XEmacs Lucid Subject: Dell Inspiron 1100 upgrade to current breaks 845 patch X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:19:31 -0000 I was just upgrading a friend's inspiron 1100 laptop to -CURRENT to get vmware working and this upgrade broke the 845patch program that is used to make the video memory allocation work. The 845patch program complains that it can't mmap /dev/zero (which is an odd thing to say). Has anyone else run into this and figured a cure? Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 07:25:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CA916A4CE; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.newipnet.com (5.Red-80-32-157.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.32.157.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6700643D1F; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:25:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@newipnet.com) Received: by smtp.newipnet.com (ESMTP Server, from userid 511) id 6EDD4204DB; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:25:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from madre (madre.newipnet.com [192.168.128.4]) by smtp.newipnet.com (ESMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7866A204FC; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:25:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <200404021724400672.31B8DBC9@192.168.128.16> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1092 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:24:40 +0200 From: "Carlos Velasco" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on atlas.newipnet.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-104.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=2.63 cc: shibagaki.takeshi@renesas.com cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: [patch] Xircom REM56G-100 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:25:55 -0000 Hello, Here's a patch for Xircom Ethernet cards REM56G and I think CEM56 to work (Realports). There's a problem in the current driver that prevent these cards to work failing with errors: xe0: Cannot allocate ioport device_probe_and_attach: xe0 attach returned 12 It fails in OLDCARD and NEWCARD, as the problem is in the driver. Problem is related to a simple error in a for. --- xe/if_xe_pccard.c Fri Apr 2 17:13:37 2004 +++ xenew/if_xe_pccard.c Fri Apr 2 17:14:52 2004 @@ -271,7 +271,7 @@ scp->card_type = card_itm->card_type_desc; if (card_itm->prod_type & XE_PROD_MODEM_UMASK) scp->modem = 1; - for(i=1; i!=XE_CARD_TYPE_FLAGS_DINGO; i=i<<1) { + for(i=1; i<=XE_CARD_TYPE_FLAGS_DINGO; i=i<<1) { switch(i & card_itm->flags) { case XE_CARD_TYPE_FLAGS_CE2: scp->ce2 = 1; break; Regards, Carlos Velasco From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 08:38:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E061816A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal1.es.net [198.128.3.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42B143D1D for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal1.es.net (Postal Node 1) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:38:06 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 8582D5D07; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:38:05 -0800 (PST) To: "Charles Oppermann" In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:06:58 PST." <20040401220658.45AA86F175@smtp2.pacifier.net> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:38:05 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20040402163805.8582D5D07@ptavv.es.net> cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:38:07 -0000 > From: "Charles Oppermann" > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:06:58 -0800 > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > >> > Question: What laptops have usable middle-button pointing devices? The > emulate 3rd button option (using left+right) is a real pain on my > touchpad (and most other two button devices I've used). > << > > Most ThinkPad's have a nice middle mouse button that I use in Windows for > scrolling. I haven't configured X to use it yet however, so I can't say for > certain that it'll work. Works fine with the TrackPoint, but only if the touchpad is disabled. You need to disable the touchpad in BIOS and then it's fine. (Of course, this does not help much if you use the touchpad.) Models that have three buttons and don't have a touchpad work fine with three buttons. Really old models lacking three buttons don't have a working middle button. :-) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 09:21:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A559E16A4F6 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [130.64.1.215]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5658B43D2F for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:21:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 1B9SLk-0007fD-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:21:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:21:00 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040402172100.GA24670@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <200404010307.i3137ou4029601@freeman.4gh.net> <20040401220658.45AA86F175@smtp2.pacifier.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040401220658.45AA86F175@smtp2.pacifier.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Subject: Re: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:21:01 -0000 Charles Oppermann probably said: > Most ThinkPad's have a nice middle mouse button that I use in Windows for > scrolling. I haven't configured X to use it yet however, so I can't say for > certain that it'll work. I use the middle mouse button on my thinkpad as a middle mouse button under X, doesn't need any configuration beyond making sure you tell moused and/or X that you have a 3 button mouse. P. -- pir From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 10:12:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7628716A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B98C43D46 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:12:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from xeon (xeon.unixathome.org [192.168.0.18]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30A03D31; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:12:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:12:31 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille X-X-Sender: dan@xeon.unixathome.org To: Nawfal bin Mohmad Rouyan In-Reply-To: <1080915001.9661.3.camel@opal.cyber.mmu.edu.my> Message-ID: <20040402131209.N8697@xeon.unixathome.org> References: <20040401220658.45AA86F175@smtp2.pacifier.net> <1080915001.9661.3.camel@opal.cyber.mmu.edu.my> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org cc: Charles Oppermann Subject: RE: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:12:33 -0000 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Nawfal bin Mohmad Rouyan wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 06:06, Charles Oppermann wrote: > > Most ThinkPad's have a nice middle mouse button that I use in Windows for > > scrolling. I haven't configured X to use it yet however, so I can't say for > > certain that it'll work. > > It works, I posted the configuration in this mailing list a while back. > You can search the archive if you want to try it. Could you give us more hints than that. I just tried to find it and failed. -- Dan Langille - BSDCan: http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 13:01:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE5C16A4CE; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F5E43D1D; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:01:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@fishballoon.org) Received: from llama.fishballoon.org ([81.104.195.124]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.comESMTP <20040402195840.THRO13626.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@llama.fishballoon.org>; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:58:40 +0100 Received: from scott by llama.fishballoon.org with local (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1B9UoE-00068y-Vg; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:58:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:58:34 +0100 From: Scott Mitchell To: Carlos Velasco Message-ID: <20040402195834.GA8157@llama.fishballoon.org> References: <200404021724400672.31B8DBC9@192.168.128.16> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200404021724400672.31B8DBC9@192.168.128.16> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p4 i386 Sender: Scott Mitchell cc: shibagaki.takeshi@renesas.com cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [patch] Xircom REM56G-100 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:01:02 -0000 On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 05:24:40PM +0200, Carlos Velasco wrote: > Hello, > > Here's a patch for Xircom Ethernet cards REM56G and I think CEM56 to work > (Realports). Hi Carlos, Thanks for this -- I think I have everything but a CEM56/REM56 here for testing, so I would never have spotted this one myself. I have patches here for the same file that fix probing of various cards (there were some that worked with OLDCARD but not NEWCARD, and vice-versa). These should cover the case you've found as well, but I'll check this and try to get something committed asap. Cheers, Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott at fishballoon.org | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 13:49:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279D616A4CE; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp10.hccnet.nl (smtp10.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1D043D49; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:49:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from d.wylie@hccnet.nl) Received: from upsilon by smtp10.hccnet.nl via fia142-13-100.dsl.hccnet.nl [80.100.13.142] with ESMTP id i32LnsfW027999 (8.12.10/2.04); Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:49:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Dylan Wylie" To: Josef El-Rayes , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:46:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <406DFB71.23801.DCC594@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20040401145617.GB1158@jenny.daemon.li> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.11) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: 3Com 3CRPAG175 supported by ath driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:49:57 -0000 Hi there Josef, That card works fine for me under -CURRENT with the ath driver. I have only one issue, but I can't imagine that it is related to the 3com card itself: Though I get the card to associate with the acces point with WEP enabled, no data seems to get through. With WEP dissabled all is well. I posted this as a question some time back, but had no reponse. It may have something to do the open/shared key stuff, in which case it may verywell be the acces point which is acting-up. I still have to try another AP to narrow it down. This is a bit off-topic though. About the XJACK thing, I think it is just the response of the system to the mechanical switch when the push-in the antena which has been questioned. I haven't tried that to see what happens recently. I'll try it to see what happens within the next couple of days, when I get my hands on it. I can assure you therefor, the card works fine with the ath driver. It's just the switch in the antena which, at worst, doesn't get through. I could imagine at some point it may get tied in with the power control stuff in ath. Maybe it is already? Or maybe the card is simply reported removed? I'll try. grtz, Dylan On 1 Apr 2004 at 16:56, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > hi! > > i found the "3Com 3CRPAG175" listed on the > ath(4) driver. i remembered someone telling > me that 3com cards with XJACK-antennas do not > work under freebsd so i am > looking for someone who is running this card > under freebsd, so i am sure i can order it. > > > greets, josef > -- > Josef El-Rayes (__) > Email: josef@daemon.li \\\'',) > Web: http://daemon.li/ \/ \ ^ > FreeBSD: josef@FreeBSD.org .\._/_) > From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 20:13:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE9716A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from krusty.eaglequest.com (krusty.eaglequest.com [209.103.128.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CBA2B43D31 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:13:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jjy@eaglequest.com) Received: (qmail 58795 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2004 04:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eaglequest.com) (216.234.126.123) by krusty.eaglequest.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2004 04:43:08 -0000 Message-ID: <406E3ADF.6070303@eaglequest.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:17:35 -0500 From: James User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: marella@cox.net References: <20040401203258.UNEK2428.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20040401203258.UNEK2428.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbie@freebsd.org cc: xfree86@xfree86.org cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [XFree86] FreeBSD 5.2.1 and XFree86-4.x ati driver lockupproblem -- Solutio X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 04:13:52 -0000 Robert, Thanks for the kind words. I fooled around with my laptop for many hours, after work, but to no avail. I checked the mail archives on FreeBSD and XFree86 but no help. Finally I figured out a work around, so I figured other folks might be interested. Especially considering how long it took me to get the thing working. It was frustrating to say the least, and I've been using FreeBSD for over ten years! It's embarrassing admitting that -- oh well, such is life. By the way, Brooks Davis also responded to my email, and he advised that recompiling the FreeBSD kernel with SMP and apic disabled will also fix the problem. I tested it, and he was absolutely right on. If you do this you can have acpi enabled and Xwindows will be stable. Best regards, Jim marella@cox.net wrote: > Aloha James, > A big mahalo from me in Kona. I also have been struggling with an ATI Rage video driver. I have attached my email to XFree86 to show the similarity. This was actually my second email to try to resolve this problem. I received no responses from my first email. > > The device.hints insertion fixed my problem. I am now able to use FReeBSD on my system. > > Thanks again for paying attention and posting the fix. I know how difficult it is when you are wrestling with a problem to forget what you just did that fixed it. > > Robert > > On March 31, 2004 James wrote: > >>Subject: [XFree86] FreeBSD 5.2.1 and XFree86-4.x ati driver lockup problem -- Solution > > >>To the FreeBSD team, >> >>I struggled with this one for quite a while before figuring it out, so >>here goes... >> >>I had been using FreeBSD 4x for quite some time on my Compaq Presario >>1800. And, XFree86-3.6x worked nicely with the laptop's ATI Rage >>Mobility graphics chip. Unfortunately, the FreeBSD 4x branch didn't >>support the Atheros chipsets in some of the newer networking cards like >>the Netgear WG511, so I upgraded to FreeBSD 5.2.1. >>After that, I couldn't get XFree86-4x to work reliably with my laptop. >>It turned out that the X instability, which included complete system >>lockup, was caused by the ACPI module being loaded upon boot-up. >>Sometimes the Xserver would start-up sometimes not. Also, there was a >>guaranteed system lockup if you exited Xwindows and then re-entered >>Xwindows at a later time. In other words, you only got one Xsession per >>boot! So, after trying all sorts of things in XF86Config, and upgrading >> to XFree86-4.4 from XFree86-4.3 it turned out that all I needed to do >>was add the following line to my /boot/device.hints file... >> >> hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" >> >>After that everything worked great! Xwindows is stable, and my new >>Netgear WG511 card is working like a charm. >> >>By the way the "beastie" menu incorrectly shows "boot with ACPI enabled" >>as it's second choice. In actuality it disables ACPI! That's how I >>first solved the problem -- by booting with beastie-menue item "2" >>selected, finding Xwindows working correctly for a change, and then >>doing a kldstat to find that the acpi.ko kernel module wasn't loaded. >> >> >>Best regards, and thanks for the great operating system! >> >> >>Jim Yuzwalk >> > > My email: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Hello > > I have a system that i've loaded FreeBSD on. I am currently running 5.2.1 but > it also failed on 5.2-rc. > > I have xfree86 version 4.4.0 installed but it also failed on 4.3. > > It is an older system with a KU440EX mother board with a celeron 266MHz > processor and 128MB ram. The onboard video driver is an ATI Rage IIC > Controller. > > I do a: > "XFree86 -configure" and I get a XF86Config.new file. When I try to test with > "XFree86 -xf86config /root/XF86Config.new" the system starts to run and I get > the start of the log screen and then all systems stop. No keyboard response or > anything. "Ctl-Alt-Del" does nothing. I have to powerdown reboot. > > When the system comes back up the XFree86.0.log has not been updated so I don't > know what failed. I have tried remaking out the module loads one at a time > without success (sort of). > > Every once in a while it will go to the test screen and all will look fine. > I'll exit with Ctl-Alt-Bkspc and the exit is fine. If I try to do a retest > without changing anything, it always fails. > > Now, here's the weird part, I can install Slackware 9.1 on the system, on the > same partition and it works. The XF86Config file is exactly the same as the one > from FReeBSD. > > Attached are the Xf86Config.new, XFree86.0.log and the output of dmesg as dmesg. > txt. I hope someone can point me in the right direction. > > Please cc your answer to my email. > > Thank you > > Robert From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 20:34:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B9216A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailstaff.cyber.mmu.edu.my (mailstaff.mmu.edu.my [203.106.62.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1C043D41 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nawfal@mmu.edu.my) Received: from kav.cyber.mmu.edu.my (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailstaff.cyber.mmu.edu.my (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CAB31C2F; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:32:23 +0800 (MYT) Received: from kav.cyber.mmu.edu.my (localhost.cyber.mmu.edu.my [127.0.0.1]) by kav.cyber.mmu.edu.my (Postfix) with SMTP id BA914958D9; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:36:56 +0800 (MYT) Received: from lunar.cyber.mmu.edu.my (lunar.cyber.mmu.edu.my [10.100.3.5]) by kav.cyber.mmu.edu.my (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512649587E; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:34:48 +0800 (MYT) Received: from [10.100.11.78] (opal.cyber.mmu.edu.my [10.100.11.78]) by lunar.cyber.mmu.edu.my (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D8E3E585; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:30:37 +0800 (SGT) From: Nawfal bin Mohmad Rouyan To: Dan Langille In-Reply-To: <20040402131209.N8697@xeon.unixathome.org> References: <20040401220658.45AA86F175@smtp2.pacifier.net> <1080915001.9661.3.camel@opal.cyber.mmu.edu.my> <20040402131209.N8697@xeon.unixathome.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Multimedia University Message-Id: <1080966708.12310.1.camel@opal.cyber.mmu.edu.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:31:48 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org cc: Charles Oppermann Subject: RE: The Best Laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: nawfal@mmu.edu.my List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 04:34:03 -0000 Hi, On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 02:12, Dan Langille wrote: > > It works, I posted the configuration in this mailing list a while back. > > You can search the archive if you want to try it. > > Could you give us more hints than that. I just tried to find it and > failed. Sorry, here is the link: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2003-May/000717.html Thank you. -- Nawfal bin Mohmad Rouyan Multimedia University From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 3 06:21:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A086E16A4D0; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 06:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from coruscant.rfc1149.org (coruscant.rfc1149.org [217.160.130.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C23B43D54; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 06:21:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arne@rfc2549.org) Received: by coruscant.rfc1149.org (Postfix, from userid 110) id EECEC3CF5; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:20:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kamino.rfc1149.org (kamino.rfc1149.org [2001:8d8:81:11::2]) by coruscant.rfc1149.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB353CE0; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:20:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by kamino.rfc1149.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 75C6C14; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:20:53 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: Arne Schwabe Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:20:53 +0200 Message-ID: <86brm9b0sa.fsf@kamino.rfc1149.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on coruscant.rfc1149.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: cc: petero2@telia.com Subject: Synaptics Driver Patch (new Version) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 14:21:14 -0000 Hi, some Months ago I posted a very hacky synaptics driver patch. Here is a new Version: It is still not perfect, but since it will be almost perfect (I hope) for some people I posting this. - Dectecting and setup of the Synaptics touchpad works - Touchpad with moused works - the Trackpoint with the moused (Are there any other combinations?) does not work, since I did implement the parsing of the Guest yet (But should be very easy, see the comment in psm.c) - The XFree86 Synaptics Driver fully works, Touchpad and Trackpoint - Parts of psm.c touchpad parsing are from Marcin Dalecki patch - The Synaptics Driver should still work with this patches under Linux but I could not test it :( You should only have to remove the two little Changes to the Makefile In Ordner to use the XFree86 driver you have to disable moused :/ Howto: download http://www.plaisthos.de/freebsd/synaptics.kern.patch patch your kernel with it cd /usr/src/sys patch -p1 < /path/to/synaptics.kern.patch compile and install the kernel make installworld or simply cp /usr/src/sys/sys/mosue.h to /usr/include/sys download http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/files/synaptics-0.12.5.tar.bz2 extract it (tar xfvj synatpics-0.12.5.tar.bz2) Apply http://www.plaisthos.de/freebsd/synaptics.driver.patch cd synatpics-0.12.5 patch -p1 < /path/to/synaptics.driver.patch gmake synaptics_drv.o I don't know if gmake install works but cp synaptics_drv.o /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/synaptics_drv.o works :) Edit your XF86Config Change your Mouse Section to: Section "InputDevice" Driver "synaptics" Identifier "synaptics" Option "Device" "/dev/bpsm0" Option "Protocol" "psaux" Option "LeftEdge" "1900" Option "RightEdge" "5400" Option "TopEdge" "1900" Option "BottomEdge" "4000" Option "FingerLow" "25" Option "FingerHigh" "30" Option "MaxTapTime" "180" Option "MaxTapMove" "220" Option "VertScrollDelta" "100" Option "MinSpeed" "0.02" Option "MaxSpeed" "0.18" Option "AccelFactor" "0.0006" Option "SHMConfig" "on" # Option "Repeater" "/dev/ps2mouse" EndSection And make sure that in you ServerLayout Section you change Mouse1 or whatever to: InputDevice "synaptics" "CorePointer" The real reason I am posting this now is because I know that I prbpably to lazy to code the missing parts because the part I wanted to have works good enough (the XFree86 Driver) Arne From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 3 13:32:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0AF16A4CE; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.lambertfam.org (www.lambertfam.org [216.223.208.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EA343D48; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lambertfam.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCAC34D59; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.lambertfam.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (www.lambertfam.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00224-06; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.lambertfam.org (Postfix, from userid 999) id 7B43E34D50; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:32:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:32:26 -0500 From: Scott Lambert To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040403213226.GA588@www.lambertfam.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <86brm9b0sa.fsf@kamino.rfc1149.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86brm9b0sa.fsf@kamino.rfc1149.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at lambertfam.org Subject: Re: Synaptics Driver Patch (new Version) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 21:32:37 -0000 On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 04:20:53PM +0200, Arne Schwabe wrote: > Hi, > > some Months ago I posted a very hacky synaptics driver patch. > > Here is a new Version: > > It is still not perfect, but since it will be almost perfect (I hope) > for some people I posting this. The driver works here. However, and this is purely personal opinion, it makes the touchpad even more annoying by activating the scroll area. That makes it even more difficult to type without wierd things happening when the thumb part of my palm touches the touchpad. I've always hated touchpads. Someone could make some money off me by selling replacements keyboards with trackpoints. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org http://www.lambertfam.org/~lambert/resume.html