From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 03:01:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D26016A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:01:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail2.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE5043D5C for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:01:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Andrew.Li@alcatel.com.au) Received: from sydsmtp02.alcatel.com.au (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])i6C31E3l010743; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:01:14 +1000 Received: from aald03.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.39.13]) by sydsmtp02.alcatel.com.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.12) with ESMTP id 2004071213011346:6070 ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:01:13 +1000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:01:13 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Li X-X-Sender: To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on SYDSMTP02/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 12/07/2004 01:01:13 PM,|February 13, 2003) at 12/07/2004 01:01:14 PM, Serialize complete at 12/07/2004 01:01:14 PM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Andrew Li Subject: How to create MPEG files X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:01:23 -0000 Hi All, I have a set of jpegs and I want to put some animation on it to make it a vcd presentation. I know how to turn jpegs into vcd with ffmpeg and vcdimager, but I want to create some floating text, pop up textbox, etc... using those jpegs and turn it into a movie vcd. Sort of like the vcdimager demo vcd. Can anyone give me some hints or point me where to look please? I'm planning to play the vcd in my friend's wedding, any help is much appreciated. Thanks x 100. Additional info: OS is FreeBSD 4.9 on Celeron 300 128MB RAM Andrew From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 18:44:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7C416A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:44:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (u46n208.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.46.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF2843D1F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:44:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E118933C46; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:44:36 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD39033C16 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:44:36 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:44:36 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040712154424.E20939@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Logitech Trackman - middle button/wheel X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:44:38 -0000 Is there any way of getting X/KDE configured to make use of that as a scroll wheel? I know under Windows, if I'm focus'd on Mozilla, for instance, I can use it to scroll up/down the page ... any way of doing this under Unix too? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 19:01:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD6F16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:01:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail021.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail021.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EE143D3F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:01:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from akm@theinternet.com.au) Received: from theinternet.com.au (c211-30-103-113.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.103.113]) i6CJ1JH12182; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:01:20 +1000 Received: from theinternet.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by theinternet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6CJ0VuT019920; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:00:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from akm@theinternet.com.au) Received: (from akm@localhost) by theinternet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i6CJ0VJk019919; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:00:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from akm) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:00:31 +1000 From: Andrew Milton To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20040712190031.GO64690@camelot.theinternet.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org References: <20040712154424.E20939@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040712154424.E20939@ganymede.hub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logitech Trackman - middle button/wheel X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:01:33 -0000 +-------[ Marc G. Fournier ]---------------------- | | | Is there any way of getting X/KDE configured to make use of that as a | scroll wheel? I know under Windows, if I'm focus'd on Mozilla, for | instance, I can use it to scroll up/down the page ... any way of doing this | under Unix too? Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" Option "Buttons" "5" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection The Buttons, and the ZAxisMapping part is the important part for scroll wheels. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | M:+61 416 022 411 | ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 |akm@theinternet.com.au| Carpe Daemon From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 20:10:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A4916A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:10:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17ADC43D1F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:10:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metal_man@mail.ru) Received: from [217.118.66.254] (port=33726 helo=METALLER) by mx1.mail.ru with smtp id 1Bk78S-0007VO-00; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:10:50 +0400 Message-ID: <000401c4684c$5ac17e90$1d0f14ac@METALLER> From: "Dmitriy Startsev" To: "Andrew Milton" , "Marc G. Fournier" References: <20040712154424.E20939@ganymede.hub.org> <20040712190031.GO64690@camelot.theinternet.com.au> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:10:39 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook 2004 (HL) 6.0.2600.32000 - 17/4/2004 06:54:21 cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logitech Trackman - middle button/wheel X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:10:53 -0000 Hello, Andrew! You wrote to "Marc G. Fournier" on Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:00:31 +1000: AM> +-------[ Marc G. Fournier ]---------------------- ??|> ??|> Is there any way of getting X/KDE configured to make use of that as a ??|> scroll wheel? I know under Windows, if I'm focus'd on Mozilla, for ??|> instance, I can use it to scroll up/down the page ... any way of doing ??|> this under Unix too? AM> Section "InputDevice" AM> Identifier "Mouse0" AM> Driver "mouse" AM> Option "Protocol" "auto" AM> Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" AM> Option "Buttons" "5" AM> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" AM> EndSection AM> The Buttons, and the ZAxisMapping part is the important part for scroll AM> wheels. >From my own experience, KDE has problems with sysmouse. At least for me the only way to enable mouse wheel was to completely disable moused. With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 20:29:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DE716A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:29:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31E9843D53 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:29:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) X-eGroups-Return: giffunip@asme.org Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2004 20:29:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:29:37 -0000 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 63.171.232.247 Subject: Fwd: FreeBSD open() questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:29:40 -0000 This sounds like -multimedia might want to know about too... (sorry for posible media mangling) --- In freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, 4Front Technologies wrote: Hi, We are trying to implement multi-open() in our OSS drivers for FreeBSD. The idea is that all apps keep opening /dev/dsp and internally OSS finds the next available device (/dev/dspNN+1) and returns that device's minor number back to the open routine. What happens is that every read/write/close/ioctl call now uses the new minor number. This works in Solaris and Linux. In Solaris the open routine has an extra parameter that permits giving a new device number that will be used in subsequent read/write/etc calls. Changing this field doesn't affect the way how open works. In Linux struct file has a private field that the driver can use as it likes. We simply store the major/minor number in this field. In the read/write/ioctl/etc routines we read the device number from this field instead of using inode->dev. BSD doesn't have such mechanisms. The dev_t parameter is a "global" one and the same structure is shared by all applications having the same device file opened. If you change anything in this structure then it will affect the other applications that had opened the same file. Every time one application tries to open /dev/dsp the changes will affect also the applications that are already running (they will jump to use the new device). I've taken a look at dev_clone and EVENT_HANDLER stuff in FreeBSD's pcm drivers but essentially this works by creating a new device and adding it via devfs_create if you access /dev/dsp. But in our case we have already added all the devices so using dev_clone doesn't work (or atleast I've not been able to get it to do what we want) We already have all the devices configured during our Module Load. So all we really want to do is if you open /dev/dsp, OSS's device manager will look for a free device and return that device's minor number and from now on all read/write/ioctl/close routines will use that device number. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get such features working in both FreeBSD 4x and 5x? Should we be looking at /dev/tty (because you can keep opening /dev/tty and it kind of behaves the same way OSS's open works in Solaris or Linux. BTW, we also want to work with the BSD audio guys to implement the upcoming OSS V4.0 mixer extensions that will allow you to add mixer extensions to devices that aren't your standard AC97 or ISA devices. So if anyone wants to extend FreeBSD's OSS api, by all means contact us and we'll work with you to implement this. best regards Dev Mazumdar PS: Please respond directly to me as I'm not subscribed to the freebsd-hackers list. ----------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info@opensound.com ----------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@f... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@f..." --- End forwarded message --- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 23:46:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A3D16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:46:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cydem.org (S0106000103ce4c9c.ed.shawcable.net [68.149.254.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB94043D46 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:46:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from [68.149.254.171] (S01060020ed3972ba.ed.shawcable.net [68.149.254.171]) by cydem.org (Postfix/FreeBSD) with ESMTP id 4A46C37E19 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:46:08 -0600 (MDT) From: To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:46:05 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040712154424.E20939@ganymede.hub.org> <20040712190031.GO64690@camelot.theinternet.com.au> <000401c4684c$5ac17e90$1d0f14ac@METALLER> In-Reply-To: <000401c4684c$5ac17e90$1d0f14ac@METALLER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407121746.05028.soralx@cydem.org> Subject: Re: Logitech Trackman - middle button/wheel X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:46:09 -0000 > AM> +-------[ Marc G. Fournier ]---------------------- > ??|> > ??|> Is there any way of getting X/KDE configured to make use of that as a > ??|> scroll wheel? I know under Windows, if I'm focus'd on Mozilla, for > ??|> instance, I can use it to scroll up/down the page ... any way of doing > ??|> this under Unix too? > > AM> Section "InputDevice" > AM> Identifier "Mouse0" > AM> Driver "mouse" > AM> Option "Protocol" "auto" > AM> Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" > AM> Option "Buttons" "5" > AM> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > AM> EndSection > > AM> The Buttons, and the ZAxisMapping part is the important part for scroll > AM> wheels. > > From my own experience, KDE has problems with sysmouse. At least for me the > only way to enable mouse wheel was to completely disable moused. Do not specify "ZAxisMapping" in 'XF86Config', use this option for moused: "-z4 5". Works for me. Timestamp: 0x40F3223D [SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ ridin' VN1500-B2 From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 01:22:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06C216A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:22:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4506A43D58 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:22:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net (unverified [24.119.122.191]) by smail1.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.9b) with ESMTP id 8602543 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:12:53 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:22:37 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040712202237.61da39b0@vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Subject: Re: How to create MPEG files X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:22:42 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:01:13 +1000 (EST) Andrew Li wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a set of jpegs and I want to put some animation on it to make > it a vcd presentation. I know how to turn jpegs into vcd with ffmpeg > and vcdimager, but I want to create some floating text, pop up > textbox, etc... using those jpegs and turn it into a movie vcd. Sort > of like the vcdimager demo vcd. > > Can anyone give me some hints or point me where to look please? I'm > planning to play the vcd in my friend's wedding, any help is much > appreciated. Thanks x 100. > > Additional info: > OS is FreeBSD 4.9 on Celeron 300 128MB RAM For putting text on the images, there is gimp, which is scriptable, and iirc imagemajick. For the conversion, I know mplayer will handle it and then you can convert to mpeg using ffmpeg. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 04:11:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D66216A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:11:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zebra.esosoft.net (zebra.esosoft.net [38.118.200.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D3443D48 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:11:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from groups@xscd.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=cotopaxi) by zebra.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BkEde-0003Qb-MZ for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:11:31 -0700 From: steve d To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:11:26 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040712154424.E20939@ganymede.hub.org> <000401c4684c$5ac17e90$1d0f14ac@METALLER> <200407121746.05028.soralx@cydem.org> In-Reply-To: <200407121746.05028.soralx@cydem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200407122211.26586.groups@xscd.com> Subject: Re: Logitech Trackman - middle button/wheel X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:11:31 -0000 On Monday 12 July 2004 05:46 pm, soralx@cydem.org wrote: > > Do not specify "ZAxisMapping" in 'XF86Config', use this option > for moused: "-z4 5". Works for me. --- --- ...And if your mouse is a USB mouse and you use the moused, then remove the entries for moused in /etc/rc.conf and instead put your moused options (listed in "man moused") into /etc/usbd.conf Here is the pertinent part of my /etc/usbd.conf file: device "Mouse" devname "ums[0-9]+" attach "/usr/sbin/moused -p /dev/${DEVNAME} -I /var/run/moused.${DEVNAME}.pid -3 -w4 ; /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -m on" I have a logitech "Marble Mouse USB," that includes four buttons and a trackball. The "-3" option above, in /etc/usbd.conf, causes my mouse to act as though a "middle button" (a button number 2) is pressed whenever I press the left and right buttons (buttons 1 and 3). The "-w4" option to moused causes the 4th button (the third physical button, since the second button is emulated as mentioned above with the -3 option) to act as a "scroll lock" button, which means that when I press that small button and move the trackball, the contents of the window in X scrolls instead of the cursor moving. Very handy-- Steve D NM US From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 04:38:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA9A16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:38:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE9643D48 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:38:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metal_man@mail.ru) Received: from [217.118.66.254] (port=42639 helo=METALLER) by mx1.mail.ru with smtp id 1BkF3m-000Ezs-00; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:38:32 +0400 Message-ID: <000401c46893$47432340$0b2713ac@METALLER> From: "Dmitriy Startsev" To: , References: <20040712154424.E20939@ganymede.hub.org><20040712190031.GO64690@camelot.theinternet.com.au><000401c4684c$5ac17e90$1d0f14ac@METALLER> <200407121746.05028.soralx@cydem.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:38:37 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook 2004 (HL) 6.0.2600.32000 - 17/4/2004 06:54:21 Subject: Re: Logitech Trackman - middle button/wheel X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:38:34 -0000 Hello, soralx@cydem.org! You wrote to on Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:46:05 -0600: s> Do not specify "ZAxisMapping" in 'XF86Config', use this option s> for moused: "-z4 5". Works for me. Great, this works now! Somehow I missed the point that "-z 4 5" and "ZAxisMapping" do essentially the same thing and should not be specified together. With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 06:10:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F72C16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from horse.carrier.kiev.ua (horse.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D490C43D2D for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:10:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from news+freebsd-arts@news1.lucky.net) Received: from horse.carrier.kiev.ua (news@localhost) by horse.carrier.kiev.ua (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6D6AM316807 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:10:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from news+freebsd-arts@news1.lucky.net) X-Authentication-Warning: horse.carrier.kiev.ua: news owned process doing -bs To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org From: Dennis Kanevsky Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:50:19 +0300 Organization: Alkar Teleport News Server Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pandora.alkar.net 1089697682 40664 195.248.174.106 (13 Jul 2004 05:48:02 GMT) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Sender: Alkar Teleport News Subsystem X-Verify-Sender: verified Subject: VideoCam X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:10:27 -0000 Hi, Anybody can help me for setup videocam on FreeBSD 5.2.1 for get videoframe for website? Hardware - analog camera TVtuner AverMedia (working right) ============== Best regards, D.K. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 08:29:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9098716A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:29:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from horse.carrier.kiev.ua (horse.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8200E43D41 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:29:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from news+freebsd-arts@news1.lucky.net) Received: from horse.carrier.kiev.ua (news@localhost) by horse.carrier.kiev.ua (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6D8TSB87374 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:29:29 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from news+freebsd-arts@news1.lucky.net) X-Authentication-Warning: horse.carrier.kiev.ua: news owned process doing -bs To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org From: Dennis Kanevsky Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:52:33 +0300 Organization: Alkar Teleport News Server Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pandora.alkar.net 1089705016 8858 195.248.174.106 (13 Jul 2004 07:50:16 GMT) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Sender: Alkar Teleport News Subsystem X-Verify-Sender: verified Subject: VideoCam X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:29:33 -0000 Hi, What package can I use for put videoframe to same directory for use it in the WebSite as "live video"? I have AverMedia TVtuner and attached analog camera. FreeBSD 5.2.1 - I386 ==================== Whith best regards, D.K. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 09:24:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAED16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:24:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B217743D1F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:24:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net (unverified [24.119.122.191]) by smail1.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.9b) with ESMTP id 8651841 for multiple; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:14:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:24:12 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: Dennis Kanevsky Message-Id: <20040713042412.6217f45f@vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VideoCam X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:24:15 -0000 On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:52:33 +0300 Dennis Kanevsky wrote: > Hi, > What package can I use for put videoframe to same directory for use > it in the WebSite as "live video"? > I have AverMedia TVtuner and attached analog camera. > FreeBSD 5.2.1 - I386 Check around in /usr/src... iirc there is a example program for something like that some where... From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 11:10:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2604316A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6093343D49 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:10:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kcoch1@midsouth.rr.com) Received: from midsouth.rr.com (cpe-024-165-203-198.midsouth.rr.com [24.165.203.198])i6DBANVd025107 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:13:32 +0000 From: Kevin Koch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Photon; U; QNX x86pc; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031014 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Does anyone compose music using any of the ports from the/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:10:27 -0000 If so what do you use? What I use is: Audicity Rosegarden(I LOVE it!) SpiralSynth/SPiralLoops/SpiralSynthModular FreeBirth Vsound and depending on my mood soundtracker and cheesetracker Once I brush up on my C/C++ code I plan on trying out my attempt at porting some linux audio /midi software to FreeBSD ! FreeBSD is awesome as a music production environment! However that's just my opinion. And when i'm under the infulence of certain things my favorite port is autozen which is found in /usr/ports/audio. It's nice.! From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 14:12:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7753816A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:12:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (u46n208.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.46.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F251343D1D for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:12:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A93213612D; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:12:02 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E493608B; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:12:02 -0300 (ADT) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:12:02 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Dmitriy Startsev In-Reply-To: <000401c4684c$5ac17e90$1d0f14ac@METALLER> Message-ID: <20040713111036.I867@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20040712154424.E20939@ganymede.hub.org> <000401c4684c$5ac17e90$1d0f14ac@METALLER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logitech Trackman - middle button/wheel X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:12:02 -0000 On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Dmitriy Startsev wrote: > Hello, Andrew! > You wrote to "Marc G. Fournier" on Tue, 13 Jul 2004 > 05:00:31 +1000: > > AM> +-------[ Marc G. Fournier ]---------------------- > ??|> > ??|> Is there any way of getting X/KDE configured to make use of that as a > ??|> scroll wheel? I know under Windows, if I'm focus'd on Mozilla, for > ??|> instance, I can use it to scroll up/down the page ... any way of doing > ??|> this under Unix too? > > AM> Section "InputDevice" > AM> Identifier "Mouse0" > AM> Driver "mouse" > AM> Option "Protocol" "auto" > AM> Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" > AM> Option "Buttons" "5" > AM> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > AM> EndSection > > AM> The Buttons, and the ZAxisMapping part is the important part for scroll > AM> wheels. > > From my own experience, KDE has problems with sysmouse. At least for me the > only way to enable mouse wheel was to completely disable moused. Is there something in KDE that I have to do to enable this as well? I've just restarted my X/KDE with: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "PS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/psm0" Option "Buttons" "5" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection And it didn't make a difference ... I can use it as a third button, but with my focus on something like Mozilla, it doesn't scroll the page up/down ... Thanks ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 15:08:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363DA16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:08:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CEC43D48 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:08:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metal_man@mail.ru) Received: from [217.118.66.254] (port=56010 helo=METALLER) by mx1.mail.ru with smtp id 1BkOtg-0008Oo-00; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:08:46 +0400 Message-ID: <000401c468eb$522e5d30$551914ac@METALLER> From: "Dmitriy Startsev" To: "Marc G. Fournier" References: <20040712154424.E20939@ganymede.hub.org> <20040712190031.GO64690@camelot.theinternet.com.au> <000401c4684c$5ac17e90$1d0f14ac@METALLER> <20040713111036.I867@ganymede.hub.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:08:38 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook 2004 (HL) 6.0.2600.32000 - 17/4/2004 06:54:21 cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logitech Trackman - middle button/wheel X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:08:53 -0000 Hello, Marc! You wrote to "Dmitriy Startsev" on Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:12:02 -0300 (ADT): MGF> Is there something in KDE that I have to do to enable this as well? MGF> I've just restarted my X/KDE with: MGF> Section "InputDevice" MGF> Identifier "Mouse0" MGF> Driver "mouse" MGF> Option "Protocol" "PS/2" MGF> Option "Device" "/dev/psm0" MGF> Option "Buttons" "5" MGF> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" MGF> EndSection MGF> And it didn't make a difference ... I can use it as a third button, MGF> but with my focus on something like Mozilla, it doesn't scroll the MGF> page up/down ... If you are using "/dev/psm0" device here, make sure moused is disabled in /etc/rc.conf. Or you can try this (works for me, note that "ZAxisMapping" option is commented out): /etc/rc.conf: ... moused_enable="YES" moused_port="/dev/psm0" moused_type="auto" moused_flags="-z 4 5" ... /etc/X11/XF86Config: ... Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "Auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" Option "Buttons" "5" # Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection ... With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 15:31:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E98716A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:31:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-out.m-online.net (mail-out.m-online.net [212.18.0.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C9943D2F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:31:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from axel_auweter@pop1.scram.de) Received: from mail.m-online.net (svr14.m-online.net [192.168.3.144]) by svr8.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7F5529D4 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:31:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (dialc112.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.26.112]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22CFE3100 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:31:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40F40057.6050203@pop1.scram.de> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:31:35 +0200 From: Axel Auweter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-AT; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040630 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org References: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the ports fromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:31:33 -0000 Hi, I don't share your opinion, because I'm sort of disappointed by FreeBSD's audio support. I use FreeBSD for all of my daily work, and I love it, but concerning music production, it's not my first choice. I read about Rosegarden-4 and it seems to be a real good piece of software, but it requires ALSA and therefore doesn't run on FreeBSD. AFAIK it has already been discussed that porting ALSA to FreeBSD seems to be nearly impossible. Does anybody know, whether there are any plans or ongoing projects to create a better sound architecture for FreeBSD than OSS? Axel From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 16:03:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3756516A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:03:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.129.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD34543D6D for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:03:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (pc2-105.intern.meitner [10.3.12.105]) by meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04314167656; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:03:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kiste.my.domain (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6DG3ReH020456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:03:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:03:26 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com> <40F40057.6050203@pop1.scram.de> In-Reply-To: <40F40057.6050203@pop1.scram.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_PfA9AyrNuFgmmLr"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407131803.27252.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: Axel Auweter Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the ports fromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:03:31 -0000 --Boundary-02=_PfA9AyrNuFgmmLr Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 13 July 2004 17:31, Axel Auweter wrote: > AFAIK it has already been discussed that porting ALSA to FreeBSD seems=20 > to be nearly impossible. Dev Mazumar of 4Front Tech wrote here some time ago they had/were working o= n=20 an alsa emulation in (commercial) OSS. Perhaps he can comment on the status= =20 of it right now (and if it's going to be available in the FreeBSD versions = of=20 OSS). > Does anybody know, whether there are any plans or ongoing projects to > create a better sound architecture for FreeBSD than OSS? It's rather a question of making applications support !ALSA or at least som= e=20 middleware. Inventing yet another API and replacing OSS with it will not=20 produce application support out of thin air (but instead would leave FreeBS= D=20 without any application support at all). =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --Boundary-02=_PfA9AyrNuFgmmLr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBA9AfPXhc68WspdLARAvccAJ94twWHXGSjB1V2O9K9aJdhi/i+YACfRDkj GyPKrsk47QXxlF8qN4GumfU= =4KOA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_PfA9AyrNuFgmmLr-- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 17:00:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE1416A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:00:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-out.m-online.net (mail-out.m-online.net [212.18.0.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B002F43D3F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:00:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from axel_auweter@pop1.scram.de) Received: from mail.m-online.net (svr14.m-online.net [192.168.3.144]) by svr8.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBCC51F22 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:00:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (dialc209.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.26.209]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD08E5836 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:00:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40F41534.90604@pop1.scram.de> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:00:36 +0200 From: Axel Auweter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-AT; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040630 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org References: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com> <40F40057.6050203@pop1.scram.de> <200407131803.27252.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <200407131803.27252.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the portsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:00:35 -0000 Hi, >Dev Mazumar of 4Front Tech wrote here some time ago they had/were working on >an alsa emulation in (commercial) OSS. Perhaps he can comment on the status >of it right now (and if it's going to be available in the FreeBSD versions of >OSS). > > Yes, would be great to hear about that. Maybe, the problem is already solved and I just didn't know about it... >>Does anybody know, whether there are any plans or ongoing projects to >>create a better sound architecture for FreeBSD than OSS? >> >> >It's rather a question of making applications support !ALSA or at least some >middleware. Inventing yet another API and replacing OSS with it will not >produce application support out of thin air (but instead would leave FreeBSD >without any application support at all). > I totally agree with you: another API isn't worth the work. But it seems to me that more and more projects are focussing on ALSA and it may be hard to keep them all compatible with OSS or some middleware. I think the reason for a lot of programmers to use ALSA is its better latency. I'm too new to this topic, so I cannot judge whether ALSA is really that much better, but if it defeats OSS, FreeBSD will need to support the API, one day. I think, I'm going to collect some information about ALSA (although it doesn't seem to be documented very well). An ideal solution would be to have a FreeBSD implementation (or even better: OS independent) of the ALSA Library which works together with the existing ALSA drivers. Any volunteers? ;-) Does anybody know which parts of ALSA are GPL'ed and which are LGPL'ed? Axel From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 18:35:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A7616A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:35:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE42543D39 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:35:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metal_man@mail.ru) Received: from [217.118.66.254] (port=11709 helo=METALLER) by mx1.mail.ru with smtp id 1BkS7j-00037z-00; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:35:29 +0400 Message-ID: <000501c46908$330e8160$0b1b14ac@METALLER> From: "Dmitriy Startsev" To: "Axel Auweter" , References: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com><40F40057.6050203@pop1.scram.de><200407131803.27252.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> <40F41534.90604@pop1.scram.de> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:35:33 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook 2004 (HL) 6.0.2600.32000 - 17/4/2004 06:54:21 Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of theportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:35:32 -0000 Hello, Axel! You wrote to on Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:00:36 +0200: AA> I think, I'm going to collect some information about ALSA (although it AA> doesn't seem to be documented very well). An ideal solution would be to AA> have a FreeBSD implementation (or even better: OS independent) of the AA> ALSA Library which works together with the existing ALSA drivers. Any AA> volunteers? ;-) I think I'll take a look at it if only I'll have enough free time. By the way, what is the problem about porting ALSA to FreeBSD? Is it impossible at all? AA> Does anybody know which parts of ALSA are GPL'ed and which are LGPL'ed? Why not just look into the source code? With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 19:24:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3085116A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:24:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-out.m-online.net (mail-out.m-online.net [212.18.0.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F6743D41 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:24:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from axel_auweter@pop1.scram.de) Received: from mail.m-online.net (svr14.m-online.net [192.168.3.144]) by svr8.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32F25243F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (dialc106.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.26.106]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491B8E3DB0 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40F436FD.1070407@pop1.scram.de> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:45 +0200 From: Axel Auweter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-AT; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040630 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org References: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com><40F40057.6050203@pop1.scram.de><200407131803.27252.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> <40F41534.90604@pop1.scram.de> <000501c46908$330e8160$0b1b14ac@METALLER> In-Reply-To: <000501c46908$330e8160$0b1b14ac@METALLER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any oftheportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:24:36 -0000 Hi, I just google'd a little bit and found a statement at http://www.bsdforen.de/showthread.php?t=4015 ... Daniel Seuffert states that ALSA would already run under FreeBSD. Hmm, perhaps this guy knows more than we do. > AA> I think, I'm going to collect some information about ALSA (although it > AA> doesn't seem to be documented very well). An ideal solution would be to > AA> have a FreeBSD implementation (or even better: OS independent) of the > AA> ALSA Library which works together with the existing ALSA drivers. Any > AA> volunteers? ;-) > >I think I'll take a look at it if only I'll have enough free time. >By the way, what is the problem about porting ALSA to FreeBSD? Is it >impossible at all? > > In order to spread some motivation I'd say that nothing is impossible... Okay, I found out that it has been discussed several times (on this mailing-list, too). But it seems as if nothing has happened since then. Perhaps it is worth another look. btw: Can anybody tell me what the newpcm driver is? Damn, I'm a real newbie to that topic... :-( > AA> Does anybody know which parts of ALSA are GPL'ed and which are LGPL'ed? > >Why not just look into the source code? > > > Done so. As expected, everything GPL except for alsa-lib which is LGPL. Axel From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 19:36:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4267C16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:36:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (meitner.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.129.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85A543D49 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:36:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (pc2-105.intern.meitner [10.3.12.105]) by meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B92167593; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:36:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kiste.my.domain (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6DJZweH023272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:35:55 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com> <000501c46908$330e8160$0b1b14ac@METALLER> <40F436FD.1070407@pop1.scram.de> In-Reply-To: <40F436FD.1070407@pop1.scram.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_emD9AuGTQ1mKNJL"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407132135.58311.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: Axel Auweter Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any oftheportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:36:02 -0000 --Boundary-02=_emD9AuGTQ1mKNJL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 13 July 2004 21:24, Axel Auweter wrote: > btw: Can anybody tell me what the newpcm driver is? Damn, I'm a real > newbie to that topic... :-( I would suggest you familiarize yourself with the topic a bit more before=20 continuing this thread. =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --Boundary-02=_emD9AuGTQ1mKNJL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBA9DmeXhc68WspdLARAtpMAJ4q0d/5jtiswTPYbiSxNe1STKEJkQCfWhTr vnFbJ5HzZURecQteKQ7e3+w= =rWzu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_emD9AuGTQ1mKNJL-- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 20:11:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BA316A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:11:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-out.m-online.net (mail-out.m-online.net [212.18.0.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3678843D45 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:11:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from axel_auweter@pop1.scram.de) Received: from mail.m-online.net (svr14.m-online.net [192.168.3.144]) by svr8.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150B052B10 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:11:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (dialc106.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.26.106]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C8EE6966 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:11:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40F4420C.2050800@pop1.scram.de> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:11:56 +0200 From: Axel Auweter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-AT; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040630 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org References: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com> <000501c46908$330e8160$0b1b14ac@METALLER> <40F436FD.1070407@pop1.scram.de> <200407132135.58311.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <200407132135.58311.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using anyoftheportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:11:44 -0000 Hi, >I would suggest you familiarize yourself with the topic a bit more before >continuing this thread. > sorry for wasting your time, Axel From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 06:10:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F2316A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:10:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from horse.carrier.kiev.ua (horse.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CA443D41 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:10:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from news+freebsd-arts@news1.lucky.net) Received: from horse.carrier.kiev.ua (news@localhost) by horse.carrier.kiev.ua (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6E69vO00478 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:09:57 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from news+freebsd-arts@news1.lucky.net) X-Authentication-Warning: horse.carrier.kiev.ua: news owned process doing -bs To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org From: Dennis Kanevsky Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:47:05 +0300 Organization: Alkar Teleport News Server Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pandora.alkar.net 1089783885 71224 195.248.174.106 (14 Jul 2004 05:44:45 GMT) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Sender: Alkar Teleport News Subsystem X-Verify-Sender: verified Subject: Does anybody know X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:10:11 -0000 Dear Sirs, Does anybody know 4-ports capture cards, working under Lunux/BSD system? I can`t find any.. Only for Windows system... May be video-securyty system build in the world only on Windows??? ========== Best regards, D.K. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 06:14:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3BC16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:14:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gw.visp.com.au (gw.visp.com.au [202.6.158.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6D443D1D for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:14:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tim@spyderweb.com.au) Received: from bofh.spyderweb.com.au (202-6-150-37.ip.visp.com.au [202.6.150.37] (may be forged)) by gw.visp.com.au (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i6E6E6Mj037718 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:44:06 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from tim@spyderweb.com.au) Received: from spyderweb.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1])i6E6E2Av057688 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:44:03 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from tim@spyderweb.com.au) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:44:02 +0930 From: Tim Aslat To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040714154402.51cfb84f@bofh.spyderweb.com.au> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Spyderweb Consulting X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Does anybody know X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:14:06 -0000 In the immortal words of Dennis Kanevsky ... > Does anybody know 4-ports capture cards, working under Lunux/BSD > system? I can`t find any.. Only for Windows system... May be > video-securyty system build in the world only on Windows??? I've seen one based on the brooktree 878 chipset advertised but I can't remember where. It is the standard bt878 driver but shows up as /dev/bktr0 /dev/bktr1 /dev/bktr2 /dev/bktr3 /dev/bktrx Sorry I can't give more info, but I would have to look through a< lot of stuff to find the ad again. Regards & Good luck Tim -- Tim Aslat Spyderweb Consulting http://www.spyderweb.com.au Phone: +61 0401088479 From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 16:50:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D226B16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:50:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao07.cox.net (lakermmtao07.cox.net [68.230.240.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3922D43D4C for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:50:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from dolphin.local.net ([68.11.71.51]) by lakermmtao07.cox.net ESMTP <20040714165023.VAEV16724.lakermmtao07.cox.net@dolphin.local.net>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:50:23 -0400 Received: from dolphin.local.net (localhost.local.net [127.0.0.1]) by dolphin.local.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6EGoNJQ029993; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@dolphin.local.net) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by dolphin.local.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i6EGoMaD029992; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.5 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:22 -0500 (CDT) Organization: A Rag-Tag Band of Drug-Crazed Hippies From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Kevin Koch cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the ports from the/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: conrads@cox.net List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:50:35 -0000 On 13-Jul-2004 Kevin Koch wrote: > If so what do you use? > > What I use is: > Audicity > Rosegarden(I LOVE it!) > SpiralSynth/SPiralLoops/SpiralSynthModular > FreeBirth > Vsound > and depending on my mood soundtracker and cheesetracker > > Once I brush up on my C/C++ code I plan on trying out my attempt at > porting some linux audio /midi software to FreeBSD ! > FreeBSD is awesome as a music production environment! > However that's just my opinion. > And when i'm under the infulence of certain things my favorite port > is autozen which is found in /usr/ports/audio. > It's nice.! FreeBSD's sound support is primitive in the extreme compared to the facilities available on other platforms. When I first started using FreeBSD, way back in 1996, we had Voxware, which supported real MIDI. Unfortunately, it was yanked from the source tree due to the lack of anyone willing to continue to maintain it, even though there was no replacement for the functionality that was lost as a result. Ever since, we've been limited to the most basic audio functionality, *no* MIDI whatsoever, and as a result, anyone interested in MIDI sequencing under FreeBSD is left with no choice but to use another platform. This is a very sorry state of affairs that has persisted way too long. When the removal of Voxware was under discussion, a number of us registered our strong dissent, as it was obvious that no suitable replacement would be forthcoming for quite some time. Well, here we are, eight years or so later, and the functionality that was ripped out of the kernel with the removal of Voxware *still* has yet to be replaced with a working, compatible (that is, compatible with the abundance of modern, sophisticated tools that are now being used on other platforms) alternative. This is an appalling state of affairs, IMHO. I'm currently exploring a number of alternatives in the hopes of once again enjoying the functionality that once existed, mainly in the area of MIDI. It seems that MIDI, as well as compatibility with the wealth of very sophisticated music composition tools now in existence, is a *very* low priority item in the minds of the main FreeBSD development team. I, for one, am fast running out of patience with this state of affairs. I love FreeBSD and prefer it over any other platform currently available, but unless some serious improvement comes about in the area of sound/music support, and soon, I fear I may be left with no choice but to bid a bittersweet farewell to the project, and seek greener pastures. Things have gotten so bad of late, that even the few, minimalistic tools that we do have available to us, such as timidity++, aren't even working properly, and recent commits have even introduced new bugs into the existing pcm code. I don't believe in issuing ultimatums or threats, but I am seriously disgusted with the state of sound support in FreeBSD. We are *so* far behind the rest of the free *nixes, it's not even funny. I would *love* to use FreeBSD as the basis for the home recording studio I'm interested in setting up, but with the current paucity of working tools and devices, that seems highly unlikely to be within the realm of practical possibility. I'm currently looking at AGNULA (http://www.agnula.org/) a Debian and/or Redhat-based system tailored specifically for use as a full, professional-quality music production environment. Looks *very* interesting. It makes me very sad that FreeBSD is so far behind the pack in this area, it really does. Otherwise, I think it's the best free OS around. But I have needs that aren't being met, and I'm quite skeptical at this point that FreeBSD will ever deliver the goods. I think eight years is a more than reasonable length of time to have waited for a replacement MIDI subsystem to be instituted. My patience is nearly at an end. Oh well. You gotta do whatcha gotta do, I guess. Just wish it weren't so. -- Conrad J. Sabatier -- "In Unix veritas" From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 16:52:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1043616A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:52:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abcjr.abcjr.net (abcjr.abcjr.net [207.178.110.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E93943D3F for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:52:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from abcjr@abcjr.net) Received: from abcjr.abcjr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abcjr.abcjr.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6EGq3eG019282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:52:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from abcjr@abcjr.abcjr.net) Received: (from abcjr@localhost) by abcjr.abcjr.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i6EGPvBo018725 for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:25:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from abcjr) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:25:57 -0500 From: "Arnold Cavazos Jr." To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040714162556.GB31315@abcjr.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040706, clamav-milter version 0.74a on abcjr.abcjr.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Does anybody know X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:52:10 -0000 http://www.linuxmedia.com/ -- Arnold Cavazos, Jr. abcjr at abcjr . net On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:47:05AM +0300, Dennis Kanevsky wrote: > Dear Sirs, > > Does anybody know 4-ports capture cards, working under Lunux/BSD system? > I can`t find any.. Only for Windows system... May be video-securyty > system build in the world only on Windows??? > ========== > Best regards, > D.K. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-multimedia > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-multimedia-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 18:01:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2576416A4D0 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:01:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD35F43D55 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metal_man@mail.ru) Received: from [217.118.66.254] (port=24828 helo=METALLER) by mx2.mail.ru with smtp id 1Bko4J-000OEb-00; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:01:24 +0400 Message-ID: <000401c469cc$9b7ef490$5b3c13ac@METALLER> From: "Dmitriy Startsev" To: , References: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:01:30 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook 2004 (HL) 6.0.2600.32000 - 17/4/2004 06:54:21 cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the ports fromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:01:29 -0000 Hello, Conrad! You wrote to "Kevin Koch" on Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:22 -0500 (CDT): CJS> FreeBSD's sound support is primitive in the extreme compared to the CJS> facilities available on other platforms. CJS> When I first started using FreeBSD, way back in 1996, we had Voxware, CJS> which supported real MIDI. Unfortunately, it was yanked from the CJS> source tree due to the lack of anyone willing to continue to maintain CJS> it, even though there was no replacement for the functionality that CJS> was lost as a result. CJS> Ever since, we've been limited to the most basic audio functionality, CJS> *no* MIDI whatsoever, and as a result, anyone interested in MIDI CJS> sequencing under FreeBSD is left with no choice but to use another CJS> platform. CJS> This is a very sorry state of affairs that has persisted way too long. CJS> When the removal of Voxware was under discussion, a number of us CJS> registered our strong dissent, as it was obvious that no suitable CJS> replacement would be forthcoming for quite some time. CJS> Well, here we are, eight years or so later, and the functionality that CJS> was ripped out of the kernel with the removal of Voxware *still* has CJS> yet to be replaced with a working, compatible (that is, compatible CJS> with the abundance of modern, sophisticated tools that are now being CJS> used on other platforms) alternative. CJS> This is an appalling state of affairs, IMHO. I'm currently exploring CJS> a number of alternatives in the hopes of once again enjoying the CJS> functionality that once existed, mainly in the area of MIDI. CJS> It seems that MIDI, as well as compatibility with the wealth of very CJS> sophisticated music composition tools now in existence, is a *very* CJS> low priority item in the minds of the main FreeBSD development team. CJS> I, for one, am fast running out of patience with this state of CJS> affairs. I love FreeBSD and prefer it over any other platform CJS> currently available, but unless some serious improvement comes about CJS> in the area of sound/music support, and soon, I fear I may be left CJS> with no choice but to bid a bittersweet farewell to the project, and CJS> seek greener pastures. CJS> Things have gotten so bad of late, that even the few, minimalistic CJS> tools that we do have available to us, such as timidity++, aren't even CJS> working properly, and recent commits have even introduced new bugs CJS> into the existing pcm code. CJS> I don't believe in issuing ultimatums or threats, but I am seriously CJS> disgusted with the state of sound support in FreeBSD. We are *so* far CJS> behind the rest of the free *nixes, it's not even funny. CJS> I would *love* to use FreeBSD as the basis for the home recording CJS> studio I'm interested in setting up, but with the current paucity of CJS> working tools and devices, that seems highly unlikely to be within the CJS> realm of practical possibility. CJS> I'm currently looking at AGNULA (http://www.agnula.org/) a Debian CJS> and/or Redhat-based system tailored specifically for use as a full, CJS> professional-quality music production environment. Looks *very* CJS> interesting. CJS> It makes me very sad that FreeBSD is so far behind the pack in this CJS> area, it really does. Otherwise, I think it's the best free OS CJS> around. But I have needs that aren't being met, and I'm quite CJS> skeptical at this point that FreeBSD will ever deliver the goods. I CJS> think eight years is a more than reasonable length of time to have CJS> waited for a replacement MIDI subsystem to be instituted. My patience CJS> is nearly at an end. If you need this functionality so much, why don't you develop it yourself? Or hire some programmers, money always were a good motivation;) CJS> Oh well. You gotta do whatcha gotta do, I guess. Just wish it CJS> weren't so. With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 20:51:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9656A16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:51:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082C743D48 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:51:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dev@opensound.com) Received: from [192.1.2.22] (c-24-127-17-145.we.client2.attbi.com[24.127.17.145]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2004071420514401200fpb34e> (Authid: opensound); Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:51:45 +0000 Message-ID: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:51:44 -0700 From: 4Front Technologies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the portsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:51:46 -0000 > On Tuesday 13 July 2004 17:31, Axel Auweter wrote: > >> AFAIK it has already been discussed that porting ALSA to FreeBSD seems >> to be nearly impossible. > > Dev Mazumar of 4Front Tech wrote here some time ago they had/were working on > an alsa emulation in (commercial) OSS. Perhaps he can comment on the status > of it right now (and if it's going to be available in the FreeBSD versions of > OSS). > >> Does anybody know, whether there are any plans or ongoing projects to >> create a better sound architecture for FreeBSD than OSS? > > It's rather a question of making applications support !ALSA or at least some > middleware. Inventing yet another API and replacing OSS with it will not produce > application support out of thin air (but instead would leave FreeBSD > without any application support at all). > > > =2D-=20 > ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org > (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org > \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org Hi, I think ALSA is going to be really to port to FreeBSD (without a lot of internal changes to FreeBSD kernel) because of high dependance on the Linux's /proc file system and Linux system calls that just arn't available for FreeBSD. OSS apps for Linux work nicely with FreeBSD's Linux emulation (case in point, check out Skype for Linux). I'm not sure how well a Linux binary that has a high reliance on /proc and other Linux oddities will work on FreeBSD. OSS is designed with "pure" UNIX sematics - read/write/ioctl/poll/mmap and nothing else. Ofcourse I could be wrong about porting ALSA. Just that from our experiences on developing the ALSA emulation, it looked highly suspect. It's actually easier to add OSS support to most apps. The problem is that none of the app developers have really understood OSS sequencers because they are lowlevel. ALSA provides better high level abstraction but we have already done a libOSSlib.a sequencer abstraction for OSS - nobody bothered with it. As for MIDI I/O, OSS already has powerful support for MIDI input and output that are also the basis for ALSA. Where ALSA seems to be ahead is in terms of sequencing and this part is in the ALSA libraries rather than the kernel drivers. We started with a project called Cuckoo - as a proof of concept that ALSA isn't all that it's cracked up to be (except for MIDI and even in MIDI, they rely on the OSS lowlevel MIDI/Sequencer drivers). We just gave up trying to keep pace with ALSA that keeps changing on a weekly basis - now the Cuckoo module will not compile on the latest ALSA drivers in the Linux 2.6.7 kernels. QNX used ALSA 0.5 and gave up trying to keep pace and now QNX Audio is something like ALSA but none of the ALSA apps can actually recompile on QNX without major work. We are working on OSS v4.0 and we would like to first invite FreeBSD audio driver maintainers to sit down with us and implement all the new mixer extension features that will allow FreeBSD driver developers to extend the old OSS mixer APIs to support more pro audio devices. OSS's mixer extensions are sane and aren't like ALSA's flat space (try running alsamixer on SBLive in Linux and then compare our OSS mixer in FreeBSD and you'll see how well it's designed). We have some work to do in the MIDI Sequencer space. We plan to address this and we'll be happy to share our work with FreeBSD developers. Just that right now, we see that MIDI isn't important for music creation. Companies like MAudio are more focussed on pro audio than MIDI. The M-Audio Revolution 7.1 audio card doesn't even have a MIDI port. We do plan on doing proper ALSA emulation for audio and MIDI by completely rewriting the ALSA Libraries to use OSS rather than ALSA lowlevel drivers. It can be done, just a whole lot of work is needed. It's a better approach than using the Cuckoo concept because ALSA keeps changing internally and the only thing relatively stable would be the ALSA libraries. I hope that we have the time and man power to pull this off. Right now there are so many cooler things we can do with audio - like 3D spatialization and other neat features (check out http://www.oss3d.com/usite/tech.html) BTW, we're working on OSS 3.99.1 for FreeBSD (please see my post on the open() call under the freebsd-hackers ML). If we can get that going, audio for FreeBSD will totally rock. best regards Dev Mazumdar ----------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info@opensound.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 22:03:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC55616A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:03:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853D743D41 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:03:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metal_man@mail.ru) Received: from [217.118.66.254] (port=24544 helo=METALLER) by mx2.mail.ru with smtp id 1Bkrqi-0007KO-00; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:03:38 +0400 Message-ID: <000701c469ee$72503ad0$7b2a14ac@METALLER> From: "Dmitriy Startsev" To: "4Front Technologies" , References: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:03:45 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook 2004 (HL) 6.0.2600.32000 - 17/4/2004 06:54:21 Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of theportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:03:40 -0000 Hello, 4Front! You wrote to on Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:51:44 -0700: FT> We have some work to do in the MIDI Sequencer space. We plan to address FT> this and we'll be happy to share our work with FreeBSD developers. Just FT> that right now, we see that MIDI isn't important for music creation. FT> Companies like MAudio are more focussed on pro audio than MIDI. The FT> M-Audio Revolution 7.1 audio card doesn't even have a MIDI port. These companies don't create music, they create audio hardware (and software), and they focus on whatever is more profitable for them. Particularly M-Audio Rev.7.1 is not a professional audio card. MIDI is *very* important for music creation, I can tell this for sure as I know a lot of musicians. Too bad commercial project developers sometimes don't care about real people's needs:( FT> We do plan on doing proper ALSA emulation for audio and MIDI by FT> completely rewriting the ALSA Libraries to use OSS rather than ALSA FT> lowlevel drivers. It can be done, just a whole lot of work is needed. FT> It's a better approach than using the Cuckoo concept because ALSA keeps FT> changing internally and the only thing relatively stable would be the FT> ALSA libraries. I hope that we have the time and man power to pull this FT> off. Good news, this will allow more software to run under FreeBSD. With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 22:19:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4101216A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:19:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (meitner.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.129.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07B243D49 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:19:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (pc2-105.intern.meitner [10.3.12.105]) by meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A741675CE; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:19:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kiste.my.domain (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6EMJDuC043836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:19:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:19:12 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> In-Reply-To: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_gFb9ABz6NADMrLH"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407150019.12814.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: 4Front Technologies Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the portsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:19:16 -0000 --Boundary-02=_gFb9ABz6NADMrLH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dev, Thanks for your comments, and sorry for spelling your name wrong. :-) > Just that right now,=20 > we see that MIDI isn't important for music creation. I'd like to comment on this a bit to avoid misunderstandings: What Dev mean= s=20 is, I think, the more refined areas of MIDI support and the sequencer API. OSS (as offered by 4front) has been offering solid MIDI input/output for a= =20 long time, but at the moment there is hardly ANY MIDI support in the driver= s=20 that ship with FreeBSD - you can't in fact hook up a controller keyboard to= a=20 =46reeBSD system in any reasonable way, which is naturally quite frustratin= g=20 for people like Conrad. =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --Boundary-02=_gFb9ABz6NADMrLH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBA9bFgXhc68WspdLARAqPMAJ9O56vbp0Q8jdW0cEJbySQTcYCMdQCeJwBI lj+DiTySA28DD2mcZdK3ypw= =UDHI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_gFb9ABz6NADMrLH-- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 22:25:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C05616A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:25:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4A343D1F for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:25:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dev@opensound.com) Received: from [192.1.2.22] (c-24-127-17-145.we.client2.attbi.com[24.127.17.145]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004071422255201100t2qsce> (Authid: opensound); Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:25:54 +0000 Message-ID: <40F5B2EF.6060009@opensound.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:25:51 -0700 From: 4Front Technologies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dmitriy Startsev References: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> <000701c469ee$72503ad0$7b2a14ac@METALLER> In-Reply-To: <000701c469ee$72503ad0$7b2a14ac@METALLER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any oftheportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:25:55 -0000 Dmitriy Startsev wrote: > Hello, 4Front! > You wrote to on Wed, 14 Jul 2004 > 13:51:44 -0700: > > FT> We have some work to do in the MIDI Sequencer space. We plan to address > FT> this and we'll be happy to share our work with FreeBSD developers. Just > FT> that right now, we see that MIDI isn't important for music creation. > FT> Companies like MAudio are more focussed on pro audio than MIDI. The > FT> M-Audio Revolution 7.1 audio card doesn't even have a MIDI port. > > These companies don't create music, they create audio hardware (and > software), and they focus on whatever is more profitable for them. > Particularly M-Audio Rev.7.1 is not a professional audio card. > MIDI is *very* important for music creation, I can tell this for sure as I > know a lot of musicians. Too bad commercial project developers sometimes > don't care about real people's needs:( Hi, I know MAudio really well (they are in here LA) and they have the biggest following of the pro musician community. They say that there's a bigger emphasis on audio samplers and loops (acid loops or sonar or protools) because there is so much one can do with digital audio rather than MIDI. VSTs are huge for professional music (we've created our own VSTs check out http://www.opensound.com/proaudio.html) and that's where the action is. But as you said, MIDI is important for music creation and that's the space where currently OSS is deficient in but we're addressing this issue. We have tried to implement MIDI software synths but licesing sound banks is expensive and the synths available for free (fluidsynth and others) aren't pro quality. We've looked at implementing DLS synth but it's hard work for just one programmer. We have a softsynth that comes with OSS (http://www.opensound.com/softoss.html) but it's not good and relies on old Gravis (MIDIA) patch banks. SoftOSS can be used together with Jazz or Noteedit - you just need to do the appropriate programming. Without a good software synth, there's no point in putting effort into MIDI so we currently focus on digital audio and trying to make it better than anything available for Mac/Windows/ALSA. For the time being, timidity is pretty good and there is a way to use Timdidity as a softsynth for the OSS /dev/sequencer (you can then use apps like playmidi or ossmplay). best regards Dev Mazumdar ----------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info@opensound.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 14 22:54:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F8916A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:54:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F8443D41 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:54:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metal_man@mail.ru) Received: from [217.118.66.254] (port=41214 helo=METALLER) by mx2.mail.ru with smtp id 1Bksdy-000CJ0-00; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:54:32 +0400 Message-ID: <000901c469f5$8e9ca0f0$7b2a14ac@METALLER> From: "Dmitriy Startsev" To: "4Front Technologies" References: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> <000701c469ee$72503ad0$7b2a14ac@METALLER> <40F5B2EF.6060009@opensound.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:54:39 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook 2004 (HL) 6.0.2600.32000 - 17/4/2004 06:54:21 cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of theportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:54:35 -0000 Hello, 4Front! You wrote to "Dmitriy Startsev" on Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:25:51 -0700: FT> Hi, FT> I know MAudio really well (they are in here LA) and they have the FT> biggest following of the pro musician community. They say that there's FT> a bigger emphasis on audio samplers and loops (acid loops or sonar or FT> protools) because there is so much one can do with digital audio rather FT> than MIDI. VSTs are huge for professional music (we've created our own FT> VSTs check out http://www.opensound.com/proaudio.html) and that's where the action is. FT> But as you said, MIDI is important for music creation and that's the FT> space where currently OSS is deficient in but we're addressing this FT> issue. We have tried to implement MIDI software synths but licesing FT> sound banks is expensive and the synths available for free (fluidsynth FT> and others) aren't pro quality. We've looked at implementing DLS synth FT> but it's hard work for just one programmer. We have a softsynth that FT> comes with OSS (http://www.opensound.com/softoss.html) but it's not FT> good and relies on old Gravis (MIDIA) patch banks. SoftOSS can be used FT> together with Jazz or Noteedit - you just need to do the appropriate FT> programming. Many musicians have their own sound banks they would like to use, so IMHO it is enough to make a synth which can read a particular sound bank file format, but does not contain any ready to use sound banks. I understand that such work can't easily be done by one programmer, but do you have only one programmer? FT> Without a good software synth, there's no point in putting effort into FT> MIDI so we currently focus on digital audio and trying to make it FT> better than anything available for Mac/Windows/ALSA. For the time FT> being, timidity is pretty good and there is a way to use Timdidity as a FT> softsynth for the OSS /dev/sequencer (you can then use apps like FT> playmidi or ossmplay). To make audio support better than on Windows, you need to implement something similar to the "kx project" for Emu10kx based cards;) FT> best regards With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 03:25:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F9D16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:25:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao03.cox.net (lakermmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC93843D1F for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:25:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from dolphin.local.net ([68.11.71.51]) by lakermmtao03.cox.net ESMTP <20040715032539.GXCJ27456.lakermmtao03.cox.net@dolphin.local.net>; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:25:39 -0400 Received: from dolphin.local.net (localhost.local.net [127.0.0.1]) by dolphin.local.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6F3PerR040781; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:25:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@dolphin.local.net) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by dolphin.local.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i6F3PeJZ040749; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:25:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:25:40 -0500 From: Conrad Sabatier To: Dmitriy Startsev Message-ID: <20040715032540.GA79146@cox.net> References: <000401c469cc$9b7ef490$5b3c13ac@METALLER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000401c469cc$9b7ef490$5b3c13ac@METALLER> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the ports fromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:25:42 -0000 On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:01:30PM +0400, Dmitriy Startsev wrote: > Hello, Conrad! > You wrote to "Kevin Koch" on Wed, 14 Jul 2004 > 11:50:22 -0500 (CDT): > > CJS> FreeBSD's sound support is primitive in the extreme compared to the > CJS> facilities available on other platforms. [snip] > If you need this functionality so much, why don't you develop it yourself? If I could, I would. That's just way beyond my skill level, I'm afraid. Porting something like ALSA and/or JACK over to FreeBSD would, I'm sure, be a monumental undertaking. I don't think a single individual could do it on his own. > Or hire some programmers, money always were a good motivation;) True. :-) Unfortunately, that's one thing I don't have an abundance of. :-) Ah well, life goes on, I guess. It just looks like I'm going to have to make some hard choices soon, which I really wish were not the case. -- Conrad J. Sabatier -- "In Unix veritas" From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 05:28:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D9A16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:28:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao12.cox.net (lakermmtao12.cox.net [68.230.240.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859B743D1D for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:28:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from dolphin.local.net ([68.11.71.51]) by lakermmtao12.cox.net ESMTP <20040715052834.KEVQ25657.lakermmtao12.cox.net@dolphin.local.net>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:28:34 -0400 Received: from dolphin.local.net (localhost.local.net [127.0.0.1]) by dolphin.local.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6F5SYbw001271; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:28:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@dolphin.local.net) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by dolphin.local.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i6F5SY3E001269; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:28:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.5 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:28:34 -0500 (CDT) Organization: A Rag-Tag Band of Drug-Crazed Hippies From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: 4Front Technologies cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the portsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: conrads@cox.net List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:28:36 -0000 On 14-Jul-2004 4Front Technologies wrote: > > I think ALSA is going to be really [difficult] to port to FreeBSD > (without a lot of internal changes to FreeBSD kernel) because of > high dependance on the Linux's /proc file system and Linux system > calls that just arn't available for FreeBSD. Yes, most unfortunate that is. I do believe this is one area where FreeBSD should concede the fact that the other guys are doing a better job at it than we are, and not resist the idea of borrowing from them. > OSS apps for Linux work nicely with FreeBSD's Linux emulation (case > in point, check out Skype for Linux). Perhaps, but still, native support is what we need and want. Speaking of which, I was browsing 4Front's site the other day and was a little disappointed to see that even the existing FreeBSD support is not available for amd64. Is that likely to change anytime in the future? > I'm not sure how well a Linux binary that has a high reliance on > /proc and other Linux oddities will work on FreeBSD. My guess would be "not very well at all". :-) > OSS is designed with "pure" UNIX sematics - > read/write/ioctl/poll/mmap and nothing else. Ofcourse I could be > wrong about porting ALSA. Just that from our experiences on > developing the ALSA emulation, it looked highly suspect. Perhaps it's time to consider that what's needed is a new framework for sound development. If the existing "pure Unix semantics" are insufficient, then there's nothing wrong with a little innovation. > It's actually easier to add OSS support to most apps. The problem is > that none of the app developers have really understood OSS > sequencers because they are lowlevel. ALSA provides better high > level abstraction but we have already done a libOSSlib.a sequencer > abstraction for OSS - nobody bothered with it. That's a shame. I suspect it may have largely to do with the fact that, as someone else mentioned in this thread, until we have better hardware sound device support -- say, the ability to interface a MIDI keyboard or even simply supporting *all* of a particular card's capabilities-- then whatever such a library may have to offer will still be of limited usefulness. > As for MIDI I/O, OSS already has powerful support for MIDI input and > output that are also the basis for ALSA. Where ALSA seems to be > ahead is in terms of sequencing and this part is in the ALSA > libraries rather than the kernel drivers. Yes, this seems to be the main, crucial "missing link". > We started with a project called Cuckoo - as a proof of concept that > ALSA isn't all that it's cracked up to be (except for MIDI and even > in MIDI, they rely on the OSS lowlevel MIDI/Sequencer drivers). > > We just gave up trying to keep pace with ALSA that keeps changing on > a weekly basis - now the Cuckoo module will not compile on the > latest ALSA drivers in the Linux 2.6.7 kernels. QNX used ALSA 0.5 > and gave up trying to keep pace and now QNX Audio is something like > ALSA but none of the ALSA apps can actually recompile on QNX without > major work. Is there any hope at all of the Unix sound development community ever coming together and agreeing on a cross-platform standard? This seems to be what's really needed, IMHO. > We are working on OSS v4.0 and we would like to first invite FreeBSD > audio driver maintainers to sit down with us and implement all the > new mixer extension features that will allow FreeBSD driver > developers to extend the old OSS mixer APIs to support more pro > audio devices. OSS's mixer extensions are sane and aren't like > ALSA's flat space (try running alsamixer on SBLive in Linux and then > compare our OSS mixer in FreeBSD and you'll see how well it's > designed). This brings to mind yet another problem we face in FreeBSD: it appears to me that the number of people actively involved in audio driver support and development are pitifully few, far fewer than are really needed to provide a wide range of complete support for a good variety of hardware. I'd volunteer to help out myself (I'm a fairly competent C coder), but I would need a "crash course" in pretty much *everything* having to do with sound and kernel driver development (which, of course, is most likely completely unrealistic to even think about). > We have some work to do in the MIDI Sequencer space. We plan to > address this and we'll be happy to share our work with FreeBSD > developers. Just that right now, we see that MIDI isn't important > for music creation. BROING!!! MIDI is *the* single most important aspect of music creation for most people. I'm astonished to see such a statement. > Companies like MAudio are more focussed on pro audio than MIDI. The > M-Audio Revolution 7.1 audio card doesn't even have a MIDI port. I don't know the first thing about this company or this card, so I can't comment, other than to reiterate that MIDI is very, very important for musicians. > We do plan on doing proper ALSA emulation for audio and MIDI by > completely rewriting the ALSA Libraries to use OSS rather than ALSA > lowlevel drivers. It can be done, just a whole lot of work is > needed. It's a better approach than using the Cuckoo concept because > ALSA keeps changing internally and the only thing relatively stable > would be the ALSA libraries. I hope that we have the time and man > power to pull this off. Well, this certainly sounds encouraging! Is there a mailing list for tracking the state of development? I'm sure I'm not the only FreeBSD user who'd be very interested in this. > Right now there are so many cooler things we can do with audio - like > 3D spatialization and other neat features (check out > http://www.oss3d.com/usite/tech.html) That's all very nice, too, but *please* keep MIDI in mind! :-) > BTW, we're working on OSS 3.99.1 for FreeBSD (please see my post on > the open() call under the freebsd-hackers ML). If we can get that > going, audio for FreeBSD will totally rock. Thank you very much for posting this; you've given me hope! :-) And please don't forget the amd64 platform, either. :-) Take care, Conrad -- Conrad J. Sabatier -- "In Unix veritas" From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 08:24:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B9516A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:24:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A51643D3F for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:24:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dev@opensound.com) Received: from opensound.com (c-24-127-17-145.we.client2.attbi.com[24.127.17.145]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2004071508244601600bbjp8e> (Authid: opensound); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:24:46 +0000 Message-ID: <40F63F4F.7060400@opensound.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:24:47 -0700 From: 4Front Technologies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6a) Gecko/20031207 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, conrads@cox.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of theportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:24:48 -0000 On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:01:30PM +0400, Dmitriy Startsev wrote: > If I could, I would. That's just way beyond my skill level, I'm afraid. > Porting something like ALSA and/or JACK over to FreeBSD would, I'm sure, be > a monumental undertaking. I don't think a single individual could do it on > his own. Jack is already ported to OSS APIs on FreeBSD. Check out: http://www.freshports.org/audio/jack/ The author of Jack on OSS, Jussi Laako (http://www.sonarnerd.net/projects/jack_oss.html) claims that Jack on OSS drivers (MAudio Delta44) has better latency and performance than Jack on the ALSA drivers. If you talk to the author of Jack, he would tell you not to program to ALSA (or OSS) APIs and use his API. Looks like if Jack is the hottest thing happening to audio on Linux then FreeBSD users already have access to Jack apps on FreeBSD. best regards Dev Mazumdar ----------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info@opensound.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 09:34:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD6416A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:34:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (meitner.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.129.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6E343D2F for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:34:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (pc2-105.intern.meitner [10.3.12.105]) by meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6F31675D3; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:34:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kiste.my.domain (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6F9YsAG052569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:34:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:34:51 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <000401c469cc$9b7ef490$5b3c13ac@METALLER> <20040715032540.GA79146@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20040715032540.GA79146@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_++k9AxM9jlOomcF"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407151134.54173.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the ports fromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:34:58 -0000 --Boundary-02=_++k9AxM9jlOomcF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 15 July 2004 05:25, Conrad Sabatier wrote: > If I could, I would. That's just way beyond my skill level, I'm afraid. > Porting something like ALSA and/or JACK over to FreeBSD would, I'm sure, = be > a monumental undertaking. I don't think a single individual could do it = on > his own. JACK is in ports (audio/jack). While it wasn't particularly easy to port, I= 'm=20 not sure it was quite monumentally difficult... and it was done by our very= =20 own arved. :) =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --Boundary-02=_++k9AxM9jlOomcF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBA9k++Xhc68WspdLARAhSVAJoDswmrewHzrIXf/jqC8H4PV/S3oQCfeMup b8IHg2Dlj3mGZfsbvsNJBKs= =kAIP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_++k9AxM9jlOomcF-- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 09:44:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E7316A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:44:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com (mailout08.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74B343D45 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:44:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Bl2mZ-000380-03; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:44:03 +0200 Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (bVnoBZZL8eFNs98bAiEs6g67o2ek2v8fC9992sIPHEoi148vWjvzco@[217.83.25.244]) by fmrl11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1Bl2mJ-0QmtOq0; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:43:47 +0200 Received: from Magellan.Leidinger.net (Magellan.Leidinger.net [192.168.1.1]) i6F9hl28087741; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:43:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:44:03 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: 4Front Technologies Message-Id: <20040715114403.279506e7@Magellan.Leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> References: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ID: bVnoBZZL8eFNs98bAiEs6g67o2ek2v8fC9992sIPHEoi148vWjvzco@t-dialin.net cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the portsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:44:23 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:51:44 -0700 4Front Technologies wrote: > OSS apps > for Linux work nicely with FreeBSD's Linux emulation (case in point, check out > Skype for Linux). Are you talking about the native FreeBSD sound code, or are you talking about the 4Front OSS code on FreeBSD? I haven't tried the 4Front OSS code, but with the FreeBSD native sound code (even with my patches), I don't get good sound quality with Skype (on -current). The sound output stutters (I tried with the skype echo service and a headset). Bye, Alexander. -- I'm available to get hired (preferred in .lu). http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 16:31:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F242116A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:31:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from crumpet.united-ware.com (ddsl-66-42-172-210.fuse.net [66.42.172.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B70143D1D for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:31:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mistry.7@osu.edu) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (ddsl-66-42-172-210.fuse.net [66.42.172.210]) (authenticated bits=0)i6FGLt2S037690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:21:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mistry.7@osu.edu) From: Anish Mistry To: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, conrads@cox.net Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:32:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200407151232.23854.mistry.7@osu.edu> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_ORBS,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_KMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: 4Front Technologies Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the portsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:31:34 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 15 July 2004 01:28 am, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > On 14-Jul-2004 4Front Technologies wrote: > > I think ALSA is going to be really [difficult] to port to FreeBSD > > (without a lot of internal changes to FreeBSD kernel) because of > > high dependance on the Linux's /proc file system and Linux system > > calls that just arn't available for FreeBSD. > > Yes, most unfortunate that is. I do believe this is one area where > FreeBSD should concede the fact that the other guys are doing a better > job at it than we are, and not resist the idea of borrowing from them. > > > OSS apps for Linux work nicely with FreeBSD's Linux emulation (case > > in point, check out Skype for Linux). > > Perhaps, but still, native support is what we need and want. > > Speaking of which, I was browsing 4Front's site the other day and was a > little disappointed to see that even the existing FreeBSD support is > not available for amd64. Is that likely to change anytime in the > future? > > > I'm not sure how well a Linux binary that has a high reliance on > > /proc and other Linux oddities will work on FreeBSD. > > My guess would be "not very well at all". :-) > > > OSS is designed with "pure" UNIX sematics - > > read/write/ioctl/poll/mmap and nothing else. Ofcourse I could be > > wrong about porting ALSA. Just that from our experiences on > > developing the ALSA emulation, it looked highly suspect. > > Perhaps it's time to consider that what's needed is a new framework for > sound development. If the existing "pure Unix semantics" are > insufficient, then there's nothing wrong with a little innovation. > > > It's actually easier to add OSS support to most apps. The problem is > > that none of the app developers have really understood OSS > > sequencers because they are lowlevel. ALSA provides better high > > level abstraction but we have already done a libOSSlib.a sequencer > > abstraction for OSS - nobody bothered with it. > > That's a shame. I suspect it may have largely to do with the fact > that, as someone else mentioned in this thread, until we have better > hardware sound device support -- say, the ability to interface a MIDI > keyboard or even simply supporting *all* of a particular card's > capabilities-- then whatever such a library may have to offer will > still be of limited usefulness. > =2D From the big picture this is main problem with most obscure OSs like th= e=20 =46reeBSD is getting hardware support. Part of the problem is that it's a= =20 volunteer effort, but as I see it that in itself isn't holding back device= =20 support as much as manufactures not providing chipset specs (I have a whole= =20 spiel about getting my Cirrus Logic chipset sound card not to sound like=20 crap, but I digress) etc., but 4front doesn't seem to have that problem as= =20 they support a ton of cards. I don't think there is anyone actively maintaining any of the other sound=20 drivers besides the emku* ever since Orion Hodson got too busy to actively= =20 work on them. I've been trying to get up to snuff on kernel stuff like=20 patching the csa driver so my sound cards internal amp is turned on, a smal= l=20 acpi add on kernel module for my laptop, and some various usb stuff. I'll= =20 try and take a look at the open() stuff and see if I can help, but my skill= s=20 are lacking. I should give the OSS drivers another try, hopefully they don't panic my=20 machine like before. =2D --=20 Anish Mistry =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFA9rGWxqA5ziudZT0RAnUEAKC5bIfapoge3gei5cBMeoi92XYQQACfS6bm +sE25KLpGG5Hy5tNH3C062M=3D =3DRwTW =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 17:03:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B71116A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:03:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5376143D41 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:03:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net (unverified [24.119.122.85]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.9b) with ESMTP id 27477930 for multiple; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:48:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:03:06 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: Kevin Koch Message-Id: <20040715120306.085446ca@vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com> References: <40F37D8C.1000108@midsouth.rr.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of the ports from the/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:03:05 -0000 On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:13:32 +0000 Kevin Koch wrote: > If so what do you use? > > What I use is: > Audicity > Rosegarden(I LOVE it!) > SpiralSynth/SPiralLoops/SpiralSynthModular > FreeBirth > Vsound > and depending on my mood soundtracker and cheesetracker Check out beast. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 17:45:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD7216A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:45:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087FF43D39 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:45:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dev@opensound.com) Received: from [192.1.2.22] (c-24-127-17-145.we.client2.attbi.com[24.127.17.145]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004071517450301100t2rc5e> (Authid: opensound); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:45:04 +0000 Message-ID: <40F6C29F.50004@opensound.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:45:03 -0700 From: 4Front Technologies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: conrads@cox.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of theportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:45:05 -0000 Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > Perhaps, but still, native support is what we need and want. > > Speaking of which, I was browsing 4Front's site the other day and was a > little disappointed to see that even the existing FreeBSD support is > not available for amd64. Is that likely to change anytime in the > future? > Yes, we plan to support FreeBSD on AMD64 with FreeBSD 5.2.1 - should be out in a week or two. Right now we're trying to support DragonFly BSD. [SNIP] > > Is there any hope at all of the Unix sound development community ever > coming together and agreeing on a cross-platform standard? This seems > to be what's really needed, IMHO. > OSS was (and is) the cross platform API standard. It's just that the Linux guys didn't want to put effort into OSS because the perceived notion was that 4Front is a big bad proprietary company and OSS API was BSD licensed. ALSA appealed to the GPL people. The fact that ALSA had to support OSS API before it was allowed into the Linux kernel implies that OSS API is still the "de-facto" standard for all UNIX operating systems. > > BROING!!! MIDI is *the* single most important aspect of music creation > for most people. I'm astonished to see such a statement. > Perhaps you should talk to people using Macs and Windows, they're all moving to samplers/vsts. Nobody creates .mid files anymore, it's all in pure digital format such as wav or mp3 or aiff. Garage band on Mac OSX has more emphasis on digital audio sequencing/sampling rather than MIDI. That said, yes, MIDI is important because it's the standard way of connecting keyboards to computers. OSS already has very good MIDI in/out support. The sequencer is lowlevel but functional and the only thing needed is a proper MIDI patchbay/router/sysex support and we plan to address that in the near future. [SNIP] > And please don't forget the amd64 platform, either. :-) > Certainly!. best regards Dev Mazumdar ----------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info@opensound.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 19:19:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C998716A4D5 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:19:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E07D43D31 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:19:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metal_man@mail.ru) Received: from [217.118.66.254] (port=55672 helo=METALLER) by mx2.mail.ru with smtp id 1BlBlP-000OFJ-00; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:19:29 +0400 Message-ID: <000401c46aa0$ae67b400$b04b13ac@METALLER> From: "Dmitriy Startsev" To: , "4Front Technologies" References: <40F6C29F.50004@opensound.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:19:36 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook 2004 (HL) 6.0.2600.32000 - 17/4/2004 06:54:21 Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any oftheportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:19:31 -0000 Hello, 4Front! You wrote to on Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:45:03 -0700: FT> Perhaps you should talk to people using Macs and Windows, they're all FT> moving to samplers/vsts. Nobody creates .mid files anymore, it's all in FT> pure digital format such as wav or mp3 or aiff. Garage band on Mac OSX FT> has more emphasis on digital audio sequencing/sampling rather than FT> MIDI. Wrong. Wavs are final products, but .mid files are powerful "development" tool. They are used to synchronize things, to make arrangements, etc. Some people create reference midi files before recording real instruments, others simply create drum tracks to use computer as a drum machine. Yes, samplers are commonly used to play .mid files, but MIDI is still useful for sync purposes. With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 23:04:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635F716A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:04:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BE543D2F for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:04:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dev@opensound.com) Received: from [192.1.2.22] (c-24-127-17-145.we.client2.attbi.com[24.127.17.145]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20040715230411013003hvtte> (Authid: opensound); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:04:11 +0000 Message-ID: <40F70D67.80905@opensound.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:04:07 -0700 From: 4Front Technologies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: conrads@cox.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any of theportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:04:12 -0000 Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > Speaking of which, I was browsing 4Front's site the other day and was a > little disappointed to see that even the existing FreeBSD support is > not available for amd64. Is that likely to change anytime in the > future? > Hi Conrad, I just got FreeBSD/AMD64 installed however the KLD support isn't working or implemented. Just to make sure that it wasn't an OSS issue, I tried using the /usr/share/examples/kld/cdev as a test to see and it fails as well. I just asked a question on freebsd-amd64 to see if anybody had ideas: > We are trying to get Open Sound System modules compiled under FreeBSD/AMD64. > I looked at the /usr/share/examples/kld/cdev example and it fails to link: > > ld: cdev.kld: relocation R_X86_64_32S can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC > cdev.kld: could not read symbols: Bad value > > If I add -fPIC to the compile files (I have to remove -mcmodel=kernel and -no-redzone) then the module links but running kldload cdev.ko causes: > > kldload: unexpected relocation type 7 > link_elf: symbol copyinstr undefined > > We are seeing the same problems in our OSS modules. So is there any work going on to add KLD support for FreeBSD/AMD64? > So looks like OSS support for FreeBSD/AMD64 cannot progress until KLDs work. best regards Dev Mazumdar ----------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA. Tel: (310) 202 8530 URL: www.opensound.com Fax: (310) 202 0496 Email: info@opensound.com ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 00:03:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90F216A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:03:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 87A6743D3F for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:03:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from normal1@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r62so594637cwc for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.120.80 with SMTP id s80mr155953cwc; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7df4e19b0407151703116089a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:03:13 -0700 From: gabriel dandrades To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FXTV and no Audio (again) X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:03:13 -0000 I know this has been discussed widely on this list and many others around the globe but well, I got a TV capture card a couple of days ago, compiled the kernel and configured according to the FreeBSD handbook TV capture card section. Upon boot up the card and drivers all seem to work in harmony and all so I went ahead and installed FXTV since it was the simplest application I found to test it out, I really don't need great GUI so FXTV works fine, anyway I have great video but absolutely NO AUDIO, here's what I've tried: * Tried plugging in headphones into the audio out jack in the TV card - no go * Tried plugging in headphones into the audio out jack in the sound card - no go * Tried setting the volumes on the "mixer" to 100:100 and also the rest (i.e. line, line1 etc..) - no go * Tried using fxtv with the different mixer channels and no go either * Also tried using a diff sound device and well, that didn't work So you see guys, I've tried quite a bit, I've googled the world and over and still nothing, has any one got a good solution for this issue? ** ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING WILL BE APPRECIATED ** Here is my dmesg output regarding the TV card: bktr0: mem 0xf6000000-0xf6000fff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci2 iicbb0: on bti2c0 iicbus0: on iicbb0 master-only iicbus1: on iicbb0 master-only smbus0: on bti2c0 bktr0: IMS TV Turbo, Philips FR1236 NTSC FM tuner Here's the fxtv --debug startup output: Fxtv v1.03 DETECTED CAPTURE CARD(S) [DRIVER PROBES]: bktr0: mem 0xf6000000-0xf6000fff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci2 iicbb0: on bti2c0 bktr0: IMS TV Turbo, Philips FR1236 NTSC FM tuner. xl0: <3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xec80-0xecff mem 0xfbfffc00-0xfbfffc7f irq 5 at device 12.0 on pci2 SYSCTL MIB VALUES: kern.version: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #3: Wed Jul 14 18:40:17 PDT 2004 root@strange.normal1.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/STRANGE hw.bt848.card: -1 hw.bt848.tuner: -1 hw.bt848.reverse_mute: -1 hw.bt848.format: -1 hw.bt848.slow_msp_audio: -1 TUNER SIGNATURE (0x01 - 0xff): 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 TUNER I2C DEVICES FOUND AT: 0xc2 CAPTURE CARD EEPROM CONTENTS: Read 0 EEPROM byte SUPPORTED FREQUENCY SETS: 1 nabcst 2 cableirc 3 cablehrc 4 weurope 5 jpnbcst 6 jpncable 7 xussr 8 australia 9 france Supported RGB Capture Pixel Formats: bpp Bpp RGB Masks Swap --- --- ---------------------------- ---- 15 2 00007c00, 000003e0, 0000001f NB 16 2 0000f800, 000007e0, 0000001f NB 24 3 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff B 24 4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff NBWb Supported YUV Capture Pixel Formats: YUVSize HSamp VSamp Pack CompOrder T->B L->R YTrans ------- ----- ----- ------ --------- ---- ---- ------ 8,8,8 1,2,2 1,1,1 PLANAR YUV Y Y N 8,8,8 1,2,2 1,1,1 PACKED YUYV Y Y N 8,8,8 1,2,2 1,2,2 PLANAR YUV Y Y N XSERVER: 'The XFree86 Project, Inc' v40300000, Protocol Verson 11.0 Screen Res = 1024x768, DefDepth = 24; NumScreens = 1 Bitmap Unit/BitOrder/Pad = 32/LSBFirst/32, Image ByteOrder = LSBFirst XF86DGAQueryVersion() succeeded - vers = 2.00 BaseAddr = 0xf4000000, Pitch = 1024, BankSize/RamSize = 16777216/16777216 Rating Available Visuals: Rating Class bpp Bpp R,G,B Masks Swap DirectVid ------ ----------- --- --- ---------------------------- ---- --------- 7 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- Yes 4 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No 4 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No 4 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No Chosen Visual is 24-bpp TrueColor XF86VidModeQueryVersion() succeeded - version = 2.02 Cheers!! -gabriel From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 00:39:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA0B16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:39:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rachors.com (w179.z208177163.sea-wa.dsl.cnc.net [208.177.163.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E0943D49 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:39:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from george@rachors.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.rt.rain.com [127.0.0.1]) by rachors.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id i6G0dXP22189; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:39:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from george@rachors.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "George Leo Rachor Jr." To: gabriel dandrades In-Reply-To: <7df4e19b0407151703116089a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FXTV and no Audio (again) X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:39:39 -0000 I'm mainly a lurker here but have you tried: My Hauppage setup reqires that a jumper the audio-out connection on the tvcard to line-in on the sound card. A long time ago fxtv worked for me but that jumper was required. That short jumper cable came with my tv card.... Best Regards, George Rachor Not a Freebsd expert! ========================================================= George L. Rachor Jr. george@rachors.com Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, gabriel dandrades wrote: > I know this has been discussed widely on this list and many others > around the globe but well, I got a TV capture card a couple of days > ago, compiled the kernel and configured according to the FreeBSD > handbook TV capture card section. Upon boot up the card and drivers > all seem to work in harmony and all so I went ahead and installed > FXTV since it was the simplest application I found to test it out, I > really don't need great GUI so FXTV works fine, anyway I have great > video but absolutely NO AUDIO, here's what I've tried: > > * Tried plugging in headphones into the audio out jack in the TV card - no go > * Tried plugging in headphones into the audio out jack in the sound card - no go > * Tried setting the volumes on the "mixer" to 100:100 and also the > rest (i.e. line, line1 etc..) - no go > * Tried using fxtv with the different mixer channels and no go either > * Also tried using a diff sound device and well, that didn't work > > So you see guys, I've tried quite a bit, I've googled the world and > over and still nothing, has any one got a good solution for this > issue? ** ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING WILL BE APPRECIATED ** > > Here is my dmesg output regarding the TV card: > > bktr0: mem 0xf6000000-0xf6000fff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci2 > iicbb0: on bti2c0 > iicbus0: on iicbb0 master-only > iicbus1: on iicbb0 master-only > smbus0: on bti2c0 > bktr0: IMS TV Turbo, Philips FR1236 NTSC FM tuner > > > Here's the fxtv --debug startup output: > > > Fxtv v1.03 > > DETECTED CAPTURE CARD(S) [DRIVER PROBES]: > bktr0: mem 0xf6000000-0xf6000fff irq 10 at device > 8.0 on pci2 > iicbb0: on bti2c0 > bktr0: IMS TV Turbo, Philips FR1236 NTSC FM tuner. > xl0: <3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xec80-0xecff mem > 0xfbfffc00-0xfbfffc7f irq 5 at device 12.0 on pci2 > > SYSCTL MIB VALUES: > kern.version: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #3: Wed Jul 14 18:40:17 PDT 2004 > root@strange.normal1.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/STRANGE > > hw.bt848.card: -1 > hw.bt848.tuner: -1 > hw.bt848.reverse_mute: -1 > hw.bt848.format: -1 > hw.bt848.slow_msp_audio: -1 > > TUNER SIGNATURE (0x01 - 0xff): > 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 > > TUNER I2C DEVICES FOUND AT: > 0xc2 > > CAPTURE CARD EEPROM CONTENTS: > Read 0 EEPROM byte > SUPPORTED FREQUENCY SETS: > 1 nabcst > 2 cableirc > 3 cablehrc > 4 weurope > 5 jpnbcst > 6 jpncable > 7 xussr > 8 australia > 9 france > > Supported RGB Capture Pixel Formats: > bpp Bpp RGB Masks Swap > --- --- ---------------------------- ---- > 15 2 00007c00, 000003e0, 0000001f NB > 16 2 0000f800, 000007e0, 0000001f NB > 24 3 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff B > 24 4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff NBWb > > Supported YUV Capture Pixel Formats: > YUVSize HSamp VSamp Pack CompOrder T->B L->R YTrans > ------- ----- ----- ------ --------- ---- ---- ------ > 8,8,8 1,2,2 1,1,1 PLANAR YUV Y Y N > 8,8,8 1,2,2 1,1,1 PACKED YUYV Y Y N > 8,8,8 1,2,2 1,2,2 PLANAR YUV Y Y N > XSERVER: 'The XFree86 Project, Inc' v40300000, Protocol Verson 11.0 > Screen Res = 1024x768, DefDepth = 24; NumScreens = 1 > Bitmap Unit/BitOrder/Pad = 32/LSBFirst/32, Image ByteOrder = LSBFirst > > XF86DGAQueryVersion() succeeded - vers = 2.00 > BaseAddr = 0xf4000000, Pitch = 1024, BankSize/RamSize = 16777216/16777216 > > Rating Available Visuals: > Rating Class bpp Bpp R,G,B Masks Swap DirectVid > ------ ----------- --- --- ---------------------------- ---- --------- > 7 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- Yes > 4 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > 4 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > 4 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > Chosen Visual is 24-bpp TrueColor > > XF86VidModeQueryVersion() succeeded - version = 2.02 > > > > > Cheers!! > > -gabriel > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-multimedia > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-multimedia-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 01:02:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0021E16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:02:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DDB5C43D45 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:02:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from normal1@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r62so595486cwc for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.27 with SMTP id p27mr443663cwc; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7df4e19b040715180234084f68@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:02:07 -0700 From: gabriel dandrades To: "George Leo Rachor Jr." In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FXTV and no Audio (again) X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:02:08 -0000 All I have that even resembles what you're referring to is a cd-in and cd-out jumper thingie but, no cable. Also, theres no real way I can use that cable to go into line-in on the sound card since its onboard. Thanks for the suggestion! On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:39:33 -0700 (PDT), George Leo Rachor Jr. wrote: > I'm mainly a lurker here but have you tried: > > My Hauppage setup reqires that a jumper the audio-out connection on the > tvcard to line-in on the sound card. > > A long time ago fxtv worked for me but that jumper was required. That > short jumper cable came with my tv card.... > > Best Regards, > > George Rachor > Not a Freebsd expert! > > ========================================================= > George L. Rachor Jr. george@rachors.com > Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com > United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX > > > > On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, gabriel dandrades wrote: > > > I know this has been discussed widely on this list and many others > > around the globe but well, I got a TV capture card a couple of days > > ago, compiled the kernel and configured according to the FreeBSD > > handbook TV capture card section. Upon boot up the card and drivers > > all seem to work in harmony and all so I went ahead and installed > > FXTV since it was the simplest application I found to test it out, I > > really don't need great GUI so FXTV works fine, anyway I have great > > video but absolutely NO AUDIO, here's what I've tried: > > > > * Tried plugging in headphones into the audio out jack in the TV card - no go > > * Tried plugging in headphones into the audio out jack in the sound card - no go > > * Tried setting the volumes on the "mixer" to 100:100 and also the > > rest (i.e. line, line1 etc..) - no go > > * Tried using fxtv with the different mixer channels and no go either > > * Also tried using a diff sound device and well, that didn't work > > > > So you see guys, I've tried quite a bit, I've googled the world and > > over and still nothing, has any one got a good solution for this > > issue? ** ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING WILL BE APPRECIATED ** > > > > Here is my dmesg output regarding the TV card: > > > > bktr0: mem 0xf6000000-0xf6000fff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci2 > > iicbb0: on bti2c0 > > iicbus0: on iicbb0 master-only > > iicbus1: on iicbb0 master-only > > smbus0: on bti2c0 > > bktr0: IMS TV Turbo, Philips FR1236 NTSC FM tuner > > > > > > Here's the fxtv --debug startup output: > > > > > > Fxtv v1.03 > > > > DETECTED CAPTURE CARD(S) [DRIVER PROBES]: > > bktr0: mem 0xf6000000-0xf6000fff irq 10 at device > > 8.0 on pci2 > > iicbb0: on bti2c0 > > bktr0: IMS TV Turbo, Philips FR1236 NTSC FM tuner. > > xl0: <3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xec80-0xecff mem > > 0xfbfffc00-0xfbfffc7f irq 5 at device 12.0 on pci2 > > > > SYSCTL MIB VALUES: > > kern.version: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #3: Wed Jul 14 18:40:17 PDT 2004 > > root@strange.normal1.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/STRANGE > > > > hw.bt848.card: -1 > > hw.bt848.tuner: -1 > > hw.bt848.reverse_mute: -1 > > hw.bt848.format: -1 > > hw.bt848.slow_msp_audio: -1 > > > > TUNER SIGNATURE (0x01 - 0xff): > > 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 > > > > TUNER I2C DEVICES FOUND AT: > > 0xc2 > > > > CAPTURE CARD EEPROM CONTENTS: > > Read 0 EEPROM byte > > SUPPORTED FREQUENCY SETS: > > 1 nabcst > > 2 cableirc > > 3 cablehrc > > 4 weurope > > 5 jpnbcst > > 6 jpncable > > 7 xussr > > 8 australia > > 9 france > > > > Supported RGB Capture Pixel Formats: > > bpp Bpp RGB Masks Swap > > --- --- ---------------------------- ---- > > 15 2 00007c00, 000003e0, 0000001f NB > > 16 2 0000f800, 000007e0, 0000001f NB > > 24 3 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff B > > 24 4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff NBWb > > > > Supported YUV Capture Pixel Formats: > > YUVSize HSamp VSamp Pack CompOrder T->B L->R YTrans > > ------- ----- ----- ------ --------- ---- ---- ------ > > 8,8,8 1,2,2 1,1,1 PLANAR YUV Y Y N > > 8,8,8 1,2,2 1,1,1 PACKED YUYV Y Y N > > 8,8,8 1,2,2 1,2,2 PLANAR YUV Y Y N > > XSERVER: 'The XFree86 Project, Inc' v40300000, Protocol Verson 11.0 > > Screen Res = 1024x768, DefDepth = 24; NumScreens = 1 > > Bitmap Unit/BitOrder/Pad = 32/LSBFirst/32, Image ByteOrder = LSBFirst > > > > XF86DGAQueryVersion() succeeded - vers = 2.00 > > BaseAddr = 0xf4000000, Pitch = 1024, BankSize/RamSize = 16777216/16777216 > > > > Rating Available Visuals: > > Rating Class bpp Bpp R,G,B Masks Swap DirectVid > > ------ ----------- --- --- ---------------------------- ---- --------- > > 7 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- Yes > > 4 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > > 4 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > > 4 TrueColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > > 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > > 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > > 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > > 0 DirectColor 24 4,4 00ff0000, 0000ff00, 000000ff -- No > > Chosen Visual is 24-bpp TrueColor > > > > XF86VidModeQueryVersion() succeeded - version = 2.02 > > > > > > > > > > Cheers!! > > > > -gabriel > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-multimedia > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-multimedia-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- -gabriel From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 01:06:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1761516A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:06:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gw.visp.com.au (gw.visp.com.au [202.6.158.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D02543D1D for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:06:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tim@spyderweb.com.au) Received: from bofh.spyderweb.com.au (202-6-150-37.ip.visp.com.au [202.6.150.37] (may be forged)) by gw.visp.com.au (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i6G163Mj031465 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:36:04 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from tim@spyderweb.com.au) Received: from spyderweb.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1])i6G15vB4003088 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:35:59 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from tim@spyderweb.com.au) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:35:57 +0930 From: Tim Aslat To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040716103557.331f8473@bofh.spyderweb.com.au> In-Reply-To: <7df4e19b0407151703116089a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <7df4e19b0407151703116089a4@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Spyderweb Consulting X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FXTV and no Audio (again) X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:06:03 -0000 In the immortal words of gabriel dandrades ... > * Tried plugging in headphones into the audio out jack in the TV card > - no go* Tried plugging in headphones into the audio out jack in the > sound card - no go* Tried setting the volumes on the "mixer" to > 100:100 and also the rest (i.e. line, line1 etc..) - no go > * Tried using fxtv with the different mixer channels and no go either > * Also tried using a diff sound device and well, that didn't work >From the mixer man page: mixer [-f device] [-s] {^|+|-|=}rec rdev ... ^rec toggles rdev of possible recording devices +rec adds rdev to possible recording devices -rec removes rdev from possible recording devices =rec sets the recording device to rdev Try using swapping the input to line or mic, and see if that makes a difference. I know I have to mess about with this to get my BT878 card working. Cheers Tim -- Tim Aslat Spyderweb Consulting http://www.spyderweb.com.au Phone: +61 0401088479 From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 05:26:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC45E16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:26:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail12.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail12.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AD9743D1D for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:26:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: (qmail 11440 messnum 6490995 invoked from network[159.134.254.90/159-134-254-90.as1.nas.naas.eircom.net]); 16 Jul 2004 05:26:19 -0000 Received: from 159-134-254-90.as1.nas.naas.eircom.net (HELO localhost) (159.134.254.90) by mail12.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 11440) with SMTP; 16 Jul 2004 05:26:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:26:17 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: gabriel dandrades Message-Id: <20040716062617.66fc472c.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <7df4e19b0407151703116089a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <7df4e19b0407151703116089a4@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX,Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FXTV and no Audio (again) X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:26:21 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:03:13 -0700 gabriel dandrades wrote: > FXTV since it was the simplest application I found to test it out, I > really don't need great GUI so FXTV works fine, anyway I have great > video but absolutely NO AUDIO, here's what I've tried: I'm having a problem where the audio and video for each channel are on *different* frequencies. I have no solution but it might be worthwhile to see if you have a similar problem. -- C:>WIN | Solar Thermal Systems The computer obeys and wins. | http://www.soleire.com/ You lose and Bill collects. | Directable Mirror Arrays | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 16:40:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9ACE16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:40:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zebra.esosoft.net (zebra.esosoft.net [38.118.200.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A023C43D54 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:40:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from groups@xscd.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=cotopaxi) by zebra.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BlVl5-000MI6-1p for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:40:27 -0700 From: steve d To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:40:25 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> <000701c469ee$72503ad0$7b2a14ac@METALLER> <40F5B2EF.6060009@opensound.com> In-Reply-To: <40F5B2EF.6060009@opensound.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200407161040.25047.groups@xscd.com> Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any oftheportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:40:30 -0000 On Wednesday 14 July 2004 04:25 pm, Dev Mazumdar from 4Front Technologies wrote: > ... because there is so much one > can do with digital audio rather than MIDI. VSTs are huge for > professional music [...] and that's where the > action is. Your remark makes it seem like you are caught up in a fad and are ignoring some important technologies. Digital audio cannot replace MIDI or MIDI's functionality or editability. MIDI captures a performance extremely well, and can be edited after the fact much more flexibly than digital audio. It can then be used to produce digital audio that needs a minimum of editing, if any at all. Digital audio is great, but MIDI is extremely important as well, as is developing MIDI support (like MIDI via USB MIDI interfaces). > Without a good software synth, there's no point in putting > effort into MIDI so we currently focus on digital audio and > trying to make it better than anything available for > Mac/Windows/ALSA. That is a ridiculous statement. MIDI is not important without a good software synth? I was a professional musician for most of my adult life, and I have lots of MIDI and audio gear. I couldn't care less about a "soft synth," but MIDI remains very important to me. I would love to be able to use a good MIDI-and-digital-audio sequencer/editor in FreeBSD, but I have been stymied at every turn for the last 4 years since I switched to FreeBSD. As a result, I recently installed AGNULA Linux on a second hard drive, just so I could begin to use my MIDI and audio gear with my computer.   FreeBSD is still my favorite OS, but I feel like Conrad Sabatier does, frustrated with the clumsy support or lack of support for MIDI and digital audio in FreeBSD (in general). I'm not a programmer, so I can't help in that regard, but whenever I download the latest ISO images of FreeBSD, I contribute money to one of the FreeBSD development teams, about the same amount that I would have had to pay for another OS. Although the OS is superior in every other way I can think of, I am frustrated and disappointed with FreeBSD regarding music production, MIDI and digital audio. And please, if you are developing for FreeBSD, do not underrate MIDI. While it may be less important to music producers and recording technicians, it is extremely important to the musicians themselves--those who actually create the music. Thanks, Steve D NM US From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 17:50:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A4A16A502 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:50:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.129.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D11C43D1F for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:50:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (pc2-105.intern.meitner [10.3.12.105]) by meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E8A167522; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:50:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.8.4] (lofi@kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6GHoFAN084170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:50:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:50:15 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> <40F5B2EF.6060009@opensound.com> <200407161040.25047.groups@xscd.com> In-Reply-To: <200407161040.25047.groups@xscd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200407161950.15899.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_XVB+AWWWOyXUCaH"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any oftheportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:50:41 -0000 --Boundary-02=_XVB+AWWWOyXUCaH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline People, Please try to keep your replies at least marginally ontopic and constructiv= e.=20 Stating that MIDI means much to you despite the market going a different=20 direction is not ontopic. Flaming Dev when you obviously never even tried=20 4front's OSS for FreeBSD (and its existing MIDI functionality) isn't either. Again, please try to be ontopic and constructive (and somewhat informed)=20 before posting. Thanks, =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --Boundary-02=_XVB+AWWWOyXUCaH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBA+BVXXhc68WspdLARAhJ+AJ0aqHy2efANFe2rA70Y6d9VQmnmpACdEAgb E0ou5RTGCmBuDTJI4yyFMRU= =fBSq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_XVB+AWWWOyXUCaH-- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 19:10:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55D016A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:10:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02DF43D1F for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:10:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metal_man@mail.ru) Received: from [217.118.66.254] (port=18069 helo=METALLER) by mx2.mail.ru with smtp id 1BlY6N-000KcP-00 for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:10:37 +0400 Message-ID: <000901c46b68$933bff10$224514ac@METALLER> From: "Dmitriy Startsev" To: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:10:31 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook 2004 (HL) 6.0.2600.32000 - 17/4/2004 06:54:21 Subject: OSS alternative X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:10:40 -0000 Hello! 4Front OSS is not free, and therefore is not an acceptable solution for everyone. I tried to use it but was somewhat frustrated. Reminds me Windows world, where software companies think license agreement is the most important part of distribution:). When I started it, it failed to initialize my sound card (SB Live 5.1) and complained about some IRQ conflicts. But other drivers work just fine (default one from FreeBSD dist. as well as another one I downloaded somewhere else). FreeBSD is free, and IMHO it needs a free open source sound system. So my question is: does anybody know of something like that? Well, I guess not:( But without such a system FreeBSD will always be far behind Linux:((( With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 20:12:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D84516A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:12:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.tellme3times.com (dsl-yul-102.e-scape.net [209.47.218.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BE543D1D for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:12:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list@tellme3times.com) Received: from tellme3times.com (halla.tellme3times.com [192.168.7.29]) by mail.tellme3times.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3290A41F1; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40F83815.7030803@tellme3times.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:18:29 -0400 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040413) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dmitriy Startsev References: <000901c46b68$933bff10$224514ac@METALLER> In-Reply-To: <000901c46b68$933bff10$224514ac@METALLER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OSS alternative X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:12:37 -0000 Add the following to your kernel and recompile device pcm That should do it. Dmitriy Startsev wrote: >Hello! > >4Front OSS is not free, and therefore is not an acceptable solution for >everyone. >I tried to use it but was somewhat frustrated. Reminds me Windows world, >where software companies think license agreement is the most important part >of distribution:). When I started it, it failed to initialize my sound card >(SB Live 5.1) and complained about some IRQ conflicts. But other drivers >work just fine (default one from FreeBSD dist. as well as another one I >downloaded somewhere else). > >FreeBSD is free, and IMHO it needs a free open source sound system. >So my question is: does anybody know of something like that? Well, I guess >not:( >But without such a system FreeBSD will always be far behind Linux:((( > >With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-multimedia >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-multimedia-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 22:17:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6593616A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:17:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F047943D5A for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:17:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metal_man@mail.ru) Received: from [217.118.66.254] (port=21614 helo=METALLER) by mx2.mail.ru with smtp id 1Blb0l-0006Ys-00; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:17:01 +0400 Message-ID: <000501c46b82$9d28e500$024814ac@METALLER> From: "Dmitriy Startsev" To: "Chris" References: <000901c46b68$933bff10$224514ac@METALLER> <40F83815.7030803@tellme3times.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:16:52 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook 2004 (HL) 6.0.2600.32000 - 17/4/2004 06:54:21 cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OSS alternative X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:17:03 -0000 Hello, Chris! You wrote to "Dmitriy Startsev" on Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:18:29 -0400: C> Add the following to your kernel and recompile C> device pcm C> That should do it. That shouldn't (and doesn't). 4free OSS package contains its own drivers and don't need anything else (it actually conflicts with other sound drivers). But, as I said, it complains about some strange (and non-existant) IRQ conflicts, and tries to use IRQ 255 for SBLive and fails... while other drivers work (default FreeBSD driver don't show any info about IRQ, but the other one I mentioned in my previous post uses IRQ 19). With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 00:30:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17ACB16A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:30:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B947543D45 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:30:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net (unverified [24.119.122.85]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.9b) with ESMTP id 27654765 for multiple; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:15:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:30:28 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: "Dmitriy Startsev" Message-Id: <20040716193028.3bf278d2@vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <000501c46b82$9d28e500$024814ac@METALLER> References: <000901c46b68$933bff10$224514ac@METALLER> <40F83815.7030803@tellme3times.com> <000501c46b82$9d28e500$024814ac@METALLER> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OSS alternative X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:30:26 -0000 On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:16:52 +0400 "Dmitriy Startsev" wrote: > Hello, Chris! > You wrote to "Dmitriy Startsev" on Fri, 16 Jul > 2004 16:18:29 -0400: > > C> Add the following to your kernel and recompile > > C> device pcm > > C> That should do it. > > That shouldn't (and doesn't). 4free OSS package contains its own > drivers and don't need anything else (it actually conflicts with > other sound drivers). But, as I said, it complains about some > strange (and non-existant) IRQ conflicts, and tries to use IRQ 255 > for SBLive and fails... while other drivers work (default FreeBSD > driver don't show any info about IRQ, but the other one I mentioned > in my previous post uses IRQ 19). > > With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. The previous poster was talking about not using OSS, but FreeBSD's own audio support. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 01:52:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE6B16A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 01:52:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.tellme3times.com (dsl-yul-102.e-scape.net [209.47.218.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A694443D41 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 01:52:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from list@tellme3times.com) Received: from tellme3times.com (halla.tellme3times.com [192.168.7.29]) by mail.tellme3times.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8AC40D8; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40F887D0.6070700@tellme3times.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:58:40 -0400 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040413) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dmitriy Startsev References: <000901c46b68$933bff10$224514ac@METALLER> <40F83815.7030803@tellme3times.com> <000501c46b82$9d28e500$024814ac@METALLER> In-Reply-To: <000501c46b82$9d28e500$024814ac@METALLER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OSS alternative X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 01:52:47 -0000 Follow these instructions. Add the line a mentioned at the end of the file (to keep it clean) and you should have sound. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig.html Dmitriy Startsev wrote: >Hello, Chris! >You wrote to "Dmitriy Startsev" on Fri, 16 Jul 2004 >16:18:29 -0400: > >C> Add the following to your kernel and recompile > >C> device pcm > >C> That should do it. > >That shouldn't (and doesn't). 4free OSS package contains its own drivers and >don't need anything else (it actually conflicts with other sound drivers). >But, as I said, it complains about some strange (and non-existant) IRQ >conflicts, and tries to use IRQ 255 for SBLive and fails... while other >drivers work (default FreeBSD driver don't show any info about IRQ, but the >other one I mentioned in my previous post uses IRQ 19). > >With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. > > > From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 08:22:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F7016A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:22:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E47543D2D for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:22:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metal_man@mail.ru) Received: from [217.118.66.254] (port=39809 helo=METALLER) by mx1.mail.ru with smtp id 1BlkSW-000Jgg-00; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:22:18 +0400 Message-ID: <000401c46bd7$2c1f83a0$024814ac@METALLER> From: "Dmitriy Startsev" To: "Chris" References: <000901c46b68$933bff10$224514ac@METALLER> <40F83815.7030803@tellme3times.com> <000501c46b82$9d28e500$024814ac@METALLER> <40F887D0.6070700@tellme3times.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:22:11 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook 2004 (HL) 6.0.2600.32000 - 17/4/2004 06:54:21 cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OSS alternative X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:22:20 -0000 Hello, Chris! You wrote to "Dmitriy Startsev" on Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:58:40 -0400: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig.html Native FreeBSD's audio support is too primitive (no additional channels, no SPDIF, no MIDI, etc.), but I need something more functional. And please read my posts carefully. As I said, I don't have any problems with FreeBSD's audio driver. It is 4Front OSS that doesn't work properly. With best regards, Dmitriy Startsev. From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 10:49:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2649D16A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:49:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.129.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8772443D31 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:49:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (pc2-105.intern.meitner [10.3.12.105]) by meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69876167522; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:49:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kiste.my.domain (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6HAnE5t097037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:49:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: "John L.Utz III" Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:49:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <40F59CE0.1070008@opensound.com> <200407161950.15899.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> <86pt6v9jfi.wl%john@utzweb.net> In-Reply-To: <86pt6v9jfi.wl%john@utzweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_oQQ+A9/cGRjShp1"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407171249.13197.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does anyone compose music using any oftheportsfromthe/ports/audio collection in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:49:26 -0000 --Boundary-02=_oQQ+A9/cGRjShp1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline *sigh* I originally invited Dev to comment in this thread about the current=20 development/state of OSS because some people suggested changing the API of= =20 our soundsystem. Dev made a remark about further improving the MIDI support= =20 of their product _not being a top priority_ at the moment, because they wan= t=20 to pave the way for modern digital audio technology based on OSS first and= =20 everybody seems to have just read that remark, or half of it, and=20 misunderstood it to boot. I'm sure you all know this, John, but perhaps I should clear it up a bit fo= r=20 the occasional readers of this list and those who are perhaps only starting= =20 out with this whole multimedia thing: OSS is two things: It's 1.) The Open Sound System, a commercial software=20 product that contains sound drivers for a wide variety of hardware, develop= ed=20 by 4Front Technologies. It is available for many UNIX flavours, including -= =20 for more information see their website, http://www.opensound.com. OSS is also 2.)Tthe commonly used name for the API defined by this product.= =20 Many sound drivers and driver frameworks are source and binary compatible t= o=20 this API, including FreeBSD's and Linux'. So when Dev Mazumdar discusses features and future directions of OSS, he=20 discusses the _product_. That's why discussing the future development of MI= DI=20 support like it has happened here is offtopic - it's the future development= =20 of the OSS product, discussing it should happen at 4front's facilities and= =20 between 4front developers and (prospective) customers.=20 Dev is at the moment not at all involved in actual development of FreeBSD's= =20 _own_ sound driver framework (except trying to coordinate some API-related= =20 issues). The development of OUR stuff, including getting MIDI support back= =20 into FreeBSD's own sound drivers, is currently done by people like Matthew= =20 Kanner and Seigo Tanimura and it's happening in FreeBSD-CURRENT. =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --Boundary-02=_oQQ+A9/cGRjShp1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBA+QQoXhc68WspdLARAlOhAJ0S/A/CCxVhgt8ele/CiyCvFXTQ8wCeLkX2 O2wTYBsx0+yeulj/NtviCWE= =hjtA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_oQQ+A9/cGRjShp1-- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 11:25:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EA816A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:25:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.129.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230E743D2F for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:25:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (pc2-105.intern.meitner [10.3.12.105]) by meitner.wh.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36647167522; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:25:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kiste.my.domain (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6HBPj5t097506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:25:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:25:37 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040629075337.81BEF16A4CF@hub.freebsd.org> <20040702173658.16f4ac5a@Magellan.Leidinger.net> <20040702164245.GF28342@cnd.mcgill.ca> In-Reply-To: <20040702164245.GF28342@cnd.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_4yQ+AIoHVfdQ9Fj"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407171325.44603.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: Alexander Leidinger cc: Mathew Kanner Subject: Re: unimplemented sound ioctl X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:25:55 -0000 --Boundary-02=_4yQ+AIoHVfdQ9Fj Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0If someone has a commit-bit please do it. =A0I won't = be able to > > commit anything for a at least a couple of weeks. >=20 > Done. Mat, Alexander: Perhaps you could make a similar arrangement for committing=20 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D59233 ? =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --Boundary-02=_4yQ+AIoHVfdQ9Fj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBA+Qy4Xhc68WspdLARAhbhAJwI4wHr4AY0Ou/BbPgv19trCsKcxQCffFe9 eLtgqvqnuPnWocURbqeQjsA= =R/3s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_4yQ+AIoHVfdQ9Fj-- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 14:38:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4860616A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:38:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB90743D41 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:38:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BlqKL-0000Ch-00; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:38:13 +0200 Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (ZwnRiiZJwe1rm5Ec977oNEq8XCPwsTLcEcPW0UUV7bvOt4D+hBLtgy@[217.83.19.62]) by fmrl08.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1BlqKK-0don5c0; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:38:12 +0200 Received: from Magellan.Leidinger.net (Magellan.Leidinger.net [192.168.1.1]) i6HEcCDC037539; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:38:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:38:31 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Michael Nottebrock Message-Id: <20040717163831.66a6f640@Magellan.Leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: <200407171325.44603.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> References: <20040629075337.81BEF16A4CF@hub.freebsd.org> <20040702173658.16f4ac5a@Magellan.Leidinger.net> <20040702164245.GF28342@cnd.mcgill.ca> <200407171325.44603.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ID: ZwnRiiZJwe1rm5Ec977oNEq8XCPwsTLcEcPW0UUV7bvOt4D+hBLtgy@t-dialin.net cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org cc: Mathew Kanner Subject: Re: unimplemented sound ioctl X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:38:19 -0000 On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:25:37 +0200 Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0If someone has a commit-bit please do it. =A0I won'= t be able to > > > commit anything for a at least a couple of weeks. > >=20 > > Done. >=20 > Mat, Alexander: >=20 > Perhaps you could make a similar arrangement for committing=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D59233 ? I don't have a -stable box with a soundcard (and I don't know how to test it), but I can MFC it. I would like to MFC the SNDCTL_DSP_SETDUPLEX bits too. Someone just needs to hand out an approval... Bye, Alexander. --=20 I'm available to get hired (preferred in .lu). http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint =3D C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 23:08:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2147816A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:08:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F273A43D1F for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:08:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from welchsm@earthlink.net) Received: from [66.173.16.12] (helo=NitroPhys.welchsmnet.net) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1BlyHf-0007ld-8S; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:08:01 -0700 Received: from NitroPhys.welchsmnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i6HN7I2F003216; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:07:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from welchsm@localhost.welchsmnet.net) Received: (from welchsm@localhost)i6HN7Hqh003215; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:07:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from welchsm) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:07:17 -0500 From: Sean Welch To: John-Mark Gurney Message-ID: <20040717230717.GA3193@NitroPhys.welchsmnet.net> References: <20030714064137.GT35337@funkthat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030714064137.GT35337@funkthat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-ELNK-Trace: 15d86f98c8ef8acad780f4a490ca69564776905774d2ac4be26b054dac8e61ea79429c18a7992410350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.173.16.12 cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: BSD video capture (again!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:08:01 -0000 It has been a while and I was wondering if there had been any progress on a video framework? I checked this page: http://people.freebsd.org/~jmg/videobsd.html but didn't see anything new and the page claims it hasn't been modified since December. Is there anything I could help test? Sean From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 23:21:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7725B16A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:21:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0576B43D46 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:21:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from elischer.org (adsl-68-121-219-69.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [68.121.219.69])i6HNLjKn218476; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:21:46 -0400 Message-ID: <40F9B489.2030504@elischer.org> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:21:45 -0700 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030524 X-Accept-Language: en, hu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org References: <20030714064137.GT35337@funkthat.com> <20040717230717.GA3193@NitroPhys.welchsmnet.net> In-Reply-To: <20040717230717.GA3193@NitroPhys.welchsmnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org cc: John-Mark Gurney Subject: Re: BSD video capture (again!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:21:57 -0000 Sean Welch wrote: >It has been a while and I was wondering if there had been any >progress on a video framework? I checked this page: > >http://people.freebsd.org/~jmg/videobsd.html > >but didn't see anything new and the page claims it hasn't been >modified since December. > >Is there anything I could help test? > I am trying to get threading to a clean state so it can survive without me ;-) and after that I want to get into video.. probably the wise thing is to implement somethignt hat has compatibility with v4lv2 (video for linux version 2) though I believe that one could do a LOT better than that as a video framework. This is because there are a LOT of drivers for Linux using the v4l-2 API. > >Sean > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-multimedia >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-multimedia-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >