From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 25 00:10:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618A816A4CE; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFE643D53; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D902AE076; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98125-03; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3826EAE046; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040425071003.3826EAE046@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-04-04 - 2004-04-24 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:10:10 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 25 10:36:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6D516A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay2-f23.bay2.hotmail.com [65.54.247.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7263D43D39 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:36:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmwassman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:36:19 -0700 Received: from 24.250.252.89 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:36:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.250.252.89] X-Originating-Email: [dmwassman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dmwassman@hotmail.com From: "David Wassman" To: kdk@daleco.biz Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:36:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2004 17:36:19.0269 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1703750:01C42AEB] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compaq Presario 1610 known problems with X? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:36:19 -0000 Thanks for the response. I guess more info would have been nice. It was 4 in the morning and I didn't have a clear head. I tried 4.8 as I stated and it is working fine with GNome (a little slow but not too bad). >From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." >To: David Wassman >CC: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Compaq Presario 1610 known problems with X? >Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:00:18 -0500 > >David Wassman wrote: > >>I don't know if this is the correct list. Here is my question: >> > >It's OK not to know, if you don't know. Just so you >know, it should probably be "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org", >y'know? :-) > >Who knows, if I know anything, I might even answer >you over there .... > >>I am trying to install FreeBSD (version 5.2.1 but I am going to try and >>install >>4.8 later tonight). I am having problems installing either kde or Gnome >>because >>files for X are not be installed. I am trying this on a Compaq 1610 >>(P1MMX, >>1.5G HD, 80M RAM). I known its an old system but I want to get it up as a >>web browser/wordprocessor. Any idea why this is not working would be >>helpful. > >When you post to the freebsd-questions list, include not only >the information you have above, but also things like: > >1. What procedure are you following to install FreeBSD, >and at what point does your procedure fail? Are there >any error messages? > >2. What steps are you taking to install KDE or Gnome? >How do you know that "files for X are not be(ing?) installed? >Error messages? Messages in logs, or to console? > >The general procedure for installation is to get FreeBSD >installed first, and then add 3rd party programs like X >and GNOME or KDE (probably not both on a box like that; >AAMOF, something lighterweight like blackbox/fluxbox >or fvwm, or maybe even XFCE would probably run better >on a Pentium 1).... > >HTH, > >Kevin Kinsey >DaleCo, S.P. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar – FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 25 19:43:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8313F16A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop3.newson.co.jp (pop3.newson.co.jp [202.234.132.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB47243D46 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nathan_butcher@newson.co.jp) Received: from mail.newson.co.jp (E-Mail-VirusWall [192.168.0.12]) by pop3.newson.co.jp (Postfix) with SMTP id E77D51013BE for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:47:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from 192.168.0.23 by mail.newson.co.jp (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:34:20 +0900 Received: from Nssbutcher (unknown [192.168.32.110]) by smtp.newson.co.jp (Postfix) with SMTP id F0909FBDD9 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:43:05 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <002201c42b39$a8711510$6e20a8c0@Nssbutcher> From: "Nathan Butcher" To: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:53:30 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPartTM-000-ba7b9758-098c-43f9-adb5-a5f642aeea9f" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: USB flash memory mounting X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 02:43:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPartTM-000-ba7b9758-098c-43f9-adb5-a5f642aeea9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do you mount a USB flash memory stick into a FreeBSD system. I am using FreeBSD 4.9 I know how to do this in Linux, but the Linux way doesn't seem to be the BSD way. I inserted the stick and got told that it was da1. What I did was to edit /etc/fstab and make this entry:- /dev/da1 /mnt msdos noauto,user,umask=0 0 0 that didn't work. I got some error about Inappropriate file type or format. Changed filetype to vfat and that didn't work either like it does in Linux. So what is the filetype I should use? ------=_NextPartTM-000-ba7b9758-098c-43f9-adb5-a5f642aeea9f-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 26 17:05:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E8B16A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6347243D3F for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbarr@cisco.com) Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Apr 2004 17:05:14 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from kbarrw2k (dhcp-10-85-29-133.cisco.com [10.85.29.133]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i3R05JYu029855 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kenneth Barr (kbarr)" To: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:05:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c42beb$5d84f500$851d550a@amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.5709 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Subject: Login Prompt question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:05:23 -0000 I am trying to run FreeBSC headless, without monitor and keyboard. My serial interface looks correct: sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A, console I believe the boot.config is set correct cat /boot.config -h When the PC boots all the boot info is sent to serial, also to "Hit [Enter] to boot immediately..." works when I hit enter. The problem is I never get a login prompt, it stops at the date readout. Login through ethernet works but takes a very long time for login prompt. Ken From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 26 19:18:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2779416A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08C843D41 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbarr@cisco.com) Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Apr 2004 19:19:44 -0700 Received: from kbarrw2k (sjc-vpn4-923.cisco.com [10.21.83.154]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i3R2If0Q020283 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:18:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kenneth Barr (kbarr)" To: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:18:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c42bfd$fddf8120$6401a8c0@amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.5709 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Subject: RE: Login Prompt question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:18:43 -0000 Got it. In /etc/ttys Change: console none unknown off secure To: console "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure Ken -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Barr (kbarr) [mailto:kbarr@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:06 PM To: 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org' Subject: Login Prompt question I am trying to run FreeBSC headless, without monitor and keyboard. My serial interface looks correct: sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A, console I believe the boot.config is set correct cat /boot.config -h When the PC boots all the boot info is sent to serial, also to "Hit [Enter] to boot immediately..." works when I hit enter. The problem is I never get a login prompt, it stops at the date readout. Login through ethernet works but takes a very long time for login prompt. Ken From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 27 10:46:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7230016A4CF for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E2843D66 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:46:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:1816) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIWeh-0005fj-5r; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:46:03 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:35:32 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-123.acuson.com ([157.226.46.123]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id JANG692D; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:34:02 -0700 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:43:46 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <002201c42b39$a8711510$6e20a8c0@Nssbutcher> In-Reply-To: <002201c42b39$a8711510$6e20a8c0@Nssbutcher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404271043.46561.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> cc: Nathan Butcher Subject: Re: USB flash memory mounting X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:46:31 -0000 On Sunday 25 April 2004 07:53 pm, Nathan Butcher wrote: > I inserted the stick and got told that it was da1. What I did was to > edit /etc/fstab and make this entry:- > > /dev/da1 /mnt msdos noauto,user,umask=0 0 0 > > that didn't work. I got some error about Inappropriate file type or > format. Changed filetype to vfat and that didn't work either like it > does in Linux. /dev/da1 is not what you want. That's the device, but it doesn't specify the slice. The umass driver treats the memory stick like a SCSI harddrive, so your mount command should also treat it like a harddrive. You should be using "da1s1" or similar instead. (In UNIX terminology, a "slice" is roughly equivalent to a DOS primary partition.) David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 28 10:45:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF79316A4CE for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web41508.mail.yahoo.com (web41508.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B465D43D5F for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:45:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcaffey_fl@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040428174548.28578.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.8.2.98] by web41508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:45:48 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dominic Caffey To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: bzflag under FreeBSD release 5.2.1 - can't open display - missing GLX extension... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:45:50 -0000 Dear FreeBSD Newbies, I installed the game "bzflag" from the packages collection under games. The install went fine but when I try to run "bzflag" it complains that it can't open display 0:0 and complains that it's missing GLX extension. When I installed "bzflag" shouldn't the dependencies have been automagically resolved? I've got Xwindows running without problems and am using the VESA driver. I'm using the i386 release of ver 5.2.1. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Dom __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 29 13:44:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABECC16A4CE for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f54.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC3B43D41 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:44:22 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:44:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:44:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2004 20:44:22.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[C049C260:01C42E2A] Subject: Re: bzflag under FreeBSD release 5.2.1 - can't open display - missing GLX extens X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:44:22 -0000 On April 28, 2004, Dominic Caffey wrote: > >Dear FreeBSD Newbies, > > I installed the game "bzflag" from the >packages collection under games. The install >went fine but when I try to run "bzflag" it >complains that it can't open display 0:0 and >complains that it's missing GLX extension. When >I installed "bzflag" shouldn't the dependencies >have been automagically resolved? I've got >Xwindows running without problems and am using >the VESA driver. I'm using the i386 release of >ver 5.2.1. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > Follow-up posted to -questions. Please use that thread for any other replies. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 30 19:10:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7EB16A4CF for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5E343D45 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i412ALON088743 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i412AK3k088705 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200405010210.i412AK3k088705@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 02:10:21 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. 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If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. 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