From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 9 00:10:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072E816A4CE; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDD543D54; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933E3AE0C8; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 54843-05; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 55C52AE0C4; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040509071002.55C52AE0C4@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-04-18 - 2004-05-08 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 07:10:11 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 11 18:43:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245AF16A4CE for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B15243D1D for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kh-gokuu@mn.rr.com) Received: from cerberus (CPE-24-163-162-32.mn.rr.com [24.163.162.32]) i4C1hD9W020445 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 20:43:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002101c437c2$da975370$0200a8c0@cerberus> From: "Kern Handa" To: Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:45:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Ethernet configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 01:43:16 -0000 Hi! I've recently migrated to FreeBSD (i386 arch) and have a NVIDIA = nForce MCP Networking Adapter. I did not see this card in the ethernet = card list that is supported by the kernel (unless I missed it), and as = such was wondering if there is a generic driver for cards that are not = supported. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 11 22:36:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133CC16A4CE for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web61203.mail.yahoo.com (web61203.mail.yahoo.com [216.155.196.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A45143D1D for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:36:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gangland_1464@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040512053626.92493.qmail@web61203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.233.160.4] by web61203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:36:26 PDT Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 22:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kaveh Gh To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <002101c437c2$da975370$0200a8c0@cerberus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ethernet configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 05:36:28 -0000 Hi. I had the same problem in debian but not in FreeBSD. Anyway, the approach is general! First of all, take a look in CD of your network adapter which comes with your LAN adapter. These days, most brands, include the linux driver(module) in their proceeding CDs. Mostly they are in /Linux folder. If there is no driver, take a look in NVIDIA web page. I have seen a good archive for network/video adapter drivers in that web site. When you find the corresponding module, un-tar the module and copy of files into /temp/tmp (for example). Then goto the mentioned folder and issue the following command in terminal: make install After a few minute, the make file will generate the module(for example rhinefet.o ) copy the module into /lib/modules/[kernel version]/drivers/net and issue the following command: echo alias eth0 rhinefet >> /etc/modules.conf echo alias eth0 rhinefet >> /etc/aliases Then, issue the following command: insmod rhinefet.o modprobe rhinefet.o Now issue shutdown -h NOW and the adapter will work the next time the box comes up by FreeBSD. NOTES: 1) The addresses mentioned above are correspondng to Debian linux. I think these are the same in FreeBSD. But make sure before everythngs. 2) [kernel version] is corresponding to your kernel version. The kernel that I'm using is 2.4.18-b2.4 and yours maybe different. 3) You need to have the kernel header files. You can link the corresponding header files by linking their packages. 4) My network adapter is D-Link DFE530TX. Yours is different. So, the module of yours must be different. rhinefet is just an example that I've used above. 5) Make sure that during the compilation of the c files of modules, everything goes well. Best wishes, --- Kern Handa wrote: > Hi! I've recently migrated to FreeBSD (i386 arch) > and have a NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Adapter. I > did not see this card in the ethernet card list that > is supported by the kernel (unless I missed it), and > as such was wondering if there is a generic driver > for cards that are not supported. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ===== Kaveh Gh. Email : Kaveh_gh@mehr.sharif.edu gangland_1464@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 12 00:11:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C1816A4CE for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B28D643D60 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from plageotakes@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040512071120.45052.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.164.3.213] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:11:20 PDT Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 00:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: peter lageotakes To: Kaveh Gh , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040512053626.92493.qmail@web61203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ethernet configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 07:11:21 -0000 > --- Kern Handa wrote: > > Hi! I've recently migrated to FreeBSD (i386 arch) > > and have a NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Adapter. I > > did not see this card in the ethernet card list > that > > is supported by the kernel (unless I missed it), > and > > as such was wondering if there is a generic driver > > for cards that are not supported. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > ===== > > Kaveh Gh. > > Email : Kaveh_gh@mehr.sharif.edu > > gangland_1464@yahoo.com Hi Kaveh, I believe the driver your looking for exists in the ports collection: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/net/nvnet/pkg-descr FYI: Not too long ago, there was some discussion on the MCP driver (2-3 months). There were a few handy links in the respective emails. Pete __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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[Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays, p. 211] Hoscakalin, Ülkü mailto:ulku.sayilan@kssgm.gov.tr This e-mail was scanned by Antivirus! http://www.kssgm.gov.tr From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 12 06:43:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D3916A4CE for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from polaris.cbu.edu (polaris.cbu.edu [66.192.88.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F5DC43D3F for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:43:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mosborne@cbu.edu) Received: from cbu.edu ([192.168.10.7]) by polaris.cbu.edu (SAVSMTP 3.1.5.43) with SMTP id M2004051208411003744 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:41:10 -0500 Sender: mosborne@cbu.edu From: "mosborne" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Quality Web Email v3.1b, http://netwinsite.com/refw.htm Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:41:11 -0500 Message-id: <40a22977.1c9.2f0a.14008@cbu.edu> Subject: Need advice/direction picking a distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:43:38 -0000 Hi all, with the start of the summer here I am going to have a little more time on my hands and was wanting to dig into a new distro. Up until now I haven't had a lot of time so I have just been running man9.1 and I was now thinking about making the jump to Debian or even one of the BSD's. What I've been looking for on the net and can't seem to find is a good review of the pros/cons of a linux distro like Debian vs. say freeBSD/openBSD. They all seem to have a great informative community and thats what makes the decision harder. Please try not too be too biased in your reply. ;] thx, m. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 12 07:11:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAD416A4CE for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 07:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ganzman.no-ip.org (cable-181-97.inter.net.il [80.230.181.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FBD43D46 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 07:11:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org) Received: from [192.168.100.230] (account ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org) by ganzman.no-ip.org (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.5) with HTTP id 1130131; Wed, 12 May 2004 17:13:41 -0400 From: "Ron Ganzer" To: "mosborne" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.5 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:13:41 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40a22977.1c9.2f0a.14008@cbu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Need advice/direction picking a distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:11:46 -0000 On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:41:11 -0500 "mosborne" wrote: >*This message was transferred with a trial version of >CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >Hi all, with the start of the summer here I am going to >have >a little more time on my hands and was wanting to dig >into a >new distro. Up until now I haven't had a lot of time so I >have just been running man9.1 and I was now thinking >about >making the jump to Debian or even one of the BSD's. What >I've been looking for on the net and can't seem to find >is a >good review of the pros/cons of a linux distro like >Debian >vs. say freeBSD/openBSD. They all seem to have a great >informative community and thats what makes the decision >harder. Please try not too be too biased in your reply. >;] >thx, m. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" theres an mpeg going around of a competition between suse&freebsd you might want to watch that one! the difference is only that BSD's have no touch of sysv From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 12 07:54:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D0A16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 07:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xbrain.tempobrain.com (dns2.tempobrain.com [212.71.115.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FB943D3F for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 07:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from emil.effila@tempobrain.com) Received: from [10.0.0.93] (dns2.tempobrain.com [212.71.115.17]) by xbrain.tempobrain.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFA865066A for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 16:54:01 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3411C550-A424-11D8-B643-000A959030C6@tempobrain.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Emil Effila Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:54:00 +0200 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Subject: Re: Need advice/direction picking a distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:54:03 -0000 Where can i find this mpeg on wich site? On May 12, 2004, at 11:13 PM, Ron Ganzer wrote: > On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:41:11 -0500 > "mosborne" wrote: >> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) >> Pro* >> Hi all, with the start of the summer here I am going to have >> a little more time on my hands and was wanting to dig into a >> new distro. Up until now I haven't had a lot of time so I >> have just been running man9.1 and I was now thinking about >> making the jump to Debian or even one of the BSD's. What >> I've been looking for on the net and can't seem to find is a >> good review of the pros/cons of a linux distro like Debian >> vs. say freeBSD/openBSD. They all seem to have a great >> informative community and thats what makes the decision >> harder. Please try not too be too biased in your reply. ;] >> thx, m. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > theres an mpeg going around of a competition between suse&freebsd you > might want to watch that one! > the difference is only that BSD's have no touch of sysv > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 12 10:30:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B1B16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 10:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E7443D3F for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 10:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:4134) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BNxYO-0006lF-6O; Wed, 12 May 2004 10:30:00 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 12 May 2004 10:18:57 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-128.acuson.com ([157.226.46.128]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id JANHB0XP; Wed, 12 May 2004 10:17:32 -0700 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:27:48 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040512053626.92493.qmail@web61203.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040512053626.92493.qmail@web61203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200405121027.48594.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> cc: Kaveh Gh Subject: Re: Ethernet configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:30:34 -0000 On Tuesday 11 May 2004 10:36 pm, Kaveh Gh wrote: > Hi. > > I had the same problem in debian but not in FreeBSD. > Anyway, the approach is general! First of all, take a > look in CD of your network adapter which comes with > your LAN adapter. These days, most brands, include the > linux driver(module) in their proceeding CDs. Mostly > they are in /Linux folder. All of your response is geared towards Linux. But this is a FreeBSD list. Different operating system. Different kernel. While most things in "userland" will be identical, the kernel and associated infrastructure are very different. The net/nvnet port is a nForce2 MCP Ethernet driver. This builds a FreeBSD wrapper around part of NVidia's Linux driver. The tricky part will be getting this installed without the network. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 12 11:24:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DB216A4CE for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f64.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B7443D41 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:24:52 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:24:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: mosborne@cbu.edu Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:24:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2004 18:24:52.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B2C81E0:01C4384E] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Need advice/direction picking a distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:24:54 -0000 On May 12, 2004 "mosborne" wrote: > >Hi all, with the start of the summer here I am going to have >a little more time on my hands and was wanting to dig into a >new distro. Up until now I haven't had a lot of time so I >have just been running man9.1 and I was now thinking about >making the jump to Debian or even one of the BSD's. What >I've been looking for on the net and can't seem to find is a >good review of the pros/cons of a linux distro like Debian >vs. say freeBSD/openBSD. They all seem to have a great >informative community and thats what makes the decision >harder. Please try not too be too biased in your reply. ;] >thx, m. > Though it's a little biased (but, hey, what'd you expect? of course we like this OS.), I liked this flier: http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/bsd_flier.html Google turned up some interesting items as well: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=linux+bsd+comparison Regards, Clayton Rollins _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 12 11:43:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B7B16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15ABF43D1D for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:4863) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BNygv-0002Us-6R; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:42:53 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:31:50 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-128.acuson.com ([157.226.46.128]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id JANHCA0P; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:30:26 -0700 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:40:43 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <40a22977.1c9.2f0a.14008@cbu.edu> In-Reply-To: <40a22977.1c9.2f0a.14008@cbu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200405121140.43045.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> cc: mosborne Subject: Re: Need advice/direction picking a distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:43:22 -0000 On Wednesday 12 May 2004 06:41 am, mosborne wrote: > Hi all, with the start of the summer here I am going to have > a little more time on my hands and was wanting to dig into a > new distro. Up until now I haven't had a lot of time so I > have just been running man9.1 and I was now thinking about > making the jump to Debian or even one of the BSD's. What > I've been looking for on the net and can't seem to find is a > good review of the pros/cons of a linux distro like Debian > vs. say freeBSD/openBSD. They all seem to have a great > informative community and thats what makes the decision > harder. Please try not too be too biased in your reply. ;] Everyone is biased. It's a fact of life. One advantage I have over most reviewers is that I will admit to my bias: I prefer FreeBSD. So here's a quick list of items on why I prefer FreeBSD: * It's a complete unified system. Kernel, libc, and all components reside in the same source tree and are developed by the same people. * Excellent documentation. Man pages for everything. Superb handbooks. Documentation is actively maintained, often by the very people who write the software. * FreeBSD is a real Unix. Really! Not a clone, but direct descendent of BSD UNIX. You can't call it that merely because of trademark issues. * Better hardware support. Really! Recently it seems to me that FreeBSD has surpassed Linux in providing Open Source support for new hardware, though Linux is still ahead in the proprietary binary-only department. SATA support is one example where FreeBSD was first. * Ports. This is what Gentoo Linux copied for portage. You can install binary packages or build form source, your choice. The best of both worlds. Ports is better than portage in many areas, such as dependency checking when uninstalling software. * Stability, robustness, security. FreeBSD is rock solid. Finally, some links to some recent discussions of BSD from a Linux perspective: http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-freebsd http://www.linux-mag.com/2003-12/bsd_01.html Cheers, David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 12 12:30:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5C016A4CE for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 12:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A532343D1D for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 12:30:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (62-240-243-167.adsl.claranet.fr [62.240.243.167]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1CF2A5DF6; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:30:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Olivier Gautherot To: mosborne In-Reply-To: <40a22977.1c9.2f0a.14008@cbu.edu> References: <40a22977.1c9.2f0a.14008@cbu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1084390263.977.8.camel@ogautherot.og-lan.freesurf.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:31:03 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need advice/direction picking a distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:30:21 -0000 Go for Yellowtab/Zeta :-) (... hope I'm not too biased :-) It's not *NIX (POSIX compliant, though) On the FreeBSD front, well, that's also my main system now. It just works out of the box for most things and, if you have a wideband connection, you'll update your system like a charm. Having tried various linux distros (SuSE, Lindows, RedHat), I still find the structure of FreeBSD mode coherent. Keeping aplications up to date is also much easier in FreeBSD than any Linux distro - with the possible exception of Gentoo but I have not tried it. In any case, these systems are fun to configure and use. Cheerio Olivier On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 15:41, mosborne wrote: > Hi all, with the start of the summer here I am going to have > a little more time on my hands and was wanting to dig into a > new distro. Up until now I haven't had a lot of time so I > have just been running man9.1 and I was now thinking about > making the jump to Debian or even one of the BSD's. What > I've been looking for on the net and can't seem to find is a > good review of the pros/cons of a linux distro like Debian > vs. say freeBSD/openBSD. They all seem to have a great > informative community and thats what makes the decision > harder. Please try not too be too biased in your reply. ;] > thx, m. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 12 18:58:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AFC16A4CF for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ganzman.no-ip.org (cable-181-97.inter.net.il [80.230.181.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C2C43D45 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:58:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org) Received: from [192.168.100.230] (account ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org) by ganzman.no-ip.org (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.5) with HTTP id 1140017; Wed, 12 May 2004 23:16:52 -0400 From: "Ron Ganzer" To: Emil Effila , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.5 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 23:16:52 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3411C550-A424-11D8-B643-000A959030C6@tempobrain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Need advice/direction picking a distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 01:58:06 -0000 On Wed, 12 May 2004 16:54:00 +0200 Emil Effila wrote: >*This message was transferred with a trial version of >CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >Where can i find this mpeg on wich site? > >On May 12, 2004, at 11:13 PM, Ron Ganzer wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:41:11 -0500 >> "mosborne" wrote: >>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of >>>CommuniGate(tm) >>> Pro* >>> Hi all, with the start of the summer here I am going to >>>have >>> a little more time on my hands and was wanting to dig >>>into a >>> new distro. Up until now I haven't had a lot of time so >>>I >>> have just been running man9.1 and I was now thinking >>>about >>> making the jump to Debian or even one of the BSD's. What >>> I've been looking for on the net and can't seem to find >>>is a >>> good review of the pros/cons of a linux distro like >>>Debian >>> vs. say freeBSD/openBSD. They all seem to have a great >>> informative community and thats what makes the decision >>> harder. Please try not too be too biased in your reply. >>>;] >>> thx, m. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> theres an mpeg going around of a competition between >>suse&freebsd you >> might want to watch that one! >> the difference is only that BSD's have no touch of sysv >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" EMULE/AMULE/XMULE ....... its named ...... something like freebsd vs. linux From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 12 21:47:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99F416A4CE for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f20.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E77943D1D for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:47:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:47:37 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:47:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 04:47:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2004 04:47:37.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A49FE90:01C438A5] cc: emil.effila@tempobrain.com cc: ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org Subject: Re: Need advice/direction picking a distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 04:47:38 -0000 On May 12, 2004, "Ron Ganzer" wrote: > >On Wed, 12 May 2004 16:54:00 +0200 > Emil Effila wrote: >> >>Where can i find this mpeg on wich site? >> >>On May 12, 2004, at 11:13 PM, Ron Ganzer wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:41:11 -0500 >>> "mosborne" wrote: >>>>Hi all, with the start of the summer here I am going to have >>>>a little more time on my hands and was wanting to dig into a >>>>new distro. Up until now I haven't had a lot of time so I >>>>have just been running man9.1 and I was now thinking about >>>>making the jump to Debian or even one of the BSD's. What >>>>I've been looking for on the net and can't seem to find is a >>>>good review of the pros/cons of a linux distro like Debian >>>>vs. say freeBSD/openBSD. They all seem to have a great >>>>informative community and thats what makes the decision >>>>harder. Please try not too be too biased in your reply. ;] >>>>thx, m. >>> >>>theres an mpeg going around of a competition between suse&freebsd you >>>might want to watch that one! >>>the difference is only that BSD's have no touch of sysv >> > >EMULE/AMULE/XMULE ....... > >its named ...... something like freebsd vs. linux > I think you mean the screensavers segment that was on techtv. If so, one possible link is: http://freebsd0.sitetronics.com/~mmaltese/freebsd_vs_linux-techtv_20030902-edited.avi (not sure what mirror(s) may have it and what locations they are at.) Regards, Clayton Rollins _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 12 22:17:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862DD16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web61204.mail.yahoo.com (web61204.mail.yahoo.com [216.155.196.128]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C887943D41 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:17:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gangland_1464@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040513043924.78261.qmail@web61204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.218.127.72] by web61204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:39:24 PDT Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:39:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Kaveh Gh To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040512071120.45052.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ethernet configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 05:17:14 -0000 --- peter lageotakes wrote: > > > --- Kern Handa wrote: > > > Hi! I've recently migrated to FreeBSD (i386 > arch) > > > and have a NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Adapter. > I > > > did not see this card in the ethernet card list > > that > > > is supported by the kernel (unless I missed it), > > and > > > as such was wondering if there is a generic > driver > > > for cards that are not supported. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > ===== > > > > Kaveh Gh. > > > > Email : Kaveh_gh@mehr.sharif.edu > > > > gangland_1464@yahoo.com > > Hi Kaveh, > > I believe the driver your looking for exists in the > ports collection: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/net/nvnet/pkg-descr > > FYI: Not too long ago, there was some discussion on > the MCP driver (2-3 months). There were a few handy > links in the respective emails. > > Pete Good Morning Peter! Hummm!! In fact, I'm not looking for any network adapter driver(module). It was Kern, not me! ;) Now I have no problem with Dear FreeBSD! I'm looking for a way to feed this distro into a wireless board to act as a wireless router. I'm sure that FreeBSD is nice 4 embedded systems! But, Thanx 4 ur recommandations! ;) ===== Kaveh Gh. Email : Kaveh_gh@mehr.sharif.edu gangland_1464@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 15 19:01:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B25716A4CE for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 19:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D694643D46 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 19:01:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from philthom@freeshell.org) Received: from webmail.freeshell.org (IDENT:nobody@vinland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.6]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i4G21OSL022517 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 02:01:26 GMT Received: from 207.6.29.101 (proxying for 207.6.29.101) (SquirrelMail authenticated user philthom) by webmail.freeshell.org with HTTP; Sat, 15 May 2004 19:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34564.207.6.29.101.1084672886.squirrel@webmail.freeshell.org> Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 19:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Phil Thomson" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: How to mount second drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: philthom@freeshell.org List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 02:01:30 -0000 Hi all, Well, I got FreeBSD installed on my PC, but I can't figure out how to mount my second hard drive and have it automount each time I boot. I have a 3 GB drive on which I have the system installed, but I have a second 5 GB drive I want to use as well. Do I just add a line to /etc/fstab? If so, what should it say? I would like the 2nd drive to mount somewhere in /mnt, which I guess is the usual location. TIA for any info. Phil =========== Phil Thomson home: http://www.sfu.ca/~pthomson/ label: http://www.centibel.org/ =========== =========== Phil Thomson home: http://www.sfu.ca/~pthomson/ label: http://www.centibel.org/ ===========