From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 4 07:10:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738D916A4CE; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:10:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D3743D39; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:10:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62178AE09A; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 00:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 95305-06; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 00:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E11E8AE097; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 00:10:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040704071004.E11E8AE097@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 00:10:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-06-13 - 2004-07-03 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 07:10:12 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 23-Jun : USENIX'04 ATC I'll be there! http://freebsddiary.org/usenix-atc-2004.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 4 15:09:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D4D16A4CE for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:09:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 36AC543D53 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:09:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ngkale_2000@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040704150925.6447.qmail@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.107.224.5] by web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 08:09:25 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikhil Kale To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cant bring up network interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:09:27 -0000 Hello, I have just installed FreeBSD 5.2 on my system. My network card is National Semiconductors DP 83815 which is detected properly for interface sis0. But somehow I cant bring the interface up using DHCP. My machine is a dual boot, and the linux system gets the proper DHCP address. I have observed that there is an LED for ENET on my Broadband modem. When i turn my machine on, this LED is ON. While booting as soon the messages for sis0 are logged, the led goes OFF. I tried loading different modules from /boot/kernel using kldstat, and on loading module apm.ko the ENET LED goes ON again. I even tried loading if_sis.ko module, but no luck. I am new to FreeBSD and am not sure whats happening. Can anyone point in the right direction?? Thanks in advance, --Nikhil. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 4 15:50:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDA416A4CE; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:50:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (freeode.co.uk [213.162.123.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DA043D1F; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:50:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from spam-trap@freeode.co.uk) Received: from lexx (lexx.freeode.co.uk [10.253.253.2]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i64FopN5034677; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:50:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from spam-trap@freeode.co.uk) From: John Murphy To: Nikhil Kale Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:50:51 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20040704150925.6447.qmail@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040704150925.6447.qmail@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cant bring up network interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sub01@freeode.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:50:54 -0000 Nikhil Kale wrote: >Hello, > I have just installed FreeBSD 5.2 on my system. My >network card is National Semiconductors DP 83815 which >is detected properly for interface sis0. But somehow I >cant bring the interface up using DHCP. My machine is >a dual boot, and the linux system gets the proper DHCP >address. man 8 dhclient says: The client normally doesn't release the current lease as it is not required by the DHCP protocol. Some cable ISPs require their clients to notify the server if they wish to release an assigned IP address. The -r flag explicitly releases the current lease, and once the lease has been released, the client exits. So you may need to do whatever is your Linux version of dhclient -r The DHCP server has already assigned a lease to Linux which FreeBSD knows nothing about. > I am new to FreeBSD and am not sure whats happening. Welcome. You should send technical questions to questions@freebsd.org Where I have CC'd this reply. --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 4 18:22:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7952716A4CE for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 18:22:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D714343D3F for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 18:22:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ngkale_2000@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040704182239.50311.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.107.224.5] by web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:22:39 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikhil Kale To: sub01@freeode.co.uk In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cant bring up network interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 18:22:40 -0000 Hello, I dont think the problem is related to releasing the DHCP lease because I have Windows XP, SuSE linux and now FreeBSD installed on the computer. I havent had any problem with Windows/Linux. Here's what I get in dmesg for my network interface: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sis0: port 0x8c00-0x8cff mem 0xd0008000-0xd0008fff irq 11 at device 18.0 on pci0 sis0: Silicon Revision: DP83816A sis0: Ethernet address: 00:0d:9d:43:e5:b7 miibus0: on sis0 sis0: watchdog timeout --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As soon as this is logged while booting the Ethernet LED on my broadband modem goes OFF. I tried loading module if_sis0.ko and apm.ko, and the Ethernet LED lights up, but when I loaded these modules at startup (/boot/loader.conf) the LED still goes off. When I run dhclient -v I get the following output: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.1rc12 Copyright 1995-2002 Internet Software Consortium. All rights reserved. For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP Listening on BPF/sis0/00:0d:9d:43:e5:b7 Sending on BPF/sis0/00:0d:9d:43:e5:b7 Listening on BPF/fwe0/02:0d:9d:43:60:7e Sending on BPF/fwe0/02:0d:9d:43:60:7e Listening on BPF/wi0/00:02:8a:a9:e1:7a Sending on BPF/wi0/00:02:8a:a9:e1:7a Sending on Socket/fallback ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ifconfig sis0 gives me -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sis0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::20d:9dff:fe43:e5b7%sis0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet 0.0.0.0 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 255.255.255.255 ether 00:0d:9d:43:e5:b7 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I may be completely wrong, but I think some wrong module is getting loaded, which is causing this problem. Can you point out how I can debug more, and get this solved??? Thanks in advance, --Nikhil. John Murphy wrote: Nikhil Kale wrote: >Hello, > I have just installed FreeBSD 5.2 on my system. My >network card is National Semiconductors DP 83815 which >is detected properly for interface sis0. But somehow I >cant bring the interface up using DHCP. My machine is >a dual boot, and the linux system gets the proper DHCP >address. man 8 dhclient says: The client normally doesn't release the current lease as it is not required by the DHCP protocol. Some cable ISPs require their clients to notify the server if they wish to release an assigned IP address. The -r flag explicitly releases the current lease, and once the lease has been released, the client exits. So you may need to do whatever is your Linux version of dhclient -r The DHCP server has already assigned a lease to Linux which FreeBSD knows nothing about. > I am new to FreeBSD and am not sure whats happening. Welcome. You should send technical questions to questions@freebsd.org Where I have CC'd this reply. -- John. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 5 05:45:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39BE16A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 05:45:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AE443D46 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 05:45:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from freesurf.fr (arlette.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.12]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 41A3A2A4FF4; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 194.98.178.34 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ogautherot) by arlette.freesurf.fr with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <32493.194.98.178.34.1089006321.squirrel@arlette.freesurf.fr> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:45:21 +0200 (CEST) From: To: X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <20040704150925.6447.qmail@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20040704150925.6447.qmail@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cant bring up network interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 05:45:23 -0000 Hi Nikhil! Welcome to the BSD world! First, I think I must warn you that this list is dedicated to beginners that want to get started. Technical questions should be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. And I think this one is worth the effort because you seem to are facing something that can be of interest also to more expert people. However, see below... > Hello, > I have just installed FreeBSD 5.2 on my system. My > network card is National Semiconductors DP 83815 which > is detected properly for interface sis0. But somehow I > cant bring the interface up using DHCP. My machine is > a dual boot, and the linux system gets the proper DHCP > address. > I have observed that there is an LED for ENET on my > Broadband modem. When i turn my machine on, this LED > is ON. While booting as soon the messages for sis0 are > logged, the led goes OFF. The "newbie" answer I can give you here is to check what your system actually configures. It sounds like your card is loosing its carrier after the driver is loaded. I remember seeing a similar effect with an old evaluation card with a DP83815 when I was working for National Semiconductor: I know there have been at least 2 drivers for Linux (one for the eval card and one for the OEM cards) and they don't seem to be compatible. It may be an issue with the PHY. I eventually had to get rid of this card because I was not able to use it with the 3 systems I was using at that time (W98, Linux and BeOS); I was not a BSD user back then and did not give it a try since. My first bet would be to check the output of the command ifconfig -a You should find an entry for your sis0 driver and some info about what it did. In a second step, if your card seems somehow doing something, try to force the IP address to 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 using sysinstall and see if you can ping 10.0.0.137 (which should be the address of your DSL modem - it is an Ethernet modem, right?). If it says that the network is unreachable, it probably means that there is a compatibility issue with the driver. A third guess is to go to /usr/src/sys and check for the network card driver sources (sorry, I'm not on my BSD machine right now) and type "make install" (without the quotes). in case another driver fits better... Hope it helps Olivier From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 5 14:46:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCC716A50E for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:45:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.ipko.net (mx1.ipko.net [80.80.160.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F08243D5C for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:45:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from taulant@ipko.net) Received: (qmail 30781 invoked by uid 1004); 5 Jul 2004 16:46:01 +0200 Received: from taulant@ipko.net by mx1.ipko.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (clamdscan: 0.70. spamassassin: 2.63. Clear:RC:1(80.80.172.70):. Processed in 0.017296 secs); 05 Jul 2004 14:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmaster2) (80.80.172.70) by mx1.ipko.net with SMTP; 5 Jul 2004 16:46:01 +0200 Message-ID: <060b01c4629e$b60e45c0$0302a8c0@webmaster2> From: "Taulant Galimuna" To: , References: <20040704071004.E11E8AE097@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:45:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: cron.daily and cron.hourly X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 14:46:01 -0000 Hi, I had a problem with my web-server that I already solved. But now I have to execute a PHP file on my FreeBSD server every hour, to get the needed updates from database. I know I need a shell script to execute that file and have to put this script to some directory that would execute it every hour. In linux it is appeared to be at /etc/cron.hourly but in FreeBSD I can't locate it. Any one can help ?! Regards From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 5 15:01:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFAE16A4CE; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:01:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FFD43D55; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:01:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1])i65F1kC3009789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:01:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)id i65F1kTE009775; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:01:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:01:46 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman To: Taulant Galimuna Message-ID: <20040705150146.GA40808@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Taulant Galimuna , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20040704071004.E11E8AE097@nezlok.unixathome.org> <060b01c4629e$b60e45c0$0302a8c0@webmaster2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <060b01c4629e$b60e45c0$0302a8c0@webmaster2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Greylist: Message not sent from an IPv4 address, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [0.0.0.0]); Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:01:47 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040705, clamav-milter version 0.74a on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cron.daily and cron.hourly X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:01:54 -0000 --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 04:45:27PM +0200, Taulant Galimuna wrote: > I had a problem with my web-server that I already solved. But now I have = to > execute a PHP file on my FreeBSD server every hour, to get the needed > updates from database. >=20 > I know I need a shell script to execute that file and have to put this > script to some directory that would execute it every hour. >=20 > In linux it is appeared to be at /etc/cron.hourly >=20 >=20 > but in FreeBSD I can't locate it. There isn't anything like cron.hourly under FreeBSD. (There is /etc/periodic for running system maintenance tasks, but that runs at most daily.) What you need to do is run your script out of the crontab of the appropriate user. Since this is all web related I'm going to use use 'www' as an example. First, read the crontab(5) man page (ie. type 'man 5 crontab' -- if you just type 'man crontab' you'll get the crontab(1) man page, which is worth reading as well) Then to set up the cron job, as root do: # crontab -e -u www which will plunk you into an editor opened on the www users' crontab file. Add a line like: @hourly /your/php/script/here If that script generates any output to stdout or stderr, it will be e-mailed to the www user. Supposing you don't want that, either redirect all output to /dev/null: @hourly /your/php/script/here >/dev/null 2>&1 or use the MAILTO=3D variable as described in crontab(5). Also note that lots of people come adrift the first time the use cron(8) because cron doesn't set up the environment like a login session. In particular, make sure that you explicitly set the $PATH at the top of your script, or you will get a load of "command not found" errors. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFA6W1aiD657aJF7eIRAnH0AJ4wPAYGGs3o5TmlPyQtGZQO63aP2QCeKp56 K3uvCfEOVLlpvQfFLRg+NdM= =4bZT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 5 15:08:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D812216A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:08:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C1743D53 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:08:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-223-155-125.client.insightbb.com[12.223.155.125]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with SMTP id <20040705150855i9100acd8te>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:08:55 +0000 Message-ID: <40E96F02.9000304@nbritton.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:08:50 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Taulant Galimuna , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040704071004.E11E8AE097@nezlok.unixathome.org> <060b01c4629e$b60e45c0$0302a8c0@webmaster2> In-Reply-To: <060b01c4629e$b60e45c0$0302a8c0@webmaster2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: cron.daily and cron.hourly X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:08:57 -0000 man cron and crontab. cron man page: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=cron&sektion=8 These should help too: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/configtuning-cron.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.html#ROOT-NOT-FOUND-CRON-ERRORS Taulant Galimuna wrote: >Hi, > >I had a problem with my web-server that I already solved. But now I have to >execute a PHP file on my FreeBSD server every hour, to get the needed >updates from database. > >I know I need a shell script to execute that file and have to put this >script to some directory that would execute it every hour. > >In linux it is appeared to be at /etc/cron.hourly > > >but in FreeBSD I can't locate it. > >Any one can help ?! > >Regards > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 5 19:29:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E54E16A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:29:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web50604.mail.yahoo.com (web50604.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC68643D2F for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:29:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oracleandoracle@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040705192958.88391.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.84.223.164] by web50604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:29:58 PDT Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:29:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "ORACLE ." To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: NEED HELP WITH VERSION OF FREE BSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:29:59 -0000 Hey i have dowloaded freebsd 5.2.1 for amd because i have amd k-6 II from the following site ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/5.2.1/ i have downloaded ""5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso"" this file please tell me how to burn it on r-cd to make it bootable free bsd cd and also do i need other files in this ftp folder i mean "5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-bootonly.iso" and "5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc2.iso" if i do need these files can you tell me how to burn them on the r-cd i mean which Sequence and also the file i downloaded ""5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso"" does it have all the packages i need to run a system..... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 5 19:46:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4D716A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:46:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wingfoot.org (caduceus.wingfoot.org [64.32.179.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2D043D39 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:46:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ges+lists@wingfoot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4E61F449D; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 92275-09; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-44c47f78.dyn.optonline.net [68.196.127.120]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4516C1F449C; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40E9AFB4.3080708@wingfoot.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:44:52 -0400 From: Glenn Sieb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ORACLE ." References: <20040705192958.88391.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040705192958.88391.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wingfoot.org cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NEED HELP WITH VERSION OF FREE BSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:46:25 -0000 ORACLE . said the following on 7/5/2004 3:29 PM: >Hey i have dowloaded freebsd 5.2.1 for amd because i have amd k-6 II from the following site ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/5.2.1/ > > You just want the i386 version. amd64 is for the AMD Athlon64 series of chips, of which the K6-2 isn't... :-/ >i have downloaded ""5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso"" this file please tell me how to burn it on r-cd to make it bootable free bsd cd and also do i need other files in this ftp folder > > I can't answer this question, as you have not provided us with what OS you're using now, or better yet, what CD burning program. Most of them will support burning "disc images" to CD, which is all an .iso is... just check the documentation or help system for your burning program. >i mean "5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-bootonly.iso" and "5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc2.iso" if i do need these files can you tell me how to burn them on the r-cd i mean which Sequence and also the file i downloaded ""5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso"" does it have all the packages i need to run a system..... > > Disc1 is the installation CD. It has everything you need to get a FreeBSD system installed and running on a network. All packages are available via the Ports system (at some point it will ask if you'd like to install the Ports system--make sure you say yes :) ) Disc 2 is a live filesystem CD--this is used for repairs and such of a damaged FreeBSD system. I'd guess that bootonly would just be a freebsd bootable CD...? In any case, you should be fine with just disc1 Best, Glenn -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 (Remember--July 30th is System Administrator Appreciation Day! http://www.sysadminday.com/ Wishlists at http://www.wingfoot.org/~ges/) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 5 23:27:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9D516A519 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:27:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C1AB43D5D for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:27:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thatha@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so89462rnf for ; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.63 with SMTP id p63mr527197rnb; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:27:44 +1000 From: Gautam Gopalakrishnan To: Taulant Galimuna In-Reply-To: <060b01c4629e$b60e45c0$0302a8c0@webmaster2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040704071004.E11E8AE097@nezlok.unixathome.org> <060b01c4629e$b60e45c0$0302a8c0@webmaster2> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cron.daily and cron.hourly X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:27:59 -0000 On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:45:27 +0200, Taulant Galimuna wrote: > Hi, > > I had a problem with my web-server that I already solved. But now I have to > execute a PHP file on my FreeBSD server every hour, to get the needed > updates from database. > > I know I need a shell script to execute that file and have to put this > script to some directory that would execute it every hour. > > In linux it is appeared to be at /etc/cron.hourly Run: # crontab -e Add: 0 * * * * /path/to/your/script The manpage should give more details... Gautam From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 6 13:32:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578AD16A4CF for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:32:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from newdns.enstimac.fr (newdns.enstimac.fr [194.167.199.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA9D43D79 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:32:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ravail@enstimac.fr) Received: from enstimac.fr (bastille [194.167.200.223]) by newdns.enstimac.fr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i66DVIkg004580 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:31:18 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <40EAA9AE.4070903@enstimac.fr> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:31:26 +0200 From: David RAVAIL User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EMAC-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-EMAC-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: ravail@enstimac.fr Subject: Automounter LDAP?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:32:30 -0000 Did somebody use an automounter which a LDAP map on FreeBSD 5.X ??? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 6 20:16:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DF816A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:16:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from verifpoint.com (maxmail011.maximumasp.com [69.2.203.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C829C43D3F for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:16:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from SElgram@verifpoint.com) Received: from is02 [63.65.31.240] by verifpoint.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A8ABE9011E; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:16:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00dc01c46396$27e3c7e0$1f00a8c0@CREDENTALS> From: "Scott Elgram" To: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:16:40 -0700 Organization: VerifPoint/CreDENTALs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Declude-Sender: SElgram@verifpoint.com [63.65.31.240] X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted [0] X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Pop3/SMTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Scott Elgram List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:16:47 -0000 Hello, Can anyone tell me a good/secure POP3/SMTP server for FreeBSD that = can handle SPAM and Virus protection? -Scott From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 6 23:00:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DABC16A4D3 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:00:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F6743D46 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:00:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:02:08 -0500 Message-ID: <40EB2F10.7050402@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:00:32 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040406 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Elgram References: <00dc01c46396$27e3c7e0$1f00a8c0@CREDENTALS> In-Reply-To: <00dc01c46396$27e3c7e0$1f00a8c0@CREDENTALS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2004 23:02:09.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[43BCB870:01C463AD] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pop3/SMTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:00:40 -0000 Scott Elgram wrote: >Hello, > Can anyone tell me a good/secure POP3/SMTP server for FreeBSD that can handle SPAM and Virus protection? > >-Scott > > Don't know if this'd be better over on the ??'s list or not: $cd /usr/ports && make search key=POP3 $cd /usr/ports && make search key=SMTP $cd /usr/ports && make search key=antivirus I personally run Sendmail in a dual config setup with clamav, Amavis and SpamAssassin. My POP servers vary --- no trouble, generally, with Popper, Qpopper or the one that goes with imap-uw (I basically forget about 'em, they just run --- always only inside the borders anyway...) I've heard it said that Postfix is good here, too. Be warned that most likely, POP and SMTP servers are seperate entities; so are the AV scanners and Spam tools that interface with them, so you're really choosing 3 to 5/6 packages instead of just one.... Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 6 23:09:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C044C16A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:09:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ebfoto.com.br (200-163-019-026.bsace7013.e.brasiltelecom.net.br [200.163.19.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A26A43D1D for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:09:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ivo@tonev.pro.br) Received: (qmail 41804 invoked by uid 80); 6 Jul 2004 22:22:04 -0000 Received: from 200-103-114-182.bsace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br (200-103-114-182.bsace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [200.103.114.182]) by mail.ebfoto.com.br (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:22:04 -0300 Message-ID: <1089152524.40eb260c07ac0@mail.ebfoto.com.br> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:22:04 -0300 From: Ivo Roumenov Tonev To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." References: <00dc01c46396$27e3c7e0$1f00a8c0@CREDENTALS> <40EB2F10.7050402@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <40EB2F10.7050402@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 200.103.114.182 cc: Scott Elgram cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pop3/SMTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:09:55 -0000 qmail + vpopmail + courier-imap + spamassassin + qmail-scanner -- Ivo Roumenov Tonev ICQ: 14854601 "One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them, One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Redmond, where the Shadows lie." -- adapted from J.R.R. Tolkien Citando "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." : > Scott Elgram wrote: > > >Hello, > > Can anyone tell me a good/secure POP3/SMTP server for FreeBSD that can > handle SPAM and Virus protection? > > > >-Scott > > > > > > Don't know if this'd be better over on the ??'s > list or not: > > $cd /usr/ports && make search key=POP3 > > $cd /usr/ports && make search key=SMTP > > $cd /usr/ports && make search key=antivirus > > > I personally run Sendmail in a dual config setup > with clamav, Amavis and SpamAssassin. My POP > servers vary --- no trouble, generally, with Popper, > Qpopper or the one that goes with imap-uw (I > basically forget about 'em, they just run --- always > only inside the borders anyway...) > > I've heard it said that Postfix is good here, too. > > Be warned that most likely, POP and SMTP servers > are seperate entities; so are the AV scanners and > Spam tools that interface with them, so you're really > choosing 3 to 5/6 packages instead of just one.... > > Kevin Kinsey > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 9 19:10:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED5716A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:10:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE1043D1F for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:10:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i69JAKWm018880 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:10:20 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i69JAKhd018845 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:10:20 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:10:20 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200407091910.i69JAKhd018845@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:10:20 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________