From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 29 07:07:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE8516A4CE; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:07:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0712643D39; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:07:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CB65887; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 65018-10; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9592E5882; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040829071002.9592E5882@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-08-08 - 2004-08-28 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:07:38 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 29 21:45:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0861A16A4CE for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:45:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from marvin.muc.de (marvin.muc.de [193.149.48.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04D8F43D46 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:45:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from news@freenet.de) Received: (qmail 46527 invoked by alias); 29 Aug 2004 21:45:08 -0000 Delivered-To: mods-muc-lists-freebsd-newbies@moderators.muc.de Received: (qmail 46520 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2004 21:45:08 -0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de (194.97.50.132) by marvin.muc.de with SMTP; 29 Aug 2004 21:45:08 -0000 Received: from [194.97.55.192] (helo=mx8.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C1XU2-00057q-6U for muc-lists-freebsd-newbies@moderators.muc.de; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:45:06 +0200 Received: from newsread1.freenet.de ([194.97.5.9]) by mx8.freenet.de with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.42 #2) id 1C1XU2-000572-2k for muc-lists-freebsd-newbies@moderators.muc.de; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:45:06 +0200 Received: from news by newsread1.freenet.de with local (ID news) (Exim 4.30 #6) id 1C1XU0-0006iJ-LO for muc-lists-freebsd-newbies@moderators.muc.de; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:45:04 +0200 To: muc-lists-freebsd-newbies@moderators.muc.de Message-Id: <4tu902-v61.ln1@nyssa.weide> From: Stevan Tiefert Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.newbies Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:37:08 +0200 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.6.71.56 X-Trace: 1093815904 news.freenet.de 13041 stevan.tiefert@freenet.de/213.6.71.56:49333 X-Complaints-To: abuse@freenet.de Sender: NEWS System X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:49:37 +0000 Subject: Ports updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:45:11 -0000 Hello newsgroup, the ports-system is nice, but what happens, if I need a newer port than available? Does a ports-update exist or have I wait to the next release? With regards Stevan Tiefert -- Wer nichts sein Eigen nennt, hat nichts! Wir sind uns aber selbst eigen! Somit sind wir Eigner! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 30 12:19:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418AF16A4CE for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:19:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from post-23.mail.nl.demon.net (post-23.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0366C43D54 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:19:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from h.de.bruijn@gmx.li) Received: from falling.demon.nl ([82.161.27.176]:62587 helo=deuce.falling.demon.nl) by post-23.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C1l79-0001JE-KR; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:19:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])ESMTP id 4B8111432; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:18:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from deuce.falling.demon.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (deuce [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05348-06; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:18:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.100.38] (unknown [192.168.100.38])ESMTP id 02CA013C1; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:18:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <41331B10.5040603@gmx.li> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:18:24 +0200 From: Harold de Bruijn User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: nl, nl-be, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stevan.tiefert@freenet.de, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at deuce.falling.demon.nl Subject: RE: Ports updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:19:08 -0000 Hello Stevan, You really should take the time and read the handbook for answers to questions like this. In your case especialy the part about using the ports collection. Anyways you can use cvsup to upgrade your ports collection, there are also differrent methods but this one is stated in the manual. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html Regards, H. de Bruijn From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 30 13:53:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A919916A4CE for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:53:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8642143D39 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:53:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mrpuffypants@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so31786cwc for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.120.64 with SMTP id s64mr32231cwc; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.4 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:53:11 -0500 From: Tom Cook To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, stevan.tiefert@freenet.de In-Reply-To: <41331B10.5040603@gmx.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41331B10.5040603@gmx.li> Subject: Re: Ports updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tom Cook List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:53:18 -0000 You should check out this o'reilly article: It's a good step-by-step on configuring cvsup/portupgrade on your system. It's what I use to sync my ports tree periodically. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html -tom On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:18:24 +0200, Harold de Bruijn wrote: > Hello Stevan, > > You really should take the time and read the handbook for answers to > questions like this. > In your case especialy the part about using the ports collection. > Anyways you can use cvsup to upgrade your ports collection, there are > also differrent methods but this one is stated in the manual. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html > > Regards, > > H. de Bruijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ---------- Tom Cook mrpuffypants@gmail.com http://www.tomservo.net From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 30 16:31:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF8C16A4CF for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:31:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD91343D2D for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:31:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:34:59 -0500 Message-ID: <41335658.7020307@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:31:20 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stevan Tiefert References: <4tu902-v61.ln1@nyssa.weide> In-Reply-To: <4tu902-v61.ln1@nyssa.weide> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2004 16:35:00.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B02C430:01C48EAF] cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:31:23 -0000 Stevan Tiefert wrote: >Hello newsgroup, > >the ports-system is nice, but what happens, if I need a newer port than >available? Does a ports-update exist or have I wait to the next release? > >With regards >Stevan Tiefert > > > Cvsup & Portupgrade are your friends. Great article here: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 31 01:52:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFF216A4CE for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:52:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web90010.mail.scd.yahoo.com (web90010.mail.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.94.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF42543D3F for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:52:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from yeweikeke-maillist@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040831015258.42606.qmail@web90010.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.4.149.25] by web90010.mail.scd.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:52:58 CST Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:52:58 +0800 (CST) From: To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: How to play DTS CD and .APE in FreeBSD. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: yeweikeke-maillist@yahoo.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:52:58 -0000 Hi, I want to play DTS CD and .APE in FreeBSD. Can someone help me? Thanks ===== Regards, Ye Wei __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Download the latest ringtones, games, and more! http://sg.mobile.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 31 02:11:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDAF16A4CE for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:11:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay8-f116.bay8.hotmail.com [64.4.27.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA0143D41 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:11:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oskr690@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:11:30 -0700 Received: from 200.76.252.101 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:11:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.76.252.101] X-Originating-Email: [oskr690@hotmail.com] X-Sender: oskr690@hotmail.com From: "oscar wicks" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:11:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2004 02:11:30.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[D42D74D0:01C48EFF] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:20:49 +0000 Subject: init: not found in path...panic:no init X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:11:30 -0000 Joseph and bsd guys: hello,i have a very old toshiba t4600c (386, 33Mhz, 200Mb Hd. 8 MbRAM, no LAN, just serial port and floppy drive.) i supose that that is enough for mini install freebsd 4.10 , but everything goes fine until toshiba asks for second floppy (mfsroot.flp) loads fine until machine says : Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel] in 9 seconds... _ if i press enter or any key is same... machine reboot (!!!) the kernel configuration menu was never launched. if i want to launch kernel configuration menu, i press space bar and apears the very basic system prompt : ok_ using lsmod i can see kernel and mfsroot modules loaded, i type unload an i procceed manually: insert kernel floppy and say: load /kernel then i change to mfsroot.flp and i type " boot " this is when kernel configuration menu apears, i select skip kernel config and the Device Probe Results comes, but booting process fails when system trys to mounting root from ufs:fd0c (...) machine says: init: not found in path /sbin/init:/sbin/oinit:/sbin/init.bak:/stand/sysinstall panic:no init syncing disks done uptime: 2s automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press any key on console to abort any clue??? please letme know where can i find info for learn howto, or understand what im doing wrong please RE to this mail address: oskr690@hotmail.com thanks for your help oscar wicks _________________________________________________________________ T1msn Hotmail Plus. Más espacio, más funcional http://join.msn.com/?page=features/es&pgmarket=es-mx&xAPID=1817&DI=233&SU=http://www.t1msn.com.mx From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 31 14:39:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7057C16A4CE; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:39:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (freeode.co.uk [213.162.123.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE2243D5F; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:39:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from spam-trap@freeode.co.uk) Received: from lexx (lexx.freeode.co.uk [10.253.253.2]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7VEdNOB010479; Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:39:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from spam-trap@freeode.co.uk) From: John Murphy To: "oscar wicks" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:39:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: init: not found in path...panic:no init X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sub01@freeode.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:39:26 -0000 "oscar wicks" wrote: >Joseph >and bsd guys: > >hello,i have a very old toshiba t4600c (386, 33Mhz, 200Mb Hd. 8 MbRAM, no >LAN, just serial port and floppy drive.) i supose that that is enough >for mini install freebsd 4.10 , but everything goes fine until toshiba >asks for second floppy (mfsroot.flp) loads fine until machine says : Hi Oscar Check the installation notes for 4.10 at: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.10R/installation-i386.html You'll need 16Mbytes of memory for the install and you'll need to make a custom "pared-down" kernel to get it to run in 8Mbyte. Also, there is much more to the installation than what is included on the two floppies, so you'll need a modem and internet connection on that serial port. I'd recommend fitting your HD to another PC and install the OS and build a custom kernel there and then fit it back in your toshiba. We are not supposed to answer technical questions on this list as they are all supposed to go to questions@freebsd.org where all the experts hang out, so I've CC'd this message there including the rest of your message below. Good luck to you, and come back here if you want to chat about FreeBSD newbie stuff (other than technical questions of course). John. >Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. >Booting [kernel] in 9 seconds... _ > >if i press enter or any key is same... machine reboot (!!!) > >the kernel configuration menu was never launched. >if i want to launch kernel configuration menu, i press space bar and >apears the very basic system prompt : >ok_ > >using lsmod i can see kernel and mfsroot modules loaded, i type >unload an i procceed manually: >insert kernel floppy and say: >load /kernel >then i change to mfsroot.flp and i type " boot " this is when kernel >configuration menu apears, i select skip kernel config and the Device >Probe Results comes, but booting process fails when system trys to >mounting root from ufs:fd0c (...) >machine says: >init: not found in path >/sbin/init:/sbin/oinit:/sbin/init.bak:/stand/sysinstall >panic:no init > >syncing disks >done >uptime: 2s >automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press any key on console to abort > >any clue??? > >please letme know where can i find info for learn howto, or >understand what im doing wrong > >please RE to this mail address: > >oskr690@hotmail.com > >thanks for your help > >oscar wicks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 1 20:07:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882BD16A4CF for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:07:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web50809.mail.yahoo.com (web50809.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D6FE43D31 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:07:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rgallim@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040901200714.8863.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.93.249.17] by web50809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:07:14 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Gallimore To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Install with USB CDROM X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:07:15 -0000 Can somebody point me in the right direction? I am trying to install FreeBSD on a Toshiba Portege 3025ct using an USB Plextor CDRW. I am not having any luck. I can boot with the two floppy disks but it will not see the USB drive. I created the floppies from the CD using windows originally. Any ideas? Thanks Ron From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 3 19:10:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A6A16A4CE for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C73543D46 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:10:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83JARxX067115 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:10:27 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i83JAQZB067082 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:10:27 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:10:27 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200409031910.i83JAQZB067082@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:10:27 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 4 17:29:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D00616A4CE for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:29:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.hal-pc.org (mail.hal-pc.org [206.180.145.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C044D43D48 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:29:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chartr@hal-pc.org) Received: from [206.180.152.14] (HELO cbrack.hal-pc.org) by mail.hal-pc.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 124654206 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:29:15 -0500 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040904121109.02d8c398@mail.hal-pc.org> X-Sender: chartr@mail.hal-pc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:29:13 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Doug Chartier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: OS and Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 17:29:16 -0000 There is a Linux version on CD that runs from CD using the CD as the OS drive instead of "C:" or other hard drive. This seems like the answer to a multitude of questions and well as presenting a few of its own. This basically stops outside access to the OS from hackers, viruses, spyware etc. Would it make sense to develop a FBSD OS - or any OS for that matter - on something like a flash card that cannot be altered from within the system directly? The CD approach does the same thing, but would slow the system down if the CD had to be accessed often. If the OS was copied from the CD to RAM, that would solve the speed problem and maintain the base OS security. This might be an old concept, but it's new to me. Doug C. Houston, Tex. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 4 17:55:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7816216A4D0 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:55:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0323943D1D for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:55:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:52:06 -0500 Message-ID: <413A0183.6010807@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:55:15 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Chartier References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040904121109.02d8c398@mail.hal-pc.org> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040904121109.02d8c398@mail.hal-pc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2004 17:52:06.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4C0F0A0:01C492A7] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS and Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 17:55:19 -0000 {Good practice: wrap your lines around 72 characters ... not everyone is running X or 256 column terminals ...} Doug Chartier wrote: > There is a Linux version on CD that runs from CD using the CD as > the OS drive instead of "C:" or other hard drive. This seems like the > answer to a multitude of questions and well as presenting a few of > its own. > IIRC, there is now a thing called "FreeBSIE" which is similar; a CD live filesystem OS on a bootable CD that's basically a "FreeBSD Demo." Never tried it myself. > This basically stops outside access to the OS from hackers, viruses, > spyware etc. Would it make sense to develop a FBSD OS - or any OS > for that matter - on something like a flash card that cannot be altered > from within the system directly? The CD approach does the same thing, > but would slow the system down if the CD had to be accessed often. If > the OS was copied from the CD to RAM, that would solve the speed > problem and maintain the base OS security. > > This might be an old concept, but it's new to me. I think FBSD has had "Picobsd" for years, which operates very similar to what you describe. Make a CD or even floppy, set it r/o, boot your firewall boxen from it ... $man picobsd Kevin Kinsey