From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 00:25:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BFF16A4CF for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.actcom.co.il (smtp2.actcom.co.il [192.114.47.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B806143D1F for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:25:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wine-devel@shemesh.biz) Received: from shemesh.biz (line102-130.adsl.actcom.co.il [192.117.102.130]) by smtp2.actcom.co.il (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0P8Pf8n027227; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:25:42 +0200 Message-ID: <40137D85.2050808@shemesh.biz> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:25:41 +0200 From: Shachar Shemesh Organization: Lingnu Open Systems Consulting User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031107 Debian/1.5-3 X-Accept-Language: en, he MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <20040124214735.GE548@foghorn.rsmba.biz> <40131AEA.2000804@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <40131AEA.2000804@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: wine-devel@winehq.com cc: Richard Schilling cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Trolling and helping a spammer (was Re: New Open Source License: Single Supplier Open Source License) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:25:52 -0000 Hi guys, First, someone who sends the same email to at least four mailing lists (freebsd, wine-devel, postgresql-hackers and ossi) is a spammer in my book. Replying to his email, especially to lists that are not relevant (i.e. - any but ossi) is helping him along. To answer his (asked) question - since this license is clearly LGPL incompatible, I don't think he is likely to make contributions to Wine under this license. At least, not contributions that will be accepted. As his license is also BSD incompatible, I dare say it is equally off topic for FreeBSD and postgresql. This guy is obviously trying to solve the "how can I make money from free software" dillema by introducing a proprietary license and calling it "OpenSource". Interesting idea, but it has been tried before (http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/default.mspx, except they didn't have the audacity to call it open source). This is just a proprietary license. Nothing more to see here. Move along. Shachar P.S. I am not subscribed to the stable@freebsd.org mailing list. A search of the archives did not show this particular Richard Schilling post. I was not sure whether to dump this mail (which is just as off topic as the original one) on that list as well. I'm sorry if I chose wrong. I did notice that on stable@freebsd, Richard is at least an occasional poster. Here on Wine-devel he is a first time poster as far as I can see. This may explain the difference in responses between the lists. Sh. Chuck Swiger wrote: > Richard Schilling wrote: > >> I would like to present to you all a new Open Source software license >> I've written up. > > [ ... ] > > One the face of it, Section III, "Distribution Restrictions and > Obligations." of your license fails to comply with OSD #1 & 2: > > "1. Free Redistribution > > The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away > the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution > containing programs from several different sources. The license shall > not require a royalty or other fee for such sale. > > 2. Source Code > > The program must include source code, and must allow distribution in > source code as well as compiled form...." > > See http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php. > -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Systems Consulting http://www.lingnu.com/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 00:56:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF5916A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxfep01.bredband.com (mxfep01.bredband.com [195.54.107.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E8843D39 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:55:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from z3l3zt@hackunite.net) Received: from hackunite.net ([213.112.193.97] [213.112.193.97]) by mxfep01.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20040125085558.HYWR10556.mxfep01.bredband.com@hackunite.net>; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:55:58 +0100 Message-ID: <4013848A.3030206@hackunite.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:55:38 +0100 From: Jesper Wallin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shachar Shemesh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Trolling and helping a spammer X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:56:06 -0000 Heya.. "First, someone who sends the same email to at least four mailing lists (freebsd, wine-devel, postgresql-hackers and ossi) is a spammer in my book. Replying to his email, especially to lists that are not relevant (i.e. - any but ossi) is helping him along." Heh, it the same way Bush acts like afghanistan.. "hey! you didn't help us stop this 'terrorist', then you are on his side!" .. why even bother to care.. one mail more in the mailbox doesn't hurt anyone unless it's containing alot of advertisment or other commersial junk.. Also, by complaining to all of the lists, you're helping the dude spamming too (same goes for this mail) since your mail wasn't really relevant to the FreeBSD-Stable list.. Regards, Jesper Wallin From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 02:13:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D32C16A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.balius.com (rrcs-nys-24-24-63-86.biz.rr.com [24.24.63.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519D343D2F for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:13:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cms@balius.com) Received: from [192.168.1.39] (17inchPB.amotken.com [192.168.1.39]) by peppy.amotken.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HS100H03ITLTX@peppy.amotken.com> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:08:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:12:01 -0500 From: Chad M Stewart To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Uptime: $UPTIME X-Mac: It just ROCKS! Subject: updates and version numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:13:31 -0000 If this is covered in an FAQ I apologize, my quick check did not find it. I'm new to FreeBSD and am wondering about version numbers of programs in FreeBSD vs. the programs general version. Take sshd for example. I started with 4.9-stable and then updated the system using cvsup in what I believe is the correct manner. After all that I am left with sshd version OpenSSH_3.5p1 FreeBSD-20030924 I'm confused on how to correlate this version to say ftp://ftp.ca.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/ChangeLog If I understand the way FreeBSD releases occur then using -stable I would not expect to have the latest and greatest software, rather I have a more "stable" version. Appears that the latest and greatest portable version of OpenSSH is Release 3.7.1p2. I am trying to figure out two things: o - what is the base version of OpenSSH that 4.9-stable started with? Logic says that is 3.5p1, but I want to make sure I'm not missing some detail. o - What patches have been applied to the base software to integrate with FreeBSD and more specifically security related patches? Again I apologize if these are newbie questions that are answered somewhere in an FAQ. In which case feel free to send me a URL. I picked sshd as that is one service that I will be exposing and I want to make sure that I understand all of this and am not exposing a vulnerable version. Regards, Chad From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 03:57:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1B716A4CF for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smta04.mail.ozemail.net (smta04.mail.ozemail.net [203.103.165.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A89843D1D for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:57:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from cartman.ozemail.com.au ([203.61.128.41]) by smta04.mail.ozemail.net with ESMTP <20040125115706.XWLV11326.smta04.mail.ozemail.net@cartman.ozemail.com.au>; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:57:06 +0000 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040125225536.024aad78@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: pop.ozemail.com.au/110/robbyrnes@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:56:32 +1100 To: Vulpes Velox From: Rob B In-Reply-To: <20040124163255.4a516a7f@vixen42.> References: <20040124143131.05561828@vixen42.> <20040124163255.4a516a7f@vixen42.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wierdness with NIS X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:57:01 -0000 At 09:32 AM 25/01/2004, Vulpes Velox wrote: >On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:31:31 -0600 >Vulpes Velox wrote: > > > I just set up NIS on my lan, but can't get any of the client > > machines to accept logins using it. > > > > On the client machine... /usr/home is exported using NFS. +::::::::: > > is in master.passwd. +:*:: is in group. > > > > I can manage to log in using any user exported by NIS or su to them. > > The wierd part is that I have no probs getting ypcat and yppasswd to > > work... > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > btw all machines in question are running 4stable. > >Solved it... needed to do a pwd_mkdb master.passwd I have a similar issue, excepting that I can login fine, just can't su - Did you run the command on the client or server? Cheers, Rob -- "No man should marry until he has studied anatomy and dissected at least one woman." - Honore de Balzac This is random quote 68 of 1254. Distance from the centre of the brewing universe [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian Public Key fingerprint = 6219 33BD A37B 368D 29F5 19FB 945D C4D7 1F66 D9C5 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 04:20:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D1916A4CF for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3B543D31 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:20:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1])i0PCK1jc010357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:20:01 GMT (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)id i0PCK1H3010356; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:20:01 GMT (envelope-from matthew) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:20:01 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman To: Chad M Stewart Message-ID: <20040125122001.GD5755@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Chad M Stewart , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="osDK9TLjxFScVI/L" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updates and version numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:20:19 -0000 --osDK9TLjxFScVI/L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 05:12:01AM -0500, Chad M Stewart wrote: > Take sshd for example. I started with 4.9-stable and then updated the=20 > system using cvsup in what I believe is the correct manner. After all= =20 > that I am left with >=20 > sshd version OpenSSH_3.5p1 FreeBSD-20030924 > o - what is the base version of OpenSSH that 4.9-stable started with? =20 > Logic says that is 3.5p1, but I want to make sure I'm not missing some=20 > detail. Well, 4.9-STABLE covers the state of the 4-STABLE development branch since 4.9-RELEASE. But the release just marks a point-in-time of the continuous evolution along the 4-STABLE branch. Sounds as if maybe you meant to talk about the 4.9-RELEASE branch, which consists of 4.9-RELEASE + security patches. It is quite possible that OpenSSH 3.7.x will be imported to 4-STABLE, as it has already been imported into 5-CURRENT. It won't be imported to 4.9-RELEASE or 5.2-RELEASE. If there are any security problems discovered in OpenSSH, fixes will be applied to the ssh code in all supported branches (4.8-RELEASE, 4.9-RELEASE, 5.1-RELEASE, 5.2-RELEASE, 4-STABLE), and generally such patches have also been applied to all branches back to 4.3-RELEASE. 5-CURRENT will also be fixed, but as it's not a supported branch, it doesn't get mentioned in advisories. Such patches don't generally modify the version number sshd reports, although for 5-CURRENT and 4-STABLE such patching may be closely followed or replaced by importing the new version from upstream. 4-STABLE currently uses OpenSSH 3.5p1 as it did at the time of 4.9-RELEASE. The last OpenSSH security advisory was FreeBSD-SA-03:15.openssh released shortly before 4.9-RELEASE =20 > o - What patches have been applied to the base software to integrate=20 > with FreeBSD and more specifically security related patches? FreeBSD generally uses the OpenSSH 'portable' release with some quite minor modifications -- see http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/crypto/openssh/FREEBSD-upgrade For details of additional patches, see the list of security advisories at: http://www.freebsd.org/security/ You should subscribe to freebsd-announce@freebsd.org and/or freebsd-security@freebsd.org to receive notification of security advisories. =20 > Again I apologize if these are newbie questions that are answered=20 > somewhere in an FAQ. In which case feel free to send me a URL. I=20 > picked sshd as that is one service that I will be exposing and I want=20 > to make sure that I understand all of this and am not exposing a=20 > vulnerable version. Very sensible. Cheers, Matthew=09 --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --osDK9TLjxFScVI/L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAE7RxdtESqEQa7a0RAliPAJ9z8WuQPi9P38lTebu4c65WfPUrgwCfdhBu 2w7xzjEoK0qyJX3MBMd6GwE= =GVpZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --osDK9TLjxFScVI/L-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 04:57:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C305016A4D0 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:57:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DE943D31 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:57:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0PCvVcj091605; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:57:31 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:57:31 +0300 (MSK) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <20040125122001.GD5755@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <20040125154641.J47656@woozle.rinet.ru> References: <20040125122001.GD5755@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Chad M Stewart cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updates and version numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:57:39 -0000 On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Matthew Seaman wrote: MS> > sshd version OpenSSH_3.5p1 FreeBSD-20030924 MS> MS> It is quite possible that OpenSSH 3.7.x will be imported to 4-STABLE, MS> as it has already been imported into 5-CURRENT. It won't be imported Chances are low, as des@ posted a couple of days ago here: OpenSSH 3.7 does not support Kerberos IV (*) (*): http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=178375+0+archive/2004/freebsd-stable/20040125.freebsd-stable Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 05:04:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6DE16A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:04:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7089D43D3F for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:04:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 20A9D530A; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:04:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id D97DE5309; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:04:30 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 3FAE733C9A; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:04:30 +0100 (CET) To: Chad M Stewart References: <20040125122001.GD5755@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:04:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20040125122001.GD5755@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> (Matthew Seaman's message of "Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:20:01 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: ss X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.61 cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updates and version numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:04:43 -0000 Matthew Seaman writes: > It is quite possible that OpenSSH 3.7.x will be imported to 4-STABLE, No. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 05:08:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9749616A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from rsmba.biz (evrtwa1-ar19-4-41-158-208.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net [4.41.158.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 570D343D49 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:08:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rschi@rsmba.biz) Received: (qmail 417 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 13:08:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO foghorn.rsmba.biz) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 13:08:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:08:11 -0800 From: Richard Schilling To: stable@freebsd.org, wine-devel@winehq.com Message-ID: <20040125130811.GE309@foghorn.rsmba.biz> References: <20040124214735.GE548@foghorn.rsmba.biz> <20040125014550.E790A40822@fw.farid-hajji.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20040125014550.E790A40822@fw.farid-hajji.net>; from cpghost@cordula.ws on Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 17:45:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.4.4 Lines: 90 Subject: Re: New Open Source License: Single Supplier Open Source License X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:08:37 -0000 On 2004.01.24 17:45 Cordula's Web wrote: > [This is OT for stable@ and wine-devel@, but let's contribute anyway...] > > > # Users have freely available access to source code, documentation just like the GPL. > > Access to source coce, documentation etc... is also possible under the > BSD license. Under the [L]GPL, it is mandatory. Under the BSD, and other licenses it's _possible_ but not required to give access to the code - it's up to the developer. The BSD license and several other Open Source licenses allow deriverative works to become closed and there is nothing the developer can do about it. With the license I provide, if a developer wants to require their product *and* deriverative works to be open to the public they can. That's a big difference in the world of licensing. The [L]GPL license makes this the submission of changes mandatory, but the problem is that the unrestricted distribution of the software makes it impossible for the developer to enforce the requirement. And unfortunately, that fact makes the requirement useless. Strictly prohibiting deriverative works to be distributed in ways unintended by the author is the way to guarantee a product and it's deriveratives remain open source. Under BSD, there is no such restriction, so the original author has absoutely no say in how "open" deriverative works are. Under GPL and BSD the developer has absoutely no control or means to keep their work an open source because they cannot remove distribution from people who don't comply. > > > # Users may use, modify, and install the software on as many computers as they want within their organization. > > Right. The number of computers should never matter. In the context of this license it matters greatly. Since the end user cannot distribute the software to others outside their organization, this clause clarifies that they can use the product in an unrestricted way within their organization. It makes the requirement black and white - within your company use the product on all your computers. But don't let it get to computers outside your company. That requirement becomes very clear with this statement. > > > # Any changes made by the user and others get contributed back into the base product > > This is the main difference between BSD and GPL, and you're using > the GPL model here. This is exacly what would prevent commercial > vendors from adopting this license. But, okay. Commercial vendors may not want to adopt this license because they can't get a free ride. I'm perfectly fine with that because I want my company to be a place where Open Source developers can work for real wages. And, that means the developers on this list. If you want to volunteer your time so Apple and any other company can earn millions on your hard work then that's your choice - use a different license. > > > # The developer's right to control who provides services using the product is protected. > > That's a tough one. As long as the developer is _actively_ maintaining > a product, that seems reasonable. But it happens frequently, that many > developers loose interest in supporting a product. Locking the community > out would be counter-productive, to say the least. If a developer really intends to keep their product open source, they can direct others to distribute the work for them. The point is they retain the exclusive right to make that decision. Consequently the end users have a very clear choice then - if the developer can no longer develop the software because, say they have a new job, then the end users can offer that person a job to make it possible for him/her to continue working on the product. Under GPL and other licenses, that person is simply replaced. That's a huge detrement to the quality of a software product because people skills, not the software are what make a software product great. > > > # The developer's right to control who can distribute the software is protected. > > That's even uglier. Neighter the GPL nor the BSD license would be _that_ > restrictive. And see below, in case the developer drops maintenance. Under this license if a developer wants to let the world distribute their product they can specify it - the point is that developer has the ability to grant and revoke that permission to *distribute*. But when end users have downloaded the software they can use it indefinitely and modify it for their own use. > > # The developer and all contributors retain copyright of their individual works. > > That is already the case with [L]GPL and BSD licenses. What's new here? The problem with [L]GPL and BSD is that if someone does not turn in their changes then the developer has no recourse to enforce the requirment. Under this license they can. > > # The software is always downloaded from the same place by the end user even if it's used as part of a larger product, protecting the quality of the software. > > See above. > > I'd suggest to add a clause of mandatory maintainership, that would > void the exclusive right of the developer/author to maintain and > distribute his/her work, if the originator fails to update his/her > product after some (yet-to-be-specified) time. Orphaned products could > then automatically fall under the BSD license (or GPL, or anything > less restrictive as what you're suggesting). This license would not be appropriate to use if your goal is to create software as purely a volunteer effort. This license gives an incentive for companies to pay the original developer and contributors for their time to continue developing an open source product, or failing that to pay them for the right to distribute the product and provide services. If a particular product is truly valuable to an end user, and it was necessary to "keep the product going" then the user has an incentive to pay the developer/contributors for the time they invested, *and* to pay them for their time to transfer knowledge about the product. Furthermore, by keeping the original developer involved in the transfer of knowledge, the original developer the ability to ensure the quality of training. > > > Please feel free to contact me on or off list about this announcement. > > What are you trying to achieve with this, which can't already be > achieved through BSD or [L]GPL licensing schemes? > I am trying to make it possible for people to earn a living as Open Source developers. I am also making it possible for companies that do Open Source development as their primary activiey to provide jobs to those (like those on this list) who invest their time into Open Source products. Richard > > Richard Schilling > > -- > Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ > > > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 05:10:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF8B16A4D8 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rsmba.biz (evrtwa1-ar19-4-41-158-208.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net [4.41.158.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0264643D5A for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:10:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rschi@rsmba.biz) Received: (qmail 421 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 13:09:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO foghorn.rsmba.biz) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 13:09:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:09:42 -0800 From: Richard Schilling To: stable@freebsd.org, wine-devel@winehq.com Message-ID: <20040125130942.GG309@foghorn.rsmba.biz> References: <20040124214735.GE548@foghorn.rsmba.biz> <40131AEA.2000804@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.4.4 Lines: 35 Subject: Fwd: Re: New Open Source License: Single Supplier Open Source License [rschi@rsmba.biz] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:10:33 -0000 On 2004.01.24 17:24 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Richard Schilling wrote: > > I would like to present to you all a new Open Source software license I've written up. > [ ... ] > > One the face of it, Section III, "Distribution Restrictions and Obligations." > of your license fails to comply with OSD #1 & 2: > > "1. Free Redistribution > > The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the > software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing > programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a > royalty or other fee for such sale. Several licenses on opensource.org permit code to be incorporated into a proprietary product and sold. This means, also that the person creating the deriverative or combined work can restrict others from selling their product. In this respect there is no difference from my license. Under my license if a developer wants to release the code to you, and allow you to distribute, he/she can. The point is that the developer has the exclusive right to make that decision. > > 2. Source Code > > The program must include source code, and must allow distribution in source > code as well as compiled form...." If a developer chooses to not release their code, that's up to them, in which case I would not call the _software_ an Open Source product. However, the license is Open Source because it does not prevent the distribution of code - it simply requires the end user to get the code from the source that the developer approves of. If a developer says the product can be distributed through Sourceforge, then it can. > > See http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php. I read that very carefully. Richard ----- End Forwarded Message ----- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 05:13:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B544A16A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from rsmba.biz (evrtwa1-ar19-4-41-158-208.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net [4.41.158.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A251843D58 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:13:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rschi@rsmba.biz) Received: (qmail 435 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 13:12:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO foghorn.rsmba.biz) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 13:12:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:12:38 -0800 From: Richard Schilling To: stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040125131238.GI309@foghorn.rsmba.biz> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from wwoods@cybcon.com on Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 19:14:29 -0800 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.4.4 Lines: 10 Subject: Re: New Open Source License: Single Supplier Open Source License X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:13:06 -0000 On 2004.01.24 19:14 Bill Woods wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Cordula's Web wrote: > > And this has what do do with FreeBSD Stable ? > It's simply a notification that I will be distributing some of my original works under this license. Since FreeBSD is the mainstay operating system for me and my company, we forsee at some point to start releasing new BSD add-ons under this license. Richard From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 06:51:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96FB16A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906EA43D46 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 06:51:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from william (12-220-207-208.client.insightbb.com[12.220.207.208]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20040125145146im200pfrp5e>; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:51:46 +0000 From: "William Woods" To: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:51:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040125131238.GI309@foghorn.rsmba.biz> Subject: RE: New Open Source License: Single Supplier Open Source License X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:51:49 -0000 The please create you OWN mailing list for those interested in YOUR company. The MAJORITY of us here could care less. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Richard Schilling Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 8:13 AM To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Open Source License: Single Supplier Open Source License On 2004.01.24 19:14 Bill Woods wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Cordula's Web wrote: > > And this has what do do with FreeBSD Stable ? > It's simply a notification that I will be distributing some of my original works under this license. Since FreeBSD is the mainstay operating system for me and my company, we forsee at some point to start releasing new BSD add-ons under this license. Richard _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 09:21:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCFB16A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A4F43D2F for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:21:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com ([68.161.129.47]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040125172130.NMKA17235.out011.verizon.net@mac.com>; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:21:30 -0600 Message-ID: <4013FB11.4040100@mac.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:21:21 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Schilling References: <20040124214735.GE548@foghorn.rsmba.biz> <40131AEA.2000804@mac.com> <20040125130942.GG309@foghorn.rsmba.biz> In-Reply-To: <20040125130942.GG309@foghorn.rsmba.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [68.161.129.47] at Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:21:30 -0600 cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Open Source License: Single Supplier Open Source License [rschi@rsmba.biz] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:21:33 -0000 Richard Schilling wrote: [ ... ] Richard, the best place for you to discuss your license and have it reviewed for compliance with the OSI Open Source(tm) definition is . If you submit your license following the procedure as documented on www.opensource.org, the OSI board of directors will review and respond appropriately. It's off-topic here. > Several licenses on opensource.org permit code to be incorporated into a > proprietary product and sold. This means, also that the person creating the > deriverative or combined work can restrict others from selling their product. If the derivative work has such a restriction, the derivative is not under an Open Source software license. If the original work has restrictions which prevent the software from being "freely" redistributed, or which restrict commercial (re)use, the original license would not be Open Source, either. [ ... ] > If a developer chooses to not release their code, that's up to them, in > which case I would not call the _software_ an Open Source product. However, > the license is Open Source because it does not prevent the distribution of > code - it simply requires the end user to get the code from the source that > the developer approves of. If a developer says the product can be distributed > through Sourceforge, then it can. Good example! If you submit a project under your SSOSL, you will presumably discover that SourceForge won't host the project after they review the license. (Seriously.) They'll even tell you why. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 10:54:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916E316A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao08.cox.net (lakemtao08.cox.net [68.1.17.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B1843D3F for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:54:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com) Received: from fennec ([68.109.49.234]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040125185453.IASU2412.lakemtao08.cox.net@fennec>; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:54:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:55:06 +0000 From: Vulpes Velox To: Rob B Message-Id: <20040125105506.3778861c@fennec> In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040125225536.024aad78@127.0.0.1> References: <20040124143131.05561828@vixen42.> <20040124163255.4a516a7f@vixen42.> <6.0.1.1.2.20040125225536.024aad78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wierdness with NIS X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:54:55 -0000 On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:56:32 +1100 Rob B wrote: > At 09:32 AM 25/01/2004, Vulpes Velox wrote: > >On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:31:31 -0600 > >Vulpes Velox wrote: > > > > > I just set up NIS on my lan, but can't get any of the client > > > machines to accept logins using it. > > > > > > On the client machine... /usr/home is exported using NFS. > > > +::::::::: is in master.passwd. +:*:: is in group. > > > > > > I can manage to log in using any user exported by NIS or su to > > > them. The wierd part is that I have no probs getting ypcat and > > > yppasswd to work... > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > btw all machines in question are running 4stable. > > > >Solved it... needed to do a pwd_mkdb master.passwd > > I have a similar issue, excepting that I can login fine, just can't > su - > > Did you run the command on the client or server? I can su on both. What you need to do to fix that is either export wheel to that machine or add that user to the wheel on the machine. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 12:26:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC1716A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC10643D45 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:26:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D979272DBF; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F0572DB5; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:26:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:26:00 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Tom Glover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040125122536.K81485@carver.gumbysoft.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise controller and 5.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:26:03 -0000 On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Tom Glover wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Doug White wrote: > > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Tom Glover wrote: > > > > > > > > I am running 5.2-RELEASE with a Promise S150 TX4 Serial ATA RAID > > > controller and a couple of WDC SATA drives at RAID 1. I am noticing some > > > behavior that does not seem right to me. > > > > > > Systems boots fine on the two mirrored drives. If I disconnect the drive > > > on channel 2 then the system continues to run. However if I disconnect the > > > drive on channel 1 it dies. > > > > Can you explain "dies"? > > No response on console. Sounds like your Promise gets thrown for a loop and sticks the interrupt if a disk disappears. Don't Do That. :) -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 13:50:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9A016A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C9943D45 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7AD0372DBF; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7879A72DB5; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:50:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:50:22 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Jozef Babjak In-Reply-To: <20040119080824.GA9019@neuron.tuke.sk> Message-ID: <20040125124240.Y81485@carver.gumbysoft.com> References: <20040119080824.GA9019@neuron.tuke.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with mounting cd: "cd9660: /dev/acd0c: Invalid argument:" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:50:25 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Jozef Babjak wrote: > Hi, > > when I try to mount data cd (not audio), I obtain following error: > > [root]{~}<8:43:19>mount /cdrom > cd9660: /dev/acd0c: Invalid argument > [root]{~}<8:43:26> Some other folks are having this problem but unfortunately I'm not able to reproduce. I have a Sony CRX-300E that seems to work as it should, even with atapi_dma enabled. I'm assuming the EINVAL is coming back from the mount attempt. > This problem starts after upgrading 4.9-RELEASE to 4.9-STABLE via CVSup > /src/sys source tree and make > buildworld/buildkernel/installkernel/installworld (kernel and rest system > are sync). Before upgrade mentioned above everything worked well. I run > 'MAKEDEV all' from mergemaster after installing new kernel & world. Hm... I can't reproduce this on my system. -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 15:12:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC31216A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (u46n208.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.46.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9471243D3F for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 68DDF36455; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:08:53 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5978635486 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:08:53 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:08:53 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040125190732.C96629@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: ThreadSafe SSL ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:12:58 -0000 Back in April, the following was posted to GnATs: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-bugs/2003-April/000362.html Is there a reason why modifying the Makefile.inc as detailed is a bad idea? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 23:58:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225D116A4CE for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2778B43D31 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:58:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.homeunix.net (66-91-236-204.san.rr.com [66.91.236.204]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41668836B9; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:58:05 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr To: Frank Knobbe , stable@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:58:06 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040122175800.UCGD116070.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@win2000> <200401221437.28629.skquinn@xevious.kicks-ass.net> <1075014010.789.21.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1075014010.789.21.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401252358.06064.wes@softweyr.com> Subject: Re: cvsup2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:58:08 -0000 On Saturday 24 January 2004 11:00 pm, Frank Knobbe wrote: > On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 14:37, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > On Thursday 2004 January 22 12:50, Craig Boston wrote: > > > On Thursday 22 January 2004 12:10 pm, Will Andrews wrote: > > > > So use another one? Like maybe cvsup12.freebsd.org? :) > > > > > > Sssshhh!!! Don't tell anybody about cvsup12... > > > I like it being really really _FAST_ ;-) > > > > I personally use cvsup11 now. I think I switched several times after > > cvsup2 started reaching capacity some months ago. > > This may be a silly question, but why doesn't cvsup.freebsd.org list > all of the others in a round-robin setup? That way people can still use > their preferred servers directly (e.g. cvsup11.), yet load can be > distributed amongst all of them by just using cvsup.freebsd.org. D00dz: ports/sys/utils/fastest_cvsup is your friend. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 01:14:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2522016A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from cray.e-card.bg (mjak.e-card.bg [212.91.167.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E3D43D1F for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:14:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from altares@cray.e-card.bg) Received: from cray.e-card.bg (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cray.e-card.bg (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0Q9EQ4P002409 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:14:26 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from altares@cray.e-card.bg) Received: (from altares@localhost) by cray.e-card.bg (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i0Q9EOpe002408 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:14:24 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:14:24 +0200 From: Rumen Telbizov To: stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:14:19 -0000 Dear List, I would like to know if anyone has installed one of those Rainbow CryptoSwift PCI, SSL accelerators under FreeBSD? I was looking in the LINT file about the support of those cards but couldn't find anything. As far as I know there should be a kld (or in-kernel) support for those and some sort of integration between openssl and the card. My configuration is: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE, Apache 1.3+mod_ssl and openssl! Thank you in advance. P.S. If you have any experience with any other cards (non Rainbow) I would appreciate if you share your opinion. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 04:57:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F13516A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033DE43D49 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:57:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0QCv2UE036038; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:57:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simian.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0QCv3Nq002296; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:57:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040126074335.04528dc8@209.112.4.2> X-Sender: mdtpop@209.112.4.2 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:57:12 -0500 To: Rumen Telbizov , stable@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> References: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:57:11 -0000 I dont know about the card you mention below, but the ones specifically mentioned in the man pages are safe (4) ubsec (4) hifn (4) We have used HiFn 7951 based cards with really great results for IPSEC and ssh acceleration. We bought the cards from www.soekris.com (VPN1201 and VPN1211). The new card, the vpn1401 looks promising, but the drivers are broken right now so I would stay away from it and cards based on that chip. ---Mike At 04:14 AM 26/01/2004, Rumen Telbizov wrote: >Dear List, > >I would like to know if anyone has installed one of those >Rainbow CryptoSwift PCI, SSL accelerators under FreeBSD? >I was looking in the LINT file about the support of those >cards but couldn't find anything. >As far as I know there should be a kld (or in-kernel) support for >those and some sort of integration between openssl and the >card. >My configuration is: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE, Apache 1.3+mod_ssl >and openssl! > >Thank you in advance. > >P.S. >If you have any experience with any other cards (non Rainbow) >I would appreciate if you share your opinion. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 05:01:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E04B16A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper.zs64.net [212.12.50.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC7C43D48 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:01:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@schlepper.zs64.net) Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper [212.12.50.230]) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.12.10/8.11.1) with ESMTP id i0QD14Ei043656; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:01:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cracauer@schlepper.zs64.net) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0QD14Bq043655; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:01:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:01:04 -0500 From: Martin Cracauer To: java@cons.org Message-ID: <20040126080104.A43491@cons.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Currently no Java for Linux-Mozilla on 4-Stable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:01:07 -0000 Hey folks, I was trying to install a jvm for the linux-mozilla port on 4-stable. 4-stable of yesterday (updated) and all ports of yesterday except as indicated. I am through all of them, blackdown-1.3, blackdown-1.4.2, checked out the previous blackdown-1.4.1, Sun-1.3.1 and Sun-1.4.2. Most of them have incompatible C++ interfaces to the current linux-mozilla, except blackdown-1.4.2, which doesn't run with "linux: syscall mmap2 is obsoleted or not implemented" and Sun-1.4.2 which abort with a segmentation fault in hotspot. Doh. Anyboody know how I can disable hotspot in the Sun JVM for a plugin I know how to do it when calling the jvm directly, but for the plugin I cannot give commandline parameters. And in the 1.4.x installs there is no hot spot directoy to move away. Setting everything to -classic in jvm.conf didn't change anything. Thanks! Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ No warranty. This email is probably produced by one of my cats stepping on the keys. No, I don't have an infinite number of cats. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 05:01:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A751616A4CE; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper.zs64.net [212.12.50.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3346F43D39; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:01:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@schlepper.zs64.net) Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper [212.12.50.230]) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.12.10/8.11.1) with ESMTP id i0QD1UEi043676; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:01:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cracauer@schlepper.zs64.net) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0QD1Uii043675; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:01:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:01:30 -0500 From: Martin Cracauer To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040126080104.A43491@cons.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Currently no Java for Linux-Mozilla on 4-Stable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:01:32 -0000 Hey folks, I was trying to install a jvm for the linux-mozilla port on 4-stable. 4-stable of yesterday (updated) and all ports of yesterday except as indicated. I am through all of them, blackdown-1.3, blackdown-1.4.2, checked out the previous blackdown-1.4.1, Sun-1.3.1 and Sun-1.4.2. Most of them have incompatible C++ interfaces to the current linux-mozilla, except blackdown-1.4.2, which doesn't run with "linux: syscall mmap2 is obsoleted or not implemented" and Sun-1.4.2 which abort with a segmentation fault in hotspot. Doh. Anyboody know how I can disable hotspot in the Sun JVM for a plugin I know how to do it when calling the jvm directly, but for the plugin I cannot give commandline parameters. And in the 1.4.x installs there is no hot spot directoy to move away. Setting everything to -classic in jvm.conf didn't change anything. Thanks! Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ No warranty. This email is probably produced by one of my cats stepping on the keys. No, I don't have an infinite number of cats. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 05:41:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0412C16A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.rotfl.com.au (eth1779.sa.adsl.internode.on.net [150.101.235.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B4843D72 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:41:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from philk@rotfl.com.au) Received: from undisclosed by mail.rotfl.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF395747F9; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:11:32 +1030 (CST) Received: from mail.rotfl.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.rotfl.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 91990-06; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:11:28 +1030 (CST) In-Reply-To: <20040126080104.A43491@cons.org> To: Martin Cracauer Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:11:28 +1030 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL98b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20040126134128.6EA8A747F7@mail.rotfl.com.au> From: philk@rotfl.com.au (Phil Kernick) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at rotfl.com.au cc: java@cons.org cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Currently no Java for Linux-Mozilla on 4-Stable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:41:37 -0000 Hi Martin, > I was trying to install a jvm for the linux-mozilla port on 4-stable. > 4-stable of yesterday (updated) and all ports of yesterday except as > indicated. Minor question. Why not install the FreeBSD native mozilla, and then the java/jdk13 port, which does work correctly. Phil. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 07:39:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB5E16A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from cray.e-card.bg (mjak.e-card.bg [212.91.167.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AC443D8F for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:37:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from altares@cray.e-card.bg) Received: from cray.e-card.bg (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cray.e-card.bg (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0QFYZJx000747; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:34:35 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from altares@cray.e-card.bg) Received: (from altares@localhost) by cray.e-card.bg (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i0QFYUJ1000746; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:34:30 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:34:30 +0200 From: Rumen Telbizov To: Mike Tancsa Message-ID: <20040126153430.GA230@e-card.bg> References: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> <6.0.1.1.0.20040126074335.04528dc8@209.112.4.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040126074335.04528dc8@209.112.4.2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:39:54 -0000 Thank for the reply Mike. I took a look at those cards (vpn1201 and vpn1211). They don't seem to have AES support and only support 2-8 RSA connections/sec. Rainbow say that their cards support 1000 RSA connections/sec which is quite astonishing. The vpn1401 and vpn1411 seem to have better performance but as you said the hifn(4) driver support is broken for those :( Anyway it would be interesting for me if you share your opinion about the performance you gained from those (1201 - 1211) cards in comparison to the software computations. It would be nice if tell me how much did you pay for these cards because there are no prices on the site! I read in a mailing list that the Rainbow's card (cryptoswift) is 1000 GBP. An interesing topic is if this performance could be gained with an smp machine (say 2-4 xeons + lots of RAM) instead of paying 1000 GBP for a card. I am still new in this research but there are no representatives in my country nor there are prices on the vendors' sites and I cannot make any comparison. I would greatly appreciate all your hints. Rumen Telbizov On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 07:57:12AM -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > I dont know about the card you mention below, but the ones specifically > mentioned in the man pages are > > safe (4) > ubsec (4) > hifn (4) > > We have used HiFn 7951 based cards with really great results for IPSEC and > ssh acceleration. We bought the cards from www.soekris.com (VPN1201 and > VPN1211). The new card, the vpn1401 looks promising, but the drivers are > broken right now so I would stay away from it and cards based on that chip. > > ---Mike > > At 04:14 AM 26/01/2004, Rumen Telbizov wrote: > >Dear List, > > > >I would like to know if anyone has installed one of those > >Rainbow CryptoSwift PCI, SSL accelerators under FreeBSD? > >I was looking in the LINT file about the support of those > >cards but couldn't find anything. > >As far as I know there should be a kld (or in-kernel) support for > >those and some sort of integration between openssl and the > >card. > >My configuration is: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE, Apache 1.3+mod_ssl > >and openssl! > > > >Thank you in advance. > > > >P.S. > >If you have any experience with any other cards (non Rainbow) > >I would appreciate if you share your opinion. > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 07:56:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F77E16A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from cray.e-card.bg (mjak.e-card.bg [212.91.167.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2A543D2F for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from altares@cray.e-card.bg) Received: from cray.e-card.bg (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cray.e-card.bg (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0QFu2Jx001120; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:56:02 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from altares@cray.e-card.bg) Received: (from altares@localhost) by cray.e-card.bg (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i0QFu0nn001119; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:56:00 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:56:00 +0200 From: Rumen Telbizov To: Charles Swiger Message-ID: <20040126155600.GB230@e-card.bg> References: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> <6889E365-5016-11D8-B821-003065A20588@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6889E365-5016-11D8-B821-003065A20588@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:56:29 -0000 Thanks Chuck, I saw the price on the site it's $79 for the vpn1201. Another question: While looking in the crypto(4) man page I saw a list of all the "potential" cryptographic features. They are: CRYPTO_DES_CBC CRYPTO_3DES_CBC CRYPTO_BLF_CBC CRYPTO_CAST_CBC CRYPTO_SKIPJACK_CBC CRYPTO_MD5_HMAC CRYPTO_SHA1_HMAC CRYPTO_RIPEMD160_HMAC CRYPTO_MD5_KPDK CRYPTO_SHA1_KPDK CRYPTO_AES_CBC CRYPTO_ARC4 CRYPTO_MD5 CRYPTO_SHA1 CRK_MOD_EXP CRK_MOD_EXP_CRT CRK_DSA_SIGN CRK_DSA_VERIFY CRK_DH_COMPUTE_KEY I don't see anything related to RSA computations?! Do you see any real acceleration in the RSA operations while using this card or there is NO support for RSA in the crypto device ? Thanks in advance Rumen Telbizov On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 10:43:38AM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Jan 26, 2004, at 4:14 AM, Rumen Telbizov wrote: > >I would like to know if anyone has installed one of those > >Rainbow CryptoSwift PCI, SSL accelerators under FreeBSD? > > I'm using the HiFN 7951 from Soekris.com which performs crypto > acceleration: > > hifn0 mem 0xf4100000-0xf4100fff,0xf4101000-0xf4101fff irq 7 at device > 13.0 on pci0 > hifn0: Hifn 7951, rev 0, 128KB sram, 193 sessions > > This card doesn't do AES, however, just the older algorithms like DES. > > -- > -Chuck > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 08:01:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B735316A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165CF43D2D for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virus-gate.meiway.com [212.73.210.91]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 58A33EF46A for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:00:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.meiway.com [127.0.0.1]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A6CB5D00B for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:02:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01955D009 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:02:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from tx0.Go2France.com [24.242.169.51] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AE2CB96018C; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:19:56 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040126100007.0587e738@mail.go2france.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.go2france.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:00:44 -0600 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040126074335.04528dc8@209.112.4.2> References: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> <6.0.1.1.0.20040126074335.04528dc8@209.112.4.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:01:07 -0000 >We have used HiFn 7951 based cards with really great results for IPSEC and >ssh acceleration. what about https acceleration? Len _____________________________________________________________________ http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training : Chicago; Wash DC; Atlanta http://IMGate.MEIway.com : free anti-spam gateway, runs on 1000's of sites From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 08:09:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A041916A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBC243D73 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:08:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i0QFhWHN008526; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (pool-68-160-236-34.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.160.236.34]) (authenticated bits=0)i0QFhWIc004316; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:43:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> References: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6889E365-5016-11D8-B821-003065A20588@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:43:38 -0500 To: Rumen Telbizov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:09:01 -0000 On Jan 26, 2004, at 4:14 AM, Rumen Telbizov wrote: > I would like to know if anyone has installed one of those > Rainbow CryptoSwift PCI, SSL accelerators under FreeBSD? I'm using the HiFN 7951 from Soekris.com which performs crypto acceleration: hifn0 mem 0xf4100000-0xf4100fff,0xf4101000-0xf4101fff irq 7 at device 13.0 on pci0 hifn0: Hifn 7951, rev 0, 128KB sram, 193 sessions This card doesn't do AES, however, just the older algorithms like DES. -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 08:30:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7A416A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:30:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-84.apple.com [17.250.248.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3121E43D31 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:30:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i0QGUJ4O011655; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (pool-68-160-236-34.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.160.236.34]) (authenticated bits=0)i0QGUGIc028272; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:30:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20040126155600.GB230@e-card.bg> References: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> <6889E365-5016-11D8-B821-003065A20588@mac.com> <20040126155600.GB230@e-card.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:30:22 -0500 To: Rumen Telbizov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:30:33 -0000 On Jan 26, 2004, at 10:56 AM, Rumen Telbizov wrote: [ ... ] > I don't see anything related to RSA computations?! > Do you see any real acceleration in the RSA operations > while using this card or there is NO support for RSA in > the crypto device ? It might be worth asking the author of cryptodev and hifn whether the manpage is current with regard to RSA support. For my purposes, adding entropy and speeding up 3DES for ssh is useful, but you are right that HTTPS acceleration will want RSA. The hifn cards will do ARC4/MD5/SHA, which is still helpful to your situation, but doing SSL session startup with a 1024-bit RSA server certificate tends to be the hit that slows down a busy site, not streaming 40/128-bit encryption afterwards. Here's the results of an "openssl speed" on a machine with a 933MHz Tualatin: OpenSSL 0.9.7c 30 Sep 2003 built on: Mon Jan 19 17:09:38 EST 2004 options:bn(64,32) md2(int) rc4(idx,int) des(ptr,risc1,16,long) aes(partial) blowfish(idx) compiler: cc available timing options: USE_TOD HZ=128 [sysconf value] timing function used: getrusage The 'numbers' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed. type 16 bytes 64 bytes 256 bytes 1024 bytes 8192 bytes md2 620.93k 1321.03k 1840.87k 2043.58k 2109.85k mdc2 1216.23k 1340.13k 1379.00k 1386.49k 1392.69k md4 5238.60k 18516.78k 53933.28k 103206.39k 141003.58k md5 3403.53k 10198.36k 23224.80k 34163.24k 39580.86k hmac(md5) 1853.72k 6250.73k 17093.20k 30202.23k 38852.70k sha1 3834.47k 9754.21k 23442.41k 36293.86k 43284.01k rmd160 3402.43k 9754.38k 20798.38k 28830.32k 32526.01k rc4 63056.66k 72429.52k 76481.40k 76876.09k 77175.42k des cbc 5793.26k 5932.76k 5974.18k 5984.65k 5987.75k des ede3 2522.17k 2549.38k 2560.15k 2562.74k 2565.13k idea cbc 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 rc2 cbc 7170.32k 7373.37k 7451.72k 7474.13k 7527.15k rc5-32/12 cbc 36376.64k 42649.09k 45031.39k 45666.52k 45844.24k blowfish cbc 15556.50k 16535.16k 16851.46k 16930.07k 16962.81k cast cbc 15316.29k 16194.30k 16490.12k 16564.61k 16580.42k aes-128 cbc 14087.20k 14768.17k 14920.34k 14969.05k 14981.57k aes-192 cbc 12415.22k 12648.94k 12721.03k 12741.74k 12740.70k aes-256 cbc 11021.74k 11247.24k 11286.85k 11298.91k 11300.38k sign verify sign/s verify/s rsa 512 bits 0.0031s 0.0003s 326.2 3032.8 rsa 1024 bits 0.0161s 0.0009s 61.9 1114.6 rsa 2048 bits 0.0959s 0.0029s 10.4 346.7 rsa 4096 bits 0.6236s 0.0098s 1.6 101.9 sign verify sign/s verify/s dsa 512 bits 0.0026s 0.0033s 382.9 304.3 dsa 1024 bits 0.0079s 0.0097s 126.8 102.6 dsa 2048 bits 0.0263s 0.0319s 38.1 31.3 396.70s real 395.67s user 0.03s system 99% -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 08:50:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB65A16A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from cray.e-card.bg (mjak.e-card.bg [212.91.167.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2291D43D31 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:49:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from altares@cray.e-card.bg) Received: from cray.e-card.bg (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cray.e-card.bg (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0QGnrJx001912; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:49:53 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from altares@cray.e-card.bg) Received: (from altares@localhost) by cray.e-card.bg (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i0QGnmEs001911; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:49:48 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:49:48 +0200 From: Rumen Telbizov To: Charles Swiger Message-ID: <20040126164948.GD230@e-card.bg> References: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> <6889E365-5016-11D8-B821-003065A20588@mac.com> <20040126155600.GB230@e-card.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:50:01 -0000 On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 11:30:22AM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Jan 26, 2004, at 10:56 AM, Rumen Telbizov wrote: > [ ... ] > >I don't see anything related to RSA computations?! > >Do you see any real acceleration in the RSA operations > >while using this card or there is NO support for RSA in > >the crypto device ? > > It might be worth asking the author of cryptodev and hifn whether the > manpage is current with regard to RSA support. For my purposes, adding > entropy and speeding up 3DES for ssh is useful, but you are right that > HTTPS acceleration will want RSA. > > The hifn cards will do ARC4/MD5/SHA, which is still helpful to your > situation, but doing SSL session startup with a 1024-bit RSA server > certificate tends to be the hit that slows down a busy site, not > streaming 40/128-bit encryption afterwards. > > Here's the results of an "openssl speed" on a machine with a 933MHz > Tualatin: Well I my case the traffic that I will transfer will be very low. The highest load is going to be in the authentication (client based certificates) which is RSA public/private keys computations. So the symetric cryptography is not a big interest. As it is well known the public key encryption is not a big problem since the public exponent is chosen to be one of the 3,17,65537 primes. The slowdown is in the private key operations - they are very SLOW! In this test the key column is SIGN - because then we have private key used! Here are my results on a Celeron 1700 of the RSA: rsa 2048 bits 0.1024s 0.0030s 9.8 336.4 compared to yours: > rsa 2048 bits 0.0959s 0.0029s 10.4 346.7 10.4(you) against 9.8(me) is not that much taking into account that you have a crypto-card (which one did you use to make this test?) This makes me think that it might be worth buying more powerfull processors than buying a crypto-card. Thank you for your test. Rumen Telbizov From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 09:28:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22BF16A4CE; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper.zs64.net [212.12.50.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705C343D1F; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:28:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@schlepper.zs64.net) Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper [212.12.50.230]) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.12.10/8.11.1) with ESMTP id i0QHSeEi055460; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:28:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cracauer@schlepper.zs64.net) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0QHSYAD055459; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:28:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:28:34 -0500 From: Martin Cracauer To: Phil Kernick Message-ID: <20040126122834.A55323@cons.org> References: <20040126080104.A43491@cons.org> <20040126134128.6EA8A747F7@mail.rotfl.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20040126134128.6EA8A747F7@mail.rotfl.com.au>; from philk@rotfl.com.au on Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 12:11:28AM +1030 cc: java@freebsd.org cc: Martin Cracauer cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Currently no Java for Linux-Mozilla on 4-Stable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:28:43 -0000 Phil Kernick wrote on Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 12:11:28AM +1030: > Hi Martin, > > > I was trying to install a jvm for the linux-mozilla port on 4-stable. > > 4-stable of yesterday (updated) and all ports of yesterday except as > > indicated. > > Minor question. Why not install the FreeBSD native mozilla, > and then the java/jdk13 port, which does work correctly. I want to use other plugins which also come as Linux binary only. I would also like to share binary of Firebird across my Linux and FreeBSD machines (want to have special build options like SVG and don't want to compile twice). Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ No warranty. This email is probably produced by one of my cats stepping on the keys. No, I don't have an infinite number of cats. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 10:27:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BDE16A4CE; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAB743D1F; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:27:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0QIPTUd014376; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:25:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (robert@localhost)i0QIPRj1014373; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:25:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:25:27 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Rumen Telbizov In-Reply-To: <20040126153430.GA230@e-card.bg> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: stable@freebsd.org cc: sam@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:27:53 -0000 On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Rumen Telbizov wrote: > Thank for the reply Mike. > > I took a look at those cards (vpn1201 and vpn1211). They don't seem to > have AES support and only support 2-8 RSA connections/sec. Rainbow say > that their cards support 1000 RSA connections/sec which is quite > astonishing. The vpn1401 and vpn1411 seem to have better performance > but as you said the hifn(4) driver support is broken for those :( Poul-Henning recently sent me some performance numbers from his initial work to hook GEOM up to the AES support in the crypto framework using the VPN1401/1411. He didn't seem to report any brokenness in the driver in -CURRENT. The support may not yet have been MFC'd to -STABLE yet, however. I've CC'd Sam since his fingerprints are all over the code in question. :-) Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects robert@fledge.watson.org Senior Research Scientist, McAfee Research From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 10:36:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4151416A4D6 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB5743D1F for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:36:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0QIaXUE028240; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:36:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simian.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0QIaYNq003576; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:36:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040126133001.03407760@209.112.4.2> X-Sender: mdtpop@209.112.4.2 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:35:25 -0500 To: Rumen Telbizov From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <20040126153430.GA230@e-card.bg> References: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> <6.0.1.1.0.20040126074335.04528dc8@209.112.4.2> <20040126153430.GA230@e-card.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:36:44 -0000 At 10:34 AM 26/01/2004, Rumen Telbizov wrote: >Thank for the reply Mike. > >I took a look at those cards (vpn1201 and vpn1211). >They don't seem to have AES support and only support >2-8 RSA connections/sec. Check the man pages to see what is actually supported. The chip might do XX but the drivers might not do what you want. I repeat, check the man pages :-) >Rainbow say that their cards >support 1000 RSA connections/sec which is quite astonishing. But is there FreeBSD support ? >Anyway it would be interesting for me if you share your >opinion about the performance you gained from those (1201 - 1211) >cards in comparison to the software computations. >It would be nice if tell me how much did you pay for these >cards because there are no prices on the site! The prices are on the site http://www.soekris.com/how_to_buy.htm >I read in a mailing list that the Rainbow's card (cryptoswift) >is 1000 GBP. The 1201 is $79USD vs $1,800USD for the above card. >An interesing topic is if this performance could be gained >with an smp machine (say 2-4 xeons + lots of RAM) instead >of paying 1000 GBP for a card. Apart from a number of soekris boxes with the 1211s, I have a number of backup servers that take dumps and tar files over ssh. For me, using 3des ssh over offloaded onto the HiFn card keeps the load average quite low on the target server so I dont have to worry about scheduling issues. ---Mike From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 10:39:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839E716A4CE; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:39:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [66.127.85.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9752943D46; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) Received: from 66.127.85.91 ([66.127.85.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0QIc8HQ001004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:38:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) From: Sam Leffler Organization: Errno Consulting To: Robert Watson , Rumen Telbizov Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:42:11 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401261042.11992.sam@errno.com> cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:39:34 -0000 On Monday 26 January 2004 10:25 am, Robert Watson wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Rumen Telbizov wrote: > > Thank for the reply Mike. > > > > I took a look at those cards (vpn1201 and vpn1211). They don't seem to > > have AES support and only support 2-8 RSA connections/sec. Rainbow say > > that their cards support 1000 RSA connections/sec which is quite > > astonishing. The vpn1401 and vpn1411 seem to have better performance > > but as you said the hifn(4) driver support is broken for those :( > > Poul-Henning recently sent me some performance numbers from his initial > work to hook GEOM up to the AES support in the crypto framework using the > VPN1401/1411. He didn't seem to report any brokenness in the driver in > -CURRENT. The support may not yet have been MFC'd to -STABLE yet, > however. I've CC'd Sam since his fingerprints are all over the code in > question. :-) Asymmetric crypto calculations are presently very slow because the code is unchanged from openbsd. Each operation malloc's several buffers and requires multiple context switches to insure the mallocs can be done in a blockable context. In addition the asymmetric crypto handling code has not been optimized using the techniques applied to the symmetric crypto code paths. If these issues were addressed we'd probably get similar results. Not sure about the comment about the hifn driver being broken. If there's something wrong noone's reported it to me. Sam From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 10:42:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D0E16A4CF; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:42:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [66.127.85.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6F443D67; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:41:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) Received: from 66.127.85.91 ([66.127.85.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0QIf6HQ001036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:41:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) From: Sam Leffler Organization: Errno Consulting To: Robert Watson , Rumen Telbizov Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:45:44 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <200401261042.11992.sam@errno.com> In-Reply-To: <200401261042.11992.sam@errno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401261045.44288.sam@errno.com> cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:42:07 -0000 On Monday 26 January 2004 10:42 am, Sam Leffler wrote: > Not sure about the comment about the hifn driver being broken. If there's > something wrong noone's reported it to me. Oh, this is probably a reference to the problem with the driver stalling on 1401/1411 cards. Yes, that was reported, my mistake. Sam From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 10:56:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0ED16A4CE; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9B443D46; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:55:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0QItoUE033448; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:55:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simian.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0QItrNq003718; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:55:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040126134440.07bb5ba8@209.112.4.2> X-Sender: mdtpop@209.112.4.2 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:54:30 -0500 To: Sam Leffler , Robert Watson From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <200401261045.44288.sam@errno.com> References: <200401261042.11992.sam@errno.com> <200401261045.44288.sam@errno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:56:18 -0000 At 01:45 PM 26/01/2004, Sam Leffler wrote: >On Monday 26 January 2004 10:42 am, Sam Leffler wrote: > > > Not sure about the comment about the hifn driver being broken. If there's > > something wrong noone's reported it to me. > >Oh, this is probably a reference to the problem with the driver stalling on >1401/1411 cards. Yes, that was reported, my mistake. Hi, yes, both OpenBSD and FreeBSD seem to be affected and as you said on the soekris list there is a common lineage so it kind of makes sense. Basically what happens is that I found in large transfers across an ssh connection, the transfer would block, until the card was 'kicked' by another operation. e.g. on another ssh session that was using one of the supported algorithms, hitting enter would cause the stalled session to unblock. With debug enabled, here is the output leading up to the hang. Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: load res Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: command: stat 8c888c8c ier 22322022 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: irq: stat 8c988c8c ien 22322022 damier 22322022 i 2/47/47/2 k 1/46/46/1 u 1/1/1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: Entering cmd: stat 8c888c8c ien 22322022 u 0/0/0/0 n 5/5 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: load res Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: command: stat 8c888c8c ier 22322022 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: irq: stat 8c988c8c ien 22322022 damier 22322022 i 3/52/52/3 k 2/47/47/2 u 1/5/5/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: Entering cmd: stat 8c888c8c ien 22322022 u 0/0/0/0 n 1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: load res Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: command: stat 8c888c8c ier 22322022 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: irq: stat 8c988c8c ien 22322022 damier 22322022 i 4/53/53/4 k 3/52/52/3 u 1/1/1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: Entering cmd: stat 8c888c8c ien 22322022 u 0/0/0/0 n 1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: load res Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: command: stat 8c888c8c ier 22322022 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: irq: stat 8c988c8c ien 22322022 damier 22322022 i 5/54/54/5 k 4/53/53/4 u 1/1/1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: Entering cmd: stat 8c888c8c ien 22322022 u 0/0/0/0 n 1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: load res Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: command: stat 8c888c8c ier 22322022 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: irq: stat 8c988c8c ien 22322022 damier 22322022 i 6/55/55/6 k 5/54/54/5 u 1/1/1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: Entering cmd: stat 8c888c8c ien 22322022 u 0/0/0/0 n 1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: load res Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: command: stat 8c888c8c ier 22322022 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: irq: stat 8c988c8c ien 22322022 damier 22322022 i 7/56/56/7 k 6/55/55/6 u 1/1/1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: Entering cmd: stat 8c888c8c ien 22322022 u 0/0/0/0 n 5/5 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: load res Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: command: stat 8c888c8c ier 22322022 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: irq: stat 8c988c8c ien 22322022 damier 22322022 i 8/61/61/8 k 7/56/56/7 u 1/5/5/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: Entering cmd: stat 8c888c8c ien 22322022 u 0/0/0/0 n 1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: load res Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: command: stat 8c888c8c ier 22322022 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: irq: stat 8c988c8c ien 22322022 damier 22322022 i 9/62/62/9 k 8/61/61/8 u 1/1/1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: Entering cmd: stat 8c888c8c ien 22322022 u 0/0/0/0 n 1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: load res Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: command: stat 8c888c8c ier 22322022 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: irq: stat 8c988c8c ien 22322022 damier 22322022 i 10/63/63/10 k 9/62/62/9 u 1/1/1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: Entering cmd: stat 8c888c8c ien 22322022 u 0/0/0/0 n 1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: load res Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: command: stat 8c888c8c ier 22322022 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: irq: stat 8c988c8c ien 22322022 damier 22322022 i 11/64/64/11 k 10/63/63/10 u 1/1/1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: Entering cmd: stat 8c888c8c ien 22322022 u 0/0/0/0 n 1/1 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: load res Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: command: stat 8c888c8c ier 22322022 Jan 19 17:09:49 pp-duke /kernel: hifn0: irq: stat 8c988c8c ien 22322022 damier 22322022 i 12/65/65/12 k 11/64/64/11 u 1/1/1/1 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 10:57:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AE116A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A233E43D5E for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:57:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0QIvKUE033795; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simian.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0QIvMNq003727; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:57:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040126133802.07bb2060@209.112.4.2> X-Sender: mdtpop@209.112.4.2 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:55:59 -0500 To: Rumen Telbizov , Charles Swiger From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <20040126164948.GD230@e-card.bg> References: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> <6889E365-5016-11D8-B821-003065A20588@mac.com> <20040126155600.GB230@e-card.bg> <20040126164948.GD230@e-card.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:57:49 -0000 The only transformations supported by the hifn card are whats stated in the man page, to quote, "The hifn driver registers itself to accelerate DES, Triple-DES, AES (7955 and 7956 only), ARC4, MD5, MD5-HMAC, SHA1, and SHA1-HMAC operations for ipsec(4) and crypto(4)." For my applications, this is adequate. ---Mike At 11:49 AM 26/01/2004, Rumen Telbizov wrote: >On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 11:30:22AM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote: > > On Jan 26, 2004, at 10:56 AM, Rumen Telbizov wrote: > > [ ... ] > > >I don't see anything related to RSA computations?! > > >Do you see any real acceleration in the RSA operations > > >while using this card or there is NO support for RSA in > > >the crypto device ? > > > > It might be worth asking the author of cryptodev and hifn whether the > > manpage is current with regard to RSA support. For my purposes, adding > > entropy and speeding up 3DES for ssh is useful, but you are right that > > HTTPS acceleration will want RSA. > > > > The hifn cards will do ARC4/MD5/SHA, which is still helpful to your > > situation, but doing SSL session startup with a 1024-bit RSA server > > certificate tends to be the hit that slows down a busy site, not > > streaming 40/128-bit encryption afterwards. > > > > Here's the results of an "openssl speed" on a machine with a 933MHz > > Tualatin: > >Well I my case the traffic that I will transfer will be very low. >The highest load is going to be in the authentication (client >based certificates) which is RSA public/private keys computations. >So the symetric cryptography is not a big interest. >As it is well known the public key encryption is not a big problem >since the public exponent is chosen to be one of the 3,17,65537 primes. >The slowdown is in the private key operations - they are very SLOW! >In this test the key column is SIGN - because then we have private key used! > >Here are my results on a Celeron 1700 of the RSA: >rsa 2048 bits 0.1024s 0.0030s 9.8 336.4 > >compared to yours: > > rsa 2048 bits 0.0959s 0.0029s 10.4 346.7 > >10.4(you) against 9.8(me) is not that much taking into account >that you have a crypto-card (which one did you use to make this test?) > >This makes me think that it might be worth buying more powerfull >processors than buying a crypto-card. > >Thank you for your test. > >Rumen Telbizov >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 12:06:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2158016A4E8 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0B843D46 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:06:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0QK5xUE053336; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:05:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simian.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0QK5xNq004029; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:05:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040126145751.047cad70@209.112.4.2> X-Sender: mdtpop@209.112.4.2 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:05:26 -0500 To: Charles Swiger , Rumen Telbizov From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: References: <20040126091424.GI688@e-card.bg> <6889E365-5016-11D8-B821-003065A20588@mac.com> <20040126155600.GB230@e-card.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Crypto card speed (was Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:06:14 -0000 Here is a quick example of encryption speeds The file "big" is the result of cat /dev/urandom > big and is 577MB. Before the test was run, I did a cat big > /dev/null to make the cache similar in both tests. The hardware is the same, except on the second test I compiled in the hifn support. This is a Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz (2665.40-MHz 686-class CPU) with 512MB of DDR-333. pp-duke% time openssl enc -des3 -in big -out big.enc -k test1234567890 97.498u 2.070s 1:40.20 99.3% 384+343k 4430+4404io 2pf+0w pp-duke% pp-duke% time openssl enc -des3 -in big -out big.enc -k test1234567890 0.331u 3.282s 1:22.68 4.3% 429+383k 4439+4404io 31pf+0w pp-duke% The crypto card is faster. But the real interesting part (for me) is the CPU utilization.... 99.3% vs 4.3%. So for my "backups over ssh" application this is a big gain. I suspect once kernel crypto is added, things like the GEOM encrypted filesystem would see similar big gains. If you think of the card more as an "offloader" you will see it in a more appropriate light. ---Mike At 11:30 AM 26/01/2004, Charles Swiger wrote: >On Jan 26, 2004, at 10:56 AM, Rumen Telbizov wrote: >[ ... ] >>I don't see anything related to RSA computations?! >>Do you see any real acceleration in the RSA operations >>while using this card or there is NO support for RSA in >>the crypto device ? > >It might be worth asking the author of cryptodev and hifn whether the >manpage is current with regard to RSA support. For my purposes, adding >entropy and speeding up 3DES for ssh is useful, but you are right that >HTTPS acceleration will want RSA. > >The hifn cards will do ARC4/MD5/SHA, which is still helpful to your >situation, but doing SSL session startup with a 1024-bit RSA server >certificate tends to be the hit that slows down a busy site, not streaming >40/128-bit encryption afterwards. > >Here's the results of an "openssl speed" on a machine with a 933MHz Tualatin: > >OpenSSL 0.9.7c 30 Sep 2003 >built on: Mon Jan 19 17:09:38 EST 2004 >options:bn(64,32) md2(int) rc4(idx,int) des(ptr,risc1,16,long) >aes(partial) blowfish(idx) >compiler: cc >available timing options: USE_TOD HZ=128 [sysconf value] >timing function used: getrusage >The 'numbers' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed. >type 16 bytes 64 bytes 256 bytes 1024 bytes 8192 bytes >md2 620.93k 1321.03k 1840.87k 2043.58k >2109.85k >mdc2 1216.23k 1340.13k 1379.00k 1386.49k >1392.69k >md4 5238.60k 18516.78k 53933.28k 103206.39k >141003.58k >md5 3403.53k 10198.36k 23224.80k 34163.24k >39580.86k >hmac(md5) 1853.72k 6250.73k 17093.20k 30202.23k >38852.70k >sha1 3834.47k 9754.21k 23442.41k 36293.86k >43284.01k >rmd160 3402.43k 9754.38k 20798.38k 28830.32k >32526.01k >rc4 63056.66k 72429.52k 76481.40k 76876.09k >77175.42k >des cbc 5793.26k 5932.76k 5974.18k 5984.65k >5987.75k >des ede3 2522.17k 2549.38k 2560.15k 2562.74k >2565.13k >idea cbc 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 > 0.00 >rc2 cbc 7170.32k 7373.37k 7451.72k 7474.13k >7527.15k >rc5-32/12 cbc 36376.64k 42649.09k 45031.39k 45666.52k >45844.24k >blowfish cbc 15556.50k 16535.16k 16851.46k 16930.07k >16962.81k >cast cbc 15316.29k 16194.30k 16490.12k 16564.61k >16580.42k >aes-128 cbc 14087.20k 14768.17k 14920.34k 14969.05k >14981.57k >aes-192 cbc 12415.22k 12648.94k 12721.03k 12741.74k >12740.70k >aes-256 cbc 11021.74k 11247.24k 11286.85k 11298.91k >11300.38k > sign verify sign/s verify/s >rsa 512 bits 0.0031s 0.0003s 326.2 3032.8 >rsa 1024 bits 0.0161s 0.0009s 61.9 1114.6 >rsa 2048 bits 0.0959s 0.0029s 10.4 346.7 >rsa 4096 bits 0.6236s 0.0098s 1.6 101.9 > sign verify sign/s verify/s >dsa 512 bits 0.0026s 0.0033s 382.9 304.3 >dsa 1024 bits 0.0079s 0.0097s 126.8 102.6 >dsa 2048 bits 0.0263s 0.0319s 38.1 31.3 >396.70s real 395.67s user 0.03s system 99% > >-- >-Chuck > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 13:43:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26BA16A4CE; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA35643D39; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0QLhOUE079205; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:43:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simian.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0QLhRNq004422; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:43:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040126164121.06ee1f50@209.112.4.2> X-Sender: mdtpop@209.112.4.2 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:43:14 -0500 To: Robert Watson From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: References: <20040126153430.GA230@e-card.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD + Rainbow Cryptoswift X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:43:31 -0000 At 01:25 PM 26/01/2004, Robert Watson wrote: > > > > I took a look at those cards (vpn1201 and vpn1211). They don't seem to > > have AES support and only support 2-8 RSA connections/sec. Rainbow say > > that their cards support 1000 RSA connections/sec which is quite > > astonishing. The vpn1401 and vpn1411 seem to have better performance > > but as you said the hifn(4) driver support is broken for those :( > >Poul-Henning recently sent me some performance numbers from his initial >work to hook GEOM up to the AES support in the crypto framework using the >VPN1401/1411. He didn't seem to report any brokenness in the driver in >-CURRENT. The support may not yet have been MFC'd to -STABLE yet, >however. I forgot the steps I used to re-create the problem. Perhaps phk can try it on 5.x to see if the problem is there as well. Here is what I posed on the soekris list --------------- I can also reproduce it without too much trouble doing something like the following. Login via ssh with a non supported cipher like blowfish. Login a second time with a supported cipher e.g. 3des). Then issue something like the following from the blowfish session. openssl enc -des3 -in big -k p | ssh mdtancsa@192.168.43.26 "cat - > /usr/home/mdtancsa/b.out" where the file big is some very large file. It seems to take a while (5 or 6 iterations at first of a file 914,767,872 which was initially created with cat /dev/urandom > ) but then it seems to be fairly easy to reproduce happening a few times during the big session. Running truss on the openssl pid, .... write(1,0x80ac000,16384) = 16384 (0x4000) read(0x4,0x80b2000,0x4000) = 16384 (0x4000) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) write(1,0x80ac000,16384) = 16384 (0x4000) read(0x4,0x80b2000,0x4000) = 16384 (0x4000) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ... and then it just stalls. If I then hit enter in the 3des encrypted ssh session or do something that talks to /dev/crypto, it goes again for a seeming random period of time. It seems to pick up exactly where it should. The next lines being, write(1,0x80ac000,16384) = 16384 (0x4000) read(0x4,0x80b2000,0x4000) = 16384 (0x4000) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) write(1,0x80ac000,16384) = 16384 (0x4000) read(0x4,0x80b2000,0x4000) = 16384 (0x4000) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) write(1,0x80ac000,16384) = 16384 (0x4000) read(0x4,0x80b2000,0x4000) = 16384 (0x4000) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(5,CIOCCRYPT,0xbfbff334) = 0 (0x0) write(1,0x80ac000,16384) = 16384 (0x4000) and then stalls again. I dont have debugging symbols built, but attaching to it shows (gdb) bt #0 0x2825a540 in write () from /usr/lib/libc.so.4 #1 0x28259fb2 in __swrite () from /usr/lib/libc.so.4 #2 0x2825815d in __sflush () from /usr/lib/libc.so.4 #3 0x282580c5 in fflush () from /usr/lib/libc.so.4 #4 0x28254e8e in __sfvwrite () from /usr/lib/libc.so.4 #5 0x281fc4cc in fwrite () from /usr/lib/libc.so.4 #6 0x28191dde in BIO_s_file () from /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.3 #7 0x2819f34b in BIO_write () from /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.3 #8 0x2812fb66 in BIO_f_cipher () from /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.3 #9 0x2819f34b in BIO_write () from /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.3 #10 0x80619eb in TXT_DB_get_by_index () #11 0x8066806 in TXT_DB_get_by_index () #12 0x8066574 in TXT_DB_get_by_index () #13 0x8053d3a in TXT_DB_get_by_index () I am happy to do any grunt work to track this down. ---Mike From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 14:26:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F72316A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C92943D1D for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:26:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gwk@rahn-koltermann.de) Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AlFBm-0007CA-00; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:26:38 +0100 Received: from [217.232.142.216] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AlFBm-0004vU-00; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:26:38 +0100 From: "Georg-W. Koltermann" To: Martin Cracauer In-Reply-To: <20040126080104.A43491@cons.org> References: <20040126080104.A43491@cons.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Message-Id: <1075155994.948.17.camel@localhost.muc.eu.mscsoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:26:34 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:90bcaad5e51ecc993b2919ba4b74e6dc cc: java@cons.org cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Currently no Java for Linux-Mozilla on 4-Stable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:26:41 -0000 Am Mo, den 26.01.2004 schrieb Martin Cracauer um 14:01: > Hey folks, >=20 > I was trying to install a jvm for the linux-mozilla port on 4-stable. > 4-stable of yesterday (updated) and all ports of yesterday except as > indicated.=20 >=20 > I am through all of them, blackdown-1.3, blackdown-1.4.2, checked out > the previous blackdown-1.4.1, Sun-1.3.1 and Sun-1.4.2. >=20 > Most of them have incompatible C++ interfaces to the current > linux-mozilla, ... I run sun-1.4.2 with some minor tweaking: 1. move jre/plugin/i386/lib/ns610 out of the way and move (or symlink) ns610-gcc32 to ns610 2. install /usr/compat/linux/lib/libgcc_s* (I copied my version from a RedHat 9.0 system that I had access to) Seems to work nicely for me, even if I only used it occasionally.=20 System is 5.2-RC2+, linux-mozilla from packages. As to the other Linux plugins that you say you want to run, you certainly know about the linuxpluginwrapper port? It allows you to run Linux plugins inside a FreeBSD Mozilla -- well, at least some. --=20 Gr=FC=DFe, Georg. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 22 20:35:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B604316A4B3; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC70743F85; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugen@kuzbass.ru) Received: from kuzbass.ru (kost [213.184.65.82])h9N3Yss6000206; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:34:54 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen@kuzbass.ru) Message-ID: <3F974C4F.A0F28EA0@kuzbass.ru> From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White References: <200310210745.h9L7j9ed013183@atlantis.dp.ua> <3F95E895.9E936CEC@kuzbass.ru> <20031022153313.U71676@carver.gumbysoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: dmitry@atlantis.dp.ua cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: sos@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/57174: 4.9-PRERELEASE panic: ata_dmasetup: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:35:08 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:34:39 +0800 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:35:08 -0000 Doug White wrote: > > So Tagged Queueing may be guilty (again). > > Why do you have ATA tagging turned on in the first place? It's known to > not work with 99% of the hardware out there; only a couple of models of > IBM drives having working tagging. I use it because: 1. Man 4 ata says it will work with my HDD. 2. It really worked after ata(4) bug was fixed shortly after 4.5-RELEASE. Yes, it did not work with 4.5-PRERELEASE due to ata(4) famous bug. Now it work fine even with presence of massive I/O activity when this activity does not continue for very long time (half an hour and more) uninterruptedly. It panices reproducibly and crashdumps are pretty same. Eugene Grosbein From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 30 09:32:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90B916A4CF for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.covadmail.net (mx05.covadmail.net [63.65.120.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B86A43FB1 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:32:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from strick@covad.net) Received: (covad.net 21510 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 17:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ice.nodomain) (67.101.98.159) by sun-qmail03 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 17:32:50 -0000 Received: from ice.nodomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ice.nodomain (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9UHWsmk000309; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:32:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@ice.nodomain) Received: (from dan@localhost) by ice.nodomain (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h9UHWspC000308; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:32:54 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Strick Message-Id: <200310301732.h9UHWspC000308@ice.nodomain> To: peter@bgnett.no In-Reply-To: <87ad7js02l.fsf@tosh.datadok.no> cc: dan@ice.nodomain cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.9 is now available X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:32:59 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:32:54 -0800 (PST) X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:32:59 -0000 On 30 Oct 2003, Peter N. M. Hansteen wote: > > Dan Strick writes: > > > I did not attempted to burn and boot any of the 4.9 pre-release CDs > > or any older FreeBSD release on either machine. > > trying to boot that machine from say, a 4.8-release and/or > 4.9-prerelease CD would probably provide data which could be useful > for re@ If anyone would like me to test a specific iso image, I can do that. At the moment, the only pre-4.9-release iso image I have is 4.9-RC4 and I have not burned that one. I can download and burn an earlier release (the smaller the better) and I can try to dig up specific version information about my BIOS (which must be a rather recent AWARD BIOS). Dan Strick strick@covad.net From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 31 10:34:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A12916A4CE for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB9843F75 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:34:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9VIFeLq085571; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:15:40 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: Mike Maltese In-Reply-To: <001d01c39fcc$51accdd0$f4f0a8c0@pcmedx.com> Message-ID: <20031031211035.W81511@woozle.rinet.ru> References: <20031031153427.P81511@woozle.rinet.ru> <001d01c39fcc$51accdd0$f4f0a8c0@pcmedx.com> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: vinum question: how could one correctly delete vinum module? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:34:10 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:15:40 +0300 (MSK) X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:34:10 -0000 On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Mike Maltese wrote: MM> > [I'm under 4-STABLE] MM> > MM> > What is the correct sequence to delete existing vinum module (for example, MM> > raid10) and do *not* use -f flags for vinum? MM> > MM> > in my case t is raid10 vovume: MM> > MM> > vinum -> l -r t MM> > V t State: up Plexes: 2 Size: 8191 MM> > P t.p0 S State: up Subdisks: 2 Size: 8191 MM> > P t.p1 S State: up Subdisks: 2 Size: 8191 MM> > S t.d0 State: up PO: 0 B Size: 4095 MM> > S t.d8 State: up PO: 260 kB Size: 4095 MM> > S t.d2 State: up PO: 0 B Size: 4095 MM> > S t.d10 State: up PO: 260 kB Size: 4095 MM> > MM> > umount /dev/vinum/t MM> > vinum stop t (ok) MM> > vinum stop t.p0 <- this operation silently puts t up, and sets t.p0 faulty MM> > vinum stop t (ok) MM> > vinum stop t.p1 MM> > MM> > Last comment leads to error MM> > MM> > Can't stop t.p1: Device busy (16) MM> > MM> > MM> > Final state of objects are MM> > MM> > vinum -> l -r t MM> > V t State: down Plexes: 2 Size: 8191 MM> > P t.p0 S State: faulty Subdisks: 2 Size: 8191 MM> > P t.p1 S State: up Subdisks: 2 Size: 8191 MM> > S t.d0 State: down PO: 0 B Size: 4095 MM> > S t.d8 State: down PO: 260 kB Size: 4095 MM> > S t.d2 State: up PO: 0 B Size: 4095 MM> > S t.d10 State: up PO: 260 kB Size: 4095 MM> > MM> > Any suggestions? should I dig into vinum sources to track this down? MM> MM> You want to wipe out your configuration completely? Use "vinum resetconfig". MM> You will loose all of your data, but if I understand your question MM> correctly, this is the command to use. If you want to remove individual MM> objects, use the rm command. Take a look at the vinum man page, it is quite MM> useful. Well, not exactly ;-) And, yes, I'm aware of "resetconfig" command. Possibly, I was not clear enough; I should also mention 'detach' command. Detaching without -f option also does not work usually. As for 'rm' command, it tends to fail in similar way ;-) Which is worse, it at lease seems that some objects got slided and slightly resized after multiple detach/attaches; but I should track this down more precisely, and currently in lack of spare system. Stay tuned ;-) Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 4 10:34:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8937016A4CE for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4321544005 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:34:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hA4IYYSD038903; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:34:34 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: Rick Updegrove In-Reply-To: <3FA6A459.2060904@updegrove.net> Message-ID: <20031104213353.M34192@woozle.rinet.ru> References: <3FA6A459.2060904@updegrove.net> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade and PHP X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:34:38 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:34:34 +0300 (MSK) X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:34:38 -0000 On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Rick Updegrove wrote: RU> When I run portupgrade -ra and PHP needs upgrading I am faced with RU> having to select all the options I want PHP compiled with (again). I RU> hate this. RU> RU> How can I continually compile PHP with the same options as the last time? /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf, section MAKE_ARGS ? Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------