From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 2 11:07:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FD716A4CE; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:07:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815CB43D53; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:07:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id E63F511CEE; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:07:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:07:32 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Chris Zumbrunn Message-ID: <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WhfpMioaduB5tiZL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 11:07:35 -0000 --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.01.01 01:24:07 +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >=20 > I did some further tweaking of the mockups: >=20 > - The FreeBSD logo text is now a bit smaller > - "The Power To Serve" slogan is back > - Left sidebar now starts with a "Get FreeBSD" section > - The "Platform" section has been moved to "Supported Platforms" > - I added some spacing between the advocacy text and the sidebars > - Changed "font-size=3D-1" in right sidebar to use "small" instead > - The dots in the grey bar are now dark grey and not linked > - Removed the link for "Overview" in the grey bar of the main page >=20 > The new versions have the following URLs: > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1c.gif > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2c.gif Very interesting, is the source available somewhere so we can look at the actualy amount of work getting this integrated into the web site? > I also added a mockup of what an even more minimalist approach could=20 > look like: >=20 > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1d.gif >=20 > This version just requires changing three lines in the css style=20 > definition and replacing the one image file. Would this be a reasonable= =20 > first step? I think it would be more interesting getting the bar thinggy integrated at the same time, since it does not look like a lot of work getting it all in at the same time. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB19X0h9pcDSc1mlERAvnSAJ9XDcL49miT6bhA8VTVp8F6a+InlACeIreR 2+d1KVW0EStBZ6VUQXTb0FY= =/e1c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 18:35:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D42E16A4CE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:35:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailhost.techtarget.com (mailhost.techtarget.com [65.214.43.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCC043D2D for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:35:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smcalearney@infosecuritymag.com) Received: from KYLE.office.techtarget.com (kylebd.techtarget.com [65.214.43.125]) by mailhost.techtarget.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EBA7C109 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:35:40 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:33:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Trying to find a contact Thread-Index: AcTzVCyfNKzts8pRSkihV7/ad4GcuQAAKu0A From: "McAlearney, Shawna" To: Subject: FW: Trying to find a contact X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:35:41 -0000 Can someone please help me find a point of contact for FreeBSD for a news story on open source? -----Original Message----- From: David Wolfskill [mailto:david@catwhisker.org]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:27 PM To: McAlearney, Shawna Subject: Re: Trying to find a contact >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:27:27 -0500 >From: "McAlearney, Shawna" >I'm trying to find a point of contact for FreeBSD for a news story on=20 >open source. Can someone please help me? >Shawna McAlearney >News Editor >SearchSecurity.com >Information Security magazine >TechTarget Security Media Group >http://www.SearchSecurity.com >http://www.infosecuritymag.com >781-657-1676 Try posting a note with the above to the mailinbg list freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org. Peace, david (current hat: postmaster@freebsd.org) --=20 David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org I resent spammers because spam is a DoS attack on my time. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for public key. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 22:35:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305E216A4CE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:35:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70FD43D3F for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:35:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050105223544i9100rgorce>; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:35:45 +0000 Message-ID: <41DC6BBC.1010400@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:35:40 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McAlearney, Shawna" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Trying to find a contact X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:35:46 -0000 Judging from your sig I'm guessing this is going to be a security related article, I would assume?, http://www.freebsd.org/security/index.html your post is a bit vague on what and who your looking for... McAlearney, Shawna wrote: >Can someone please help me find a point of contact for FreeBSD for a >news story on open source? > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Wolfskill [mailto:david@catwhisker.org] >Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:27 PM >To: McAlearney, Shawna >Subject: Re: Trying to find a contact > > > >>Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:27:27 -0500 >>From: "McAlearney, Shawna" >> >> > > > >>I'm trying to find a point of contact for FreeBSD for a news story on >>open source. Can someone please help me? >> >> > > > >>Shawna McAlearney >>News Editor >>SearchSecurity.com >>Information Security magazine >>TechTarget Security Media Group >> >> > > > >>http://www.SearchSecurity.com >>http://www.infosecuritymag.com >> >> > > > >>781-657-1676 >> >> > >Try posting a note with the above to the mailinbg list >freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org. > >Peace, >david (current hat: postmaster@freebsd.org) > > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 00:57:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F00216A4CE for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:57:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CE243D48 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:57:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sander.vesik@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y7so140362rne for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:57:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=bXEmqnbVi0i5NDnjymVp8F5cLx3JQY5f3s2Mlw4HLcLrc2TK88nFd7QrDeBkNwjaKgEeehHazHnJa4HQYCiHRyEJ+VUzESQct9WLDrcFzA9K2NWLcMCTlFs4W0chRccH2f9UUXfpenRxe7/ws5Zjkn3EmTygkZJ0k9dUCpNmIvc= Received: by 10.38.15.19 with SMTP id 19mr12851rno; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.66.66 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:57:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:57:10 +0200 From: Sander Vesik To: "McAlearney, Shawna" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Trying to find a contact X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sander Vesik List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:57:11 -0000 On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:33:09 -0500, McAlearney, Shawna wrote: > Can someone please help me find a point of contact for FreeBSD for a > news story on open source? As things stand the best guess (provided you want to get a official story from FreeBSD POV) is probably the core team, freebsd-core@freebsd.org, I'm not sure anybody else can "speak for" FreeBSD anyways. If thats not what you have in mind, there may be many more alternative options. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 01:19:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0C316A4CF for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:19:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rfhs0023.fh-regensburg.de (rfhs0023.fh-regensburg.de [194.95.104.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFDF143D3F for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:19:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hubert@feyrer.de) Received: (qmail 20838 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 01:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rfhs0023.fh-regensburg.de) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 01:19:41 -0000 Received: from rfhpc8323.fh-regensburg.de (rfhpc8323.fh-regensburg.de [194.95.108.191])j061JckY020833; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:19:39 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from hubert@feyrer.de) Received: from rfhpc8317 (rfhpc8317.fh-regensburg.de [194.95.108.65]) j061Jca21924; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:19:38 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:19:37 +0100 (CET) From: Hubert Feyrer X-X-Sender: feyrer@rfhpc8317 To: freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.1.5.26 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Benchmark: NetBSD 2.0 beats FreeBSD 5.3 in server performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 01:19:47 -0000 Gregory McGarry asked me to host and advertize this paper for him: Abstract: ``With the recent releases of NetBSD 2.0 and FreeBSD 5.3 operating system, many new and exciting features have been implemented. Both criticism and commendation on performance, reliability and scalability have been directed towards these releases. This paper presents a suite of benchmarks and results for comparing the performance of these operating systems. The benchmarks target core operating system functionality, server scalability and thread implementation. These benchmarks are useful server-based criteria for demanding applications such as loaded webservers, databases, and voice-over-IP (VoIP) media relays. The results indicate that NetBSD has surpassed FreeBSD in performance on nearly every benchmark and is poised to grab the title of the best operating system for the server environment.'' URL: http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/gmcgarry/ - Hubert -- NetBSD - Free AND Open! (And of course secure, portable, yadda yadda) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 10:42:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B170616A4CE; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:42:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCC943D2D; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:42:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from localhost.esiee.fr (localhost.esiee.fr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590C93658E7; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:42:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost.esiee.fr [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.esiee.fr (VaMailArmor-2.0.1.16) id 83493-130B8B94; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:42:35 +0100 Received: from [147.215.1.13] (desolation.esiee.fr [147.215.1.13]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064213658BE; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:42:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41DD1615.7050908@esiee.fr> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:42:29 +0100 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hubert Feyrer References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.16; VAE: 6.29.0.5; VDF: 6.29.0.51; host: mail.esiee.fr) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Benchmark: NetBSD 2.0 beats FreeBSD 5.3 in server performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:42:39 -0000 Hubert Feyrer wrote: > > Gregory McGarry asked me to host and advertize this paper for him: > > Abstract: ``With the recent releases of NetBSD 2.0 and FreeBSD 5.3 > operating system, many new and exciting features have been implemented. > Both criticism and commendation on performance, reliability and > scalability have been directed towards these releases. Does NetBSD is able to use an external LDAP server to authenticate users that is use nss_ldap and pam_ldap ? Thanks a lot -- Cordialement/Regards Frank Bonnet From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 12:19:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0984616A4CE; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:19:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from daemon.li (daemon.li [213.203.244.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C58F43D1F; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:19:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josef@daemon.li) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by daemon.li with local; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:19:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:19:49 +0000 From: Josef El-Rayes To: Hubert Feyrer Message-ID: <20050106121948.GA7848@daemon.li> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Benchmark: NetBSD 2.0 beats FreeBSD 5.3 in server performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:19:51 -0000 Hubert Feyrer : [...] > The results indicate that NetBSD=20 > has surpassed FreeBSD in performance on nearly every benchmark and=20 > is poised to grab the title of the best operating system for the=20 > server environment.'' I think this is a conclusion drawn too early when there has not been any comparison of each SMP implementation. No one runs a toaster as a server environment. greets, josef --=20 Josef El-Rayes (__) Email: josef@daemon.li \\\'',)=20 Web: http://daemon.li/ \/ \ ^ FreeBSD Security Team .\._/_) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 16:56:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3554216A4CF for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:56:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F8843D5E for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:56:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phil.brennan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so572610rnz for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:56:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=b9fGAOEV/7a+AFa8vsD3LhF+w4m0trXyV5U5WCVlLbuTgWAXvsDa8SqPf9hcT66qMzBro4E1qpRGXR/VMR3Ry183Xxl4fx+uFlC0e987WZ/CH+gMtXKlAnCTe2alj4N0oN+q5V2XyKwMMo6mNKAOE8AB0I7vTl4inhWWTR3Oz34= Received: by 10.38.8.13 with SMTP id 13mr220403rnh; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.179.27 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:56:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:56:46 +0000 From: Phil Brennan In-Reply-To: <20050106121948.GA7848@daemon.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050106121948.GA7848@daemon.li> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Benchmark: NetBSD 2.0 beats FreeBSD 5.3 in server performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Phil Brennan List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:56:48 -0000 What about the context switch time? Are there any plans to improve this, and also to reduce the number of context switches needed? On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:19:49 +0000, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > Hubert Feyrer : > > [...] > > > The results indicate that NetBSD > > has surpassed FreeBSD in performance on nearly every benchmark and > > is poised to grab the title of the best operating system for the > > server environment.'' > > I think this is a conclusion drawn too early when there has not been > any comparison of each SMP implementation. > No one runs a toaster as a server environment. > > greets, josef > -- > Josef El-Rayes (__) > Email: josef@daemon.li \\\'',) > Web: http://daemon.li/ \/ \ ^ > FreeBSD Security Team .\._/_) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-performance@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-performance > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-performance-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 18:11:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F198A16A4CE for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:11:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C2443D1D for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:11:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sander.vesik@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y7so28561rne for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:11:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=aeMfY6OgN6ZTqp8K1v94nE7ZubX099IoI0BYh5Nc02zikxQby0y8qohft3auORoSuMOBDk1XqX/aGVEvBpJyX/2Ylh5GdE897VWvG/OpEr+x8IFSc2QDSQtycYhlGR+dibevrTntzF6f7sAxkEQO1KKJRLJuwlO+X+H654mQX0A= Received: by 10.38.208.29 with SMTP id f29mr381130rng; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.66.66 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:11:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:11:41 +0200 From: Sander Vesik To: Josef El-Rayes In-Reply-To: <20050106121948.GA7848@daemon.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050106121948.GA7848@daemon.li> cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Hubert Feyrer cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Benchmark: NetBSD 2.0 beats FreeBSD 5.3 in server performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sander Vesik List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:11:43 -0000 On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:19:49 +0000, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > Hubert Feyrer : > > [...] > > > The results indicate that NetBSD > > has surpassed FreeBSD in performance on nearly every benchmark and > > is poised to grab the title of the best operating system for the > > server environment.'' > > I think this is a conclusion drawn too early when there has not been > any comparison of each SMP implementation. > No one runs a toaster as a server environment. No but many people run servers on single CPU machines and performance on those matters too. Just because a benchmark result is not what you might like it to tell you doesn't mean its not valid or that it doesn't highlight valid concerns. For example on the process creation benchmark (and yes, it is a valid and interesting benchmark, even in uniprocessor case), its clear that both systems exhibit a split behaviour where in some processes are creating in some linear minimal time and others scale lineraily with number of processes. It just happens that in case of freebsd the majority appear to follow the linear case. There are also cases where FreeBSD is clearly ahead, which is good. > > greets, josef > -- > Josef El-Rayes (__) > Email: josef@daemon.li \\\'',) > Web: http://daemon.li/ \/ \ ^ > FreeBSD Security Team .\._/_) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 19:28:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D999316A4CE for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:28:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8486543D1D for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:28:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch01.acuson.com ([157.226.230.208]:4326) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CmdJV-00073p-4Q; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:28:53 -0800 Received: by mvaexch01.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:21:32 -0800 Message-ID: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641A18@mvaexch01.acuson.com> From: Johnson David To: 'Sander Vesik' Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:23:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: SPAM: Score 2.0: Re: Benchmark: NetBSD 2.0 beats FreeBSD 5.3 in server performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:28:58 -0000 > From: Sander Vesik [mailto:sander.vesik@gmail.com] > > No but many people run servers on single CPU machines and performance > on those matters too. Just because a benchmark result is not what you > might like it to tell you doesn't mean its not valid or that it > doesn't highlight valid concerns. Performance is not all that matters. In most server environments it isn't even the highest priority. By choice I drive a Honda Civic instead of a Ferrari. To some people this sounds like stupidity, and they think I should be driving whichever vehicle has the highest horsepower, torque and acceleration. Heck, I've even had fellow Honda owners berate me for not upgrading to the EX model with its marginally larger engine! FreeBSD has been taking a lot of hits recently from advocates of other BSDs, especially on Slashdot, and I think it's time we all sit back and breath in some fresh perspective. These benchmarks are good to pointing out areas FreeBSD may wish to consider improving, but they shouldn't be intrepreted as faults with FreeBSD. David From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 11:53:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3287E16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:53:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D875543D1D for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:53:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thomas.leveille@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so184767rnf for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:53:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fwMHtHOdkLyO9jpoDs5X1uqBWz378zR1aaLLa1gsZxg2WN6QhOAncGF+/403exVRuvnTuils+LD0SmCt1TMkhHEwC1hXCzgecQ/wrlFn+7zVnjLFzyfF/dzlT0QpZMQz3UGFxVT+YagABOHEWYq9FMV9euEPOGxj8idw2mUQ+U4= Received: by 10.38.92.21 with SMTP id p21mr528580rnb; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.75.79 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 03:53:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:53:17 +0100 From: thomas leveille To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD Nascar :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: thomas leveille List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:53:18 -0000 I just want to show you one of the car choosed to run in our Nascar league (An online league for people playing the pc game Nascar Racing Season 2003). http://nascarosf.kicks-ass.org/images/voitures/LFNSC41_2005.jpg From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 14:40:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E5A16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:40:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a.mx.aegisnet.de (a.mx.aegisnet.de [213.238.36.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9D343D1F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:40:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cz@aegisnet.biz) Received: (qmail 31850 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 14:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.aegisnet.biz) ([213.238.36.211]) (envelope-sender ) by a.mx.aegisnet.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2005 14:40:26 -0000 Received: from 212.202.153.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user cz@aegisnet.biz) by www.aegisnet.biz with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:40:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <37234.212.202.153.78.1105108826.squirrel@www.aegisnet.biz> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:40:26 +0100 (CET) From: "Carsten Zimmermann" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: FreeBSD Nascar :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:40:06 -0000 LOL But just one thing to add: the "47" on the driver's door should be "5.3" ;) Carsten thomas leveille sagte: > I just want to show you one of the car choosed to run in our Nascar > league (An online league for people playing the pc game Nascar Racing > Season 2003). > > http://nascarosf.kicks-ass.org/images/voitures/LFNSC41_2005.jpg -- Carsten Zimmermann mailto:cz@aegisnet.biz Aegis:Net IT-Dienstleistungen http://www.aegisnet.biz Fax: +49-(0)40-69797010 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 14:58:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527F916A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:58:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web.lomag.net (web.lomag.net [208.185.81.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFC7443D39 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:58:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grump@the-grump.net) Received: (qmail 55545 invoked by uid 98); 7 Jan 2005 14:58:57 -0000 Received: from grump@the-grump.net by web.lomag.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.20st (clamuko: 0.80. spamassassin: 3.0.1. Clear:RC:1(68.209.210.60):. Processed in 0.020645 secs); 07 Jan 2005 14:58:57 -0000 Received: from adsl-068-209-210-060.sip.cha.bellsouth.net (HELO router.the-grump.net) (68.209.210.60) by 0 with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 14:58:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:59:02 -0500 From: Jason To: thomas leveille Message-ID: <20050107095902.33fa8954@router.the-grump.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Nascar :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:58:58 -0000 Very nice. I love it. P.S. Reminds me of my Halo 2 character online being red with a yellow trident insignia on its back. I also formed a clan which is called "FreeBSD Daemons". Jason -- "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:53:17 +0100 thomas leveille wrote: > I just want to show you one of the car choosed to run in our Nascar > league (An online league for people playing the pc game Nascar Racing > Season 2003). > > http://nascarosf.kicks-ass.org/images/voitures/LFNSC41_2005.jpg > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 21:32:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6746B16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:32:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3277443D70 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:32:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmp@bitfreak.org) Received: from spud (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7D619F2C; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:36:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Darren Pilgrim" To: "'thomas leveille'" , Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:32:39 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c4f500$6d4f3890$142a15ac@spud> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: FreeBSD Nascar :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:32:49 -0000 > From: thomas leveille > > I just want to show you one of the car choosed to run in our Nascar > league (An online league for people playing the pc game Nascar Racing > Season 2003). > > http://nascarosf.kicks-ass.org/images/voitures/LFNSC41_2005.jpg The link returns a 404. This one (pulled from the front page) works: http://nascarosf.kicks-ass.org/images/voitures/LFNSC41_small_2005.jpg From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 8 13:34:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEC116A4CE for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:34:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E59443D5A for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:34:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (pD950EB5A.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.235.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j08DYXxA098127; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:34:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.net) Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j06B5luI000950; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:05:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.net) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j06B5mU1001567; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:05:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200501061105.j06B5mU1001567@flip.jhs.private> To: "McAlearney, Shawna" From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/~jhs/ Munich Unix, BSD, Internet User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:33:09 EST." Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:05:48 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.org cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Trying to find a contact X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:34:55 -0000 > From: "McAlearney, Shawna" "McAlearney, Shawna" wrote: > Can someone please help me find a point of contact for FreeBSD for a > news story on open source? Latching "security" in your domain name ... security-officer@freebsd.org posts to read only list security-advisories@freebsd.org which you can subscribe to or read archives via http://www.freebsd.org which contains what can be considered official statements List security@freebsd.org exists, where you can discuss or trawl archives for contacts of hopefully knowledgeable security people. - Julian Stacey. Unix,C,Net & Sys. Eng. Consultant, Munich. http://berklix.com Mail in Ascii, Html dumped as Spam. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz.