From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 26 18:51:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0883516A41C for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:51:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from johnjawed@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEF543D53 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:51:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from johnjawed@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so472935wri for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:51:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QpDlRHd8PSv2+mamF1KLoIlGCi4bOZFAWwNXzq4JrKb/KSQ+QASscpCMwguE4+JVsSuziZcuoVPfI+c0FBrkE9SSN1r5Ca/pMryShjtTGksY9UJW5kUHtDyidEu7mLrxJlt8QR0lNqh5YW9U3E8szDjgbklDcWSq+l4qeyNRM64= Received: by 10.54.48.25 with SMTP id v25mr2060594wrv; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.132.10 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:51:17 -0700 From: John Jawed To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Jawed List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 18:51:19 -0000 Hello, Long time user, first time poster :-P I've been advocating FreeBSD to my Linux counter parts ever since I started= =20 using FreeBSD. It sometimes disappoints me when I visit the main site,=20 freebsd.org , that it has an early 90's Frontpage errie= =20 look to it. If this has been discussed before and a new layout is on it's= =20 way, please disregard my comments. I would like to help bring the front pag= e=20 into the future, and the site design in general.=20 I'm willing to give the webmasters the CSS and HTML files of my design, no= =20 strings attached. The new design IMO, would be essentially the same as far= =20 as where things are situated, and well organized as it is currently. Regards, john From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 26 18:55:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CDD16A41C for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:55:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F4443D48 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:55:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D005D3D42; Fri, 27 May 2005 14:54:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: John Jawed Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:55:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4295E363.9547.FE1FC65@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 18:55:33 -0000 On 26 May 2005 at 11:51, John Jawed wrote: > Hello, > > Long time user, first time poster :-P > > I've been advocating FreeBSD to my Linux counter parts ever since I started > using FreeBSD. It sometimes disappoints me when I visit the main site, > freebsd.org , that it has an early 90's Frontpage errie > look to it. If this has been discussed before and a new layout is on it's > way, please disregard my comments. I would like to help bring the front page > into the future, and the site design in general. > > I'm willing to give the webmasters the CSS and HTML files of my design, no > strings attached. The new design IMO, would be essentially the same as far > as where things are situated, and well organized as it is currently. I'd suggest posting the URL to your design. Ignore the flamers. They have little to do. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 26 18:58:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F045816A41C for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:58:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711CB43D49 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:58:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FF764BB07; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:58:55 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06083-10; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:58:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-176-51.eastlink.ca [24.224.176.51]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2289E64B83F; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:58:55 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3BA8734313; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:58:54 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3892434209; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:58:54 -0300 (ADT) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:58:54 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: John Jawed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050526155839.F61528@ganymede.hub.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 18:58:57 -0000 Do you have a mock up of what you are thinking of? On Thu, 26 May 2005, John Jawed wrote: > Hello, > > Long time user, first time poster :-P > > I've been advocating FreeBSD to my Linux counter parts ever since I started > using FreeBSD. It sometimes disappoints me when I visit the main site, > freebsd.org , that it has an early 90's Frontpage errie > look to it. If this has been discussed before and a new layout is on it's > way, please disregard my comments. I would like to help bring the front page > into the future, and the site design in general. > > I'm willing to give the webmasters the CSS and HTML files of my design, no > strings attached. The new design IMO, would be essentially the same as far > as where things are situated, and well organized as it is currently. > > Regards, > john > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 26 19:35:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693A016A41C for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:35:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: from storm.uk.FreeBSD.org (storm.uk.FreeBSD.org [194.242.157.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCE943D1F for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:35:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: from storm.uk.FreeBSD.org (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.uk.FreeBSD.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4QJZ1Z0073761; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:35:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.uk.FreeBSD.org (8.13.3/8.12.11/Submit) with UUCP id j4QJZ0I2073756; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:35:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: from grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grovel.grondar.org (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4QJWeCM027096; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:32:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Message-Id: <200505261932.j4QJWeCM027096@grovel.grondar.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.0.4 To: John Jawed From: Mark Murray In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 May 2005 11:51:17 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:32:40 +0100 Sender: mark@grondar.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:35:03 -0000 John Jawed writes: > I'm willing to give the webmasters the CSS and HTML files of my design, no > strings attached. The new design IMO, would be essentially the same as far > as where things are situated, and well organized as it is currently. Your offer has MAJOR advantage over the majority of complaints about our web pages - you've actually started doing something about this yourself, rather than simply complaining! Good man! Let's see what you've done, and I'm sure we can find a use for your energy. Welcome to the project! M -- Mark Murray iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 26 20:07:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592C216A41C for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:07:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnode@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0640843D49 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:07:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnode@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so841355wra for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fHVjAPidzK9fjd35Y9S8bW4hQHtLQMEGRIK5Xoe/ymBn28T2LoGYDk0d9HDJmF7eONhuVB/AW2ppyeD97i7ydyoVANF8dMROnufysZRaRWdhaTgtk6zZMdQzeL2Se+x3DmeQGIz86wBwHpd9jo53LryhHK3WMIh7JJQ22WfEMmo= Received: by 10.54.35.72 with SMTP id i72mr1151854wri; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.16.72 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <40356a6605052613077f9db585@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:07:27 -0400 From: Bruno Gallant To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bruno Gallant List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:07:28 -0000 Hello guys, why not just use one of the many open source cms programs, like Mambo Server for instance? It would be easy maintenance. --=20 # Bruno Gallant - scion@bsdnode.net - bsdnode@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 26 22:10:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D623F16A41C for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:10:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from johnjawed@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F47F43D1D for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:10:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from johnjawed@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1367961wri for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=W8qacgP9Aai/F5LLeyj7J2GT8wDpU+zJZe8BDMgYIAI6Inz8IziRupM7yazTGV6OQCBjuq3Th2exAjBwwl1E9rG7IuZZk2UEF/P3azc1xzmkuBX6jc9ye0L1owR4rw6bzkFicnLsGeF7ODpkFJuu39bfqmYsvW2TxkhUBuw2RTc= Received: by 10.54.57.9 with SMTP id f9mr2117674wra; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.132.10 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:10:00 -0700 From: John Jawed To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200505261932.j4QJWeCM027096@grovel.grondar.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <200505261932.j4QJWeCM027096@grovel.grondar.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Jawed List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:10:02 -0000 Right now, I have the design stored away into a PSD (I still use Windows fo= r=20 design work), I suppose I could just auto slice it right away...but that=20 would not be the code I want to hand over and hence may not be what I wante= d=20 to protray (mainly because Photoshop slices in tables, I'd like this=20 completely in CSS). I will try to get a URL to this list by Sunday. Could any of the FreeBSD=20 webmasters comment on this as well, if they have not yet :-) Regards On 5/26/05, Mark Murray wrote: >=20 > John Jawed writes: > > I'm willing to give the webmasters the CSS and HTML files of my design,= =20 > no > > strings attached. The new design IMO, would be essentially the same as= =20 > far > > as where things are situated, and well organized as it is currently. >=20 > Your offer has MAJOR advantage over the majority of complaints about > our web pages - you've actually started doing something about this > yourself, rather than simply complaining! Good man! >=20 > Let's see what you've done, and I'm sure we can find a use for your > energy. >=20 > Welcome to the project! >=20 > M > -- > Mark Murray > iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH >=20 >=20 > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 27 11:00:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E5516A41C for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:00:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085C143D1D for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:00:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id B957718001BD for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:00:51 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.55) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 27 May 2005 11:00:51 -0000 Received: by ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AD8D7101D8; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:00:51 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) Received: from [213.187.181.70] by ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for fteg@london.com; Fri, 27 May 2005 06:00:51 -0500 X-Mailer: mail.com webmail From: "Fafa Hafiz Krantz" To: "John Jawed" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 06:00:51 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 213.187.181.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050527110051.AD8D7101D8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:00:52 -0000 > Right now, I have the design stored away into a PSD (I still use Windows = for > design work), I suppose I could just auto slice it right away...but that > would not be the code I want to hand over and hence may not be what I wan= ted > to protray (mainly because Photoshop slices in tables, I'd like this > completely in CSS). Why cry wolf? Who cares what you have to say, when you have nothing to show? The FreeBSD logo competition is the first step towards such a makeover. I suggest you focus on doing logosfirst, and then enter the website competi= tion when it occurs later this year. -- Fafa Hafiz Krantz Research Designer @ http://www.bleed.no --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 27 11:02:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B956816A41C for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:02:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B01943D1D for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:02:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 67E1618001BF for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:02:25 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.55) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 27 May 2005 11:02:25 -0000 Received: by ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5B6A2101D8; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:02:25 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) Received: from [213.187.181.70] by ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for fteg@london.com; Fri, 27 May 2005 06:02:25 -0500 X-Mailer: mail.com webmail From: "Fafa Hafiz Krantz" To: "Bruno Gallant" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 06:02:25 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 213.187.181.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050527110225.5B6A2101D8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:02:25 -0000 > Hello guys, why not just use one of the many open source cms programs, > like Mambo Server for instance? It would be easy maintenance. What are we, kids? However, plone.org might be a sustainable solution. It certainly wouldn't conflict with the XHTML/CSS design. -- Fafa Hafiz Krantz Research Designer @ http://www.bleed.no --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 27 14:54:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C6916A41C for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 14:54:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E431643D5D for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 14:54:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [10.3.101.26] (132.dairy.twenty4help.se [80.65.195.132]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4REs7X2018596; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:54:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <4297348A.3000309@401.cx> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:54:03 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Jawed References: <200505261932.j4QJWeCM027096@grovel.grondar.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:54:11 -0000 John Jawed wrote: > Right now, I have the design stored away into a PSD (I still use Windows for > design work), I suppose I could just auto slice it right away...but that > would not be the code I want to hand over and hence may not be what I wanted > to protray (mainly because Photoshop slices in tables, I'd like this > completely in CSS). > > I will try to get a URL to this list by Sunday. Could any of the FreeBSD > webmasters comment on this as well, if they have not yet :-) > Take it from someone who has tried before; you will get no response whatsoever until you can show a complete and functional version of what you are trying to accomplish. But trust me, there are a lot of voices out there that wants the website to change, so if you can produce something that will get it started, you will get a lot of support! -- R From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 27 16:46:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6751116A41C for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:46:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68D343D1F for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:46:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1DbhyZ-0006Lz-00; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:46:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4297348A.3000309@401.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:46:29 -0000 On Fri, 27 May 2005, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > Take it from someone who has tried before; you will get no response > whatsoever until you can show a complete and functional version of > what you are trying to accomplish. > But trust me, there are a lot of voices out there that wants the > website to change, so if you can produce something that will get it > started, you will get a lot of support! What happened to this? http://www.monkey.org/freebsd/archive/freebsd-advocacy/200412/msg00080.html I don't know if these were generated from real HTML/CSS or just created in a graphics editor. Jeremy C. Reed technical support & remote administration http://www.pugetsoundtechnology.com/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 27 17:00:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12F416A41C for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:00:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stucchi@willystudios.com) Received: from annibale.willystudios.com (annibale.willystudios.com [216.120.241.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C2F943D1D for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:00:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stucchi@willystudios.com) Received: (qmail 41226 invoked from network); 27 May 2005 16:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO max.willystudios.com) (193.25.178.163) by annibale.willystudios.com with SMTP; 27 May 2005 16:46:10 -0000 Received: by max.willystudios.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B36A96EB; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:01:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:01:35 +0200 From: Massimiliano Stucchi To: Bruno Gallant Message-ID: <20050527170135.GN64937@willystudios.com> References: <40356a6605052613077f9db585@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M2Pxvdb9QxnGd/3e" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40356a6605052613077f9db585@mail.gmail.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE X-URL: http://www.willystudios.com/max/ X-Organization: WillyStudios.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stucchi@willystudios.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:00:58 -0000 --M2Pxvdb9QxnGd/3e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 260505, 16:07, Bruno Gallant wrote: > Hello guys, why not just use one of the many open source cms programs, > like Mambo Server for instance? It would be easy maintenance. The problem is not about the main website, but about mirrors. You cannot make it mandatory to have all the facilities needed by a CMS like Mamboserver, drupal and, most of all, Plone on a mirror site. All in all, it would be much more difficult to maintain mirrors using a CMS. Cheers --=20 Massimiliano Stucchi WillyStudios.com stucchi@willystudios.com Http://www.willystudios.com/max/ --M2Pxvdb9QxnGd/3e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCl1JvFwcpJfdZDoERAreTAJ0W9n5W4TyEeZf1ANACNwJ2qNJw0QCfa39I KC577ukWk4De0wcMfaOH2DA= =NHm1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M2Pxvdb9QxnGd/3e-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 27 17:45:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8514B16A41C for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:45:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@offmyserver.com) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (afg.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578F243D1D for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:45:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@offmyserver.com) Received: from [192.168.1.155] (afg.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.73]) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j4RHNogs042651; Fri, 27 May 2005 10:23:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@offmyserver.com) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3200C495-A7BB-41DD-B12B-7DE38716772D@offmyserver.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matt Olander Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:45:41 -0700 To: "Jeremy C. Reed" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:45:47 -0000 On May 27, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Fri, 27 May 2005, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > > >> Take it from someone who has tried before; you will get no response >> whatsoever until you can show a complete and functional version of >> what you are trying to accomplish. >> But trust me, there are a lot of voices out there that wants the >> website to change, so if you can produce something that will get it >> started, you will get a lot of support! >> > > What happened to this? > http://www.monkey.org/freebsd/archive/freebsd-advocacy/200412/ > msg00080.html > > I don't know if these were generated from real HTML/CSS or just > created in > a graphics editor. Actually, I've seen a front page that Chris did (I think) that's got the nice menu across the top and a really well designed front page. -matt > > Jeremy C. Reed > > technical support & remote administration > http://www.pugetsoundtechnology.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Matt Olander Chief Technology Officer, OffMyServer, Inc. Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project (408)943-4100 Phone (408)943-4101 Fax www.offmyserver.com www.freebsd.org ---- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 27 18:36:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C696F16A41C for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:36:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from johnjawed@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAF843D1D for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:36:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from johnjawed@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so2774742wra for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:36:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NtiXQukdoY87hj+0MaxlpxIzUMOJnnteiYP7GmxQG1/E1hoZicFysUg+/0BSaAEFWvRE3xPaKgRDECuuV25shCCVcnU0k3mOfYkQEh0M4CgBjjEarcHBN+IJXChPPVOSiV80RUGXv72VYAVSRi5AowMWtcKix7DwlAGOBBbLkIA= Received: by 10.54.27.62 with SMTP id a62mr2708845wra; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.132.10 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:36:49 -0700 From: John Jawed To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <4297348A.3000309@401.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Jawed List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:36:52 -0000 Thanks for the feedback. Like I said earlier, I am a first time poster so I= =20 do appreciate the advice given to me. Jeremy, I think that layout using Lucida Sans Unicode as a font style, whic= h=20 I also, coincidentally, wanted to use. However, I switched my layout back t= o=20 Verdana for the main text as it is a more standard web font. The next post to this list I make will contain a URL to the new layout.=20 Obviously that layout would be far from finished, but hopefully I could get= =20 some feedback on the prototype and change it accordingly. Regards On 5/27/05, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: >=20 > On Fri, 27 May 2005, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: >=20 > > Take it from someone who has tried before; you will get no response > > whatsoever until you can show a complete and functional version of > > what you are trying to accomplish. > > But trust me, there are a lot of voices out there that wants the > > website to change, so if you can produce something that will get it > > started, you will get a lot of support! >=20 > What happened to this? >=20 > http://www.monkey.org/freebsd/archive/freebsd-advocacy/200412/msg00080.ht= ml >=20 > I don't know if these were generated from real HTML/CSS or just created i= n > a graphics editor. >=20 > Jeremy C. Reed >=20 > technical support & remote administration > http://www.pugetsoundtechnology.com/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g > " >=20 --=20 John Jawed Zend Certified Software Engineer MySQL AB Certified Developer http://www.johnjawed.com http://groups-beta.google.com/group/MySQLi From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 27 18:46:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDBB16A41C for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:46:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnode@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28D443D49 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:46:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnode@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1184940wra for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:46:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h7jvf2D57m8jA1jCxngQChm6bsWGDq1VT2aNlEwQUoOms5DHmqQyEOIRtNkLdCQp7NmCup+1sDeJWKs7XZLULHPrGVMbENF5Qhs4phUURwhd6aJWKnnNPpsUBIcHKlyYxJExhQVd34kjL7cz3FDfc5+8BBSTBJiSKAL1oPlDE74= Received: by 10.54.35.72 with SMTP id i72mr1761504wri; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.16.72 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <40356a6605052711465543f1a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:46:43 -0400 From: Bruno Gallant To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050527170135.GN64937@willystudios.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <40356a6605052613077f9db585@mail.gmail.com> <20050527170135.GN64937@willystudios.com> Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bruno Gallant List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:46:44 -0000 Thank you! Now that _is_ a constructive counter-argument. It's true that mambo server is a basic utility, but you need to transfer only a single directory, and dump a single database and transfer this. A simple script can do that. How many mirrors does the project have? I don't see a real problem unless there is over a thousand mirrors... On 5/27/05, Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: > On 260505, 16:07, Bruno Gallant wrote: > > Hello guys, why not just use one of the many open source cms programs, > > like Mambo Server for instance? It would be easy maintenance. >=20 > The problem is not about the main website, but about mirrors. You > cannot make it mandatory to have all the facilities needed by a CMS like > Mamboserver, drupal and, most of all, Plone on a mirror site. >=20 > All in all, it would be much more difficult to maintain mirrors using a > CMS. >=20 > Cheers > --=20 >=20 > Massimiliano Stucchi > WillyStudios.com > stucchi@willystudios.com > Http://www.willystudios.com/max/ >=20 >=20 --=20 # Bruno Gallant - scion@bsdnode.net - bsdnode@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 27 19:51:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B057D16A41C for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:51:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D48D43D1D for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:51:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1565A64B8B7; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:51:43 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01541-04; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:51:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-224-176-51.eastlink.ca [24.224.176.51]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44A964B8B6; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:51:42 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D49AF36438; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:51:41 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C2C34063; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:51:41 -0300 (ADT) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:51:41 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Jeremy C. Reed" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050527165128.G888@ganymede.hub.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:51:44 -0000 On Fri, 27 May 2005, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Fri, 27 May 2005, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > >> Take it from someone who has tried before; you will get no response >> whatsoever until you can show a complete and functional version of >> what you are trying to accomplish. >> But trust me, there are a lot of voices out there that wants the >> website to change, so if you can produce something that will get it >> started, you will get a lot of support! > > What happened to this? > http://www.monkey.org/freebsd/archive/freebsd-advocacy/200412/msg00080.html Not much of a change from what is there now ... ? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 28 07:29:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AC916A41F for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 07:29:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdaniel7@gmail.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54EB43D48 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 07:29:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bdaniel7@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so218091rns for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 00:29:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rxvBlu9jSs8jWVt9E/bgOh0Q+gQHmSqDf3Ff2+qMtkf990nDhcXyCEYTP9TsU9+QY1ltxrKNfM5nTkW4lePbT+z2nhYy2aFcHqh+Ac7vKMwGacHE9YrbDIWJUyeWTfBM7IP0AY7s6N2yYFGJEsYgpkZvSDGAedFnXu16mJ7x8qM= Received: by 10.38.6.14 with SMTP id 14mr100741rnf; Sat, 28 May 2005 00:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.8.75 with HTTP; Sat, 28 May 2005 00:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <89b41e470505280029410764b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:29:17 +0300 From: Daniel To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Romanian BitDefender for FreeBSD Mail Servers line X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 07:29:18 -0000 Hi all,=20 Here are some links about the BitDefender for FreeBSD Mail Servers line. http://www.bitdefender.com/bd/site/products.php?p_id=3D52 ftp://ftp.bitdefender.com/pub/freebsd/mailserver/RELEASE_NOTES As a side note, BitDefender is a Romanian brand/product. It is developed by Softwin. The link in the main page of FreeBSD.org points to another site that announces the product, instead of the Romanian company's site.. About Romania http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ro.html Cheers, Daniel From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 28 12:48:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A43716A41F for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:48:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2346D43D1D for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:48:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 11837 invoked from network); 28 May 2005 12:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 28 May 2005 12:40:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 27858 invoked by uid 89); 28 May 2005 13:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 28 May 2005 13:03:29 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E8211600; Sat, 28 May 2005 15:48:20 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:48:19 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Daniel Message-ID: <20050528154819.5b8dfe57@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <89b41e470505280029410764b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b41e470505280029410764b4@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Romanian BitDefender for FreeBSD Mail Servers line X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:48:31 -0000 On Sat, 28 May 2005 10:29:17 +0300 Daniel wrote: > Hi all, > > Here are some links about the BitDefender for FreeBSD Mail Servers line. > > http://www.bitdefender.com/bd/site/products.php?p_id=52 > > ftp://ftp.bitdefender.com/pub/freebsd/mailserver/RELEASE_NOTES > > As a side note, BitDefender is a Romanian brand/product. It is > developed by Softwin. The link in the main page of FreeBSD.org points > to another site that announces the product, instead of the Romanian > company's site.. This is a www@ (and ports) issue, not an advocacy or stable. Please post to the appropriate mailing list. More, the link in question is under "FreeBSD in the press" so I don't see what the problem is. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 28 16:36:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDF416A41F for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:36:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BFA44108 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:04:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A6D39.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.109.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j4SFfB8o020666; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:41:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4SFev61005188; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:40:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4SFevod017236; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:40:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200505281540.j4SFevod017236@fire.jhs.private> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message from Daniel of "Sat, 28 May 2005 10:29:17 +0300." <89b41e470505280029410764b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:40:57 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: Daniel Subject: Re: Romanian BitDefender for FreeBSD Mail Servers line X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:36:55 -0000 > As a side note, BitDefender is a Romanian brand/product. It is > developed by Softwin. The link in the main page of FreeBSD.org points > to another site that announces the product, instead of the Romanian > company's site.. Daniel, Do not cross post. Your To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org breaches cross post rule in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL Rule breaking (or claim of ignorance) will discourage others letting you change FreeBSD pages. All, inc Daniel, advocacy@ list is not a web designers chat room. Regular hot air here from various people about web page design is Tedious. - advocacy@ is the Wrong Address to change content of www.freebsd.org - Use send-pr to submit web page corrections (for a commit to cvs/www). - www@ exists - use it ! Ref http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www "A mailing list that allows you to send mail to the Webmasters, the managers of FreeBSD Project web servers (not web servers that hosted on FreeBSD computers)." - webmaster@ is an RFC standard address, consider that too. - Julian Stacey Net & Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Mail in Ascii (Html=Spam). Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 28 17:03:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39D216A41C for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:03:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC0143DEF for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:51:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id F152F1800124 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:51:28 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.81) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 May 2005 16:51:28 -0000 Received: by ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DEB8B1F50B1; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:51:28 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) Received: from [213.187.181.70] by ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for fteg@london.com; Sat, 28 May 2005 11:51:28 -0500 X-Mailer: mail.com webmail From: "Fafa Hafiz Krantz" To: "Matt Olander" , "Jeremy C. Reed" Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:51:28 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 213.187.181.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050528165128.DEB8B1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:03:26 -0000 > > What happened to this? > > http://www.monkey.org/freebsd/archive/freebsd-advocacy/200412/ msg00080= .html > > > > I don't know if these were generated from real HTML/CSS or just create= d in > > a graphics editor. >=20 > Actually, I've seen a front page that Chris did (I think) that's=20 > got the nice menu across the top and a really well designed front=20 > page. I just wanted to point out; There's *nothing* new about that design. It still follows the old principles. -- Fafa Hafiz Krantz Research Designer @ http://www.home.no/barbershop Enlightened @ http://www.home.no/barbershop/smart/sharon.pdf --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 28 17:19:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F9A16A41C for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:19:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from redqueen.elvandar.org (redqueen.evilcoder-services.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F4143D48 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:19:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by redqueen.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54A62954BB; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:19:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from redqueen.elvandar.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (redqueen.evilcoder-services.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02885-07; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:19:39 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <200505281540.j4SFevod017236@fire.jhs.private> References: <200505281540.j4SFevod017236@fire.jhs.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5718695A-F20D-4758-BCE7-B638A761F63C@elvandar.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Remko Lodder Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:19:33 +0200 To: Julian H.Stacey X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Virus-Scanned: by the evilcoder-services.org maildomain Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Daniel Subject: Re: Romanian BitDefender for FreeBSD Mail Servers line X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:19:42 -0000 On May 28, 2005, at 5:40 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> As a side note, BitDefender is a Romanian brand/product. It is >> developed by Softwin. The link in the main page of FreeBSD.org points >> to another site that announces the product, instead of the Romanian >> company's site.. >> > > Daniel, > Do not cross post. Your > To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > breaches cross post rule in > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ > eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL > Rule breaking (or claim of ignorance) will discourage others letting > you change FreeBSD pages. > > All, inc Daniel, > advocacy@ list is not a web designers chat room. > Regular hot air here from various people about web page design is > Tedious. > - advocacy@ is the Wrong Address to change content of > www.freebsd.org > - Use send-pr to submit web page corrections (for a commit to cvs/ > www). > - www@ exists - use it ! > Ref http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www > "A mailing list that allows you to send mail to the > Webmasters, the managers of FreeBSD Project web servers > (not web servers that hosted on FreeBSD computers)." > - webmaster@ is an RFC standard address, consider that too. Well the advocacy is about promoting FreeBSD, and a news article about BitDefender stuff is actually advocacy. Even changing the site could mean advocacy , i.e. in a way to better promote FreeBSD on the world wide web. In my opinion it's not wrong to discuss this on advocacy, but then again who am i. Also note that recent discussions were on freebsd-www@ and freebsd- advocacy@ for changing the site's layout and such. Just my 0.02E(urocents) -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org Founder Tienervaders ** remko@tienervaders.org FreeBSD DocTeam & SecTeam ** remko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 28 17:32:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF33316A41C for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:32:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from redqueen.elvandar.org (redqueen.evilcoder-services.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E9F43D48 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:32:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by redqueen.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E242954BB; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from redqueen.elvandar.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (redqueen.evilcoder-services.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02885-10; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:32:45 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20050528165128.DEB8B1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050528165128.DEB8B1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Remko Lodder Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:32:39 +0200 To: Fafa Hafiz Krantz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Virus-Scanned: by the evilcoder-services.org maildomain Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:32:47 -0000 On May 28, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote: > > >>> What happened to this? >>> http://www.monkey.org/freebsd/archive/freebsd-advocacy/200412/ >>> msg00080.html >>> >>> I don't know if these were generated from real HTML/CSS or just >>> created in >>> a graphics editor. >>> >> >> Actually, I've seen a front page that Chris did (I think) that's >> got the nice menu across the top and a really well designed front >> page. >> > > I just wanted to point out; > > There's *nothing* new about that design. > It still follows the old principles. So when can we see -your- new design that follows other principles and remain functional, etc etc (just as we wish). ? -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org Founder Tienervaders ** remko@tienervaders.org FreeBSD DocTeam & SecTeam ** remko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 28 21:20:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD01216A41C for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:20:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from johnjawed@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482EF43D48 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:20:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from johnjawed@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1957427wri for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:20:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=n8Ki3UdTNDc0G5urEqQW41R8QhCwQyA54BZaiaoVfxoI3kB5NaWEooN1Te0UHrUPMs3e8NFrAoRsa3PiqFH4BWZaujvJOnaE/YewBTOS6GjTfJASBvuVbCiil7vhKrqsw/DGBSpJKRgwclqvKzKu/0UeeL1ayMFcTCM5BnBsJ7o= Received: by 10.54.54.56 with SMTP id c56mr3756730wra; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.132.10 with HTTP; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:20:07 -0700 From: John Jawed To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: New layout concept URL X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Jawed List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:20:08 -0000 Caio, I will be gone for the rest of the evening, so I decided to commit todays= =20 work on the new layout. What I will be doing is putting in a new directory= =20 for each day I update the layout, please read the About the Layout section= =20 for more info :) http://www.johnjawed.com/freebsd-redesign/ It's in it's early stages, so I appreciate all types of critique to get a= =20 feel of what I'm doing right/wrong. Regards From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 28 21:24:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2473816A41C for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:24:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EADB43D49 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:24:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [192.168.200.2] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4SLNvwc042552; Sat, 28 May 2005 23:23:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <4298E16B.5030403@401.cx> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 23:23:55 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Julian H. Stacey" References: <200505281540.j4SFevod017236@fire.jhs.private> In-Reply-To: <200505281540.j4SFevod017236@fire.jhs.private> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Daniel Subject: Re: Romanian BitDefender for FreeBSD Mail Servers line X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:24:19 -0000 Julian H. Stacey wrote: > All, inc Daniel, > advocacy@ list is not a web designers chat room. > Regular hot air here from various people about web page design is Tedious. > - advocacy@ is the Wrong Address to change content of www.freebsd.org > - Use send-pr to submit web page corrections (for a commit to cvs/www). > - www@ exists - use it ! > Ref http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www > "A mailing list that allows you to send mail to the > Webmasters, the managers of FreeBSD Project web servers > (not web servers that hosted on FreeBSD computers)." > - webmaster@ is an RFC standard address, consider that too. I do believe that the official website is by far the biggest channel of promoting FreeBSD that we currently have, and as such, I believe that any discussion about replacing, improving or in any other way change it clearly qualifies as FreeBSD advocacy related. And, if I understood it correctly, he was not requesting an immediate change to the webpage. He stepped up and announced a *will* to change it, and was asking for feedback and thoughts. When the community, ie advocacy@, approves of his work and agrees on a actual website change, then it would be time to involve the webmasters (they are of course welcome to join the discussion earlier if they so wish). I have been subscribed to this list for a long time, and I cant recall website design as a subject being discussed even once. The design of freebsd.org on the other hand frequently comes up, but I consider that to be as advocacy related as anything else discussed here. I can see that we simply disagree here, but the fact that this discussion pops up every other month clearly shows that there are a lot of people that wants something to happen. Seeing people chasing them off the list everytime is something *I* find tedious. -- R From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 28 22:55:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAD816A41C for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 22:55:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F29243D4C for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 22:55:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [195.170.0.27]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j4SMtjnv004428; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:55:45 +0300 Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a075.otenet.gr [212.205.215.75]) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j4SMre0m012210; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:53:41 +0300 Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4SMtdbU019670; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:55:39 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4SMtd8X019669; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:55:39 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 01:55:39 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Fafa Hafiz Krantz Message-ID: <20050528225538.GD19079@gothmog.gr> References: <20050528165128.DEB8B1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050528165128.DEB8B1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Main site makeover X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:55:47 -0000 On 2005-05-28 11:51, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote: >>> What happened to this? >>> http://www.monkey.org/freebsd/archive/freebsd-advocacy/200412/ msg00080.html >>> >>> I don't know if these were generated from real HTML/CSS or just >>> created in a graphics editor. >> >> Actually, I've seen a front page that Chris did (I think) that's got >> the nice menu across the top and a really well designed front page. > > I just wanted to point out; > > There's *nothing* new about that design. > It still follows the old principles. It's ok. Small incremental changes are easier to test and accept than a full "throw it all away and use mine" style of update. The site now uses CSS a lot more than before, AFAIK. I'm not a web design guru, but if someone came up with a style that looks like, say, Wikipedia it would be interesting. Any takers who want to try revamping the front page by using *only* CSS style changes? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 28 23:03:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9579416A41C for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 23:03:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from johnjawed@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF3843D1D for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 23:03:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from johnjawed@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1969176wri for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:03:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TzsbPVcHFLfDyEdvQ44Ns5iJ4goq+32Gr9AwtVwHzaBWip84J/5jM6VdbFPPLD8eJ+PVBd75+uJC87ed9RxyxA8Nxw66T2gQ2dzGEq00oaHavTUiqieRlPdzYjQmJgi8T3rJBxq7EH3xDMltgcLM3YBpzZtrsqGxLVj11rLQCo0= Received: by 10.54.54.56 with SMTP id c56mr3830612wra; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.132.10 with HTTP; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:03:07 -0700 From: John Jawed To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <4298E363.7080702@401.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: New layout concept URL X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Jawed List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 23:03:08 -0000 Yes, I see that now. I'll fix that in tomorrows release (it shouldn't be to= o=20 hard with CSS). Regards >=20 > On 5/28/05, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > >=20 > > John Jawed wrote: > > > Caio, > > > > > > I will be gone for the rest of the evening, so I decided to commit=20 > > todays > > > work on the new layout. What I will be doing is putting in a new=20 > > directory > > > for each day I update the layout, please read the About the Layout=20 > > section=20 > > > for more info :) > > > > > > http://www.johnjawed.com/freebsd-redesign/ > > > > > > It's in it's early stages, so I appreciate all types of critique to= =20 > > get a=20 > > > feel of what I'm doing right/wrong. > > > > > > Regards > >=20 > > Nice work, but there are some *major* problems that needs to be > > addressed before this can even be considered. Screen width being > > the most urgent one. To see what I mean, look at=20 > > http://401.cx/~rocky/screen.png > > Despite 19" screen and 1280x1024, I will *never* accept a webpage > > that does not scale well down to ~700 pixels wide. > >=20 > > -- > > R > >=20 >=20 >=20 >