From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 6 07:14:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB9116A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:14:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B79443D49 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 07:14:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j267ETb47735; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:14:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:14:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <86ll92z1o9.fsf@xps.des.no> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 07:14:31 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-atm@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-atm@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Dag-Erling Smørgrav > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 5:02 AM > To: atm@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: PPP over ATM > > > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) writes: > > My current ADSL provider runs PPP directly over ATM, instead of PPP > > over Ethernet over ATM. I can get PPPoEoA from other providers, but > > I'm not inclined to switch, for a variety of reasons. Can > FreeBSD run > > PPP directly over ATM? If yes, can somebody help me set it up? > > I should add that I want to do this with a Fore ATM PCI adapter, not > some dinky little USB thingy. > Dag, I think you are a bit mistaken. You don't need an ATM card for this. Just buy a plain bridged DSL modem, set it up for bridging/transparent bridging plug it's ethernet connection into an ethernet port on the FreeBSD system, and run PPPoE on that port. Ted From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 6 09:10:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0802916A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:10:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from transport.cksoft.de (transport.cksoft.de [62.111.66.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2786943D1D for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:10:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from transport.cksoft.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by transport.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FE81FFACB; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:10:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by transport.cksoft.de (Postfix, from userid 66) id 9500A1FFACE; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:10:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.int.zabbadoz.net (Postfix, from userid 1060) id B6E4E15687; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.int.zabbadoz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7081538C; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:08:43 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" X-X-Sender: bz@e0-0.zab2.int.zabbadoz.net To: Ted Mittelstaedt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS cksoft-s20020300-20031204bz on transport.cksoft.de cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: RE: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:10:11 -0000 On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Hi, > > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) writes: > > > My current ADSL provider runs PPP directly over ATM, instead of PPP > > > over Ethernet over ATM. I can get PPPoEoA from other providers, but > > > I'm not inclined to switch, for a variety of reasons. Can FreeBSD ru= n > > > PPP directly over ATM? If yes, can somebody help me set it up? > > > > I should add that I want to do this with a Fore ATM PCI adapter, not > > some dinky little USB thingy. > > > > Dag, I think you are a bit mistaken. You don't need an ATM card for > this. > > Just buy a plain bridged DSL modem, set it up for bridging/transparent > bridging plug it's ethernet connection into an ethernet port on the > FreeBSD system, and run PPPoE on that port. that won't help if it is PPPoA. He doesn't want to do PPPoE(oA) (where you usually use the bridge and wouldn't have anything todo with ATM yourself). That said doing PPPoA on a Fore should be doable by connecting ng_ppp to ng_atm I guess but I haven't done that myself up to now. You should have more input from you ISP about PVC etc.? --=20 Bjoern A. Zeeb=09=09=09=09bzeeb at Zabbadoz dot NeT From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 6 13:18:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F3F16A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:18:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.jeamland.net (arlond.jeamland.net [202.45.126.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D57643D54 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:18:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from benno@jeamland.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.jeamland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC4467D2; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:18:31 +1100 (EST) Received: from mail.jeamland.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arlond.jeamland.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 31433-05; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:18:20 +1100 (EST) Received: from [211.31.77.111] (d211-31-77-111.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.31.77.111]) by mail.jeamland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2640167A8; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:18:19 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <422B0318.6080201@jeamland.net> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 00:18:16 +1100 From: Benno Rice User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <86psyez208.fsf@xps.des.no> <86ll92z1o9.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86ll92z1o9.fsf@xps.des.no> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0F3E5AFF54FBC22312851C73" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at jeamland.net cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 13:18:37 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0F3E5AFF54FBC22312851C73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) writes: > >>My current ADSL provider runs PPP directly over ATM, instead of PPP >>over Ethernet over ATM. I can get PPPoEoA from other providers, but >>I'm not inclined to switch, for a variety of reasons. Can FreeBSD run >>PPP directly over ATM? If yes, can somebody help me set it up? > > > I should add that I want to do this with a Fore ATM PCI adapter, not > some dinky little USB thingy. Userland ppp supports NATM. It's not documented though I believe. I worked it out by looking at the source code for the atm support. I think it boils down to building a kernel with NATM and using the following device specification in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf: set device PPPoA::. -- Benno Rice benno@jeamland.net http://jeamland.net --------------enig0F3E5AFF54FBC22312851C73 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCKwMY4u8rkiw+H90RAoAEAJsGnK/f4ZIfm1+9buJIMONdR24fcACffigU feUaGa+EZ/oGobhuEF1JuYY= =fqoO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig0F3E5AFF54FBC22312851C73-- From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 6 13:47:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A5516A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:47:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (bgo1smout1.broadpark.no [217.13.4.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44DA43D5A for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:47:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no ([217.13.4.93]) by bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICX0049ZNE9N9B0@bgo1smout1.broadpark.no> for atm@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:42:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from dsa.des.no ([80.203.228.37]) by bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICX00HWCNQK0DB0@bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no> for atm@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:49:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by dsa.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id C981F9B47D; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:47:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (xps.des.no [10.0.0.12]) by dsa.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 37F9846E07; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:47:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0393433C1B; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:47:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:47:28 +0100 From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) In-reply-to: To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-id: <86650451jj.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on dsa.des.no References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 13:47:35 -0000 "Ted Mittelstaedt" writes: > Dag, I think you are a bit mistaken. You don't need an ATM card for > this. Ted, I think you are a bit mistaken. First of all, my name is not Dag. Second, this is not about what you think I need, but about what I want to do with what I have. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 6 13:48:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F292216A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:48:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (bgo1smout1.broadpark.no [217.13.4.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4BA43D41 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:48:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no ([217.13.4.93]) by bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICX004DDNFNN9B0@bgo1smout1.broadpark.no> for atm@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:42:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from dsa.des.no ([80.203.228.37]) by bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICX00HKGNRY03B0@bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no> for atm@freebsd.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:50:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by dsa.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id E166A46E07; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:48:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (xps.des.no [10.0.0.12]) by dsa.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 0B6739B47D; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:48:19 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 069F633C1B; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:48:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:48:19 +0100 From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) In-reply-to: To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Message-id: <86y8d03mxo.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on dsa.des.no References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 13:48:25 -0000 "Bjoern A. Zeeb" writes: > That said doing PPPoA on a Fore should be doable by connecting ng_ppp > to ng_atm I guess but I haven't done that myself up to now. You should > have more input from you ISP about PVC etc.? I have all the information I need about VCI etc., I just need to know how to make the software work. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 7 08:31:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A833716A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:31:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-1.dlr.de (smtp-1.dlr.de [195.37.61.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D1A43D46 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:31:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Hartmut.Brandt@dlr.de) Received: from beagle.kn.op.dlr.de ([129.247.173.6]) by smtp-1.dlr.de over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:31:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:36:59 +0100 (CET) From: Harti Brandt X-X-Sender: brandt_h@beagle.kn.op.dlr.de To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050307093350.X20004@beagle.kn.op.dlr.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2005 08:31:14.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[06803C90:01C522F0] cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: RE: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Harti Brandt List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 08:31:17 -0000 On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: BAZ>On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: BAZ> BAZ>Hi, BAZ> BAZ>> > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav) writes: BAZ>> > > My current ADSL provider runs PPP directly over ATM, instead of PPP BAZ>> > > over Ethernet over ATM. I can get PPPoEoA from other providers, but BAZ>> > > I'm not inclined to switch, for a variety of reasons. Can FreeBSD run BAZ>> > > PPP directly over ATM? If yes, can somebody help me set it up? BAZ>> > BAZ>> > I should add that I want to do this with a Fore ATM PCI adapter, not BAZ>> > some dinky little USB thingy. BAZ>> > BAZ>> BAZ>> Dag, I think you are a bit mistaken. You don't need an ATM card for BAZ>> this. BAZ>> BAZ>> Just buy a plain bridged DSL modem, set it up for bridging/transparent BAZ>> bridging plug it's ethernet connection into an ethernet port on the BAZ>> FreeBSD system, and run PPPoE on that port. BAZ> BAZ>that won't help if it is PPPoA. He doesn't want to do PPPoE(oA) BAZ>(where you usually use the bridge and wouldn't have anything todo BAZ>with ATM yourself). BAZ> BAZ>That said doing PPPoA on a Fore should be doable by connecting ng_ppp BAZ>to ng_atm I guess but I haven't done that myself up to now. You should BAZ>have more input from you ISP about PVC etc.? I have no idea how to setup ng_ppp, but to active the VCI after you have connected ng_atm and ng_ppp you just need to: ngctl msg fatm0: cpcsinit '{name="hookname" aal=5 vci= vpi=0}' where hookname is the fatm0-side name of the hook. VPI must be 0 for fatm. harti From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 7 08:46:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D3C16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:46:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17E143D58 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:46:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j278kkb52734; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:46:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:46:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <86650451jj.fsf@xps.des.no> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: RE: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 08:46:45 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [mailto:des@des.no] > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:47 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: atm@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: PPP over ATM > > > "Ted Mittelstaedt" writes: > > Dag, I think you are a bit mistaken. You don't need an ATM card for > > this. > > Ted, I think you are a bit mistaken. First of all, my name is not > Dag. Second, this is not about what you think I need, but about what > I want to do with what I have. > How exactly are you going to get the DSL signal from the telephone line into the ATM card, then? You did say this was ADSL. Ted From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 7 10:22:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A51916A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:22:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (bgo1smout1.broadpark.no [217.13.4.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82B643D2D for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:22:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no ([217.13.4.93]) by bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICZ006L38KNT090@bgo1smout1.broadpark.no> for atm@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:17:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from dsa.des.no ([80.203.228.37]) by bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICZ00KMM8WXEQ20@bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no> for atm@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:24:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by dsa.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 2055B45171; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:22:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (xps.des.no [10.0.0.12]) by dsa.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id E4DEDA0CA6; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:22:31 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D54F333C1B; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:22:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:22:31 +0100 From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) In-reply-to: To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-id: <86br9v92mw.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on dsa.des.no References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:22:37 -0000 "Ted Mittelstaedt" writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: > > "Ted Mittelstaedt" writes: > > > Dag, I think you are a bit mistaken. You don't need an ATM card for > > > this. > > Ted, I think you are a bit mistaken. First of all, my name is not > > Dag. Second, this is not about what you think I need, but about what > > I want to do with what I have. > How exactly are you going to get the DSL signal from the telephone line > into the ATM card, then? You did say this was ADSL. Yes, it is. PPP over copper ATM straight into my living room. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 7 11:03:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B44116A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:03:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mercury.qix.co.uk (mercury.qix.co.uk [212.42.1.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E090643D1F for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:03:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aledm@qix.co.uk) Received: from localhost (aledm@localhost) by mercury.qix.co.uk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j27B3BBV009468; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:03:11 GMT Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:03:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Aled Morris To: Ted Mittelstaedt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: RE: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:03:26 -0000 >How exactly are you going to get the DSL signal from the telephone line >into the ATM card, then? You did say this was ADSL. I haven't seen any available recently but you used to be able to buy ADSL modems which simply did the layer 1 conversion from the POTS line to (typically) an ATM25 UTP port. Cisco had one (model 626 or 627 I think.) Plus of course the network side of the DSLAM is likely 155Mbps ATM, so you could connect your FreeBSD server there to terminate PPPoA from subscribers. I'd be interested to know how many such sessions you could achieve on a FreeBSD box - it could be a low-cost alternative to the products from Cisco or Redback etc. Aled From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 7 11:55:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C47416A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:55:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421A743D39 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:55:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j27Btkb53742; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:55:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Aled Morris" Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:55:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: RE: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:55:48 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Aled Morris [mailto:aledm@qix.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:03 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav; atm@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: PPP over ATM > > > >How exactly are you going to get the DSL signal from the > telephone line > >into the ATM card, then? You did say this was ADSL. > > I haven't seen any available recently but you used to be able > to buy ADSL > modems which simply did the layer 1 conversion from the POTS line to > (typically) an ATM25 UTP port. Cisco had one (model 626 or > 627 I think.) > Both. The 626 is DMT issue 1, the 627 is DMT issue 2. Good luck finding one. Cisco's 6xx series were an acquisition from Netspeed. The Cisco 675 was originally the Netspeed 204 for example. > Plus of course the network side of the DSLAM is likely 155Mbps > ATM, so you > could connect your FreeBSD server there to terminate PPPoA from > subscribers. I'd be interested to know how many such sessions > you could > achieve on a FreeBSD box - it could be a low-cost alternative to the > products from Cisco or Redback etc. > He doesen't have this side. But if he's a regular ISP connecting to a Telco's DSL network, he isn't going to be handed a 155Mbt ATM connection. He's going to get a ATM DS3 and will need a card for that. Ted From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 7 12:05:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE8B16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:05:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780B243D1D for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:05:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j27C5Pb53791; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 04:05:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 04:05:18 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <86br9v92mw.fsf@xps.des.no> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: RE: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:05:22 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [mailto:des@des.no] > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 2:23 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: atm@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: PPP over ATM > > > "Ted Mittelstaedt" writes: > > Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > > > "Ted Mittelstaedt" writes: > > > > Dag, I think you are a bit mistaken. You don't need an > ATM card for > > > > this. > > > Ted, I think you are a bit mistaken. First of all, my name is not > > > Dag. Second, this is not about what you think I need, but > about what > > > I want to do with what I have. > > How exactly are you going to get the DSL signal from the > telephone line > > into the ATM card, then? You did say this was ADSL. > > Yes, it is. PPP over copper ATM straight into my living room. What exactly is this copper? If this is an ATM25 interface, for example, it's going to have 3 pairs, a TX a RX and DC power. And it's going to be terminated on a RF45 jack. There will be no telephone number associated with this If however it's ADSL then it's a single pair, on a telephone POTS line. If that is the case then it's a band of frequencies that need to be converted into something that the FreeBSD system can understand electrically. That is what the DSL modem does. Ted From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 7 13:21:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C5F16A4CE for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:21:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mercury.qix.co.uk (mercury.qix.co.uk [212.42.1.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C256443D39 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:21:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aledm@qix.co.uk) Received: from localhost (aledm@localhost) by mercury.qix.co.uk (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j27DLFPs010412; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:21:15 GMT Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:21:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Aled Morris To: Ted Mittelstaedt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: RE: PPP over ATM X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:21:18 -0000 On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >He doesen't have this side. But if he's a regular ISP connecting >to a Telco's DSL network, he isn't going to be handed a 155Mbt ATM >connection. He's going to get a ATM DS3 and will need a card for >that. He would if he was in the UK; BT's handoff for their ATM level DSL service (which they call Datastream) is 155Mbps only. I don't know what they do in .no Aled From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 10 11:58:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DFA16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:58:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-1.dlr.de (smtp-1.dlr.de [195.37.61.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD1D43D1F for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:58:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Hartmut.Brandt@dlr.de) Received: from beagle.kn.op.dlr.de ([129.247.173.6]) by smtp-1.dlr.de over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:58:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:59:19 +0100 (CET) From: Harti Brandt X-X-Sender: brandt_h@beagle.kn.op.dlr.de To: atm@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050310125438.P35964@beagle.kn.op.dlr.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2005 11:58:06.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BE121B0:01C52568] Subject: Users of netatm/HARP X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Harti Brandt List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:58:09 -0000 Hi all, the netatm directory containing the HARP code is basically unmaintained. Giving that most of the usual ATM stuff can now also be done with NgATM it is intented to remove netatm at one point in HEAD. The one missing piece in NgATM that netatm does is CLIP over signalled connections. I have some code for this that worked with earlier versions of NgATM, but I doubt that I have enough time in the next view months to actual bring this into current. So the question is: what would break for whom if we remove netatm? harti From owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 11 20:50:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746A816A4E7; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:50:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailhost.stack.nl (vaak.stack.nl [131.155.140.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81E343D1F; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:50:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dean@dragon.stack.nl) Received: from dragon.stack.nl (dragon.stack.nl [IPv6:2001:610:1108:5011:207:e9ff:fe09:230]) by mailhost.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9221F168; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:50:31 +0100 (CET) Received: by dragon.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 1600) id CA7C15F31F; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:50:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:50:31 +0100 From: Dean Strik To: Harti Brandt Message-ID: <20050311205031.GA24646@dragon.stack.nl> References: <20050310125438.P35964@beagle.kn.op.dlr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050310125438.P35964@beagle.kn.op.dlr.de> X-Editor: VIM Rulez! http://www.vim.org/ X-MUD: Outerspace - telnet://mud.stack.nl:3333 X-Really: Yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i cc: atm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Users of netatm/HARP X-BeenThere: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: ATM for FreeBSD! List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:50:33 -0000 Harti Brandt wrote: > the netatm directory containing the HARP code is basically unmaintained. > Giving that most of the usual ATM stuff can now also be done with NgATM it > is intented to remove netatm at one point in HEAD. The one missing piece > in NgATM that netatm does is CLIP over signalled connections. I have some > code for this that worked with earlier versions of NgATM, but I doubt that > I have enough time in the next view months to actual bring this into > current. > > So the question is: what would break for whom if we remove netatm? ForeIP and SPANS? :) But I don't think supporting these is worth the trouble and IMHO harp can be retired now... -- Dean C. Strik Eindhoven University of Technology dean@stack.nl | dean@ipnet6.org | http://www.ipnet6.org/ "This isn't right. This isn't even wrong." -- Wolfgang Pauli