From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 03:29:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06AC16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:29:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4242743D1F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:29:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robdem@att.net) Received: from [12.77.66.121] (121.washington-43rh16rt-44rh15rt.dc.dial-access.att.net[12.77.66.121]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <20050214032921113002nqbee>; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:29:24 +0000 Message-ID: <42101B73.2020607@att.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:30:59 -0500 From: "Rob D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041111 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:29:36 -0000 In-Reply-To: <20050210201125.56158.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> (... redirecting thread to FreeBSD chat...) On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:11:24PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: > it was said: > > > As a non-Christian, all I have to say to David is "right on." > > Sounds like you're another person who, for reasons that you know better > than I, you seem to have taken my remarks as a personal attack. I am responding to your invocation to a political cliche -- that is, that we are facing a very real crisis, an erosion of the "separation of Church and State." We are not. Indeed, pace the claim that the phrase doesn't exist in the Constitution, the ban against "establishment" in the First Amendment and "religious tests" in the body of the document is sufficient to offer real legal protection against discrimination for both religious and non-religious minorities/majorities. With regards to potential legal assaults against religious freedom, which includes, for example, officially-sanctioned school prayer in public schools or forced indoctrination to religious dogma, you and I have no disagreement. It is true that this has happened in a few isolated localities, like the school district that recently insisted an anti-evolution "disclaimer" be placed on science texts. Such incidents are troubling as a matter of principle. The idea, however, that the American public school system, dominated as it is by liberal teachers' unions and interest groups, will suddenly start spouting off about "Intelligent Design" is simply nonsense. Public schools in this country are more likely to teach the children that we will all burn to a crisp in 30 years because of Global Warming/American Capitalism than turn into a den of (traditionalist) religious zealots. > > >I also like Beastie, and would be greatly annoyed if FreeBSD got > >rid of it. Political correctness sucks -- whatever side of the > >political spectrum it comes from. > > Agreed to a point, the point being WHY beastie is replaced or, in > newspeak, "supplemented". If beastie were being "supplemented" as a > routine matter of business as logos sometimes are, I wouldn't be > annoyed, only disappointed. However, as you point out, beastie is being > replaced in a capitulation to what you mischaracterize as "political > correctness". This is a case of theological correctness; politics > doesn't enter into the discussion. Fair enough, though you've probably noted other posters being no more careful on this point than I. > What I said is that those who complained about beastie belong to a > brand of religious ideology belonging to an irrational minority and as > such they and their complaints should be ignored. > > > > However, so-called "free thinkers" who bravely equate George Bush > >to Iranian mullahs and believe people who have a problem with ripping > >the heads off of nine-month fetuses are no different than the freaking > >Taliban are the same idiots who buy into Michael Moore's conspiracy > >theories, idolize the mass murderer Che Guevara, and think the CIA > >"assassinated" reggae singers because America was about to chill out > >too much. > > I don't believe I mentioned anything about Bush, Iran, fetuses, Michael > Moore, Che Guevara, or the CIA. Please keep to the discussion at hand > if you're not irrational. > And the people sending e-mails complaining about Beastie being "demonic" presumably didn't "mention" wanting to "eliminate the barrier between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic country." What's your point? > > And, oh yes, I am also a Maryland Republican living in painfully > >liberal Montgomery County, where our great progressive government > >leaders, unlike the Talibanesque John Ashcroft, have banned smoking in > >bars, not to mention a flurry of others pieces of legislation that > >regulate people's private lives. > > Sounds like you are unhappy with your local government. I would > register and vote them out of office if I were you. That's how a > representative democracy works. > Thanks for the civics lesson :; [mangled quotation reformatted] > > And let's not forget, Stheg, that leftist European governments are > >not known for their great libertarian restraint. The anti-terrorism laws > >of many European nations think France, maybe Holland soon enough) make > >the Patriot Act look like something out of Mayberry. > > Now I'm really puzzled. Are you saying that you are moving to Europe to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Apparently. > get away from "painfully liberal Montgomery County"? I don't think > you'll like it there after the novelty wears off. Compared to most of > America, it's cold and expensive. Reread what I wrote, slower this time. I never said I wanted to move to Europe. Maybe visit (if honked-off Euro-leftists would just chill out and stop accosting anyone with an American accent with rants about that War-Monger-in-Chief.) > Perhaps you, like Mr. Johnson, are assuming from my name that I am not > American and are making a "Europeans are worse than Americans" > argument. Once again, your words do more to prove than disprove my > "xenophobia" remark. To quote, well, you: "Please keep to the discussion at hand." I don't recall "xenophobia" having anything to do with this debate. You were the one who raised the issue. Some Americans are xenophobic, some Europeans too. If you like "rational" debates, why even raise the issue? > > > Know thyselves, hypocrites. Fundies aren't the only ones that > need >to mind their own business. > > Based on this statement, I infer you are calling people against > religious oppression hypocrites, an interesting but contextually Uh, no. I am suggesting immature, adolescent rebels, who conflate (maybe sometimes annoying, but otherwise harmless) politicians' invocations of The Deity to Iranian-style mullocracy put down the Ayn Rand novels and grow up. > irrelevant remark. Unless you mean to imply that I personally am a > hypocrite. If that is the case, adduce the statements I have made to > make your case. The statement was not personal, but a general observation. I have noticed that many people who talk about privacy with regards to Religious Right types don't seem to be too concerned about privacy violations coming from the Religious & Irreligious Left (making public school kids take surveys quizing them on their parents' and friends' parents posession of handguns, etc.) The hypocrisy is, indeed, galling. A final point, debates with references to "Church-State" issues ought to center only on the interplay between governments and, well, churches (i.e. theological matters). Unfortunately, all too often many people expressing concerns on this front conflate political and moral disputes (abortion, embryonic stem cell research, for example) to matters of Church and State. These are distinct matters. The fact that many churches do care about such issues doesn't change that fact. Many churches passionately oppose the death penalty and yet I don't hear anguished concerns about the eroding wall between church and state when priests or ministers denounce it. > > You go on to say "Fundies" -and others- need to mind their own > business. The problem here is the "Fundies" (your word, not mine) > aren't minding their own business; they're minding ours! > Also at issue is the way the decision to "supplement" beastie was made. > Apparently, "the FreeBSD Project" thinks sneaking around and handing > out a _fait accompli_ is the proper way to be "professional" in this > community. As a member of this community, I AM minding my own business > by taking "them" to task for a rather base betrayal of trust. > > Stheg Fair enough. Now, barring libel, slander, or yelling Microsoft! in a crowded theater, I will cede to you the final word, if you like, but this thread has gone on long enough. --Rob From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 00:02:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B3516A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:02:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E667B43D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:02:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 00:02:01 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:01:59 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <42101B73.2020607@att.net> In-Reply-To: <42101B73.2020607@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502141602.00238.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: "Rob D." cc: stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:02:02 -0000 On Sunday 13 February 2005 07:30 pm, "Rob D." wrote: > Uh, no. I am suggesting immature, adolescent rebels, who > conflate (maybe sometimes annoying, but otherwise harmless) > politicians' invocations of The Deity to Iranian-style mullocracy put > down the Ayn Rand novels and grow up. > The statement was not personal, but a general observation. I > have noticed that many people who talk about privacy with regards to > Religious Right types don't seem to be too concerned about privacy > violations coming from the Religious & Irreligious Left (making > public school kids take surveys quizing them on their parents' and > friends' parents posession of handguns, etc.) The hypocrisy is, > indeed, galling. So ... The leftists who want school kids to quiz their parents about their possession of handguns should put down the Ayn Rand novels? I'm so confused ... - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 00:52:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0A116A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:52:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB7F543D31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:52:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 00:52:03 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:52:00 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502092156.j19LuxPX019346@petitiononline.com> <20050212004349.GA7816@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <20050211163849.F443@knight.ixsystems.net> In-Reply-To: <20050211163849.F443@knight.ixsystems.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502141652.01644.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Justin Pessa cc: Matt Olander cc: Frank Shute Subject: Re: Signature Confirmation - Help Save the FreeBSD Mascot - 181 - fbsdmsc1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:52:04 -0000 On Friday 11 February 2005 04:38 pm, Matt Olander wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 07:43:49PM -0500, Justin Pessa wrote: > > I believe the artist is also working on a *new* gnome ui: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~adamw/screenshots/gnome_ss_20050211.png > > > > I am looking forward to these new changes! > > > > Although honestly I suspect *someone* has too much time on their > > hands! > > omg! he beat me to the transparent applet with transparent text! :( > > 2funny. please start a comic strip. I made a couple of logos. The first one is a bit rough around the edges but should be suitable for non-corporate settings. The second one would be best in situations where people might be offended by certain images. We may have to ask for permission on that one, though ... http://home.pacbell.net/jtinnin/logo/fbsdlogo1.gif http://home.pacbell.net/jtinnin/logo/fbsdlogo2.jpg - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 02:42:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F40716A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:42:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC70C43D31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:42:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:42:13 -0600 Message-ID: <4211617F.7030309@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:42:07 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joshua Tinnin References: <200502092156.j19LuxPX019346@petitiononline.com> <20050212004349.GA7816@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <20050211163849.F443@knight.ixsystems.net> <200502141652.01644.krinklyfig@spymac.com> In-Reply-To: <200502141652.01644.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2005 02:42:14.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4BB94C0:01C51307] cc: Justin Pessa cc: Matt Olander cc: Frank Shute cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Signature Confirmation - Help Save the FreeBSD Mascot - 181 - fbsdmsc1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:42:15 -0000 Joshua Tinnin wrote: >I made a couple of logos. The first one is a bit rough around the edges >but should be suitable for non-corporate settings. The second one would >be best in situations where people might be offended by certain images. >We may have to ask for permission on that one, though ... > >http://home.pacbell.net/jtinnin/logo/fbsdlogo1.gif > >http://home.pacbell.net/jtinnin/logo/fbsdlogo2.jpg > >- jt > > OK, but those aren't **vector** graphics. <8-P KDK From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 15:21:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8351916A4CF for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:21:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF24443D2D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:21:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:21:05 -0600 Message-ID: <42121360.2050905@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:21:04 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AEC@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <42110635.3080209@nbritton.org> <268244209.20050215005013@wanadoo.fr> <42115637.6080307@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <42115637.6080307@nbritton.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2005 15:21:06.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[F826ED20:01C51371] cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 2.3: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd. com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:21:11 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: ><> Also how come we have a man page for man but none for > woman, all I get is "No manual entry for woman"? woman(x) is a unique and seperate server; woman(x) has an extremely efficient security mechanism and uses a proprietary protocol that man(1) doesn't speak. However, woman(x) is generally compiled to translate man(1) commands automatically as long as man(1) limits the amount of requests to a reasonable level (e.g. don't use the "-a" switch). But unless woman(x) is listening on an open socket, man(1) can't make a connection. Occasionally the client/server (for lack of a better term) relationship between man(1) and woman(x) works very well. In those cases, I recommend adoption of the following manual page (after conversion from Slowlaris lingo, of course.... :-D Kevin Kinsey ************************************************************** BABY(1) USER COMMANDS BABY(1) NAME BABY - create new process from two parent processes SYNOPSIS BABY sex [ name ] SYSTEM V SYNOPSIS /usr/5bin/BABY [ -sex ] [ -name ] AVAILABILITY The System V version of this command is available with the Sys- tem V software installation option. Refer to Installing SunOS 4.1 for information on how to install and invoke BABY. DESCRIPTION BABY is initiated when one parent process polls another server process through a socket connection (BSD) or through pipes in the system V implementation. BABY runs at a low priority for approximately 40 weeks then terminates with heavy system load. Most systems require constant monitoring when BABY reaches its final stages of execution. Older implentations of BABY required that the initiating process not be present at the time of completion, In these versions the initiating process is awakened and notified of the results upon completion. Modern versions allow both parent processes to be active during the final stages of BABY. example% BABY -sex m -name fred OPTIONS -sex option indicating type of process created. -name process identification to be attaced to the new process. RESULT Successful execution of the BABY(1) results in new process being created and named. Parent processes then typically broadcast messages to all other processes informing them of their new status in the system. BUGS The SLEEP command may not work on either parent processes for some time afterward, as new BABY processes constantly send interrupts which must be handled by one or both parents. BABY processes upon being created may frequently dump in /tmp, requiring /tmp to be cleaned out frequently by one of the parent processes. The original AT&T version was provided without instructions regarding the created process; current implementations, regrettably, also suffer from a lack of documentation. SEE ALSO cigars(6) dump(5) cry(3) OTHER IMPLEMENTATIONS gnoops(1) FSF version of BABY where none of the authors will accept responsibility for anything. NOTES baby -sex f -name Cathryn Leigh Beck completed sucessfully at the Grey Nuns Hospital on March 30 at 9:59 P.M. after 5 hours of labour. New Mom Chenelle is doing fine, as is the baby, Dad is tickled pink. Both will probably come home sometime on Tuesday. More information can be gotten from Dad by e-mail or when he brings his new little girl by to show her off (should be soon) Celebrations can probably begin in earnest after Dad catches up on all the work he couldn't do this weekend. Sun Release 4.1 Last change: Just before I left the hospital last. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 05:16:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B3B16A4CE for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:16:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F08A43D1D for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:16:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20050216051639i92004tvvde>; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:16:39 +0000 Message-ID: <4212D732.8040004@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:16:34 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050202) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Kinsey References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AEC@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <42110635.3080209@nbritton.org> <268244209.20050215005013@wanadoo.fr> <42115637.6080307@nbritton.org> <42121360.2050905@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <42121360.2050905@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 2.3: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd. com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:16:41 -0000 :-D that was a good one... > touch woman touch: woman: Permission denied Yea ever notice the sexual undertones in unix... touch, finger, mount, fsck, fork... :-). Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Nikolas Britton wrote: > > ><> Also how come we have a man page for man but none for > > woman, all I get is "No manual entry for woman"? > > woman(x) is a unique and seperate server; woman(x) has an > extremely efficient security mechanism and uses a proprietary > protocol that man(1) doesn't speak. However, woman(x) is > generally compiled to translate man(1) commands automatically > as long as man(1) limits the amount of requests to a reasonable > level (e.g. don't use the "-a" switch). > > But unless woman(x) is listening on an open socket, man(1) > can't make a connection. > > Occasionally the client/server (for lack of a better term) relationship > between man(1) and woman(x) works very well. In those cases, > I recommend adoption of the following manual page (after conversion > from Slowlaris lingo, of course.... > :-D > > Kevin Kinsey > > ************************************************************** > > BABY(1) USER COMMANDS BABY(1) > > NAME > BABY - create new process from two parent processes > > SYNOPSIS > BABY sex [ name ] > > SYSTEM V SYNOPSIS > /usr/5bin/BABY [ -sex ] [ -name ] > > AVAILABILITY > The System V version of this command is available with the Sys- > tem V software installation option. Refer to Installing > SunOS 4.1 for information on how to install and invoke BABY. > > DESCRIPTION > BABY is initiated when one parent process polls another server > process > through a socket connection (BSD) or through pipes in the system V > implementation. BABY runs at a low priority for approximately 40 weeks > then > terminates with heavy system load. Most systems require constant > monitoring > when BABY reaches its final stages of execution. > > Older implentations of BABY required that the initiating > process not > be present at the time of completion, In these versions the initiating > process is awakened and notified of the results upon completion. Modern > versions allow both parent processes to be active during the final > stages of > BABY. > > > example% BABY -sex m -name fred > > OPTIONS > > -sex > option indicating type of process created. > > -name > touch woman > touch: woman: Permission denied > > process identification to be attaced to the new process. > > RESULT > Successful execution of the BABY(1) results in new process > being created and named. Parent processes then typically > broadcast messages to all other processes informing them of their > new status in the system. > > > BUGS > The SLEEP command may not work on either parent processes for some > time afterward, as new BABY processes constantly send interrupts > which must be handled by one or both parents. > > BABY processes upon being created may frequently dump > in /tmp, requiring /tmp to be cleaned out frequently by one > of the parent processes. > > The original AT&T version was provided without instructions > regarding the created process; current implementations, regrettably, > also suffer from a lack of documentation. > > SEE ALSO > cigars(6) dump(5) cry(3) > > OTHER IMPLEMENTATIONS > > gnoops(1) > FSF version of BABY where none of the authors will accept > responsibility for anything. > > NOTES > > baby -sex f -name Cathryn Leigh Beck > > completed sucessfully at the Grey Nuns Hospital on March 30 at > 9:59 P.M. after 5 hours of labour. New Mom Chenelle is doing > fine, as is the baby, Dad is tickled pink. Both will probably > come home sometime on Tuesday. More information can be gotten > from Dad by e-mail or when he brings his new little girl by to > show her off (should be soon) Celebrations can probably begin > in earnest after Dad catches up on all the work he couldn't do > this weekend. > > > Sun Release 4.1 Last change: Just before I left the hospital last. > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 07:15:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD9A16A4CE for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:15:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cydem.org (S0106000103ce4c9c.ed.shawcable.net [68.149.254.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF7543D5C for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:15:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from S01060020ed3972ba.ed.shawcable.net (S01060020ed3972ba.ed.shawcable.net [68.149.254.68]) by cydem.org (Postfix/FreeBSD) with ESMTP id 4D1E9381E0 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:15:37 -0700 (MST) From: To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:15:42 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AEC@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <42121360.2050905@daleco.biz> <4212D732.8040004@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <4212D732.8040004@nbritton.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502160015.42854.soralx@cydem.org> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd. com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:15:38 -0000 > :-D that was a good one... > : > > touch woman > > touch: woman: Permission denied > > Yea ever notice the sexual undertones in unix... touch, finger, mount, > fsck, fork... :-). :) that's not a complete algorithm... view; talk; touch; strip; finger; mount; fsck; umount; sleep Timestamp: 0x4212F25E [SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ ridin' VN1500-B2 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 11:36:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61DE16A4CE for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:36:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A2843D1D for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:36:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (132.dairy.twenty4help.se [80.65.195.132]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GBaU6L071471; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:36:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <42133039.3030405@401.cx> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:36:25 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soralx@cydem.org References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AEC@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <42121360.2050905@daleco.biz> <4212D732.8040004@nbritton.org> <200502160015.42854.soralx@cydem.org> In-Reply-To: <200502160015.42854.soralx@cydem.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd. com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:36:41 -0000 soralx@cydem.org wrote: >>:-D that was a good one... >>: >> > touch woman >> >>touch: woman: Permission denied >> >>Yea ever notice the sexual undertones in unix... touch, finger, mount, >>fsck, fork... :-). > > > :) that's not a complete algorithm... > > view; talk; touch; strip; finger; mount; fsck; umount; sleep > You forgot 'unzip;' :) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 18:47:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D379716A4CE for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:47:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kryten.go-dedicated.com (kryten.go-dedicated.com [67.18.56.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E4443D46 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:47:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nic@ohko.org) Received: from 82-41-161-16.cable.ubr02.linl.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.41.161.16] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by kryten.go-dedicated.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.44) id 1D1UCf-0004Hm-0m for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:47:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <42133039.3030405@401.cx> References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AEC@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <42121360.2050905@daleco.biz> <4212D732.8040004@nbritton.org> <200502160015.42854.soralx@cydem.org> <42133039.3030405@401.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nicolas Mackintosh Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:48:36 +0000 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: nic@ohko.org X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - kryten.go-dedicated.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ohko.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd. com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:47:16 -0000 I've always found grep to be somewhat disturbing! N On 16 Feb 2005, at 11:36, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > soralx@cydem.org wrote: >>> :-D that was a good one... >>> : >>> > touch woman >>> >>> touch: woman: Permission denied >>> >>> Yea ever notice the sexual undertones in unix... touch, finger, >>> mount, >>> fsck, fork... :-). >> :) that's not a complete algorithm... >> view; talk; touch; strip; finger; mount; fsck; umount; sleep > > You forgot 'unzip;' :) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 19:32:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122B816A4CE for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:32:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5DF43D41 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:32:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:32:19 -0600 Message-ID: <42139FC1.9030406@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:32:17 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AEC@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <42110635.3080209@nbritton.org> <268244209.20050215005013@wanadoo.fr> <42115637.6080307@nbritton.org> <42121360.2050905@daleco.biz> <4212D732.8040004@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <4212D732.8040004@nbritton.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 19:32:19.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B0AEBE0:01C5145E] cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 2.3: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd. com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:32:21 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: > :-D that was a good one... > > > touch woman > touch: woman: Permission denied > > Yea ever notice the sexual undertones in unix... touch, finger, mount, > fsck, fork... :-). Well, there are some, perhaps, but also a good sense of moral propriety. To counter your example: [kadmin@archangel][~] touch woman Probably you weren't allowed to `touch woman` 'cuz you weren't at $HOME. That stuff out on the road can be dangerous ;-) KDK From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 06:25:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B7416A4CE for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 06:25:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336F443D55 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 06:25:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050217062517i9100k4qkqe>; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 06:25:17 +0000 Message-ID: <421438C7.20908@nbritton.org> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:25:11 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050202) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Kinsey References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AEC@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <42110635.3080209@nbritton.org> <268244209.20050215005013@wanadoo.fr> <42115637.6080307@nbritton.org> <42121360.2050905@daleco.biz> <4212D732.8040004@nbritton.org> <42139FC1.9030406@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <42139FC1.9030406@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 2.3: Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd. com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 06:25:18 -0000 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Nikolas Britton wrote: > >> :-D that was a good one... >> >> > touch woman >> touch: woman: Permission denied >> >> Yea ever notice the sexual undertones in unix... touch, finger, >> mount, fsck, fork... :-). > > > > Well, there are some, perhaps, but also a good sense of moral > propriety. To counter your example: > > [kadmin@archangel][~] > touch woman > > Probably you weren't allowed to `touch woman` 'cuz you > weren't at $HOME. That stuff out on the road can be > dangerous ;-) > > KDK > Yes, messing around in roots home with his girl can be dangerous ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 03:18:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1286C16A4CE for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:18:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD7DA43D46 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:18:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@pacbell.net) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (krinklyfig@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with plain) by smtp819.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2005 03:18:20 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:18:20 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502171918.20271.krinklyfig@pacbell.net> Subject: teco added to ports - Fwd: FreshPorts daily new ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:18:21 -0000 Wow ... teco is finally in FreeBSD ports. Now I have the option of easily installing an editor that causes ulcers and premature aging even faster than ed does! ;-P - jt (I know, teco is part of UNIX history, and I know it's fast and powerful, but think I'll stick with vim for now ...) ----------  Forwarded Message  ---------- Date: Thursday 17 February 2005 06:17 pm http://www.FreshPorts.org/editors/teco/      Powerful and compact editor with nongrafical user interface From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 06:35:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4EB16A4CE for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:35:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AEE43D39 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:35:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: from stox.dyndns.org (adsl-69-208-186-220.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [69.208.186.220])j1I6Z2OB151886; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:35:03 -0500 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Joshua Tinnin In-Reply-To: <200502171918.20271.krinklyfig@pacbell.net> References: <200502171918.20271.krinklyfig@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:35:02 -0600 Message-Id: <1108708502.58526.1.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: teco added to ports - Fwd: FreshPorts daily new ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:35:05 -0000 On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 19:18 -0800, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > Wow ... teco is finally in FreeBSD ports. Now I have the option of > easily installing an editor that causes ulcers and premature aging even > faster than ed does! Wasn't emacs originally implemented as a set of teco macros? -- Kenneth P. Stox From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 18 06:46:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B8B16A4CE for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:46:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E64C43D45 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:46:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@pacbell.net) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (krinklyfig@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with plain) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2005 06:46:25 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:46:23 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502171918.20271.krinklyfig@pacbell.net> <1108708502.58526.1.camel@stox.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <1108708502.58526.1.camel@stox.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502172246.23573.krinklyfig@pacbell.net> cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: teco added to ports - Fwd: FreshPorts daily new ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:46:25 -0000 On Thursday 17 February 2005 10:35 pm, "Kenneth P. Stox" wrote: > On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 19:18 -0800, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > > Wow ... teco is finally in FreeBSD ports. Now I have the option of > > easily installing an editor that causes ulcers and premature aging > > even faster than ed does! > > Wasn't emacs originally implemented as a set of teco macros? As far as I understand it, teco was/is a precursor to emacs ... but that's about as far as I understand it ;) That makes sense, though, as IIRC emacs was originally implemented as a set of macros. - jt