From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 26 22:43:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5454316A4CE for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:43:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay2.beelinegprs.ru (relay2.beelinegprs.ru [217.118.71.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD32343D41 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:43:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from relay2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay2 (Postfix) with SMTP id 55A9510D0A; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:43:49 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [172.20.31.10] (unknown [217.118.95.4]) by relay2.beelinegprs.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 4152110C83; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:43:44 +0300 (MSK) From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Yuri?=" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: 27 Mar 2005 01:43:55 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Message-Id: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Formal (214/050325) X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Detect Hard No RBL (4/030526) X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: SysLog X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Marking Spam - Subject (2/030321) X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 2.0.0 [0129], SpamtestISP/Release cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Yuri?= Subject: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:43:55 -0000 I've installed Solaris 10 for x86 some time before just to taste it since I= heard a lot about it but never tryed. Solaris seemed to be very slow in co= mparision to FBSD. To be honest I expected much more from a commercial OS t= han I sow in Solaris. Maybe I just didn't get something=3F What you think= =3F From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 26 23:31:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7291516A4CE for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:31:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [195.170.0.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A06C43D3F for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:31:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a054.otenet.gr [212.205.215.54]) j2QNUmnM011735; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:30:49 +0200 Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QNVKwF004735; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:31:20 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j2QNVKUo004734; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:31:20 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:31:20 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Yuri Message-ID: <20050326233120.GA4611@gothmog.gr> References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:31:33 -0000 On 2005-03-27 01:43, Yuri wrote: > I've installed Solaris 10 for x86 some time before just to taste it > since I heard a lot about it but never tryed. Solaris seemed to be > very slow in comparision to FBSD. To be honest I expected much more > from a commercial OS than I sow in Solaris. Maybe I just didn't get > something? What you think? Do you have any numbers to show that? The general "feel" of a system may be a factor that obviously influences the opinion one has for interactive use, but real, hard numbers and a few charts with repeatable, documented benchmarks are always a better way to make informed decisions. Comparisons of FreeBSD vs. Solaris (especially version 10) would be nice material for freebsd-advocacy, I guess. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 11:34:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A450C16A4CE for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:34:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (bgo1smout1.broadpark.no [217.13.4.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE5B43D31 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:34:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no ([217.13.4.93]) by bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE0000I8D909O20@bgo1smout1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:29:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dsa.des.no ([80.203.228.37]) by bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE0004ZYDKVJ7A0@bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:36:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dsa.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 09B0BBDC60; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:34:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from xps.des.no (xps.des.no [10.0.0.12]) by dsa.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 986FBBDC57; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:34:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9188233C3E; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:34:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:34:51 +0200 From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) In-reply-to: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> To: Yuri Message-id: <86oed5wcdg.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on dsa.des.no References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:34:57 -0000 "Yuri" writes: > I've installed Solaris 10 for x86 some time before just to taste it > since I heard a lot about it but never tryed. Solaris seemed to be > very slow in comparision to FBSD. To be honest I expected much more > from a commercial OS than I sow in Solaris. Maybe I just didn't get > something? What you think? Solaris has always been slow on x86. Try it on an UltraSparc instead. The x86 version seems intended mainly to allow people to get a taste of it without having to buy UltraSparc hardware. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 12:46:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A03216A4CE for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:46:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hawk.dcu.ie (mail.dcu.ie [136.206.1.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFE443D54 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:46:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from svan@redbrick.dcu.ie) Received: from deathray.redbrick.dcu.ie (136.206.15.3) by hawk.dcu.ie (7.0.016) id 41108D1900E5EE33 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:46:01 +0100 Received: from carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie ([2001:770:107:15:206:5bff:fefc:fb70] ident=mail) by deathray.redbrick.dcu.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1DFX9z-0007rK-G5 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:46:31 +0100 Received: from svan by carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DFX9f-00043I-00 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:46:11 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:46:11 +0100 From: Sarunas Vancevicius To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050327124610.GA1609@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Mail-Followup-To: Sarunas Vancevicius , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <20050326233120.GA4611@gothmog.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050326233120.GA4611@gothmog.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:46:03 -0000 On 01:31, Sun 27 Mar 05, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > Comparisons of FreeBSD vs. Solaris (especially version 10) would be nice > material for freebsd-advocacy, I guess. Few weeks ago here in uni, some people got 2 guys working on Solaris 10 to come in and give a talk. One talk was entitled "Simply no better answer than Solaris 10", given by Damien Farnham. I think he is the manager for Solaris Performance Team, Dublin, Ireland. I did ask him something on the lines of "How does Solaris 10 compares to FreeBSD 5?". His answer was something on the lines of "No one asked us that yet, so I wouldn't know" (or had the same meaning). It would be interesting to see performance comparisons on different platforms. As long as they aren't marketing-benchmarks... Sarunas From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 17:15:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B327A16A4CE for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:15:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474B943D53 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:15:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phil.brennan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 1so764850rny for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:15:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FKUfN/aqA9empGWky1iPKciCJQGsgkIKX+ettf7IMvAVRj3MOJK6OR8vtYcQDGGV5gnh6NxVwp4ImOW6e58Qocbdw14jwm5t1GbXIbdv5eQ71ZZYuHIC23A9S3b/QQkiXInDD54NhM4NPKryHGUBM/w4CbQX2+xbfTcWddCi/1k= Received: by 10.38.206.25 with SMTP id d25mr1043181rng; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.179.65 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:15:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:15:38 +0100 From: Phil Brennan To: Sarunas Vancevicius , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050327124610.GA1609@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <20050326233120.GA4611@gothmog.gr> <20050327124610.GA1609@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Phil Brennan List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:15:39 -0000 On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:46:11 +0100, Sarunas Vancevicius wrote: > On 01:31, Sun 27 Mar 05, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > Comparisons of FreeBSD vs. Solaris (especially version 10) would be nice > > material for freebsd-advocacy, I guess. > > Few weeks ago here in uni, some people got 2 guys working on Solaris > 10 to come in and give a talk. > > One talk was entitled "Simply no better answer than Solaris 10", > given by Damien Farnham. I think he is the manager for Solaris > Performance Team, Dublin, Ireland. > > I did ask him something on the lines of "How does Solaris 10 > compares to FreeBSD 5?". His answer was something on the lines of > "No one asked us that yet, so I wouldn't know" (or had the same > meaning). > > It would be interesting to see performance comparisons on different > platforms. As long as they aren't marketing-benchmarks... > > Sarunas > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > This mysql benchmark includes solaris 10 and freebsd 5.3. Its a month or two old now, but its the only one I've seen. Dag-Erling, how does this show solaris to be slow on x86? It certainly isn't slow compared to freebsd. http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/27/1243207&tid=72&tid=29 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 12:32:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E49916A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:32:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D2943D31 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:32:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DFtQ5-00034q-3K; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:32:39 +0100 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DFtQ1-00072r-L1; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:32:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:32:33 +0100 (BST) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Yuri?= In-Reply-To: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> Message-ID: References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Jan Grant X-Spam-Score: -2.8 X-Spam-Level: -- cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:32:40 -0000 On Sat, 27 Mar 2005, Yuri wrote: > I've installed Solaris 10 for x86 some time before just to taste it > since I heard a lot about it but never tryed. Solaris seemed to be > very slow in comparision to FBSD. To be honest I expected much more > from a commercial OS than I sow in Solaris. Maybe I just didn't get > something? What you think? >From my experience of it thus far, 10 is the first solaris on intel that doesn't suck; even on a UP box. -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287864 or +44 (0)117 9287088 http://ioctl.org/jan/ Semantic rules, OK? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 12:06:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FEC16A4CE for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:06:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (bgo1smout1.broadpark.no [217.13.4.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD7343D5D for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:06:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no ([217.13.4.93]) by bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE4003SC40YP1A0@bgo1smout1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:00:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dsa.des.no ([80.203.228.37]) by bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE400BBA4CRWV40@bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:07:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dsa.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id B31D0BDC3E; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:06:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from xps.des.no (xps.des.no [10.0.0.12]) by dsa.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 4F00AA9088; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:06:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 460B033C3E; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:06:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:06:02 +0200 From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) In-reply-to: To: Phil Brennan Message-id: <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on dsa.des.no References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <20050326233120.GA4611@gothmog.gr> <20050327124610.GA1609@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: cc: Sarunas Vancevicius cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:06:13 -0000 Phil Brennan writes: > This mysql benchmark includes solaris 10 and freebsd 5.3. Its a month > or two old now, but its the only one I've seen. Dag-Erling, how does > this show solaris to be slow on x86? It certainly isn't slow compared > to freebsd. Please use something else than MySQL as benchmark, as MySQL has well-known issues with FreeBSD's threading model. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 13:44:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844A316A4CE for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:44:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xenial.mcc.ac.uk (xenial.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.203.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D2043D1F for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:44:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by xenial.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1DGH1M-0004PC-Oo for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:44:40 +0100 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j2TDia9B089773 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:44:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.13.1/8.12.6/Submit) id j2TDiZit089772 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:44:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:44:35 +0100 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050329134435.GA89346@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: 'Base class' shared libraries in C? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:44:42 -0000 Hi all, I am trying to implement some C++ functionality in C. Suppose I have several libraries that share behavior and properties, such as version, working directory, and so on. I want other libraries to extend this behavior without having to duplicate any code. For instance: typedef struct base { char version[32]; char path[32]; } base_t; typedef struct foo { base_t *base; int data; } foo_t; typedef struct bar { base_t *base; int data; } bar_t; lib-base.so: base_get_version(base_t *, char *); base_get_path(base_t *, char *); lib-derived-foo.so: foo_one_method(foo_t *, int data); foo_two_method(foo_t *, int data); lib-derived-bar.so: bar_one_method(bar_t *, int data); bar_two_method(bar_t *, int data); I want the derived modules to link with the base library, so that my application can link with only the derived modules and still be able to call the base functions without having to link to that library or call 'wrapper' functions in the derived modules. Is there a way to do this? jm -- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 13:54:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D3716A4CE for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:54:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB02343D2F for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:54:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lisxit@raisingfire.net) Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=46046 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DGHAZ-0004T2-MQ for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:54:11 +0200 Received: from cp240111-a.roose1.nb.home.nl ([84.26.82.135]:50295 helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtp5.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DGHAY-0000oZ-80 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:54:10 +0200 From: "LisXit AT Raisingfire.NET (JeanPaul)" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:54:25 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503291554.26088.lisxit@raisingfire.net> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Wine stuff and FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:54:16 -0000 Yo, Does anybody know something about Wine and FreeBSD (5.3-CURRENT) ? I got a problem with configuring it. I read some tutorials but everything i do, He will not allow me to install dcom98 and Internet Explorer 6 I have to reconfigure the whole wine because I made a big mess yesterday. I'll send the error message && the config later I tried some other mailing lists but without any result Regards, LisXit (JeanPaul) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 05:38:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1497216A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:38:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 84FB443D45 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:38:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.171.3.164 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 05:38:07 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:38:03 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503292138.05308.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Phil Brennan cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: Sarunas Vancevicius Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:38:08 -0000 On Tuesday 29 March 2005 04:06, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Phil Brennan writes: > > This mysql benchmark includes solaris 10 and freebsd 5.3. Its a > > month or two old now, but its the only one I've seen. Dag-Erling, > > how does this show solaris to be slow on x86? It certainly isn't > > slow compared to freebsd. > > Please use something else than MySQL as benchmark, as MySQL has > well-known issues with FreeBSD's threading model. This is something I didn't know, but then again I don't use MySQL with FreeBSD that much. Is this an issue with Postgre? - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 05:47:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3348516A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:47:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.logixonline.com (mail.logixonline.com [216.201.128.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F7643D31 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:47:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ade@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.1.0.241] (unknown [216.201.253.131]) by mail.logixonline.com (SMTPd) with ESMTP id E44035C731; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:47:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <424A3D86.3080003@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:47:50 -0800 From: Ade Lovett User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050328) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joshua Tinnin References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> <200503292138.05308.krinklyfig@spymac.com> In-Reply-To: <200503292138.05308.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:47:54 -0000 Joshua Tinnin wrote: > This is something I didn't know, but then again I don't use MySQL with > FreeBSD that much. Is this an issue with Postgre? No. There are plenty of people running *really*large* postgresql systems on FreeBSD, both 4.x and 5.x. -aDe From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 06:29:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D7516A4CE; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:29:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3765343D5F; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:29:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: from stox.dyndns.org (adsl-69-208-178-163.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [69.208.178.163])j2U6TS28176828; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:29:28 -0500 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Ade Lovett In-Reply-To: <424A3D86.3080003@FreeBSD.org> References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no><424A3D86.3080003@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:29:28 -0600 Message-Id: <1112164168.1209.1.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Joshua Tinnin cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:29:30 -0000 On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 21:47 -0800, Ade Lovett wrote: > No. There are plenty of people running *really*large* postgresql > systems on FreeBSD, both 4.x and 5.x. Just out of curiosity, could you define "*really*large*"? -- Kenneth P. Stox From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 09:40:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E3516A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:40:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D5643D53 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:40:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phil.brennan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 1so179626rny for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:40:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=HJkGAXLH24Nk0OUusuU6qFbAjb78GGXI4AuAcqqyWUz7ts2VTrpplGqhcJwZiSkkTKeo70mBsYZovaxC5yMuaCXH0+VYuUM7js4n03Dog0sN9Z62jy6AwTsCj6JdpYcU4cUneR5AWnuMrWHbyBkMSnHu2JoAL3qCJNwKZZ6F1oc= Received: by 10.38.198.5 with SMTP id v5mr838281rnf; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.179.65 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:40:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:40:18 +0100 From: Phil Brennan To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <20050326233120.GA4611@gothmog.gr> <20050327124610.GA1609@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Phil Brennan List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:40:20 -0000 On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:06:02 +0200, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrot= e: > Phil Brennan writes: > > This mysql benchmark includes solaris 10 and freebsd 5.3. Its a month > > or two old now, but its the only one I've seen. Dag-Erling, how does > > this show solaris to be slow on x86? It certainly isn't slow compared > > to freebsd. >=20 > Please use something else than MySQL as benchmark, as MySQL has > well-known issues with FreeBSD's threading model. >=20 > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no >=20 Thats a strange thing to say, considering that a lot of effort is going into improving FreeBSD's threading to the point where this not an issue any more. MySQL's problems are supposed to be with libc_r threading, not kse threading. MySQL performance on FreeBSD has improved greatly over the past year. The fact that postgres may be a better database doesn't explain why mysql should run slower on freebsd. Are you confident that freebsd offers good performance with postgres? Anyway, if you compare solaris x86 to linux x86 it puts in a very respectable showing there. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 19:58:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBDA16A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:58:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C19D43D1D for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:58:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.13.6] (port=4570 helo=[172.17.0.69]) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1DGjKD-000DDk-00; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:58:01 +0400 Message-ID: <424B04CC.8060909@mail.ru> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:58:04 +0400 From: "Andrew P." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <20050326233120.GA4611@gothmog.gr> <20050327124610.GA1609@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam: Not detected cc: Phil Brennan cc: Sarunas Vancevicius cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@mail.ru List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:58:03 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Phil Brennan writes: > >>This mysql benchmark includes solaris 10 and freebsd 5.3. Its a month >>or two old now, but its the only one I've seen. Dag-Erling, how does >>this show solaris to be slow on x86? It certainly isn't slow compared >>to freebsd. > > > Please use something else than MySQL as benchmark, as MySQL has > well-known issues with FreeBSD's threading model. > > DES Latest talk on the Net suggests that freebsd is a perfect choice for mysql-based database, but you should compile it (mysql) with linux threads enabled. I think Yahoo has used mysql on freebsd for years on end. They have switched their core db units to linux-oracle, though. Andrew P. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 20:03:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674BF16A4F6 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:03:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E74C43D53 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:03:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.13.6] (port=4572 helo=[172.17.0.69]) by mx1.mail.ru with esmtp id 1DGjPe-0004Qu-00; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:03:38 +0400 Message-ID: <424B061D.4050704@mail.ru> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:03:41 +0400 From: "Andrew P." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Paetzel References: <200503221445.47796.josh@tcbug.org> In-Reply-To: <200503221445.47796.josh@tcbug.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wasted CPU cycles X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@mail.ru List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:03:40 -0000 Josh Paetzel wrote: > I have a dual 2.0ghz athlon system here that pretty much idles > throughout the day. It's on a fairly pathetic link (3mbps/256kbps) > but if anyone could make use of it I'd be glad to donate the CPU > time. > I have tried at least 10 different distributed computing projects and chosen dnet for best cross-platform support and nice proxies. http://www.distributed.net P.S. IMHO, organizations will appear soon, buying and reselling CPU cycles. Andrew P. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 30 20:40:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CDC16A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:40:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F29D743D48 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:40:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.171.3.164 with login) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 20:40:58 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, infofarmer@mail.ru Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:40:54 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> <424B04CC.8060909@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <424B04CC.8060909@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503301240.56680.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: Phil Brennan cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: Sarunas Vancevicius Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:40:59 -0000 On Wednesday 30 March 2005 11:58, "Andrew P." wrote: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > > Phil Brennan writes: > >>This mysql benchmark includes solaris 10 and freebsd 5.3. Its a > >> month or two old now, but its the only one I've seen. Dag-Erling, > >> how does this show solaris to be slow on x86? It certainly isn't > >> slow compared to freebsd. > > > > Please use something else than MySQL as benchmark, as MySQL has > > well-known issues with FreeBSD's threading model. > > Latest talk on the Net suggests that freebsd is a > perfect choice for mysql-based database, but you > should compile it (mysql) with linux threads enabled. > > I think Yahoo has used mysql on freebsd for years > on end. They have switched their core db units to > linux-oracle, though. That last part makes sense. Oracle is an obvious choice for what they would need. I'm curious to see what difference compiling MySQL with Linux threads would have, although if the problem is threading, then that makes sense, too. - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 13:47:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3AA16A4CE for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:47:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018D643D60 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:47:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phil.brennan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so455303rnz for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:47:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LBrtAC5OOdmuKgzZWFDnl2Olf9H55pOlGsPKWDM9QcB2Arsz1ubduOqJsA+2gb5gWU7JvQF7zUUoL0adjVoI9CaPulRb0RO5eEkUrktOnCreczO03hBiOcF9jZBGdCYEDBPslvyBTfFzOHFmOHzOrrLId+rSuqbINKLF/JTYexc= Received: by 10.38.25.3 with SMTP id 3mr1756804rny; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.179.65 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:47:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:47:08 +0100 From: Phil Brennan To: infofarmer@mail.ru In-Reply-To: <424B04CC.8060909@mail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <20050326233120.GA4611@gothmog.gr> <20050327124610.GA1609@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> <424B04CC.8060909@mail.ru> cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Phil Brennan List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:47:09 -0000 On Mar 30, 2005 8:58 PM, Andrew P. wrote: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > > Phil Brennan writes: > > > >>This mysql benchmark includes solaris 10 and freebsd 5.3. Its a month > >>or two old now, but its the only one I've seen. Dag-Erling, how does > >>this show solaris to be slow on x86? It certainly isn't slow compared > >>to freebsd. > > > > > > Please use something else than MySQL as benchmark, as MySQL has > > well-known issues with FreeBSD's threading model. > > > > DES >=20 > Latest talk on the Net suggests that freebsd is a > perfect choice for mysql-based database, but you > should compile it (mysql) with linux threads enabled. >=20 > I think Yahoo has used mysql on freebsd for years > on end. They have switched their core db units to > linux-oracle, though. >=20 > Andrew P. >=20 Could you provide urls for this latest talk?=20 >From the testing in that benchmark that I posted, kse threading seems to be as good as linuxthreads, but not enough to catch linux or solaris. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 31 17:10:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF67C16A4CE for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:10:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DAE43D49 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:10:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jnevans@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so493671rnz for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:10:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=aOOK/haDDJbrzFHtEBr58nSd1fW4QUew+HnojLbQVy0z+3tVBZjf+ioSdemzVFR59+Ri0Q9BUwid2qThBRD5Yo6bfoYTABj/tVydCInU05/wkD9Pzj0xlp5o0WL2DeKhv1eFiaTq/uNcI0stKVD6SMhqHGtb3cuWxcXil6y/FWI= Received: by 10.38.198.5 with SMTP id v5mr1920423rnf; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.8.52 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:10:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2cbc9d8205033109102b55e65d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:10:31 -0800 From: Jared Evans To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050331120026.9A20616A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050331120026.9A20616A4D1@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 104, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jared Evans List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:10:31 -0000 I've heard that Yahoo used FreeBSD/MySQL but this is news to me. I'm curious if you knew of any source for this information? > I think Yahoo has used mysql on freebsd for years > on end. They have switched their core db units to > linux-oracle, though. > > Andrew P. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 1 16:06:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB48D16A4CE for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:06:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A77943D39 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:06:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from HonestyalwaysDar@aol.com) Received: from HonestyalwaysDar@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id n.24.6dfaa596 (3940) for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:06:16 -0500 (EST) From: HonestyalwaysDar@aol.com Message-ID: <24.6dfaa596.2f7ecb78@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:06:16 EST To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 104, Issue 5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:06:24 -0000 In a message dated 4/1/2005 7:00:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, freebsd-chat-request@freebsd.org writes: "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" please delete me from this email. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 05:36:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B3D16A4CE for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:36:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC2943D1F for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:36:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.13.21] (port=2140 helo=[172.17.0.69]) by mx1.mail.ru with asmtp id 1DHbJ0-000PHG-00; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:36:22 +0400 Message-ID: <424E2F5B.7090006@mail.ru> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:36:27 +0400 From: "Andrew P." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Brennan References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <20050326233120.GA4611@gothmog.gr> <20050327124610.GA1609@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> <424B04CC.8060909@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam: Not detected cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@mail.ru List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:36:24 -0000 Phil Brennan wrote: > On Mar 30, 2005 8:58 PM, Andrew P. wrote: > >>Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >> >>>Phil Brennan writes: >>> >>> >>>>This mysql benchmark includes solaris 10 and freebsd 5.3. Its a month >>>>or two old now, but its the only one I've seen. Dag-Erling, how does >>>>this show solaris to be slow on x86? It certainly isn't slow compared >>>>to freebsd. >>> >>> >>>Please use something else than MySQL as benchmark, as MySQL has >>>well-known issues with FreeBSD's threading model. >>> >>>DES >> >>Latest talk on the Net suggests that freebsd is a >>perfect choice for mysql-based database, but you >>should compile it (mysql) with linux threads enabled. >> >>I think Yahoo has used mysql on freebsd for years >>on end. They have switched their core db units to >>linux-oracle, though. >> >>Andrew P. >> > > Could you provide urls for this latest talk? > From the testing in that benchmark that I posted, kse threading seems > to be as good as linuxthreads, but not enough to catch linux or > solaris. > What part of it? Yahoo using mysql was in some mySQL manual, Yahoo using freebsd was everywhere, Yahoo switching to oracle was in the news couple of months ago, Yahoo switching to linux was also in the news - and it was explained by linux being a supported platform for oracle, while freebsd being not, and linuxthreads being greater for mysql/freebsd was in that excerpt by a prominent mysql evangelist. Googling for the very last, I only found this: http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/12/27/1243207.shtml quoting: FreeBSD 5.3 did relatively well in both KSE and linuxthreads mode, although with all the work that's been done in the SMP and threading realms, I was a little disappointed with the results. Still, it seems that the native threading model for the production release of FreeBSD-5 is ready for prime time, and can replace the long-standing FreeBSD convention of using linuxthreads with MySQL. For FreeBSD 4.11, however, linuxthreads definitely helped with performance (and in many cases outperformed FreeBSD 5.3). With libc_r, performance lagged far behind linuxthreads for many tests, and there was little scalability. I would say it's highly advisable to build your FreeBSD 4.11 MySQL binary with linuxthreads. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 05:38:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C29B16A4CE for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:38:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B67243D31 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:38:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@mail.ru) Received: from [83.237.13.21] (port=2162 helo=[172.17.0.69]) by mx2.mail.ru with asmtp id 1DHbKm-00017G-00; Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:38:12 +0400 Message-ID: <424E2FC9.3030401@mail.ru> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:38:17 +0400 From: "Andrew P." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: infofarmer@mail.ru References: <20050326224344.4152110C83@relay2.beelinegprs.ru> <20050326233120.GA4611@gothmog.gr> <20050327124610.GA1609@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <86oed2veqd.fsf@xps.des.no> <424B04CC.8060909@mail.ru> <424E2F5B.7090006@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <424E2F5B.7090006@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam: Not detected cc: Phil Brennan cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD and Solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@mail.ru List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:38:14 -0000 Andrew P. wrote: > Phil Brennan wrote: > >> On Mar 30, 2005 8:58 PM, Andrew P. wrote: >> >>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >>> >>>> Phil Brennan writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>> This mysql benchmark includes solaris 10 and freebsd 5.3. Its a month >>>>> or two old now, but its the only one I've seen. Dag-Erling, how does >>>>> this show solaris to be slow on x86? It certainly isn't slow compared >>>>> to freebsd. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please use something else than MySQL as benchmark, as MySQL has >>>> well-known issues with FreeBSD's threading model. >>>> >>>> DES >>> >>> >>> Latest talk on the Net suggests that freebsd is a >>> perfect choice for mysql-based database, but you >>> should compile it (mysql) with linux threads enabled. >>> >>> I think Yahoo has used mysql on freebsd for years >>> on end. They have switched their core db units to >>> linux-oracle, though. >>> >>> Andrew P. >>> >> >> Could you provide urls for this latest talk? From the testing in that >> benchmark that I posted, kse threading seems >> to be as good as linuxthreads, but not enough to catch linux or >> solaris. >> > What part of it? Yahoo using mysql was in some > mySQL manual, Yahoo using freebsd was everywhere, > Yahoo switching to oracle was in the news couple > of months ago, Yahoo switching to linux was also > in the news - and it was explained by linux being > a supported platform for oracle, while freebsd > being not, and linuxthreads being greater for > mysql/freebsd was in that excerpt by a prominent > mysql evangelist. > > Googling for the very last, I only found this: > http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/12/27/1243207.shtml > > quoting: > > FreeBSD 5.3 did relatively well in both KSE and linuxthreads mode, > although with all the work that's been done in the SMP and threading > realms, I was a little disappointed with the results. Still, it seems > that the native threading model for the production release of FreeBSD-5 > is ready for prime time, and can replace the long-standing FreeBSD > convention of using linuxthreads with MySQL. > > For FreeBSD 4.11, however, linuxthreads definitely helped with > performance (and in many cases outperformed FreeBSD 5.3). With libc_r, > performance lagged far behind linuxthreads for many tests, and there was > little scalability. I would say it's highly advisable to build your > FreeBSD 4.11 MySQL binary with linuxthreads. Erm, I've just noticed that it's the one you posted earlier, it's also one of the most popular mysql benchmarking articles there is now :-) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 2 10:15:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AAD916A4CE for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 10:15:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bunko.tanimura.dyndns.org (IP1A0347.kng.mesh.ad.jp [211.13.115.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1148D43D1F for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 10:15:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tanimura@tanimura.dyndns.org) Received: from bunko.tanimura.dyndns.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) ESMTP id j32AF6fO056466 ; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:15:06 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200504021015.j32AF6fO056466@bunko.tanimura.dyndns.org> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:15:06 +0900 From: Seigo Tanimura To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200504020927.j329RDqt076804@repoman.freebsd.org> References: <200504020927.j329RDqt076804@repoman.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.12.0 (Your Wildest Dreams) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 17) (Jumbo Shrimp) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII cc: Seigo Tanimura Subject: 168, 155, or 156? (was: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.birthday) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:15:10 -0000 On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:27:13 +0000 (UTC), Seigo Tanimura said: tanimura> tanimura 2005-04-02 09:27:13 UTC tanimura> FreeBSD src repository tanimura> Modified files: tanimura> usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.birthday tanimura> Log: tanimura> Commemorate the bicentenary of Hans Christian Andersen's birth by tanimura> adding his birthday. tanimura> Revision Changes Path tanimura> 1.29 +1 -0 src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.birthday "Hans Christian Andersen: The Complete Fairy Tales" by Wordsworth Editions (ISBN: 1853268992) claims that he wrote 168 tales, but that book covers only 155 of them, as far as I counted. The other books say 156. Does that mean there are still some of his tales not translated into English yet? (This is why I began learning Danish a few weeks ago) -- Seigo Tanimura