From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 18 22:41:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC1B16A4CE; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:41:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2562643D53; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:41:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08FC88565C; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:10:58 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:10:58 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Stine Madsen Message-ID: <20050418224057.GS82272@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LXqH7sWsIplhrbjF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: FreeBSD Chat cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Culture X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:41:02 -0000 --LXqH7sWsIplhrbjF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday, 18 April 2005 at 23:24:32 +0200, Stine Madsen wrote: > FreeBSD Culture > We are four undergraduate students (1st year) who have chosen Organizatio= nal > Culture and FreeBSD as the subject for our major written project. The > underlying assumption for our project is that the FreeBSD community can be > viewed and described within the framework of the theory for Organizational > behavior and culture - that is; as a 'virtual' organization. To investiga= te > and clarify this, we would like to confer with participants of the FreeBSD > community who are well-informed of the how's and why's of FreeBSD. > > The following non-exhausting list holds examples of questions we would li= ke > to clarify: > > - Does there exist myths, 'legends' and stories concerning FreeBSD, which > are common knowledge in the community. Certainly! Try googling for "bikeshed", for example. With some luck, you might experience one Real Soon Now. > - How does one get to be a member of '-core'? Or more accurately, > how does a member advance in the FreeBSD community? Heh. As an ex-member of core, I'd say: participate, contribute, underestimate the work and stand for election. But I'm sure others will give you better results. > - Is the language described in the 'jargon file' used and understood by a= ll > members of the community? Some of it. Other terms are strongly rejected, er, deprecated. > - What motivates people to join the FreeBSD community and to contribute to > the common course? Good question. I'll leave that to others. > - Is it possible to improve the structure of the FreeBSD community? Of course! Or of course not! =20 > We are not sure where to post questions like these - and if > freebsd.org as a suitable forum for those kind of > questions. Suggestions and thoughts about this will be much > appreciated. I'm copying the FreeBSD-chat list, which may gain you further coverage. > All communication will be by mail, and all participants will be > anonymous should the prefer so. That wouldn't be the FreeBSD way. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --LXqH7sWsIplhrbjF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCZDd5IubykFB6QiMRAibgAJ931UfLvIVLm5TfaOXWtg+NdfW8kQCdEf8i 6/bpt1Rt/LcXhZ7oD16sueo= =BIIT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LXqH7sWsIplhrbjF-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 21 20:50:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D0F16A4CE for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:50:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6207C43D45 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:50:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from tcbug.org (12-218-21-193.client.mchsi.com[12.218.21.193]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20050421205012m9200ge5g3e>; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:50:12 +0000 Message-ID: <42682DFA.4010105@tcbug.org> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:49:30 -0700 From: Josh Paetzel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; IRIX IP32; en-US; rv:1.4.3) Gecko/20040909 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Many thanks for your time X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:50:14 -0000 I would like to just take a moment to thank everyone that has put so much time into the FreeBSD project. As a fruit of their labor I have a free stable feature rich operating system suitable for server AND desktop usage. I don't think I'll ever understand how a professional coder could come home from work and code for a volunteer project. (I know that when I get home from a day of carpentry the last thing I want to do is work on my own house.:) A very special thanks goes out to those at "the top" who still take time to answer the 'newbie' questions on -questions. Thanks Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 22 03:40:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2B416A4CE; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:40:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from VARK.MIT.EDU (VARK.MIT.EDU [18.95.3.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB9E43D39; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:40:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from VARK.MIT.EDU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VARK.MIT.EDU (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j3M3bNpc081642; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:37:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from das@localhost) by VARK.MIT.EDU (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j3M3bMas081641; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:37:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:37:22 -0400 From: David Schultz To: Andre Oppermann Message-ID: <20050422033722.GA81599@VARK.MIT.EDU> Mail-Followup-To: Andre Oppermann , Warner Losh , wb@freebie.xs4all.nl, des@des.no, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20050421175245.GA2098@freebie.xs4all.nl> <863btkq7jp.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050421190515.GA2486@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20050421.155352.41657875.imp@bsdimp.com> <42682EEE.A69A4C99@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42682EEE.A69A4C99@freebsd.org> cc: wb@freebie.xs4all.nl cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Warner Losh cc: des@des.no Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/i386/boot0 boot0.S X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:40:06 -0000 On Fri, Apr 22, 2005, Andre Oppermann wrote: > Final words: This changs affects not one living soul. If those are going to be your final words, I hope you don't write the software that controls the nuclear launch sequence. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 22 11:18:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A0A16A4CE for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:18:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [195.170.0.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF89843D39 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:18:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])j3MBGuVe026807; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:16:57 +0300 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) j3MBI5qU024743; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:18:06 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)j3MBI5RX024729; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:18:05 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:18:04 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Josh Paetzel Message-ID: <20050422111804.GA16808@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <42682DFA.4010105@tcbug.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42682DFA.4010105@tcbug.org> cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Many thanks for your time X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:18:20 -0000 On 2005-04-21 15:49, Josh Paetzel wrote: > I don't think I'll ever understand how a professional coder could come > home from work and code for a volunteer project. (I know that when I > get home from a day of carpentry the last thing I want to do is work > on my own house.:) I believe it's easily explained by the tendency of business-related source to be "hacked in a rush" to match deadlines combined with the need of programmers to work with software they like and can be proud for. A very good article I've recently read that attempts to answer exactly this sort of question was: http://www.openxtra.co.uk/articles/why-do-people-write-open-source-software.php From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 22 15:07:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DF116A4CE for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:07:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from coppi.bath.ac.uk (coppi.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B743D43D45 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:07:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ps2fac@bath.ac.uk) Received: from amos.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.36] ident=mmdf) by coppi.bath.ac.uk with smtp id 1DOzkk-0003zg-F6 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:07:34 +0100 Received: from [138.38.192.23] ( host-138-38-192-23.vpn.bath.ac.uk [138.38.192.23] ) by bath.ac.uk id aa20763 ; 22 Apr 2005 16:07 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <62d59423a6d2e82c11fdf1792588838e@bath.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Felix Cohen Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:07:33 +0100 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Scanner: 5ceba791e4b3cd922839dcdc164d825c15374885 cc: Felix Cohen Subject: F/OSS Psychology Research X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:07:36 -0000 Hey, My name is Felix Cohen, and I am a researcher at Bath University, England. I am currently undertaking research to investigate the relationships between motivation and other factors on F/OSS developers and users. To this end, we have put a questionnaire online for developers to fill in. It is here . Please complete the form honestly. All results will be anonymised, and the final research will be published on the website. Thanks, Felix From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 22 17:50:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A7116A4CF; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:50:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A94343D39; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:50:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) j3MHodIg036523; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:50:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3MHodj8005849; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:50:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j3MHodg2005848; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:50:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:50:39 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andre Oppermann , Warner Losh , des@des.no, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <20050422175039.GA5827@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20050421175245.GA2098@freebie.xs4all.nl> <863btkq7jp.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050421190515.GA2486@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20050421.155352.41657875.imp@bsdimp.com> <42682EEE.A69A4C99@freebsd.org> <20050422033722.GA81599@VARK.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050422033722.GA81599@VARK.MIT.EDU> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/i386/boot0 boot0.S X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:50:50 -0000 On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 11:37:22PM -0400, David Schultz wrote.. > On Fri, Apr 22, 2005, Andre Oppermann wrote: > > Final words: This changs affects not one living soul. > > If those are going to be your final words, I hope you don't > write the software that controls the nuclear launch sequence. Bugs in said software will take care nicely of all living souls left.. :-P -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 22 18:18:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4064216A4CF for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:18:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe10.swipnet.se [212.247.155.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8280343D5C for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:18:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xride@x12.dk) X-T2-Posting-ID: lkM/Dn7LTUP9vUt2XCoVCw== Received: from x12.dk ([83.72.97.237] verified) by mailfe10.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 141163499; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:18:22 +0200 Received: by x12.dk (Postfix, from userid 666) id 6AABB2099; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:18:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by x12.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F68A2082; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:18:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:18:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Soeren Straarup To: Felix Cohen In-Reply-To: <62d59423a6d2e82c11fdf1792588838e@bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20050422201329.B67918@x12.dk> References: <62d59423a6d2e82c11fdf1792588838e@bath.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: F/OSS Psychology Research X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:18:25 -0000 Hi On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Felix Cohen wrote: > Hey, > =09My name is Felix Cohen, and I am a researcher at Bath University, > England. I am currently undertaking research to investigate the > relationships between motivation and other factors on F/OSS developers > and users. > =09To this end, we have put a questionnaire online for developers to fill > in. It is href=3D"http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ps2fac/Research/questionnaire.html > ">here . Please complete the form honestly. All results will be > anonymised, and the final research will be published on the website. > =09Thanks, > > Felix > Could you please clearify the political questions. Cause i didn't understand them. English is not my first language. But yes there should in the form of democracy be politics in OSS, fx like FreeBSD with core team and other teams. But politics from countries should not influence OSS (that is the ideal idea). That is my two pennies.. Best regards S=F8ren Straarup Soeren Straarup | aka OZ2DAK aka Xride FreeBSD wannabe | FreeBSD since 2.2.6-R 'We wanted to believe. But the tools had been taken away..' Mulder From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 23 14:11:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461F516A4CE for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:11:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB29243D5A for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:11:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jwarner@gubug.org) Received: from c-24-10-192-122.hsd1.ut.comcast.net ([24.10.192.122]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005042314111901300rk47ee>; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:11:28 +0000 From: Joe Warner To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:11:31 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <42682DFA.4010105@tcbug.org> <20050422111804.GA16808@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> In-Reply-To: <20050422111804.GA16808@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1226447.B1ppQt89Vk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200504230811.35689.jwarner@gubug.org> cc: Giorgos Keramidas cc: Josh Paetzel Subject: Re: Many thanks for your time X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:11:31 -0000 --nextPart1226447.B1ppQt89Vk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 22 April 2005 05:18 am, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2005-04-21 15:49, Josh Paetzel wrote: > > I don't think I'll ever understand how a professional coder could come > > home from work and code for a volunteer project. (I know that when I > > get home from a day of carpentry the last thing I want to do is work > > on my own house.:) > > I believe it's easily explained by the tendency of business-related > source to be "hacked in a rush" to match deadlines combined with the > need of programmers to work with software they like and can be proud > for. > > A very good article I've recently read that attempts to answer exactly > this sort of question was: > > http://www.openxtra.co.uk/articles/why-do-people-write-open-source-softwa= re >.php Thanks Giorgos, ..that answers a lot of the questions I had when I posted m= y=20 "Why do you do it?" msg a while back. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =2D-=20 Joe Warner BSD/Computer Addict Greater Utah BSD User Group jwarner@gubug.org http://www.gubug.org "Who the heck is this toor guy anyway?" --nextPart1226447.B1ppQt89Vk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCaleXD+IP/JO8tfQRAmJlAKDHMv6ax0gi452CddQP1TTXsi/09ACg0ar8 fQBAiSb4628XJ3qFx7x4SGE= =FkL3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1226447.B1ppQt89Vk--