From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 14 11:26:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1022716A41F for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:26:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAC743D45 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:26:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326695609 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 04:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50347-09 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 04:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (CPE0004aca374af-CM0011e67a4a3b.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [70.26.229.230]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98765600 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 04:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4833D3B for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 07:26:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 07:26:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <42FEF239.24125.14596D38@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: Bacula raising funds for encryption/EFF X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:26:56 -0000 The Bacula project is raising funds to add encryption to its feature set. If you use Bacula, and you can donate a few dollars, I urge you to do do. All proceeds will be donated to the Electronic Frontier Foundation . disclosure: Dan Langille is a committer on the Bacula project. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 18:22:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0AE16A420 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:22:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from San3708@kanojia.com) Received: from kanojia.com (dpg231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.24.140.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ADF3D43D77 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:22:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from San3708@kanojia.com) From: "Szymon Santiago" To: "Dollie Olson" Message-ID: <001901c5a1c6$24a02a00$698aa8c0@flying> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:21:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?McDonald=27s_bomber_j=C4iled?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:22:15 -0000 Hello, some acquaintance will see me and then theyll tell my husband I was = = outKoroviev - hes the devil!has been sitting on this platform and = sleeping, but when the full moonthree pm come. 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I said decidedly = nothing of whats written From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 08:02:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77EE16A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:02:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5BD43D45 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:02:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so706992wra for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:02:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rAtGOkzl+8UxITejwREiN/jrFfXvPiL9KjqzubagUo0KuoB387C4Qa3UN6s/OELXye7RLYzYkxybl2eh4qG9yzsMQ8Qh1BUdQ8yjGGCvDgu6yscFEBUOMhrLUuvwrWaZ8K5dGQ8fbQUXfChayXcwRov835Ffll8YRcyJ5Xut30Q= Received: by 10.54.39.23 with SMTP id m23mr87606wrm; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.124.11 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:02:06 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:02:07 -0000 Anyone want to port FreeBSD to the Linux kernel? This is what I'm thinking.= .. It would have everything that FreeBSD has: *cvsup (same development style), buildworld, etc. *Ports and packages. *FreeBSD tool chain... user / system land tools etc. *UFS2 etc. *Same goals, methods, philosophies, and values. *Everything but the kernel. Plus everything that the Linux kernel has: *Billion dollar bank roll *Millions of developers *Driver support *Software support (Oracle, DB2, and other Linux only apps) I think this combo would be the best of both worlds, the only thing I don't like is that darn GPL stuff. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 08:33:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E418216A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:33:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from davidr@skyforge.net) Received: from kahlan.skyforge.net (kahlan.skyforge.net [66.98.186.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75E6243D45 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:33:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from davidr@skyforge.net) Received: (qmail 56947 invoked by uid 1009); 20 Aug 2005 08:33:23 -0000 Received: from 217.204.199.163 by kahlan.skyforge.net (envelope-from , uid 1007) with qmail-scanner-1.25-st-qms (clamdscan: 0.83/893. spamassassin: 3.0.2. perlscan: 1.25-st-qms. Clear:RC:0(217.204.199.163):SA:0(-2.0/3.0):. 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(davidr@skyforge.net@217.204.199.163) by kahlan.skyforge.net with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 08:33:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:32:55 +0100 From: David Richards User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: nicklas@dinpris.no, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:33:25 -0000 if you want a linux os that acts like freebsd, try debian or gentoo. They are as close as you are going to get with a freebsdlinux-os and I think a lot of peopple on here will ignore you or tell you what they truely think of linux. david Nikolas Britton wrote: >Anyone want to port FreeBSD to the Linux kernel? This is what I'm thinking... > >It would have everything that FreeBSD has: > >*cvsup (same development style), buildworld, etc. >*Ports and packages. >*FreeBSD tool chain... user / system land tools etc. >*UFS2 etc. >*Same goals, methods, philosophies, and values. >*Everything but the kernel. > >Plus everything that the Linux kernel has: > >*Billion dollar bank roll >*Millions of developers >*Driver support >*Software support (Oracle, DB2, and other Linux only apps) > >I think this combo would be the best of both worlds, the only thing I >don't like is that darn GPL stuff. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 10:05:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D34216A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:05:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from beyert@cs.ucr.edu) Received: from mxsf01.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf01.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1529443D45 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:05:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from beyert@cs.ucr.edu) Received: from mxip28a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip28a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.187]) by mxsf01.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7KA5VLL000795 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 06:05:31 -0400 Received: from 66-215-246-57.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com (HELO aeonserv.aeonnet) ([66.215.246.57]) by mxip28a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2005 06:05:31 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,127,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="119758033:sNHT15758112" Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:09:19 -0700 Message-ID: <87r7cozzqo.wl%beyert@cs.ucr.edu> From: Timothy Beyer To: David Richards In-Reply-To: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 17) (Jumbo Shrimp) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: nicklas@dinpris.no, Nikolas Britton , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:05:32 -0000 At Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:32:55 +0100, David Richards wrote: > > if you want a linux os that acts like freebsd, try debian or gentoo. > They are as close as you are going to get with a freebsdlinux-os I don't consider Gentoo to be very similar to FreeBSD. The similarities are at best superficial. The portage system works differently than ports (I'm sure it's quite powerful but knowledge of ports won't help you much when using it) and the user community has different priorities (performance/optimizations, and running the latest cvs applications) than any of the BSD communities. Actually I think the most "BSD-like" Linux is the Mastadon distribution. I think it even uses libc and BSD userland tools. Other BSD-like GNU/Linux distributions include Crux and Slackware (with NetBSD pkgsrc) Actually I have followed tutorials for setting up pkgsrc on Slackware in the past and I was quite happy with the system. (trust me, you'd have to be insane to use Slackware's package system, it really is that bad) --Tim From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 10:39:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A12916A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:39:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ross@axe.homelinux.net) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8494843D48 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:39:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ross@axe.homelinux.net) Received: from lucy.axe.homelinux.net ([82.36.124.90]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:39:51 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (purplehaze [192.168.0.3]) by lucy.axe.homelinux.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BEF0145E7; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:39:01 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <43070829.1090204@axe.homelinux.net> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:38:33 +0100 From: Ross Kendall Axe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Timothy Beyer References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> <87r7cozzqo.wl%beyert@cs.ucr.edu> In-Reply-To: <87r7cozzqo.wl%beyert@cs.ucr.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 OpenPGP: url=http://www.rossaxe.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/.pgpkey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2005 10:39:51.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EC1F670:01C5A573] Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:39:06 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Timothy Beyer wrote: > Actually I have followed tutorials for setting up pkgsrc on Slackware > in the past and I was quite happy with the system. (trust me, you'd > have to be insane to use Slackware's package system, it really is that > bad) > > --Tim I guess I must be insane then. Seriously, there's nothing terribly wrong with Slackware's package system. It's simple and reliable, which is more than can be said for many of the competitors. Ross -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDBwge9bR4xmappRARAu4oAKCyTRSp1qonK5CNJFXha7JbNKR3vwCeMiqO W9+BR3C8Q+C9dc83Fh2MCmE= =qKFQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 10:56:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9207F16A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:56:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from beyert@cs.ucr.edu) Received: from mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFACB43D53 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:56:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from beyert@cs.ucr.edu) Received: from mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.131]) by mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7KAuZS1015408 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 06:56:35 -0400 Received: from 66-215-246-57.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com (HELO aeonserv.aeonnet) ([66.215.246.57]) by mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2005 06:56:35 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,127,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="1169644741:sNHT240447918" Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 04:00:24 -0700 Message-ID: <87pss8zxdj.wl%beyert@cs.ucr.edu> From: Timothy Beyer To: Ross Kendall Axe In-Reply-To: <43070829.1090204@axe.homelinux.net> References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> <87r7cozzqo.wl%beyert@cs.ucr.edu> <43070829.1090204@axe.homelinux.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 17) (Jumbo Shrimp) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Timothy Beyer , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:56:39 -0000 At Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:38:33 +0100, Ross Kendall Axe wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Timothy Beyer wrote: > > > Actually I have followed tutorials for setting up pkgsrc on Slackware > > in the past and I was quite happy with the system. (trust me, you'd > > have to be insane to use Slackware's package system, it really is that > > bad) > > > > --Tim > > I guess I must be insane then. Seriously, there's nothing terribly > wrong with Slackware's package system. It's simple and reliable, which > is more than can be said for many of the competitors. > Take that comment of mine worth a grain of salt, since I can't say that I've had a lot of experience using Slackware's packages. I just remember when I used to use Slackware it was hard to get some packages working if they came from third parties and required a lot of libraries. Granted, the situation may have changed since then, (or maybe I just wasn't proficient at using the package system) and I don't use Linux often these days, so I can't really say much about that. I will say that I was quite pleased with pkgsrc on Slackware, though. Especially with it's BSD-ish init system. --Tim From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 15:59:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C73116A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:59:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from solskogen@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from mail58-s.fg.online.no (mail58-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0800A43D46 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:59:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from solskogen@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from wish.carebears.net (062249172002.customer.alfanett.no [62.249.172.2]) by mail58.fg.online.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7KFxpCT018242 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:59:52 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:00:50 +0200 From: Christer Solskogen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050820180050.72a0fbd2@wish.carebears.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.13 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:59:55 -0000 On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:02:06 -0500 Nikolas Britton wrote: > Anyone want to port FreeBSD to the Linux kernel? This is what I'm > thinking... > > It would have everything that FreeBSD has: > > *Ports and packages. If you really REALLY *R E A L L Y* want to do this you may want to use NetBSD`s pkgsrc instead. Its already ported to linux. -- cso From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 16:53:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE5116A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:53:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: from opusnet.com (mail.opusnet.com [209.210.200.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D83D43D53 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:53:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: from localhost.localhost [70.98.246.232] by opusnet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A01B1A6C0094; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:53:47 -0700 Received: from localhost.localhost (localhost.localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localhost (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7KGt3OM012181; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:55:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localhost (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7KGsvQW012180; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:54:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) To: Nikolas Britton References: From: garys@opusnet.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:54:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Nikolas Britton's message of "Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:02:06 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.17 (Jumbo Shrimp, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: StarBSD OS and Star OS -- Was: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:53:51 -0000 Nikolas Britton writes: > Anyone want to port FreeBSD to the Linux kernel? This is what I'm thinking... And this is what I'm thinking... I'd like to see a set of mini-distributions which are various combinations of: 1) kernel (*BSDs and, if Nikolas can manage it, Linux :), 2) root file system code (preferably, a selection of those supported by the kernel), 3) an installer which installs the rest of the OS and applications using "pkgsrc" off other CDs (or another part of a DVD) or off the network, etc. There could be choice in the installer if some like GPL and others don't, graphics or text, etc. And if this could be done with "pkgsrc", I suppose it could support multiple package systems. My main motivation is to have all (ha!) of the non-GNU people maintaining the same basic programs and documentation. Competition in the kernel seems to be enevitable and even desirable, but I doubt if anyone cares as much about the other basic OS software, and if they do, they can always have competing packages. Currently, a lot of work is duplicated on the BSD OSes or too-often it just doesn't get done, at least on some BSDs. The main downside (besides too much work until the current BSDs are made obsolete :) is that it would result in a lot of versions even worse than Linux because it would be so easy to create them. Another problem is related to system control scripts. I think that there could be no choice in such system and it would probably use NetBSD's rc.d which is also now FreeBSD's, AFAIK. And the documentation job would be made harder, but there would be more people doing it, eventually, if the many OS versions can share it. And I suspect that there are many more impediments to such a modular OS than I'm aware of, and they're probably already in mailing lists. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 17:56:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D2516A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:56:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D71943D48 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:56:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so763013wra for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:56:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=meBSELodue6hr3exwWIN3EYlUvmn15rbLOVt44izUuV25QkR3RllesZBWql15e2sFY92hm4dzhz2f4gfjyZDkGF2bP9k7MUmm2pWsmhYsqEkRot9XRPjrs2zI35Oi6TfhTimpD2FXLLHNLHa6DznjoKsyWdKhaTOXR8fC52veZM= Received: by 10.54.159.18 with SMTP id h18mr423148wre; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.124.11 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:56:14 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton To: David Richards In-Reply-To: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> Cc: nicklas@dinpris.no, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:56:27 -0000 On 8/20/05, David Richards wrote: > if you want a linux os that acts like freebsd, try debian or gentoo. > They are as close as you are going to get with a freebsdlinux-os > and I think a lot of peopple on here will ignore you or tell you what > they truely think of linux. I don't like Linux (distros) as much as the next guy around these parts of the woods, the whole thing is just a sloppy mess. Debian's development style and community seem to closely match BSDs but the system, and gentoo's, are too different. What defines Berkeley UNIX from SysV style UNIX and Linux?... What makes BSD BSD and SysV SysV. We have the lineage from 4.4BSD-Lite but what else? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 18:59:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2433D16A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:59:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@pilchuck.reedmedia.net) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D6D43D48 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:59:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@pilchuck.reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local (Exim 4.44) id 1E6YYw-0000Az-8e; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:59:26 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: "Gary W. Swearingen" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: "Jeremy C. Reed" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: StarBSD OS and Star OS -- Was: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:59:27 -0000 On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > I'd like to see a set of mini-distributions which are various > combinations of: 1) kernel (*BSDs and, if Nikolas can manage it, > Linux :), 2) root file system code (preferably, a selection of those > supported by the kernel), 3) an installer which installs the rest of > the OS and applications using "pkgsrc" off other CDs (or another part > of a DVD) or off the network, etc. There could be choice in the > installer if some like GPL and others don't, graphics or text, etc. > And if this could be done with "pkgsrc", I suppose it could support > multiple package systems. ... You mention "pkgsrc" -- I use pkgsrc to build entire Linux distributions for a couple years. If someone pkgsrc-izes another libc and another kernel, then it would allow people to pick and choose. (As for now, I use glibc and Linux kernel built and install via pkgsrc for Linux systems.) Jeremy C. Reed BSD News, BSD tutorials, BSD links http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 19:02:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC3316A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:02:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@pilchuck.reedmedia.net) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503B343D45 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:02:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@pilchuck.reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local (Exim 4.44) id 1E6Ybs-0006WM-6Y; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:02:28 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Nikolas Britton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: "Jeremy C. Reed" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:02:28 -0000 On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Nikolas Britton wrote: > What defines Berkeley UNIX from SysV style UNIX and Linux?... What > makes BSD BSD and SysV SysV. We have the lineage from 4.4BSD-Lite but > what else? Licensing. Central development of libraries (like libc) and kernel and more (central per project). Are there any free-to-use tools for testing various standards (tools and functions) and reporting? Jeremy C. Reed BSD News, BSD tutorials, BSD links http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 19:48:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A9216A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:48:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from solskogen@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from mail58-s.fg.online.no (mail58-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90B243D46 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:48:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from solskogen@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from wish.carebears.net (062249172002.customer.alfanett.no [62.249.172.2]) by mail58.fg.online.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7KJmHqS012668 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:48:18 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:49:17 +0200 From: Christer Solskogen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050820214917.27512ea6@wish.carebears.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.13 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: StarBSD OS and Star OS -- Was: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:48:21 -0000 On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:59:26 -0700 (PDT) "Jeremy C. Reed" wrote: > You mention "pkgsrc" -- I use pkgsrc to build entire Linux > distributions for a couple years. hmm? Is that possible? That would be a cool project. Did you use tutorial, or something for that? -- cso, From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 21:18:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11DF16A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:18:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60F643D45 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:18:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so783569wra for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:18:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hbLJq0VLyz61F/J31CZgKiGEbBW0J4RkyWRw03ZoYanm9dRqHcbtqnyRePWRIbbfaoj9MoCz0oRD6WuYnbb7cJn6c31wcuNZg45snVs+Lv5DUIKSbgYgv8MFg4gfqqbT+X2MUIcN89hqP01f8CER3yCrr2DpGDd1yhnUmONAA8Y= Received: by 10.54.6.50 with SMTP id 50mr587601wrf; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.124.11 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:18:47 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton To: "Jeremy C. Reed" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:18:52 -0000 On 8/20/05, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Nikolas Britton wrote: >=20 > > What defines Berkeley UNIX from SysV style UNIX and Linux?... What > > makes BSD BSD and SysV SysV. We have the lineage from 4.4BSD-Lite but > > what else? >=20 > Licensing. >=20 > Central development of libraries (like libc) and kernel and more (central > per project). That's one of the things I really like about the *BSDs. Could we just take the 2.6 kernel and develop it as are own like we do with BIND and Sendmail, fork it? and keep the FreeBSD libs, just port them to the new kernel? >=20 > Are there any free-to-use tools for testing various standards (tools and > functions) and reporting? ? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 21:21:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1CA16A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:21:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: from opusnet.com (mail.opusnet.com [209.210.200.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F66E43D46 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:21:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: from localhost.localhost [70.98.246.232] by opusnet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id AEBB36D70020; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:20:59 -0700 Received: from localhost.localhost (localhost.localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localhost (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7KLMGLi016067; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localhost (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7KLMBgM016066; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) To: "Jeremy C. Reed" References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> From: garys@opusnet.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:22:11 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Jeremy C. Reed's message of "Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.17 (Jumbo Shrimp, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:21:01 -0000 "Jeremy C. Reed" writes: > Are there any free-to-use tools for testing various standards (tools > and functions) and reporting? The Open Group is involved in testing Linux (sounds like API-level). Their server is currently not serving much, but some info is at http://www.linuxbase.org/test/ "The test framework architecture utilizes the Open Group's Test Environment Toolkit and the VSXgen framework." From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 21:26:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD6916A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:26:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from db@db.net) Received: from heceta.db.net (heceta.db.net [142.46.199.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD60743D46 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:26:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from db@db.net) Received: from heceta.db.net ([142.46.199.182] helo=localhost ident=mailnull) by heceta.db.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 4.8) id 1E6asW-000AZ8-C3; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:27:48 -0400 Received: from localhost.dbn ([127.0.0.1] helo=night.db.net) by night.db.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52 (FreeBSD)) id 1E6ase-0000mb-92; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:27:56 -0400 Received: (from db@localhost) by night.db.net (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j7KLRjNK003012; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from db@night.dbn) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:27:45 -0400 From: Diane Bruce To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20050820212745.GA2998@night.db.net> References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:26:51 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 04:18:47PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 8/20/05, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Nikolas Britton wrote: ... > That's one of the things I really like about the *BSDs. Could we just > take the 2.6 kernel and develop it as are own like we do with BIND and > Sendmail, fork it? and keep the FreeBSD libs, just port them to the > new kernel? If you use non GPL as much as possible, I would love to see it. I would also love to see the screaming from RMS. ah yes. priceless. -- - Diane Bruce db@db.net Don't use html e-mail http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 22:02:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FDE16A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:02:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from beyert@cs.ucr.edu) Received: from mxsf42.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf42.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D20C43D7C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:02:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from beyert@cs.ucr.edu) Received: from mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.131]) by mxsf42.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7KM2fq2028061 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:02:41 -0400 Received: from 66-215-246-57.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com (HELO aeonserv.aeonnet) ([66.215.246.57]) by mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2005 18:02:41 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,128,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="1171473556:sNHT30850172" Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:06:32 -0700 Message-ID: <87oe7sz2jb.wl%beyert@cs.ucr.edu> From: Timothy Beyer To: Nikolas Britton In-Reply-To: References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 17) (Jumbo Shrimp) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:02:50 -0000 At Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:18:47 -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > On 8/20/05, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > > > > What defines Berkeley UNIX from SysV style UNIX and Linux?... What > > > makes BSD BSD and SysV SysV. We have the lineage from 4.4BSD-Lite but > > > what else? > > > > Licensing. > > > > Central development of libraries (like libc) and kernel and more (central > > per project). > > That's one of the things I really like about the *BSDs. Could we just > take the 2.6 kernel and develop it as are own like we do with BIND and > Sendmail, fork it? and keep the FreeBSD libs, just port them to the > new kernel? I don't really see the point in this. I can't think of any reason to do this other than to have application compatibility with games and Cedega. (in which case, you might as well make a stable wine distribution instead) If you made such drastic modifications to Linux, I think it would take a lot of code to get most applications working again, and the result would be really messy. Not to mention trying to figure out which lines of code were BSD licensed and which were GPL licensed. The MirBSD/Linux project does something like this, but based on what I've discussed with the author, it isn't necessarily going to run most applications. Quoted from his page "purely as a quick and weird idea, qua the absolute contrary of Debian GNU/NetBSD." --Tim From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 22:43:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2E916A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:43:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1089943D45 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:43:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so789942wra for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:43:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tr8QFfPJqGywfiogzxnPxCA4WhpaePgW8J35i9IsJZRw2EkxVeyIcMx5vsxQCGSdrkUpUFdbc2SWR4aFOI+ZG5kqmMcNtW81s3KLPBq9+Yp/PLpIdrjrlvR7wCAxE3gD9POE/E1OyZrW7fuyTEJmd8mm47OSZh63ui26Nr0pYiM= Received: by 10.54.14.21 with SMTP id 21mr611354wrn; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.124.11 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:43:24 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton To: Diane Bruce In-Reply-To: <20050820212745.GA2998@night.db.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> <20050820212745.GA2998@night.db.net> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:43:29 -0000 On 8/20/05, Diane Bruce wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 04:18:47PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > On 8/20/05, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > > On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Nikolas Britton wrote: > ... > > That's one of the things I really like about the *BSDs. Could we just > > take the 2.6 kernel and develop it as are own like we do with BIND and > > Sendmail, fork it? and keep the FreeBSD libs, just port them to the > > new kernel? >=20 > If you use non GPL as much as possible, I would love to see it. > I would also love to see the screaming from RMS. ah yes. priceless. If I where doing it I would probably mandate all new code be under a BSD or MIT Licence (or Public Domain etc.) before commit. I'm not a big fan of the GPL because it has too many restrictions, the LGPL is much better but BSD and MIT are the best. And yea I think RMS would be screaming if all the BSD tools where ported to Linux, everyone may want to use are tool set because of it's unencumbered and engineered (as a set) nature. How much code in FreeBSD is GPL, anyone know? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 23:02:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0158116A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:02:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dkelly@HiWAAY.net) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F37B43D45 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:02:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dkelly@HiWAAY.net) Received: (qmail 28636 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2005 23:02:12 -0000 Received: from user-69-73-60-132.knology.net (HELO ?10.0.0.6?) (69.73.60.132) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 23:02:12 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> <20050820212745.GA2998@night.db.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1515C667-4333-4147-BA3E-E04C2ED8382A@HiWAAY.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:02:08 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:02:14 -0000 While we're at it in addition to FreeBSD runtime stuff why don't we also port the FreeBSD kernel to Linux? With a FreeBSD kernel on Linux wouldn't it be much easier to port the FreeBSD runtime stuff? :-) Could be as simple as removing Beastie and replacing him with Tux. We'll just change our name to Linux. I don't like it at all. Then again I don't suffer from Linux-envy but thought it was time to knock some back to reality. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 23:14:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F98D16A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:14:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from db@db.net) Received: from heceta.db.net (heceta.db.net [142.46.199.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD68343D46 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:14:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from db@db.net) Received: from heceta.db.net ([142.46.199.182] helo=localhost ident=mailnull) by heceta.db.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 4.8) id 1E6cYz-000Au7-Iq; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:15:45 -0400 Received: from localhost.dbn ([127.0.0.1] helo=night.db.net) by night.db.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52 (FreeBSD)) id 1E6cZ7-00013L-KA; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:15:53 -0400 Received: (from db@localhost) by night.db.net (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j7KNFnrt004050; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:15:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from db@night.dbn) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:15:49 -0400 From: Diane Bruce To: David Kelly Message-ID: <20050820231549.GB3909@night.db.net> References: <4306EAB7.4090001@skyforge.net> <20050820212745.GA2998@night.db.net> <1515C667-4333-4147-BA3E-E04C2ED8382A@HiWAAY.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1515C667-4333-4147-BA3E-E04C2ED8382A@HiWAAY.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDLinux OS X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:14:44 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 06:02:08PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > While we're at it in addition to FreeBSD runtime stuff why don't we > also port the FreeBSD kernel to Linux? I personally can't be bothered wasting my time putting a bsd userland on top of a linux kernel, but I would like to see RMS scream. There goes his claim to "Gnu/linux", as Linus himself last I read, was indifferent to the license. -- - Diane Bruce db@db.net Don't use html e-mail http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html