From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 13:19:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF72816A41F; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:19:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from for.bounces@dun.ukr.net) Received: from dun.ukr.net (dun.ukr.net [212.42.67.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9372643D53; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:19:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from for.bounces@dun.ukr.net) Received: from sharun by dun.ukr.net with local ID 1E4ery-000IMf-Il ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:19:14 +0300 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:19:14 +0300 From: Vladimir Sharun To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050815131914.GV52891@dun.ukr.net> Mail-Followup-To: Vladimir Sharun , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: RELENG_6/i386/SMP NFS locking behavior X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vladimir Sharun List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:19:16 -0000 2 weeks ago we switch our mx'es to 6.0-beta(1/2) and nfs locking test tool hang in uninterruptbl state: ps axc shows state "D". Without rpcbind/rpc.statd/rpc.lockd tool receives correct errno 45 EOPNOTSUPP Operation not supported. Tool src (sniffed from @freebsd.org ML's): ==========8<============================================ #include #include #include int main() { int lockfd; char* tempfile="/nfs/mount/testfile"; lockfd=open(tempfile,O_CREAT); printf("Open errno: %d\n",errno); if (flock(lockfd, LOCK_SH|LOCK_NB)==-1) { printf("ERROR shared lock: %d\n",errno); } if (flock(lockfd, LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB)==-1) { printf("ERROR exclusive lock: %d\n",errno); } close(lockfd); } ==========8<============================================ From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 15 19:28:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A571D16A41F for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:28:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rick@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca) Received: from moe.cs.uoguelph.ca (moe.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.96.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438F943D45 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:28:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rick@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca) Received: from snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca [131.104.48.1]) by moe.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7FJSpbV013769; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:28:51 -0400 Received: (from rick@localhost) by snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA79366; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: rick@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca Message-Id: <200508151929.PAA79366@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca> To: fs@freebsd.org X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 Cc: openbsd-nfsv4@sfobug.org Subject: FreeBSD4.11 port X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:28:53 -0000 There is now a FreeBSD4.11 port of my NFSv2,3,4 server available from the ftp site ftp.cis.uoguelph.ca, anonymous ftpable in pub/nfsv4. Just look for the files with FreeBSD4.11 in the names. I've also updated the doc.tar.gz file, in case that might be useful. rick From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 01:53:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015A016A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:53:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.76.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F01243D45; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:53:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([66.30.115.133]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005081901532801400k37i0e>; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:53:28 +0000 Received: from c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (localhost.127.in-addr.arpa [127.0.0.1]) by c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7J1rRIF007639; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:53:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rodrigc@c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Received: (from rodrigc@localhost) by c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id j7J1rRUn007638; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:53:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rodrigc) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:53:27 -0400 From: Craig Rodrigues To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:53:53 -0000 Hi, On behalf of the XFS for FreeBSD project, I would like to announce a new snapshot which you can download and try. The snapshot is available here: http://people.freebsd.org/~rodrigc/xfs/ NOTES: - works only with latest FreeBSD-CURRENT and FreeBSD-6 kernels - read-only access to XFS partitions only - highly experimental and not finished yet, this is a work in progress - do not use for production work NEW THINGS: - several kernel panics fixed - preliminary support for reading extended attributes - xfsprogs in ports ( sysutils/xfsprogs ), needed for mkfs.xfs The XFS for FreeBSD project is porting the SGI XFS filesystem to FreeBSD, based on publically available GPL'd sources of SGI's XFS for Linux. The XFS for FreeBSD project is not affiliated with SGI, and SGI should not be contacted with bug reports regarding XFS for FreeBSD. Many thanks to Russell Cattelan and Alexander Kabaev for their work on this project. We would appreciate your feedback and bug reports. -- Craig Rodrigues rodrigc@crodrigues.org From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 01:55:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A51516A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:55:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh1.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88B843D45; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:55:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [192.168.42.23] (andersonbox3.centtech.com [192.168.42.23]) by mh1.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7J1trnm048395; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:55:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <43053C3A.2090500@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:56:10 -0500 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050815 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Rodrigues References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> In-Reply-To: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.82/1034/Thu Aug 18 15:07:58 2005 on mh1.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:55:57 -0000 Craig Rodrigues wrote: > Hi, > > On behalf of the XFS for FreeBSD project, I would > like to announce a new snapshot which you can download > and try. The snapshot is available here: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rodrigc/xfs/ > > NOTES: > - works only with latest FreeBSD-CURRENT and FreeBSD-6 kernels > - read-only access to XFS partitions only > - highly experimental and not finished yet, this is a work in progress > - do not use for production work > > NEW THINGS: > - several kernel panics fixed > - preliminary support for reading extended attributes > - xfsprogs in ports ( sysutils/xfsprogs ), needed for mkfs.xfs > > The XFS for FreeBSD project is porting the SGI XFS filesystem > to FreeBSD, based on publically available GPL'd sources of > SGI's XFS for Linux. The XFS for FreeBSD project is not > affiliated with SGI, and SGI should not be contacted with > bug reports regarding XFS for FreeBSD. > > Many thanks to Russell Cattelan and Alexander Kabaev for their work > on this project. > > We would appreciate your feedback and bug reports. > Is read/write support in the plans for the future? Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 02:03:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AAE16A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:03:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F3043D45; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:03:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([66.30.115.133]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005081902031201300oictle>; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:03:13 +0000 Received: from c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (localhost.127.in-addr.arpa [127.0.0.1]) by c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7J23CvM007751; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:03:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rodrigc@c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Received: (from rodrigc@localhost) by c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id j7J23BO9007750; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:03:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rodrigc) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:03:11 -0400 From: Craig Rodrigues To: Eric Anderson Message-ID: <20050819020311.GA7708@crodrigues.org> References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> <43053C3A.2090500@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43053C3A.2090500@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:03:14 -0000 On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 08:56:10PM -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: > Craig Rodrigues wrote: > >Hi, > > > >On behalf of the XFS for FreeBSD project, I would > >like to announce a new snapshot which you can download > >and try. > > Is read/write support in the plans for the future? Eventually yes, but no promise on when, since this is an all-volunteer project that we are doing in our spare time. :) -- Craig Rodrigues rodrigc@crodrigues.org From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 02:05:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B7116A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:05:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh1.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC78943D48; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:05:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [192.168.42.23] (andersonbox3.centtech.com [192.168.42.23]) by mh1.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7J259q2048591; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:05:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <43053E66.3090101@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:05:26 -0500 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050815 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Rodrigues References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> <43053C3A.2090500@centtech.com> <20050819020311.GA7708@crodrigues.org> In-Reply-To: <20050819020311.GA7708@crodrigues.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.82/1034/Thu Aug 18 15:07:58 2005 on mh1.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:05:11 -0000 Craig Rodrigues wrote: > On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 08:56:10PM -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: > >>Craig Rodrigues wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>On behalf of the XFS for FreeBSD project, I would >>>like to announce a new snapshot which you can download >>>and try. >> >>Is read/write support in the plans for the future? > > > Eventually yes, but no promise on when, since > this is an all-volunteer project that we are doing > in our spare time. :) > Understood :) Doing a great job too, thanks for putting in the effort. I think it's important for FreeBSD to have a handful of filesystems to choose from, and this is a fantastic first step. I'll download and play with it. Thanks! Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 07:49:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5992616A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:49:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF46543D45; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:49:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0D560F8; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:48:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3736160F7; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:48:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AEDA733D44; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:49:03 +0200 (CEST) To: Craig Rodrigues References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:49:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> (Craig Rodrigues's message of "Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:53:27 -0400") Message-ID: <86fyt6gyds.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Learn: ham X-Spam-Score: -5.2/5.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on tim.des.no Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:49:12 -0000 Craig Rodrigues writes: > On behalf of the XFS for FreeBSD project, I would like to announce a > new snapshot which you can download and try. [...] Any particular reason why you don't simply commit it? DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 09:42:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A8A16A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:42:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from delight.idiom.com (delight.idiom.com [216.240.32.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DFA43D46; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:42:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by delight.idiom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EC06F8A; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (home.elischer.org [216.240.48.38]) by idiom.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7J9g1NU008994; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Message-ID: <4305A969.7030003@elischer.org> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:42:01 -0700 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050424 X-Accept-Language: en, hu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, yar@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: HFS/HFS Plus driver and tools for 5.x are available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:42:02 -0000 Some time ago an email of this subject went past refering to a previous email that said that HFS+ was available but not givong a pointer.. is it still around? From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 09:53:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C8816A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:53:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from delight.idiom.com (delight.idiom.com [216.240.32.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF1B43D46; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:53:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by delight.idiom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B55821BC41; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (home.elischer.org [216.240.48.38]) by idiom.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7J9rDYo019451; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:53:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Message-ID: <4305AC08.2010000@elischer.org> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:53:12 -0700 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050424 X-Accept-Language: en, hu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer References: <4305A969.7030003@elischer.org> In-Reply-To: <4305A969.7030003@elischer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, yar@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HFS/HFS Plus driver and tools for 5.x are available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:53:22 -0000 Julian Elischer wrote: > Some time ago an email of this subject went past refering to a previous > email > that said that HFS+ was available but not givong a pointer.. > > is it still around? don't worry, found it.. http://people.freebsd.org/~yar/hfs/hfs-freebsd-03p2.tar.gz I can read my Mac's backup drive from freebsd. YAY (My wife took the ibook with her on vacation) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 12:03:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698B316A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:03:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE2E43D66; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:03:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([66.30.115.133]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005081912031301400k39g0e>; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:03:13 +0000 Received: from c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (localhost.127.in-addr.arpa [127.0.0.1]) by c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JC39ku010577; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:03:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rodrigc@c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Received: (from rodrigc@localhost) by c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id j7JC39xL010576; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:03:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rodrigc) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:03:09 -0400 From: Craig Rodrigues To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20050819120309.GA10568@crodrigues.org> References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> <86fyt6gyds.fsf@xps.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86fyt6gyds.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:03:21 -0000 On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:49:03AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > Craig Rodrigues writes: > > On behalf of the XFS for FreeBSD project, I would like to announce a > > new snapshot which you can download and try. [...] > > Any particular reason why you don't simply commit it? We're not ready yet. We need to go through more testing, more feedback from users, and add more functionality (write support). -- Craig Rodrigues rodrigc@crodrigues.org From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 12:09:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C7B16A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:09:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from postfix4-1.free.fr (postfix4-1.free.fr [213.228.0.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4F343D45; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:09:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (vol75-8-82-233-239-98.fbx.proxad.net [82.233.239.98]) by postfix4-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB32319D27; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:09:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CE28A405A; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:10:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:10:13 +0200 From: Jeremie Le Hen To: Craig Rodrigues Message-ID: <20050819121013.GA659@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> <86fyt6gyds.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050819120309.GA10568@crodrigues.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050819120309.GA10568@crodrigues.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:09:45 -0000 Hi Craig, > We're not ready yet. We need to go through more testing, more > feedback from users, and add more functionality (write support). Thanks. Note that only RO support doesn't prevent it from being commited. IIRC, ReiserFS and NTFS are read-only too. Regards, -- Jeremie Le Hen < jeremie at le-hen dot org >< ttz at chchile dot org > From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 12:15:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB2F16A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:15:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAAD43D46; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:15:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E89617E; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:15:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30616147; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:15:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 83F2A33D44; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:15:43 +0200 (CEST) To: Craig Rodrigues References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> <86fyt6gyds.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050819120309.GA10568@crodrigues.org> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:15:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20050819120309.GA10568@crodrigues.org> (Craig Rodrigues's message of "Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:03:09 -0400") Message-ID: <86vf22dswg.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Learn: ham X-Spam-Score: -5.2/5.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on tim.des.no Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:15:49 -0000 Craig Rodrigues writes: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:49:03AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > > Any particular reason why you don't simply commit it? > We're not ready yet. We need to go through more testing, more > feedback from users, and add more functionality (write support). You'll get more feedback if the code is in the tree, and there is precedent for committing filessystems without write support. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 12:57:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2BB16A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:57:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh1.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345E443D46; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:57:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by mh1.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JCvLFH059618; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:57:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <4305D743.8090302@centtech.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:57:39 -0500 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050815 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Rodrigues References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> In-Reply-To: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.82/1034/Thu Aug 18 15:07:58 2005 on mh1.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:57:33 -0000 Craig Rodrigues wrote: > Hi, > > On behalf of the XFS for FreeBSD project, I would > like to announce a new snapshot which you can download > and try. The snapshot is available here: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rodrigc/xfs/ > > NOTES: > - works only with latest FreeBSD-CURRENT and FreeBSD-6 kernels > - read-only access to XFS partitions only > - highly experimental and not finished yet, this is a work in progress > - do not use for production work > > NEW THINGS: > - several kernel panics fixed > - preliminary support for reading extended attributes > - xfsprogs in ports ( sysutils/xfsprogs ), needed for mkfs.xfs > > The XFS for FreeBSD project is porting the SGI XFS filesystem > to FreeBSD, based on publically available GPL'd sources of > SGI's XFS for Linux. The XFS for FreeBSD project is not > affiliated with SGI, and SGI should not be contacted with > bug reports regarding XFS for FreeBSD. > > Many thanks to Russell Cattelan and Alexander Kabaev for their work > on this project. > > We would appreciate your feedback and bug reports. > Been working great so far, although I have to say I am not fully utilizing it. Good work! Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 13:01:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845C516A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:01:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sobomax@portaone.com) Received: from www.portaone.com (support.portaone.com [195.70.151.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF30D43D46; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:01:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sobomax@portaone.com) Received: from [192.168.0.49] (lesnik.portaone.com [195.140.246.50] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by www.portaone.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7JD0hEF095867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:00:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sobomax@portaone.com) Message-ID: <4305D7FA.2070900@portaone.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:00:42 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Porta Software Ltd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> <86fyt6gyds.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050819120309.GA10568@crodrigues.org> <86vf22dswg.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86vf22dswg.fsf@xps.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on www.portaone.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on www.portaone.com Cc: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Maxim.Sobolev@portaone.com List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:01:07 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Craig Rodrigues writes: > >>On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:49:03AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: >> >>>Any particular reason why you don't simply commit it? >> >>We're not ready yet. We need to go through more testing, more >>feedback from users, and add more functionality (write support). > > > You'll get more feedback if the code is in the tree, and there is > precedent for committing filessystems without write support. Seconded. Having it in the tree will warrant that much more eyes will be looking on it, both from the user's PoV and from developer's PoV. -Maxim From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 14:37:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C489716A41F; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:37:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B3643D45; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:37:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([66.30.115.133]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005081914374601400hao1te>; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:37:47 +0000 Received: from c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (localhost.127.in-addr.arpa [127.0.0.1]) by c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7JEbg23011426; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:37:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rodrigc@c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Received: (from rodrigc@localhost) by c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id j7JEbgUo011425; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:37:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rodrigc) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:37:41 -0400 From: Craig Rodrigues To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050819143741.GA11399@crodrigues.org> References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> <86fyt6gyds.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050819120309.GA10568@crodrigues.org> <86vf22dswg.fsf@xps.des.no> <4305D7FA.2070900@portaone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4305D7FA.2070900@portaone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:37:48 -0000 On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 04:00:42PM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > >You'll get more feedback if the code is in the tree, and there is > >precedent for committing filessystems without write support. While I understand that this has been done for other filesystems, I am not going to put XFS into the FreeBSD tree until I feel that it is ready. The source code and patches are available for people to try, so just because something is not in the tree, it does not preclude interested developers and users from trying it out and providing feedback/patches. Thanks. -- Craig Rodrigues rodrigc@crodrigues.org From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 05:24:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5EC16A41F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:24:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrew@starfishzone.com) Received: from mail.starfishzone.com (mail.starfishzone.com [81.187.184.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA6D43D45 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:24:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrew@starfishzone.com) Received: (qmail 29752 invoked by uid 1013); 20 Aug 2005 05:24:09 -0000 Received: from 81.2.81.105 by linckia.starfishzone.com (envelope-from , uid 88) with qmail-scanner-1.25 (clamdscan: 0.86.2/1034. Clear:RC:1(81.2.81.105):. Processed in 0.229287 secs); 20 Aug 2005 05:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moray.starfishzone.com) (andrew.liles@starfishzone.com@81.2.81.105) by 0 with (RC4-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 05:24:08 -0000 Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20050820061711.03b530d0@mail.starfishzone.com> X-Sender: andrew.liles@starfishzone.com@mail.starfishzone.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 06:23:51 +0100 To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org From: Andrew Liles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Panic "softdep_move_dependencies: need merge code" X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:24:16 -0000 I have a Highpoint RocketRAID 454 card configured for RAID5 with 4 discs (driver is hpt374.ko) on FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE. I have had a history of panics that I think emanate from the filesystem and I have far more physical failures of the discs than one might expect (I suspect heat damage due to poor ventilation). Having built myself a debug kernel I was able to pinpoint the following in 3 recent panics that occurred within a few days of each other. Around this time I found that another disc has died on me. In all cases I believe the panics occur under periods of intense disc activity; e.g. copy many files from one area to another, or running big meta-data updates like chmod -R and chgrp -R. This the instruction that calls the panic: #14 0xc0776904 in softdep_move_dependencies (oldbp=0xcd0d9c20, newbp=0xcd0c0838) at ../../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:800 800 panic("softdep_move_dependencies: need merge code"); I have read this post: http://tinyurl.com/c3fpj a) Is it reasonable to assume that my panics are exactly because I have suffered physical disc problems/ b) shouldn't my external RAID5 have insulated me from such issues? c) might there be some incompatibility with Soft Updates and this particular RAID5 implementation? I am happy to forego the benefits of SoftUpdates if I can then have a stable machine. What would you recommend? Andrew Liles From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 07:51:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364A816A41F; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:51:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jd@ugcs.caltech.edu) Received: from vomit.ugcs.caltech.edu (vomit.ugcs.caltech.edu [131.215.176.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CE743D46; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:51:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jd@ugcs.caltech.edu) Received: by vomit.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix, from userid 3640) id 77125E816; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vomit.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE80E815; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Dama To: Craig Rodrigues In-Reply-To: <20050819143741.GA11399@crodrigues.org> Message-ID: References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> <86fyt6gyds.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050819120309.GA10568@crodrigues.org> <86vf22dswg.fsf@xps.des.no> <4305D7FA.2070900@portaone.com> <20050819143741.GA11399@crodrigues.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:51:58 -0000 I'd just like to say, I'm really glad to see this work going on. On another note though (and I don't claim this applies in this case), the gradual adoption of the practice by various developers to squirl away changes to FreeBSD in their private repositories is responsible for a substantial loss in quality in the subsequent releases. I realize a less active -current is easier on developers--I ran 5.0-current throughout much of its life-- -current become down right pedestrian most of the time. Changes need more eyeballs + users at incremental stages than current development practices seem to enable. Yes it is more work to make a series of chuncked commits to -current but the reward is early detection of mistakes, clear intermediate states to revert to and rethink, and better feedback from the rest of the community. I think -core needs to step-up and re-evaluate the perforce approach. Is it really better? On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 04:00:42PM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > >You'll get more feedback if the code is in the tree, and there is > > >precedent for committing filessystems without write support. > > While I understand that this has been done for other filesystems, > I am not going to put XFS into the FreeBSD tree until I feel > that it is ready. The source code and patches are available > for people to try, so just because something is not in the tree, > it does not preclude interested developers and users from > trying it out and providing feedback/patches. > > Thanks. > > -- > Craig Rodrigues > rodrigc@crodrigues.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 08:36:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B33C16A420; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:36:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422D543D46; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:36:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 41F332A34; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:36:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:36:56 -0500 To: Jon Dama Message-ID: <20050820083656.GA27704@soaustin.net> References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> <86fyt6gyds.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050819120309.GA10568@crodrigues.org> <86vf22dswg.fsf@xps.des.no> <4305D7FA.2070900@portaone.com> <20050819143741.GA11399@crodrigues.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:36:57 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 12:51:55AM -0700, Jon Dama wrote: > On another note though (and I don't claim this applies in this case), the > gradual adoption of the practice by various developers to squirrel away > changes to FreeBSD in their private repositories is responsible for a > substantial loss in quality in the subsequent releases. There is always a continual tension between releasing things that really aren't ready for wide distribution yet, and and keeping new functionality isolated. This is true of any software artifact, not just FreeBSD. The fact is that some people will assume that if something is in the main tree, that it has achieved some degree of stability. Is it fair of them to do so? You decide. mcl From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 15:31:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3B016A420; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:31:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pjd@garage.freebsd.pl) Received: from mail.garage.freebsd.pl (arm132.internetdsl.tpnet.pl [83.17.198.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0897D43D49; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:31:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pjd@garage.freebsd.pl) Received: by mail.garage.freebsd.pl (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4745D52C3F; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dkd118.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.24.7.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.garage.freebsd.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA2052BC4; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:31:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:30:56 +0200 From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek To: Craig Rodrigues Message-ID: <20050820153055.GA751@garage.freebsd.pl> References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> <86fyt6gyds.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050819120309.GA10568@crodrigues.org> <86vf22dswg.fsf@xps.des.no> <4305D7FA.2070900@portaone.com> <20050819143741.GA11399@crodrigues.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050819143741.GA11399@crodrigues.org> X-PGP-Key-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~pjd/pjd.asc X-OS: FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: mutt-ng devel (FreeBSD) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.garage.freebsd.pl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.4 Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:31:23 -0000 --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 10:37:41AM -0400, Craig Rodrigues wrote: +> On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 04:00:42PM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote: +> > >You'll get more feedback if the code is in the tree, and there is +> > >precedent for committing filessystems without write support. +>=20 +> While I understand that this has been done for other filesystems, +> I am not going to put XFS into the FreeBSD tree until I feel +> that it is ready. The source code and patches are available +> for people to try, so just because something is not in the tree, +> it does not preclude interested developers and users from +> trying it out and providing feedback/patches. The truth is, that when it is the tree, it is much easier to try. AFAIR, there was no feedback when kan@ had posted last snapshot. I fully understand that it is not ready yet for committing, but when you start to fell read-only support is ready, don't wait for the full read-write support and allow to commit it. Then you can work on r/w support in peace and (in parallel) enjoy feedback from users:) --=20 Pawel Jakub Dawidek http://www.wheel.pl pjd@FreeBSD.org http://www.FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer Am I Evil? Yes, I Am! --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDB0yvForvXbEpPzQRAr0FAKD0nTFKHBGy6jFrAlG2/lNw/UDSlACg5vPu MWOk+K3xBFbsPCItE0+k2j4= =eI0/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/-- From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 15:51:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC16C16A420; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:51:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AAC43D5A; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:51:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([66.30.115.133]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005082015512501300ohdcoe>; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:51:26 +0000 Received: from c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (localhost.127.in-addr.arpa [127.0.0.1]) by c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7KFpIhW023766; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:51:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rodrigc@c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Received: (from rodrigc@localhost) by c-66-30-115-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id j7KFpIeK023765; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:51:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rodrigc) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:51:17 -0400 From: Craig Rodrigues To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050820155117.GA23747@crodrigues.org> References: <20050819015327.GA7627@crodrigues.org> <86fyt6gyds.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050819120309.GA10568@crodrigues.org> <86vf22dswg.fsf@xps.des.no> <4305D7FA.2070900@portaone.com> <20050819143741.GA11399@crodrigues.org> <20050820153055.GA751@garage.freebsd.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050820153055.GA751@garage.freebsd.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFS for FreeBSD, new snapshot available X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:51:30 -0000 On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 05:30:56PM +0200, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: > The truth is, that when it is the tree, it is much easier to try. It is easier to try, but not impossible to tree. Also, I am distributing source, not binary snapshots, so the source code is available for people to look at as well. > AFAIR, there was no feedback when kan@ had posted last snapshot. Actually kan did get feedback from users when he posted his last snapshot, and I did get feedback from users now. Not everything has to be in the tree for people to try and provide feedback. There are other projects, such as KAME ( http://www.kame.net ) and TrustedBSD ( http://www.trustedbsd.org ) who contribute things periodically to FreeBSD, but do work outside the FreeBSD tree, so it's not like this has not been done before. So, like I said before, this stuff will get into the tree, just not now. I hope I get more feedback from users who actually try this stuff, rather than non-useful feedback from people who basically will not try this stuff unless it is in the tree. -- Craig Rodrigues rodrigc@crodrigues.org