From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 16 05:46:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD9816A41F; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 05:46:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B2C43D48; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 05:46:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.34] (cpe-66-75-60-23.san.res.rr.com [66.75.60.23]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7227820068A3; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:46:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4350CE50.8080704@ebs.gr> References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051015053003.GB28137@soaustin.net> <4350CE50.8080704@ebs.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Wes Peters Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:46:16 -0700 To: Panagiotis Astithas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:58:27 +0000 Cc: tux@pinguru.net, wes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 05:46:20 -0000 On Oct 15, 2005, at 2:39 AM, Panagiotis Astithas wrote: > Mark Linimon wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:15:07PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: >> >>> I don't mind moving the eclipse ports from java to devel, but all >>> the other eclipse ports are add-ins to eclipse and should >>> probably be classified along with eclipse. >>> >> [adding freebsd-java to the Cc:] >> For some background, there's been on-and-off discussion on -java >> about how the java category was never really a good idea. None of >> the other languages have their own primary category. In particular >> we've completely failed to train our users to send 'java' PRs only >> for problems with the JVMs and 'ports' PRs for things in ports/java. >> >>> In particular, if eclipse is a 'devel' tool, I don't see how CDT >>> and phpeclipse are editors. GEF isn't a graphics library, it's >>> a graphical emulation framework for eclipse, which is (again) a >>> development tool. > > Although I agree with everything you say here, I can't see how this > is an argument against the fact that GEF and CDT most probably > belong to devel. Unless I'm mistaken and you were not making one? I was making an argument that regardless of where eclipse migrates too, all of it's little pieces should go right along with it, rather than getting spread all over the ports system. > Regarding the splitting of devel and www categories, perhaps we > should wait until the port tree migrates to subversion (yeah, > right :-))? Or hell freezes over, whichever happens first? -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 16 05:57:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA5E16A41F; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 05:57:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9197E43D46; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 05:57:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 197DF2F80; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:57:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:57:29 -0500 To: Wes Peters Message-ID: <20051016055729.GA10933@soaustin.net> References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051015053003.GB28137@soaustin.net> <4350CE50.8080704@ebs.gr> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:58:27 +0000 Cc: tux@pinguru.net, wes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 05:57:30 -0000 On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 10:46:16PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > >Regarding the splitting of devel and www categories, perhaps we > >should wait until the port tree migrates to subversion (yeah, > >right :-))? > > Or hell freezes over, whichever happens first? /me does a poll to see how many people want to do 500-1000 repocopies. Hands? Anyone? mcl From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 16 10:20:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967D016A420; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:20:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6071743D46; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:20:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9GAKX9V033767; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:20:33 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.200] (pptp.ebs.gr [10.1.1.200]) by ebs.gr (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j9GAKY4e020921; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:20:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Message-ID: <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:20:03 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051008) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wes Peters References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051015053003.GB28137@soaustin.net> <4350CE50.8080704@ebs.gr> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> In-Reply-To: <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:58:27 +0000 Cc: tux@pinguru.net, wes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:20:40 -0000 Wes Peters wrote: > > On Oct 15, 2005, at 2:39 AM, Panagiotis Astithas wrote: > >> Mark Linimon wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:15:07PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: >>> >>>> I don't mind moving the eclipse ports from java to devel, but all >>>> the other eclipse ports are add-ins to eclipse and should probably >>>> be classified along with eclipse. >>>> >>> [adding freebsd-java to the Cc:] >>> For some background, there's been on-and-off discussion on -java >>> about how the java category was never really a good idea. None of >>> the other languages have their own primary category. In particular >>> we've completely failed to train our users to send 'java' PRs only >>> for problems with the JVMs and 'ports' PRs for things in ports/java. >>> >>>> In particular, if eclipse is a 'devel' tool, I don't see how CDT >>>> and phpeclipse are editors. GEF isn't a graphics library, it's a >>>> graphical emulation framework for eclipse, which is (again) a >>>> development tool. >> >> >> Although I agree with everything you say here, I can't see how this >> is an argument against the fact that GEF and CDT most probably belong >> to devel. Unless I'm mistaken and you were not making one? > > > I was making an argument that regardless of where eclipse migrates too, > all of it's little pieces should go right along with it, rather than > getting spread all over the ports system. Since you snipped Mark's reply in your quote, let me clarify that my comments above were directed to Mark and I agree with your point. However I'm not sure whether there has to be a strict rule that every eclipse-foo port should go in the same category. Perhaps the emacs precedent should be followed. See below. Norikatsu Shigemura wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:14:59 +0900 (JST) > Norikatsu Shigemura wrote: > >>Hi eclipse and eclipse related ports maintainers and users! >> Some time ago, someone suggested that eclipse and eclipse >> related ports should be located on proper categories. I >> think so. So I suggest following repocopy list. Anyone, >> do you have any idea? > > > Oops, I missed. Eclipse is very similar to Emacs: > 1. IDE > Emacs is a one of IDE(or platform). And anyone doesn't > think that it is ONLY a elisp interpreter. But it is > a editor. So I think that it is no problem that Eclipse > may be categolize to editors. > > 2. Extension-able > Emacs has many extention modules like news reader, language > support, games, ... > > 3. Mode > Emacs has many mode for descriptions like C, Perl, Java, ... > > 4. others > It must be that there are other similar feature:-). > > java/eclipse -> editors/eclipse > java/eclipse-EPIC -> editors/eclipse-EPIC > java/eclipse-cdt -> editors/eclipse-cdt > java/eclipse-checkstyle -> devel/eclipse-checkstyle > java/eclipse-clay-core -> databases/eclipse-clay-core > java/eclipse-devel -> editors/eclipse-devel > java/eclipse-emf -> editors/eclipse-emf > java/eclipse-examples -> devel/eclipse-examples > java/eclipse-gef -> editors/eclipse-gef > java/eclipse-gef-examples -> editors/eclipse-gef-examples > java/eclipse-langpack -> editors/eclipse-langpack > java/eclipse-log4e -> editors/eclipse-log4e > java/eclipse-lomboz -> devel/eclipse-lomboz > java/eclipse-pmd -> devel/eclipse-pmd > java/eclipse-quantum -> databases/eclipse-quantum > java/eclipse-sqlexplorer -> databases/eclipse-sqlexplorer > java/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat -> www/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat > java/eclipse-uml -> editors/eclipse-uml > java/eclipse-v4all -> editors/eclipse-v4all > java/eclipse-vep -> editors/eclipse-vep > java/eclipse-vep-examples -> editors/eclipse-vep-examples > java/eclipse-viplugin -> editors/eclipse-viplugin > java/eclipseme -> devel/eclipseme > java/phpeclipse -> editors/phpeclipse This sounds fine, too. Cheers, Panagiotis From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 16 15:07:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448FC16A420; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:07:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mi@blue.virtual-estates.net) Received: from blue.virtual-estates.net (aldan.algebra.com [216.254.65.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8271A43D48; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:07:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mi@blue.virtual-estates.net) Received: from blue.virtual-estates.net (blue [127.0.0.1]) by blue.virtual-estates.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9GF7Aqb003844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:07:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@blue.virtual-estates.net) Received: (from mi@localhost) by blue.virtual-estates.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j9GF7ACB003843; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:07:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi) From: "Mikhail T." Message-Id: <200510161507.j9GF7ACB003843@blue.virtual-estates.net> To: phantom@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:07:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:07:12 -0000 --ELM1129475230-3772-0_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello! The system's zlib is much newer and better tested on our various platforms. JDKs should use it instead of building their own. Attached is the patch for ready to be dropped into jdk15/files. Just to be sure, a wrong header file is not picked up somewhere else in the tree, the little diff below prevents the bundled zlib-1.1.3 from even being extracted: Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/pcvs/ports/java/jdk15/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.94 diff -U2 -r1.94 Makefile --- Makefile 13 Oct 2005 15:19:18 -0000 1.94 +++ Makefile 16 Oct 2005 15:04:57 -0000 @@ -307,2 +307,4 @@ .include + +EXTRACT_AFTER_ARGS+= -x '*/zlib-*/*' Please, test... Something like this should also be done to use the already installed libjpeg. Yours, -mi --ELM1129475230-3772-0_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=patch-syszlib Content-Description: --- ../../j2se/make/java/instrument/Makefile Sat Oct 15 12:08:55 2005 +++ ../../j2se/make/java/instrument/Makefile Sat Oct 15 12:37:43 2005 @@ -39,5 +39,4 @@ # into the instrument library. # -ZIP_SRC = $(SHARE_SRC)/native/java/util/zip/zlib-1.1.3 IO_PLATFORM_SRC = $(PLATFORM_SRC)/native/java/io LAUNCHER_SHARE_SRC = $(SHARE_SRC)/bin @@ -45,12 +44,4 @@ FILES_c += \ - inflate.c \ - infblock.c \ - infcodes.c \ - inffast.c \ - inftrees.c \ - zadler32.c \ - infutil.c \ - zutil.c \ canonicalize_md.c \ parse_manifest.c @@ -61,5 +60,4 @@ OTHER_INCLUDES = -I$(SHARE_SRC)/instrument OTHER_INCLUDES += -I$(PLATFORM_SRC)/instrument -OTHER_INCLUDES += -I$(ZIP_SRC) OTHER_INCLUDES += -I$(IO_PLATFORM_SRC) OTHER_INCLUDES += -I$(LAUNCHER_SHARE_SRC) -I$(LAUNCHER_PLATFORM_SRC) @@ -71,4 +61,5 @@ COMPILER_WARNING_LEVEL=0 else +OTHER_LDLIBS += -lz ifeq ($(PLATFORM), bsd) ifneq ($(TRUE_PLATFORM), NetBSD) @@ -123,5 +121,4 @@ # vpath %.c $(SHARE_SRC)/instrument $(PLATFORM_SRC)/instrument -vpath %.c $(ZIP_SRC) vpath %.c $(IO_PLATFORM_SRC) vpath %.c $(LAUNCHER_SHARE_SRC) $(LAUNCHER_PLATFORM_SRC) --- ../../j2se/make/common/Program.gmk Tue Oct 19 14:44:50 2004 +++ ../../j2se/make/common/Program.gmk Sat Oct 15 12:37:38 2005 @@ -17,5 +17,4 @@ LAUNCHER_SHARE_SRC = $(SHARE_SRC) endif -ZIP_SRC = $(SHARE_SRC)/native/java/util/zip/zlib-1.1.3 .PHONY: all optimized debug classes clean clobber @@ -47,5 +46,6 @@ $(OBJDIR)/zutil.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) -FILES_o = $(LAUNCHER_o) $(ZLIB_o) +FILES_o = $(LAUNCHER_o) +LDFLAGS += -lz ifeq ($(PLATFORM), windows) --- ../../j2se/make/java/zip/Makefile Tue Oct 19 14:44:55 2004 +++ ../../j2se/make/java/zip/Makefile Sat Oct 15 14:02:40 2005 @@ -59,11 +59,4 @@ endif -CPPFLAGS += -I$(SHARE_SRC)/native/java/util/zip/zlib-$(ZLIB_VERSION) - -# -# Add to ambient vpath so we pick up the library files -# -vpath %.c $(SHARE_SRC)/native/$(PKGDIR)/zlib-$(ZLIB_VERSION) - # # Has been converted to the JNI: generate JNI-style header files @@ -74,3 +67,3 @@ # Link to JVM library for JVM_Zip* functions # -OTHER_LDLIBS = $(JVMLIB) +OTHER_LDLIBS = -lz --- ../../j2se/make/java/zip/FILES_c.gmk Tue Oct 19 14:44:55 2004 +++ ../../j2se/make/java/zip/FILES_c.gmk Sat Oct 15 14:51:44 2005 @@ -9,14 +9,3 @@ $(CTARGDIR)ZipFile.c \ $(CTARGDIR)ZipEntry.c \ - $(CTARGDIR)zadler32.c \ - $(CTARGDIR)zcrc32.c \ - $(CTARGDIR)deflate.c \ - $(CTARGDIR)trees.c \ - $(CTARGDIR)zutil.c \ - $(CTARGDIR)inflate.c \ - $(CTARGDIR)infblock.c \ - $(CTARGDIR)inftrees.c \ - $(CTARGDIR)infcodes.c \ - $(CTARGDIR)infutil.c \ - $(CTARGDIR)inffast.c \ $(CTARGDIR)zip_util.c --- ../../j2se/src/share/native/com/sun/java/util/jar/pack/defines.h Tue Oct 19 14:59:48 2004 +++ ../../j2se/src/share/native/com/sun/java/util/jar/pack/defines.h Sun Oct 16 09:06:04 2005 @@ -15,4 +15,8 @@ #endif +#ifndef NO_ZLIB +# include +#endif + #ifndef FULL #define FULL 1 /* Adds <500 bytes to the zipped final product. */ @@ -70,4 +74,5 @@ typedef unsigned int uint; +#ifdef NO_ZLIB #ifdef _LP64 typedef unsigned int uLong; // Historical zlib, should be 32-bit. @@ -75,4 +80,6 @@ typedef unsigned long uLong; #endif +#endif + #ifdef _MSC_VER typedef LONGLONG jlong; --- ../../j2se/make/com/sun/java/pack/Makefile Tue Oct 19 14:44:46 2004 +++ ../../j2se/make/com/sun/java/pack/Makefile Sun Oct 16 09:07:12 2005 @@ -36,24 +36,6 @@ - - ifeq ($(STANDALONE),true) - ZIPOBJDIR = $(OUTPUTDIR)/tmp/sun/java.util.zip/zip/$(OBJDIRNAME) - - ZIPOBJS = $(ZIPOBJDIR)/zcrc32.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) \ - $(ZIPOBJDIR)/deflate.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) \ - $(ZIPOBJDIR)/trees.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) \ - $(ZIPOBJDIR)/zadler32.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) \ - $(ZIPOBJDIR)/zutil.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) \ - $(ZIPOBJDIR)/inflate.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) \ - $(ZIPOBJDIR)/infblock.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) \ - $(ZIPOBJDIR)/infcodes.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) \ - $(ZIPOBJDIR)/inftrees.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) \ - $(ZIPOBJDIR)/infutil.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) \ - $(ZIPOBJDIR)/inffast.$(OBJECT_SUFFIX) - - ZINCLUDE=-I$(SHARE_SRC)/native/java/util/zip/zlib-1.1.3 - OTHER_CXXFLAGS += $(ZINCLUDE) - LDDFLAGS += $(ZIPOBJS) + LDDFLAGS += -lz else OTHER_CXXFLAGS += -DNO_ZLIB -DUNPACK_JNI --ELM1129475230-3772-0_-- From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 16 16:27:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424EE16A41F for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:27:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from mx5.roble.com (mx5.roble.com [206.40.34.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC2A43D55 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:27:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20051016120045.C6E3A16A422@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20051016085915.R95131@roble.com> References: <20051016120045.C6E3A16A422@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:27:51 -0000 Vizion > My solution is not popular even if it is logical. Honestly David, until you can make a better case your solution doesn't seem logical either. >I say the ports structure needs a strategy that takes account of >the reality of tools such as eclipse and soes not hesititate to >create entirely new categories to meet those new neeeds. Before doing that you really need to define what constitutes a port category i.e, a set of rules which can universally applied. This definition would need to encompass all ports, not just the one you're concerned about today, and do so in a way that is self-evident and at has some consensus among port maintainers. > We now need something like > ports/eclipse That would be the worst solution I could think of, but thanks for making your special interest clear. We can see by this it is a religious issue and the integrity of the ports collection is less important than your particular application. Since you are not similarly advocating ports/netbeans or ports/emacs the proposition is logically indefensible. > But this view does not dit well with those who feel there is a virtue in > preserving the existing structure which I cannot help but regard as an > anachronism for these newly emerging frameworks which do not fit well into > the traditional structure. You've outlined several possible frameworks where there's really only room for one. Choose wisely. [ ] existing [ ] emerging [ ] traditional [ ] structure -- Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 16 18:51:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97ED516A420; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:51:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B255B43D53; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:51:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9GIoq9V034906; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:50:52 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.200] (pptp.ebs.gr [10.1.1.200]) by ebs.gr (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j9GIp4qp024900; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:51:05 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Message-ID: <4352A0F8.9030902@ebs.gr> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:50:32 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051008) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mikhail T." References: <200510161507.j9GF7ACB003843@blue.virtual-estates.net> In-Reply-To: <200510161507.j9GF7ACB003843@blue.virtual-estates.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: java@freebsd.org, phantom@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JDK should use system's zlib X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:51:12 -0000 Mikhail T. wrote: > Hello! > > The system's zlib is much newer and better tested on our various > platforms. > > JDKs should use it instead of building their own. Attached is the > patch for ready to be dropped into jdk15/files. > > Just to be sure, a wrong header file is not picked up somewhere > else in the tree, the little diff below prevents the bundled zlib-1.1.3 > from even being extracted: > > Index: Makefile > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/pcvs/ports/java/jdk15/Makefile,v > retrieving revision 1.94 > diff -U2 -r1.94 Makefile > --- Makefile 13 Oct 2005 15:19:18 -0000 1.94 > +++ Makefile 16 Oct 2005 15:04:57 -0000 > @@ -307,2 +307,4 @@ > > .include > + > +EXTRACT_AFTER_ARGS+= -x '*/zlib-*/*' > > > Please, test... Something like this should also be done to use the > already installed libjpeg. Yours, Seems to be working fine in my testing so far. As a side-effect it has shaved 52KB off the libzip.so binary and a total of 4MB on a debug installation. On a side note: does EXTRACT_AFTER_ARGS really have to go to the end of the Makefile? Cheers, Panagiotis From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 16 20:48:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCC016A41F for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:48:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com [68.99.120.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3CB43D4C for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:48:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051016204834.HCQG2325.dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com@dns1> for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:48:34 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:43:41 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510161343.42178.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:48:30 -0000 Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports From: Vizion To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org CC: Panagiotis Astithas , Wes Peters ,=20 tux@pinguru.net, wes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org,=20 mitsuru@riken.jp, Norikatsu Shigemura ,=20 rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, Mark Linimon=20 , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org =20 On Sunday 16 October 2005 03:20, =A0the author Panagiotis Astithas contribu= ted=20 to the dialogue on- =A0Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports:=20 >Wes Peters wrote: >> On Oct 15, 2005, at 2:39 AM, Panagiotis Astithas wrote: >>> Mark Linimon wrote: >>>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:15:07PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: >>>>> I don't mind moving the eclipse ports from java to devel, but all >>>>> the =A0other eclipse ports are add-ins to eclipse and should =A0proba= bly >>>>> be =A0classified along with eclipse. >>>> >>>> [adding freebsd-java to the Cc:] >>>> For some background, there's been on-and-off discussion on -java >>>> about how the java category was never really a good idea. =A0None of >>>> the other languages have their own primary category. =A0In particular >>>> we've completely failed to train our users to send 'java' PRs only >>>> for problems with the JVMs and 'ports' PRs for things in ports/java. >>>> >>>>> In particular, if eclipse is a 'devel' tool, I don't see how CDT >>>>> and phpeclipse are editors. =A0GEF isn't a graphics library, it's =A0a >>>>> graphical emulation framework for eclipse, which is (again) a >>>>> development tool. >>> >>> Although I agree with everything you say here, I can't see how this >>> is an argument against the fact that GEF and CDT most probably =A0belong >>> to devel. Unless I'm mistaken and you were not making one? >> >> I was making an argument that regardless of where eclipse migrates =A0to= o, >> all of it's little pieces should go right along with it, rather =A0than >> getting spread all over the ports system. > >Since you snipped Mark's reply in your quote, let me clarify that my >comments above were directed to Mark and I agree with your point. >However I'm not sure whether there has to be a strict rule that every >eclipse-foo port should go in the same category. Perhaps the emacs >precedent should be followed. See below. > >Norikatsu Shigemura wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:14:59 +0900 (JST) > > > > Norikatsu Shigemura wrote: > >>Hi eclipse and eclipse related ports maintainers and users! > >>=A0=A0=A0=A0Some time ago, someone suggested that eclipse and eclipse > >>=A0=A0=A0=A0related ports should be located on proper categories. =A0I > >>=A0=A0=A0=A0think so. =A0So I suggest following repocopy list. =A0Anyon= e, > >>=A0=A0=A0=A0do you have any idea? > > > > =A0=A0=A0=A0Oops, I missed. =A0Eclipse is very similar to Emacs: > > =A0=A0=A0=A01. IDE > > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Emacs is a one of IDE(or platform). =A0And anyone does= n't > > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 think that it is ONLY a elisp interpreter. =A0But it is > > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 a editor. =A0So I think that it is no problem that Ecl= ipse > > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 may be categolize to editors. > > > > =A0=A0=A0=A02. Extension-able > > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Emacs has many extention modules like news reader, lan= guage > > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 support, games, ... > > > > =A0=A0=A0=A03. Mode > > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Emacs has many mode for descriptions like C, Perl, Jav= a, ... > > > > =A0=A0=A0=A04. others > > =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 It must be that there are other similar feature:-). > > > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/ecli= pse > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-EPIC =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -> editors/eclipse-EP= IC > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-cdt =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-= cdt > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-checkstyle =A0 =A0 -> devel/eclipse-checkstyle > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-clay-core =A0 =A0 =A0-> databases/eclipse-clay= =2Dcore > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-devel =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-de= vel > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-emf =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-= emf > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-examples =A0 =A0 =A0 -> devel/eclipse-examples > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-gef =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-= gef > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-gef-examples =A0 -> editors/eclipse-gef-exampl= es > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-langpack =A0 =A0 =A0 -> editors/eclipse-langpa= ck > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-log4e =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-lo= g4e > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-lomboz =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -> devel/eclipse-lomboz > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-pmd =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> devel/eclipse-pmd > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-quantum =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> databases/eclipse-qu= antum > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-sqlexplorer =A0 =A0-> databases/eclipse-sqlexp= lorer > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat =A0-> www/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-uml =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-= uml > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-v4all =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-v4= all > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-vep =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> editors/eclipse-= vep > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-vep-examples =A0 -> editors/eclipse-vep-exampl= es > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipse-viplugin =A0 =A0 =A0 -> editors/eclipse-viplug= in > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/eclipseme =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> devel/eclipseme > > =A0=A0=A0=A0java/phpeclipse =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -> editors/phpeclip= se > >This sounds fine, too. 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From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 16 21:35:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE7E16A41F; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:35:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7EA343D48; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:35:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id E9CE8114A7; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:35:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:35:37 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: "Mikhail T." Message-ID: <20051016213536.GH957@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <200510161507.j9GF7ACB003843@blue.virtual-estates.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nqkreNcslJAfgyzk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200510161507.j9GF7ACB003843@blue.virtual-estates.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: java@FreeBSD.org, phantom@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: JDK should use system's zlib X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:35:39 -0000 --nqkreNcslJAfgyzk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.16 11:07:10 -0400, Mikhail T. wrote: > The system's zlib is much newer and better tested on our various > platforms. [snip patch to use system zlib] And even better (from my point of view anyway :-) ) - we don't have to track security vulnerabilities in the ancient embeded zlib, so with my Security Team hat I would really like to see this committed! (or rather something like, don't know if the patch is correct). --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Deputy Security Officer --nqkreNcslJAfgyzk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDUseoh9pcDSc1mlERAvoWAJ93evOXph2QWG8k789HB6tPJ2lUTACePi5n sCmQaXSLicO1fypuDYj2vDU= =f6q4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nqkreNcslJAfgyzk-- From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 16 22:35:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEEB16A41F; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:35:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr [139.124.41.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35BD43D46; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:35:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9GMZ1k3058781; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:35:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: (from rv@localhost) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j9GMZ0Mi058780; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:35:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) X-Authentication-Warning: arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr: rv set sender to herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr using -f Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:35:00 +0200 From: Herve Quiroz To: Vizion Message-ID: <20051016223500.GA58676@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Vizion , freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org References: <200510161343.42178.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200510161343.42178.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:35:04 -0000 On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 01:43:41PM -0700, Vizion wrote: > Sounds crazy to me... > Scattering eclipse tools over the whole ports collections is, to my mind, a > retrograde, rather than a positive step. There are another 290 pus eclipse > tools to bring on board!! > I would continue to advocate for a single collection We already discussed this matter some time ago. And the discussion just died by itself IIRC. You keep telling us about the "290 eclipse tools" that exist all around the world but what I just see: $ ls /usr/ports/java | grep eclipse | wc -l --> 24 So we are speaking of 24 ports here. Nothing close to 290 if you ask me. Besides, you keep whining about the poor philosophy behind the whole ports framework and speaking of the closed-mind of its developers who cannot see the "pure true genious solution" that you suggested. I don't really think this will encourage people to try and understand your approach. Fine. As it was the case with the latest discussion we had on the subject, I think I'll just find another way to spend my time and energy (shooting PRs or discussing and fixing the existing framework). Herve From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 04:10:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F93A16A41F for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:10:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC09243D49 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:10:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9H4AIdY064074 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:10:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9H4AIEc064073; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:10:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:10:18 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510170410.j9H4AIEc064073@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, leafy Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DA216A41F for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:08:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leafy@leafy.idv.tw) Received: from seed.net.tw (sn12.seed.net.tw [139.175.54.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2F643D49 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:08:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leafy@leafy.idv.tw) Received: from [61.59.10.173] (port=54345 helo=chihiro.leafy.idv.tw) by seed.net.tw with esmtp (Seednet 4.23:1) id 1ERMIQ-000BsY-Um for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:08:22 +0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chihiro.leafy.idv.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A48B6A for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:08:22 +0800 (CST) Received: from chihiro.leafy.idv.tw ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chihiro.leafy.idv.tw [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 93619-05 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:08:21 +0800 (CST) Received: by chihiro.leafy.idv.tw (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 79E9166; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:08:21 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <20051017040821.79E9166@chihiro.leafy.idv.tw> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:08:21 +0800 (CST) From: leafy To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Cc: Subject: java/87552: Enable multi-job builds for CPP files in JDK15 build X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: leafy List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:10:19 -0000 >Number: 87552 >Category: java >Synopsis: Enable multi-job builds for CPP files in JDK15 build >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-java >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Oct 17 04:10:18 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: leafy >Release: FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: personal >Environment: System: FreeBSD chihiro.leafy.idv.tw 7.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #6: Thu Oct 6 02:23:13 CST 2005 leafy@chihiro.leafy.idv.tw:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CHIHIRO i386 >Description: From http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable/general/jdk.html Adding HOTSPOT_BUILD_JOBS=n to the port enables parallel multi-job building of the CPP part in jdk15. This decreases compilation time for hotspot VMs on a multi-cpu machine, even if it's a hyperthreaded one. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: diff -Nru jdk15.orig/Makefile jdk15/Makefile --- jdk15.orig/Makefile Mon Oct 17 12:01:03 2005 +++ jdk15/Makefile Mon Oct 17 12:01:30 2005 @@ -114,6 +114,9 @@ .if !defined(WITH_IPV6) MAKE_ENV+= DONT_ENABLE_IPV6="YES" .endif +.if defined(HOTSPOT_BUILD_JOBS) +MAKE_ENV+= HOTSPOT_BUILD_JOBS=${HOTSPOT_BUILD_JOBS} +.endif ALL_TARGET= all >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 11:01:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C7216A41F for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:01:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24CC43D49 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:01:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9HB1wdx022398 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:01:58 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9HB1vut022392 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:01:57 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:01:57 GMT Message-Id: <200510171101.j9HB1vut022392@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:01:59 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/05/13] ports/38018 java www/jakarta-tomcat4: make passing of JVM f [2002/05/13] ports/38020 java www/jakarta-tomcat4: stop tomcat via java o [2004/05/01] java/66151 java JBuilderX (sun jvm 1.4.1 builtin) crashes o [2004/12/06] ports/74760 java java/javavmwrapper messes up amavisd-new o [2005/01/24] java/76631 java any port linux-*-jdk12 will core dump if f [2005/06/13] java/82183 java Cannot install Java 1.5, lots of missing f [2005/07/14] ports/83434 java tomcat ports give the wrong ownership to o [2005/09/29] java/86700 java SIGSEGV in native jdk15 8 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f [2003/09/16] ports/56928 java jce-aba port should install to $JAVA_HOME o [2004/08/11] java/70292 java jdk14 compile problem f [2004/11/24] ports/74344 java [proposal] tomcat41ctl: support for passi o [2004/12/16] ports/75143 java There is no way to specify jvm parameters o [2005/10/01] java/86804 java [PATCH] Install a desktop icon for the ja 5 problems total. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 16 20:15:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA53416A41F; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:15:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com [68.99.120.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE29343D46; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:15:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051016201510.GXFS2325.dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com@dns1>; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:15:10 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:10:12 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> In-Reply-To: <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510161310.18807.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:43:53 +0000 Cc: Wes Peters , wes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, tux@pinguru.net, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, Mark Linimon , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:15:08 -0000 On Sunday 16 October 2005 03:20, the author Panagiotis Astithas contributed to the dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >Wes Peters wrote: >> On Oct 15, 2005, at 2:39 AM, Panagiotis Astithas wrote: >>> Mark Linimon wrote: >>>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:15:07PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: >>>>> I don't mind moving the eclipse ports from java to devel, but all >>>>> the other eclipse ports are add-ins to eclipse and should probably >>>>> be classified along with eclipse. >>>> >>>> [adding freebsd-java to the Cc:] >>>> For some background, there's been on-and-off discussion on -java >>>> about how the java category was never really a good idea. None of >>>> the other languages have their own primary category. In particular >>>> we've completely failed to train our users to send 'java' PRs only >>>> for problems with the JVMs and 'ports' PRs for things in ports/java. >>>> >>>>> In particular, if eclipse is a 'devel' tool, I don't see how CDT >>>>> and phpeclipse are editors. GEF isn't a graphics library, it's a >>>>> graphical emulation framework for eclipse, which is (again) a >>>>> development tool. >>> >>> Although I agree with everything you say here, I can't see how this >>> is an argument against the fact that GEF and CDT most probably belong >>> to devel. Unless I'm mistaken and you were not making one? >> >> I was making an argument that regardless of where eclipse migrates too, >> all of it's little pieces should go right along with it, rather than >> getting spread all over the ports system. > >Since you snipped Mark's reply in your quote, let me clarify that my >comments above were directed to Mark and I agree with your point. >However I'm not sure whether there has to be a strict rule that every >eclipse-foo port should go in the same category. Perhaps the emacs >precedent should be followed. See below. > >Norikatsu Shigemura wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:14:59 +0900 (JST) > > > > Norikatsu Shigemura wrote: > >>Hi eclipse and eclipse related ports maintainers and users! > >> Some time ago, someone suggested that eclipse and eclipse > >> related ports should be located on proper categories. I > >> think so. So I suggest following repocopy list. Anyone, > >> do you have any idea? > > > > Oops, I missed. Eclipse is very similar to Emacs: > > 1. IDE > > Emacs is a one of IDE(or platform). And anyone doesn't > > think that it is ONLY a elisp interpreter. But it is > > a editor. So I think that it is no problem that Eclipse > > may be categolize to editors. > > > > 2. Extension-able > > Emacs has many extention modules like news reader, language > > support, games, ... > > > > 3. Mode > > Emacs has many mode for descriptions like C, Perl, Java, ... > > > > 4. others > > It must be that there are other similar feature:-). > > > > java/eclipse -> editors/eclipse > > java/eclipse-EPIC -> editors/eclipse-EPIC > > java/eclipse-cdt -> editors/eclipse-cdt > > java/eclipse-checkstyle -> devel/eclipse-checkstyle > > java/eclipse-clay-core -> databases/eclipse-clay-core > > java/eclipse-devel -> editors/eclipse-devel > > java/eclipse-emf -> editors/eclipse-emf > > java/eclipse-examples -> devel/eclipse-examples > > java/eclipse-gef -> editors/eclipse-gef > > java/eclipse-gef-examples -> editors/eclipse-gef-examples > > java/eclipse-langpack -> editors/eclipse-langpack > > java/eclipse-log4e -> editors/eclipse-log4e > > java/eclipse-lomboz -> devel/eclipse-lomboz > > java/eclipse-pmd -> devel/eclipse-pmd > > java/eclipse-quantum -> databases/eclipse-quantum > > java/eclipse-sqlexplorer -> databases/eclipse-sqlexplorer > > java/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat -> www/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat > > java/eclipse-uml -> editors/eclipse-uml > > java/eclipse-v4all -> editors/eclipse-v4all > > java/eclipse-vep -> editors/eclipse-vep > > java/eclipse-vep-examples -> editors/eclipse-vep-examples > > java/eclipse-viplugin -> editors/eclipse-viplugin > > java/eclipseme -> devel/eclipseme > > java/phpeclipse -> editors/phpeclipse > >This sounds fine, too. Sounds crazy to me... Scattering eclipse tools over the whole ports collections is, to my mind, a retrograde, rather than a positive step. There are another 290 pus eclipse tools to bring on board!! I would continue to advocate for a single collection david -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 01:55:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCF616A41F; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:55:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247E943D49; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:55:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.34] (cpe-66-75-60-23.san.res.rr.com [66.75.60.23]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145572006885; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:55:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051015053003.GB28137@soaustin.net> <4350CE50.8080704@ebs.gr> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Wes Peters Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:55:25 -0700 To: Panagiotis Astithas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:43:53 +0000 Cc: tux@pinguru.net, wes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:55:28 -0000 On Oct 16, 2005, at 3:20 AM, Panagiotis Astithas wrote: > Wes Peters wrote: > >> On Oct 15, 2005, at 2:39 AM, Panagiotis Astithas wrote: >>> >>> Although I agree with everything you say here, I can't see how >>> this is an argument against the fact that GEF and CDT most >>> probably belong to devel. Unless I'm mistaken and you were not >>> making one? >>> >> I was making an argument that regardless of where eclipse >> migrates too, all of it's little pieces should go right along >> with it, rather than getting spread all over the ports system. > > Since you snipped Mark's reply in your quote, let me clarify that > my comments above were directed to Mark and I agree with your > point. However I'm not sure whether there has to be a strict rule > that every eclipse-foo port should go in the same category. Perhaps > the emacs precedent should be followed. See below. That's exactly the point I was (and am) trying to argue against. I have to resort to 'make search' to find emacs tools these days because they've been thrown all over the ports system by well-meaning but misguided contributors, and I'd hate to see that happen to eclipse tools too. As to devel vs. editors, eclipse is hardly a text editor. Emacs at least started that way. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 13:15:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215A716A41F; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:15:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) Received: from matrix.gatewaynet.com (host2.dynacom.ondsl.gr [62.103.35.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B5A43D73; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:15:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) Received: from matrix.gatewaynet.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by matrix.gatewaynet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9HD9bSv031740; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:09:37 +0300 Received: from localhost (achill@localhost) by matrix.gatewaynet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id j9HD9bPx031736; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:09:37 +0300 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:09:37 +0300 (EEST) From: Achilleus Mantzios To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:16:40 +0000 Cc: tux@pinguru.net, wes@freebsd.org, freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Mark Linimon , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:15:07 -0000 O Wes Peters έγραψε στις Oct 16, 2005 : > > On Oct 16, 2005, at 3:20 AM, Panagiotis Astithas wrote: > > As to devel vs. editors, eclipse is hardly a text editor. Emacs at > least started that way. Perhaps i missed something, but why all that bother with eclipse, when (at least) all the java add-ons for it are easily managed by the tool itself? For possible JNI eclipse plugins (if any) a port definately makes sense but for the majority (java) i think the community over engineers the case instead of working on more vital issues of the operation system. I am not quoting directly any of the fellows participating in the discussion, i just grabbed the last email to write my lines. > > Wes Peters > wes@softweyr.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- -Achilleus From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 14:00:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EA916A41F; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:00:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from blue.virtual-estates.net (aldan.algebra.com [216.254.65.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB9643D48; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:00:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from blue.virtual-estates.net (blue [127.0.0.1]) by blue.virtual-estates.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HDxxeb088437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:59:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by blue.virtual-estates.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j9HDxw0d088436; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:59:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) X-Authentication-Warning: blue.virtual-estates.net: mi set sender to mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com using -f From: Mikhail Teterin To: Panagiotis Astithas Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:59:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200510161507.j9GF7ACB003843@blue.virtual-estates.net> <4352A0F8.9030902@ebs.gr> In-Reply-To: <4352A0F8.9030902@ebs.gr> X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7whJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" Cc: java@freebsd.org, phantom@freebsd.org, "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: JDK should use system's zlib X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:00:04 -0000 On Sunday 16 October 2005 02:50 pm, Panagiotis Astithas wrote: = > @@ -307,2 +307,4 @@ = > = > .include = > + = > +EXTRACT_AFTER_ARGS+= -x '*/zlib-*/*' = Seems to be working fine in my testing so far. As a side-effect it has = shaved 52KB off the libzip.so binary and a total of 4MB on a debug = installation. On a side note: does EXTRACT_AFTER_ARGS really have to = go to the end of the Makefile? Yes, unless you wish to spell them out in full. bsd.port.mk will only set this variable, if it is not set already :-( So, if you want to just _append_ some flags, you have to do that at the end. On Sunday 16 October 2005 05:35 pm, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: = And even better (from my point of view anyway :-) ) - we don't have to = track security vulnerabilities in the ancient embeded zlib Ok, then, who is going to do the same thing with libjpeg :-) ? -mi From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 15:01:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C59816A41F for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:01:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xvalen@atlas.cz) Received: from tron.kn.vutbr.cz (tron.kn.vutbr.cz [147.229.191.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738FA43D49 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:01:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xvalen@atlas.cz) Received: from a03-0622d.kn.vutbr.cz (a03-0622d.kn.vutbr.cz [147.229.214.112]) by tron.kn.vutbr.cz (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with SMTP id j9HF1pP3028225 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:01:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from xvalen@atlas.cz) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:01:46 +0200 From: Petr Valenta To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20051017170146.60b1b90b.xvalen@atlas.cz> In-Reply-To: <200510161310.18807.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> <200510161310.18807.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.1.3 (GTK+ 2.6.10; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/0.19.268 (tron [147.229.191.152]); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:01:52 +0200 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=0.10 required=6.00 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "tron.kn.vutbr.cz", has tested this incoming email. 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. ____ Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 6.0 required) ____ pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------- 0.9 DATE_MISSING Missing Date: header -0.7 BAYES_10 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 10 to 20% [score: 0.1629] ____ Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:01:55 -0000 On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:10:12 -0700 Vizion wrote: > On Sunday 16 October 2005 03:20, the author Panagiotis Astithas contributed > to the dialogue on- > Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: > > >Wes Peters wrote: > >> On Oct 15, 2005, at 2:39 AM, Panagiotis Astithas wrote: > >>> Mark Linimon wrote: > >>>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:15:07PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > >>>>> I don't mind moving the eclipse ports from java to devel, but all > >>>>> the other eclipse ports are add-ins to eclipse and should probably > >>>>> be classified along with eclipse. > >>>> > >>>> [adding freebsd-java to the Cc:] > >>>> For some background, there's been on-and-off discussion on -java > >>>> about how the java category was never really a good idea. None of > >>>> the other languages have their own primary category. In particular > >>>> we've completely failed to train our users to send 'java' PRs only > >>>> for problems with the JVMs and 'ports' PRs for things in ports/java. > >>>> > >>>>> In particular, if eclipse is a 'devel' tool, I don't see how CDT > >>>>> and phpeclipse are editors. GEF isn't a graphics library, it's a > >>>>> graphical emulation framework for eclipse, which is (again) a > >>>>> development tool. > >>> > >>> Although I agree with everything you say here, I can't see how this > >>> is an argument against the fact that GEF and CDT most probably belong > >>> to devel. Unless I'm mistaken and you were not making one? > >> > >> I was making an argument that regardless of where eclipse migrates too, > >> all of it's little pieces should go right along with it, rather than > >> getting spread all over the ports system. > > > >Since you snipped Mark's reply in your quote, let me clarify that my > >comments above were directed to Mark and I agree with your point. > >However I'm not sure whether there has to be a strict rule that every > >eclipse-foo port should go in the same category. Perhaps the emacs > >precedent should be followed. See below. > > > >Norikatsu Shigemura wrote: > > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:14:59 +0900 (JST) > > > > > > Norikatsu Shigemura wrote: > > >>Hi eclipse and eclipse related ports maintainers and users! > > >> Some time ago, someone suggested that eclipse and eclipse > > >> related ports should be located on proper categories. I > > >> think so. So I suggest following repocopy list. Anyone, > > >> do you have any idea? > > > > > > Oops, I missed. Eclipse is very similar to Emacs: > > > 1. IDE > > > Emacs is a one of IDE(or platform). And anyone doesn't > > > think that it is ONLY a elisp interpreter. But it is > > > a editor. So I think that it is no problem that Eclipse > > > may be categolize to editors. > > > > > > 2. Extension-able > > > Emacs has many extention modules like news reader, language > > > support, games, ... > > > > > > 3. Mode > > > Emacs has many mode for descriptions like C, Perl, Java, ... > > > > > > 4. others > > > It must be that there are other similar feature:-). > > > > > > java/eclipse -> editors/eclipse > > > java/eclipse-EPIC -> editors/eclipse-EPIC > > > java/eclipse-cdt -> editors/eclipse-cdt > > > java/eclipse-checkstyle -> devel/eclipse-checkstyle > > > java/eclipse-clay-core -> databases/eclipse-clay-core > > > java/eclipse-devel -> editors/eclipse-devel > > > java/eclipse-emf -> editors/eclipse-emf > > > java/eclipse-examples -> devel/eclipse-examples > > > java/eclipse-gef -> editors/eclipse-gef > > > java/eclipse-gef-examples -> editors/eclipse-gef-examples > > > java/eclipse-langpack -> editors/eclipse-langpack > > > java/eclipse-log4e -> editors/eclipse-log4e > > > java/eclipse-lomboz -> devel/eclipse-lomboz > > > java/eclipse-pmd -> devel/eclipse-pmd > > > java/eclipse-quantum -> databases/eclipse-quantum > > > java/eclipse-sqlexplorer -> databases/eclipse-sqlexplorer > > > java/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat -> www/eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat > > > java/eclipse-uml -> editors/eclipse-uml > > > java/eclipse-v4all -> editors/eclipse-v4all > > > java/eclipse-vep -> editors/eclipse-vep > > > java/eclipse-vep-examples -> editors/eclipse-vep-examples > > > java/eclipse-viplugin -> editors/eclipse-viplugin > > > java/eclipseme -> devel/eclipseme > > > java/phpeclipse -> editors/phpeclipse > > > >This sounds fine, too. > Sounds crazy to me... > Scattering eclipse tools over the whole ports collections is, to my mind, a > retrograde, rather than a positive step. There are another 290 pus eclipse > tools to bring on board!! > I would continue to advocate for a single collection > david I agree, many people don't need eclipse and puting it into whole port collection is bad because there will be no way to disable fetching eclipse-* with cvsup...I think that /usr/ports/eclipse/ will be the best solution. Petr > > -- > 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. > English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. > Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after > completing engineroom refit. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 15:16:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE5816A420 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:16:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr [139.124.41.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE2243D6A for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:16:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HFFk9Q022042; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:15:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: (from rv@localhost) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j9HFFknX022041; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:15:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) X-Authentication-Warning: arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr: rv set sender to herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr using -f Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:15:46 +0200 From: Herve Quiroz To: Petr Valenta Message-ID: <20051017151546.GA68987@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Petr Valenta , freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> <200510161310.18807.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20051017170146.60b1b90b.xvalen@atlas.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051017170146.60b1b90b.xvalen@atlas.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:16:17 -0000 On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 05:01:46PM +0200, Petr Valenta wrote: > I agree, > many people don't need eclipse and puting it into whole port > collection is bad because there will be no way to disable fetching > eclipse-* with cvsup...I think that /usr/ports/eclipse/ will be the > best solution. Actually I believe you can set up a refuse file to disable fetching Eclipse stuff with cvsup. Something like that should do the trick: $ find /usr/ports -type d -name 'eclipse*' -mindepth 2 -maxdepth 2 \ | sed 's|^/usr/||' >> Anyway, I don't think this is really an issue... Herve From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 15:30:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC57B16A420; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:30:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr [139.124.41.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0497F43D53; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:30:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HFUOHp009594; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:30:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: (from rv@localhost) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j9HFUOX6009478; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:30:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) X-Authentication-Warning: arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr: rv set sender to herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr using -f Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:30:24 +0200 From: Herve Quiroz To: Wes Peters Message-ID: <20051017153024.GA23494@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Wes Peters , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, Norikatsu Shigemura , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051015053003.GB28137@soaustin.net> <4350CE50.8080704@ebs.gr> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, Norikatsu Shigemura , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:30:26 -0000 [recipient list trimmed down] On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 06:55:25PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > That's exactly the point I was (and am) trying to argue against. I > have to resort to 'make search' to find emacs tools these days > because they've been thrown all over the ports system by well-meaning > but misguided contributors, and I'd hate to see that happen to > eclipse tools too. Greg (glewis@) already suggested to create a new *virtual* category for Eclipse ports to ease the search of a port. That could do the trick... Or else you may just use FreshPorts.org facilities to look for an Eclipse plugin: http://www.freshports.org/search.php?stype=name&method=match&query=eclipse&num=100&orderby=category&orderbyupdown=asc&search=Search Again, I don't think we should make an exception of Eclipse. All other ports comply to the convention and for instance there is no 'apache' non-virtual category. Regarding Apache, we are speaking of at least 116 'mod_*' ports while there are only 24 eclipse ports. Moreover, 'apache' is not even a virtual category. But that's probably because all 'mod_*' ports are in the same 'www' non-virtual category. So my take is that either we group all Eclipse ports into the same non-virtual category (but not a new 'eclipse' category which makes no sense) or we scater them but tag them by having them all in the 'eclipse' virtual category. Herve From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 15:49:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3703416A420; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:49:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dukecmmtao01.coxmail.com (dukecmmtao01.coxmail.com [68.99.120.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E2B43D55; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:48:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by dukecmmtao01.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051017154906.VUNV7298.dukecmmtao01.coxmail.com@dns1>; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:49:06 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:44:01 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> <20051017153024.GA23494@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> In-Reply-To: <20051017153024.GA23494@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510170844.06438.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Wes Peters , freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, Norikatsu Shigemura , Mark Linimon , Herve Quiroz , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:49:05 -0000 On Monday 17 October 2005 08:30, the author Herve Quiroz contributed to the dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >[recipient list trimmed down] > >On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 06:55:25PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: >> That's exactly the point I was (and am) trying to argue against. I >> have to resort to 'make search' to find emacs tools these days >> because they've been thrown all over the ports system by well-meaning >> but misguided contributors, and I'd hate to see that happen to >> eclipse tools too. > >Greg (glewis@) already suggested to create a new *virtual* category for >Eclipse ports to ease the search of a port. That could do the trick... > >Or else you may just use FreshPorts.org facilities to look for an >Eclipse plugin: > >http://www.freshports.org/search.php?stype=name&method=match&query=eclipse&n >um=100&orderby=category&orderbyupdown=asc&search=Search > >Again, I don't think we should make an exception of Eclipse. All other >ports comply to the convention and for instance there is no 'apache' >non-virtual category. Regarding Apache, we are speaking of at least 116 >'mod_*' ports while there are only 24 eclipse ports. Moreover, 'apache' >is not even a virtual category. But that's probably because all 'mod_*' >ports are in the same 'www' non-virtual category. > >So my take is that either we group all Eclipse ports into the same >non-virtual category (but not a new 'eclipse' category which makes no >sense) or we scater them but tag them by having them all in the >'eclipse' virtual category. You guys just do not get it. I have spent over 45 five years in the computer industry and am fed up with technologists who think in terms of their precious systems rather than on behalf of people that use them. You do not get it that the ports systems, as currently configured, is out of date as far as the newly emerging framework centric applications model as against the traditional application centric model. e now need a category /ports/eclipse and not this ridiculous scattering arounf the system or some half hearted 'virtual' solution that gets in the way of a real framework centric solution. I am sick to death of hearing the same old appeal based on "mot making an exception" which really means "I want to bury my head in the sand" and stick to the old ways of doing things. And before anyone tells me -- yes I am angry. david > >Herve >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 15:53:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ED516A41F for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:53:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com [68.99.120.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCF143D55 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:53:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051017155359.SVOW17511.lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com@dns1> for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:53:59 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:49:01 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051017153024.GA23494@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> <200510170844.06438.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200510170844.06438.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510170849.02045.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:53:53 -0000 On Monday 17 October 2005 08:44, the author Vizion contributed to the dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >On Monday 17 October 2005 08:30, the author Herve Quiroz contributed to the >dialogue on- > > Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >>[recipient list trimmed down] >> >>On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 06:55:25PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: >>> That's exactly the point I was (and am) trying to argue against. I >>> have to resort to 'make search' to find emacs tools these days >>> because they've been thrown all over the ports system by well-meaning >>> but misguided contributors, and I'd hate to see that happen to >>> eclipse tools too. >> >>Greg (glewis@) already suggested to create a new *virtual* category for >>Eclipse ports to ease the search of a port. That could do the trick... >> >>Or else you may just use FreshPorts.org facilities to look for an >>Eclipse plugin: >> >>http://www.freshports.org/search.php?stype=name&method=match&query=eclipse& >>n um=100&orderby=category&orderbyupdown=asc&search=Search >> >>Again, I don't think we should make an exception of Eclipse. All other >>ports comply to the convention and for instance there is no 'apache' >>non-virtual category. Regarding Apache, we are speaking of at least 116 >>'mod_*' ports while there are only 24 eclipse ports. Moreover, 'apache' >>is not even a virtual category. But that's probably because all 'mod_*' >>ports are in the same 'www' non-virtual category. >> >>So my take is that either we group all Eclipse ports into the same >>non-virtual category (but not a new 'eclipse' category which makes no >>sense) or we scater them but tag them by having them all in the >>'eclipse' virtual category. > >You guys just do not get it. > >I have spent over 45 five years in the computer industry and am fed up with >technologists who think in terms of their precious systems rather than on >behalf of people that use them. > >You do not get it that the ports systems, as currently configured, is out > of date as far as the newly emerging framework centric applications model > as against the traditional application centric model. > >e now need a category /ports/eclipse and not this ridiculous scattering > arounf the system or some half hearted 'virtual' solution that gets in the > way of a real framework centric solution. > >I am sick to death of hearing the same old appeal based on "mot making an >exception" which really means "I want to bury my head in the sand" and stick >to the old ways of doing things. > >And before anyone tells me -- yes I am angry. > >david > >>Herve >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 16:14:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66ED816A420 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:14:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xvalen@atlas.cz) Received: from tron.kn.vutbr.cz (tron.kn.vutbr.cz [147.229.191.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4302243D49 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:14:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xvalen@atlas.cz) Received: from a03-0622d.kn.vutbr.cz (a03-0622d.kn.vutbr.cz [147.229.214.112]) by tron.kn.vutbr.cz (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with SMTP id j9HGEQP3031313 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:14:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from xvalen@atlas.cz) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:14:21 +0200 From: Petr Valenta To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20051017181421.8b429614.xvalen@atlas.cz> In-Reply-To: <20051017151546.GA68987@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> <200510161310.18807.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20051017170146.60b1b90b.xvalen@atlas.cz> <20051017151546.GA68987@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.1.3 (GTK+ 2.6.10; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/0.19.268 (tron [147.229.191.152]); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:14:27 +0200 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=0.50 required=6.00 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "tron.kn.vutbr.cz", has tested this incoming email. 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. ____ Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 6.0 required) ____ pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------- 0.9 DATE_MISSING Missing Date: header -0.3 BAYES_30 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 30 to 40% [score: 0.3722] ____ Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:14:30 -0000 On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:15:46 +0200 Herve Quiroz wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 05:01:46PM +0200, Petr Valenta wrote: > > I agree, > > many people don't need eclipse and puting it into whole port > > collection is bad because there will be no way to disable fetching > > eclipse-* with cvsup...I think that /usr/ports/eclipse/ will be the > > best solution. > > Actually I believe you can set up a refuse file to disable fetching > Eclipse stuff with cvsup. Something like that should do the trick: > > $ find /usr/ports -type d -name 'eclipse*' -mindepth 2 -maxdepth 2 \ > | sed 's|^/usr/||' >> > > Anyway, I don't think this is really an issue... > > Herve Of course, but I thinks that /usr/ports/eclipse is much more transparent but it's only my feeling. Petr > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 18:56:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300FF16A420; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:56:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8AE43D8C; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:56:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1ERa9u-00005Z-Ge; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:56:32 +0100 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ERa9l-000141-Vc; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:56:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:56:21 +0100 (BST) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: Vizion In-Reply-To: <200510170844.06438.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Message-ID: References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> <20051017153024.GA23494@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> <200510170844.06438.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Jan Grant X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: Wes Peters , freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, Norikatsu Shigemura , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Mark Linimon , Herve Quiroz , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:56:34 -0000 On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Vizion wrote: > You guys just do not get it. > > I have spent over 45 five years in the computer industry and am fed up with > technologists who think in terms of their precious systems rather than on > behalf of people that use them. This is an open-source project; patches speak louder than words. There is a process outlined in the porters' handbook (that I've pointed you at before) for getting ports system rejigs to even be considered. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/makefile-categories.html#PROPOSING-CATEGORIES (Given the ability of existing tools to search for ports in "half-assed" virtual categories, I think you overstate your case.) Cheers, jan -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44 (0)117 3317661 http://ioctl.org/jan/ HP-unix: Open Sauce product, available in 57 distributions. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 19:55:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D535916A420; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:55:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com [68.99.120.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4527B43D48; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:55:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051017195547.XSJX2325.dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com@dns1>; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:55:47 -0400 From: Vizion To: Jan Grant Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:50:45 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <200510170844.06438.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510171250.50481.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Wes Peters , freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, Norikatsu Shigemura , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Mark Linimon , Herve Quiroz , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:55:44 -0000 On Monday 17 October 2005 11:56, the author Jan Grant contributed to the=20 dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports:=20 >On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Vizion wrote: >> You guys just do not get it. >> >> I have spent over 45 five years in the computer industry and am fed up >> with technologists who think in terms of their precious systems rather >> than on behalf of people that use them. > >This is an open-source project; patches speak louder than words. There >is a process outlined in the porters' handbook (that I've pointed you at >before) for getting ports system rejigs to even be considered. > >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/makefile= =2Dc >ategories.html#PROPOSING-CATEGORIES > >(Given the ability of existing tools to search for ports in "half-assed" >virtual categories, I think you overstate your case.) > Sorry but those who think this way do not get it.. You cut out a highly significant part of my posting so I repeat it in full. >> I have spent over 45 five years in the computer industry and am fed up w= ith >>technologists who think in terms of their precious systems rather than on >>behalf of people that use them. Your response : > patches speak louder than words. Gives additional weight to my words. You are reinforcing my point. The=20 division between the perceptions of a technological old guard and the emrgi= ng=20 needs of a new breed of users whose attitudes come from a user's appreciati= on=20 of the extra-technological implications of technological changes. I would=20 argue that the technologist is always one step behind the consumer in=20 appreciating the realworld potential of the products of technology. =20 I saw microsoft meteoric rise just because those who were providing patches= =20 and code in the **ix fraternity would not listen to the demands of system=20 users. The technologist who thought in terms of system did not heed the nee= ds=20 of users.=20 The problem can be both identified and summarized by the notion of that=20 technological competence needs non-technological direction if it is going t= o=20 be produce results that are socially sustainable.=20 I would appreciate it if, in the light of the history of modern day computi= ng,=20 you would not so obviously seek to belittle the voices of those who do not= =20 see things through an internal FreeBSD methodolgical filter. >>You do not get it that the ports systems, as currently configured, is =A0= out=20 >>of date as far as the newly emerging framework centric applications model= =20 >>as against the traditional application centric model. =46ramework centric applications need their own hierarchy so that plugins c= an be=20 managed within the hierarchy. So my comment: >>We now need a category /ports/eclipse and not this ridiculous scattering =A0>>arounf the system or some half hearted 'virtual' solution that gets in= the =A0>>way of a real framework centric solution. Was, I feel, more apt than your response: >(Given the ability of existing tools to search for ports in "half-assed" >virtual categories, I think you overstate your case.) Which shows again how those who think that way do not get it. =20 The issue is not about searching it is about having a hierarchy that works = for=20 a framework centric processing model! Your response: >There is a process outlined in the porters' handbook (that I've pointed yo= u=20 > at before) for getting ports system rejigs to even be considered. Shows again do not get it. You do not think about user you are thinking abo= ut=20 users can be made to work with current internal regulatory processes. This= =20 approach can be seen as somewhat condescending. The user does not want to be embroiled in the process of determining how us= er=20 needs are to be met or weighed down by a bureaucracy that was devised to me= et=20 yesterday's problems. Those who maintain/create the bureaucracy need to fin= d=20 ways of usig their accumulated wisdom to help recreate and reconfigure rath= er=20 than demand that others jump through hoops.=20 It was the failure of the **ix community to modify its relationship to its= =20 users that led to the rise of the poorer technology of microsoft. =20 Those of us within the Freebsd community need to grasp the fact that the=20 future of comuting applications lies increasingly in common framework centr= ic=20 approaches to processing that encompass common developmental and applicatio= n=20 interfaces. hence division by application type (which is how ports are=20 categorized) is not the way to go. >>I am sick to death of hearing the same old appeal based on "mot making an >> exception" which really means "I want to bury my head in the sand" and=20 >>stick to the old ways of doing things. >>And before anyone tells me -- yes I am angry. And will probably stay angry until some of the old guard begin to get it an= d=20 not just in this area. I do not want FreeBSD to finish up as just another carrier for Linux=20 applications. It is not enough to satisfy our existing user base. It is not= =20 enough to stick to the ways things have been done in the past. The ports system is fantastic BUT it is now showing its age.=20 The freedsd docs system is incredibly good but it does not provide context= =20 driven help. The freebsd install system is good but it does not have a user ventric=20 installation process. The configuration system needs a web interface. If all our energies go towards increasing system functionality rather then= =20 identifying how we can catching up on user convenience then in the battle f= or=20 tomorrow's users we will lose out to competition. Will will finish up satisfying our technological impulses and losing touch= =20 with our potential place in tomorrow's world My two pennorth david =2D-=20 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Tauru= s. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal afte= r=20 completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 21:28:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BC316A41F; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:28:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neuhauser@sigpipe.cz) Received: from isis.sigpipe.cz (fw.sigpipe.cz [62.245.70.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A9C43D6A; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:27:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neuhauser@sigpipe.cz) Received: by isis.sigpipe.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B7D1E1F87BFD; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:27:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:27:48 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Wes Peters , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, Norikatsu Shigemura , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051017212748.GD71766@isis.sigpipe.cz> Mail-Followup-To: Wes Peters , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, Norikatsu Shigemura , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051015053003.GB28137@soaustin.net> <4350CE50.8080704@ebs.gr> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> <20051017153024.GA23494@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051017153024.GA23494@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:28:01 -0000 # herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr / 2005-10-17 17:30:24 +0200: > [recipient list trimmed down] > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 06:55:25PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > That's exactly the point I was (and am) trying to argue against. I > > have to resort to 'make search' to find emacs tools these days > > because they've been thrown all over the ports system by well-meaning > > but misguided contributors, and I'd hate to see that happen to > > eclipse tools too. > > Greg (glewis@) already suggested to create a new *virtual* category for > Eclipse ports to ease the search of a port. That could do the trick... Wes said: "I have to resort to 'make search'" which presumably means he'd prefer to just ls /usr/ports/$emacs_category; while 'make search' is a bearable interface (FMPOV), you can't beat a ls. Hey, what about materialized virtual categories? A bunch of symlinks, and everyone's happy. Or is that too much for CVS? -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991 From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 22:05:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C931A16A420 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:05:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB3343D46 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:05:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t13so799434wxc for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:05:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b4ilNI8vSoL4K69W7TR+Q6jr4HWmUeGecPf72tVZ4hbzjAgXfAoqdW1Sq5mTFVAsWfEtZ2ULYl+SFv1FiQlGdnfkapvxo4GJxSAevdDdyXakUgCLYoljEOySW9d3Lb4VG7z1rmIPz+u0zjcScCZ5V8DS411yt7Ws/dhMFXQBcxs= Received: by 10.70.75.15 with SMTP id x15mr2588813wxa; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.53.4 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <790a9fff0510171505i4010cc05yc30f67d459d1a0e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:05:18 -0500 From: Scot Hetzel To: Wes Peters , freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20051017212748.GD71766@isis.sigpipe.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051015053003.GB28137@soaustin.net> <4350CE50.8080704@ebs.gr> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> <20051017153024.GA23494@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> <20051017212748.GD71766@isis.sigpipe.cz> Cc: Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:05:20 -0000 On 10/17/05, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > Wes said: "I have to resort to 'make search'" which presumably means > he'd prefer to just ls /usr/ports/$emacs_category; while 'make > search' is a bearable interface (FMPOV), you can't beat a ls. > > Hey, what about materialized virtual categories? A bunch of > symlinks, and everyone's happy. Or is that too much for CVS? > It would probably be too much for CVS to handle, instead someone could modify bsd.port.mk to create the virtual category directories and then symbolicly link the ports into these categories. The following could be added to bsd.port.mk virtualport: .for CATEGORY in ${CATEGORIES} .if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} mkdir ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} .endif .if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} ln -s ${.CURDIR} ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} .endif .endfor which would add the link for a specific port. The we would need to add a virtualports target (bsd.subdir.mk?) that would decend thru all the ports creating all the symbolic links (similar to the "make readmes" target used in /usr/ports/ ). Also there would need to be another target that would remove all the symbolic links, that way you could re-create them without worrying about removed symbolic links pointing to non-existant ports. NOTE: Non of this code has been tested. If you want this feature, work on improving the code and submitting it as a patch to the PR database for Ports Managers to accept/reject. Scot -- DISCLAIMER: No electrons were mamed while sending this message. Only slightly bruised. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 22:27:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F8A16A41F; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:27:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com [68.99.120.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256B843D45; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:27:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051017222715.BFRY2325.dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com@dns1>; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:27:15 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:22:14 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051017212748.GD71766@isis.sigpipe.cz> <790a9fff0510171505i4010cc05yc30f67d459d1a0e4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <790a9fff0510171505i4010cc05yc30f67d459d1a0e4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510171522.17180.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, Wes Peters , Scot Hetzel , freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:27:10 -0000 On Monday 17 October 2005 15:05, the author Scot Hetzel contributed to the dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >On 10/17/05, Roman Neuhauser wrote: >> Wes said: "I have to resort to 'make search'" which presumably means >> he'd prefer to just ls /usr/ports/$emacs_category; while 'make >> search' is a bearable interface (FMPOV), you can't beat a ls. >> >> Hey, what about materialized virtual categories? A bunch of >> symlinks, and everyone's happy. Or is that too much for CVS? > >It would probably be too much for CVS to handle, instead someone could >modify bsd.port.mk to create the virtual category directories and then >symbolicly link the ports into these categories. > >The following could be added to bsd.port.mk > >virtualport: >.for CATEGORY in ${CATEGORIES} >.if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} > mkdir ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} >.endif >.if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} > ln -s ${.CURDIR} ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} >.endif >.endfor > >which would add the link for a specific port. The we would need to >add a virtualports target (bsd.subdir.mk?) that would decend thru all >the ports creating all the symbolic links (similar to the "make >readmes" target used in /usr/ports/ ). > >Also there would need to be another target that would remove all the >symbolic links, that way you could re-create them without worrying >about removed symbolic links pointing to non-existant ports. > >NOTE: Non of this code has been tested. If you want this feature, work >on improving the code and submitting it as a patch to the PR database >for Ports Managers to accept/reject. > >Scot Would this provide an opportunity to have for example: /usr/ports/eclipse /usr/ports/eclipse/plugins/ so that the plugins could be selected for installation from make config in /usr/ports and manage the installation of the plugins (rather similar to what happens for php)? david >-- >DISCLAIMER: >No electrons were mamed while sending this message. Only slightly bruised. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 18 11:42:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AB216A41F; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:42:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F7A43D45; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:42:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9IBgc9V042101; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:42:38 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.158] (pc158.ebs.gr [10.1.1.158]) by ebs.gr (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j9IBgh4l066645; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:42:46 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Message-ID: <4354DF92.4050402@ebs.gr> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:42:10 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051008) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vizion References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051017212748.GD71766@isis.sigpipe.cz> <790a9fff0510171505i4010cc05yc30f67d459d1a0e4@mail.gmail.com> <200510171522.17180.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200510171522.17180.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, Wes Peters , Scot Hetzel , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:42:44 -0000 Vizion wrote: > On Monday 17 October 2005 15:05, the author Scot Hetzel contributed to the > dialogue on- > Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: > > >>On 10/17/05, Roman Neuhauser wrote: >> >>> Wes said: "I have to resort to 'make search'" which presumably means >>> he'd prefer to just ls /usr/ports/$emacs_category; while 'make >>> search' is a bearable interface (FMPOV), you can't beat a ls. >>> >>> Hey, what about materialized virtual categories? A bunch of >>> symlinks, and everyone's happy. Or is that too much for CVS? >> >>It would probably be too much for CVS to handle, instead someone could >>modify bsd.port.mk to create the virtual category directories and then >>symbolicly link the ports into these categories. >> >>The following could be added to bsd.port.mk >> >>virtualport: >>.for CATEGORY in ${CATEGORIES} >>.if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} >> mkdir ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} >>.endif >>.if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} >> ln -s ${.CURDIR} ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} >>.endif >>.endfor >> >>which would add the link for a specific port. The we would need to >>add a virtualports target (bsd.subdir.mk?) that would decend thru all >>the ports creating all the symbolic links (similar to the "make >>readmes" target used in /usr/ports/ ). >> >>Also there would need to be another target that would remove all the >>symbolic links, that way you could re-create them without worrying >>about removed symbolic links pointing to non-existant ports. >> >>NOTE: Non of this code has been tested. If you want this feature, work >>on improving the code and submitting it as a patch to the PR database >>for Ports Managers to accept/reject. >> >>Scot > > > > Would this provide an opportunity to have for example: > /usr/ports/eclipse > /usr/ports/eclipse/plugins/ > > so that the plugins could be selected for installation from make config > in /usr/ports and manage the installation of the plugins (rather similar to > what happens for php)? This can be done today, with an eclipse-plugins meta-port, similar to the php5-extensions one. I may even find some time to work on it. Cheers, Panagiotis From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 17 14:11:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A91516A41F; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:11:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr [139.124.41.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEED43D48; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:11:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9HEBcvg031514; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:11:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: (from rv@localhost) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j9HEBQxf031451; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:11:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) X-Authentication-Warning: arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr: rv set sender to herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr using -f Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:11:25 +0200 From: Herve Quiroz To: Achilleus Mantzios Message-ID: <20051017141125.GA25725@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Achilleus Mantzios , Wes Peters , tux@pinguru.net, wes@freebsd.org, freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Mark Linimon , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:04:25 +0000 Cc: Wes Peters , wes@freebsd.org, freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, tux@pinguru.net, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Mark Linimon , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:11:50 -0000 Hi Achilleus, On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 04:09:37PM +0300, Achilleus Mantzios wrote: > Perhaps i missed something, > but why all that bother with eclipse, when (at least) all the > java add-ons for it are easily managed by the tool itself? > > For possible JNI eclipse plugins (if any) a port definately > makes sense but for the majority (java) i think the community > over engineers the case instead of working on more vital issues > of the operation system. You are right this is becoming a huge issue while it should probably not. The main concern, IMHO, is that the 'java' category could disapear as a main category (a non-virtual category) some day. There are indeed several people (including me) who believe that it was a mistake in the first place and I am starting to think that me should effectively get rid of it before more and more ports are added into it. Take as an example the recent add of the java/eclipse-webtools port. We decided some time ago to avoid adding new ports in the 'java' physicial category when they are not *stricly* Java support-related (that is, JDK, Sun official libraries and APIs, and such tools). OTOH I can understand why Norikatsu just did commit the port in 'java' because all other Eclipse ports were already there. I believe that moving the ports that do not rely to core Java support from the 'java' main category would allow commiters to avoid such practices. That's why I agree with this whole "eclipse repocopy" concern. Now, I am probably not well aware of the actual use of each Eclipse package to be be the right person to decide whether we should have them all in the same main category or scattered all over the ports tree. But if I am to give my two cents on the topic, I believe that if we want to get rid of the "Java exception" (the only language with its own non-virtual category, no specific PKGNAMEPREFIX while perl, python and other have one...) we should not produce another exception, namely the "Eclipse exception". Hence I think we should do just the same as for the many other "applications with many modules" that exists in the tree (Emacs is IMHO a good example) and thus I think scattering them is a fine approach. To sum up, scatter them or put them in one single place, but please move them from the 'java' category once the ports tree slush is over. That will be 24 ports less to move when we decide to get rid of the non-virtual 'java' category and moreover this will allow new Eclipse ports to comply with the defined conventions for Java ports. Herve From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 18 14:35:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C157816A41F; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:35:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com [68.99.120.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744D243D48; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:35:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051018143555.OAUZ2325.dukecmmtao02.coxmail.com@dns1>; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:35:55 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:30:52 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <200510171522.17180.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <4354DF92.4050402@ebs.gr> In-Reply-To: <4354DF92.4050402@ebs.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510180730.56069.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, Wes Peters , Scot Hetzel , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:35:52 -0000 On Tuesday 18 October 2005 04:42, the author Panagiotis Astithas contributed to the dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >Vizion wrote: >> On Monday 17 October 2005 15:05, the author Scot Hetzel contributed to >> the dialogue on- >> >> Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >>>On 10/17/05, Roman Neuhauser wrote: >>>> Wes said: "I have to resort to 'make search'" which presumably means >>>> he'd prefer to just ls /usr/ports/$emacs_category; while 'make >>>> search' is a bearable interface (FMPOV), you can't beat a ls. >>>> >>>> Hey, what about materialized virtual categories? A bunch of >>>> symlinks, and everyone's happy. Or is that too much for CVS? >>> >>>It would probably be too much for CVS to handle, instead someone could >>>modify bsd.port.mk to create the virtual category directories and then >>>symbolicly link the ports into these categories. >>> >>>The following could be added to bsd.port.mk >>> >>>virtualport: >>>.for CATEGORY in ${CATEGORIES} >>>.if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} >>> mkdir ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} >>>.endif >>>.if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} >>> ln -s ${.CURDIR} ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} >>>.endif >>>.endfor >>> >>>which would add the link for a specific port. The we would need to >>>add a virtualports target (bsd.subdir.mk?) that would decend thru all >>>the ports creating all the symbolic links (similar to the "make >>>readmes" target used in /usr/ports/ ). >>> >>>Also there would need to be another target that would remove all the >>>symbolic links, that way you could re-create them without worrying >>>about removed symbolic links pointing to non-existant ports. >>> >>>NOTE: Non of this code has been tested. If you want this feature, work >>>on improving the code and submitting it as a patch to the PR database >>>for Ports Managers to accept/reject. >>> >>>Scot >> >> Would this provide an opportunity to have for example: >> /usr/ports/eclipse >> /usr/ports/eclipse/plugins/ >> >> so that the plugins could be selected for installation from make config >> in /usr/ports and manage the installation of the plugins (rather similar >> to what happens for php)? > >This can be done today, with an eclipse-plugins meta-port, similar to >the php5-extensions one. I may even find some time to work on it. Wow That is great That is what I have been arguing for for three months!! david > >Cheers, > >Panagiotis >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 18 15:21:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B3316A41F; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:21:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr [139.124.41.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C1E43D4C; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:21:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9IFLPQf016753; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:21:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: (from rv@localhost) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j9IFLOcR016752; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:21:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) X-Authentication-Warning: arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr: rv set sender to herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr using -f Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:21:24 +0200 From: Herve Quiroz To: Vizion Message-ID: <20051018152124.GA16544@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Vizion , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org, Wes Peters , Scot Hetzel , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <200510171522.17180.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <4354DF92.4050402@ebs.gr> <200510180730.56069.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200510180730.56069.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Wes Peters , Scot Hetzel , freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:21:29 -0000 On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 07:30:52AM -0700, Vizion wrote: > >This can be done today, with an eclipse-plugins meta-port, similar to > >the php5-extensions one. I may even find some time to work on it. > > Wow > > That is great > > That is what I have been arguing for for three months!! Yes, but you have been arguing for /usr/ports/eclipse and /usr/ports/eclipse/plugins which are both major changes to ports framework whereas php5-extensions is just a port as any other in the *existing* framework. And I remember suggesting something similar with a plugin support using MASTERDIR months ago. Anyway, if this is just a matter of having the same as lang/php5-extensions, I fully agree with the approach. Moreover, I am glad to see that we have come to agree on some point (although I don't know yet if people from freebsd-eclipse@ will effectively chose that particular approach). Now regarding the new non-virtual category, I think this goes beyond the scope of the freebsd-java@ team so I'll let others (freebsd-ports@ and probably portmgr@) deal with this new issue. FWIW, I remember some earlier discussion regarding the creation of a new category (IIRC it was about splitting 'net' into 'net-p2p' and such) where hundreds of ports were concerned and the discussion not only took a long time but as you can see these new categories never hit the ports tree. So I guess you'll have to be patient and explain your point in a much humble fashion than what you did for this eclipse plugin framework discussion. Herve From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 18 15:49:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE4716A420; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:49:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hq@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678CA43D45; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:49:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hq@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (hq@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9IFnCOF088740; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:49:12 GMT (envelope-from hq@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from hq@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j9IFnCUo088736; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:49:12 GMT (envelope-from hq) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:49:12 GMT From: Herve Quiroz Message-Id: <200510181549.j9IFnCUo088736@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk, hq@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org, hq@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/83434: www/jakarta-tomcat ports give the wrong ownership to their installed executables X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:49:12 -0000 Old Synopsis: tomcat ports give the wrong ownership to their installed executables New Synopsis: www/jakarta-tomcat ports give the wrong ownership to their installed executables State-Changed-From-To: feedback->open State-Changed-By: hq State-Changed-When: Tue Oct 18 15:44:20 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: Timeout Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-java->hq Responsible-Changed-By: hq Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Oct 18 15:44:20 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll handle this. This is the last improvement to be applied to www/jakarta-tomcat55 before we merge back all recent improvements into other Tomcat ports. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=83434 From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 18 15:50:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDAA16A420; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:50:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A896743D5C; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:50:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 237BA2FF5; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:50:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:50:22 -0500 To: Wes Peters Message-ID: <20051018155022.GC11790@soaustin.net> References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051015053003.GB28137@soaustin.net> <4350CE50.8080704@ebs.gr> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: edwin@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:50:24 -0000 On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 06:55:25PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > That's exactly the point I was (and am) trying to argue against. I > have to resort to 'make search' to find emacs tools these days > because they've been thrown all over the ports system by well-meaning > but misguided contributors, and I'd hate to see that happen to > eclipse tools too. Well, I was completely shocked to find out that 'emacs' is not a virtual category. This is clearly just a bug and needs to be fixed. This is especially more shocking since 'elisp', which should be a strict subset, is a virtual category: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/elisp.html Related note: as of a few hours ago, I've taken a first whack at what I feel is another part of this overall problem. The main ports web page at http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/ has always just presented the links to the various ports categories alphabetically in one huge list. IMHO that's just simply unreadable. What I've done now (with Edwin Groothius' help to do the actual implementation) is split them up by logical groups. While completely inadequate for 'true' browsing it is at least one piece of the puzzle. Adding 'emacs' and 'eclipse' virtual categories is something further that we could do quickly, for a fairly low cost, and get an immediate benefit from. mcl From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 18 16:01:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6670E16A41F; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:01:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com [68.99.120.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B733543D46; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:01:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051018160128.SWPK17511.lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com@dns1>; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:01:28 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:56:24 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <4354DF92.4050402@ebs.gr> <200510180730.56069.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200510180730.56069.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510180856.27998.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Wes Peters , Scot Hetzel , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:01:22 -0000 On Tuesday 18 October 2005 07:30, the author Vizion contributed to the dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >On Tuesday 18 October 2005 04:42, the author Panagiotis Astithas > contributed to the dialogue on- > > Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >>Vizion wrote: >>> On Monday 17 October 2005 15:05, the author Scot Hetzel contributed to >>> the dialogue on- >>> >>> Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >>>>On 10/17/05, Roman Neuhauser wrote: >>>>> Wes said: "I have to resort to 'make search'" which presumably means >>>>> he'd prefer to just ls /usr/ports/$emacs_category; while 'make >>>>> search' is a bearable interface (FMPOV), you can't beat a ls. >>>>> >>>>> Hey, what about materialized virtual categories? A bunch of >>>>> symlinks, and everyone's happy. Or is that too much for CVS? >>>> >>>>It would probably be too much for CVS to handle, instead someone could >>>>modify bsd.port.mk to create the virtual category directories and then >>>>symbolicly link the ports into these categories. >>>> >>>>The following could be added to bsd.port.mk >>>> >>>>virtualport: >>>>.for CATEGORY in ${CATEGORIES} >>>>.if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} >>>> mkdir ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} >>>>.endif >>>>.if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} >>>> ln -s ${.CURDIR} ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} >>>>.endif >>>>.endfor >>>> >>>>which would add the link for a specific port. The we would need to >>>>add a virtualports target (bsd.subdir.mk?) that would decend thru all >>>>the ports creating all the symbolic links (similar to the "make >>>>readmes" target used in /usr/ports/ ). >>>> >>>>Also there would need to be another target that would remove all the >>>>symbolic links, that way you could re-create them without worrying >>>>about removed symbolic links pointing to non-existant ports. >>>> >>>>NOTE: Non of this code has been tested. If you want this feature, work >>>>on improving the code and submitting it as a patch to the PR database >>>>for Ports Managers to accept/reject. >>>> >>>>Scot >>> >>> Would this provide an opportunity to have for example: >>> /usr/ports/eclipse >>> /usr/ports/eclipse/plugins/ >>> >>> so that the plugins could be selected for installation from make config >>> in /usr/ports and manage the installation of the plugins (rather similar >>> to what happens for php)? >> >>This can be done today, with an eclipse-plugins meta-port, similar to >>the php5-extensions one. I may even find some time to work on it. > >Wow > >That is great > >That is what I have been arguing for for three months!! > >david BTW If you get time would there be any chance you could set up the localized plugin archive so that it conforms with Eclipse's expectation for plugin installation. Up until now, on a multi-user system, each user has to bring plugins into their individual work directories. This has led to different users inadvertently working with different plugin versions. One of the reasons I want to get the /usr/ports/eclipse/ and /usrports/eclipse/plugins hierarchies working is to have a systenatic method of ensuring devellopers are working with identical plugin versions. The ports tree system provides an ideal method of monitoring the plugins. The other advantage of the meta-port is that we will be immediately able to bring the remaining 300 plugins into freebsd. This would be a great leap forward david > >>Cheers, >> >>Panagiotis >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 18 16:13:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F65916A41F; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:13:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dukecmmtao01.coxmail.com (dukecmmtao01.coxmail.com [68.99.120.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCB743D49; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:13:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by dukecmmtao01.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051018161332.UACQ7298.dukecmmtao01.coxmail.com@dns1>; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:13:32 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:08:22 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <200510180730.56069.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20051018152124.GA16544@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> In-Reply-To: <20051018152124.GA16544@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510180908.26798.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Wes Peters , Scot Hetzel , freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, Herve Quiroz , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:13:22 -0000 On Tuesday 18 October 2005 08:21, the author Herve Quiroz contributed to the dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 07:30:52AM -0700, Vizion wrote: >> >This can be done today, with an eclipse-plugins meta-port, similar to >> >the php5-extensions one. I may even find some time to work on it. >> >> Wow >> >> That is great >> >> That is what I have been arguing for for three months!! > >Yes, but you have been arguing for /usr/ports/eclipse and >/usr/ports/eclipse/plugins which are both major changes to ports >framework whereas php5-extensions is just a port as any other in the >*existing* framework. And I remember suggesting something similar with a >plugin support using MASTERDIR months ago. > >Anyway, if this is just a matter of having the same as >lang/php5-extensions, I fully agree with the approach. Moreover, I am >glad to see that we have come to agree on some point (although I don't >know yet if people from freebsd-eclipse@ will effectively chose that >particular approach). > >Now regarding the new non-virtual category, I think this goes beyond the >scope of the freebsd-java@ team so I'll let others (freebsd-ports@ and >probably portmgr@) deal with this new issue. FWIW, I remember some >earlier discussion regarding the creation of a new category (IIRC it was >about splitting 'net' into 'net-p2p' and such) where hundreds of ports >were concerned and the discussion not only took a long time but as you >can see these new categories never hit the ports tree. So I guess >you'll have to be patient and explain your point in a much humble >fashion than what you did for this eclipse plugin framework discussion. I just lost it -- for three months I have put up with being polite in response to knee jerk reactions about "not making exceptions" and repeated demonstrations of a mindset that does not understand the implications of framework centric computing. I remember all the ineffectual battles with system focussed people back in the early 70's and was horrified that we were unabole to counter the rise of MS because the **ix community was unable to wrest control of its development cycle from engineers and determine its future policy by reference to user requirements. I see this happening again. I would argue that the powerful combination of JVM and framework centric processing will make OS choice dependent upon how easy it is for the user to control everything via an interface like eclipse. I would like to see freebsd lead the way david > >Herve >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 18 16:46:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19ED916A41F; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:46:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C333043D49; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:46:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 50E202FFB; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:46:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:46:36 -0500 To: Vizion Message-ID: <20051018164636.GC14192@soaustin.net> References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <200510180730.56069.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20051018152124.GA16544@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> <200510180908.26798.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200510180908.26798.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:46:37 -0000 On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 09:08:22AM -0700, Vizion wrote: > was horrified that we were unable to counter the rise of MS because > the **ix community was unable to wrest control of its development > cycle from engineers and determine its future policy by reference > to user requirements. If you haven't noticed, almost everyone who provides FreeBSD to you is a _volunteer_. Most of them are engineers or developers or system administrators or the like. They work on FreeBSD mostly because they consider it A Neat Thing; there's no money, and not much glory, in it otherwise. If you, personally, want to set up an entity that develops a FreeBSD- based product with a feature set defined on a completely user-driven basis (e.g. something like a "Linux distro"), feel free to do so. IMHO you would be meeting a lot of people's needs. I would even hope that you could make a solid commercial entity out of it. If it had a good enough business model, I would probably even send you a resume. But in the meantime, while we try to _listen_ to what the users want, in the end of the day what gets _built_ is what any individual contributor wants to build -- for whatever their own motivations are. Simply repeating over and over again that the developers are to some extent "bad guys" for not immediately changing the way that the code is set up to suit you personally is not going to provide any extra positive motivation to these individuals. But I suspect this point is going to be lost on you, because you seem to want it free, and your way, and right now. To the extent that that's true, I predict that you are going to continue to be very frustrated and unhappy with FreeBSD -- or, for that matter, any other community-based effort. Let me know if you get that funding together, I honestly think it would be an interesting project. mcl From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 18 17:14:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6214A16A41F; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:14:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9EC43D48; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:14:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.228.72.239.dial1.denver1.level3.net ([4.228.72.239] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ERv2W-0005VB-00; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:14:17 -0400 Message-ID: <43552DA8.1060002@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:15:20 -0600 From: Phil Helms User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Linimon References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <200510180730.56069.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20051018152124.GA16544@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> <200510180908.26798.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20051018164636.GC14192@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20051018164636.GC14192@soaustin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Vizion Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: phelms1@mindspring.com List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:14:20 -0000 It might be worth checking out the DragonFly BSD project: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/main/ Mark Linimon wrote: > > If you, personally, want to set up an entity that develops a FreeBSD- > based product with a feature set defined on a completely user-driven > basis (e.g. something like a "Linux distro"), feel free to do so. IMHO > you would be meeting a lot of people's needs. I would even hope that you > could make a solid commercial entity out of it. If it had a good enough > business model, I would probably even send you a resume. > -- Phil Helms phelms1@mindspring.com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 18 17:26:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DE116A41F; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:26:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com [68.99.120.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E76B43D46; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:26:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051018172620.VMIA17511.lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com@dns1>; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:26:20 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:21:16 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <200510180908.26798.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20051018164636.GC14192@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20051018164636.GC14192@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510181021.19354.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Mark Linimon , freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:26:14 -0000 On Tuesday 18 October 2005 09:46, the author Mark Linimon contributed to the dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 09:08:22AM -0700, Vizion wrote: >> was horrified that we were unable to counter the rise of MS because >> the **ix community was unable to wrest control of its development >> cycle from engineers and determine its future policy by reference >> to user requirements. > >If you haven't noticed, almost everyone who provides FreeBSD to you >is a _volunteer_. Most of them are engineers or developers or system >administrators or the like. They work on FreeBSD mostly because they >consider it A Neat Thing; there's no money, and not much glory, in it >otherwise. I know that -- from my own experience and contributions to the freebsd ports system. My view is that the validity of a particular point of view does not depend upon how much or how little someone has contributed to the community. Therefore I do not believe my contributions are relevant nor are arguemnts mande any better or any worse by the quality od contributions in other areas. I happen to believe that we are both, in this dialogue, making a contribution to FreeBSD. > >If you, personally, want to set up an entity that develops a FreeBSD- >based product with a feature set defined on a completely user-driven >basis (e.g. something like a "Linux distro"), feel free to do so. IMHO >you would be meeting a lot of people's needs. I would even hope that you >could make a solid commercial entity out of it. If it had a good enough >business model, I would probably even send you a resume. This sounds to me like the argument about if you have an argument with this governemnt you should go amnd live elsewhere.. sorry I do not buy that argument. I have been a freebsd user and contributor since its early days and am not in a hurry to go elsewhere. > >But in the meantime, while we try to _listen_ to what the users want, in >the end of the day what gets _built_ is what any individual contributor >wants to build -- for whatever their own motivations are. Agreed.. and this is where the dilemna comes in. The issue is do we build for users or for ourselves. To my mind there is an intelligent middle road. Something for ourselves and something for the wider commuity. That means having an eye on the needs of the users of tomorrow. This debate is to my mind a healthy oner fopr the FreeBSD community I will not make any apology for pursuing it-- because I believe it FreeBSD needs to concentrate on becoming more user focus and less technologically focussed. I aso make no apology for getting mad-- I do regard rule based responses such as -- we cant make an exception-- as narrow minded BS.. BUt hey that is not a good idea because {good reason focused on meeting user need} get my full attention! > >Simply repeating over and over again that the developers are to some >extent "bad guys" for not immediately changing the way that the code is >set up to suit you personally is not going to provide any extra positive >motivation to these individuals. Do not put me there -- I am a developer myself.. My comments are directed not at developers as a class - but at a mindset of certain developers who, with the best of intentions, see technology as a self sufficient discipline rather than seeing technology as a tool to serve the rest of the community. The former tends to look to the existing system to decide what is best to do next - the latter look to the needs of the external world. > >But I suspect this point is going to be lost on you, because you seem >to want it free, and your way, and right now. Please do not put words in my mouth -- I want decisions based upon the merit of the argument not on the inertia of precedent. So if I need to argue against the inertia will make no apology for doing so. >To the extent that that's >true, I predict that you are going to continue to be very frustrated and >unhappy with FreeBSD -- or, for that matter, any other community-based >effort. Who says I am unhappy with freebsd. after all I use it extensively and am installing it on another twelve machines during the next year. I find the community mutually helpful and enjoy it. I do get frustrated at times -- but frustration is good - you need to realise that my energy comes from a realization that we need to make good things even better - and not get hung up on yesterdays ways of doing things > >Let me know if you get that funding together, I honestly think it would >be an interesting project. Thanks -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 19 08:23:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A7F16A41F; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:23:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99FA43D45; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:23:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9J8NY9V045810; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:23:34 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.158] (pc158.ebs.gr [10.1.1.158]) by ebs.gr (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j9J8Njks084252; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:23:46 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Message-ID: <4356026F.9020000@ebs.gr> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:23:11 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051008) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vizion References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <4354DF92.4050402@ebs.gr> <200510180730.56069.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200510180856.27998.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200510180856.27998.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, Wes Peters , Scot Hetzel , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:23:37 -0000 Vizion wrote: > On Tuesday 18 October 2005 07:30, the author Vizion contributed to the > dialogue on- > Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: > > >>On Tuesday 18 October 2005 04:42, the author Panagiotis Astithas >>contributed to the dialogue on- >> >>Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >> >>>Vizion wrote: >>> >>>>On Monday 17 October 2005 15:05, the author Scot Hetzel contributed to >>>>the dialogue on- >>>> >>>> Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >>>> >>>>>On 10/17/05, Roman Neuhauser wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Wes said: "I have to resort to 'make search'" which presumably means >>>>>> he'd prefer to just ls /usr/ports/$emacs_category; while 'make >>>>>> search' is a bearable interface (FMPOV), you can't beat a ls. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, what about materialized virtual categories? A bunch of >>>>>> symlinks, and everyone's happy. Or is that too much for CVS? >>>>> >>>>>It would probably be too much for CVS to handle, instead someone could >>>>>modify bsd.port.mk to create the virtual category directories and then >>>>>symbolicly link the ports into these categories. >>>>> >>>>>The following could be added to bsd.port.mk >>>>> >>>>>virtualport: >>>>>.for CATEGORY in ${CATEGORIES} >>>>>.if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} >>>>> mkdir ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY} >>>>>.endif >>>>>.if not exist ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} >>>>> ln -s ${.CURDIR} ${PORTSDIR}/${CATEGORY}/${PORTNAME} >>>>>.endif >>>>>.endfor >>>>> >>>>>which would add the link for a specific port. The we would need to >>>>>add a virtualports target (bsd.subdir.mk?) that would decend thru all >>>>>the ports creating all the symbolic links (similar to the "make >>>>>readmes" target used in /usr/ports/ ). >>>>> >>>>>Also there would need to be another target that would remove all the >>>>>symbolic links, that way you could re-create them without worrying >>>>>about removed symbolic links pointing to non-existant ports. >>>>> >>>>>NOTE: Non of this code has been tested. If you want this feature, work >>>>>on improving the code and submitting it as a patch to the PR database >>>>>for Ports Managers to accept/reject. >>>>> >>>>>Scot >>>> >>>>Would this provide an opportunity to have for example: >>>>/usr/ports/eclipse >>>>/usr/ports/eclipse/plugins/ >>>> >>>>so that the plugins could be selected for installation from make config >>>>in /usr/ports and manage the installation of the plugins (rather similar >>>>to what happens for php)? >>> >>>This can be done today, with an eclipse-plugins meta-port, similar to >>>the php5-extensions one. I may even find some time to work on it. >> >>Wow >> >>That is great >> >>That is what I have been arguing for for three months!! >> >>david > > > BTW > > If you get time would there be any chance you could set up the localized > plugin archive so that it conforms with Eclipse's expectation for plugin > installation. > > Up until now, on a multi-user system, each user has to bring plugins into > their individual work directories. This has led to different users > inadvertently working with different plugin versions. One of the reasons I > want to get the /usr/ports/eclipse/ and /usrports/eclipse/plugins hierarchies > working is to have a systenatic method of ensuring devellopers are working > with identical plugin versions. The ports tree system provides an ideal > method of monitoring the plugins. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. Eclipse plugins are stored in the 'features' and 'plugins' subdirectories. They are also cached in the .eclipse folder in the user's home directory. If a user somehow ends up with a corrupted cache, there is always the -clean invocation of eclipse that recreates it. If the problem you encountered stems from the default permissions on the eclipse directory, you could always change them to fit your needs (I know I do). Cheers, Panagiotis From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 18 14:48:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF4916A420; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com [68.99.120.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C048B43D45; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051018144822.QLMI17511.lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com@dns1>; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:48:22 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:43:13 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> <20051017141125.GA25725@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> In-Reply-To: <20051017141125.GA25725@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510180743.21623.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:34:44 +0000 Cc: Wes Peters , wes@freebsd.org, freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, tux@pinguru.net, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, Mark Linimon , Herve Quiroz , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:16 -0000 On Monday 17 October 2005 07:11, the author Herve Quiroz contributed to the dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >Hi Achilleus, > >On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 04:09:37PM +0300, Achilleus Mantzios wrote: >> Perhaps i missed something, >> but why all that bother with eclipse, when (at least) all the >> java add-ons for it are easily managed by the tool itself? >> >> For possible JNI eclipse plugins (if any) a port definately >> makes sense but for the majority (java) i think the community >> over engineers the case instead of working on more vital issues >> of the operation system. > >You are right this is becoming a huge issue while it should probably >not. > >The main concern, IMHO, is that the 'java' category could disapear as a >main category (a non-virtual category) some day. There are indeed >several people (including me) who believe that it was a mistake in the >first place and I am starting to think that me should effectively get >rid of it before more and more ports are added into it. Take as an >example the recent add of the java/eclipse-webtools port. We decided >some time ago to avoid adding new ports in the 'java' physicial category >when they are not *stricly* Java support-related (that is, JDK, Sun >official libraries and APIs, and such tools). OTOH I can understand why >Norikatsu just did commit the port in 'java' because all other Eclipse >ports were already there. I believe that moving the ports that do not >rely to core Java support from the 'java' main category would allow >commiters to avoid such practices. That's why I agree with this whole >"eclipse repocopy" concern. > >Now, I am probably not well aware of the actual use of each Eclipse >package to be be the right person to decide whether we should have them >all in the same main category or scattered all over the ports tree. But >if I am to give my two cents on the topic, I believe that if we want to >get rid of the "Java exception" (the only language with its own >non-virtual category, no specific PKGNAMEPREFIX while perl, python and >other have one...) we should not produce another exception, namely the >"Eclipse exception". Hence I think we should do just the same as for the >many other "applications with many modules" that exists in the tree >(Emacs is IMHO a good example) and thus I think scattering them is a >fine approach. There is a very practical reason for not scattering. The '"lets not make an exception" argument misses the point. Can not the practical needs of users rather than precedent be our guide here? Eclipse and other emerging framework centric computing environments are essentially different from traditional application centric computing. If we try and shoehorn franework centric ports into a ports system which is designed for application centric computing we are not giving equal weight to disparate needs. Framework centric environments are different and need different treatment. > >To sum up, scatter them or put them in one single place, but please move >them from the 'java' category once the ports tree slush is over. I agree eclipse does not belong in the java category - it, and any other subsantial framework centric port needs its own category. >That >will be 24 ports less to move when we decide to get rid of the >non-virtual 'java' category and moreover this will allow new Eclipse >ports to comply with the defined conventions for Java ports. > >Herve >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 19 16:00:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFFB16A41F; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:00:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from iang@iang.org) Received: from mf1.sonance.net (mx2.sonance.net [62.116.45.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBBE43D46; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:00:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from iang@iang.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mf1.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6864A1400E; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:52:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mf1.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mf1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16493-03; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:52:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from postix.sonance.net (zentrix [192.168.0.223]) by mf1.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB1A13EC7; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:52:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postix.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCAE17B46E; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from postix.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zentrix [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24489-07; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6???1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postix.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694EA17B45C; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:52:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <43539EB0.5010005@iang.org> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:53:04 +0100 From: Ian G Organization: http://iang.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050921) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wes Peters References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <20051015053003.GB28137@soaustin.net> <4350CE50.8080704@ebs.gr> <5739E97B-7EDC-4971-9EA5-01A44688A981@softweyr.com> <43522953.6050700@ebs.gr> <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> In-Reply-To: <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at sonance.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at example.com X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:39:05 +0000 Cc: tux@pinguru.net, wes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon , Panagiotis Astithas , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:00:28 -0000 (To all) Wes Peters wrote: > That's exactly the point I was (and am) trying to argue against. I > have to resort to 'make search' to find emacs tools these days because > they've been thrown all over the ports system by well-meaning but > misguided contributors, and I'd hate to see that happen to eclipse > tools too. As the directory structure imposes Big->Small naming on the ports, and this is always going to be inadequate. Many ports will have multiple namings and multiple ways of indexing that make lots of sense. The directory structure gives one indexing and one name only though. The problem is not where Eclipse or a plugin is located, rather, it is that the directory structure cannot support anything more complex than the simplest naming schemes. Moving Eclipse does not change this, only improving the search tools can help here. So what is needed is something that deals with: searchports eclipse plugin python or somesuch. iang From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 20 17:53:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07CB16A41F for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:53:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tomasv@megalogika.lt) Received: from megalogika.stp.lt (megalogika.stp.lt [193.219.52.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4389B43D6A for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:53:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tomasv@megalogika.lt) Received: from pilvas.lan (pilvas.lan [192.169.1.78]) by megalogika.stp.lt (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67262428 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:53:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: by pilvas.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3397D40D5; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:53:28 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:53:28 +0300 From: Tomas Verbaitis To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051020175328.GA7205@megalogika.lt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY" Content-Disposition: inline X-URL: http://blog.hardcore.lt/ve/ X-PGP-Key: http://hardcore.lt/ve/pubkey.txt X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: E8FB 7C13 99D9 ABDE 0494 B9F6 4D9C F010 881D 3A26 X-nic-hdl: TV13-LT User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Subject: Tomcat 5.5 startup and shutdown.. again X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tomasv@megalogika.lt List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:53:30 -0000 --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ahoj! I looked through the new Tomcat startup script and noticed it does not really interact with tomcat55ctl program: * rcNG script uses org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap both for starting and stopping; therefore it does not honor /var/run/tomcat55.pid * tomcat55ctl uses org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap to start Tomcat, to stop it just sends a SIGTERM to the running process. Having both tools available can create some mess: you can launch at least two copies of Tomcat using both tools, you can not stop Tomcat launched with rcNG script using tomcat55ctl and vice versa. Then i checked org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina and found that it doesn't do anything spectacular at shutdown: it just calls stop(), which is also called when CatalinaShutdownHook() is run. Hence, i assume, it's equally safe to stop Tomcat by sending it a SIGTERM. This would also simplify rcNG script, as it could use default /etc/rc.subr functions. Proposed patch follows: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --- tomcat.sh.in.orig Wed Sep 14 15:30:23 2005 +++ tomcat.sh.in Thu Oct 20 20:18:32 2005 @@ -98,18 +98,11 @@ log_args=3D">> ${jakarta_tomcat%%TOMCAT_VERSION%%_stdout_log} \ 2>> ${jakarta_tomcat%%TOMCAT_VERSION%%_stderr_log} " =20 -procname=3D"java" +procname=3D"%%JAVA_HOME%%/bin/java" +pidfile=3D"/var/run/tomcat%%TOMCAT_VERSION%%.pid" required_files=3D"${jakarta_tomcat%%TOMCAT_VERSION%%_catalina_home}/conf/s= erver.xml" =20 command=3D"/usr/sbin/daemon" -flags=3D"${command} ${java_command} start ${jakarta_tomcat%%TOMCAT_VERSION= %%_flags} ${log_args}" - -stop_cmd=3D"jakarta_tomcat%%TOMCAT_VERSION%%_stop" - -jakarta_tomcat%%TOMCAT_VERSION%%_stop() { - echo "Stopping ${name}." - ${java_command} stop - wait_for_pids -} +flags=3D"-p ${pidfile} ${java_command} start ${jakarta_tomcat%%TOMCAT_VERS= ION%%_flags} ${log_args}" =20 run_rc_command "$1" =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --- Makefile.orig Thu Sep 29 18:08:23 2005 +++ Makefile Thu Oct 20 20:35:40 2005 @@ -64,7 +64,8 @@ TOMCAT_HOME=3D${APP_HOME} \ USER=3D${TOMCAT_USER} \ STDOUT_LOG=3D${STDOUT_LOG} \ - STDERR_LOG=3D${STDERR_LOG} + STDERR_LOG=3D${STDERR_LOG} \ + JAVA_HOME=3D${JAVA_HOME} =20 REPLACE_FILES+=3D ${PKGDIR}/pkg-install \ ${PKGDIR}/pkg-deinstall =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D If port maintainers think it makes sense, i can file a PR, so this proposal does not get forgotten -- Herve promised not to touch tomcat55 until other Tomcat ports are fixed, so it can take time :) --=20 Tomas "Verbaitis" Verbaitis ** http://megalogika.lt * =C5=A1ita gudri be=C5=BEd=C5=BEion=C4=97 moka dirbti su kompiuteriu * --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDV9mXTZzwEIgdOiYRAgMyAJ4lHEMhusH4mCSIEv6svnqu1BR/CwCfQu6w Y5bcslY1Su9YGkfYGhbVoXo= =CBFH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY-- From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 20 22:15:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8B716A41F for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:15:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr [139.124.41.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273D843D5A for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:15:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9KMFnWe004083; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:15:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: (from rv@localhost) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j9KMFnaY004082; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:15:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) X-Authentication-Warning: arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr: rv set sender to herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr using -f Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:15:48 +0200 From: Herve Quiroz To: Tomas Verbaitis Message-ID: <20051020221548.GA3979@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Tomas Verbaitis , freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <20051020175328.GA7205@megalogika.lt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051020175328.GA7205@megalogika.lt> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tomcat 5.5 startup and shutdown.. again X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:15:53 -0000 Hi Tomas, On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 08:53:28PM +0300, Tomas Verbaitis wrote: > Having both tools available can create some mess: you can launch at > least two copies of Tomcat using both tools, you can not stop Tomcat > launched with rcNG script using tomcat55ctl and vice versa. Indeed. > Then i checked org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina and found that it > doesn't do anything spectacular at shutdown: it just calls stop(), which > is also called when CatalinaShutdownHook() is run. Hence, i assume, it's > equally safe to stop Tomcat by sending it a SIGTERM. > > This would also simplify rcNG script, as it could use default > /etc/rc.subr functions. That's a good idea IMHO. Anyway, there seem to be a problem with your patch (although I have not tested it yet). > --- tomcat.sh.in.orig Wed Sep 14 15:30:23 2005 > +++ tomcat.sh.in Thu Oct 20 20:18:32 2005 > -procname="java" > +procname="%%JAVA_HOME%%/bin/java" [...] > --- Makefile.orig Thu Sep 29 18:08:23 2005 > +++ Makefile Thu Oct 20 20:35:40 2005 > @@ -64,7 +64,8 @@ > + JAVA_HOME=${JAVA_HOME} Here you define ${procname} to be hardcoded from a JAVA_HOME value in the port. This JAVA_HOME is set at install time but the rcNG script allows to override JAVA_HOME at run-time: jakarta_tomcat%%TOMCAT_VERSION%%_java_home What will happen if the JAVA_HOME from port install stage and the one set in rc.conf are different? > If port maintainers think it makes sense, i can file a PR, so this > proposal does not get forgotten -- Herve promised not to touch tomcat55 > until other Tomcat ports are fixed, so it can take time :) Well, I assume you refer to my last PR change-state. Actually I plan to make sure that the refactored www/jakarta-tomcat55 port is in good shape and that community had time to test it before we merge its improvements into the other tomcat ports. I think we need to first fix the security issues that Jan Grant pointed out. But if you can find a way to fix the problem I outlined above and depending on the maintainer's approval regarding this, I can commit this as well. Herve From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 21 07:00:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE4416A41F for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:00:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tomasv@megalogika.lt) Received: from megalogika.stp.lt (megalogika.stp.lt [193.219.52.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6375C43D45 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:00:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tomasv@megalogika.lt) Received: from pilvas.lan (pilvas.lan [192.169.1.78]) by megalogika.stp.lt (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907B1428; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:00:13 +0300 (EEST) Received: by pilvas.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5D8C94358; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:00:12 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:00:12 +0300 From: Tomas Verbaitis To: Herve Quiroz Message-ID: <20051021070012.GA6786@megalogika.lt> References: <20051020175328.GA7205@megalogika.lt> <20051020221548.GA3979@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051020221548.GA3979@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> X-URL: http://blog.hardcore.lt/ve/ X-PGP-Key: http://hardcore.lt/ve/pubkey.txt X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: E8FB 7C13 99D9 ABDE 0494 B9F6 4D9C F010 881D 3A26 X-nic-hdl: TV13-LT User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tomcat 5.5 startup and shutdown.. again X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tomasv@megalogika.lt List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:00:44 -0000 --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 12:15:48AM +0200, Herve Quiroz wrote: > Anyway, there seem to be a problem with your patch (although I have not > tested it yet). >=20 > > --- tomcat.sh.in.orig Wed Sep 14 15:30:23 2005 > > +++ tomcat.sh.in Thu Oct 20 20:18:32 2005 > > -procname=3D"java" > > +procname=3D"%%JAVA_HOME%%/bin/java" > [...] > > --- Makefile.orig Thu Sep 29 18:08:23 2005 > > +++ Makefile Thu Oct 20 20:35:40 2005 > > @@ -64,7 +64,8 @@ > > + JAVA_HOME=3D${JAVA_HOME} > Here you define ${procname} to be hardcoded from a JAVA_HOME value in > the port. This JAVA_HOME is set at install time but the rcNG script > allows to override JAVA_HOME at run-time: >=20 > jakarta_tomcat%%TOMCAT_VERSION%%_java_home =20 Defining ${procname} to $JAVA_HOME_AT_INSTALL_TIME/bin/java is needed so that rcNG script finds Tomcat instance launched by tomcat55ctl. Therefore it suffers from the same problem as daemonctl.c where %%JAVA_HOME%% is also set at port install time. > What will happen if the JAVA_HOME from port install stage and the one > set in rc.conf are different? In this case we get the initial situation again -- rcNG script deals with one instance of tomcat, tomcat55ctl with another.=20 I still think my proposed change still should be applied as it at least gets the default situation right, when both tomcat55ctl and rcNG script refer to the same JVM. The "administrative" approach to this problem would be only to put a warning near the place where jakarta_tomcat%%TOMCAT_VERSION%%_java_home is defined. "Technically" i aggree that it's better to get rid of tomcat55ctl as a program, no matter how convenient and usual it was. --=20 Tomas "Verbaitis" Verbaitis ** http://megalogika.lt * =C5=A1ita gudri be=C5=BEd=C5=BEion=C4=97 moka dirbti su kompiuteriu * --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDWJH8TZzwEIgdOiYRAjzNAJsFD27a33pfwI0GISv+cUp9IUhoSwCgw7jg mSzEhVnS+wKaYolvmruFCoU= =yUI6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 21 12:19:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1362C16A41F for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:19:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from audiocollage@sbcglobal.net) Received: from web80810.mail.yahoo.com (web80810.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.170.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9C8443D46 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:19:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from audiocollage@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 56251 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2005 12:19:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BcXHq0iC2eOOfixfvd5Pu/YAZZ5nkCylA27rdW9Ax0AHP+ZeO4k/55TlQF3mVv7k5Wgb5g6XCc97V9NmAUHR3d/7RZh2VgTKFCBStDxV6rTgW47nJeke3gl6Oc5T2CkiWJ55Z2R+aFPyRhRP253b3Qqa2Hngnq5a6VVNHtnzz6A= ; Message-ID: <20051021121953.56249.qmail@web80810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.54.8.45] by web80810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:19:53 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:19:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tanya N kessler To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Help: Install JDK 1.5 on FreeBSD 5.4 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:19:54 -0000 Hello, I've been all over the web trying to find help on installing JDK15 on a FreeBSD 5.4 AMD64 machine. This is my last stop before I give up. Fresh install of FreeBSD w/ports updated. LINUX_COMPAT enabled in kernel with linprocfs set in fstab. Dowloaded all source, binary, and patches into /usr/ports/distfiles I need to know the exact steps to take. When I go /usr/ports/java/jdk15 and type "make" this is what I get: fi execv(): Bad address Error trying to exec /usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/bin/javac. Check if file exists and permissions are set correctly. gmake[3]: *** [.compile.classlist] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/java/jdk15/work/j2se/make/java/java' gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/java/jdk15/work/j2se/make/java' gmake[1]: *** [all] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/java/jdk15/work/j2se/make' gmake: *** [j2se-build] Error 2 *** Error code 2 I was told by someone that I need to install linux-sun-jdk14, so I went to do that. It said it was already installed. I've been searching on the web and everyone says this error is cause csh can not support such a long javac command. Someone told me that I need the linux-java-bootstrap, but I don't know what that is. I also tried to build JDK14 and got the same error above. Can someone please tell me the exact steps to take when installing Native JDK15 on a fresh install of FreeBSD 5.4 AMD64. Please help a fellow BSD'er in distress, Tom From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 20 16:13:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2643F16A41F; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:13:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com [68.99.120.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252E343D64; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:13:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051020161331.KEMB25114.lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com@dns1>; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:13:31 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:08:15 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200510150015.j9F0ExKr085847@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <1B8112AF-8C0E-4BA0-8D1C-DA6AD529F327@softweyr.com> <43539EB0.5010005@iang.org> In-Reply-To: <43539EB0.5010005@iang.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510200908.24006.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:45:42 +0000 Cc: Wes Peters , wes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org, mitsuru@riken.jp, tux@pinguru.net, Norikatsu Shigemura , rtdean@cytherianage.net, sugimura@jp.FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, Mark Linimon , Panagiotis Astithas , Ian G Subject: Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:13:25 -0000 On Monday 17 October 2005 05:53, the author Ian G contributed to the dialogue on- Re: [SUGGEST] Reform eclipse and eclipse related ports: >(To all) > >Wes Peters wrote: >> That's exactly the point I was (and am) trying to argue against. I >> have to resort to 'make search' to find emacs tools these days because >> they've been thrown all over the ports system by well-meaning but >> misguided contributors, and I'd hate to see that happen to eclipse >> tools too. > >As the directory structure imposes Big->Small naming >on the ports, and this is always going to be inadequate. >Many ports will have multiple namings and multiple >ways of indexing that make lots of sense. The directory >structure gives one indexing and one name only though. > >The problem is not where Eclipse or a plugin is located, >rather, it is that the directory structure cannot support >anything more complex than the simplest naming schemes. So what could be more simple than /usr/ports/eclipse? > >Moving Eclipse does not change this, only improving >the search tools can help here. So what is needed >is something that deals with: > > searchports eclipse plugin python > >or somesuch. > >iang > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 21 13:58:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7506616A420 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:58:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from audiocollage@sbcglobal.net) Received: from web80801.mail.yahoo.com (web80801.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.170.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 184C543D45 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:58:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from audiocollage@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 12898 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2005 13:58:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qE1SYYtKGt1DyQE2rwO52MDMxSwLpziQ59zpQYc9A5u6WCzb3ws7vB1RVqV36HkH0rKwY8pvH30ILI5+AIvvT2Mx6XxpAWP8O9WipNtXixRRYsgVt2c8xnWU1xDYKnjhRFT+KKj61kPvKGFacpYRk+FUiOWxGAmbH35jyI4qS+I= ; Message-ID: <20051021135833.12896.qmail@web80801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.54.8.45] by web80801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:58:33 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tanya N kessler To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Help: Install JDK 1.5 on FreeBSD 5.4 AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:58:34 -0000 I tried to install linux-sun-jdk14, it said it's already installed. I go to make jdk15 and I get the error seen below. Victor Vacaretu wrote: This has been already discussed in the list. Install first the linux-sun-jdk1.4.2 as this will be the bootstrapper jdk1.5 will be compiled with. Victor Vacaretu Hello Tanya, Friday, October 21, 2005, 3:19:53 PM, you wrote: > Hello, > I've been all over the web trying to find help on installing > JDK15 on a FreeBSD 5.4 AMD64 machine. This is my last stop before I > give up. > Fresh install of FreeBSD w/ports updated. > LINUX_COMPAT enabled in kernel with linprocfs set in fstab. > Dowloaded all source, binary, and patches into /usr/ports/distfiles > I need to know the exact steps to take. When I go > /usr/ports/java/jdk15 and type "make" this is what I get: > fi > execv(): Bad address > Error trying to exec /usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/bin/javac. > Check if file exists and permissions are set correctly. > gmake[3]: *** [.compile.classlist] Error 1 > gmake[3]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/java/jdk15/work/j2se/make/java/java' > gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 1 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/java/jdk15/work/j2se/make/java' > gmake[1]: *** [all] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/java/jdk15/work/j2se/make' > gmake: *** [j2se-build] Error 2 > *** Error code 2 > I was told by someone that I need to install linux-sun-jdk14, so > I went to do that. It said it was already installed. I've been > searching on the web and everyone says this error is cause csh can > not support such a long javac command. Someone told me that I need > the linux-java-bootstrap, but I don't know what that is. I also > tried to build JDK14 and got the same error above. Can someone > please tell me the exact steps to take when installing Native JDK15 > on a fresh install of FreeBSD 5.4 AMD64. > Please help a fellow BSD'er in distress, > Tom > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Best regards, Victor mailto:freebsd@vimore.com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 22 04:17:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB9B16A41F for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:17:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rich_b71@yahoo.com) Received: from web50212.mail.yahoo.com (web50212.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F231943D4C for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:17:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rich_b71@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 40614 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2005 04:17:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=g+0nMZfyi6QGIayKKbzc3h3Jk7SCGzqftE+dBFBJqFzkrE9MhgI0YJdrIe2LurDJzlVa/ZZpA92N4VT5Ge/SlzIU/0QNnD+T490nu2JWD2iRCkbV0EBk2VNrOhry7WG/XcVJi2/6Hh5HYCMLD+bvBjRC4kkbi/A1Za5DVylw3rI= ; Message-ID: <20051022041704.40612.qmail@web50212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.153.145.70] by web50212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:17:04 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:17:04 -0700 (PDT) From: rich b To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: not a programmer - want to make a FreeBSD port - need programmers X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:17:05 -0000 i have an idea for a FreeBSD port but am not skilled enough to do it myself. the existing ports don't have what i'm looking for. my estimated project completion time is 6 months, subject to change. 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