From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 16:12:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0447F16A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:12:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from speedydemon@shadowdev.org) Received: from mail08.powweb.com (mail08.powweb.com [66.152.97.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA64D43D5D for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:12:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from speedydemon@shadowdev.org) Received: from webmail.shadowdev.org (powweb02.powweb.com [66.152.97.134]) by mail08.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CD3A2985 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from 67.101.81.97 (SquirrelMail authenticated user speedydemon) by webmail.shadowdev.org with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:12:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <63553.67.101.81.97.1136391140.squirrel@webmail.shadowdev.org> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:12:20 -0800 (PST) From: "James Cornell" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: FreeBSD as a Desktop Article X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: speedydemon@shadowdev.org List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:12:21 -0000 Hello. Long time FreeBSD user, new to the advocacy mailing list. I've written a nice article about desktop adoption elaborating on 4 solutions which need work on FreeBSD. (Java, Flash, Real, Acrobat) http://www.shadowdev.org/?p=24 This is an advocacy article, explaining that these titles are available, but require some degree of effort. All other needs are taken care of with FreeBSD via ports. Sincerely, James Cornell http://www.shadowdev.org/ http://www.unixdevil.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 17:45:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA6116A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:45:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (lerami.lerctr.org [192.147.25.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF72E43D69 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:44:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lerami; d=lerctr.org; b=mtuSAtJ1dLXKzhLJvDOMvisRw/7k15uRVVf6eWiDAoZ8ycmY4NqajdLNI90SRruzFVsioa4h4US7/s/eQIRBLzveppJMPsXQZWcKM9YsfvW65HIEFUdodrkwd5nPycdY2LKM+aSPDfghuuQ5fPCCxNrIQdw+sRRiEjru0XgDkHg=; Received: from 64-132-13-2.gen.twtelecom.net ([64.132.13.2]:42148 helo=LROSENMAC8010P) by lerami.lerctr.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EuCgu-0006e4-61 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:44:54 -0600 From: "Larry Rosenman" To: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:44:54 -0600 Message-ID: <002e01c61156$922fbea0$0a0a0a0a@aus.pervasive.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYRVpHlRJRUWBRfQrSnor11j9KnEw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-LERCTR-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Spam-Report: (-4.4 points, 5.0 required) ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8 BAYES_00=-2.599 DK_POLICY_SIGNSOME=0.001 X-LERCTR-Spam-Report: (-4.4 points, 5.0 required) ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8 BAYES_00=-2.599 DK_POLICY_SIGNSOME=0.001 DomainKey-Status: no signature Subject: Market penetration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:45:11 -0000 I was asked the following question, and didn't know where to turn: So, can anybody point me to some adoption statistics about BSD? I'd like to help my $EMPLOYER support FreeBSD, but that question keeps coming up. Any help here? Thanks, LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 512-248-2683 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 430 Valona Loop, Round Rock, TX 78681-3893 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 19:09:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054CC16A429 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:09:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bschonhorst@vcsnyc.org) Received: from sanddollar.geekisp.com (sanddollar.geekisp.com [204.89.131.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF3D43D48 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:09:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bschonhorst@vcsnyc.org) Received: (qmail 16098 invoked by uid 1003); 4 Jan 2006 19:09:16 -0000 Received: from amazon.vcsnyc.org (HELO ?10.100.5.5?) (bschonhorst@vcsnyc.org@216.223.202.2) by mail.geekisp.com with (RC4-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 19:09:16 -0000 In-Reply-To: <002e01c61156$922fbea0$0a0a0a0a@aus.pervasive.com> References: <002e01c61156$922fbea0$0a0a0a0a@aus.pervasive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <67118AC2-8704-4D79-8856-9DD8F7D4D605@vcsnyc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brad Schonhorst Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:12:52 -0500 To: Larry Rosenman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Market penetration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:09:21 -0000 On Jan 4, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Larry Rosenman wrote: > I was asked the following question, and didn't know where to turn: > > So, can anybody point me to some adoption statistics about BSD? > > I'd like to help my $EMPLOYER support FreeBSD, but that question keeps > coming up. > > Any help here? Hey Larry- Check out BSD Success Stories compiled by Dru Lavigne. There is a copy available at the NYCBUG website: http://nycbug.org/index.php?NAV=Library&SUBM=70 The BSD Certification Group published results of a survey of BSD users. This may help give your employer an idea of who is using BSD and what for. http://bsdcertification.org/index.php?NAV=News&Item=pr020 -brad ------------------------------------- Brad Schonhorst Network Administrator Village Community School From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 23:06:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3228016A422 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:06:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cramon@roullier.net) Received: from mx1.roullier.net (mx1.roullier.net [83.206.33.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A258243D7F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:06:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cramon@roullier.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.roullier.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with ESMTP id k04NYVti027929 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:34:31 +0100 Received: from mx1.roullier.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27806-02 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:34:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from goulphar.roullier.net ([10.201.0.151]) by mx1.roullier.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with ESMTP id k04NYU4R027926 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:34:30 +0100 Received: from roullier.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goulphar.roullier.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id k04NKZMl002495 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:20:36 +0100 Received: from 10.201.0.200 (proxying for 81.250.139.147) (SquirrelMail authenticated user cramon) by goulphar.roullier.net with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:20:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <48233.10.201.0.200.1136416836.squirrel@goulphar.roullier.net> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:20:36 +0100 (CET) From: "Christophe RAMON" To: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at roullier.net X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:00:57 +0000 Subject: New logo and business acceptance X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:06:48 -0000 I read that "A new logo for FreeBSD should make the product more acceptable fo business purposes". Do IT professionals really choose an OS (or not) partly because of its logo ? Should ORACLE (and others) be more interested in porting their products to FreeBSD when beastie leaves the scene ? I think it is dangerous (at least for the survival of our favorite mascot !) to have a logo (the result of the contest) and a mascot (good old beastie) at the same time ... Shouldn't FreeBSD community keep beastie as the mascot and "FreeBSD" (written in whatever style or police, like ORACLE, IBM and so many others do) for its logo ? Hide the devil if it helps FreeBSD advocacy, but don't kill it ! From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 11:03:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2915F16A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:03:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BFD43D45 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:03:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so2010260wxc for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 03:03:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Aj+GXux3KtJcPiC4m7MblWRSaLZx+b71gUra1IzXE/xqCX8wRB3nVr//mS/5kzqVeT9xSjBBMZxAd/JPm0W/Kka+xKIx4xfkmaT8v7kA8ZjH4CShB0jd5TA9SiKQYth2hfOvUOTt3fJ59/54KRl/O90VIxuZiBkSwAWSxqJgk/8= Received: by 10.70.100.13 with SMTP id x13mr1856377wxb; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 03:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.66.9 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:03:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:03:03 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton To: Larry Rosenman In-Reply-To: <002e01c61156$922fbea0$0a0a0a0a@aus.pervasive.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002e01c61156$922fbea0$0a0a0a0a@aus.pervasive.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Market penetration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:03:05 -0000 On 1/4/06, Larry Rosenman wrote: > I was asked the following question, and didn't know where to turn: > > So, can anybody point me to some adoption statistics about BSD? > > I'd like to help my $EMPLOYER support FreeBSD, but that question keeps > coming up. > > Any help here? > Security through obscurity etc... You and the world don't need to know what's behind the curtain.... I bet most administrators agree with this and is one of the many reasons the BSD userbase is hard to pin down. It also doesn't help market share that you could setup a BSD box and it will run forever, without any help from you. I have BSD boxes running at clients locations that they don't even know about. I just throw it in a closet and let it run. Anyways I compiled some stuff that might help you: "The freebsd.org site is hosted with Yahoo, which is the largest user of FreeBSD among hosting companies, with more than 261k active sites. FreeBSD has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003. The reason for this is FreeBSD's deployment with the operators of shared hosting systems, where tens and even hundreds of thousands of sites are collectively administered as part of a single system." -Netcraft Mac OS X is, without question, a BSD operating system. It has very strong ties to FreeBSD, 4.4BSD, and the other BSD implementations. It's global market share is estimated to be between 3 and 5%, Linux based systems have yet to beat Apples market share. http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/ http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/advancedtechnology.html http://www.apple.com/science/ http://www.apple.com/science/profiles/vatech2/ http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-freebsd/ "The FreeBSD operating system is the unknown giant among free operating systems. Starting out from the 386BSD project, it is an extremely fast UNIX(r)-like operating system mostly for the Intel(r) chip and its clones. In many ways, FreeBSD has always been the operating system that GNU/Linux(r)-based operating systems should have been." -IBM http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/consult_bycat.html http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/hardware.html http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/misc.html http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/software_bycat.html FreeBSD's Mirrors (that run FreeBSD servers): ACS Ltd. Assertive Technologies Inc. African Network Information Center Business Communication Agency, Ltd. CHINANET Hunan province network Charles University Citylink Colegio das Artes Dansk Unix-system Bruger Gruppe Dataphone Communication Networks Democritus University of Thrace Easynet Limited Federal University of Rio de Janeiro Gamma Ltd. Global Center Japan HKNet Company Limited Hoshin Gigamedia Center Inc. Hostarica, S.A. IMG SRC, Inc. Intercom Online, Inc. Internet Systems Consortium, Inc IsproNET Internet Services Korea Telecom Ksu-provector Kopings Kabel-TV AB University of Vienna Lucky Net Ltd. Lulea Institute of Technology Micronet, Inc. Marmara University Massachusetts Institute of Technology AS MicroLink Holdings Miskolci Egyetem / University of Miskolc NIIF NTT America, Inc. National Technical University of Athens NeoWiz Corp Netcrew ry Helsinki Finland Northern Taiwan Community University PLiG Organisation KDDI / POWEREDCOM, Inc. PT Cyberindo Aditama / CBN Pavilion Internet plc QiX Limited RCN Corporation SAS Institute siconline SURIS/RHnet Iceland University Research Network Samsung Networks Center for Scientific Research in Chernogolovka SPRI (Sociedad para la Promocion y Reconversion Industrial) T-Online TANet (Taiwan Academic Network) Tau Ceti Co-operative Limited Technische Universitaet Clausthal, Rechenzentrum Telstra Corporation Limited Tiscali S.p A. Tomato Interactive S.r.l. UUNET Technologies, Inc. UkrNet Ltd. UniNet UNINETT Universidad Nacional de Buenos Aires Universidade Estadual de Campinas Universit=E9 d'Angers University of Manchester University of Tromso University of Virginia VIA NET.WORKS Nederland B.V. Viawest Internet Services W Net ISP Vienna University of Economics and Business Administration Yahoo Inc. iNES GROUP SRL n@work Internet Informationssysteme GmbH Misc.: Hewlett-Packard/Compaq pair Networks http://www.soekris.com/ http://www.logicsupply.com/default.php/cPath/73 http://www.a-enterprise.ch/content/m0n0wall.htm From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 12:43:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D2416A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:43:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9618B43D55 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:43:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05ChYpc023293; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:43:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <43BD1470.2070703@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:43:28 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051026 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Rosenman References: <002e01c61156$922fbea0$0a0a0a0a@aus.pervasive.com> In-Reply-To: <002e01c61156$922fbea0$0a0a0a0a@aus.pervasive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Market penetration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:43:42 -0000 Larry Rosenman wrote: >I was asked the following question, and didn't know where to turn: > >So, can anybody point me to some adoption statistics about BSD? > >I'd like to help my $EMPLOYER support FreeBSD, but that question keeps >coming up. > >Any help here? > >Thanks, >LER > > > Canonical examples include Yahoo! and Walnut Creek CDROM, which ran the largest FTP server in the world "back in the day". The Hotmail operation also ran on FreeBSD at one time, and that situation still brings grins to many pundits, as Microsoft continued to run the FreeBSD Hotmail farm for an humorously arguable amount of time on FreeBSD after their acquisition of Hotmail. More contemporary examples in the "hosting" business (uri's may wrap): http://uptime.netcraft.net/perf/reports/Hosters?orderby=os_name will get you six or seven good ones. The "top hosters" in November included 3 companies running Linux and 3 running FreeBSD: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/12/14/hostway_most_reliable_hoster_in_november.html Perhaps the most pertinent resource I can think of ATM (directly relating to your request): A slightly older article from mid-2004 with some "market penetration" stats and a short list of top hosters using FreeBSD: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/06/07/nearly_25_million_active_sites_running_freebsd.html Unfortunately, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, Netcraft has ceased its emphasis on "OS platform" and concentrates more exclusively on web server software in its automated surveys of late. HTH, Kevin Kinsey -- If everybody minded their own business, the world would go around a deal faster. -- The Duchess, Through the Looking Glass From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 13:53:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A497D16A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:53:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joseph.koshy@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C3A43D66 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:53:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joseph.koshy@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so2033497wxc for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:53:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q2iBhm+BXt/939+9yYx8RotbEYiGyUxA76of2qHKzQPxby+Gtr3DXfql21cGyM50slqMKq44Bwr4jR1LDKGg86b9XWgFdT3UouhoqI3lRlNjyQmsPZPlmj0FshRPFNL8mcQulEk4coslusIGvl3WEUoh0e361PBv5BzZOvGZhnw= Received: by 10.70.122.16 with SMTP id u16mr2052392wxc; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:53:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.105.2 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:53:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <84dead720601050553y4cfdcf89uf3d8ac65f4f4e8c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:23:55 +0530 From: Joseph Koshy To: Kevin Kinsey In-Reply-To: <43BD1470.2070703@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002e01c61156$922fbea0$0a0a0a0a@aus.pervasive.com> <43BD1470.2070703@daleco.biz> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Market penetration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:53:57 -0000 > So, can anybody point me to some adoption statistics about > BSD? There is the whole embedded market to consider too. For "BSD", Wasabi Systems specializes in NetBSD based solutions. There are a number of companies that have products based on FreeBSD or portions of FreeBSD, but I don't remember offhand if there is an organization offering (commercial) support for embedded FreeBSD. -- FreeBSD Volunteer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 14:08:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F77816A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:08:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC0843D46 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:08:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so2035499wxc for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:08:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BTLeiE76Auc785ePhdYR3udZcEPsu83Ox6DPcvh6iF/uzojfMs7nGTVuaqSECKtsY07VBpogcSO60ddWhgYKGDK4scXg48wzLMxlaI+hG6gHi4HajUjuwSEVxNEqz9Kp+ys31Ap9YZAZ28mC41Hx9jGvTwvv5r3vVJ4q0sBDJjQ= Received: by 10.70.109.10 with SMTP id h10mr11638663wxc; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.66.9 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:08:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:08:39 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton To: speedydemon@shadowdev.org In-Reply-To: <63553.67.101.81.97.1136391140.squirrel@webmail.shadowdev.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <63553.67.101.81.97.1136391140.squirrel@webmail.shadowdev.org> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a Desktop Article X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:08:41 -0000 On 1/4/06, James Cornell wrote: > Hello. Long time FreeBSD user, new to the advocacy mailing list. I've > written a nice article about desktop adoption elaborating on 4 solutions > which need work on FreeBSD. (Java, Flash, Real, Acrobat) > > http://www.shadowdev.org/?p=3D24 > > This is an advocacy article, explaining that these titles are available, > but require some degree of effort. All other needs are taken care of wit= h > FreeBSD via ports. > I just read it... What are we going to do about it? Personally I'm tired of sun java and I think I'm going to start weekly builds of java 1.5 for public download.... and don't get me started with Flash, I can't even get that thing to install/working correctly, when it did work it enjoyed crashing Firefox all the time... Has anyone tried some type of petition to get a native version? never mind, I just made one so go sign it!!! http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 14:29:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7E016A420; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:29:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gabor.kovesdan@t-hosting.hu) Received: from server.t-hosting.hu (server.t-hosting.hu [217.20.133.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEAB43D5C; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:29:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gabor.kovesdan@t-hosting.hu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D744099827A; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:29:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from server.t-hosting.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.t-hosting.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 65564-05-2; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:29:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [80.98.231.227] (catv-5062e7e3.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.231.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178E899827C; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:29:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43BD2D46.5040502@t-hosting.hu> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:29:26 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6vesd=E1n_G=E1bor?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton References: <63553.67.101.81.97.1136391140.squirrel@webmail.shadowdev.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, speedydemon@shadowdev.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a Desktop Article X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:29:40 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: >On 1/4/06, James Cornell wrote: > > >>Hello. Long time FreeBSD user, new to the advocacy mailing list. I've >>written a nice article about desktop adoption elaborating on 4 solutions >>which need work on FreeBSD. (Java, Flash, Real, Acrobat) >> >>http://www.shadowdev.org/?p=24 >> >>This is an advocacy article, explaining that these titles are available, >>but require some degree of effort. All other needs are taken care of with >>FreeBSD via ports. >> >> >> > >I just read it... What are we going to do about it? Personally I'm >tired of sun java and I think I'm going to start weekly builds of java >1.5 for public download.... and don't get me started with Flash, I >can't even get that thing to install/working correctly, when it did >work it enjoyed crashing Firefox all the time... Has anyone tried some >type of petition to get a native version? > >never mind, I just made one so go sign it!!! >http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html > > I've signed it and posted it to a Hungarian open-source community, but I think it would be nice if somebody from the doc team can add it to the news on the website, so I cc'd freebsd-doc@, I hope this helps geting Adobe to release a working Flash for FreeBSD. Regards, Gabor Kovesdan From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 16:27:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD9016A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:27:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@vonostingroup.com) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ritamari.vonostingroup.com [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAE543D60 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:27:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@vonostingroup.com) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=[192.168.1.33]) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EuXxf-000Nbt-HB; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:27:35 -0500 Message-ID: <43BD48F2.2090609@vonostingroup.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:27:30 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6vesd=E1n_G=E1bor?= References: <63553.67.101.81.97.1136391140.squirrel@webmail.shadowdev.org> <43BD2D46.5040502@t-hosting.hu> In-Reply-To: <43BD2D46.5040502@t-hosting.hu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.2.0 OpenPGP: url=http://www.franksworld.org/~laszlof/keys/0x0B3FCA4B.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vonostingroup.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, speedydemon@shadowdev.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a Desktop Article X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:27:54 -0000 Kövesdán Gábor wrote: > Nikolas Britton wrote: > >> On 1/4/06, James Cornell wrote: >> >> never mind, I just made one so go sign it!!! >> http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html >> >> > I've signed it and posted it to a Hungarian open-source community, but > I think it would be nice if somebody from the doc team can add it to > the news on the website, so I cc'd freebsd-doc@, I hope this helps > geting Adobe to release a working Flash for FreeBSD. > > Regards, > > Gabor Kovesdan Not to rain on the parade, but since when has one of those online petitions done any good? __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 17:26:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F6216A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:26:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from timgreeningjackson@gmail.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE9743D68 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:26:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from timgreeningjackson@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o2so243064uge for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:26:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:to:subject:date:organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index:from:message-id; b=mzX1Fo4me5ivnq0nFgYGN9lFnkiGoVON5GwKVZbDEbT1bUTXkTi+ByDt7R54G7NsBVXyc53k+ShVhPrHTHPg+2K1kooNF5c57Lcbs09KjKgQnQHKQncf/jMUlA2AMKqsu6otahqAyItyKiYCKz0vwV+dcrm7k0jvY9KfUhw7Hvo= Received: by 10.66.218.15 with SMTP id q15mr3121722ugg; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:26:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from tordella ( [213.106.189.79]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id u1sm9945852uge.2006.01.05.09.26.21; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:26:45 -0800 (PST) To: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:26:22 -0000 Organization: Shellike Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <48233.10.201.0.200.1136416836.squirrel@goulphar.roullier.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcYRix/nzs0NLzYbRy+wVZWyUtXyKgAkW73A From: Tim Greening-Jackson Message-ID: <43bd56d5.7f1bd5bf.6be7.ffffa22e@mx.gmail.com> Subject: RE: New logo and business acceptance X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:26:58 -0000 Hey Christophe! I hate to say it, but a logo is exactly the sort of superficial nonsense that would help. You would be amazed how a lot of decision-makers think (I speak as one who has spent several years working for various marketing departments). Years ago I knew that DEC were doomed when they announced with great fanfare that they had changed their logo from purple to blue (or was it the other way round) because blue was a "business to business color". If logos, straplines etc. can sell all the products we don't need, think what they could do to FreeBSD ;). Tim Manchester, UK > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Christophe RAMON > Sent: 04 January 2006 23:21 > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: New logo and business acceptance > > I read that "A new logo for FreeBSD should make the product more > acceptable fo business purposes". Do IT professionals really choose an OS > (or not) partly because of its logo ? Should ORACLE (and others) be more > interested in porting their products to FreeBSD when beastie leaves the > scene ? > I think it is dangerous (at least for the survival of our favorite mascot > !) to have a logo (the result of the contest) and a mascot (good old > beastie) at the same time ... Shouldn't FreeBSD community keep beastie as > the mascot and "FreeBSD" (written in whatever style or police, like > ORACLE, IBM and so many others do) for its logo ? > Hide the devil if it helps FreeBSD advocacy, but don't kill it ! > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 19:20:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92B916A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:20:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E925843D6B for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:20:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05JK3VV030728 for ; 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Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:16:56 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05JGukN026887; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:16:56 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200601051916.k05JGukN026887@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:16:56 GMT From: Annonymous To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: advocacy/91357: investigate university of pretoria Veterinary faculty X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:20:15 -0000 >Number: 91357 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: investigate university of pretoria Veterinary faculty >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jan 05 19:20:02 GMT 2006 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Annonymous >Release: >Organization: Annonymous >Environment: >Description: >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 19:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFA316A41F; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:28:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5743843D45; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:28:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05JSGGe030984; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:28:16 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k05JSGI9030980; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:28:16 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:28:16 GMT From: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <200601051928.k05JSGI9030980@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Annonymous@FreeBSD.org, linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, linimon@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: advocacy/91357: investigate university of pretoria Veterinary faculty X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:28:25 -0000 Synopsis: investigate university of pretoria Veterinary faculty State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: linimon State-Changed-When: Thu Jan 5 19:27:49 UTC 2006 State-Changed-Why: not a PR. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-advocacy->linimon Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Jan 5 19:27:49 UTC 2006 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=91357 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 01:08:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E4016A41F for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:08:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74D343D49 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:08:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so2127281wxc for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:08:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Igfv+ZNtJtHuvAiK665D/iRcLZXFxcLsnZGwdKF0a5kmXbXwtwtoUjnx7p6FPCdPE8g4G1jEunUuJI4o+YsAZZtB/texsvFR4KRn9jMVoGG6q2t/tuGm3rlHz6kvIHVS8qhlT/ah5NXG/8aE5d0adf3D7hahFAYfTo7GpFXea1E= Received: by 10.70.102.19 with SMTP id z19mr74287wxb; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.66.9 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:08:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:08:37 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton To: Frank Laszlo In-Reply-To: <43BD48F2.2090609@vonostingroup.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <63553.67.101.81.97.1136391140.squirrel@webmail.shadowdev.org> <43BD2D46.5040502@t-hosting.hu> <43BD48F2.2090609@vonostingroup.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, speedydemon@shadowdev.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6vesd=E1n_G=E1bor?= Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a Desktop Article X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 01:08:38 -0000 On 1/5/06, Frank Laszlo wrote: > > > K=F6vesd=E1n G=E1bor wrote: > > Nikolas Britton wrote: > > > >> On 1/4/06, James Cornell wrote: > >> > >> never mind, I just made one so go sign it!!! > >> http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html > >> > >> > > I've signed it and posted it to a Hungarian open-source community, but > > I think it would be nice if somebody from the doc team can add it to > > the news on the website, so I cc'd freebsd-doc@, I hope this helps > > geting Adobe to release a working Flash for FreeBSD. > > > > Regards, > > > > Gabor Kovesdan > > Not to rain on the parade, but since when has one of those online > petitions done any good? > It may be trivial but at least I did something to rectify it. Talking about are problems will get us nowhere unless we also do. Do you have a better plan of action? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 11:14:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1228716A41F for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:14:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smitheebsd@googlemail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD9443D45 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:14:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smitheebsd@googlemail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 8so3415486nzo for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 03:14:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=nU8j0JYDuBV8J+HZtA2YRX79ZKd6kdUTuQxS6/oFiqbk0De7P1ZyHgSOQxPMi9+N/rYfleo8XyZ14EzuvYlQMCDX76JEjJKvaYRCEoVCVIL7DYxOp+1R3T4LyslGHRMOeol5pFYtyMQaHwkBLAyQQG6spB4ipHRjOr67ou75fWY= Received: by 10.36.250.72 with SMTP id x72mr120825nzh; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 03:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.2.4 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:14:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:14:17 +0000 From: Alan Smithee To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Mail originating from FreeBSD servers spam-blocked by large organization X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:14:19 -0000 Hi, A friend works for a large organization, and a number of recent emails to them from me were not received - and did not generate any sort of bounce message. After confirming successful delivery of these to their servers in my logs and eliminating things such as mistaken inclusion of my server IP i= n one of the black hole lists, we followed up with their administrators and were told that a mail filter rule was in place to block and hold all incoming email with the string 'freebsd' in the headers. Naturally, this was rather disturbing, so we responded with an explanation of how what FreeBSD was, how it is commonly used for legitimate email servers by ISPs and companies, and how it is a relatively unlikely source for email spam compared to (say) Windows. To this we received a response indicating that the security department of this organization had requested this block, and that they felt that it should remain in place for the time being. The security department is responsible for protecting from everything from standard worms and trojans to professional malicious attacks, and it is har= d to tell where on this scale their reasoning is for blocking email originating from FreeBSD servers. It is highly unlikely that they would discuss any specific reasons. Naturally, I think this is a rather draconian defense, of limited practical use. Please forgive the lack of detail about the organization in question, and my use of a pseudonym for this email - the organization has some very good reasons for being extremely careful about its security and would take = a dim view of having any of its measures discussed in public, even if they ar= e dumb ones. Does anyone have any advice? In particular, I would be keen to obtain any statistics or references for organizations that use FreeBSD to host their email servers. Thanks, An anonymous FreeBSD advocate (if that's not a contradiction in terms) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 12:55:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9E716A41F for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:55:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A570743D46 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:55:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 31678 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 12:55:41 -0000 Received: from maxwell6.pacific.net.sg (203.120.90.212) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 12:55:41 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([210.24.122.211]) by maxwell6.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20060106125540.HOST16871.maxwell6.pacific.net.sg@[192.168.0.107]>; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:55:40 +0800 Message-ID: <43BE68A2.50901@pacific.net.sg> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:54:58 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051204) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Smithee References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail originating from FreeBSD servers spam-blocked by large organization X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:55:44 -0000 Hi, Alan Smithee wrote: > > Naturally, I think this is a rather draconian defense, of limited practical they should block e-mails written by Outlook clients. > Does anyone have any advice? In particular, I would be keen to obtain any > statistics or references for organizations that use FreeBSD to host their > email servers. The problem could be linked to Hotmail and Yahoo. Hotmail was FreeBSD and Yahoo should still be FreeBSD. Both are commonly used for spamming. Erich From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 13:15:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5476216A41F for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:15:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh2.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B8843D49 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:15:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by mh2.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06DFgrI078388; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:15:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <43BE6D6A.3000306@centtech.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:15:22 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20060104) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erich Dollansky References: <43BE68A2.50901@pacific.net.sg> In-Reply-To: <43BE68A2.50901@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1232/Fri Jan 6 05:04:05 2006 on mh2.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Alan Smithee Subject: Re: Mail originating from FreeBSD servers spam-blocked by large organization X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:15:45 -0000 Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > Alan Smithee wrote: > >> >> Naturally, I think this is a rather draconian defense, of limited >> practical > > > they should block e-mails written by Outlook clients. > >> Does anyone have any advice? In particular, I would be keen to >> obtain any >> statistics or references for organizations that use FreeBSD to host >> their >> email servers. > > > The problem could be linked to Hotmail and Yahoo. Hotmail was FreeBSD > and Yahoo should still be FreeBSD. > > Both are commonly used for spamming. This thread should be cc'ed or reposted to the freebsd-isp@ mailing list - there are lots of admins and such there that can act as a reference for this kind of misinformation about FreeBSD. Whatever organization this is (and I presume possibly a .gov), should really re-evaluate their means of blocking mail, and maybe do a little research first. If they are blocking based on the word freebsd then who knows what else they think is evil.. Yikes. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 09:23:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318D416A422 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:23:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from twickline@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E2B43D68 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:23:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from twickline@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 9so3499016nzo for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:23:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=A8a1YaWCpAZgevUlXDGI8t4MkD6779q2+nPElssKW06f0hmy63USrkYZJotgxaYeRDo5JaTKntAcQ2mgrn7SY0RtAJtZWHbjf8PQpqLq3XE5eUKO8oZiR6ZW/eDNVk4SjyXpFy6E8VPGtyIhqRol9XqhHyMwlqkShpz+JQlJXJc= Received: by 10.36.56.13 with SMTP id e13mr9339797nza; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.46.15 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 01:23:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <53e3a9930601070123m5b77f983l4a976b01139d1b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 04:23:46 -0500 From: Tom Wickline To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Microsoft Offfice on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:23:57 -0000 Hello, I have put together a small MS Office on BSD via Wine Howto here: http://wiki.winehq.org/Office-BSD?action=3Dshow Tom From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 13:55:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F85416A41F for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:55:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0382A43D48 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:55:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so2327688wxc for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 05:55:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aYuBMROIw64rSfiKFP0JvmHgpDCiYNE44CxjQwuvyJFZzqURiOUHONbpeRJ++TsqhhfqPF27Qmr1IETinwShqsxsc0rOylrifPqP1PT9nztzEFBMhdDRJ/UC2anO0pYlST0f4WaB3Z21qozC5y/erAhQ21x488QQ+V9cBEDicEg= Received: by 10.70.122.16 with SMTP id u16mr4172500wxc; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 05:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.66.9 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:55:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:55:30 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Signatures needed, petition for native Flash player. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:55:31 -0000 Hello all, I need everyone on the lists to go sign the petition for Macromedia to make a FreeBSD native version of their Flash player. I also need everyone to help spread the word so we can get more sigs. http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html Discussion of this topic should take place on the freebsd-advocacy mailing list, please don't cross-post: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy Thank you. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 17:09:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEEA16A41F for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:09:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@pilchuck.reedmedia.net) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B3943D45 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:09:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@pilchuck.reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local (Exim 4.44) id 1EvHYt-0001u1-Nd; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:09:03 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:09:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Nikolas Britton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: "Jeremy C. Reed" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Signatures needed, petition for native Flash player. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:09:05 -0000 On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: > I need everyone on the lists to go sign the petition for Macromedia to > make a FreeBSD native version of their Flash player. I also need I rarely use Macromedia. Does it have an open specification(s)? If not, is it worth encouraging its continued use? I see there is a GPL'd Flash that has this webpage: http://gplflash.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/LegalSituation What about instead having a petition to encourage companies and websites to use some open specification like SVG? I see there are many websites mentioning "SVG versus Flash". Jeremy C. Reed Media Relations and Publishing Services http://www.reedmedia.net/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 17:26:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249B816A41F for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:26:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734AB43D48 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:26:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=grokwell.org) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1EvHps-0007aI-Ox for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:26:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:26:37 -0600 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060107112637.6994440f@grokwell.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.13 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcb131febf4f09bdc0eb2a1559f078b564350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 Subject: Macromedia Flash for FreeBSD petition X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:26:38 -0000 I have read, and signed the online petition for Flash at: http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html I'm not sure that telling Macromedia that people will not switch to FreeBSD until FreeBSD has Flash will be very persuasive. Macromedia (probably) does not care about FreeBSD. They may care, however, that media created using Flash cannot reach a certain market. This devalues Flash to web developers. My comment in the petition is that I will not switch from FreeBSD simply for Flash. Andrew From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 18:04:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C75F16A41F for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:04:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from schitzo.solgatos.com (c-67-168-241-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net [67.168.241.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A511D43D48 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:04:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (uucp@localhost) by schitzo.solgatos.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id k07I5DQ10789 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:05:13 -0800 Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id SAA09949; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:02:20 GMT Message-Id: <200601071802.SAA09949@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:02:20 +0000 From: Dieter Subject: petition for native Flash player X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:04:57 -0000 A binary release, while useful to some, would only be useful for one platform. And would have to be installed in a chroot jail for security reasons. FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD and Linux run on many hardware platforms. Thus the only reasonable solution is a reader/player in source code. Until then, many people, myself included, will not use flash. Webs sites that are flash only will lose customers, and flash will not be as successful as it could be. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 18:16:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6957E16A420 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:16:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ac@miensk.com) Received: from server.nsurl.com (nsurl.com [69.50.196.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B58843D72 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:16:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ac@miensk.com) Received: from [195.50.4.174] (helo=[192.168.100.15]) by server.nsurl.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EvIcL-0005m2-Ov for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:16:42 -0700 Message-ID: <43C01044.5080600@miensk.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:02:28 +0200 From: ac User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 MultiZilla/1.6.4.0b X-Accept-Language: be, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <200601071802.SAA09949@sopwith.solgatos.com> In-Reply-To: <200601071802.SAA09949@sopwith.solgatos.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.nsurl.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - miensk.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: petition for native Flash player X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:16:51 -0000 Dieter wrote: >A binary release, while useful to some, would only be useful for one platform. >And would have to be installed in a chroot jail for security reasons. >FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD and Linux run on many hardware platforms. Thus the only >reasonable solution is a reader/player in source code. Until then, many people, >myself included, will not use flash. > To say frankly, those people (including you and even plus me) are not so numerous. We're still in the world where Windows dominates. So the following statement doesn't seem to be right: >Webs sites that are flash only will lose >customers, and flash will not be as successful as it could be. > >