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References 1. http://www.piles.gr/themes/piles/images/.sec/www.wellsfargo.com/updateyouracount/index.html?wellsfargo.comlogin.uersr 2. http://www.piles.gr/themes/piles/images/.sec/www.wellsfargo.com/updateyouracount/index.html?wellsfargo.comlogin.uersr 3. http://mail.yahoo.com/config/login?/ym/Compose?To=myershh@wellsfargo.com 4. http://www.wellsfargo.com/about/about.jhtml 5. http://www.wellsfargo.com/employment 6. http://www.wellsfargo.com/privacy_security/email_fraud/report.jhtml 7. http://www.wellsfargo.com/privacy_security/index.jhtml 8. http://www.wellsfargo.com/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 9 01:03:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C5416A403; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3150C43D49; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:03:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2421A291AFE; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:03:09 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48946-09; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:02:49 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FB9291B0E; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:02:35 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 464A75CFA9; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:02:45 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449BF357A1; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:02:45 -0300 (ADT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:02:45 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:03:15 -0000 Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 9 01:20:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A5E16A407 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from omr4.networksolutionsemail.com (omr4.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49C243D58 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:20:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr4.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.67]) by omr4.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k891KRU1019939 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 21:20:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 29270 invoked by uid 78); 9 Sep 2006 01:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.1.1.60?) (racerx@makeworld.com@71.113.144.239) by ns-omr4.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 01:20:27 -0000 Message-ID: <450216D5.202@makeworld.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:20:21 -0500 From: Chris User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060904) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=C01BC363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: racerx@makeworld.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:20:29 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push > the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting > from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... > > Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > I think someone is playing games. I saw Korea put up 40 plus boxen in under 10 mins. And between Net, Open and DF, there are only a few... Kinda makes ya go Hmmmm. -- Best regards, Chris Show me a person who's never made a mistake and I'll show you somebody who's never achieved much. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 9 02:08:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651CB16A407 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA3C43D4C for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:08:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB132290C20; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 23:08:11 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 57125-01-4; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 23:07:36 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924C5291B04; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 23:06:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id B4A9D4AB72; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 23:06:27 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F7F47216; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 23:06:27 -0300 (ADT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 23:06:27 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Chris In-Reply-To: <450216D5.202@makeworld.com> Message-ID: <20060908230326.M981@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> <450216D5.202@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:08:18 -0000 On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Chris wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push >> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting >> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... >> >> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? >> >> ---- >> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) >> Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org >> Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > I think someone is playing games. I saw Korea put up 40 plus boxen in > under 10 mins. And between Net, Open and DF, there are only a few... Are you sure? And if so, based on what ... ? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 9 02:42:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C5616A417 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:42:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from omr1.networksolutionsemail.com (omr1.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F91A43D58 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:42:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr1.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.64]) by omr1.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k892gk1L008208 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:42:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 8463 invoked by uid 78); 9 Sep 2006 02:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.1.1.60?) (racerx@makeworld.com@71.113.144.239) by ns-omr1.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 02:39:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4502295E.8060806@makeworld.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:39:26 -0500 From: Chris User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060904) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> <450216D5.202@makeworld.com> <20060908230326.M981@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20060908230326.M981@ganymede.hub.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=C01BC363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: racerx@makeworld.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:42:49 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Chris wrote: > >> Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> >>> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push >>> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting >>> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... >>> >>> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? >>> >>> ---- >>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >>> (http://www.hub.org) >>> Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . >>> scrappy@hub.org >>> Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> >> I think someone is playing games. I saw Korea put up 40 plus boxen in >> under 10 mins. And between Net, Open and DF, there are only a few... > > Are you sure? And if so, based on what ... ? > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > > It seemed to coincidental that all 3 OS's were accelerating within the same time frame and all within a relatively close margin from one another. Just a hunch -- Best regards, Chris The most important item in an order will no longer be available. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 9 04:02:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DDE16A40F for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCA343D5C for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:02:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (wm.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A154E291988; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:02:10 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40499-07; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AF2290C20; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:02:07 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 7D8B4609B1; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:02:03 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD1A604C7; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:02:03 -0300 (ADT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:02:03 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Chris In-Reply-To: <4502295E.8060806@makeworld.com> Message-ID: <20060909004938.H981@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> <450216D5.202@makeworld.com> <20060908230326.M981@ganymede.hub.org> <4502295E.8060806@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:02:14 -0000 On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Chris wrote: > It seemed to coincidental that all 3 OS's were accelerating within the > same time frame and all within a relatively close margin from one > another. 245 of the Korean hits came from the same IP, which would be within the realm of a NATd box ... and, looking at the logs, each system is reporting how/as I'd expect it ... It could be one of the schools in Korea? As I said, looking at the data itself, if it is someone playing games, they've gone to alot of effort to "mask" it ... including mix-n-matching Operating Systems with Architectures, so that they aren't all reporting the exact same thing ... even the user agents are coming through "as expected" for each of hte operating systems reported ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 9 05:00:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B8516A403; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:00:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF77043D45; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:00:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.171.127.191] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1GLuxW-0003Za-TC; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:00:51 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5ADF05F6-58F0-4273-B1C3-29C26F92DCF8@shire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 23:00:50 -0600 To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.171.127.191 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 05:00:52 -0000 On Sep 8, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to > push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes > reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then > OpenBSD ... > > Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? Or maybe the FreeBSD users in Korea use their systems for real work and don't read this list or play these sorts of games... The Open/ Net/DFly users are hobbyists who like to play these games. I am not knocking the bsdstats effort -- just that lots of serious users with machines in production won't report back (I know I am not). Your sample is probably statistically invalid. best regards Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 9 05:07:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C36C16A415 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:07:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (omr6.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0865D43D45 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:07:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr6.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.69]) by omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8957HRN024005 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:07:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 572 invoked by uid 78); 9 Sep 2006 05:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.1.1.60?) (racerx@makeworld.com@71.113.144.239) by ns-omr6.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 05:07:17 -0000 Message-ID: <45024C00.5030405@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:07:12 -0500 From: Chris User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060904) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> <5ADF05F6-58F0-4273-B1C3-29C26F92DCF8@shire.net> In-Reply-To: <5ADF05F6-58F0-4273-B1C3-29C26F92DCF8@shire.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=C01BC363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: racerx@makeworld.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 05:07:20 -0000 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> >> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to >> push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes >> reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then >> OpenBSD ... >> >> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? > > Or maybe the FreeBSD users in Korea use their systems for real work and > don't read this list or play these sorts of games... The Open/Net/DFly > users are hobbyists who like to play these games. > > I am not knocking the bsdstats effort -- just that lots of serious users > with machines in production won't report back (I know I am not). Your > sample is probably statistically invalid. > > best regards > Chad > > --- > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC > Your Web App and Email hosting provider > chad at shire.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Not to mention how many are vmwared. Does that count? Could it count? Would it count? -- Best regards, Chris A bird in the hand is dead. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 9 07:11:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A78216A412; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F3A43D4C; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:11:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CB81A3C20; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 74C9451649; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 03:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 03:11:13 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20060909071112.GA35677@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:11:21 -0000 --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 10:02:45PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >=20 > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push= =20 > the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting= =20 > from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... >=20 > Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? So which korean freebsd mailing lists did you advertise bsdstats on? Kris --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFAmkQWry0BWjoQKURAvBgAKC5LNO/7CfHXYJJ7rjqOhVVZYMsuwCfRAaE O6/M/DWPcR2dLk0uSUK+3tw= =TJAr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 9 07:22:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60F516A403; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd-questions@mawer.org) Received: from mail22.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail22.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.160]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3CB43D46; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:22:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsd-questions@mawer.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c220-239-234-69.thorn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.234.69]) by mail22.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k897MkpB031530; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:22:55 +1000 Message-ID: <45026BCB.8060209@mawer.org> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:22:51 -1000 From: Antony Mawer User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:22:59 -0000 On 8/09/2006 3:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push > the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting > from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... > > Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? Are you sure they weren't just hit by the same timezone issue affecting us Aussies...? :-) After all, DFly/Open/Net didn't start coming on board until after the monthly rollover that affected us in .au ... (For those wondering what all that means: the BSDstats server counted .au and nearby timezones into August's results, rather than September, because the BSDStats server's time was still in August when our machines started doing our monthly periodic run for September...) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 9 07:57:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9C116A415; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:57:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8B243D45; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:57:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AE0291AFE; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:57:36 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 86507-10; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:57:38 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE08290C20; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:57:36 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id DC2285E824; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:57:39 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB9C5D1BB; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:57:39 -0300 (ADT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:57:39 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20060909071112.GA35677@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20060909045234.W981@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> <20060909071112.GA35677@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:57:40 -0000 On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 10:02:45PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push >> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting >> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... >> >> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? > > So which korean freebsd mailing lists did you advertise bsdstats on? There are korean maillng lists? :) And, I've been talking to Matt @ DragonFlyBSD, and he believes that the reports from Korea/China are bogus ... there is no AMD64 port of DragonFly ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 9 09:24:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF89216A407 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:24:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hyeshik@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAF043D46 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:24:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hyeshik@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so868196uge for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:24:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=T/orIRDegDGzG268bcJ6YMvn5J+mPnUEFAJZSPYc+jXCYiaDNyVnnU3zUX3R+y27Zc9eo+/CG0+QSEK5fp9NHhup+on7jnjSQjXixRJKL1Nr6urcs0v0O+tJSI49vdjsFYVFnE7/47NPOZ7suTpnzrvB/LtoEswzGidFp95OqYQ= Received: by 10.67.29.12 with SMTP id g12mr1541352ugj; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.40.15 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4f0b69dc0609090224n1571cc3bwc9487682c43e519@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:24:35 +0900 From: "Hye-Shik Chang" To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" , "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <5ADF05F6-58F0-4273-B1C3-29C26F92DCF8@shire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> <5ADF05F6-58F0-4273-B1C3-29C26F92DCF8@shire.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 09:24:37 -0000 On 9/9/06, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to > > push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes > > reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then > > OpenBSD ... > > > > Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? There are some portal enterprises using FreeBSD such Yahoo! Korea, Dreamwiz and Neowiz. They each have more than 1000 hosts at least. > Or maybe the FreeBSD users in Korea use their systems for real work > and don't read this list or play these sorts of games... The Open/ > Net/DFly users are hobbyists who like to play these games. Many of Korean BSDers doesn't read the mailing lists at all. Some of them don't read even manpages. So there's no need to be surprised at the no-show on stats. :-) I just advertised bsdstats to the local BSD community. So there will few responses soon. Hye-Shik