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Hauber X-Copyright-Info: This transmission, including any data found herein is copyrighted material and may not be copied, forwarded, or repeated by any means without written consent from the copyright owner. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200611250942.38410.mchauber@gmx.net> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: BSD folks position on GPL, Novell, IBM, SCO, and MS... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mchauber@gmx.net List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:41:26 -0000 This question was originally posted to the questions list, and I was referr= ed=20 here: I am by no means trolling here. =C2=A0I just haven't heard much of anything= from=20 the BSD community on the subjects, and would like to know the general=20 consensus. =C2=A0If advocacy is not the place for questions like this, coul= d=20 someone re-direct me to an appropriate list or reference, or sending me an= =20 email directly is fine, too. I have been an avid user of the BSDs (mostly FreeBSD and OpenBSD), and have= =20 experimented with the Linuses for a good while now (Mainly Debian, RH, and= =20 SuSe). =C2=A0I pretty much get it that the BSD folks and the Linux folks do= n't=20 completely see eye-to-eye on licensing issues, but it seems to me that the= =20 overall attempt of both communities seems to be "get the code out there and= =20 keep it free." (I was corrected on this point by a FBSD-questions member stating essential= ly=20 that the GPLs function is perpetuality where the BSD license is simply to=20 "release it free," if I understood that correctly) I was just wondering what the general consensus was on the GPL, Linux in=20 general, SCOs lawsuit, Sun's open sourcing, IBMs contributions to Linux,=20 Novell's contributions, Novell's deal with MS and how this really affects=20 SuSe (there's a lot of hype on that and I literally don't know what to=20 believe at this point). Being that most folks here would be in positions of having to deal with a=20 variety of OSs and have in the past dealt with opposing forces at work, I=20 figured there would be at least one or two educated folks I could glean fro= m. I'm an avid reader of GrokLaw and LamLaw, as well as other (not so thorough= =20 sources), but still haven't really heard anything as far as the stance from= =20 the BSD side of the OS community. Thanks, and sorry for the imposition, Mike PS... =C2=A0One more question... =C2=A0Being that Linux emulation is availa= ble as a port=20 for the BSDs, I would assume (but haven't taken the time to research) that= =20 GPLd code is used. =C2=A0If there comes to be issues with Linux, what would= that=20 mean for BSDs compatibility in regards to emulation? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 25 14:58:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4757D16A407 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:58:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com (ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com [38.99.2.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1C743D55 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:57:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from pool-71-123-204-253.dllstx.fios.verizon.net ([71.123.204.253] helo=reedmedia.net) by ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1Gnyqd-0001tZ-AE; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 06:49:43 -0800 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 9418-1164466442; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:54:05 -0600 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:54:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Mike Hauber In-Reply-To: <200611250942.38410.mchauber@gmx.net> Message-ID: References: <200611250942.38410.mchauber@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-61122867-1164466403=:21580" Content-ID: Cc: "FreeBSD, Advocacy" Subject: Re: BSD folks position on GPL, Novell, IBM, SCO, and MS... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:58:10 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-61122867-1164466403=:21580 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: > PS... =C2=A0One more question... =C2=A0Being that Linux emulation is avai= lable=20 > as a port for the BSDs, I would assume (but haven't taken the time to=20 > research) that GPLd code is used. =C2=A0If there comes to be issues with= =20 > Linux, what would that mean for BSDs compatibility in regards to=20 > emulation? No GPL'd code is used for the Linux ABI support. Have a look at the code=20 under src/sys/compat/linux/. And look at the linux(4) manpage. Nevertheless, you will probably use glibc and other programs built for=20 Linux that are GPL'd ... I think you will find many answers to your other questions in this lists=20 (or the chat list) archives. I don't recall any discussion hear about=20 Novell/Microsoft deal though. --0-61122867-1164466403=:21580--