From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 8 11:02:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442A016A427 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 11:02:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CAE43D55 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 11:02:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k48B2F4o048184 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 11:02:15 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k48B2Ef9048178 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 May 2006 11:02:14 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:02:14 GMT Message-Id: <200605081102.k48B2Ef9048178@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 11:02:29 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2004/12/20] alpha/75317 alpha [ata] [busdma] ATA DMA broken on PCalpha 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2003/02/05] alpha/47952 alpha DEFPA causes machine check with V5.0-rele o [2003/11/10] alpha/59116 alpha [ntfs] mount_ntfs of a Windows 2000-forma o [2004/01/26] alpha/61940 alpha Can't disklabel new disk from FreeBSD/alp o [2004/01/27] alpha/61973 alpha Machine Check on boot-up of AlphaServer 2 s [2004/06/06] alpha/67626 alpha X crashes an alpha machine, resulting reb o [2005/08/27] alpha/85346 alpha PREEMPTION causes unstability in Alpha400 6 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/02/22] alpha/25284 alpha PC164 won't reboot with graphics console o [2002/05/13] alpha/38031 alpha osf1.ko not loaded during boot-time of li o [2003/02/25] alpha/48676 alpha Changing the baud rate of serial consoles o [2003/04/12] alpha/50868 alpha fd0 floppy device is not mapped into /dev o [2004/05/10] alpha/66478 alpha unexpected machine check: panic for 4.9, o [2004/06/13] alpha/67903 alpha hw.chipset.memory: 1099511627776 - thats 6 problems total. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 9 18:52:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D7716A6FD; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3BB43D45; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:52:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.30]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Iqwqt091684; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:52:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Iqw1u079925; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:52:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id DEF1B7302F; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20060509185257.DEF1B7302F@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:52:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on clamscanner1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [head tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 18:53:04 -0000 TB --- 2006-05-09 17:34:46 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2006-05-09 17:34:46 - starting HEAD tinderbox run for alpha/alpha TB --- 2006-05-09 17:34:46 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2006-05-09 17:35:18 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2006-05-09 17:35:18 - cd /tinderbox/HEAD/alpha/alpha TB --- 2006-05-09 17:35:18 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- 2006-05-09 17:42:25 - building world (CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2006-05-09 17:42:25 - cd /src TB --- 2006-05-09 17:42:25 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything TB --- 2006-05-09 18:50:47 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2006-05-09 18:50:47 - cd /src/sys/alpha/conf TB --- 2006-05-09 18:50:47 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2006-05-09 18:50:47 - building LINT kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2006-05-09 18:50:47 - cd /src TB --- 2006-05-09 18:50:47 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Tue May 9 18:50:47 UTC 2006 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies [...] awk -f @/tools/vnode_if.awk @/kern/vnode_if.src -p awk -f @/tools/vnode_if.awk @/kern/vnode_if.src -q awk -f @/tools/vnode_if.awk @/kern/vnode_if.src -h ln -sf /obj/alpha/src/sys/LINT/opt_compat.h opt_compat.h rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -I/obj/alpha/src/sys/LINT /src/sys/modules/linprocfs/../../compat/linprocfs/linprocfs.c /src/sys/modules/linprocfs/../../compat/linprocfs/linprocfs.c:98:36: machine/../linux/linux.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Stop in /src/sys/modules/linprocfs. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src/sys/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/alpha/src/sys/LINT. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2006-05-09 18:52:57 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2006-05-09 18:52:57 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2006-05-09 18:52:57 - tinderbox aborted TB --- 0.89 user 5.30 system 4690.93 real From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 08:05:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF43B16A409; Wed, 10 May 2006 08:05:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from www.ebusiness-leidinger.de (jojo.ms-net.de [84.16.236.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010E043D5A; Wed, 10 May 2006 08:05:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (p54A5F437.dip.t-dialin.net [84.165.244.55]) (authenticated bits=0) by www.ebusiness-leidinger.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4A7u9ir076096; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:56:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4A859Gs041025; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:05:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:05:09 +0200 Message-ID: <20060510100509.qbhiv7zm80w0sksw@netchild.homeip.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:05:09 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: current@freebsd.org References: <20060509185257.DEF1B7302F@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> In-Reply-To: <20060509185257.DEF1B7302F@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1) / FreeBSD-4.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [head tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:05:22 -0000 Quoting FreeBSD Tinderbox (from Tue, 9 May =20 2006 14:52:57 -0400 (EDT)): > mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- =20 > -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq =20 > -I/obj/alpha/src/sys/LINT =20 > /src/sys/modules/linprocfs/../../compat/linprocfs/linprocfs.c > /src/sys/modules/linprocfs/../../compat/linprocfs/linprocfs.c:98:36: =20 > machine/../linux/linux.h: No such file or directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 This should be fixed since yesterday with a commit to sys/modules/Makefile. Bye, Alexander. --=20 http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID =3D B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID =3D 72077137 54: Jetzt mit neuem, umfangreichem Softwarepaket. Treiber liegt bei. (Kristian K=C3=B6hntopp) From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 11:31:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CC316A405 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew@mowgli.rinet.ru) Received: from mowgli.rinet.ru (merlin.rinet.ru [195.54.192.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2B243D46 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:31:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrew@mowgli.rinet.ru) Received: by mowgli.rinet.ru (Mail Transport Agent, from userid 290) id A67232185; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:31:06 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:31:06 +0400 From: Andrew Kolchoogin To: alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060510113106.GC2425@mowgli.rinet.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Cronyx Plus LLC User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: Subject: [kris@obsecurity.org: Re: osf1_base port] X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:31:09 -0000 Gentlemen, ----- Forwarded message from Kris Kennaway ----- From: Kris Kennaway To: Andrew Kolchoogin Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: osf1_base port Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:34:22 -0400 On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 05:10:42PM +0400, Andrew Kolchoogin wrote: > Gentlemen, > > disfile for this port is located at URL > > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/compaq/Linux-Alpha-Tools/netscape/ Talk to alpha@ - maybe someone there is interested in fixing the port. Kris ----- End forwarded message ----- JFYI. -- Yours Andrew Kolchoogin. [DREW-RIPE, AKOL-RIPN] GOD#killall -KILL lifed && dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/world; cd /src/world && make deinstall && make distclean && cat /patches/world0.01-0.59.patch | patch -p0 && make world && make installworld && /etc/rc.d/lifed start (C) someoneelse From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 11 18:59:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEE916AA7B; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:59:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA3743E16; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:59:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4BIxVpq045170; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:59:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: alpha@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:24:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1456/Thu May 11 01:57:31 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:59:41 -0000 Alpha was the first non-x86 port that was added to FreeBSD, and as such it has greatly aided the efforts to keep FreeBSD from being too i386-centric. However, recently the Alpha port has not had any active development or maintenance. As a result, the quality of the Alpha releases that the Project provides are not on par with other supported architectures and is in fact degrading. Unfortunately, as an architecture it has also been killed by its creator. After considering all of this, it is time to part with Alpha for 7.0 and beyond. At this time it is still planned to provide 6.x releases for FreeBSD/alpha. The code will still be around in CVS history if someone suddenly shows up and fixes a bunch of bugs and/or the architecture is revived. Users with Alpha systems are welcome to use existing releases of FreeBSD/alpha or another BSD such as NetBSD/alpha. We would still like to see bug fixes for FreeBSD/alpha on 6.x so that the final release is solid. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 11 20:14:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA4016A541 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sseekamp@worldnet.att.net) Received: from monibeast.risei.net (71-211-247-176.hlrn.qwest.net [71.211.247.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7ACB44332 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:30:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sseekamp@worldnet.att.net) Received: from www.risei.net (localhost.risei.net [127.0.0.1]) by monibeast.risei.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BJUTmq017663 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:30:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sseekamp@worldnet.att.net) Received: from 205.145.186.201 (SquirrelMail authenticated user sseekamp) by www.risei.net with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <53813.205.145.186.201.1147375829.squirrel@www.risei.net> In-Reply-To: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:30:29 -0600 (MDT) From: "Scott Seekamp" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 172.25.0.1 Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: sseekamp@worldnet.att.net List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:14:16 -0000 Sad to see it go! Freebsd-Alpha was the first version of Freebsd I used. I picked up an AS4100 from work that was going in the scrap metal and revived it for many faithful years of service. Thanks for all the hard work to those of you who made it possible! Scott > Alpha was the first non-x86 port that was added to FreeBSD, and as such it > has > greatly aided the efforts to keep FreeBSD from being too i386-centric. > However, recently the Alpha port has not had any active development or > maintenance. As a result, the quality of the Alpha releases that the > Project > provides are not on par with other supported architectures and is in fact > degrading. Unfortunately, as an architecture it has also been killed by > its > creator. > > After considering all of this, it is time to part with Alpha for 7.0 and > beyond. At this time it is still planned to provide 6.x releases for > FreeBSD/alpha. The code will still be around in CVS history if someone > suddenly shows up and fixes a bunch of bugs and/or the architecture is > revived. Users with Alpha systems are welcome to use existing releases of > FreeBSD/alpha or another BSD such as NetBSD/alpha. We would still like to > see bug fixes for FreeBSD/alpha on 6.x so that the final release is solid. > > -- > John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-alpha-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 11 23:00:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF26616A587; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal2.es.net (postal2.es.net [198.128.3.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22544406A; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:30:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal2.es.net (Postal Node 2) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:30:35 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 189F545053; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:30:35 -0700 (PDT) To: John Baldwin In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 May 2006 14:24:03 EDT." <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:30:35 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20060511223035.189F545053@ptavv.es.net> Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:01:13 -0000 > From: John Baldwin > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:24:03 -0400 > Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org > > Alpha was the first non-x86 port that was added to FreeBSD, and as such it has > greatly aided the efforts to keep FreeBSD from being too i386-centric. > However, recently the Alpha port has not had any active development or > maintenance. As a result, the quality of the Alpha releases that the Project > provides are not on par with other supported architectures and is in fact > degrading. Unfortunately, as an architecture it has also been killed by its > creator. I'd say to was killed by its owner. It's creator (corporate) no longer exists and its creators (designers) are very sad at its demise. It was an amazing design for its time and could have been a powerful force in hardware with anything that resembled reasonable marketing. (Sorry for the digression. The Alpha was very dear to me and, while not a designer, I knew some of them.) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 09:12:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD9F16A51A; Fri, 12 May 2006 09:12:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2845A43D6E; Fri, 12 May 2006 09:12:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C9Caut067545; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:12:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4C9Caku056804; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:12:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k4C9Cali056803; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:12:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:12:36 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20060512091236.GA56790@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060511223035.189F545053@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060511223035.189F545053@ptavv.es.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:12:54 -0000 On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 03:30:35PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote.. > > From: John Baldwin > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:24:03 -0400 > > Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org > > > > Alpha was the first non-x86 port that was added to FreeBSD, and as such it has > > greatly aided the efforts to keep FreeBSD from being too i386-centric. > > However, recently the Alpha port has not had any active development or > > maintenance. As a result, the quality of the Alpha releases that the Project > > provides are not on par with other supported architectures and is in fact > > degrading. Unfortunately, as an architecture it has also been killed by its > > creator. > > I'd say to was killed by its owner. It's creator (corporate) no longer > exists and its creators (designers) are very sad at its demise. It was > an amazing design for its time and could have been a powerful force in > hardware with anything that resembled reasonable marketing. Interesting side note: quite a few of the Alpha folks moved to AMD. And see what happened :) > (Sorry for the digression. The Alpha was very dear to me and, while not > a designer, I knew some of them.) Same here :/ -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 09:36:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB2116A40B for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 09:36:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@infopuls.com) Received: from dachs.cyberlink.ch (dachs.cyberlink.ch [62.12.136.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9C343D4C for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 09:36:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ulrich@infopuls.com) Received: (qmail 27660 invoked by uid 600); 12 May 2006 09:36:41 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.0.9 ppid: 27656, pid: 27657, t: 0.0128s scanners: regex: 1.0.9 clamav: 0.88/m:38/d:1459 Message-ID: <20060512093641.27656.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060511223035.189F545053@ptavv.es.net> <20060512091236.GA56790@freebie.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20060512091236.GA56790@freebie.xs4all.nl> From: ulrich.ulrich@alumni.ethz.ch To: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:36:41 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:36:45 -0000 Hi folks, a couple of weeks ago a professional FreeBSD supporter managed to bring my PWS500a up to work with 4.11 after many failing attempts by myself. Some of you may remember that I posted a few questions about this machine to this list. Since then I'm using the machine as server and I'm very happy with it. Of course, I regret that the Alpha branch is not continued in FreeBSD development because I intend to use this and some other Alpha boxes that I plan to buy for many years. I like the Alpha architecture and I got the impression that most of the higher level problems like seg-faults in Mozilla on Alpha are caused by dirty programming techniques or bugs in the C compiler related to 64 Bit addressing. Cleaning up such problems would result in better code for the other architectures also. Nevertheless: Thank you very much for FreeBSD/Alpha so far! Ulrich From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 09:38:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DE616A417; Fri, 12 May 2006 09:38:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail24.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail24.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F4A43D4C; Fri, 12 May 2006 09:38:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail24.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4C9c4bJ015560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 12 May 2006 19:38:04 +1000 Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C9c4fC001331; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:38:04 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k4C9c4WN001330; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:38:04 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:38:04 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20060512093804.GC714@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Mail-Followup-To: Peter Jeremy , Kevin Oberman , alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060511223035.189F545053@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060511223035.189F545053@ptavv.es.net> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:38:22 -0000 On Thu, 2006-May-11 15:30:35 -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: >exists and its creators (designers) are very sad at its demise. It was >an amazing design for its time and could have been a powerful force in >hardware with anything that resembled reasonable marketing. My sentiments as well. When I first used it (in late 1998), I thought the architecture looked weird but after using it for a while and reading more about the design decisions, I came to the conclusion that it was one of the better designed architectures around. There were a few warts (requiring software assistance to fully support IEEE FP but not supporting precise exceptions was the biggest IMHO) but DEC actually considered the likely impact of future changes to technology, rather than just band-aiding an existing architecture to meet the current technology limitations/requirements. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 14:19:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89A316A466; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8335C43D46; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:19:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.9]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.13.4P/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4CEJHlT066466; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:19:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CEJHfa032540; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:19:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id 7A7697302F; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20060512141917.7A7697302F@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:19:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on clamscanner3 X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [head tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:19:19 -0000 TB --- 2006-05-12 14:10:03 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2006-05-12 14:10:03 - starting HEAD tinderbox run for alpha/alpha TB --- 2006-05-12 14:10:03 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2006-05-12 14:10:35 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2006-05-12 14:10:35 - cd /tinderbox/HEAD/alpha/alpha TB --- 2006-05-12 14:10:35 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- 2006-05-12 14:18:14 - building world (CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2006-05-12 14:18:14 - cd /src TB --- 2006-05-12 14:18:14 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree [...] ===> sys/boot (cleandir) ===> sys/boot/ficl (cleandir) rm -f softcore.c testmain testmain.o rm -f a.out dict.o ficl.o fileaccess.o float.o loader.o math64.o prefix.o search.o stack.o tools.o vm.o words.o sysdep.o softcore.o dict.o.tmp ficl.o.tmp fileaccess.o.tmp float.o.tmp loader.o.tmp math64.o.tmp prefix.o.tmp search.o.tmp stack.o.tmp tools.o.tmp vm.o.tmp words.o.tmp sysdep.o.tmp softcore.o.tmp rm -f libficl.a rm -f .depend GPATH GRTAGS GSYMS GTAGS ===> sys/boot/alpha (cleandir) cd: can't cd to /src/sys/boot/alpha *** Error code 2 Stop in /src/sys/boot. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src/sys. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2006-05-12 14:19:17 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2006-05-12 14:19:17 - ERROR: failed to build world TB --- 2006-05-12 14:19:17 - tinderbox aborted TB --- 1.05 user 5.21 system 554.09 real From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 12 17:29:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E3016A864 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:29:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd@ugcs.caltech.edu) Received: from groat.ugcs.caltech.edu (groat.ugcs.caltech.edu [131.215.176.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A528043D5F for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:29:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jd@ugcs.caltech.edu) Received: by groat.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix, from userid 3640) id E0AAB5880C; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:29:53 -0700 From: Paul Allen To: Peter Jeremy , Kevin Oberman , alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060512172953.GB4365@groat.ugcs.caltech.edu> References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060511223035.189F545053@ptavv.es.net> <20060512093804.GC714@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060512093804.GC714@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Sender: jd@ugcs.caltech.edu Cc: Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:29:59 -0000 >From Peter Jeremy , Fri, May 12, 2006 at 07:38:04PM +1000: > On Thu, 2006-May-11 15:30:35 -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > >exists and its creators (designers) are very sad at its demise. It was > >an amazing design for its time and could have been a powerful force in > >hardware with anything that resembled reasonable marketing. > > My sentiments as well. When I first used it (in late 1998), I thought > the architecture looked weird but after using it for a while and > reading more about the design decisions, I came to the conclusion that > it was one of the better designed architectures around. There were a > few warts (requiring software assistance to fully support IEEE FP but > not supporting precise exceptions was the biggest IMHO) but DEC > actually considered the likely impact of future changes to technology, > rather than just band-aiding an existing architecture to meet the > current technology limitations/requirements. Realize that the original Alpha did not even do integer divide. It was one of the cleanest RISC architectures available and to this day is venerated within the VLSI community for its superb implementation. The Alphas were the last high-performance processors using mostly custom logic--the designers worked directly at the level of transistor geometry. Sadly this was also it's downfall. You can tell how good the EV7 was when you realize how long it took for other architectures to catch-up. Ye Olde Hudson Design Team, we miss you. Paul