From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 14 09:53:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2894A16A403 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 09:53:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from preo@freemail.hu) Received: from fmx13.freemail.hu (fmx13.freemail.hu [195.228.245.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 391BE43D48 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 09:53:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from preo@freemail.hu) Received: (qmail 47774 invoked from network); 14 May 2006 11:53:18 +0200 Received: from fm05.freemail.hu (195.228.245.105) by fmx13.freemail.hu with SMTP; 14 May 2006 11:53:17 +0200 Received: (qmail 42526 invoked by uid 4418688); 14 May 2006 11:53:17 +0200 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:53:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Pre- O-- To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [84.0.219.255] X-HTTP-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.3) Gecko/20060426 Firefox/1.5.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Freemail: message scanned Subject: linux_base X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:53:21 -0000 Hi, I am trying to set up an AlphaServer with FreeBSD 6.1 I would like to use compaq-cc (from the ports collection), but it depends on the linux_base_8 port. This port does not work on the Alpha platform. Can you help we how can I install Linux compatibility under FreeBSD 6.1 (for Alpha). Thanks.=0A=0A______________________________________________________________= _________________=0ANyerj lak=E1st! - 4 j=F3 v=E1lasszal most lak=E1st nyer= het az [origo] Ingatlaqn rovat j=E1t=E9k=E1val!=0Ahttp://ingatlan.origo.hu/= index.html=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 14 20:24:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9785D16A438 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 20:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from magill@mcgillsociety.org) Received: from spacecat.mcgillsociety.org (adsl-216-158-26-62.cust.oldcity.dca.net [216.158.26.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8875843D53 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 20:24:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from magill@mcgillsociety.org) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (abase.mcgillsociety.org [216.158.26.165]) by spacecat.mcgillsociety.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id k4EKIUS338773; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:18:31 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20060512172953.GB4365@groat.ugcs.caltech.edu> References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060511223035.189F545053@ptavv.es.net> <20060512093804.GC714@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20060512172953.GB4365@groat.ugcs.caltech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7B57E642-36E9-4260-A9B8-B8C2996C986B@mcgillsociety.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "William H. Magill" Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:22:44 -0400 To: Paul Allen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Cc: Peter Jeremy , alpha@freebsd.org, Kevin Oberman Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:24:46 -0000 On 12 May, 2006, at 13:29, Paul Allen wrote: > You can tell how good the EV7 was when you realize how long it took > for > other architectures to catch-up. > > Ye Olde Hudson Design Team, we miss you.\ EV8 = Intel Core-Duo = "Alpha Inside" Since I've retired, I'm not as current on things as I once was, but to me, the "not-yet-quite-released" Intel Core-Duo chips (the follow- on to the chips Apple is currently using; those with the full 64-bit instruction set enabled) are clearly the result of Intel's acquisition of the Alpha design team and technology they acquired in the death-throes of Compaq. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.4.1 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 15 11:02:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA9016A407 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8594743D48 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:02:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4FB2adu075102 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:02:36 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k4FB2ZlM075096 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:02:35 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:02:35 GMT Message-Id: <200605151102.k4FB2ZlM075096@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:02:36 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2004/12/20] alpha/75317 alpha [ata] [busdma] ATA DMA broken on PCalpha 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2003/02/05] alpha/47952 alpha DEFPA causes machine check with V5.0-rele o [2003/11/10] alpha/59116 alpha [ntfs] mount_ntfs of a Windows 2000-forma o [2004/01/26] alpha/61940 alpha Can't disklabel new disk from FreeBSD/alp o [2004/01/27] alpha/61973 alpha Machine Check on boot-up of AlphaServer 2 s [2004/06/06] alpha/67626 alpha X crashes an alpha machine, resulting reb o [2005/08/27] alpha/85346 alpha PREEMPTION causes unstability in Alpha400 6 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/02/22] alpha/25284 alpha PC164 won't reboot with graphics console o [2002/05/13] alpha/38031 alpha osf1.ko not loaded during boot-time of li o [2003/02/25] alpha/48676 alpha Changing the baud rate of serial consoles o [2003/04/12] alpha/50868 alpha fd0 floppy device is not mapped into /dev o [2004/05/10] alpha/66478 alpha unexpected machine check: panic for 4.9, o [2004/06/13] alpha/67903 alpha hw.chipset.memory: 1099511627776 - thats 6 problems total. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 15 11:53:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A556E16A41B for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:53:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=BiiFZr=7D=alasir.com=walter@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from mailout07.yourhostingaccount.com (outmail62.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3104243D45 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:53:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from SRS0=BiiFZr=7D=alasir.com=walter@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from mailscan29.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.29] helo=mailscan29.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout07.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1FfbdG-0008Vj-RG for alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:53:02 -0400 Received: from webmail03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.38] ident=exim) by mailscan29.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1FfbdG-0007Bu-Gy for alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:53:02 -0400 Received: from webmail03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.38] helo=webmail03.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan29.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1FfbdE-0007Bg-Pu for alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:53:00 -0400 Received: from [85.235.204.154] by webmail03.yourhostingaccount.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:53:00 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Paul V. Bolotoff" To: alpha@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: AtMail Corp 3.64 - http://webbasedemail.com/ X-Origin: 85.235.204.154 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:52:30 -0400 Sender: "Paul V. Bolotoff" Cc: Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: walter@alasir.com List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:53:09 -0000 That's sad very much. However, the architecture may be revived sooner or later. The instruction set is free, and most original patents of DEC are expired by this moment. Thanks to DEC, the architecture and its hardware implementations are well-documented. There are open-source operating systems, compilers, assemblers and other development tools available, so it's a matter of time for some enterprise to pick everything up and blow a new life into the architecture. We'll see what we shall see. By the way, the Alpha processors have never had integer division implemented in hardware. Not a drawback though, because it's a relatively complicated instruction. It takes an advanced computational logic and dozens of cycles to complete execution anyway (about one bit per clock cycle). To throw an example in, Athlon64-family processors can do that in 42 cycles for 32-bit operands or in 74 cycles for 64-bit ones. Finally, it isn't an easy task for hardware engineers to get it pipelined properly... PVB On Thu, 11 May 2006 14:24 , John Baldwin sent: >Alpha was the first non-x86 port that was added to FreeBSD, and as such it has >greatly aided the efforts to keep FreeBSD from being too i386-centric. >However, recently the Alpha port has not had any active development or >maintenance. As a result, the quality of the Alpha releases that the Project >provides are not on par with other supported architectures and is in fact >degrading. Unfortunately, as an architecture it has also been killed by its >creator. > >After considering all of this, it is time to part with Alpha for 7.0 and >beyond. At this time it is still planned to provide 6.x releases for >FreeBSD/alpha. The code will still be around in CVS history if someone >suddenly shows up and fixes a bunch of bugs and/or the architecture is >revived. Users with Alpha systems are welcome to use existing releases of >FreeBSD/alpha or another BSD such as NetBSD/alpha. We would still like to >see bug fixes for FreeBSD/alpha on 6.x so that the final release is solid. > >-- >John Baldwin jhb@FreeBSD.org> http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ >"Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 15 12:05:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC23716A4F7 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andreas.kohn@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 713B643D48 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:05:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andreas.kohn@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 May 2006 11:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO klamath) [212.204.44.203] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 15 May 2006 13:47:51 +0200 X-Authenticated: #2431876 From: Andreas Kohn To: Pre- O-- In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9fm7F8c0DoLaFo0sxUMD" Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:47:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1147693669.6107.11.camel@klamath> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: linux-base_ac2 experimental port [was: Re: linux_base] X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:05:21 -0000 --=-9fm7F8c0DoLaFo0sxUMD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 11:53 +0200, Pre- O-- wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I am trying to set up an AlphaServer with FreeBSD 6.1 >=20 > I would like to use compaq-cc (from the ports collection), > but it depends on the linux_base_8 port. > This port does not work on the Alpha platform. >=20 > Can you help we how can I install Linux compatibility under > FreeBSD 6.1 (for Alpha). >=20 You can find a very experimental port for an AlphaCore 2 linux base=20 port at http://andreas.syndrom23.de/svn/projects/ports/trunk/emulators/linux-base-a= c2/ This is based on the existing fc3 port. This port should install a working linux base, but I did not find a linux-needing port to fully test it. I'd be delighted to know if it works for you. Cross posted to freebsd-emulation@, basically to solicit comments if any such port would be helpful as long as alpha "support" exists in FreeBSD 5.x/6.x. -- Andreas --=-9fm7F8c0DoLaFo0sxUMD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEaGplYucd7Ow1ygwRAtg4AKCeHPau2LPIO8quaeP7AlrORjBF4QCdEy5g tTKl/ealX2HnqBTBvRBmPto= =l4VX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-9fm7F8c0DoLaFo0sxUMD-- From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 15 12:22:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E8316A5B7; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor.kovesdan@t-hosting.hu) Received: from server.t-hosting.hu (server.t-hosting.hu [217.20.133.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087DE43D72; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:22:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gabor.kovesdan@t-hosting.hu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144A5997B0C; Mon, 15 May 2006 14:22:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Received: from server.t-hosting.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.t-hosting.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xkkXkVMcZS-Y; Mon, 15 May 2006 14:22:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.186] (catv-5062e7e3.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.231.227]) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03E099796F; Mon, 15 May 2006 14:22:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44687266.4030906@t-hosting.hu> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:21:58 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6vesd=E1n_G=E1bor?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Kohn References: <1147693669.6107.11.camel@klamath> In-Reply-To: <1147693669.6107.11.camel@klamath> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Pre- O-- , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: linux-base_ac2 experimental port [was: Re: linux_base] X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:22:14 -0000 Andreas Kohn wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 11:53 +0200, Pre- O-- wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am trying to set up an AlphaServer with FreeBSD 6.1 >> >> I would like to use compaq-cc (from the ports collection), >> but it depends on the linux_base_8 port. >> This port does not work on the Alpha platform. >> >> Can you help we how can I install Linux compatibility under >> FreeBSD 6.1 (for Alpha). >> >> > > You can find a very experimental port for an AlphaCore 2 linux base > port at > http://andreas.syndrom23.de/svn/projects/ports/trunk/emulators/linux-base-ac2/ > This is based on the existing fc3 port. > > This port should install a working linux base, but I did not find a > linux-needing port to fully test it. I'd be delighted to know if it > works for you. > > Cross posted to freebsd-emulation@, basically to solicit comments if any > such port would be helpful as long as alpha "support" exists in FreeBSD > 5.x/6.x. > > -- > Andreas > emulators/linux_base-gentoo-stage1 is available for Alpha as well. Gabor Kovesdan From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 15 13:33:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E6316A6D3; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:33:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from www.ebusiness-leidinger.de (jojo.ms-net.de [84.16.236.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577E643D45; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:33:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (p54A5D814.dip.t-dialin.net [84.165.216.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by www.ebusiness-leidinger.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4FDMuiS030693; Mon, 15 May 2006 15:22:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4FDWvjS092283; Mon, 15 May 2006 15:32:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2006 15:32:57 +0200 Message-ID: <20060515153257.mi8hpxbz4088k0kc@netchild.homeip.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:32:57 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Andreas Kohn References: <1147693669.6107.11.camel@klamath> In-Reply-To: <1147693669.6107.11.camel@klamath> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1) / FreeBSD-4.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: Pre- O-- , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: linux-base_ac2 experimental port [was: Re: linux_base] X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:33:14 -0000 Quoting Andreas Kohn (from Mon, 15 May 2006 13:47:49 +0200): > Cross posted to freebsd-emulation@, basically to solicit comments if any > such port would be helpful as long as alpha "support" exists in FreeBSD > 5.x/6.x. With my experience (no response at all) after posting a "does someone use the linuxolator on alpha, if yes can you test -current" I doubt it will be really useful. But if you want it to be committed (for those handful of people which run alpha and may decide to try an old linux program just for fun), I can do that (please make sure it is marked IGNORE on >=7). Bye, Alexander. -- http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 Famous, adj.: Conspicuously miserable. -- Ambrose Bierce From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 15 15:03:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D9216A81D for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 15:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandano@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3416743D7E for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 15:03:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gandano@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id e30so1104778pya for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 08:03:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bYjsiJT96Ija6rKtnqLmMqxhUpdR8swr1cyvhMtYJqS3V6HHMmp2SNDRkqXfM6rIwHD2CF5tD17MlqzdmEwWuru1wlTJT6cO7kXFR64fYRb0oS9LFxgj+dxTZP11QEfGn7OQGwwZOHaYHVc7cwcHEQGs+k3mUmpdeF6VI5bXdu8= Received: by 10.35.60.15 with SMTP id n15mr2678838pyk; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.72.16 with HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:56:41 +0200 From: "Rafael Ruiz" To: walter@alasir.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:03:48 -0000 Hi! In this paper says that Chinese military works on their own cloned Alpha EV= 8 / EV9 processors, and they running COSIX (Chinese Tru64 UNIX whose source code Compaq gave to the China sometime ago, plus EV8 etc plans that might have leaked out of the US). Please, see http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=3D4266 Rafa 2006/5/15, Paul V. Bolotoff : > > That's sad very much. However, the architecture may be revived sooner or > later. The instruction set is free, and most original patents of DEC are > expired by this moment. Thanks to DEC, the architecture and its hardware > implementations are well-documented. There are open-source operating > systems, compilers, assemblers and other development tools available, so > it's a matter of time for some enterprise to pick everything up and blow = a > new life into the architecture. We'll see what we shall see. > > By the way, the Alpha processors have never had integer division > implemented in hardware. Not a drawback though, because it's a relatively > complicated instruction. It takes an advanced computational logic and doz= ens > of cycles to complete execution anyway (about one bit per clock cycle). T= o > throw an example in, Athlon64-family processors can do that in 42 cycles = for > 32-bit operands or in 74 cycles for 64-bit ones. Finally, it isn't an eas= y > task for hardware engineers to get it pipelined properly... > > PVB > > On Thu, 11 May 2006 14:24 , John Baldwin sent: > > >Alpha was the first non-x86 port that was added to FreeBSD, and as such > it has > >greatly aided the efforts to keep FreeBSD from being too i386-centric. > >However, recently the Alpha port has not had any active development or > >maintenance. As a result, the quality of the Alpha releases that the > Project > >provides are not on par with other supported architectures and is in fac= t > >degrading. Unfortunately, as an architecture it has also been killed by > its > >creator. > > > >After considering all of this, it is time to part with Alpha for 7.0 and > >beyond. At this time it is still planned to provide 6.x releases for > >FreeBSD/alpha. The code will still be around in CVS history if someone > >suddenly shows up and fixes a bunch of bugs and/or the architecture is > >revived. Users with Alpha systems are welcome to use existing releases > of > >FreeBSD/alpha or another BSD such as NetBSD/alpha. We would still like > to > >see bug fixes for FreeBSD/alpha on 6.x so that the final release is > solid. > > > >-- > >John Baldwin jhb@FreeBSD.org> http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > >"Power Users Use the Power to Serve" =3D http://www.FreeBSD.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-alpha-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 -- Rafa. Alpha back to life. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 16 13:06:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABB116A402 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=ZbrpSB=7E=alasir.com=walter@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from mailout10.yourhostingaccount.com (outmail80.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D0D43D46 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:06:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from SRS0=ZbrpSB=7E=alasir.com=walter@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from scan19.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.247] helo=scan19.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout10.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1FfzFV-00056C-Ai for alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:06:05 -0400 Received: from webmail03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.38] ident=exim) by scan19.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1FfzFU-0001bq-Ro for alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:06:04 -0400 Received: from webmail03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.38] helo=webmail03.yourhostingaccount.com) by scan19.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1FfzFS-0001bl-7U for alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:06:02 -0400 Received: from [85.235.204.154] by webmail03.yourhostingaccount.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:06:02 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Paul V. Bolotoff" To: alpha@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: AtMail Corp 3.64 - http://webbasedemail.com/ X-Origin: 85.235.204.154 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:05:46 -0400 Sender: "Paul V. Bolotoff" Cc: Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: walter@alasir.com List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:06:07 -0000 I'm afraid that's a hoax. The Chinese have placed their bets on the MIPS architecture (search for Godson and Godson-2 processors by BLX IC Design). I see no reason why they should support another RISC architecture. By the way, AMD cooperates closely with BLX since 2003 (they have established a development centre in Beijing). PVB On Mon, 15 May 2006 16:56 , 'Rafael Ruiz' sent: >Hi! >In this paper says that Chinese military works on their own cloned Alpha EV8 / EV9 >processors, and they running COSIX (Chinese Tru64 UNIX whose source code Compaq >gave to the China sometime ago, plus EV8 etc plans that might have >leaked out of the US). > >Please, see http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4266 > >Rafa > >2006/5/15, Paul V. Bolotoff < >walter@alasir.com>:That's sad very much. However, the architecture may be revived sooner or later. The instruction set is free, and most original patents of DEC are expired by this moment. Thanks to DEC, the architecture and its hardware implementations are well-documented. There are open-source operating systems, compilers, assemblers and other development tools available, so it's a matter of time for some enterprise to pick everything up and blow a new life into the architecture. We'll see what we shall see. > > >By the way, the Alpha processors have never had integer division implemented in hardware. Not a drawback though, because it's a relatively complicated instruction. It takes an advanced computational logic and dozens of cycles to complete execution anyway (about one bit per clock cycle). To throw an example in, Athlon64-family processors can do that in 42 cycles for 32-bit operands or in 74 cycles for 64-bit ones. Finally, it isn't an easy task for hardware engineers to get it pipelined properly... > > >PVB > >-- >-- > >Rafa. > >Alpha back to life. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 16 13:30:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F24716A401 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:30:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phil.brennan@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0797A43D4C for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:30:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phil.brennan@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id o1so118922nzf for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:30:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HubY1gmgavuTLyRHgfC0muzxb5ny9cwojTd7rwCefMcw5F+NKJBb84PHj5gIVDsMFFJjko9UyZ06cD5iiWQ8GtrLpBUpUo1whyLi/oilExvkblflH4kGsU/doI+gdsecmakQjW4XsOz1qwfhqYGu6F9WRhXowWwnA0/xU3C23CM= Received: by 10.36.224.31 with SMTP id w31mr203533nzg; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.68.12 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:30:30 +0100 From: "Phil Brennan" To: "Rafael Ruiz" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:30:31 -0000 Please read that article carefully. Note the use of "unless" before that paragraph, and "imaginary" afterwards. On 5/15/06, Rafael Ruiz wrote: > Hi! > In this paper says that Chinese military works on their own cloned Alpha = EV8 > / EV9 processors, and they running COSIX (Chinese Tru64 UNIX whose source > code Compaq gave to the China sometime ago, plus EV8 etc plans that might > have leaked out of the US). > > Please, see http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=3D4266 > > Rafa > > 2006/5/15, Paul V. Bolotoff : > > > > That's sad very much. However, the architecture may be revived sooner o= r > > later. The instruction set is free, and most original patents of DEC ar= e > > expired by this moment. Thanks to DEC, the architecture and its hardwar= e > > implementations are well-documented. There are open-source operating > > systems, compilers, assemblers and other development tools available, s= o > > it's a matter of time for some enterprise to pick everything up and blo= w a > > new life into the architecture. We'll see what we shall see. > > > > By the way, the Alpha processors have never had integer division > > implemented in hardware. Not a drawback though, because it's a relative= ly > > complicated instruction. It takes an advanced computational logic and d= ozens > > of cycles to complete execution anyway (about one bit per clock cycle).= To > > throw an example in, Athlon64-family processors can do that in 42 cycle= s for > > 32-bit operands or in 74 cycles for 64-bit ones. Finally, it isn't an e= asy > > task for hardware engineers to get it pipelined properly... > > > > PVB > > > > On Thu, 11 May 2006 14:24 , John Baldwin sent: > > > > >Alpha was the first non-x86 port that was added to FreeBSD, and as suc= h > > it has > > >greatly aided the efforts to keep FreeBSD from being too i386-centric. > > >However, recently the Alpha port has not had any active development or > > >maintenance. As a result, the quality of the Alpha releases that the > > Project > > >provides are not on par with other supported architectures and is in f= act > > >degrading. Unfortunately, as an architecture it has also been killed = by > > its > > >creator. > > > > > >After considering all of this, it is time to part with Alpha for 7.0 a= nd > > >beyond. At this time it is still planned to provide 6.x releases for > > >FreeBSD/alpha. The code will still be around in CVS history if someon= e > > >suddenly shows up and fixes a bunch of bugs and/or the architecture is > > >revived. Users with Alpha systems are welcome to use existing release= s > > of > > >FreeBSD/alpha or another BSD such as NetBSD/alpha. We would still lik= e > > to > > >see bug fixes for FreeBSD/alpha on 6.x so that the final release is > > solid. > > > > > >-- > > >John Baldwin jhb@FreeBSD.org> http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > > >"Power Users Use the Power to Serve" =3D http://www.FreeBSD.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-alpha-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " > > > > > > -- > -- > > Rafa. > Alpha back to life. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-alpha-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 16 23:15:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125A016A474; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:15:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: from ford.blinkenlights.nl (ford.blinkenlights.nl [213.204.211.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6444843D46; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:15:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: from tea.blinkenlights.nl (tea.blinkenlights.nl [192.168.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ford.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE88DBECD; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:15:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix, from userid 101) id 32542276; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:23:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E9121B; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:23:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:23:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Sten Spans To: John Baldwin In-Reply-To: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> Message-ID: References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:15:16 -0000 On Thu, 11 May 2006, John Baldwin wrote: > Alpha was the first non-x86 port that was added to FreeBSD, and as such it has > greatly aided the efforts to keep FreeBSD from being too i386-centric. > However, recently the Alpha port has not had any active development or > maintenance. As a result, the quality of the Alpha releases that the Project > provides are not on par with other supported architectures and is in fact > degrading. Unfortunately, as an architecture it has also been killed by its > creator. > > After considering all of this, it is time to part with Alpha for 7.0 and > beyond. At this time it is still planned to provide 6.x releases for > FreeBSD/alpha. The code will still be around in CVS history if someone > suddenly shows up and fixes a bunch of bugs and/or the architecture is > revived. Users with Alpha systems are welcome to use existing releases of > FreeBSD/alpha or another BSD such as NetBSD/alpha. We would still like to > see bug fixes for FreeBSD/alpha on 6.x so that the final release is solid. A backport of the if_em jumboframe changes would be nice for the last few alpha people with gigabit, although I'll probably will be able to backport it myself. /me wanders off, still looking for that elusive alphaserver ds15 :) -- Sten Spans "There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in." Leonard Cohen - Anthem From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 17 08:07:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2064916A400; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670D243D4C; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:07:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H873pS081113; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:07:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4H8722k051771; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:07:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k4H8723K051770; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:07:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:07:02 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Sten Spans Message-ID: <20060517080702.GA51740@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:07:09 -0000 On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 09:23:13AM +0200, Sten Spans wrote.. > On Thu, 11 May 2006, John Baldwin wrote: > > >Alpha was the first non-x86 port that was added to FreeBSD, and as such it > >has > >greatly aided the efforts to keep FreeBSD from being too i386-centric. > >However, recently the Alpha port has not had any active development or > >maintenance. As a result, the quality of the Alpha releases that the > >Project > >provides are not on par with other supported architectures and is in fact > >degrading. Unfortunately, as an architecture it has also been killed by > >its > >creator. > > > >After considering all of this, it is time to part with Alpha for 7.0 and > >beyond. At this time it is still planned to provide 6.x releases for > >FreeBSD/alpha. The code will still be around in CVS history if someone > >suddenly shows up and fixes a bunch of bugs and/or the architecture is > >revived. Users with Alpha systems are welcome to use existing releases of > >FreeBSD/alpha or another BSD such as NetBSD/alpha. We would still like to > >see bug fixes for FreeBSD/alpha on 6.x so that the final release is solid. > > A backport of the if_em jumboframe changes would be nice > for the last few alpha people with gigabit, although I'll > probably will be able to backport it myself. I'm more than happy to stick patches into RELENG_6. I don't think my GbE switch understands jumbo packets, but I do have em(4) cards in my Alpha as you know :) > /me wanders off, still looking for that elusive alphaserver ds15 :) Same here :-/ -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 17 15:47:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195F616A5A2 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 15:47:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from RICHARDLO@admin.athabascau.ca) Received: from devax.admin.athabascau.ca (devax.admin.athabascau.ca [131.232.5.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC2943D5F for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 15:47:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from RICHARDLO@admin.athabascau.ca) Received: from admin.athabascau.ca by admin.athabascau.ca (PMDF V5.1-12 #29292) id <01M2IVS4LBJC8YGLSB@admin.athabascau.ca> for alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:46:24 MST Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:46:23 -0700 (MST) From: Richard Loken In-reply-to: <20060517080702.GA51740@freebie.xs4all.nl> To: Wilko Bulte Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Please-Resend: yes Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:47:30 -0000 On Wed, 17 May 2006, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > /me wanders off, still looking for that elusive alphaserver ds15 :) > > Same here :-/ Well I have one but the company selfishly insists on running Tru64 5.1-B on it and letting the database people use it for development. Of course I am no better, I want to load it up with VMS and use it for my workstation... -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS : "Anybody can be a father Athabasca University : but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" ** richardlo@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 17 17:23:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A040316A7A4 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 17:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F3143D70 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 17:23:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HHM3rN045717; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:22:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4HHM24v053991; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:22:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k4HHM21s053990; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:22:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:22:02 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Richard Loken Message-ID: <20060517172202.GA53918@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20060517080702.GA51740@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:23:45 -0000 On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 09:46:23AM -0700, Richard Loken wrote.. > On Wed, 17 May 2006, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > /me wanders off, still looking for that elusive alphaserver ds15 :) > > > > Same here :-/ > > Well I have one but the company selfishly insists on running Tru64 5.1-B on > it and letting the database people use it for development. > > Of course I am no better, I want to load it up with VMS and use it for my > workstation... Sweet-talk to some FreeBSD developers, they might want to part with a DS10. There are quite some out there. DS15 is nicer OK, but still.. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 17 19:07:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C160A16B0E0 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:07:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: from ford.blinkenlights.nl (ford.blinkenlights.nl [213.204.211.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0024343D78 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:07:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: from tea.blinkenlights.nl (unknown [IPv6:2001:980:ffe:3:a00:20ff:fe85:fa39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ford.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D812BDBC; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:07:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix, from userid 101) id E1061276; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B3A21B; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:07:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Sten Spans To: Richard Loken In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:07:10 -0000 On Wed, 17 May 2006, Richard Loken wrote: > On Wed, 17 May 2006, Wilko Bulte wrote: > >>> /me wanders off, still looking for that elusive alphaserver ds15 :) >> >> Same here :-/ > > Well I have one but the company selfishly insists on running Tru64 5.1-B on > it and letting the database people use it for development. rigging up something with many blue leds sometimes works to convince them. > Of course I am no better, I want to load it up with VMS and use it for my > workstation... I think itanium suits vms much better :) -- Sten Spans "There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in." Leonard Cohen - Anthem From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 18 10:17:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D94016A406 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 10:17:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@infopuls.com) Received: from dachs.cyberlink.ch (dachs.cyberlink.ch [62.12.136.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179E643D46 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 10:17:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ulrich@infopuls.com) Received: (qmail 4040 invoked by uid 600); 18 May 2006 10:17:34 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.0.9 ppid: 4036, pid: 4037, t: 0.0132s scanners: regex: 1.0.9 clamav: 0.88/m:38/d:1467 Message-ID: <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> From: freebsd-alpha@infopuls.com To: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:17:34 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:17:45 -0000 Hi folks, a couple of weeks ago a professional FreeBSD supporter managed to bring my PWS500a up to work with 4.11 after many failing attempts by myself. Some of you may remember that I posted a few questions about this machine to this list. Since then I'm using the machine as server and I'm very happy with it. Of course, I regret that the Alpha branch is not continued in FreeBSD development because I intend to use this and some other Alpha boxes that I plan to buy for many years. I like the Alpha architecture and I got the impression that most of the higher level problems like seg-faults in Mozilla on Alpha are caused by dirty programming techniques or bugs in the C compiler related to 64 Bit addressing. Cleaning up such problems would result in better code for the other architectures also. Nevertheless: Thank you very much for FreeBSD/Alpha so far! Ulrich From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 19 08:26:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3199116A424; Fri, 19 May 2006 08:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail27.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail27.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FA743D48; Fri, 19 May 2006 08:26:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail27.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4J8QNfc012701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 19 May 2006 18:26:25 +1000 Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4J8QNRg001016; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:26:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k4J8QMJK001015; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:26:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:26:22 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: freebsd-alpha@infopuls.com Message-ID: <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Mail-Followup-To: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-alpha@infopuls.com, alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 08:26:29 -0000 On Thu, 2006-May-18 12:17:34 +0200, freebsd-alpha@infopuls.com wrote: >Of course, I regret that the Alpha branch is not continued in FreeBSD >development because I intend to use this and some other Alpha boxes that I >plan to buy for many years. As has been said elsewhere in this thread, I don't believe anyone is overjoyed at the axing of the Alpha branch. Unfortunately, given the demise of the architecture, enthusiasm for the Alpha has diminished to the point where it is holding back the FreeBSD project. I'll accept my share of the responsibility for this - neither of my Alphas are currently in working condition and I haven't been sufficiently motivated to repair them, as a result, I haven't been following the progress of FreeBSD/Alpha for about 18 months. AFAIK, FreeBSD/Alpha will continue to be supported for the life of the 6.x branch - at least another 3 years. After which, you can always run NetBSD on it. > I like the Alpha architecture and I got the >impression that most of the higher level problems like seg-faults in >Mozilla on Alpha are caused by dirty programming techniques or bugs in the >C compiler related to 64 Bit addressing. Cleaning up such problems would >result in better code for the other architectures also. Definitely. This is one reason why the Alpha branch wasn't axed in the past. However there are now several other 64-bit architectures so this is no longer a justification for maintaining the Alpha. The SPARC64 branch has the added bonus of being a big-endian architecture so it also detects cases where code assumes little-endian addressing. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 19 09:42:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA7D16A423; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:42:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652E243D45; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:42:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4J9ftkD026367; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:41:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4J9ftMp010651; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:41:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k4J9fsZr010650; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:41:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:41:54 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-alpha@infopuls.com, alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060519094154.GA10634@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:42:05 -0000 On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 06:26:22PM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote.. > On Thu, 2006-May-18 12:17:34 +0200, freebsd-alpha@infopuls.com wrote: > >Of course, I regret that the Alpha branch is not continued in FreeBSD > >development because I intend to use this and some other Alpha boxes that I > >plan to buy for many years. > > As has been said elsewhere in this thread, I don't believe anyone is > overjoyed at the axing of the Alpha branch. Unfortunately, given the > demise of the architecture, enthusiasm for the Alpha has diminished to > the point where it is holding back the FreeBSD project. I'll accept > my share of the responsibility for this - neither of my Alphas are > currently in working condition and I haven't been sufficiently > motivated to repair them, as a result, I haven't been following the > progress of FreeBSD/Alpha for about 18 months. > > AFAIK, FreeBSD/Alpha will continue to be supported for the life of the > 6.x branch - at least another 3 years. After which, you can always > run NetBSD on it. One thing that I have been pondering is that for Alpha you will now have to directly commit things onto RELENG_[56] without going to HEAD first. After all, there is no buildable Alpha support in HEAD anymore. I think this is a first in FreeBSD, which makes it interesting.. > past. However there are now several other 64-bit architectures so this > is no longer a justification for maintaining the Alpha. The SPARC64 Well.. if you just count the problems with unaligned accesses etc I wonder if SPARC64 fills that gap? I just don't know enough about SPARC64 here, mind you. > branch has the added bonus of being a big-endian architecture so it > also detects cases where code assumes little-endian addressing. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 19 11:15:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DFF16A41F; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B79343D46; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:15:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4JBFKGQ001413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 19 May 2006 21:15:21 +1000 Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JBFKPh001638; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:15:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k4JBFK1C001637; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:15:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:15:19 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Wilko Bulte Message-ID: <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20060519094154.GA10634@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060519094154.GA10634@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:15:35 -0000 [I've just realised that I broke my e-mail a few weeks ago and mutt has been helpfully and invisibly inserting a "Mail-Followup-To" line that includes an address that won't work. Thanks to Wilko for (inadvertently) drawing my attention to it and apologies for any bounces. I hope I've fixed it.] On Fri, 2006-May-19 11:41:54 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: >One thing that I have been pondering is that for Alpha you will now have to >directly commit things onto RELENG_[56] without going to HEAD first. > >After all, there is no buildable Alpha support in HEAD anymore. > >I think this is a first in FreeBSD, which makes it interesting.. There have been device drivers that have been lost in -current before so it not a totally novel concept but this is the first architecture to have been dropped. >Well.. if you just count the problems with unaligned accesses etc >I wonder if SPARC64 fills that gap? I just don't know enough about >SPARC64 here, mind you. SPARC definitely requires aligned accesses. I'm not sure what Sun did with the SPARC64. The other option is to set the "alignment checking" bit on i386. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 19 11:49:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DDD16A420 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joseph.koshy@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9D043D48 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:49:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joseph.koshy@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i31so506749wxd for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 04:49:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p6oF2bX6MR8VyghgvRnhiK0Pr9PuwUN8lmOXXKoezq9nRvp4ewUucp5XfRt6ljih/UpFgVOck6TvvDxNcTESrRm6GYvVABqe/dEAGjK/guI77J702iRFbDqHayS+jKIq/YnDOuHYx7yarVKRZDXgyCSdHzYHPD4Y94XgWzH0U2w= Received: by 10.70.109.19 with SMTP id h19mr1408067wxc; Fri, 19 May 2006 04:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.105.1 with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2006 04:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <84dead720605190449v27bfc32ar7b55fbd0bf74ff9c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:19:41 +0530 From: "Joseph Koshy" To: "Peter Jeremy" In-Reply-To: <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20060519094154.GA10634@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:49:43 -0000 > SPARC definitely requires aligned accesses. I'm not sure what Sun > did with the SPARC64. The other option is to set the "alignment > checking" bit on i386. The AC bit only works for privilege level 3 (userland code) on the i386. --=20 FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 19 12:21:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9A716A4A5; Fri, 19 May 2006 12:21:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237A543D69; Fri, 19 May 2006 12:21:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E82A2083; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:21:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: none X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEDE2082; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:21:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8000233CAD; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:21:40 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Peter Jeremy References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20060519094154.GA10634@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:21:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> (Peter Jeremy's message of "Fri, 19 May 2006 21:15:19 +1000") Message-ID: <8664k219yj.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:21:52 -0000 Peter Jeremy writes: > There have been device drivers that have been lost in -current before > so it not a totally novel concept but this is the first architecture > to have been dropped. There is at least one precedent: Sparc32. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 19 12:22:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C059816A444; Fri, 19 May 2006 12:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B4F43D5E; Fri, 19 May 2006 12:22:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911E92083; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:22:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: none X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E482082; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:22:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 71B3133CAD; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:22:44 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Peter Jeremy References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20060519094154.GA10634@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <8664k219yj.fsf@xps.des.no> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:22:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8664k219yj.fsf@xps.des.no> (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8r?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?grav's?= message of "Fri, 19 May 2006 14:21:40 +0200") Message-ID: <861wuq19wr.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:22:54 -0000 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) writes: > Peter Jeremy writes: > > There have been device drivers that have been lost in -current before > > so it not a totally novel concept but this is the first architecture > > to have been dropped. > There is at least one precedent: Sparc32. oh, and MIPS. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 19 12:24:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BB216A519; Fri, 19 May 2006 12:24:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4F543D79; Fri, 19 May 2006 12:24:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6508B2083; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:24:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: none X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B242082; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:24:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B1BF333CAD; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:24:40 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Peter Jeremy References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20060519094154.GA10634@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <8664k219yj.fsf@xps.des.no> <861wuq19wr.fsf@xps.des.no> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:24:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <861wuq19wr.fsf@xps.des.no> (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8r?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?grav's?= message of "Fri, 19 May 2006 14:22:44 +0200") Message-ID: <86wtciyzg7.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:25:00 -0000 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) writes: > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) writes: > > Peter Jeremy writes: > > > There have been device drivers that have been lost in -current before > > > so it not a totally novel concept but this is the first architecture > > > to have been dropped. > > There is at least one precedent: Sparc32. > oh, and MIPS. ...which doesn't really count because it was abandoned before any of the kernel bits hit the tree, IIRC. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 19 13:19:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AB716A466; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:19:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A3443D45; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:19:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JDJjhA025448; Fri, 19 May 2006 15:19:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4JDJj0d011531; Fri, 19 May 2006 15:19:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k4JDJjQ3011530; Fri, 19 May 2006 15:19:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:19:45 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20060519131944.GA11496@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20060519094154.GA10634@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <8664k219yj.fsf@xps.des.no> <861wuq19wr.fsf@xps.des.no> <86wtciyzg7.fsf@xps.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <86wtciyzg7.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Peter Jeremy , alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:19:53 -0000 On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 02:24:40PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote.. > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) writes: > > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) writes: > > > Peter Jeremy writes: > > > > There have been device drivers that have been lost in -current before > > > > so it not a totally novel concept but this is the first architecture > > > > to have been dropped. > > > There is at least one precedent: Sparc32. > > oh, and MIPS. > > ...which doesn't really count because it was abandoned before any of > the kernel bits hit the tree, IIRC. I'm also not too sure on sparc32 in that sense? -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 19 14:02:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9FE16A486; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:02:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC0943D49; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:02:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB4D2083; Fri, 19 May 2006 16:02:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: none X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4462082; Fri, 19 May 2006 16:02:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EF27833CAD; Fri, 19 May 2006 16:02:24 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Wilko Bulte References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20060519094154.GA10634@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <8664k219yj.fsf@xps.des.no> <861wuq19wr.fsf@xps.des.no> <86wtciyzg7.fsf@xps.des.no> <20060519131944.GA11496@freebie.xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:02:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060519131944.GA11496@freebie.xs4all.nl> (Wilko Bulte's message of "Fri, 19 May 2006 15:19:45 +0200") Message-ID: <86sln6yuxb.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Peter Jeremy , alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:02:30 -0000 Wilko Bulte writes: > I'm also not too sure on sparc32 in that sense? AFAIK, it was axed before 2.0, so it's not in the current CVS tree. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 19 14:05:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7710116A422; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:05:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75FF43D49; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:05:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JE5Ybn008072; Fri, 19 May 2006 16:05:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4JE5Y4s011831; Fri, 19 May 2006 16:05:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k4JE5Ygm011830; Fri, 19 May 2006 16:05:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:05:34 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20060519140534.GA11813@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20060519094154.GA10634@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <8664k219yj.fsf@xps.des.no> <861wuq19wr.fsf@xps.des.no> <86wtciyzg7.fsf@xps.des.no> <20060519131944.GA11496@freebie.xs4all.nl> <86sln6yuxb.fsf@xps.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86sln6yuxb.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Peter Jeremy , alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:05:47 -0000 On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 04:02:24PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote.. > Wilko Bulte writes: > > I'm also not too sure on sparc32 in that sense? > > AFAIK, it was axed before 2.0, so it's not in the current CVS tree. Ah, ok.. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 19 16:54:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C25916A421; Fri, 19 May 2006 16:54:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (gate.funkthat.com [69.17.45.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA9443D46; Fri, 19 May 2006 16:54:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (dj8gog4u3uhfeki2@localhost.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4JGrt8v003919; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.4/8.13.3/Submit) id k4JGrrlm003918; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:53:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:53:53 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Peter Jeremy Message-ID: <20060519165353.GA770@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Peter Jeremy , Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@infopuls.com, alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org References: <200605111424.04935.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060518101734.4036.qmail@dachs.cyberlink.ch> <20060519082621.GA736@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20060519094154.GA10634@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060519111519.GA1587@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p6 i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP: Alpha support is being retired in 7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:54:02 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote this message on Fri, May 19, 2006 at 21:15 +1000: > >Well.. if you just count the problems with unaligned accesses etc > >I wonder if SPARC64 fills that gap? I just don't know enough about > >SPARC64 here, mind you. > > SPARC definitely requires aligned accesses. I'm not sure what Sun > did with the SPARC64. The other option is to set the "alignment > checking" bit on i386. We also now have arm and ppc that help fill the aligned access requirements.. And I've done a bit of work with arm to try to make our IP stack more friendly to alignment required machines, and ethernet cards that can't handle special alignment... -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 20 09:55:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED82B16A41F for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 09:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from preo@freemail.hu) Received: from fmx05.freemail.hu (fmx05.freemail.hu [195.228.245.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E8FF43D45 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 09:55:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from preo@freemail.hu) Received: (qmail 50139 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 11:55:42 +0200 Received: from fm06.freemail.hu (195.228.245.106) by fmx05.freemail.hu with SMTP; 20 May 2006 11:55:41 +0200 Received: (qmail 68533 invoked by uid 4418688); 20 May 2006 11:55:42 +0200 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:55:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Pre- O-- To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [157.181.165.241] X-HTTP-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; hu-HU; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050717 Firefox/1.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Freemail: message scanned Subject: Alpha again X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:55:45 -0000 Hi All, Thanks for your fast answers regarding to the Linux emulation under FreeBSD/Alpha. The linux_base-gentoo-stage1 port is truly the best solution right now. It's up-to date and usable. The only problem I faced was when I installed compaq-cc. The Makefile checks for the file /compat/linux/etc/redhat-release, which is not created by the gentoo script. By creating an empty file does the job. Although I still have some problems with the installation of compaq-cc. It says that the sys/cdefs.h library is needed, but it could not be found. Do you have any idea why is this? I have attached the error message to the end of the document. Do any of you have any experience how does the SMP feature work for FreeBSD/Alpha. How well can the system handle such kind of problems? I have an AS4100. I would also like to optimize the system for better performance (I find it a little too slow). For this what can you advice to change in the kernel (except the things that are in the Handbook). By the default 6.1 install I get these error messages: open /dev/ttyv0: No such file or directory open /dev/ttyv1: No such file or directory open /dev/ttyv2: No such file or directory open /dev/ttyv3: No such file or directory open /dev/ttyv4: No such file or directory open /dev/ttyv5: No such file or directory open /dev/ttyv6: No such file or directory open /dev/ttyv7: No such file or directory Why these files haven't been created? How can I recreate them? A final question. At the SRM console (I have the latest firmware installed) when setting the default boot device I get this error: P00>>>set bootdef_dev dka200 could not store bootdef_dev, NVRAM full Thanks. compaq-cc error message: … /bin/rm //usr/lib/libots.so /bin/rm //usr/lib/libcpml.so cd /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/work =20 ; ccc -c /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/files/*.c =20 ; ar vq /usr/lib/compaq/cpml-5.1.0/libcpml_ev5.a *.o /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/files/errno_location.c: /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/files/ieee_fp_control.c: cc: Error: /usr/include/machine/_types.h, line 43: #error this file needs sys/cdefs.h as a prerequisite (errormessage) #error this file needs sys/cdefs.h as a prerequisite -^ cc: Error: /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/files/ieee_fp_control.c, line 40: Missing ";". (nosemi) __ieee_get_fp_control(void) ^ cc: Error: /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/files/ieee_fp_control.c, line 46: In this parameter list, "u_int64_t" must either be a type or must be followed by a ",". (badparseparam) __ieee_set_fp_control(u_int64_t fpc) ----------------------^ cc: Error: /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 136: In this declaration, "__dev_t" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 87 in file /usr/include/sys/_types.h. (nolinkage) __STD_TYPE __DEV_T_TYPE __dev_t; /* Type of device numbers. */ ------------------------^ cc: Error: /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 141: In this declaration, "__mode_t" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 49 in file /usr/include/sys/_types.h. (nolinkage) __STD_TYPE __MODE_T_TYPE __mode_t; /* Type of file attribute bitmasks. */ -------------------------^ cc: Error: /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 142: In this declaration, "__nlink_t" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 51 in file /usr/include/sys/_types.h. (nolinkage) __STD_TYPE __NLINK_T_TYPE __nlink_t; /* Type of file link counts. */ --------------------------^ cc: Error: /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 147: In this declaration, "__clock_t" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 61 in file /usr/include/machine/_types.h. (nolinkage) __STD_TYPE __CLOCK_T_TYPE __clock_t; /* Type of CPU usage counts. */ --------------------------^ cc: Error: /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 148: In this declaration, "__rlim_t" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 54 in file /usr/include/sys/_types.h. (nolinkage) __STD_TYPE __RLIM_T_TYPE __rlim_t; /* Type for resource measurement. */ -------------------------^ cc: Error: /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 150: In this declaration, "__id_t" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 45 in file /usr/include/sys/_types.h. (nolinkage) __STD_TYPE __ID_T_TYPE __id_t; /* General type for IDs. */ -----------------------^ cc: Error: /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 151: In this declaration, "__time_t" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 82 in file /usr/include/machine/_types.h. (nolinkage) __STD_TYPE __TIME_T_TYPE __time_t; /* Seconds since the Epoch. */ -------------------------^ cc: Error: /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 157: In this declaration, "__key_t" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 47 in file /usr/include/sys/_types.h. (nolinkage) __STD_TYPE __KEY_T_TYPE __key_t; /* Type of an IPC key. */ ------------------------^ cc: Error: /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 171: In this declaration, "__blkcnt_t" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 39 in file /usr/include/sys/_types.h. (nolinkage) __STD_TYPE __BLKCNT_T_TYPE __blkcnt_t; ---------------------------^ cc: Error: /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 175: In this declaration, "__fsblkcnt_t" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 42 in file /usr/include/sys/_types.h. (nolinkage) __STD_TYPE __FSBLKCNT_T_TYPE __fsblkcnt_t; -----------------------------^ cc: Error: /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 179: In this declaration, "__fsfilcnt_t" has no linkage and has a prior declaration in this scope at line number 43 in file /usr/include/sys/_types.h. (nolinkage) __STD_TYPE __FSFILCNT_T_TYPE __fsfilcnt_t; -----------------------------^ *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc.=0A=0A___________________________________= ____________________________________________=0AIngyen filmn=E9z=E9s ak=E1r = 72 =F3r=E1n =E1t! http://teka.t-online.hu=0A=0A